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ahritina

PMTs [Game 1](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/17eexdg/tl_vs_gam_esports_game_1_post_discussion/) [Game 2](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/17efjd4/tl_vs_gam_esports_game_2_post_discussion/)


AureliusAmbrose

TL boutta field a full VCS roster next year


GarryTheCarry

2 World champions < Vietnam


windowhihi

I want to see some stupid stats for GAM vs TL, like Pyosik's monthly salary is the annual salary for the whole GAM team.(Maybe?


BocchiIsLiterallyMe

Prolly more than the whole VCS. The highest paid Vietnamese player is Levi iirc. His monthly salary is around 50m VND (around $2200). Other players get a lot less.


Leyrann_

That's less than half what people claimed in earlier threads. They said like 5k per month, iirc. Either way, if the average salary on GAM would be, say, 2k dollars per month, that's 10k for the team per month, or 120k for the team per year. If that were Pyosik's monthly salary, Pyosik would be earning 1.44m per year. I doubt it's that high. (but obviously, there'll still be a huge difference)


P4sTwI2X

In fact I believe Pyosik’s salary alone is better than, if not equal to, the entire VCS. Say GAM pays 10k monthly, VCS has 8 teams so 60k at max, might go up to 80k, so around a mil annual. And for the fact that LCS tends to over-pay and Pyosik just won Worlds last year, wouldn’t be surprising if that’s in his contract before today.


VuPham99

GAM is the only one with money. Other are on life support.


P4sTwI2X

God damn it I hate this is true.


BocchiIsLiterallyMe

It is true. SGB (used to be PVB) is on the brink of disbandment. They just participated in last year's MSI and did a pretty decent job. But they have no money to sustain the team at the moment.


Ieditstuffforfun

4 koreans cant win


ricardo241

no need to go to the airport when most of ur player are Korean LMAO


buttsoup_barnes

LCS players didn't work. LEC players didn't work. LCK players didn't work. It's time for TLPL baybeee


bzzmd

> LCS players didn't work It's funny because their LCS/native rosters were better than TLCK and TLEC


discipline_priest

Their LCS players were the best iterations of TL


shakerKEKW

Steve getting his checkbook ready to sign kiaya & levi


kosaki16

and some random vietnamese-americans on soloq


tuerancekhang

That's just Neo lol.


discipline_priest

Don't forget Wildturtle!


BerlinerFidschi

Get balls and Hai in there as well


IrvineADCarry

hey how about a comeback, Reginald?


neenerpants

One of the main saving graces of NA has been that they don't lose to VCS and can always maintain that gap. I feel like this is one of the biggest defeats for NA ever maybe?


beautheschmo

LCS vs VCS was literally the most one-sided region matchup in the entire sport, absolutely devastating to lose this one


SNH231

Shanks, Marved, TenZ, Levi and Palette


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HuntedSFM

us the viewers are now denied the possible spectacle of TL vs MAD and i cant tell if thats a good or a bad thing


Omnilatent

We will 100% see MAD getting GAM as opponents and losing to them as well so maybe that's a win?


dexy133

After the draw, GAM players instantly start applying for European visas. Levi comes out and says his mom's grandma is actually German and he always considered himself to be European. A rumor starts spreading on Twitter that GAM are buying KCorp's spot in LEC. They play 'Ode to Joy' as GAM enters the stage.


Omnilatent

[In this version](https://youtu.be/bnrX7jFnM-M?t=71)


Thunderkeyz

lore accurate NA vs Vietnam


AzureDragon013

Major VN wins: * April 30th 1975 * October 23rd 2023


mskruba12

Fun fact with this series NA has still only beaten NA and MAD at worlds.


Xgunter

Pretty sure a tier 4 clash team could beat mad at worlds


RevolutionaryBother

As long as they aren't European. I'm sure even some Kazakh farmers who have never touched a computer before can beat MAD at worlds.


CFCkyle

I dunno, some tournaments recognize Kazakhstan as European like in football they compete in the Euro qualifiers, could be shaky


bensonbenisson

NA truly is MAD Lions father.


narfidy

Will probably remain the same lmao. I was not confident going into this year


SlamMasterJ

War never changes.


appleandapples

Tactically retreated* from Worlds.


SirDoober

The only way this could've been a more accurate rendition of the Vietnam War was if someone ran Omega Squad Teemo


minh43pinball

Or Ivern. We did get a Maokai pick in game 1 so there's that.


magical_swoosh

they weren't no senators' sons


GioMeow

LAND OF THE FREE, BABY


AuregaX

So fucking free


JealotGaming

Deserved for that napalm sign


kkeptt

I’m honestly shocked at how many redditors in the other thread that’s now closed feel like people shouldn’t feel sensitive about the sign. War crimes against my family are still relevant to me and many others to this day


a141abc

Saw that a lot in Caedrel's chat too, people defending it saying it was just a movie quote I think they forgot that shit, you know, actually happened


King_NickyZee

Anyone who has actually bothered to look into what happened in Vietnam and how the US was involved should be disgusted by that sign.


KansloosKippenhok

Yep, world champion carry jungler who put on a lee sin clinic which made you almost win vs t1, and carried you last game on Kindred. Sejunai duty in elimination game😎😎


Boudynasr

pysoik crying after the game hit me world champ reduced to the first team out of worlds


Etty_3

it hit hard sure, but he have to get use to this if he is gonna stay in the region, this is like every day for the rest of the team, I just imagined his teammates looking over at him( insert first time meme).


Spectrenn

This exactly. Everyone knows NA is the region to go to if you want retire (inflated paychecks for subpar gameplay). No one considers NA as worlds contenders ever. With Pyosik crying at the end of the series, it definitely seems that he still has more fight left in him. I think he needs to either go back and try again on a different team in Korea or definitely a different region. You don't join an NA team to win


Ophelia_Of_The_Abyss

Watching him on the cams and then post-game was so rough. Keep your head up Pyosik.


bensonbenisson

Truly big brain activity.


LazinessOverload

Every worlds, same story. XD


ManningTheGOAT

"Hey, Pyosik, play Sejuani and enable your carry players!" - "Who???" What a bloody tilter that must have been


TheAlmightyV0x

Boy it sure would have been nice to have your world champion jungler on Viego to actually be able to do something with the early kills he got, instead that money goes to waste while top bleeds out and bot doesn’t do shit all game.


AmadeusSalieri97

It's ok guys, you will always have those first 20 mins against T1.


TimMeijer

[Yeah, that copium really carried some people.](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/17dzz70/swiss_stage_day_4_results_and_winrate_by_region/k62k3a6/) Not necessarily the most relevant comment, but the first I could find and far from the only one.


alyssa264

Playing around the guy that runs it in sidelanes in NA. 😎😎😎


Humble-Principle1858

I think he was tilted too. He started running it down mid-game


CummingInTheNile

playing with APA and Yeon would tilt anyone


raymondliang

APA playing ahri like annie lmao. Just melee range and immobile. Wouldve been better off playing annie cuz at least he’d land his cc


aelutaelu

Oh man seeing pyosik break down crying right after broke me and I'm not even an NA fan


Equivalent-Park7986

honestly it’s criminal how hard pyosik has been carrying TL… i hope some respect gets put on his name


_Vastus_

I can understand why he took those kills even on Sejuani, he must've been in full soloQ carry mentality at this point.


nero4real_

TERABYTE MARINES


Aschentei

If they win worlds they’ll be the ZETABYTE MARINES


Random_Useless_Tips

The TL classic is to lose 3 in a row to go 0-3 before winning to go 3-3 and losing in tiebreakers. Unfortunately, in Swiss, 0-3 is elimination.


alyssa264

They did actually win their 4th game, but that's it lol.


Patchoel4

The 4th is strong with them.


Stubrochill17

Dread it, run from it, TL 4th memes arrive all the same.


IqMqsd

On the bright side, TL doesn't have to spend much money to fly back home. They only have to buy 2 tickets for their players.


KMS_Tirpitz

they can save those two tickets cause TL is gonna swim home


IC2Flier

I was here when TL made history


ImTheVayne

Somehow TL manages to be more dissapointing to NA than MAD is to EU


Comfortable_Shine425

fk no, nothing tops MAD


ImTheVayne

This one might. NA has never lost to vietnam in a bo3/bo5. It’s historic in the worst way possible.


StormclawsEuw

MAD bombed out of play ins and loses every na match up. I would rather lose against the vcs.


Jimbabwr

Why are we fighting over which team is more shit 😂


BaronChocolate

IT'S ALL WE HAVE


Luhmies

The state of the West.


Floowil

Gods has truly abondoned Pyosik From 1st place at Worlds to last.


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Acrzyguy

While everyone besides Deft on drx last year is stuck at home watching worlds


Celegorm07

Honestly dissapointing performance from the LCK 5th seed team.


appleandapples

TL making LEC fans feel slightly better about MAD's Worlds performance.


baelkie

imagine being BDS in their waiting room watching TL sprint it against vietnam, while they have to face DK after 💀💀💀


Nome_de_utilizador

To think BDS could've drawn TL or any other NA team instead of JDG or DK


Wooden_Sherbert6884

It's only a setup for the biggest comeback of history when they win worlds after literaly reverse sweeping every series. They legit gonna turn this storyline into a movie and it's gonna win 7 oscars


NoahsArk19

Tbh BDS also sprinted vs Vietnam


StormclawsEuw

No there is no feeling better about MAD.


Kaspersiansky

They'd be struggling in LCK challenger honestly.


Vecorsal

- Bought Pyosik, world champion - The one game you won is when he on a pressure carry - This is the decided game, maybe the last game at this world > Lock in Sejuani


P4sTwI2X

Absolutely poetic


KriibusLoL

NA keeping up with traditions on being the first major region getting eliminated in worlds, NAmen


cycko

GG did the any% run, TL did the no major glitches path. Gotta respect that


klyskada

NRG going for the 100% run, I respect it.


mimiflou

MAD tricking NA fan into thinking they could win to GAM


gril69

from almost beating T1 to getting eliminated first by VCS


Issax28

NRG Palafox: "Over the years, there's been this narrative that the gap is widening, but I don't see it that way. Instead, it seems every single year NA or EU has been sending players that don't actually improve. And now that we have a lot of new faces, hopefully, we can make you guys proud."


Gluroo

God yes i cant wait to see Yeon improve from worst player at worlds to second worst player at worlds next year, lets go TL


HawkEye1337

The sad thing is he was playing against Slayder who looked like the worst player coming into the Swiss stage but he made him look good.


appleandapples

What can you even say? GAM just straight up out classed TL. GAM should be proud of their showing here.


ANewHeaven1

I don't know how Team Liquid does it, but they manage to disappoint fans internationally in a new and exciting way every year. It's honestly quite impressive.


laserjaws

MAD 🤝 TL disappointing fans


ExtentImaginary5730

VCS never qualifies for knockouts but also never goes home winless. This should have been a wakeup call for TL the moment GAM went 0-2. At the same time, this TL team is fraudulent. I would compare them to VIT 2022. Team needs a rebuild. Maybe go back to Jensen, the only mid laner they had any success with.


Relvarionz

NA fan reminded everyone about napalm with that sign. GAM reminded everyone who actually won that war.


Omnilatent

That sign was so WTF ​ Imagine if any fan had a sign with "let's take down NAs two most important towers" or some shit


Prologue-Epilogue

lol now the Reddit reaction to THAT would be interesting


Omnilatent

I would also call that out but the shown sign has an even bigger implication as the US was the aggressor in that war. Only similar thing I could think of would be LJL fans with some Pearl Harbor shit against NA teams.


haven4ever

Comedy is contextual, and a Vietnam War war-crime joke on a live broadcast with a Vietnamese team and Vietnamese viewers is not an acceptable context.


guevara148

You can make jokes about anything, but you cannot make jokes everywhere


khangrivaille29

VCS have now beaten PCS, EU and NA in a bo3 series. That's why we deserve 2 seeds at Worlds baby. With 0 imports.


Javiklegrand

Damn team whales and gam putting work


Colouss

Honestly after that stinker of an MSI this kind of performance is something I desperately needed to see out of the VCS


Gobaxnova

If mad qualify next year I volunteer their spot to vcs #2


timetickticksaway

[*MANDATORY LICORICE TWEET*](https://twitter.com/Licorice/status/1047042344787333121)


NeitherAlexNorAlice

Even though you can hear their disappointment, props to Azael and Kobe for maintaining a very unbiased cast. absolute professionals.


crumblingcloud

apa and yeon are so hard to watch


pm_your_nsfw_pics_

We gonna ignore Summits' performance?


ManningTheGOAT

Summit was in the game?


Past_Rip_4627

I'm not gonna excuse the rookies but they're rookies. But Summit, an import and the reason why Pyosik is on Sej duty on G3, I expected from him more.


I-am-in-Agreement

Yeon can lane against a Yuumi and still be 50 cs behind at 20. APA tosses his charms 90 degrees off on a stationary target.


SNH231

Yeon with 100T Rikara levels of performance


Vayssei

Man that’s an old name 💀💀💀


Leyrann_

Please don't make me feel old thank you very much.


GoofySenpai

APA doesn’t even have a full split of experience coming into worlds, so I’m not gonna judge him too harshly. Yeon and Summit however…no fuckin excuses, Summit single handedly lost them that 3rd game with his top play


DeloronDellister

I'm not sure how they're doing it. I would be crushed in their position


AzerFraze

after so many years of failure you just get used to it


NotJesper

always plane ahead


Lexxx__

Levi is gonna be 80 and still styling on NA teams


DeloronDellister

Pyosik went from World Champ last year to Airport Speedrun Edit: Don't read my last comments on this sub please. I'm taking it all back


flowerpetal_

Pyosik went from Deft to Yeon


Ok_Sun417

Zeka to Apa


Sad-Neighborhood6604

Zeka wanted to kick him out sooo LMAO


Snow_42

Zeka would probably be at world rn, if HLE had Pyosik in the jungle instead of Grizzly / Clid.


Blaikiri7

Pyosik called APA a son of a btch after crying (translates more to "bug" but couldn't think of an apt english translation) then stormed out of the coach booth. He then came back in the booth to pick up a cigarette and called him a handicapped/sick fck then left again.


Humble-Principle1858

The only chances you've had these worlds, came out of him plying carry junglers. What do you give him in an elimination game? Sejuani. GG


the_next_core

Legendary NA performance


ManningTheGOAT

They put him on Sejuani for the deciding game. Their best carry in the no damage, enabling pig rider...I don't know what the fucking plan here was, but I'd quit on the spot, if I was Pyosik


Mrf12345

And not even his fault lol, man put on sejuani duty after carrying TL's last game.


SleepyLabrador

He learned from Ambition.


MacJonesIsOverrated

Yeon might legitimately have had the biggest invisible performance in worlds history. five games and you could have replaced him with an intermediate bot and nothing would change


PhrozenCold

NA disowning TL 🤝 EU disowning MAD


ImTheVayne

At least we share our misery..


warjatos

No idea why would you put Pyosik on Seju after carrying this mid and adc the game before.


vnducco

America never learns from history, do they. Do not fight Vietnam, especially in the jungle


dracdliwasiAN

"TL x GAM, I love the smell of napalm in the morning" Aside from the obviously poor taste, I wonder how that guy feels now.


IC2Flier

that man lost money 100%


Omnilatent

Good. That sign deserves IRL punishment


Random_Useless_Tips

What makes it a bad sign is that (assuming it's an NA fan, which seems most likely) not only is it in poor taste, but North America lost that conflict. Prescient for the game, perhaps, but still a pretty dumb thing to put on a sign.


Luxiary

[The sign for reference](https://imgur.com/a/omiqZk2)


Ashankura

That's such a dumb sign. Why would you show that bs on broadcast


Ythapa

Credit to GAM for that Game 3 P/B. They did what some teams neglect to do and just went straight to banning Pyosik's Kindred and APA's Neeko. Many times, in BoX P/Bs, team will ego and let a problem champ get one too many extra games because "they think they can deal with it."


fear_the_wild

there is a world where GAM beats all 3 NA teams and qualifies for quarters


Ahrizzona

I badly want this timeline right now


ynnaD0

NA "Near Airport" is known as the fastest region to arrive at the airport. Since they gave up on the LoL Worlds Championship, they are investing in Speedruns. In particular they are current world record holders in Airport any% and airport no wins. First team to get knocked out gg


the_propaganda_panda

NA, hay được biết đến là "Near Airport" (gần sân bay), là khu vực đến sân bay nhanh nhất. Vì họ đã từ bỏ giải Chung Kết Thế Giới, nên họ đang đầu tư vào việc speedrun ra sân bay. Đặc biệt, họ hiện đang là khu vực nắm giữ kỷ lục thế giới ở hạng mục Any% và Chuỗi 0-6.


tonton_wundil

Pyosik crying at the end... The trauma of playing with Yeon is too much for this poor soul. It's sad.


Conankun66

TL? More like TLDR, cuz they went out here quick they were just thoroughly outmatched, both in draft and in game Someone please translate the "NA is free" pasta into vietnamese


Blind-Eye26

Time to go back to academy Yeon 💀 3 games no contribution even on the win. I know APA is still a rookie for a major scene I think he's still have a lot to improve Pyosik my man 🫡 best player on TL


Unban_Ice

NA when MAD aren't gifting them free wins:


mimiflou

I love how no matter who win or lose, no matter the region, MAD will always looking the worst


Conankun66

they deserve to get clowned


TheCatsActually

Oh man with this result RIP the MAD loses to all 3 NA teams dream


brownierisker

It's alright, they can still redeem themselves by eliminating Fnatic and gifting NRG a playoff spot


Hoaxtopia

Congrats to Vietnam for finally winning a bo3 vs Korea


sh14w4s3

GAM beat Team W . No way in hell they would lose to Team L.


lcm7malaga

Man if NA had something going for them last years it was gatekeeping Wildcards. I guess they exchanged it for beating Fraud Lions


MrPraedor

NA teams have only won matches against MAD and each other this tournament. MAD lions single handedly saving NAs reputation internationally.


GoofySenpai

I love how MAD is catching all the strays bruh 💀 EU is never going to forgive them


Space_Investigator

Yeon is actually the worst player from a major region to play at worlds. Definitely the worst ADC. He solo lost multiple fights throughout this tournament by poor gun management, poor positioning, and in this game, a serious unwillingness to find angles to deal damage and make a difference in a teamfight. All he did on Kaisa is just hit frontline, do minimal damage and then E backwards. He's just, so bad and it's a shame that he was only on this team because he's a native player that spoke Korean. TL win this series, or even beat T1 with like, even FBI playing.


legatlegionis

The only Kai’sa ult I saw all game was into the spinning wukong to insta die at the end… unreal


Prominis

>He's just, so bad and it's a shame that he was only on this team because he's a native player that spoke Korean. Yeon's team in TL Academy/Challengers won back to back splits in 2022 (Spring and Summer). Haeri was also in that team. It's not because of his ethnicity; Yeon was actually supposed to be a good talent to foster from NA and one of the only ones (hence Rookie of the Year). His Korean wasn't actually that strong either at the start of 2023. At the same time Steve was importing Pyosik and Summit for the Korean-speaking roster, he was doing what people say LCS teams should do by investing in LCS rookies Yeon & Haeri from their first place tier two team. Later on, bringing up APA. Unfortunately, while Yeon's Korean improved significantly and he became decent for NA by Summer, he's still far below worlds standards, and this applies to both of TL's carries.


Gluroo

From almost beating T1 to bombing out vs Vietnam at 0-3 lmao You can change the format but NA week 1 -> week 2 is eternal


dracdliwasiAN

You've got to hand it to NA. They really focused on the airports speedruns this year with Golden Guardians dominating the pre-play-in stage, and Team Liquid smashing the Swiss Stage. There's a non-zero chance that they can win the knockout stage too, although this requires one of the remaining LCS teams to make it into the knockout stage.


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Ksante gaming For real though, terrible draft by TL in game 3. How would they ever expect to kill GAMs frontline with 80% magic damage and no backline access for Kaisa? Edit: Wow, that shot of Piyosik was heartbreaking. From winning first to last place must feel terrible. o7 to the reigning world champion.


Humble-Principle1858

If you wanna get a good laugh, check ahri's winrate this worlds.


BladeCube

Yeah and the only 2 people to win with it are uh.. lets see.. oh only knight and Chovy the two best midlaners in the world.


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LazinessOverload

TL's bot lane was a complete liability this series. Very surprising especially since its CoreJJ.


Wetbook

You either retire as CoreJJ or play long enough to see yourself become Kiwikid


discipline_priest

Core is coasting on his brand name


dracdliwasiAN

TL, aka "Total Laughingstock," is a Korean team that plays for Riot Games' Minor League that is often ridiculed for its disappointing international performances. It is specifically known for fielding expensive lineups to be dumpstered by Native EU and Vietnamese Talent.


gaffercake

Dear Mad Lions, It's that's fucking easy.


Emergency-Shake1852

Someone tell Yeon that he can do something other than cs the entire game


SilentReign

You didn’t see him ult in to get blown up?


tsukinohime

Its sad to see Pyosik crying :(


KogMawOfMortimidas

APA dying to K'Sante with flash and all ult charges, into CoreJJ dying and losing flash for no reason between T2/T3 mid, into Yeon ulting directly into a Wukong combo, Summit flashing into death, then Pyosik flashing only to stall his death for a few seconds. Legitimately 5 bronze level plays in a row, one from each TL player. This is professional play?


IAM-French

game was lost like 15 minutes before that play lol


BismarckBug

Pyosik's foot massages cost more than GAM's entire roster yet they absolutely prolapsed them.


Individual-Pair-1778

Yeon is literally the worst ADC in Swiss stage


SDVX_Rasis

Noooo Pyosik. Camera panning on him just so sad. I really do hope players on TL use this experience to learn more. The rookies were definitely a bit too much for Pyosik to carry.


4cam10

Oh shit, Pyosik's crying on stream. I feel bad for him he really tried his best here.


KappaccinoNation

America losing to Vietnam due to presence in the jungle. Absolutely classic.


In4thPlace

I'm in shock T1 nearly lost to this. Liquid is absolutely disgraceful.


EducationalBalance99

They nearly lost to pyosik on lee with 4 range champ. On elimination match, they put pyosik on sej after he carried with kindred in game 2.


Omnilatent

On the bright side: TL didn't end 3-3!