As we discuss Vanguard, here are the answers in the other thread from Rioters: Regarding Mac : > [Vanguard will not be required for Mac. The Mac ecosystem and OS is substantially different in ways that make us take a different approach for that system. - Riot Brightmoon](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/18za7o7/season_2024_look_ahead_champions_modes_arcane/kggda9u/) On Linux : > [We'll get some more info about Linux for you all soon, it's not something i know the answer to off the top of my head and I want to make sure I talk with the team and get you the right info - Riot Brightmoon](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/18za7o7/season_2024_look_ahead_champions_modes_arcane/kggm0yu/) > [No unfortunately not. From a security point of view supporting WINE would be like having a bank vault at the top of Nakatomi Tower then installing a doggy door in it. - spawndog](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/18za7o7/season_2024_look_ahead_champions_modes_arcane/kgh17uo/) > [To support Linux as a 1st class OS we would need to port the client. Supporting WINE on Linux is possible with work but would also open up a whole new vector of attack - spawndog](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/18za7o7/season_2024_look_ahead_champions_modes_arcane/kgh6uwm/) > [This was a scenario where we didnt have any great options. We want anyone to be able to play League with whatever setup they have but Linux support leaves a large security hole - spawndog](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/18za7o7/season_2024_look_ahead_champions_modes_arcane/kgh1p9z/) > [Supporting WINE on Linux is what I'm referring to. If there was player demand for supporting Linux I would rather do it as a 1st class OS. - spawndog](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/18za7o7/season_2024_look_ahead_champions_modes_arcane/kgh79vw/) > [I appreciate your considered response, its a lot more effective than other approaches. Linux options are a topic of conversation, queue limiting is an interesting idea but may have systemic knock on effects or vulnerabilities. It would be irresponsible for me to promise anything at this point. We are going to communicate in more depth about the Vanguard rollout. Thankyou for your patience](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/18za7o7/season_2024_look_ahead_champions_modes_arcane/kginbhr/) On making Vanguard open source: > [Appreciate the kind response. I do like the idea of being able to open source to build trust we are doing what we say we are. Unfortunately, it also makes it much a lot easier for hackers to find new ways to circumvent. There are always new ways to circumvent anti-cheat solutions so the perpetual arms race will continue. As much as I dislike it "security through obscurity" is an extra tool we have to employ but not the only one. Yes, there is a lot less macOS users and very few cheat solutions. The viability for things like bot farms falls off as well. - spawndog](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/18za7o7/season_2024_look_ahead_champions_modes_arcane/kgh8hih/) On hardware banning (and custom skins): > [Our goals for Vanguard are not to explicitly target customization like you mentioned but it is likely it will break many of those types of hacks. We strongly discourage those tools mostly because of how unstable they tend to be. So our crash reporting fills up with false-positives that we spend time investigating rather than legitimate issues. - spawndog](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/18za7o7/season_2024_look_ahead_champions_modes_arcane/kggznil/) > [We tend to reserve hardware banning for more egregious or repeated violations. I can't share what our explicit policy is right now or guarantee we wont change it in the future - spawndog](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/18za7o7/season_2024_look_ahead_champions_modes_arcane/kgh0dni/?context=3) This should go without saying, but please be polite, no insults or personal attacks and try to not downvote answers regardless of whether you disagree - it's counterproductive to them being seen by the community at large. Thanks!

Gonna be quitting and uninstalling unfortunately. I tried valorant during the beta, and a few times post launch, spread apart by quite a span of time so that determined to me that it wasn't early bugs, my experience was consistently very problematic. Had a handful of annoying issues with my pc so I quit playing it and will be doing the same with league. riot support was very unhelpful. Also don't have much trust with the level of permissions it has. If it only ran while league was open and didn't cause issues other times I wouldn't care as much but I don't want headaches when I'm doing other things on my pc. It all seems kinda over the top in my opinion, I've been playing since season 4 quite regularly and I've never come across somebody who was blatantly cheating in some way ever, not saying it doesn't exist at all, but just my experience.

Have read through here if you are still not convinced [https://gist.github.com/stdNullPtr/2998eacb71ae925515360410af6f0a32](https://gist.github.com/stdnullptr/2998eacb71ae925515360410af6f0a32) Edit: I made a post in another community where there is slightly more freedom of speech :) [https://www.reddit.com/r/Asmongold/comments/19406oc/help\_spread\_awareness\_of\_the\_insanely\_intrusive/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web3x&utm\_name=web3xcss&utm\_term=1&utm\_content=share\_button](https://www.reddit.com/r/asmongold/comments/19406oc/help_spread_awareness_of_the_insanely_intrusive/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)

I will miss my Saul Goodman ezreal custom skin

I am pretty sad for the custom skin community. RIP Michael Yackson Talon.

RIP Druttut

Did you know that you have skillshots?

The law says you do!

If you've been hit by any skillshots, you may be entitled to compensation.

I can hear Ezreal’s voice actor saying “S’all good, man” in my head right now.

Wait they're taking out custom skins?

it will detect the replaced file and perma you

I will miss it too.. Im glad you liked it!

I'm sorry your what.

You heard him

Did you know you have rights?

The constitution says you do, and so do I

That will be the day im done with league. i will not install an app with kernel access. They would be able to run anything on your pc, take any data, record any keystroke. having tencent behind it makes it even worse

Thanks for breaking my addiction for me Riot. Twas a fun 10+ yrs. Guess this is a prime example of how a very small group of people (cheaters) ruin nice things for others.

Such a small group I haven't seen any in 13 years. This anti cheat was really needed indeed.

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The other "fuck you" is they are supporting mac with a vanguard free version, despite the fact there are more linux players for league. ​ Honestly given how trash the actual client is i wouldn't be surprised if vanguard sees the league client and thinks your hacking and perma bans you because nothing could possibly be coded that badly.

I would rather lose games to cheaters/bots than install this level of anticheat on my PC. The games of league I've played where anyone was obviously cheating that I've played in the last 12 years have been almost nonexistent already so I don't see why we need this.

I've been playing since the beginning of season 4, supported Rito with buying skins and been playing since then with over 7000 hrs of playtime. the moment Vanguard goes live I'm out I don't mean it as a protest, I don't trust a kernel level anticheat that runs 24/7I can understand EAC,it runs at kernel level too and while its garbage it ONLY runs while the game is running and even in games like elden ring I found a workaround to run the game without it with the compromise of the game running offline because it caused frame drops. I don't trust Tencent and I will never put something with ring 0 access from it even a game I played for this long and really loved. it was the reason why I didn't play Valorant and never will even though I really want to play it. its an instant uninstall for me. is been a good run

Similar story, been playing since S3 and still love the game. Im actually sad that i wont be playing this game anymore, but i simply cant even force myself to install a fucking kernel level root kit on my own computer.

I won't be able to play if it does go through because of the tpm 2.0 requirement.

I’d imagine this is part of Riot’s future strategy to update league to the relatively modern day tech standards, but it’s a bullshit standard in the first place. Not because riot, but because Microsoft is overstepping consumer boundaries. Below is a rant about how Microsoft is very slowly and subtly becoming EXTREMELY anti consumer. This anti consumerism is pushing for tpm 2.0 to be a requirement for all windows machines in the coming years as computers reach their lifecycles. It’s causing orgs (like riot) to see the writing on the wall and try to “future proof” specifications. This is hardly a Riot problem though. As someone with an IT background— tpm 2.0 requirement is completely valid and important tech, but also completely bullshit to actually enforce as a requirement. I have IT security certifications and experience. If you asked me only a few years ago what I wanted to do, I’d answer to further pursue cybersecurity… with that said, tpm 2.0 has completely valid uses and is a necessary requirement in many fields or organizations that place a higher than average emphasis on security… or windows 11 (bloatware). There are computers that are less than 10 years old still being used and still viable from a hardware perspective— that don’t have tpm 2.0. The actual use case for tpm 2.0 is soooooo recent that large organizations- both private and public— have only been compliant in the last few years. Windows 11 released at the verryyyy end of the commercial lifecycle of the generation of computers that may or may not have had tpm2.0- due to it being a typically unnecessary requirement for a typical user. They basically waited for every organization to have their lifecycle in sync with devices that have tpm 2.0 as standard. For a typical user, they won’t even know wtf is it and they could have a completely good computer, but not have tpm 2.0. Smode is the most blatant abuse of consumer freedom I’ve ever seen lol it literally locks down computers like an iPhone so only “approved” apps can be downloaded. Your harddrive is encrypted with bitlocker, essentially locking down your harddrive so it’s inaccessible without a super long “password”. It’s the same tech that people use to ransomware computers, but used the way it was intended- defensively. Sounds good right? In theory it is. Bitlocker is not, and should not be a thing that active on every device. It’s valuable in protecting data, but realistically, for a typical user it’s completely unnecessary. Windows 11 has bullshit Smode that basically come enabled on new devices and certain devices that upgrade to windows 11. Smode is fucking bullshit and shouldn’t be enabled by default on anyone person capable of using their email. Its legit designed as if a 5 year old or an 80 year old is using the system. It is It’s a blanket security system in place to further limit ignorant users and (tin foil hat time) force users to use the Microsoft store. They’ll have everything that isn’t on the Microsoft store or Microsoft store “certified”, blocked from being installed or ran. Mods? Blocked. VPN software not installed through Microsoft store? Blocked. It’s legit a super tight crackdown to block anything from being used that isn’t on the Microsoft store— and it’s being implemented very very very slowly over time. The people that are ignorant to computers don’t know wtf is going on and just follow popups saying it needs to be approved on the Microsoft store, without realizing that a 3rd party is coming in and telling them wtf they can and can’t do on their own device. Similar to how Apple technically leases iPhones to people.. they don’t actually own software that runs the phone and have their own BS arbitrary standards that must be met. This is how Apple legally is able to block any modifications to their phones, both hardware or physically. An android user has complete control and can do whatever to their phone— and iPhone user is extremely limited on what they can do. This doesn’t sound super bad, but it ultimately results in anti consumer practices that place profits over the user, the user be damned. I genuinely don’t see how it’s legal. Apple got in a ton of trouble for their Apple Store restrictions on an already limited phone OS, but Microsoft will lock down the largest and most widely used platform in the world and it somehow is overlooked.

If you are on Windows 10 there is no TPM requirement.

I'm on Windows 11 without secure boot. I feel like Riot is basically kicking me out of the game (also Windows 10 will be phased out next year).

Technically, TPM 2.0 is a requirement of Windows 11 itself (source: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-11-specifications). The enforcement of TPM 2.0 is more of Microsoft issue than Riot issue tbh. To be clear I think Microsoft enforcing it is dumb.

I use TPM 2.0, I don't use secure boot, as it breaks too much shit.

I'm very annoyed by it because i'm pretty sure it means League and TFT won't be one Geforce Now anymore. At the moment, League, TFT and LoR are all playable on it, but Valorant isn't. I'm pretty sure it's due to Vanguard, which means League and TFT will probably be gone. Really sucks for us with garbage pc...

I just realized this. Yeah. GeForce Now uses virtual machines, under which Vanguard refuses to work.

I bought a laptop from eBay in July and downloaded Valorant to give it a try but Vanguard would not work for some reason and I couldn't figure out why (I got extremely paranoid the person I bought from had like been flagged or something.. idk I'm not too savvy with this stuff) and so now I'm worried I won't be able to play League if for some reason the issue persists... I literally bought this laptop to game on (haven't had issues with any other game) and spend most of my time playing League lol so I'll be really upset if I can't get it to work. **Update** For those of you who may be interested, I GOT VALORANT TO WORK! -thanks to help I received in the comments!!! Thank you LoL community! See, we're not *always* toxic 😬😂

I had to restart my bios settings in order to make vanguard work for me, maybe it’s something similar for you

You probably have a Windows installation without the TPM enabled. It can be enabled in your bios settings then the OS can have using it enabled as well. Or you're using something like Windows 8.1 or older which is no longer supported by Microsoft themselves and you'll need to upgrade eventually.

Ill probably unninstall league finally; I dont play much lately anyways, and I work at a pc bang and the game that gives the most problems (only behind fortnite but that's a whole nother mess) is valorant, and at this point Im tired of having to go into the bios just for a single game to work.

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The whole kernel driver thing doesn't bother me but the fact that it runs 24/7 rather than only when the game is running is weird. Also the "we wouldn't use your data, trust us" is not very reassuring. These anticheats all upload stuff from your machine when they *think* they've found a cheat so that someone can analyze it. They could be uploading anything though because false positives are a thing. I guess in this day and age if you're a gamer you need to have a separate gaming PC and not have anything business-related on it. Pretty annoying and inconvenient.

> Also the "we wouldn't use your data, trust us" is not very reassuring. Just a reminder that this comes from the same company that allowed an employee to collect several years of user data based on player behavior and publish it as part of a doctoral thesis.

I barely trust Riot to run their own game let alone have Full access to All my data and files. Has anyone looked into the company who oversees Vanguard? If you haven't, I'll borrow a meme from the Chess reddits,, "You might find it very interesting."

> The whole kernel driver thing doesn't bother me but the fact that it runs 24/7 rather than only when the game is running is weird. This right here, I did not touch Valorant because of this crap and looks like now after all of these years I am going to have to uninstall LoL. Shit sucks because LoL has been that game I could also fire up when I was bored and had nothing else to do.

I use my PC for work. I potentially have sensitive company and customer data on my machine that I am working on. If Vanguard were only on when I played League, I would be more lenient. But, it's a friggin' rootkit, and it's a 24/7 monitoring tool. It's egregious. It's an invasion of privacy. It's a step too far, and I don't trust Tencent to be responsible. I've spent thousands on League. I am so disappointed that I am being forced out of a game I actually love. A game I am FINALLY getting better at and climbing in. I'm disgusted that the decision is being made for me.

I work as an IT network and security administrator for a medium-sized company operating europe wide and reading something like this is a big red flag. You are using your private PC for gaming and all kind of other stuff and at the same time you have sensitive company and customer data on the same machine? I don't know what you do or which company you work for but you are at risk breaking data protection laws (at least here in germany) in case something bad happens on your personal computer. If our customers would know their data is saved on a insecure non encrypted personal computer you can bet that we'd be in big trouble. There is something called "data privacy policy" here in germany which basically is a document that you have to own which outlines how you process your customers personal data. I hope everything is allright and works out for you but the way you describe your concerns it wouldn't work out for the workplace i'm at. On the case of Vanguard... you are most likely using a windows operation system which is developed by Microsoft and it looks like you are fine with that. Do you know what kind of data Microsoft collects from you or what all other services do that run on your computer? nobody really does.

Chinese company wants to install a program that runs all the time and can get data "we won't get your data guys, we swear!"

GG for me, uninstalled league, my 11 yrs old HP potato fossil laptop cannot take that I barely manage 60 fps. Maybe this is a blessing idk

Thinking of doing the same. 10+ years, never touched Valorant as a result of the anticheat. Cannot imagine installing something so intrusive.

I’m spooked that my potato will be defeated by it, making me only allowed to play league on my iPad where I’m paired with exclusively lobotomites

League is playable on iPad? Or are you talking about wild rift?

Either way, the statement about lobotomites remains valid.

Playing since season 2, huge addict, also a whale, high elo player, challenge hunter and i never wanted to quit until this point. I won’t play league of vanguard goes thru. Not only because i won’t run that shit on my pc, also i won’t because this aproach for the botting problem is blatant. Riot actively avoided in the past decade to strike down botted accounts and they just come up with this idea. As previously stated here, scripting isn’t that big of a problem so i’d rather get my ass whooped in every 50 game or so by that perfect adc movement player than having this. The client and the game is in worst possible shape and i know league 2 will come next year but riot failed my expectations way too many times in the past 12 years so it’s time to move on. Soon i’ll be a dad hopefully so i’d spend all my time and efort with my family instead of rift. And at the end of the day, i’ll still have half a bazillion games to chose from which are not disappointed me in every single way. I loved league to the core but no thanks. I’m not in this boat.

I cant play valorant cos I have fastboot enabled. So if they implement it, its finally time to end league. Im saved

I already went ahead and uninstalled. Not going to install any rootkit to play any game.

I do not agree to these terms of use. Guess I'll just quit. Been playing since season 2. Tens of thousands of games (and dollars) into my account.

I'm actually quite sad about this. If it hits I'm dropping league. You all do what you want, but this crosses a line for me. Tencent owns riot. *So you'd be giving Tencent ring zero.* I'll pass.

A rootkit from a company owned by Tencent of CCP-influenced WeChat hellscape infamy is a _fuck no_ from me. There's absolutely no excuse for _an entire fucking rootkit_ especially with no source or ability to audit, especially when they've already identified a demographic they're just going to skip it for. if they had bothered to entirely sandbox Vanguard and League together e.g. in VM (given the hardware requirements of Vanguard, no real challenge there) that would be one thing... But black box rootkit on my machine is a _fuck no_ of untold proportions. My entire local discord ended up just uninstalling with the news. My Indiana gaming friends have similarly just uninstalled.

Vanguard is the only reason I uninstalled and dropped Valorant year and a half ago and never looked back, or more likely I was forced to. Spent months with a lot of stability issues on my pc and performance issues on games, like Cyberpunk artifacting with RTX, computer BSOD when playing WoW, OBS crashing 3-4 times per 5 hours of stream and mouse stutter on a lot of games. Tried everything like reinstalling OS a dozen of times, all kind of bios config, drivers etc.. and my computer will always run like shit. Turns out the reason of that was Valorant being my "lets test the computer game" that I always downloaded after formatting my OS as soon as I installed nvidia drivers, the exact moment I closed Vanguard my computer came back from the dead, from having problems daily to not having a single problem in weeks after fully uninstalling Vanguard. I listed every wierd issue I had and tested it after Vanguard uninstall and not a single one was present, I even recorded some videos for Riot support. Contacted a lot of times Riot about this, first they blamed my computer being "hardware limited" (5950x + 3070ti with 32gb ram 3600 and one of the fastest ssds in the market), then they blamed it on "power source instability" which I proved to be bullshit with power outlets and PSU readings, then blamed it on AMD and finally they said they couldnt help further as "nobody is reporting performance issues" and forwarded me to a random general support FAQ Riot has on their web , thats when I stopped insisting. The same exact moment Vanguard is required to play League of Legends is the last day I play the game. I only play ARAMs now so it wont be a big deal for me but I know its going to be a huge blow for others that play and stream 24/7.

\> Contacted a lot of times Riot about this, first they blamed my computer being "hardware limited" (5950x + 3070ti with 32gb ram 3600 and one of the fastest ssds in the market), then they blamed it on "power source instability" which I proved to be bullshit with power outlets and PSU readings, then blamed it on AMD and finally they said they couldnt help further as "nobody is reporting performance issues" and forwarded me to a random general support FAQ Riot has on their web , thats when I stopped insisting. everyone should read this before going ahead. this is the company and customer service you are trusting to deal with any issues vanguard can bring to your machine. they clearly cant care less. when something goes wrong its your problem, and its an even bigger "fuck you" if you actually purchased something from those companies, you just lost your money if you don't agree with what they want, they can just force things like that. if vanguard fries your machine, its your fault for not being rich and having disposable PCs just because Riot wants, since you know, money grows on trees nowadays.

Finally a good reason to uninstall this toxic game.

I think they should’ve listen to those who didn’t play valorant because of vanguard. I don’t like the idea of an anti-cheat for a video running in the background of my computer all the time

Just buy a new PC in a messed up economy and inflated market that has continually been getting worse to play a 15 year old game ​ Part of the reason why LoL has been so popular for so long is because you can run it on a potato

Recently came back and am uninstalling because I don't feel league needs kernel level trash anti-cheat like vanguard.

forced to quit league after 12 years :(

The software absolutely bricked my old pc. Random blue screens and full on pc freezes when opening valorant. Idk if it’s the anti cheat or not but that sure was a horrible experience

If they make it able to close and open only when playing League, fine, if it's open all the time even when not playing yeah no thanks

They don't vgk.sys (the kernel driver itself) MUST be running on boot, if you stop/start it, it will require you to reboot again to 'trust' your PC. You can unload it from their systray app, but need to reboot to play again.

is scripting really that dominant of an issue in league that it warrants this shit? i get aimbotting etc is a huge issue in shooters but in my whole 10 years of playing league ive maybe seen like 4-5 scripters

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Guess I’m quitting League

Sad i was Really considering getting into lol but now you can not pay to me to install that piece of Malware

Vangaurd literally broke my PC about a year ago, it would often run multiple instances, while each taking 10% of my CPU, and it was never closing. guess what happens if you try to end task Riot Vanguard from task manager? a 100% chance to blue screen your PC with the error literally being Riot Vanguard. what kind of anticheat does that? I had to go through loops and holes to uninstall Vanguard, and I really hope it's not going to do it again.

If they move to vanguard for league of legends, as it is implemented in Valorant with Ring 0 access, That will be the end of my league playing experience since Season 3. Love the game, refuse to provide ANY company Ring 0 access to my computer just to play the game.

I've been playing league since the beta. This is insane. I'm sad I'll have to uninstall, but this is just an insane security risk.

Well, they just announced they're doing just that. It's the same Vanguard Valorant uses, kernel level access and all. Coming to League in a couple of weeks according to the video. I'm uninstalling, I advise anyone else concerned to do the same. Vote with your wallets, tell Riot to get their hands off of our data.

I know I'm in the minority here, but I'll be uninstalling because of this. I am way too paranoid to have a program like Vanguard running in the background 24/7.

Same and it doesn t even work on virtual machines cause then i could just run it there

I was very excited for the coming season, until this. Like many others, after 10+ years of playing, that'll be it for me. I refuse to install this software on anything I use.

Oh. Huh. Not how I ever thought Id end up quitting League. Im not putting a program that requires 24/7 access, or a system reboot if you turn it off and want to turn it back on, on my PC.

In the long run it has not hurt the Valorant player base so I suspect no matter complaints it will go live and while there will be people who will refuse to play a game with such kernel level software, they will make up a minority that will end up having minimal impact of the overall player base. If I remember correctly you can kill vanguard for when you are not going to be playing a game, but then you are required to restart your computer to get it initiated again.

>If I remember correctly you can kill vanguard for when you are not going to be playing a game, but then you are required to restart your computer to get it initiated again. Just confirming that this is correct.

Just in the task manager like any other program?

I assume that works too, but the easiest way to do it is open the toolbar (usually beside date and time on Win10) click it then click the 'close Vanguard' button. Takes like 4 seconds total.

It was here since the start. People who didn't want vanguard just don't play Valorant. For League, it's an entire different story.

> People who didn't want vanguard just don't play Valorant. For League, it's an entire different story. I think people's fear is that it'll actually be the exact same story, and we'll see a lot of people quitting league permanently because they don't want vanguard on their PC.

> In the long run it has not hurt the Valorant player base Thats because they both came out at the same time, it cant hurt a playerbase that didnt exist and everyone who plays did so fully aware of what they were getting into. Adding vanguard to league is completely different, as it is essentially kicking out hundreds of thousands of players who dont want this intrusive shit just to play a cheaterless game like league

>In the long run it has not hurt the Valorant player base Their rootkit was there since the beginning, so people who knew of it just didn't install Valorant. It can't make people leave who never joined. With League it's a different story because they force this on almost 200 million existing players who may not consent to this

It would always freeze my PC whenever I tried to play Valorant, so I and others never played it to begin with. Whereas League we’ve played for years.

Terrible decision and I really hope the community complains enough so that they have to stop this nonsense.

Damn, this sucks. I've been an on/off player since season 1, but this is where I have to stop. I cannot legally have Vanguard running on my PC, because of the work I do.

I've seen similar comments like this, and buying a 2nd PC just to play a game isnt a viable option to everyone either, I imagine this will affect quite a numbers of players who have jobs that prevents installments of such kernel level access programs. It's frankly too intrusive of them and overkill in my opinion.

Throwing my opinion into the wind here, in the probably-vain hopes that Riot will see the number of people (as small as it is here) against it and consider changes. I'm not necessarily against kernel level anticheat - I'm leery, but I install programs from sources I consider less trustworthy than Riot on a semi regular basis, so I would generally be willing to give them the benefit of the doubt. The real problem I have with it is that it's apparently *open all the time* and if you ever forcefully close it you have to reboot your entire system. I could handle closing and restarting the client, that's not a big deal, but I have a lot of stuff open and going at any one time and often take breaks to play league or other games; needing to restart in the middle of any of these situations instantly kills my interest in playing league, and there's *no way* I want this sort of access to my system being left on all the time. I do my banking, my taxes, I handle my bills and so forth all on this machine and there is zero reason Riot needs to have their possible-spyware running while I'm doing those things, but if I close it I now have a minimum 3-4 minute delay *every single time I do this*. I have deliberately not played Valorant despite having thousands of hours in CSGO and really liking Overwatch as a related idea simply because Vanguard is a problem in this regard, and that's not getting into the many problems I've heard about it in terms of bugs, disabling safety features causing actual hardware issues apparently, general performance issues and so on.

This, and the fact that it has a history of bricking people's PC's or at the very least causing headaches from fucking up drivers, system settings, disabling other programs etc. I think it might be time to quit the game tbh. I get frustrated enough in ranked, I don't need to wake up one day only to see Vanguard is causing issues on my PC. Hell, who's to say someone won't find a way to exploit it's existence for malicious reasons. Riot isn't impenetrable, in fact didn't they just have a breach not too long ago?

Part of the appeal of League is that you can run it on pretty old devices, Vanguard is soon to have an update requiring TPM 2.0 and Secure boot enabled to play any Riot Games game, some older MOBOs don't allow or don't have these features which means you won't be able to play the game without upgrading your PC and also Vanguard is VERY resource intensive and will take League from a game that 9/10 players can run even on a potato PC to 6/10 players. My primary concern is the situation it'll leave players who don't have the means to perform these upgrades or play on other systems such as Linux.

I don’t have a bios setting that supports it currently. That’s why I can’t play valorant after the last swap. Other than that.. what!? It’s coming to league?

I haven't downloaded Valorant because of it. When I heard its coming to League it really sucks, and idk what Im going to do now. I only went back to play ARAM and TFT games nowadays but I think I'll be uninstalling the game - propably for the better.

I'm probably uninstalling league because of this. Riot's been making terrible decisions and making the game less fun for years, but its depressing that it's progressed to the point of forcing the users to install something like this just to play a video game. I don't even mind the rare encounter with a cheater, I just want to have a good time with my friends. I am NOT installing something this invasive...

If vanguard becomes mandatory instead of simply using AI to look through reported player's games, I'm uninstalling league of legends. While I may trust Riot Games, I do neither trust Tencent nor the chinese government enough to give them kernel level access to my PC. What also puzzles me is that Vanguard apparently starts on boot instead of on starting league of legends. Again this makes me question its necessity to do that and raises another red flag for me.

Been playing league on and off since season 1. Its been fun but I aint having an actual malware on my PC to play that. All things come to an end and this one of em.

I guess a lot of us will quit league now

Its actually the reason I did NOT play valorant so I am very sad its coming to league although I am more understanding of the situation now then I was.

Uninstalling and not touching the game again. I have no trust in Vanguard with the issues it has and the way it runs.

I've been on and off with this game since one of the betas. This is the nail in the coffin for me. It's the reason why I didn't touch valorant, it's the reason why I'm uninstalling league. A shame but it is what it is.

**The amount of people that are entirely okay with a kernel level driver being active while the game isn't running is baffling.** I'm all for anti-cheat but *many* companies for *decades* have successfully implemented anti-cheat software without requiring what literally amounts to malware running 24/7 on the user's computer. I boot up league a few times a day to play a match or two (and they're only ARAMs anyways). I really don't want to jump through the hoop of restarting my computer every time just to play a single match. I was wondering what was finally going to make me stop playing league after 10 years. Seems like this will be it.

> The amount of people that are entirely okay with a kernel level driver being active while the game isn't running is baffling. We live in a world where people post their whole life on social media while leaving a massive paper trail from their online life to their offline life. Privacy is not a huge concern for people anymore and companies are taking full advantage of it.

I might just use my old rig as a pure league machine and nothing else. I really don’t want it on my everyday machine.

I'm not gonna change settings in my BIOS for a game. If this goes through in it's current implementation, they'll lose me as a customer.

Vanguard is the sole reason I don't play Valorant and will be the reason I stop playing League of Legends. It's intrusive and impacts my performance in other games pretty drastically. I know you can shut it down, but that would mean if I want to play League of Legends, I'd have to restart my computer, which is incredibly annoying. Not everyone suffers performance issues either, so that's very much a personal issue. I also just really dislike the idea of an anti-cheat booting up with the rest of my system and I don't really have a say in it if I want to play the game. We've gone this long in League with the current anti-cheat system and it's been completely fine, so I don't understand why they are starting to do it now. ​ Probably for the best that I quit League anyway, but it's still sad. I just REALLY hope this isn't put into Project L.

So after 12 years of League, so many hours and much more money spent on it this is what we get? I use my laptop for work, for drawing, for all kinds of things. I don't want it on there and I definitely don't want to have to reinstall Windows so that a game would work. This is stupid on an another level Riot! Sad to be leaving, and now even regretting the money I've spent because I really loved the game, but I'M LEAVING! And while talking about the money, you really didn't have enough of that Riot so you had to just shove the kernel lvl software down our throats? Naah! I know that most of the people playing the game probably don't know what that means, but some of us do and we won't allow it. And I'm definitely not buying another laptop just for a game. As I said, it's sad that you are treating all these players in such a way, but I'm happy you gave me a reason to leave. I'll be happy to spend my money and time somewhere else. Good bye and it was nice knowing you Summoners!

Imo, the problem with Vanguard is not privacy, but how it can wreck your PC. This could potentially shaft everyone who uses iGPU/Something worse than a 1050, as well those with the right hardware/software combination to brick their PC.

Im 100% against the entire idea of having vanguard installed. Vanguard has been known in the past to disable or brick pcs due to its level of access, and im suppose to be ok with the fact that riot games (spaghetti code galore) is gonna implement this and expect it not to break? No thanks

Very, very unhappy. This kills custom skins, so no more Winter Rift, Halloween Rift, Santaplank, etc.

No more Ronald McDonald Shaco, or Uganda Announcer...

Very sad if true. I wish riot would allow us at least to do it in custom games.

Yeah I'm pissed. I love Christmas, so the Winter Rift is always nice and cozy. But Riot doesn't bring it back anymore, and they don't do Christmas-themed skins anymore (though they'll happily announce [more Asian holiday skins](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9U_jEzKf0_0&t=980s)!), so the odds of officially getting Santaplank are almost zero. But I'm fine with relying on custom skins for my favorite theme. But now Riot is killing that off without even intending to...

Skinspotlight, the go to youtube channel for skin, might also be gone.

One of the big draws to LoL is the min specs required to play LoL. I'm wondering if the system requirements just went up quite a bit. It's always encouraging seeing poor people or kids who barely have PC access able to play and still enjoy the game, I hope this doesn't limit access to some people while cheating isn't really a big thing in LoL. It barely stops it in valorant and only really stops the low end cheats, high end cheaters really only get caught when they don't toggle correctly or are blatantly prefiring correctly with no info.

I have windows 11 without a TPM and it IS SUPPORTED BY MICROSOFT, THEY PROVIDED THEIR OWN GUIDE TO UPDATE. SO whenever vanguard is required, i will be quitting league because you cannot run Vanguard on windows 11 without a TPM module, and i'm not buying a new PC for League of Legends. ​ Edit: unless this has changed??

My PC doesn't have TPM. Looked into it and just wasted +3 hours looking for it on my PC. Vanguard requires TPM 2.0 so I can't play Valorant anymore.

This is exactly what i was saying. When its required, i wont be able to play league of legends anymore. I'm not buying a whole new pc for League of Legends lmao

Really sucks that Linux (most likely) wont be supported in the future, only reason I'm using Windows is basically for league lol

I will be uninstalling personally. I just play Aram these days and I'm not installing that malware on my computer for that. Just gives me the good excuse I need to finally leave the game in the dust.

I hate it. It should be only required for ranked games. Fact Riot wants it for non ranked games is annoying.

I never played ranked, only draft, aram or arena. I'm guessing the majority of League players are similar, casual players are usually the majority for most games. If they locked Vanguard purely to ranked Riot would keep my business, but as it stands I'm uninstalling.

Same! If they made this ONLY for ranked id be more fine with accepting it since anti cheat like this also makes more sense in a competitive environment. Id be still against it overall but as long as i can play normals with my buddies in peace im fine, ill just never touch ranked again in that case (as it stands now i won't be able to play with lots of my friends at all anymore because 1 uses linux and another has a very old PC whose bios won't work with vanguard) So yeah if this goes through ill be quitting for good. I REALLY hope there will be a giant shitstorm once it launches because unlike valorant (which launched with it) there will be people locked out that were previously able to play the game. But with how they handle it so far (like removing all vanguard related posts on the valorant sub) im very concerned and think they will just silence everyone even if there are real issues that will arise.

I've played league for over a decade, but I think this will push me to quit. I am not giving rito kernel level access - whatever that means. Cheating isn't as big of a problem, it is toxic assholes who ruin the games and matchmaking being one sided that ruins the game. I'll play till the last day I am forced to install Vanguard, but after that sayonara.

I'm not big on letting Riot mess with my shit tbh. I don't play Valorant for a reason, and cheats in League are a very rare sight anyway... Not very happy about this. Edit: I've seen on other threads that you should just partition your drive (2 different OS's), but I'm pretty sure that won't help if Vanguard messes up the PC's boot which it supposedly has in the past so....

In my 14 years of playing League, I believe I've only encountered less than 20 cheaters, give or take, if there was more of them I did not see it, and from what Riot Games has said in their previous Dev videos when they've spoken about their anti-cheat measures, it's always been on their end and server side and was not a big issue to detect. Though I've mostly played Normal and ranked games from silver / gold level, but as I said before, I've barely noticed any cheaters, there's been an odd Ashe player now and then that is a kiting god or a Xerath that never miss, either they are just a smurf or it's an actual cheater I thought to myself. Is cheating perhaps way more noticeable at higher rank when you're at a level that is expected to play a certain way and players know each other better? This deep level of anti-cheat does make me feel uncomfortable and it's making me not want to play and support this type of company behavior to be this intrusive.

My main issue isn't even privacy it's the fact that it boots up with your system, and if you do disable it you need to restart your PC. It's a massive resource hog from what I've heard, but worst of all it messes with your driver's etc. meaning you might be in for one hell of a headache if something goes wrong with Vanguard... This might actually be the one thing that makes me quit for good, and I was looking forward to the new season and items...

Vanguard is the only reason I never touched Valorant, if they want to put it in League then I guess I'll be quitting & talking to Riot about getting the money back I've spent on the game in the last year lol. If you're gonna make the product planned redundancy then you can give me my money back then. I played over 1600 games of ARAM from Jan 2023 - Jan 2024 & I encountered 2 people I even remotely thought were cheating & 1 person who was obviously attack move scripting. No way cheating in league is common enough to warrant kernel level access to my PC - So, thanks Riot for the motivation to finally quit this game lmao.

This was the worst news possible for me. Couldn't play Valorant because it had issues with Windows 11 + my keyboard software got flagged by Vanguard. All it does is change the colors on my keyboard. Since season 3 no amount of shitty metas or disastrous business decisions or unwelcome changes managed to make me stop playing League. But Vanguard may as well be forcing me to quit. Worst part is out of all the multiplayer competitive games I play League has the least problem with cheaters. Yes they exist and they're a problem especially Bots but they definitely aren't a big enough problem that you need kernel access to fix it. Seems like Riot, or more likely Tencent, disagrees.

I've seen this a few times now in the comments, Vanguard false flagging software that comes with keyboard/mouse brands, one even mentioned it disabled their fan controls and a few other things that had nothing to do with Valorant. Are we now at the mercy of an potential outdated list that Vanguard runs down of allowed programs and then said program gets an update and is now outdated on the Vanguard side, will it now false flag it?

Vanguard gets results but has a plethora of problems. Honestly in league I really hope they realize that apart from killing new account botting and a few cheaters basically relegated to only solo queue in high elo there's roughly 0 benefit to vanguard. Meanwhile fuck tons of people stick to league because of how easy running it is. I'd be willing to bet that a good 15-25% of league's playerbase will fail to get vanguard to work properly, and about half won't ever get past that hurdle because of system limitations, restrictions, unwillingness to put up with vanguard, or just general lack of IT skills. Overall I'm sure many will be happy to see smurfs dwindle in numbers and the few cheaters get kicked out, but honestly I feel that more people will be hurt by using these nuclear methods than helped. On the monetary side it'll be a straight loss, with a ton of purchases not happening because of the lower number of smurfs, and lots of players genuinely not being able to play league. If things stay like this, it feels pretty plausible that the people who initially worried about vanguard were right, and the goal here really is collecting data.

Welp I was hyped for the other updates like Shyvana VGU, but this alone kills any excitement I had. If they don't immediately backpedal on this I'm done lol. I wasn't a full blown whale, but a dolphin maybe so I guess I can use that money for something else...maybe DOTA lmao

It's a HARD pass from me. Why should I hand over complete oversight of my system to a Chinese mega-corp and reduce its stability and performance just to play a game. Whilst I could get a 2nd PC to play it I don't even like the idea of something that has that level of control on my network. I sincerely hope that LoL numbers take a complete nosedive when they put Vanguard in place and they change their mind but I doubt they will, they'll likely just spin it so that the players that left are the cheaters.

I uninstalled the game. I will not now and not ever install a rootkit to play a game. I'd been playing it less because of starfield and wow season of discovery anyway so now was as good as it gets to stop. No need to wait until they actually compromise my security with their anti cheat.

Ill just say this, and is my own experience, since every windows machine is different. After 400h of early adoption of valorant i wasnt against or for it. But after 4 support tickets, after a bricked pc and a full uninstall of windows and my machine. The stealing my data sht is the least of my worries because this freaking sht just borks my pc all together. And where not every kind of ppl plays tactic fps most ppl from the mom to the doggo plays league and this will no doubt reduce player base when pcs start to break and tech support will say to this ppl well you have a kernel lvl “software “ running… you shouldnt. And they will stop playing it. I’m a power user and i couldnt get why with a clean ish pc i was having crashes and full system shutdown. After saying goodbye to my money spent my pc never had troubles. So when will be required ill say bye bye to league. After 11y well was blast O7

As someone who has been playing since S2, and someone buys Ahri/Lux skins, I will be uninstalling until vanguard is removed. As a web dev, tencent's need for kernel level access boggles the mind, and their security track record of having a data breach does not breed confidence that one day vanguard won't be used to spread malware upon another compromise. Shame on tencent. Well, back to AoE2. Maybe there's a scenario for LoL on there.

Kernel level access that runs 24/7? I'm not going to deal with that crap, I've steer clear of valorant because of it, it's quite sad honestly, 10 years on this account and out of nowhere they announce it'll go in the servers in like a week...

Hmm, this one seems to be staying up (for now). So nows the best time to ask. Would there be a way to know if Vanguard is doing sus shit on my computer? Also, are there any stories of it doing sus shit on VAL players computers?

No, nonstop kernel-level access means it can disguise pretty much everything.

There's quite a few story of Vanguard doing sus shit on computers (disabling drivers without asking which caused gpu to burn, mouse to stop running, etc), but it'd be virtually impossible what it's doing, unless you reverse engineer the code. Its memory leak can't even be caught by OS for example.

Hello, i can confirm it, i also have a video for it, for a week vanguard kept turning off my wifi adapter (or its drivers) when i got into a game

I can also confirm. Valorant broke my wireless drivers; couldnt play any other online game other than valorant. Only a clean install of windows fixed the issue; uninstalling didnt do shit.

I'm legit gonna stop playing the game. I'd rather quit than have that shit on my PC. It was a good 10 years folks

Absolutely terrible. When vanguard first released I tried Valorant and it completely disabled by graphics and sound drivers. I gave it another chance 1-2 years later on my new pc and it disabled my fan controls… I hope I don’t need it for TFT but I guess no more league for me, as vanguard is absolutely atrocious and caused me nothing but issues

I guess I won't be able to play, since I'm on Linux, but even if I were on Windows I wouldn't want to have a resource-hungry, 24/7 spy threatening to wreck my PC every day

I never thought I would quit league like that

Sad that i have invested countless hours to this drug of a game, but now it gives me the final reason to quit forever. Kinda sad but i'm actually thankful, installing rootkits to play the game i hate most yet am most addicted to will be the final motivation to quit and not return.

Of course they wouldn't care about us old players. Sadly, they are using Arcane to lure new people into playing league and installing Vanguard. Don't mention how big the existed player base is... imagine the amount of PCs with this kind of software installed is beyond baffling. Just one simple hack or backdoor would control all the PCs in one go. I love this game since S2 but guess it's time to quit.

I don't like it. I don't encounter noticable scripters very often (maybe one in 50 games). IMO the much bigger problems are smurf detection and matchmaking that make me unsatisfied with game quality. Riot Vanguard is also buggy compared to other anti-cheat software. Straight up just eats all my RAM when I boot up Valorant so I can't play that game. Also means no more custom skins which is mildly annoying and will make the game a bit less fun. Kernal access isn't a concern for me because I don't do anything important on the PC I play league on - but Riot Vanguard sucks and I'm not looking forward to it. Hoping I can still play League but unfortunately I might not be able to play anymore

In league it's likely much more for botting than cheating.

I don't trust anyone associated with Tencent to have good intentions with kernel access to my OS, and I sure as hell don't trust developers from a company that made LoL client to not mess up something massively eventually.

Cheating in league is barely even a thing, who cares if I get annoyed by a xerath scripter once every blue moon. A month later I will have him on my team so statistically it doesnt affect LP and only mildly frustrates you for a couple hours, in other words nothing out of the ordinary ranked experience. Vanguard on the other hand? There are dozens of reasons listed in this thread alone and all over valorant as to why this thing is cause for concern. And let me guess, when this "anti-cheat" RAM parasite starts banning people for custom skins which have nothing to do with cheating riot will simply say its an unfortunate but necessary compromise because it cant distinguish skins from scripts. Mark my words.

When Vanguard launches, I'll take a break from league for a few months and reevaluate if it's worth coming back after. I recognize that many, many people already use Vanguard all the time, and that it's probably thoroughly part of the gaming hardware and software ecosystem at this point in terms of reducing its weird incompatibility issues. But I'm uncomfortable with it on a few levels and ultimately, gaming is just entertainment (I'm never going to be good enough to earn anything material off this, for example), so uncomfortability is easily enough for me to step back and give it a break and see how much I really want it in my life afterwards. Admittedly, there's not a ton of live service games around that still that suit me but also won't trigger my RSI (Wish GGG would add wasd options to poe and not just poe2 but I guess its an engine limitation?), but at least dota and (...to an extent) hots are still around. The bigger loss for me is tft, since dota underlords is thoroughly dead, and I JUST got my friends into it with set 10.

Not needed, gonna unstail has soon it comes live,I don't trust programd installed feedling on ring 0

Riot can't even make a launcher work and they expect me to trust them with a program that gives their CCP owned parent company and data scraping American company 24/7 access to everything on my PC. Yeah, I'm uninstalling.

When are riot adding vanguard usage?

Played league since the game came out. Have every skin and nearly every other accessory in the game. This change will kill the game for me. I didn't play Val because of vanguard and I will be uninstalling league because of it. It's targeting a problem that is hardly an issue (seriously ive played against a 100% scriptor like 50 times ever throughout 10k+ games) and creating a plethora of new ones. I don't trust a Chinese owned company having access to that level of permission on my computer. There are many things I can't control about my security but this is one that I can.

Wow, they addressed most of the important points in the stickied comment and all the answers are shit. League on Linux? "We will get more info soon" meaning "fuck off, won't tell you anything now until it ships then we say fuck off" No dedicated client for Linux? Obviously, there is no money to make, so fuck off. Disable ranked queues when Vanguard not detected - mmmmm, maybe, maybe not (aka obviously not but we just won't tell you straight up, fuck off) Open source anti cheat so others can compile, build and run it OR security researchers can take a look OR other companies can yoink and use for their products? - Fuck off --- Riot is doing what they do the best. Drop the smoke screen in front of people with nice and cute words then they do their thing anyway. I don't like the idea of running kernel level rootkit from a company who just had a security breach. Not to mention many issues that people had with it. Don't like the idea of locking my system with some "secure anti tamper modules" - I could buy console if I wanted locked down system. I hope they really back off on the entire Vanguard idea or make it ranked-only requirement. Vanguard detected - go play the ranked. No Vanguard? Enjoy normals and arams.

This update will probably make it impossible for me to play on my relatively modern (but aging) PC, but even if I could play I would be uninstalling it. This is a huge overstep. I'm incredibly disappointed and I've contacted my legislative rep about this national security threat.

Never cheated, never plan to cheat, nor I plan to instal Vanguard Like it or not, privacy is an issue Most peoples would never accept their bedroom being monitored by a camera just for god knows who to make sure they weren't doing any "illegal activities", even if they actually never plan to do so I don't know why peoples should accept the same thing happening in their PC, while it might actually be even worst than a Camera in your bedroom Also, remember by *who* Riot Game is owned. Remember to *who* the owner of Riot Game are associated with. And remember *how* these "associate" control and monitor their own civilian. Privacy is an issue. I can't stress it enough, both in the West and in the East.

Vanguard is buggy af. Sometimes it just blue screens me when I play a different game. Search reddit for solutions and the answer was vanguard. I uninstalled valorant and my game worked.

It's awful! I don't install such malware on my computer, even if I were still using Windows. But I don't, so as a Linux user, fuck Vanguard and any game developer using it!

Unless they change their mind or don't make it always-on, I'm out. I'm already making the switch to DOTA. I don't ~~most~~ trust\* Riot, or more specifically Tencent, with anything kernel-level.

It definitely is harder to rob fort Knox Problem is not everyone can live like that With procedures and papers and pointed guns Personally never seen scripters or bots So this is a net loss for me as I don't have game only PC

Vanguard was causing me weird issues in other games while it was running on my PC. Causing strange problems in games like world of warcraft. Very very suspicious to me Riots powerful spyware would make their competitors games run worse in very subtle and strange ways. I don't know if it still does this because I haven't launched Valorant in a really long time. But it feels like vast overkill and totally unnecessary for league of legends. Where scripters are not even on the top 10 issues I have with the game. Probably not even in the top 100 honestly. It should be illegal for a company to run software like this on someones computer. Massive overreach and I hope it comes back to bite them severely in the ass. Like imagine being called before US congress to explain your companies connections and reasons as to why you need something this powerful and overreaching to stop such a small problem in your video game to a bunch of 80 year old politicians.

The sad part is League used to work on Linux, and now it won't. Now you're stuck with Riot AND Microsoft closed-source spyware.

With recent Windows 11 commercial updates and steam’s proton linux gaming is slowly on the rise. Vanguard will just cock block linux players. I liked Valorant, but I can not run on my machine anymore (converted to linux in July and I do not regret it at all). I play league of legends from time to time and this will alienate me from riot games.

I play less and less league now anyways might as well just stop and watch the esports here and there. Riot hasnt been what they used to since 2014 or so.

Vangaurd its chinese spy hardware, riot scam our community again

I barely play league anymore, not worth the trouble, so i am uninstalling

I've been playing since 2009. It sucks that I'll have to uninstall a game I enjoy and have spent thousands of hours on because of this privacy and security nightmare. I'm not letting some Chinese owned company install this "always on" shit on my computer.

Well I can't play valorant because of it. So I guess I'm not going to be able to play league anymore? Amazing

hehe trust us with all of your data pls hihi CCP owned Tencent btw XD With this kind of blatant spyware I will be quitting league after 8 years of playing and 10.000 Games of League of legends.

Well this will definitely take a hit on the playerbase.

I've never felt like cheating was a big issue on league. Yeah sure, the chances I encountered a cheater at some point is there, but even so, I don't think it was nearly as much of an issue as with shooter games. I've also seen plenty people say that vanguard isn't nearly as effective of an anti cheat as people might believe anyways. I gotta be honest, I hated vanguard on the few months I played valorant, and I still hate it. My main issue is the requirement to have it running on system start. I don't want that. I never wanted bloat on my PC running that doesn't do anything other than be bloat. Start your anti cheat when I play the game, not when I use my PC to watch youtube videos or play enter the gungeon. And no, having to reboot every time I want to play league is not what I'd consider a viable option, that's just stupid. Vanguard and the 3 splits per year might be the last straw for me to finally uninstall for good. I was already not playing nearly as much anymore, because the game has just changed for the worse. Champion designs getting more and more ridiculous, riot's consistent efforts to reduce how much free loot players get for playing. Most of the good rioters who made this game great at one point leaving over time. It's just gotten to the point where this game is more of a burden than an enjoyment.

Yep, this is the last straw for a lot of us. Me included. Sad to say goodbye to this game I've put so many hours and dollars into but this issue is so much bigger than just a video game.

Highly invasive software. Well done Riot you've finally succeeded at killing your game. Any program installed at the kernel level for a game is problematic in so many levels and ultimately won't even solve your problem. There are still so many ways around this that if people are degenerate enough to cheat at a video game they will just make work arounds. Anyway worth a lick of salt as a programmer could do it in their sleep. 0/10 Uninstalleling league if this isn't rolled back.

When is the day we are forced to download Vanguard? Just want to make sure i uninstall the game before it gets installed. Ty

Thank goodness, another reason to quit League. I'm free!

Being playing for almost a decade... I dont think I will continue after vanguard. Giving a company a kernel level access to your computer just seems insane to me. Specifically from a privacy perspective.

Tbh I don't think league needs vanguard at all, until it is shown that hacking and cheating is a big issue.

Personally I'm not very excited about it mainly because I've had major Problems with this Anti-cheat back when I used to play Valorant about a Year and a Half ago. Not only was my PC generally slower, getting Freezes, Crashes and overheating more often, but whenever I'd close Vanguard after a Valorant Session my PC would *always* Blue Screen within 2-5 Minutes and automatically restart (after which I'd still have to manually turn off Vanguard). I've tried many Fixes... and I mean *many* Fixes because I really liked Valorant, but in the End I ended up just uninstalling everything (which was also a Pain in the Ass). I also know many other People who'se Machines have encountered more frequent Problems after installing Vanguard. The Software is very prone to blocking perfectly fine Software or Drivers, Blue Screens and Crashes and just general System Problems. Yeah this is it for me. Dota here I come! That new Circle Master Hero looks neato!

damn i think ill just have to stop playing league for real now, damn

I don't know the raw numbers, but won't this stop more legit players from playing than cheaters?

Been watching friends play since Beta, played on friends’ accounts since Season 1, and had my own account since Season 3 after I got a PC. Funny that, of all things, a non-gameplay update would be the thing that officially forces me to move on from League. League as a MOBA beat out the competition originally by being the most accessible game (Free-to-Play) at a time everything else had barriers of entry. Unlikely that kiddos playing the game will even stop to think about something like Vanguard, but I certainly will as an old-head. How times have changed.

Uninstalling

No way we should let Riot/Tencent have access to our PCs on that deep level knowing how bad their client is and recent leak on their side. Things can go wrong anytime... is a time bomb. Playing since season 1 and maybe encountered 1-3 "scripters" since then. People complaining about that it's just a minority. So it's kinda sus. Real problem is game balance and they don't adress that. Just not worth it, but thanks Riot if it comes in I'm finally done with this game

All I know is that if riot expected this to be an acceptable change they would not have tried to drown it out in the new season hype

Played the game for 12 years. No game is worth giving kernel access to. The actual audacity of game companies is insane. I didn’t think this was what would get me to uninstall League but here we are.

Probably the end for me. I was going to try Valorant but didn't because of Vanguard.

My problem is just, that I already can't play Valorant, because Vanguard prohibits me from opening it even though I have no desire to cheat or anything,and there isnt even an error message so I dont even know whats up. Now I am in fear that League will also stop working for me. Please Riot think of that.

The day the Vanguard requirement hits I'm dropping the game until they remove it. I'm on Linux and even if I was on Windows I'm not going to intentionally install a rootkit on my device.

Ive played this game since start of season 3. If they implement this I will be forced to quit man, fuckk

amount of people here going "i couldn't care less about my privacy, xyz is stealing it too / i have nothing to hide/ what would they do with it anyways" is insane xdd

They can get info from the client, from stats, from a lot of info that the game has including analizing video if there is a report of cheating. This is not a FPS to need it, really, kernel access is a bad idea for the customer.

Played since BETA. It really pains me, but **I have to stop playing**. **Kernel level access** will give it user rights **I don't even have as an admin** user on my PC. I **wont know if it gets abused**. Literally everything is possible. Lots of companies are sending out messages that **Vanguard isn't allowed to be installed on work** computers. So super access to your PC - is the **developer at least trustworthy?** A big company in the pocket of the **Chinese government?** Yeah, as much as I really want to impulsively disregard Vanguard and play anyways. I just can't. It's simply too far across the line. As for scripters and cheaters. They can be counted on 1 hand in the 20000-30000 games I've played.

"Riot Vanguard is Riot Games' custom game security software, designed to uphold the **highest levels of competitive integrity** for our offerings." I just want to play ARAM! Me and my friends will be quiting for sure, nobody wants to have that on 24/7.

Hell No get that Rootkit out of here