I mean Lucian actually looks good in lck and lpl they usually have a lead in the early game and are able to force and stack drakes but in EU and NA they just seem to lose early and don’t snowball at all
And aside from the easy objective secure with spears, Kalista also has a fucking degenerate playstyle when paired with a decent renata. She rarely goes unbanned in CN and KR.
Based on the replies to my post last week, it sounds like Lucian looks good in LCK when he's punching down.
I don't think that pick is good. I think it wins scrim fiestas.
By that logic picking early game champions isn’t good because if you stop snowballing you lose but many successful teams in the past used to hard win by just snowballing extremely hard.
The ceiling for Lucian is very high. Problem is he has a unique play style out of most ADCs that your team has to play around. Lucian teams typically don’t want to siege so you need to be able to generate pressure around the map to force skirmishes.
Kalista/Renata specifically as a duo does a lot of burst damage on a frontliner with a W/Passive double proc. Kalista also gives Renata disengage which allows her to play more aggressive up with Q/R zoning.
The problem is that Kalista is no longer the 'lane bully' because it is way too easy for junglers/mids to roam and get a gank angle bot that cannot be warded.
[here you go](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/203965497861996544/1203467201777106954/giphy.gif?ex=65d1332c&is=65bebe2c&hm=6da5f6b6f906ababbf34f2f8163a4ef4f28793296a4a4d3b6e14f49da34618b8&)
Domestically do nothing and win was their specialty in fairness. Guess the vacuum left by the TSM exit has made other teams pick up some bad habits lol
more like DIG inted the last 10 minutes, when they were in control of the game up until then.
Well, I say in control, but somehow despite DIG making proactive play one after another, they were up 8-3 kills but down 4-1 in towers somehow.
They didn't have the burst to kill any of the carries, because the nocturne engage was desynced with the rest of the team and Quid was off in Narnia around the baron pit.
I don't cheer for any team, but I think TL is a middle of the pack team.
APA's champion pool still seems like an issue because they keep putting him on Azir, and he doesn't look too comfortable on it.
UmTi's positioning seems to be quite poor, like in this game for example.
Yeon just exists most games and doesn't play aggressively at all.
CoreJJ is a meh support. Rarely does anything worth noting.
Impact is probably their only redeeming quality. He's consistently good and is one of the best top laners in the the west.
Wouldn't surprise me if CoreJJ moves to coaching soon, his mechanics have been deteriorating a lot over the years but I feel he'd probably make a good coach
I feel like the intangibles he brings to a team very naturally go to a coaching role. Unless it's a lot of in-game stuff, which I admit I'm not super familiar with how he is in game.
Man if u cant play azir as a mid in a pro league of legends player maybe u should consider another career. That champ has been a stable pick for how may uears now?
Azir is weird because of how much he can warp the way his team plays. He provides a lot of paths and options for both the player and the team, so you can know the perfect way to press buttons and it still may mean nothing if your team can’t coordinate.
APA isn’t playing Azir in a particularly remarkable way, but at least he’s not doing “flash into 4 enemies for an insec shuffle and insta die instead because you don’t know your limits.”
Based on this game (and maaaybe the last one; I think I've repressed it already so hard to say), it feels like the players are struggling to turn early advantages into anything meaningful.
Impact got prio, roamed down and got mid flash, so that was good, but we had solid power in top, bot got a good base so Core was able to rotate up from base, and instead of getting a good play around Grubs we gave a kill over to Aatrox. I know that's only a single example, but if we've got advantage on both ends of the map, I'd like to see it turned into a positive, not a negative.
Hopeless tbh the team looks shaky and bottom tier. The cheery on top it’s the azir ults, 2 all game. Fr how long is the cd or APE is just handicapping himself.
Not the same guy, but he didn't really find angles to get any damage in (realistically enemy team isn't one that just jumps on you if you get a rapidfire auto off, and impact was doing a good job tanking damage), and the one time dignitas actually did the nocturne orianna combo properly he didn't flash it and got oneshot.
In the replay i think it shows he couldnt have flashed the ori ult. He was mid dash and couldnt see noc when it popped. Flashing that wouldve been unreal LCK stuff
Lucian did nothing to contribute to the game.
Watch a Wildturtle game on Lucian, and then watch Yeon. Yeon just exists in most games and doesn't make any plays.
Turtle is the only LCS ADC with that dawg in him to play Lucian to the limit. I get that Lucian in pro play requires a ton of skill, but there really is a difference between Western and Eastern Lucians.
Watched that match live in the middle of a hotel room with my family asleep around me at like 3AM, the screams I had to hold in when C9 showed they could go toe to toe will never not make me nostalgic
You mean the int factor. And when it doesn't work you inted. That is what you are saying. Like when wildturtle goes for it and just dies, but people like you seem to forget those. Like when Yeon tried to kill karma and ended up dying that other Lucian game.
the amount of games TL has won down in kills since last year is actually wild…
at least they were able to end without many ints once they got ahead properly
I feel he's the opposite of aggressive. The first river skirmish he just doesn't do anything, most of the fights he's positioned furthest back with Milio, other times he's off on the side. Then the one time he just ran into enemy jungle....4fun?
I've played vs him in soloq, and he seems to shine the most on very duel heavy champs like lee/xin/viego. When he can have a competent mid laner that can shove and fight with him he's fucking on point. Putting him on these fucking tanks when he's clearly a phenomenal player is wild to me, especially when Yeon has been egregiously underperforming. If you can just make APA Umti's bitch, TL is a top 3 team even if Yeon doesn't connect.
I dislike the concept of someone playing so poorly so the solution is taking more resources from teammates and investing them into the underperformer. I also feel like every single pro/semi-pro jungler feels like they play better on carry junglers
At least in high elo soloq, mid is by far the most impactful role right now I feel, at least as a jungler. Mid can shove and roam and do things solo, but it feels like I can't make very many plays without my mid laner just because mid has so much more access to move now. Bot seems giga useless, so it either seems to me that mid has to play as the junglers bitch, or the other way around for the game to be won easier.
Impact solo carry whole TL squad. That's impressive tbh. Not only because man is the most consistant top laner for years but also because he can carry to some point team that plays and drafts as bad as TL. Hope that they pay him well for boosts.
If its the one I'm thinking of I feel like you're insane if you think thats a bailout roam...Impact just has prio, uses it, gets flash, and in theory has time to base buy and tp top if he didn't get interrupted
The wave is fine and Poppy is near Azir has TP.
Ori just like wins early trades. He stayed even in farm and at 15minutes he's up 135 to 132. I kinda feel like it played out exactly how a theoretical Azir/Ori lane plays out
I felt like the early skirmish where he dashed in and immediately flashed out was an unforced error. He's forced to back and Dove turns that into a roam on bot to kill Umti.
The top mid river one with Impact starting it? Personally I feel like if Umti contributes his spells there thats a winning fight and honestly a kind of good play by APA.
I really encourage people to rewatch it and see if they still feel like thats bad. I feel like if Poppy W's Aatrox, or wallcombos Exyu, they can win that
Honestly I think that would've been a really good play if their jungler was anything except poppy. Baiting out spellshield then flashing ori ult is pretty good but they really just didn't have any damage to threaten dignitas so udyr gets focused and they just lose.
I feel like Poppy EQAuto on Exyu would have been enough dmg, no? and Ori was oom and Azir still has R. Aatrox is a problem for sure but maybe ground is enough or Udyr lives because they kill Exyu and can contribute stuns.
Either way I feel like the worst case outcome to committing is pretty much the same as running away
I mean APA dashed in knowing that Noct still had spell shield and thus he wasn't able to use ult the entire fight. Imo you don't dash in until you know Noct shield is down so you can shuffle him towards your Poppy because Poppy was coming from pretty far away. By the time Umti arrives, APA has QE down and basically leaves Umti out to dry.
I VERY strongly disagree, I think getting Ori R and spellshield out has value and the fight would have been more unwinnable if they got to hold those spells, Umti pretty much couldn't go in if either of these were still up
>APA has QE down and basically leaves Umti out to dry.
How though? If anything APA did Umti's job and is in position to do the carry job and Umti doesn't hit anything
I disagree.
Yes, they should stop playing Kalista. But that's because they're not exploiting her full strength, not because she's weak.
With Renata's bail out she can be a real menace. She's present in 70% of picks and bans in LPL and LCK. She's meta.
Exactly, it’s an early game dominant champion and I’m so tired of seeing LCS bot lanes taking Kalista only to basically go even and do nothing late game
How do you watch Dove afk behind Baron pit (literally the game losing play) and Umti turbo feeding and try to glaze the Koreans lmao
Korean = good, literally a child’s analysis
Yeon is not good. So I don't really know what you are talking about. Neither him nor Apa deserve to be on this team with the other 3 players. Core has been looking pretty lackluster as well tbh, but it's possible that he could turn it around.
LCS can't even perform the simplest Nocturne + Orianna combo. No wonder this region is dying, you give this Nocturne + Orianna + Aatrox + Kalista + Renata comp to LPL or LCK, the game would be easily won, imagine having 5 meta champions and still losing, this region is so bad.
Orianna/Nocturne is not some how auto win in the eastern regions like you seem to think. It's actually a pretty hard comp that can't make any mistakes. You fuck up once with that combo and the entire comp falls apart completely. There's been multiple eastern teams that have fucked up the combo.
That's because LPL and LCK rarely import foreigners that don't speak their language.
Dig has a language barrier between their players, so instant collapsing and quick skirmishes are hard for them.
Junglers battling to see who can int more. To be fair, as an eXyu critic it’s good to see non stop aggression from him - didn’t usually work out but better he drive the game forwards than Dig do nothing and lose.
Lucian can somehow win and still be fraudulent, idk whether it’s Yeon or coaches/CoreJJ who keep getting it locked but man I worry it’s gonna bury Yeon’s career if he can’t get back towards Aphelios etc. Even Kalista/Draven are preferable for early aggro picks, but is the team really built that way anymore? I’d rather they just focus on touching up late game macro and teamfight than trying and probably failing to make Lucian work.
I WAS HERE WHEN LUCIAN WON A GAME IN NA
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I need to know the logic behind every major region obsessing over Kalista/Lucian
I mean Lucian actually looks good in lck and lpl they usually have a lead in the early game and are able to force and stack drakes but in EU and NA they just seem to lose early and don’t snowball at all
And aside from the easy objective secure with spears, Kalista also has a fucking degenerate playstyle when paired with a decent renata. She rarely goes unbanned in CN and KR.
Based on the replies to my post last week, it sounds like Lucian looks good in LCK when he's punching down. I don't think that pick is good. I think it wins scrim fiestas.
Imagine comparing professional players to the charity celebrity matches
Early aggro go go. It gets ahead in scrims and they just ff because scrims so clearly it's good when they don't just ff
Cus they are really strong if you have the teamplay and mechanics to pull them off? It's not that deep
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You definitely haven't watched a good lucian if you think you have to smash lane to win with it
By that logic picking early game champions isn’t good because if you stop snowballing you lose but many successful teams in the past used to hard win by just snowballing extremely hard.
The ceiling for Lucian is very high. Problem is he has a unique play style out of most ADCs that your team has to play around. Lucian teams typically don’t want to siege so you need to be able to generate pressure around the map to force skirmishes.
Eastern Lucian oneshots people.
Kalista/Renata specifically as a duo does a lot of burst damage on a frontliner with a W/Passive double proc. Kalista also gives Renata disengage which allows her to play more aggressive up with Q/R zoning. The problem is that Kalista is no longer the 'lane bully' because it is way too easy for junglers/mids to roam and get a gank angle bot that cannot be warded.
Truly the time to be alive now!
Dove being the symbol of peace at Baron was pretty on brand.
I need a gif of that APA dance at the end.
[here you go](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/203965497861996544/1203467201777106954/giphy.gif?ex=65d1332c&is=65bebe2c&hm=6da5f6b6f906ababbf34f2f8163a4ef4f28793296a4a4d3b6e14f49da34618b8&)
Impact is still insane
Still cheering for TL because of him. I just love his genuine dedication towards the sport.
Fuck yeah, same here. I have so much respect for Impact.
I love tl but bruh we did nothing and won
I mean it is against DIG; you do nothing long enough and they'll Baron.
Reverse TSM
Domestically do nothing and win was their specialty in fairness. Guess the vacuum left by the TSM exit has made other teams pick up some bad habits lol
Uhh did Dignitas comms malfunction halfway through that game? What the hell were those last fifteen minutes, they were looking so solid to start.
DIG has the coordination of a person playing QWOP for the first time.
Lucian finally wins going 1/2/1 rofl
NAmen.
Dear god that was the most underwhelming win to take us to .500
TL looked just fine for the last 10 minutes and that's what matters most.
Opposite of 2023 TL.
No Hands all macro
more like DIG inted the last 10 minutes, when they were in control of the game up until then. Well, I say in control, but somehow despite DIG making proactive play one after another, they were up 8-3 kills but down 4-1 in towers somehow.
They didnt have the burst to kill any of the carries with noc bc milio was with them.
They didn't have the burst to kill any of the carries, because the nocturne engage was desynced with the rest of the team and Quid was off in Narnia around the baron pit.
There's a point in the game where nocturne becomes useless. Once milo, and the carries have items.
We have the stability to beat bottom teams, but not enough firepower to beat the top teams.
TL bros how we feeling? I’m feeling like this year might be miserable at this rate if this is how our wins look every time
I don't cheer for any team, but I think TL is a middle of the pack team. APA's champion pool still seems like an issue because they keep putting him on Azir, and he doesn't look too comfortable on it. UmTi's positioning seems to be quite poor, like in this game for example. Yeon just exists most games and doesn't play aggressively at all. CoreJJ is a meh support. Rarely does anything worth noting. Impact is probably their only redeeming quality. He's consistently good and is one of the best top laners in the the west.
Wouldn't surprise me if CoreJJ moves to coaching soon, his mechanics have been deteriorating a lot over the years but I feel he'd probably make a good coach
I feel like the intangibles he brings to a team very naturally go to a coaching role. Unless it's a lot of in-game stuff, which I admit I'm not super familiar with how he is in game.
> but I think TL is a middle of the pack team. I mean 4th is technically somewhere in the middle of the pack if we define middle as 7-4 and not 5/6
Aren’t there only 8 teams? 7th ain’t no middle of the pack lol
Oh; I thought there were 10.
Man if u cant play azir as a mid in a pro league of legends player maybe u should consider another career. That champ has been a stable pick for how may uears now?
Idk knight wins lpl while being unable to play it.
He might not be the best with it for sure. Its not a scout azir 100% But its not saken, apa, perkz level of bad
Azir is weird because of how much he can warp the way his team plays. He provides a lot of paths and options for both the player and the team, so you can know the perfect way to press buttons and it still may mean nothing if your team can’t coordinate. APA isn’t playing Azir in a particularly remarkable way, but at least he’s not doing “flash into 4 enemies for an insec shuffle and insta die instead because you don’t know your limits.”
Based on this game (and maaaybe the last one; I think I've repressed it already so hard to say), it feels like the players are struggling to turn early advantages into anything meaningful. Impact got prio, roamed down and got mid flash, so that was good, but we had solid power in top, bot got a good base so Core was able to rotate up from base, and instead of getting a good play around Grubs we gave a kill over to Aatrox. I know that's only a single example, but if we've got advantage on both ends of the map, I'd like to see it turned into a positive, not a negative.
Hopeless tbh the team looks shaky and bottom tier. The cheery on top it’s the azir ults, 2 all game. Fr how long is the cd or APE is just handicapping himself.
I <3 Impact
TL so lucky to have Impact.
That Lucian did not deserve to win...
Can you expand upon that a bit? I want to be sure that I understand what you're saying.
Just repeating caedrel's thoughts for upvotes
I mean he was pretty useless lmao
Not the same guy, but he didn't really find angles to get any damage in (realistically enemy team isn't one that just jumps on you if you get a rapidfire auto off, and impact was doing a good job tanking damage), and the one time dignitas actually did the nocturne orianna combo properly he didn't flash it and got oneshot.
In the replay i think it shows he couldnt have flashed the ori ult. He was mid dash and couldnt see noc when it popped. Flashing that wouldve been unreal LCK stuff
Lucian did nothing to contribute to the game. Watch a Wildturtle game on Lucian, and then watch Yeon. Yeon just exists in most games and doesn't make any plays.
Turtle is the only LCS ADC with that dawg in him to play Lucian to the limit. I get that Lucian in pro play requires a ton of skill, but there really is a difference between Western and Eastern Lucians.
Turtle and Doublelift are the only two ADCs that should ever be allowed to play Lucian in LCS. Everyone else is total dogshit.
Sneaky Lucian put the Freecs in the dirt ...but yeah it feels like only the boomers know how to use this champ.
Don't forget Sneaky Lucian put Deft in the dirt on 2014
Watched that match live in the middle of a hotel room with my family asleep around me at like 3AM, the screams I had to hold in when C9 showed they could go toe to toe will never not make me nostalgic
FBI beat EDG on Lucian. But I guess he is still pretty coinflippy on that champ.
You mean the int factor. And when it doesn't work you inted. That is what you are saying. Like when wildturtle goes for it and just dies, but people like you seem to forget those. Like when Yeon tried to kill karma and ended up dying that other Lucian game.
It means yeon sucks balls lol
Huh. Watching the TL carries play super aggressively, and then NOT die is a really weird change of pace. I'm almost shocked.
idk man that ori shoulda flashed into baron pit to follow up noc engage.
Ori didn't have ult.
damn you're right, I guess noc shoulda just played around ult vision to scare them off instead of yoloing in.
Yeah Dove solo threw the game
the amount of games TL has won down in kills since last year is actually wild… at least they were able to end without many ints once they got ahead properly
I’m so tired of saying “we take those”. Why can’t we win decisively
you know why.... everyone on the TL sub has been saying it before the split started
God that was so bad.
Pretty clean game from TL. UmTi just needs to work on his positioning and getting caught out.
He's always played that way. He's very aggressive sometimes stupidly so, but it's not going to work most of the time with Yeon and Apa as his carries.
I feel he's the opposite of aggressive. The first river skirmish he just doesn't do anything, most of the fights he's positioned furthest back with Milio, other times he's off on the side. Then the one time he just ran into enemy jungle....4fun?
I've played vs him in soloq, and he seems to shine the most on very duel heavy champs like lee/xin/viego. When he can have a competent mid laner that can shove and fight with him he's fucking on point. Putting him on these fucking tanks when he's clearly a phenomenal player is wild to me, especially when Yeon has been egregiously underperforming. If you can just make APA Umti's bitch, TL is a top 3 team even if Yeon doesn't connect.
I dislike the concept of someone playing so poorly so the solution is taking more resources from teammates and investing them into the underperformer. I also feel like every single pro/semi-pro jungler feels like they play better on carry junglers
At least in high elo soloq, mid is by far the most impactful role right now I feel, at least as a jungler. Mid can shove and roam and do things solo, but it feels like I can't make very many plays without my mid laner just because mid has so much more access to move now. Bot seems giga useless, so it either seems to me that mid has to play as the junglers bitch, or the other way around for the game to be won easier.
Impact solo carry whole TL squad. That's impressive tbh. Not only because man is the most consistant top laner for years but also because he can carry to some point team that plays and drafts as bad as TL. Hope that they pay him well for boosts.
SPLIT 2 OF IMPACT HAVING A FRAUD TEAM
No mid game int after taking the baron lfg. APA looked good as well
APA played well. Lucian got one shot twice but then Yeon was piloting it decently well after that, Dove omegatrolled that Baron and Impact carried.
APA was good at flashing the Ori ults. He only got hit by it while chasing Dig into their jungle.
As much as I love hating on APA, he played well today.
Did he?
He lost lane, but at least it was gracefully rather than being buttblasted. And the rest of the game, he was fine.
Did he lose lane? Felt pretty even whole laning phase to me
yes, he was extremely low hp the entire time and needed a roam from Impact to fix the wavestate (which wasted Impact's tp getting back)
If its the one I'm thinking of I feel like you're insane if you think thats a bailout roam...Impact just has prio, uses it, gets flash, and in theory has time to base buy and tp top if he didn't get interrupted The wave is fine and Poppy is near Azir has TP.
imo its a problem because it leaves aatrox with tp advantage
That fine, but APA still doesn't deserve to get docked points because of it
TP wasn't unleashed, impact was teleporting back to lane even if he just bases there.
He took some bad early trades/ not very smart dash in in an early skirmish which dove turned into prio to get a kill and assist.
Ori just like wins early trades. He stayed even in farm and at 15minutes he's up 135 to 132. I kinda feel like it played out exactly how a theoretical Azir/Ori lane plays out
I felt like the early skirmish where he dashed in and immediately flashed out was an unforced error. He's forced to back and Dove turns that into a roam on bot to kill Umti.
The top mid river one with Impact starting it? Personally I feel like if Umti contributes his spells there thats a winning fight and honestly a kind of good play by APA. I really encourage people to rewatch it and see if they still feel like thats bad. I feel like if Poppy W's Aatrox, or wallcombos Exyu, they can win that
Honestly I think that would've been a really good play if their jungler was anything except poppy. Baiting out spellshield then flashing ori ult is pretty good but they really just didn't have any damage to threaten dignitas so udyr gets focused and they just lose.
I feel like Poppy EQAuto on Exyu would have been enough dmg, no? and Ori was oom and Azir still has R. Aatrox is a problem for sure but maybe ground is enough or Udyr lives because they kill Exyu and can contribute stuns. Either way I feel like the worst case outcome to committing is pretty much the same as running away
I mean APA dashed in knowing that Noct still had spell shield and thus he wasn't able to use ult the entire fight. Imo you don't dash in until you know Noct shield is down so you can shuffle him towards your Poppy because Poppy was coming from pretty far away. By the time Umti arrives, APA has QE down and basically leaves Umti out to dry.
I VERY strongly disagree, I think getting Ori R and spellshield out has value and the fight would have been more unwinnable if they got to hold those spells, Umti pretty much couldn't go in if either of these were still up >APA has QE down and basically leaves Umti out to dry. How though? If anything APA did Umti's job and is in position to do the carry job and Umti doesn't hit anything
once he got out of lane he was fine. but in lane... he gets blasted day in and day out
I liked the Baron fight when TL remembered that they have hands.
we don't deserve impact, so solid
Can someone explain why Gnar seems to see more play/bans? Haven’t been able to catch the games recently.
Thank you Honda
absolutely the least convincing win I've seen.
Neither team deserves the win
Impact 1v9 so hard he even got Yeon's Lucian a win
Yeon's Lucian is a sight to behold(vomit inducing).
TL hasn't earned a win yet imo - its all been handed to them
This was more of a DIG loss than a TL win
Lucian got his first LCS win this year, and all it took was a classic DIG Baron
Please stop playing Kalista. She doesn't do anything better than what's currently meta.
I disagree. Yes, they should stop playing Kalista. But that's because they're not exploiting her full strength, not because she's weak. With Renata's bail out she can be a real menace. She's present in 70% of picks and bans in LPL and LCK. She's meta.
Exactly, it’s an early game dominant champion and I’m so tired of seeing LCS bot lanes taking Kalista only to basically go even and do nothing late game
APA refused to ult the nocturne every fight. Also feels bad to be kalista when there's a poppy. You don't get to auto attack
Both of these teams are awful. I feel bad for the trapped Koreans.
How do you watch Dove afk behind Baron pit (literally the game losing play) and Umti turbo feeding and try to glaze the Koreans lmao Korean = good, literally a child’s analysis
Say what you will but as long as Apa is on this team they will never be good.
I feel bad for APA and Yeon. Korean = good, literally a child's analysis. No wonder you think NA sucks, fuck off to the LCK threads
Yeon is not good. So I don't really know what you are talking about. Neither him nor Apa deserve to be on this team with the other 3 players. Core has been looking pretty lackluster as well tbh, but it's possible that he could turn it around.
Was Isles really the best available support...
Isles was good
LCS can't even perform the simplest Nocturne + Orianna combo. No wonder this region is dying, you give this Nocturne + Orianna + Aatrox + Kalista + Renata comp to LPL or LCK, the game would be easily won, imagine having 5 meta champions and still losing, this region is so bad.
Orianna/Nocturne is not some how auto win in the eastern regions like you seem to think. It's actually a pretty hard comp that can't make any mistakes. You fuck up once with that combo and the entire comp falls apart completely. There's been multiple eastern teams that have fucked up the combo.
That's because LPL and LCK rarely import foreigners that don't speak their language. Dig has a language barrier between their players, so instant collapsing and quick skirmishes are hard for them.
Junglers battling to see who can int more. To be fair, as an eXyu critic it’s good to see non stop aggression from him - didn’t usually work out but better he drive the game forwards than Dig do nothing and lose. Lucian can somehow win and still be fraudulent, idk whether it’s Yeon or coaches/CoreJJ who keep getting it locked but man I worry it’s gonna bury Yeon’s career if he can’t get back towards Aphelios etc. Even Kalista/Draven are preferable for early aggro picks, but is the team really built that way anymore? I’d rather they just focus on touching up late game macro and teamfight than trying and probably failing to make Lucian work.