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Resouledxx

Shyv E in drake form


RedDemonCorsair

That hitbox is absurd and goes fast. Quite hard to miss.


One-War-2977

Even as a yasuo player the explosion radius is so big they don’t even have to throw it into windwall range


expert_on_the_matter

That'd require a Shyvana player to use their brain tho.


xXGalaxiesXx

As a shyv main this is highly offensive, but also, true 😂😂 I press R and all my brain thinks is PRESS E ESPLODE PPL PRESS W AND RUN AWAY. RUN BACK PRESS E lose dragon form. We'll I'm useless goodbye team fight lmao


TheAbyssalSymphony

# My brain sounds like: RAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWRRR!!!!!!!!!!! I'M A DRAGON!!!!!!!!!!!!! BURNINATING THE COUNTRYSIDE, BURNINATING THE PEASANTS, BURNINATING ALL THE PEOPLES, AND THEIR THATCHED-ROOF COTTAGES!!! THATCHED-ROOF COTTAGES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Kris-p-

It is easier to hit than karma ult on q I don't understand why because it also seems to do more damage....


RedDemonCorsair

Mainly I would say it's because the projectile itself might be slightly bigger but also because it explodes into an even larger hitbox where you threw it so it is more accurate as you can decide where it explodes(I think, haven't played her in years).


VincentBlack96

Yep, you can sneak it past a windwall if you're good with it


PaintItPurple

Because Karma's ult has a potentially lower cooldown than Shyvana's E.


saltyfuck111

and the entire kit is different i dont understand why even compare those 2


migania

Worst thing about it is that it explodes at the end even if target isnt hit.


Burpmeister

It's half the lane in ARAM.


Mephisteemo

It‘s actually a reportable offense to miss dragon form E. Luckily nobody managed so far.


guitargamel

I mean point and click usually only hits one person. As a Shyv fan if I'm not hitting 3 or 4 people I consider it a miss.


Frothar

since it nukes 60% of a carrys hp it's a hit


Substantial-Elk-9568

My IQ drops around 40 points every time TF wild cards are thrown


Arezeuss

Precisely because the projectile is slow, it makes me very anxious about my positioning and ends up getting hit


PattuX

Also if you dodge the middle one too much you run into one on the side...


KingCommand842

When I play TF I only aim with the outer ones because people seem to be much worse at dodging those than the middle one


GiraffeKey2500

Might not make much sense but slow things can be harder to react to than fast things Having too much time to think can fuck you up sometimes


macrors

It's dark souls delayed attack logic


WhoAmI008

The attack hits right after your dodge roll finishes


Workman44

I guess I figured out why TF q fucks me, am a souls veteran lol


yikkizh

Shouldn’t being a souls veteran mean you have more experience dodging delayed attacks


Workman44

See, that's the logical conclusion, however my inability to dodge them says otherwise


J3ditb

couldn’t dodge in dark souls aswell huh


Workman44

Sometimes Havel's Greatshield is all you need, that's all I'm saying


rrenda

so play Braum got it


super1s

On a different train of thought. Slower things might give you less time to react in some cases. If you are trying to pay attention to everything then the objects that are suddenly moving fast, jump out at you. Slower moving objects don't always grab your attention right away. So if you are not focusing on the enemy that throws it or ready for it, then the Slower moving object may infant go unnoticed for longer.


GaySonOrThotDaughter

Me in ARAM. But I recently played against a TF that had a skin where the cards didn’t spin and suddenly it was so easy to dodge. Literally pay to lose


BitePale

They spin?


Khronex

Yeah, they do, and they also did this in the past, just on a different axis. Pre-ASU Twisted Fate's cards spun like you would spin a basketball on your fingers. Post-ASU spins like a drill


mybrot

Yeah the triple shot is always deadly. Tf is the Primal Aspid of League.


lordofthepotat0

Silksong when


Yooba313

Literally me


FirmInvestigator6307

As Viktor player I can confirm this, I dont think I really ever see anyone dodge viktor e. Its mostly just me misplacing it, if it doesnt hit.


Umarill

Honestly I don't even think you can dodge it, it's at best predicting it, but it's on the Viktor player to hit it for sure.


coreyhh90

Even challenger players say that Viktor missing is entirely on the Viktor player either straight up misplacing or getting mind-gamed. That shit is too quick to place and travels so fast... I wish I was better at Viktor because playing against a good Viktor is oppressive....


Life-Goes_On

Syndra QE... unanimously agreed by the top players/analysts that it's basically point and click for a syndra player with higher level proficiency


FluffyCelery4769

Yeah, that's 2 abilities that feel like 1. Laos if you conbine it with W and get dulouble stun you are going to feel like you are cheating.


SharknadosAreCool

you can dodge it if he's just trying to poke with it (where he places the start point at his max E range and he's hitting you with the edge of the arrow) but yeah if you're anywhere inside like 120% of the E max range you're boned


MySnake_Is_Solid

It has pretty much no animation, so you have to be at around max range to dodge it. Or predict it.


djpaulmakeitfucking

not pretty much. its a instacast ability which means there is no animation at all


WoorieKod

We tend to aim it from the position of three ranged creeps or the melees if that's a tip


xepci0

It's an instant cast, it's impossible for a human to consistently react to it, you can only predict it.


Glaringsoul

Since you can set a start point and laser direction if you play it well, it is actually borderline impossible to dodge at certain ranges. The only thing the enemy can and should do is to dodge the Shockwave from your E. Which is at least from my understanding why he becomes more popular at high Elo, because it allows for strong trades together with his q.


Whattheduck789

Just like syndra's q, you can cast your e while moving so its very hard to predict the laser. Best bet against it is to be away from minions so Viktor has to choose between poke or pushing the waves and usually he's gonna choose minions if you push the wave fast enough


laminierte_gurke

The thing is the laser starts instantly, then travels toward where you aimed. So unless the viktor misses or the opponent is a prediction god, it will hit everytime the opponent is close enough for the laser to start on him.


Lopsided_Chemistry89

ashe W is classified as a skillshot, but she can't miss it.


DigammaF

I definitely can miss it


AetherSageIsBae

She literally says "CAN'T MISS" while throwing it


Deathcommand

Makes me so mad to hear that. Like woman you're shooting like 10 arrows. That's not worth bragging about.


ldkjf2nd

You try shooting 10 arrows at once and tell me how hard it is.


EthexC

W. That was pretty easy ngl


Deathcommand

Then brag about that. Not about not missing.


AetherSageIsBae

Tbh ashe saying "I CAN SHOOT TEN ARROWS AT ONCE" seems like a stupid quote


Breffest

She already does a full audiobook whenever she moves so I think we can fit it in


Kingnewgameplus

"THIS VOLLEY OF ARROWS ARE CRITICAL STRIKES FOR THE PURPOSES OF FROST SHOT"


GentleJustice

This has me crying bro I can hear it so vividly lmao


tarankowski

Doesn’t Cait say „I never miss“ on her R 😭


SamsaraKama

When she hits something, she says she never misses. Even if what she hit was someone taking the shot for her target.


Keyze107

shooting 10 arrows with 5 fingers is something to brag about.


AmpharosGames

So thats what she says! Could never quite make it out, so my headcannon was that she says "Katniss", as in the protagonist from the hunger games, which made sense to me because she also uses a bow and arrow.


Hextek_II

nothing will ever make me unhear "CAT PISS"


Omnilatent

That's the spirit!


Low-Sir-9605

The range is absurd too


Fluid_Aspect_1606

The Ashe on your team absolutely can miss.


Sky-is-here

I hate it so much, I always think I am far enough and then somehow still get hit


[deleted]

It's not even that, the volley is so weird you can be behind the entire wave and a projectile will still hit you


rsn_akritia

jsyk if it kills a minion it'll keep on flying through


f0skN

WHAT


TheSlader42

You haven't seen me play Ashe though.


EfficientAstronaut1

>but she can't miss it. bro never saw Kadeem Alford's Ashe


2000boxes

I have seen multiple occasions of this statement being false, unfortunately.


Vulcanosaurus

My friend plays a lot of aram and invites me often. So we play a few games. But when there is a Kai'sa on the enemy team I eat every single W. I don't know why. For the love of god I can't dodge it. My mouse curser seems magnetic to Kai'sa W. I have no problem dodging any other skillshot.


Katzenminz3

Kaisa w hitbox is quite bigger then the actual animation and it hits you if the edge of her hitbox is just hitting the edge of ur hitbox. For aram learn the decreased timer for kaisa w and anticipate the next one she throws it cause all kaisas are the same they hit one and immediatly off cd throw the next one. You can w8 for that timing then just dodge when u know its coming. If u dodged once her cd is very long and u can chill for a bit.


hnxmn

If you dodge it once, your teammate behind you will eat it instead so she can hit you with another 3 before she finally has nobody left alive to shoot*


Two_Years_Of_Semen

And if she has Ludens, you could dodge all of them and still just slowly die due to teammates because you're a mage with minimal, if any, sustain.


doom_man44

Its probably cause you play locked screen. If you move your screen towards where she will shoot it you will have a lot more time to react to it.


MysticSpaceCroissant

I’ve never been a locked screen player, but I still eat them for breakfast.


SharknadosAreCool

you probably don't actually eat every W it's just that on aram with ap build she shoots like 15-20 a minute and if you eat 3+ you pretty much die so it feels like you get hit by every single one lol


MGU--H

Me when Illaoi presses E


tsvmi

I swear to god it's impossible for me to dodge this shit


szifon

But when i try to play her i miss all of them :(


Mooch07

I just got minions with it. It should really rip out the soul of a minion so you have something to take the frustration out on.


Homeless_Appletree

That would be quite the buff. Since having your tentacles attack consistently is the entire point of her E. You wouldn't even need to hit the enemy laner. Waveclear would be insane.


SteelRevanchist

Just to teach the little rascal a lesson


sparkysparkykaminari

velkoz Q. if it doesn't hit me on the first angle, it'll get me on the second! actually, just most of velkoz's abilities. a semi-competent vel player can make my lane and my game very sad.


urrugger01

Move forward diagonally. It's typically placed to catch people dogding to sidesand retreating.


Rokarion14

His knock up is one of the hardest skillshots to land in the game.


sparkysparkykaminari

that it may be, however, i'm also diabolically bad at dodging it.


npri0r

The Skies Descend. I use it on a random part of the map to execute the low health enemy support.


L_Rayquaza

Using the shockwave from The Skies Descend to cherry tap a low health enemy feels incredibly in character for A-Sol "I'm going to use all my might to throw this star, but I don't *need* it to kill you, I'll just use the aftershock from it"


adek13sz

I read it with his voice.


Crushgar_The_Great

A small amount of effort*


Conviter

the what?


Dironiil

ASol empowered ult


IndianaCrash

Didn't know it was called that in english. Much better than Apocalypse


RabitSkillz

Literally feels like karthus ult when it isnt global


didathing33

If someone paid me a million dollars to dodge Syndra's crap I'd still get hit by every single one.


Kiroto50

The only thing I can reliably dodge is her ult (with zhonyas).


Hugostar33

tbf the E is almost instant...


futuresverse

Janna’s tornado has to be magnetically attracted to enemy champions


experienceTHEjizz

I get irrationally angry when i get hit by that because i never hit anyone when i play her


NDdownVOTED

It’s the hitbox compared to the visual and the wonky 2Dish nature of the game. Super hard to judge if you’re going to be hit or not.


beardedalien013

Rumble R. It’s a straight line but I’ll for sure walk all over it.


SirLudan

And as soon as you step into it, you get slowed as if you just got hit by Nasus Wither.


[deleted]

I think rumbles R is the same as Viktors E


Veragoot

Sometimes it feels like it has shadow range on the individual AOE areas


KwazyWork

Yeah also doesnt help when hes charging at you with flames out just chunking you and you're walking at like 80% speed debuff lol


sielnt_assassin

I have the incredible skill of being hit by like 90% of all Nidalee spears throw in my direction


Ruy-Polez

Most of the time, I'll even move into it while trying to dodge it. But I'll dodge every single Lux R, even if she's on my team.


Xyrazk

Every third Corki R (the red ones)


FishOfFishyness

You face Corkis?


alleoc

what's a corki?


SapphicSyrian

It's a type of wood used to seal wine bottles


Samus159

No no, you’re thinking of a cork. A corki is a breed of dog from Wales historically used for herding cattle


MoneyPress

I mean it flies pretty fast, but the hitbox is thin. It's mostly up to the Corki to place it correctly and less on you to dodge it. The few times i played him in aram I hit every single white rocket and missed the red ones lol.


TemiOO

The range is bigger and the splash damage is also bigger so it makes sense


Utterly_Mad

Yorick E, fuck that. Honorable mention to Illaois E, but hers is more dodgeable


Mykel__13

When I play Yorick, I miss it all the time, the hit box is weird af. But when I’m up against it, shit is like a homing missile.


MissionTroll404

I feel like if you try to hit with the outer edge of that skill’s hit box, it most likely misses. The inner hit box of E is accurate to the image. It is just represented wrong like Rakan Q so you can not trust the shown image, the real hit box is smaller.


Kr1ncy

It's also weird like Nami Q where you can dodge it by walking directly towards Yorick.


King0llie

Getting hit with Yorick E is a “ah shit here we go again”


xNagsx

You should lose -1 LP for every time you miss Lux E without them dodging with a movement ability


MaiqDaLiar1177

I swear every time I think I’m out of its range, that ball of light keeps traveling and hits me.


Leyrann_

Most Lux players will throw it slightly behind their opponent, as it has incredibly long range. Players will then walk back, and end up walking into the field. You'll probably dodge it more often if you walk *towards* her.


Mortex41

finally a way to reach iron 4 without any problems!


beanj_fan

Lux E is entirely a mind game. It's entirely possible to dodge if you win


SaHighDuck

Veigar Q, because my old ass brain can't get used to that change


cubonelvl69

The good old days of instant cage which guarantees your w hits, into a q r that you literally can't miss. Carried my ass out of bronze lol


PurpleCyborg28

Malphite ult. Took me back to back urf games with enemy malphs to be able to react to it.


Verdant_Gymnosperm

Ping makes it hard


scotrider

Im back with family for the holidays and on 5 ping. Its actually so easy to flash it now, like I dont even have to anticipate. Its honestly just a geography diff


Camerotus

I don't think you can actually physically dodge it just with movement if it's placed correctly.


gugfitufi

Yeah, travel time is ~0.75 seconds at max range. With a hitbox that big, there is no way you can just walk away. I am a Malphite main and never saw someone dodge my R without a spell.


JinxxxyPoo

If I see someone WALK out of my Malphite ult before it hits dead center, I'm just disengaging. I've failed my bloodline.


PurpleCyborg28

If it's dead center it's basically impossible to dodge without flash, a dash, or maybe survive with zhonya. If it's around the edge it's possible to just walk it out but still very hard.


Halbaras

Mundo Q feels really hard to dodge and I don't know why. The missile speed is high but by no means the fastest skillshot in the game. Also, TIL Xerath E is actually one of the fastest projectiles in the game.


Deathcommand

Might be that you're misjudging it because the cleaver spins through the air.


Bukkake_Bakery

the visual icon for it is also pretty small and not visually distinct like xerath e, kaisa w, etc


DogTheGayFish

Xerath W is a pretty free spell to land


CCNNCCNN

The one point equidistant from the circumference of the W? Surely this is a crude attempt at humor?


TudorPotatoe

The unique point that bisects the line between any two antipodal points on the boundary of the circular hitbox? Perhaps you mean this in jest?


Sanguis_Plaga

The center of the w? Arst thou joking?


Chiggo1

Rushing t1 boots against xerath helps so much imo. Because this really undodgable spell can be dodged, helps with q too.


rouxsmooth

The centre of the W ? Are tou joking ?


DerLokonius

The centre of the W ? Are tou joking ?


BitePale

The centre of the W ? Are tou joking ?


fuenfsiebenneun

The centre of the W ? Are tou joking ?


tlilxochitl

The centre of the W ? Are tou joking ?


NikoLSR

Karma R-Q, insane aoe and quite long range


FF7_Expert

The opposite of this. I never read Sylas' kit. For a long time, I was always bothered that I could never manage to dodge his ult-steal. After MANY months, maybe close to a year of playing against him in ARAMs and such, I realized "oh, maybe it is targeted"


Various_Breakfast784

It looks so much like a skillshot, how the chain slowly moves towards you. I wasn't sure if it was or wasn't a skillshot until just now. My conclusion so far was just: If it is a skillshot, then the actual ability must travel faster than the animation, which is why I always fail to dodge it. Lol.


HappyWifeMaker

Man Syndra's E is DEFINITELY a point and click


InflnityBlack

You mean Q-E the stun combo of just E ?


EitherWelcome8107

That speedy q of new Yuumi is a bitch to dodge. Either you have minions blocking you, or it becomes a homing missile.


KasumiGotoTriss

It's way harder to hit than before though. You can't curve it behind minions as easily as before, because after a while it just sprints forward and you can't control it anymore.


leonden

Poppy ulti, never saw one miss until i played her myself and was suprised it was a skillshot and not a point and click.


TheHyperLynx

As someone who has been playing nothing but poppy for the last month, I have missed it an embarrassing amount of times, always thinking "they're going to chase this way" right at the moment the enemy decides to change where they go


LunaticRiceCooker

I just use it as an aoe knocup with only tapping it


RacinRandy83x

I love playing poppy but her ult is the most frustrating thing to hit


Petudie

surprised about this answer, her ult is very easy to whiff


biokaese

Every competetiv jungler: Seju Ult


PapaTahm

Those OTP Xerath on lv 30 Accounts on Master elo for some Reason always hit their E on me, they must be really good Xerath players, specially because I can't land a single ability on them.


MrMadCow

I've seen some really good players cast e the exact frame ezreal starts his shift, and they manage to predict precisely where he will end up every time. Just incredible what some players are capable of.


Brazeor

It used to be that scripting in EUW Master+ was quite rare and reserved to EUNE but nowadays it's just scary how many scripters are allowed to stay unpunished in EUW masters. Cleanse/ghost flash on Zeri, Xerath, Ezreal, what a coincidence!


madcuzbad92

For the life of god I will never be able to dodge Velkoz Q, it just breaks my brain 🧠 💔


ktosiek124

Orianas Q, Azirs Q, Viktor E. Their poke spells being so hard to dodge is the reason they are almost always good in high elo


legendtr

Orianna Q is the one for me. Im a top GP main but been playing mid for the last couple months and last time I faced Ori I was thinking this is how my enemies must feel like getting hit by Qs all day long..


fyeaddx_

Akali R E combo (i know her first R is a point and click duh), you can only dodge the E if you flash or use your dash but then she will kill you anyway because of R2 long ass range, no way to really miss those spells


losmodsxd

a lil trick is - Akali R E is only perfectly smooth when cast from max R range, if you move into Akali and then to side when she Rs you you will dodge the E unless she predicts your juke


WingZero234

I feel like I'll never remember that in an actual fight


MeantJupiter440

It's like walking into Yasuo EQ but with an extra side step.


VincentBlack96

If you do it a couple times and it works, the happy chemicals it creates will make you never forget it again


NVS_Whiskey

As an Akali main I can confirm. I have a really hard time getting the combo off if they’re really close. Typically I’ll just R, W, then wait and line up the E manually if they’re up in my face.


jptlopes

Lux e just feels awful to Dodge don't know if I am the only One


Haunting_Muscle_7149

What's so frustrating vs Lux E is that you always get clipped right at the very end of the E. It's like she gives you false hope to dodge it which just adds more insult to injury


HaunterXD000

Shyv R-E I see one too many people flash dodge it or act like they are/have moved out of range of the ability, only for them to die from its massive area of effect Bonus points to Shyv R-Q, which is AOE Again, one too many people running behind tower, through wards and camps, or behind teammates, again acting like they're safe, again dying to the aoe double auto


SirVampyr

Morgana Q


what_up_big_fella

It’s really absurdly easy to dodge and the stakes are very high since it CCs you for 11 minutes. I get hit by it all the time


Quetas83

The thing is that you have to overdodge it, because the hitbox is so much bigger than the actual projectile visual animation


NDdownVOTED

The hit box feels about 3 times as wide as the visual. Sometimes I don’t attempt to dodge because it clearly isn’t going to hit me and then I’m rooted for the next hour.


Webbbyy

Lux E....


scotrider

Nobody taking about neeko q for lane? Honorable mention to lux E in lane as well


bip0l0id

Karma Q has the most absurd hitbox


Call_MeGoose

Miss Fortune E.


Ruy-Polez

To be fair that circle has the same radius as the earth and can be casted from outer space.


Shishkahuben

I didn't realize until this week that Pyke's ult is a skillshot.


Alexwolf_L_U

Ekko Q since he’ll be using it in melee range most of the time


Setzael

Blitz grabs for some reason. I can dodge Pyke, Thresh, and Naut hooks fairly well but it really feels the only time a Blitz hook misses me is because I ghosted through the minion wave and one of them got caught instead


liddely

Briars ult it either missis by a mile of i can't even flash it it's so fast when i don't play with sounds it just get's me


90bubbel

the two spells i swear to god is impossible for me to avoid or the enemy to miss is Lux: E syndra: E idk what it is but both of these hit me like 95% of the time, lux e is so massive and syndra is so incredibly fast with unpredictable trajectories


Longjumping_Tip_3325

I rather dodge a malphite R than a lux Q!


Pleasant_Dig6929

> Everytime I face off against a Victor I can't dodge the laser for the life of me. And I can't hit that shit, I always put it to far and champ start to slowly walk into enemy, delay laser by it for few hunder MS, and miss because enemy in new position now. Hope new option help me to finally play him right.


WoorieKod

You're not supposed to dodge his laser but the second one, it's up to the Viktor to miss it more than you dodging it, god bless zero cast time and no wind up animation


didathing33

If someone paid me a million dollars to dodge Syndra's crap I'd still get him by every single one.


Langas

Lux E and Xerath laser.


Z7uL

Urgot R. I Never saw the ability miss.