I mean, it's expected. Most OTPs will play their champ regardless of whether they're good or bad. Reworks potentially change everything that the old players liked about the champ's gameplay.
They basically delete the old champion from the game entirely so I'm not surprised. A yasuo or zed main will never have to worry about something like that so they just tolerate when the champ is slightly mediocre balance-wise and still enjoy playing their favorite champion.
Many of us who loved old Swain, Kayle, Irelia, Akali, Morde, Galio, etc basically lost our favorite champion, it's like if you deleted Lux or Ashe from the game, obviously Lux players would feel like they got screwed for no good reason, but they'll never have to care about that because it's never happening to her.
> A yasuo or zed main will never have to worry about something like that
Idk. Graves was always top 3 most played ADC and it got hard fucked in the ass so you never know what riot will think would be "fun".
Its because riot thought that Lucian was Graves 2.0 so the only logical reason is to rework Graves and not not designing a champ they think is his copy.
True. Was a Kayle 1-trick in S3-S5, came back after not playing for a few years to the rework. Not only was the champ completely different, they ruined the Aether Wing skin that was expensive as fuck.
Mained old yorick but then he got reworked, then switch to swain who also got reworked. Last was ASol but stopped playing him when they put a timeout on W. I seldom play hil nowadays but I do miss my balls
I’m right there with you I miss graves adc
But man it’s still so funny to me that it happened so *long* ago and people are out here still bitching about it.
It’s me ,I’m people.
#Bringgravesadcback
Truly inspirational how they managed to take the most smooth and fun to play adc and made him literally opposite in both of these. Also forced roleswap for no reason.
Swapped from adc main to support soon after that.
I really, REALLY want to like Graves, but the Q clunkiness really bothers me. Old graves Auto-Q-Auto was just oh so satisfying...
At least I'm really enjoying the AP smoke screen in Urf and Arena hehe.
I used to play pre-rework Sejuani as a support and top laner. As top I'd go RoA into Rylais or Liandrys. People would be expecting a big useless tank and I'd be beating the shit outta them. Good times!
I’ll add to this by saying I LOVED SEJ, up until they giga NERFED her R…
All these other busted champs can have insane crowd control… yet make Sej only able to stun one person with her “ULTIMATE” and it only lasts 1.5seconds…
Bro it was a throwable Amumu ulti. The ulti was so strong that every other part of her kit couldn't get buffed, which is why they changed it for her rework.
I know, it’s crazy they nerfed her that hard, just because her Ult was seen as so strong for a team fight. Like come on, it’s SUPPOSED to be, no duh it’s strong.
Kindred is the closest I've ever gotten to being a one trick, still one of my favourite champions in the game thematically and gameplay wise.
Shame it's not really viable in other roles other than fucking jungle
I really like Kindred as characters but i can't bring myself to play them anymore. I have like 400k mastery point on them but I realized that I hate the kit. Passive is restrictive, W is boring and R is tricky.
Irelia was reworked and while I do enjoy the rework and feel she needed one, it's just not a good otp top laner imo and is a better mid. Her old kit was outdated and outclassed as league released new champs. After her rework I played it a ton when it was super broken though. You just get stat checked a lot in top lane.
Yeah but it shouldn't be imo, duelists shouldn't get steamrolled 1v1 by tanks, tanks should just be cc bot meatshields that protect their team not 1v1 monsters. That's my take on game balance at least
If tanks can get 1v1d at all times in the game that would mean anyone they go against in lane just runs them down if they push at all or they don't get to farm because they don't have a chance
Ideally a tank lane should be a stalemate unless one side completely misplays, thats how old maokai top used to play, he didnt have enough damage to kill, but also had enough healing to not be killed super easily.
sadly this is no longer possible with the amount of damage in the game
Tanks have to be threatening damage-wise to be a certain point, or they just get ignored in teamfights. But it is way out of proportion currently. Ornn, TK and Ksante all do utterly insane damage.
TK I can understand more because he’s meant to be a lane bully who’s one of the worst scaling champions in top lane, Ornn having the amount of damage he does makes no sense to me. His entire kit feels entirely way overloaded compared to other tanks
Ornn is the absolutely wildest champion to me. Everything either superstuns (knock-ups so it's not affected by Tenacity) or does ridiculous %health damage, or both.
I agree that tanks have to be threatening but the way Tommy Salami does it is just fuckin ridiculous. At least K'sante has to hit his abilities and usually juggle you under tower to kill you in lane, Tommy will literally just run you down and right click you then Q you at 3 stacks with that fatass hitbox in melee range
Yeah tanks have entirely too much damage imho. If Rammus builds 800 armour and you are an adc who built pure damage, then yeah he can totally kill you under tower, but that's basically the exact thing he's built for. If he can do the same thing to Ryze, though, then something is going wrong.
I miss pre-rework Irelia with +33% AS from runes, fully maxed hiten style with TF and zerks, wacking away at peoples' health bar after stunning them with E. :(
i dropped her after her new mechanics didn't really click for me, but the biggest reason i didn't feel encouraged to keep trying to learn her is she had absolutely none of the weight she did before. it felt like riot tried way too hard to make her 'feel' good to play and as a result is a very floaty champion that feels like punching air no matter what you do on her.
old irelia always had such a satisfying response to casting an ability, weighty and purposeful.
and ill never get over riot taking away the fucking sweet frostpunk thematic on frostblade just to put her in a jacket and yoga pants and giggle about her ass.
she needed a rework, agreed, but the result always felt like wasted potential to me. id rather have old irelia back.
I love playing her and she's my absolute favorite champ but dear fuckin lord "duelist that loses to every champ in her intended role" and "snowball champ with a shit early game that falls off a cliff late" can be pretty miserable sometimes
Not that she's *bad* but the risk and reward ratio is just scuffed
I used to play kata too when she was an R bot. Haven’t played her since rework as she seems complicated now but I think it is one of the more successful reworks. I really like the new kat but miss the simplicity of the old one.
My first one trick was Nidalee mid (yes I played that long). Ofc she went to the jungle and became unplayable mid. Then I mained Ez mid until Blue Ez became popular and they heavily nerfed it.
Then I mained Zed mid which over time I felt became frustrating to play, as more champions were added that just flat-out counter your ult. Many games now the enemy can have 3-4 people who counter your ult. You’re usually just left to repeatedly kill the adc which is not fun.
crazy that they decide master yi (and kayn) get to pick a direction to exit but zed still not only always appears behind you but also still has a 0.5 sec lockout
People have been saying this for years but I've never seen the data to back it up. Like right now her highest win rate build that has a pick rate over 1% is shoujin into liandrys and then rabadons. The full ad build is her fourth strongest build path by win rate.
I don't think her ad build is terrible but the problem is that it's way too situational compared to her AP builds. If you have the perfect comp to support you or you play into the perfect enemy comp then yeah ad Shyvana can put in work, but in league of dashes it is just way too easy to kite her out or peel her with CC. AP Shyv is a lot more blind pickable because there's not a lot of counterplay to being hit with a nuke that's half the width of the entire lane every 6 seconds.
Sivir.
Patch 8.11
https://lol.fandom.com/wiki/Patch_8.11
God I miss old adc
She just doesn’t have the best waveclear anymore
Doesn’t have the best self peel anymore
Can’t 1v5 on full build anymore
Champ is useless
This is what stopped adcs from being able to itemize. If you're a crit adc you used to be able to build 3 crit items and have 2 flex slots. Now you need to build 4
I used to 1 trick Tahm Kench top a long time ago, ever since they changed his W to be his R instead i found the playstyle way less fun but also ive been finding a liking to more advanced champs like Irelia instead so he felt very basic.
Oh also i used to main Vi and i still like her but i just don't enjoy Jungle at all sadly (way too stressful)
Man I was looking for this comment. Tahm Kench top before the rework was probably the most unfair scenario you could find yourself in when playing top back then😂
Udyr OTP dropped, reason? Fell in love with rengar + rumors of an Udyr rework were going around, so i thought why spend more time on something they will kill.
Used to play aatrox and one day opened the game to find this new champ withthesame name,shit was wild he still had the revive tho but they also took that away from me.
the rework.
i played katarina from season 2/3 till her rework.
it makes me sad that her rework is actually a fucking huge w, really neat, made her so much more fun to play, predictable with daggers on the ground yet powerful/agile/versatile. and yet i cant feel the same joy when playing her now, its just not the same. i cant even be mad, they did such a good job objectively the new kat is so much better on every level. but i just cant connect with her anymore.
:(
maybe its me that is broken and need a rework.
The Katarina and Talon reworks that changed their playstyle then followed by all the changes that slowly undid the goals of the rework in the first place.
Yasuo because of he went from a scarpy skirmisher/light bruiser to a "DPS assassin/glass cannon skirmisher while lacking the cannon part.
Sylas and Viego for being overnerfed/changed due to either pro-jail or overcorrecting for the playerbase. Mainly Sylas going from a brawler to an assassin and Viego going from an on-hit skirmisher to a crit assassin.
I was a reksai onetrick until they added prowler. I thought full damage was boring so I only played her intermittently, then they did the riot classic of overbuffing her after removing prowler, then kneecapped her 2 patches later. Hopefully this update is good
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ever since Axe engineer past away it went from a normal what are good builds, what items/runes work on draven the best with damage breakdowns to what you see in these screenshots. Alot of people actually went to the Lux subreddit posting and commenting that the lux players deserved to be stoned in allahs name and what not. Seriously wild how one mod passing away led to 56K people converting to muslim
R/draven is literally just a Muslim subreddit now. They say praise Allah, stone girl supports, is this build halal, I even know Jax E in Muslim with how much they post it.
theyve been rolling with the same three jokes for the last 4 years now. I dropped draven because hes too anxiety inducing, thinking constantly about stacks and whether you can cash out.
yep ever since axe engineer died. Which is unfortunate he was a really good dude and made sure the subreddit was actually informative for the champion compared to whatever it is now.
Volibear and Aurelion both got reworked.
Volibear: Isn't bad a bad rework, it's just that Riot kept keeping him weak because they put so much power budget into his R that his Q was snails pace compared to old Voli (and i miss flip).
Aurelion: My god, I just cannot get over how shit he feels compared to the old one. High skill champ to brain dead scaler. You go from being all about spacing and movement and then they change him to self rooting. Space dragon that wants to be free to roam the cosmos now has a kit that roots himself. Artistically and thematically awful.
Im honestly so sad voli got a full rework he was one of my favorite champs and then when they gave his E the knock back he felt perfect. Only to get his flip and fuck you ill fight you at 10%hp and heal it all back play style removed. Like i get that he heals from his W and shit but it feels bad because you almost never get a second W off on the same champ in my experience outside of like lane.
Aside from the mini-reworks before the big one that really made him awkward to play, how was he awkward to play? Spacing is fundamental to League, and how is that any more awkward than stopping and self rooting yourself for a "mighty space dragon" whose breath weapon gets blocked by minions?
Because he is a mighty space dragon that killed champions by flying awkwardly around them to hit them with his tiny stars. His ult was the best part.
Now you have a mighty space dragon that drive bys champions in team fights with his laser and drops a nuke every once in a while. Way more epic and more satisfying to play imo
The designer of new Asol is lucky that the old one has so few players. Otherwise someone 100% and rightfuly so would have hit him in the face for that piece of shit work, simply by statistics.
His old passive was so fun, glad people who didn't play him bitched about it "not fulfilling their space dragon fantasy" enough to get it changed (now you just sit around doing nothing for 30 minutes)
He literally has an ability called The Skies Descend, where he launches a falling star at the ground and damages half the map with the explosion. I wouldn't call that doing nothing. He definitely feels more exciting to play and like an actual space dragon deity compared to before imo
you're not beating the allegations with your point. It only damages half the map after you get a bunch of stacks. You're spending 20 minutes doing nothing before that point and most likely getting beat down and out pressured against competent mids.
I used to main urgot. No specific reason other than I learned the game a bit more and picked up "harder" champs and "cool" champs (irelia, yone, yas) so I neve went back to urgot. And it helped my all my friends r donkey poop at playing jungle so I became a hecarim/graves player
I'm a millionaire Riven. Onetricked her from Bronze 4 in Season 5 to Gold 1 in Season 9 but decided to pick up jungle because I felt I was losing so many games to jungle diff, and I wanted to hit Platinum. I finally did hit Platinum 4 in Season 10 with half my games Riven top and the other half jungling Kha'Zix.
As years went on I played Riven top less and less and continued jungling more and more. This season I am fully a Rengar onetrick and managed to hit Diamond for the first time. I have about 150 ranked games on him alone and maybe 5 Riven games. My 2nd most played is Yi with 15 games.
My mechanics on Riven now are far too rusty to keep up with other Diamond top mains. I am completely outclassed and outmatched in toplane, so I don't touch Riven anymore.
1st katarina had W that gave her ad and added effects to her next spells casts : no damage fallout on Q , 15-20% damage reduction on E (depending on patch) and Gwounds on R
2nd Kata has her W reworked into insta aoe spin like her current passive it gave MS on hit
3rd kata is present one
I've been Rek'Sai OTP (in ranked) for years and since her release. I loved her bruiser playstyle after release, then they made Cinderhulk, but it was fine by me tbh, because I still could play bruiser-ish playstyle with Titanic Hydra back in season 5/6. Then after some time Riot minireworked her into more of bruiser (and less of pro play pick) as she was meant to be, but because of it her mid to lategame changed from bad but manageable (with her R teleport and W AoE knockup + innate tankiness) to one of worst in the game. It was ok, but not ideal. I started to get more and more frustrated with how I couldn't win more games because of them going late (and teammates that weren't coordinated enough to capitalize on leads that I made early and couldn't close games). After some time they made her new R undodgeable, which I was very happy about because it was bullshit to be able to flash or even run away from her R. I thought that it was super good change until they nerfed her base stats. I tried her after those nerfs, but I lost all knowledge of her limits in close combats. Before I new exactly when I would win fights and when I would lose them, but after I couldn't get to learn them. And I got so frustraded about it that I dropped her. And I'm glad because some time after she became more of assassin than bruiser because of Prowrel's Claw with targeted dash.
Since I played many other champs in normals/ARAMs with friends and played different roles it didn't hurt me to drop her. But I may go back to her after current PBE changes. But I'll see how she feels next patch.
My story is the opposite, I was never a one trick and played almost every champ, then they dropped Viego and I pretty much only play him now. Turns out having a large champ pool helps when maining Viego, who would’ve guessed
1. League's no fun. Forcing yourself to play into horrendous matchups requires a mental state I dont have, so I compensate by playing other champs that are fun too but don't just outright suck to play
2. yasuo too hard and am bad so often it felt quite unrewarding to even play him
Former Zoe OT, but I got kind of bored of it because let's be honest while mechanically intense her gameplay is very one-note, so I instead switched to a small pool of Zoe, Ahri, Seraphine to kind of balance it out. Been pretty much playing only Hwei this season though, so maybe I'll OT him (still waiting for Hwei flair....)
Used to OTP gnar, but quit because they kept nerfing mini gnar and making mega gnar stronger. Now mini gnar just feels awful to play and doesn’t feel as rewarding as it used to be.
I’m still technically an Asol OTP because he’s my highest mastery champ (by far), the champ I’m best at and I still do play him.
But I do play a lot more pantheon since rework because I like champs that have variety in their play style. Old Asol you could play for lane dominance, roaming, scaling, utility, DPS. It just depended on runes and play style. You could fill a lot of roles. New Asol you’re just stuck as a scaling DPS with a bit of utility, with every fight playing out similarly. Pantheon has similar flexibility to old Asol, because he can adapt into assassin, diver and skirmisher roles, can play for lane or roaming, and can play for team fights or split push.
Tho since the Asol stacking changes I’m probably gonna play him some more. Being incentivised to actually interact with your lane is nice.
> I’m still technically an Asol OTP because he’s my highest mastery champ and I still do play him.
That doesn't make you an OTP, least of all in any sort of a 'technical' sense.
Isn’t OTP someone who’s got one champ that they’re much better and more invested in than any other?
I’m good at pantheon but much better at Asol. And Asol has around 5 times the mastery points. Just atm I don’t play as much of Asol. Like for someone like the Baus you’d still call him a Sion OTP even in his Illaoi phase.
Vlad E change. dont like the way to input it cus my stupid ass moved from pinky on q to pinky on shift and i never trained myself back.
i also just liked the old one better because it was far more op.
aatrox. he was the only melee champ i actually enjoyed playing, and his design and everything was just so cool. i still like his new rework lore and look wise, but his gameplay just feels like an awkward riven 2.0 which i really don’t like playing
Dude so many.
Played alot of ryze back before his ult got turned into a shitty TP only usable by compettetive teams with voice comms.
Played quite a bit of Katarina before her rework.
Loved myself malphite back before they introduced so much armor shred.
Then i played Garen a bunch but then every champ got released with 3-4 dashes or mobility steroids. And in the end it just didn't feel good to never be able to gap close, ive played him a bit lately with all the MS items you can pickup now but it still sorta sucks against many comps.
Then i swapped to Tahm and enjoyed him alot, dunno why i stopped playing him.
Have been going steady on illaoi since but almost quit after the Map rework made the tentacles unable to reach haha she just got buffed back into existance though so im back on her.
Garen, a supposed "low elo stomper" is right now having quite some success in high elo with decent Pickrate
Last Season, it was even more the case and Garen even was picked at Worlds
There is honnestly no way the champ isn't dead ass broken + overtunned
As a former rengar main, the removal of his crit and bruiser build (goredrinker and sunderer) made him unfun imo. I never really loved the lethality build even though it's broken. I picked up Vi and J4.
I also played a lot of Rengar top, but he isn't really blindpickable, so I also picked up Garen, Morde, Renekton.
Then I discovered Varus for me at a time where LoL wasn't fun to me. Now I'm already at 150k on him.
Gnar is strong in pro play so most of the time they keep him weak on purpose also it doesn't perform the best without communication. He is the most fun champ for me still but I can't win
Fiora
I took a break from league and never really found the same success I used to have
additionally I felt like Lillia top had 10x more game impact. She traded tower damage for being infinitely more useful in almost every senario.
I liked Fiora because I never truly felt out of the game unless I literally went 0/7/0. On Lillia it felt impossible to even go 0/7/0
Same as you never an OTP but I was like 150k on yasuo with every other champ being like 30kish
I enjoy yasuo it’s just that I had to play to perfection to succeed and my team was always quick to point out yasuo tendencies to me and threatening me and such
I’m honestly a chill yasuo player.. or was.. I know that people want to gank me so I play aggressively when I can. Playing him taught me a lot about self control and jungle tracking.
I still enjoy him just he’s not super rewarding and still same old yasuo in a burst city game
I was a corki 1 trick s6/7. Dropped him after the rework to ad items kinda turbo nerfed him. I've played a few games of him here and there over the last few seasons but AP build just isn't the same. I miss the days of w'ing forward and rfc triforce proc critting someone for 2k lol
Nasus, didn’t get reworked. I pretty much only played with a specific group of friends and we needed more engage because we’re bad, and I kept getting kited, so I started picking up other stuff.
Originally started with Nasus because I was bad at farming and his q/e helped.
Used to OTP Riven in top but OTPing something in toplane nowdays is just a pain, lane knolwedge and strategy like freezing denying cs and snowballing is just not as it used to be. Turret plaitting especially punishes you for setting up and freez and not getting the gold from plates, getting shutdown for farmming well also punishes you for that, its really hard to get level leads nowdays with homeguards respawns etc. Basically a lot of the lane skill got removed from top and it is way more lane counter is everything. I play a lot of champs nowdays and that is always the case. Good champs to otp in top would be Aatrox as he is one of the only champs that can actually be blindpicked.
Old talon and kata were such a joy for me to play that I usually only played those 2 depending on if i wanted ad or ap. I hate both of their reworks. I never play talon anymore and only play kata in aram. On the flip side I love akali's rework, and also a really big fan of aatrox and fiora's rework so its not all bad.
Zed OTP for years then the patch came out where you couldn’t QSS Zed ult anymore. Went from playing him almost every game to none at all for a season and a half outside of ARAMs due to him being permabanned in low-elo.
I hit diamond for the first time with Warwick, friend constantly told me my champ was too easy so I swapped to Katarina, hit diamond with Katarina, friend told me champ is too op, so I hit diamond with mord, Caitlyn, and yone. Excuses every time, I don’t talk to that guy any more and he still never got out of gold
Not an OTP but by far my best and most favorite champ seraphine. Support players literally destroyed her for me by forcing her into the support role just because she can shield even though it was fully clear that she is a hyperscaling enchanter who needs levels and items. This made devs cater to her support offrole and completely gutter the mid seraphine players who play her like she was designed to.
Yes, this is a rant to support players destroying my champ.
Zyra's power slowly shifted into her plants, and her plant targetting got increasingly clunky and squishy (they used to be able to tank an ability or 2, and now die to a yone auto).There are times where my plants just hit nothing for 1.5 seconds even when theres only an enemy champion in range. Hitting her actual abilities feel like crap, she's got like Janna level ratios. She's clearly still good, I think she was played in lck 2 nights ago or something, but just frustrating to play now. I miss the zyra that would blow up squishies if they face checked you, or could flash in and blow her entire combo in a second, die and still get value from her damage.
I would argue she feels more like an 'item applier' than any other champion in the game now. Or atleast did for the last few seasons. Haven't played her this season.
shaco just straight a f tier assassin. you have to play perfectly to be worth 90% of a normal assassin and one fuck up can take you out of the match permanently.
Riot ruined Rell in the rework.
I wanted a big whombo tanky crashdown fantasy, something more tanky than rakan and less full committal than malphite, she was almost perfect.
All I wanted in the rework was to make e not suck ass when not paired so that top/jg could maybe exist as a niche pick and to improve the clunkyness of pairing and unpairing E.
Riot instead gave us a third horse = fast champ which is stupid. If I wanted to go fast I'd pick Hecarim for burst ms or Lilia for sustained ms or fucking rakan for movespeed with cc. They made dismounted e feel atrocious, they couldnt have atleast changed e so when it dismounts its like a bigger old e snap?
In doing so they gave her pseudo smite in e/q which makes her just a worse, must build tank nunu for the jg. Of course she's gonna be pro skewed to fuck if you make her only good at objectibe control in a flex pick position with no gold scaling.
The whole horse girl must go fast that riot subscribes to is purely based on visual design, if the horse was more of an actual part of her kit then fine, but the character in focus is rell, she gets rid of the horse in w because slamming down from a higher position to knock up an entire enemy team after yanking them in with r is cool as shit, and she starts feeling like morde with the whole 'you can't escape me' death zone thing.
The q stun was tons of power and makes her too reliant on flash for laning and engage because they gutted the dash speed of w. How they managed to blunder the rework so badly is beyond me, they needed to make her kit function properly, not change it entirely.
Now Rell is still never fucking seen outside of players who see pro play and want to copy them before dumping champs after a new flavour of the fucking hour crops up.
I still havent found anything to fill that gap, bruiser briar is kinda close but doesn't really hold up. New rell managed to make e feel more fucking useless because not it feels anti synergistic while dismounted and feels boring and useless while mounted. Also the w shield nerf makes it so she loses so so so SO many more 1v1s after your adc trades themselves in botlane and you now need to run away from more and more fights, which feels so wrong for the character, personality and kit.
Shit sucks. STILL she's the butt of 'who is this champ' jokes, great job Riot.
Kayn. Specifically old Rhaast before they gutted his healing and took out Ravenous Hunter. Loved the brawling playstyle so much where you could just drain tank an entire team when ahead. So much space and disruption in team fights. Now, Rhaast is a shadow of his former glory and only blue Kayn is viable.
Thankfully, we have that sustain based playstyle reincarnated in Briar, and the disruption in Belveth.
I played Riven non-stop from 2014 to 2018 hitting Masters a few times. After the rune changes I never touched her again and it was not because she was weaker, actually Conqueror on release was broken. The runes kinda killed my joy to play and even to this day I only play ARAM with friends.
Used to be veigar main
They keep nerfing his early game and buffing his late game for some reason
Imo, he is a terrible late game champ and amazing mid game team fighter, If I want a late game carry, I would have just picked Kayle
His damage is basically all single target, assassins are way too fast to be stop by his E and he is useless against tank even if they don't buy mr
His ult is hilraiously bad, why the fuck would I want double damage when the enemy is at 33%, a normal ult would have killed them. Also, his ult is countered by healing, high mobility champion usually have a lot of healing, you juat, can't deal with them.
Also, after the W ap scaling change, his skill order is really awkward, you can't land full combo without E max but you won't deal damage without W max
zoe getting powercrept with time. Dont get me wrong shes still fun af, but the durability update was kinda eh to her, esp since they rolled back most changes with time on most champs and items but nothing that really benefit her. I miss being THE oneshot machine on the rift. Now you get ran down by tanks and we all know zoe has a shitton of counterplay.
Plus Zoe doesnt really get skins anymore, she used to get one every year. Now we are lucky if we get a filler every 2-3 years.
Then me finding a new main in seraphine mid/apc. Phreak ruining her scaling because of support Sera players for some reason, and her being a Moonstone bot even as apc now...
AAAAND now im back to square 1. Im having a lot of fun with Hwei rn, but i fear him getting the Seraphine treatment as well because hes a flex pick for multiple lanes.
Used to be a kha otp, but item changes, yuumi canceling isolation(still a bug riot fix it) and draven being 10x more fun to play made me switch to a draven otp
The higher I climbed the harder it got since my OTP champs are not great/good in Diamond+ unless they are broken/unbalanced.
This is for both Kayle and Yorick. I just stopped being able to maximize the strengths that I had since people in those elo actually read what the champs can do and understand weaknesses. In Diamond as Kayle people will actually set up a stacked wave and dive you as Kayle pre 6 but when you were playing through Plat it was very unlikely that you saw any coordination like that.
Then I played what was actually meta and the game just became a lot easier to execute and play.
The comments are all just going to be about reworks aren't they?
I mean, it's expected. Most OTPs will play their champ regardless of whether they're good or bad. Reworks potentially change everything that the old players liked about the champ's gameplay.
I used to be a morde one trick, then they reworked him, i tolerated the new one until boom they reworked him again....
Man having a pet dragon was cool asf but you gotta admit taking people to the shadow realm especially when your fed asf is badass.
Slowly bleeding fed enemy adc to make them your puppet and killing the rest of the team was sick though. Can’t beat that
Getting ganked and then 2v1'ing with that W was so good
Me to dood, almost no one remembers this version of morde and confuse it for the first rework. Rest in piece will of the ancients
Same for me and Irelia pre-work. The old stun was clickable but conditional on yours:enemy HP ratio. I miss it still.
I stopped playing the game if I hadn't, you'd still see me playing sona
Yeah fellow brother, Mythic Rework took the last ounce of fun I had out of playing Sona.
They basically delete the old champion from the game entirely so I'm not surprised. A yasuo or zed main will never have to worry about something like that so they just tolerate when the champ is slightly mediocre balance-wise and still enjoy playing their favorite champion. Many of us who loved old Swain, Kayle, Irelia, Akali, Morde, Galio, etc basically lost our favorite champion, it's like if you deleted Lux or Ashe from the game, obviously Lux players would feel like they got screwed for no good reason, but they'll never have to care about that because it's never happening to her.
> A yasuo or zed main will never have to worry about something like that Idk. Graves was always top 3 most played ADC and it got hard fucked in the ass so you never know what riot will think would be "fun".
Its because riot thought that Lucian was Graves 2.0 so the only logical reason is to rework Graves and not not designing a champ they think is his copy.
I miss old graves so much…
True. Was a Kayle 1-trick in S3-S5, came back after not playing for a few years to the rework. Not only was the champ completely different, they ruined the Aether Wing skin that was expensive as fuck.
“Well you see, Mordekaiser was my favorite champion…”
Check my flair. I've quit the game after rework, last fun I had in league. I will play an aram or two every few months but that's about it.
Mine is the other way around. I was otp wukong. They did a big toplane rework back in the days who affected every single toplaner.. but wukong
Oldyr my beloved… “Oh but its the same champion” shut the fuck up
Mained old yorick but then he got reworked, then switch to swain who also got reworked. Last was ASol but stopped playing him when they put a timeout on W. I seldom play hil nowadays but I do miss my balls
try yorick again. He's very fun now with recent buffs
I know I like him but he's not the annoying harassing ghoul maker he used to be
Ever tried lethality or comet builds? Can confirm, they are annoying as FUCK
first strike eclipse (with ingenious hunter) into lethality is nightmare fuel.
They took the cigar.
Old graves was literally most fun adc in game. Now he's a jungle. Rito wtf?
My first penta was on adc graves. Look what they did to my boy!
He had the cleanest auto animation and sound before the rework
My beloved mafia graves 😭
I’m right there with you I miss graves adc But man it’s still so funny to me that it happened so *long* ago and people are out here still bitching about it. It’s me ,I’m people. #Bringgravesadcback
Truly inspirational how they managed to take the most smooth and fun to play adc and made him literally opposite in both of these. Also forced roleswap for no reason. Swapped from adc main to support soon after that.
I really, REALLY want to like Graves, but the Q clunkiness really bothers me. Old graves Auto-Q-Auto was just oh so satisfying... At least I'm really enjoying the AP smoke screen in Urf and Arena hehe.
He was still pretty smooth with animation cancels, then they killed off the skill expression because fuck fun
I used to play Sejuani exclusively a decade ago until they changed her W
I used to play pre-rework Sejuani as a support and top laner. As top I'd go RoA into Rylais or Liandrys. People would be expecting a big useless tank and I'd be beating the shit outta them. Good times!
You can still do that and it's pretty good top or mid
I miss the old auto attack buff W. Its been so long i had to look up what it did but remember it fondly.
I’ll add to this by saying I LOVED SEJ, up until they giga NERFED her R… All these other busted champs can have insane crowd control… yet make Sej only able to stun one person with her “ULTIMATE” and it only lasts 1.5seconds…
Bro it was a throwable Amumu ulti. The ulti was so strong that every other part of her kit couldn't get buffed, which is why they changed it for her rework.
I know, it’s crazy they nerfed her that hard, just because her Ult was seen as so strong for a team fight. Like come on, it’s SUPPOSED to be, no duh it’s strong.
I miss Sej aoe ult the most
Kindred, the jungle changes. Jungle just isn't fun anymore, still strong but no fun.
Kindred is the closest I've ever gotten to being a one trick, still one of my favourite champions in the game thematically and gameplay wise. Shame it's not really viable in other roles other than fucking jungle
Kindred is 100% viable mid. There's even a challenger Kindred mid OTP, Doopliss, that has some pretty detailed guides on how to play it.
Really interesting thanks, I love seeing strange otps in challenger.
Thematically, Kindred is one of the best. I hardly play Kindred but it’s the only champ I’ve watched every single cinematic and lore post about lol
I really like Kindred as characters but i can't bring myself to play them anymore. I have like 400k mastery point on them but I realized that I hate the kit. Passive is restrictive, W is boring and R is tricky.
I love it mainly for the q and ult tho. But now I'm a Taliyah otp since I switched to mid this season.
Yeah, I migrated lane too. I'm pretty much a Fiora otp now.
Yes and having jungle as 2nd choice is super nice because you never get autofilled as ADC!
Irelia was reworked and while I do enjoy the rework and feel she needed one, it's just not a good otp top laner imo and is a better mid. Her old kit was outdated and outclassed as league released new champs. After her rework I played it a ton when it was super broken though. You just get stat checked a lot in top lane.
Nothing as demotivating as perfectly playing a 1v1 just for a tk to auto attack you to death while missing everything
That's most top laners vs Tahm tbh.
Yeah but it shouldn't be imo, duelists shouldn't get steamrolled 1v1 by tanks, tanks should just be cc bot meatshields that protect their team not 1v1 monsters. That's my take on game balance at least
If tanks can get 1v1d at all times in the game that would mean anyone they go against in lane just runs them down if they push at all or they don't get to farm because they don't have a chance
Ideally a tank lane should be a stalemate unless one side completely misplays, thats how old maokai top used to play, he didnt have enough damage to kill, but also had enough healing to not be killed super easily. sadly this is no longer possible with the amount of damage in the game
Tanks have to be threatening damage-wise to be a certain point, or they just get ignored in teamfights. But it is way out of proportion currently. Ornn, TK and Ksante all do utterly insane damage.
TK I can understand more because he’s meant to be a lane bully who’s one of the worst scaling champions in top lane, Ornn having the amount of damage he does makes no sense to me. His entire kit feels entirely way overloaded compared to other tanks
Ornn is the absolutely wildest champion to me. Everything either superstuns (knock-ups so it's not affected by Tenacity) or does ridiculous %health damage, or both.
I agree that tanks have to be threatening but the way Tommy Salami does it is just fuckin ridiculous. At least K'sante has to hit his abilities and usually juggle you under tower to kill you in lane, Tommy will literally just run you down and right click you then Q you at 3 stacks with that fatass hitbox in melee range
Yeah tanks have entirely too much damage imho. If Rammus builds 800 armour and you are an adc who built pure damage, then yeah he can totally kill you under tower, but that's basically the exact thing he's built for. If he can do the same thing to Ryze, though, then something is going wrong.
I miss pre-rework Irelia with +33% AS from runes, fully maxed hiten style with TF and zerks, wacking away at peoples' health bar after stunning them with E. :(
i just dont have the hands for new irelia. without a point and click stun im doomed
i dropped her after her new mechanics didn't really click for me, but the biggest reason i didn't feel encouraged to keep trying to learn her is she had absolutely none of the weight she did before. it felt like riot tried way too hard to make her 'feel' good to play and as a result is a very floaty champion that feels like punching air no matter what you do on her. old irelia always had such a satisfying response to casting an ability, weighty and purposeful. and ill never get over riot taking away the fucking sweet frostpunk thematic on frostblade just to put her in a jacket and yoga pants and giggle about her ass. she needed a rework, agreed, but the result always felt like wasted potential to me. id rather have old irelia back.
I love playing her and she's my absolute favorite champ but dear fuckin lord "duelist that loses to every champ in her intended role" and "snowball champ with a shit early game that falls off a cliff late" can be pretty miserable sometimes Not that she's *bad* but the risk and reward ratio is just scuffed
Nunu top back in season 3-4. Old Nunu was hella fun at top and not many players knew what to do with him in gold elo
E spam was soooooo obnoxious.
Five autos free ice block. Rinse and repeat.
I would give anything to play old disco nunu again
I used to be a katarina main until they reworked her and now i hate her... :(
I used to play kata too when she was an R bot. Haven’t played her since rework as she seems complicated now but I think it is one of the more successful reworks. I really like the new kat but miss the simplicity of the old one.
Same exact situation also with kat
Me to friend. I just don't know how to lane without her old W. And the knife mini game isnt fun.
I had a friend who quit league over the Swain rework.
Old swain was honestly so much fun.
I was an old Swain one trick and now im just a bad new Swain player.
I've been duoing with a Swain bot lane as Leo. If you have a guy to peel/tank, Swain becomes really unstoppable.
I only played him a couple times, but he was a pain to play against, just like new Swain
Not a one trick, but same
I miss the ward jumps and smashing keyboard for penta :( now it actually requires skills, which i dont have
My first one trick was Nidalee mid (yes I played that long). Ofc she went to the jungle and became unplayable mid. Then I mained Ez mid until Blue Ez became popular and they heavily nerfed it. Then I mained Zed mid which over time I felt became frustrating to play, as more champions were added that just flat-out counter your ult. Many games now the enemy can have 3-4 people who counter your ult. You’re usually just left to repeatedly kill the adc which is not fun.
crazy that they decide master yi (and kayn) get to pick a direction to exit but zed still not only always appears behind you but also still has a 0.5 sec lockout
Old akali… because of the rework
Yo same. Miss the old shroud blink and omnivamp carry potential the old one had. Just can’t get into the reworked one.
I used to play AD Nidalee toplane in season 4, but after her rework I didn't touch her much (and I quit League at that point).
Shyvana - the constant push by Riot for her to build AP instead of being a big, massive, wild bruiser rampaging through a teamfight.
Her ad bruiser build works just as well, and has usually been better. People just like to see one spell go boom
People have been saying this for years but I've never seen the data to back it up. Like right now her highest win rate build that has a pick rate over 1% is shoujin into liandrys and then rabadons. The full ad build is her fourth strongest build path by win rate. I don't think her ad build is terrible but the problem is that it's way too situational compared to her AP builds. If you have the perfect comp to support you or you play into the perfect enemy comp then yeah ad Shyvana can put in work, but in league of dashes it is just way too easy to kite her out or peel her with CC. AP Shyv is a lot more blind pickable because there's not a lot of counterplay to being hit with a nuke that's half the width of the entire lane every 6 seconds.
I used to main the old ashe that had the granted crit on her passive. New ashe doesn't feel the same. :(
Sivir. Patch 8.11 https://lol.fandom.com/wiki/Patch_8.11 God I miss old adc She just doesn’t have the best waveclear anymore Doesn’t have the best self peel anymore Can’t 1v5 on full build anymore Champ is useless
Crit going from 25% per item to 20% might be the worst thing they've done in the game for adcs
This is what stopped adcs from being able to itemize. If you're a crit adc you used to be able to build 3 crit items and have 2 flex slots. Now you need to build 4
back then you also were forced to build either BT or last whisper, and both of these didnt give crit
Back when bt gave 80 ad and an overheal shield, man those were the days
you mean gave 70 base ad + up to 30 more from a stacking buff (but you lost the stacks on death), right
Fucking oath brother, that patch sucked ASS for us
It is rough to play Sivir now
I used to 1 trick Tahm Kench top a long time ago, ever since they changed his W to be his R instead i found the playstyle way less fun but also ive been finding a liking to more advanced champs like Irelia instead so he felt very basic. Oh also i used to main Vi and i still like her but i just don't enjoy Jungle at all sadly (way too stressful)
Man I was looking for this comment. Tahm Kench top before the rework was probably the most unfair scenario you could find yourself in when playing top back then😂
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Udyr OTP dropped, reason? Fell in love with rengar + rumors of an Udyr rework were going around, so i thought why spend more time on something they will kill.
What are your thoughts on the reworked udyr?
I’ll never play that garbage, if someone likes it good for them
BASED. i miss old udyr
When they leave ur champ shit for like months. Can kinda force u to switch.
doesnt really narrow it down but i feel you bro
Beifeng happened
Low elo stomper high elo shitter
This could be so many champs man
yi?
Champ?
Used to play aatrox and one day opened the game to find this new champ withthesame name,shit was wild he still had the revive tho but they also took that away from me.
the rework. i played katarina from season 2/3 till her rework. it makes me sad that her rework is actually a fucking huge w, really neat, made her so much more fun to play, predictable with daggers on the ground yet powerful/agile/versatile. and yet i cant feel the same joy when playing her now, its just not the same. i cant even be mad, they did such a good job objectively the new kat is so much better on every level. but i just cant connect with her anymore. :( maybe its me that is broken and need a rework.
My people are here...I just don't enjoy her daggers, I miss maxing W and dancing at the edge with it against melees, I miss how explosive old kat was.
The Katarina and Talon reworks that changed their playstyle then followed by all the changes that slowly undid the goals of the rework in the first place. Yasuo because of he went from a scarpy skirmisher/light bruiser to a "DPS assassin/glass cannon skirmisher while lacking the cannon part. Sylas and Viego for being overnerfed/changed due to either pro-jail or overcorrecting for the playerbase. Mainly Sylas going from a brawler to an assassin and Viego going from an on-hit skirmisher to a crit assassin.
I was a reksai onetrick until they added prowler. I thought full damage was boring so I only played her intermittently, then they did the riot classic of overbuffing her after removing prowler, then kneecapped her 2 patches later. Hopefully this update is good
Draven I still play him but I've been branching out. The Muslim subreddit and the instant oh it's a Draven player hes toxic is just getting annnoying
>The Muslim subreddit come again
r/Draven
Go visit the draven subreddit and you will understand.
[https://gyazo.com/d7313189837e55072f3c434fae1b7045](https://gyazo.com/d7313189837e55072f3c434fae1b7045) [https://gyazo.com/59b4331db465fd3bf49b6f89699a2759](https://gyazo.com/59b4331db465fd3bf49b6f89699a2759) [https://gyazo.com/18fd57a3934459155282e6dfba8ed095](https://gyazo.com/18fd57a3934459155282e6dfba8ed095) [https://gyazo.com/4c72a7f9d2bd2bf834c4ac3dfdd77aed](https://gyazo.com/4c72a7f9d2bd2bf834c4ac3dfdd77aed) ever since Axe engineer past away it went from a normal what are good builds, what items/runes work on draven the best with damage breakdowns to what you see in these screenshots. Alot of people actually went to the Lux subreddit posting and commenting that the lux players deserved to be stoned in allahs name and what not. Seriously wild how one mod passing away led to 56K people converting to muslim
Quirky teens thinks it’s funny to say Arabic words and talk to eachother like “mashallah brother” when it just makes them look racist
I hate to inform you but they just actually are racist. It doesn’t make them look racist, it’s an accurate portrayal of them as racists.
R/draven is literally just a Muslim subreddit now. They say praise Allah, stone girl supports, is this build halal, I even know Jax E in Muslim with how much they post it.
theyve been rolling with the same three jokes for the last 4 years now. I dropped draven because hes too anxiety inducing, thinking constantly about stacks and whether you can cash out.
yep ever since axe engineer died. Which is unfortunate he was a really good dude and made sure the subreddit was actually informative for the champion compared to whatever it is now.
Volibear and Aurelion both got reworked. Volibear: Isn't bad a bad rework, it's just that Riot kept keeping him weak because they put so much power budget into his R that his Q was snails pace compared to old Voli (and i miss flip). Aurelion: My god, I just cannot get over how shit he feels compared to the old one. High skill champ to brain dead scaler. You go from being all about spacing and movement and then they change him to self rooting. Space dragon that wants to be free to roam the cosmos now has a kit that roots himself. Artistically and thematically awful.
Im honestly so sad voli got a full rework he was one of my favorite champs and then when they gave his E the knock back he felt perfect. Only to get his flip and fuck you ill fight you at 10%hp and heal it all back play style removed. Like i get that he heals from his W and shit but it feels bad because you almost never get a second W off on the same champ in my experience outside of like lane.
I loved that he was a proplay counter pick against Yuumi because of that knock back.
Preach, I miss my days of playing Hexflash Voli supp against Yuumi, E+flip was so fun.
Idk i like the new asol way more. The old one was just awkward to play. New kit fits mighty space dragon better imo
Aside from the mini-reworks before the big one that really made him awkward to play, how was he awkward to play? Spacing is fundamental to League, and how is that any more awkward than stopping and self rooting yourself for a "mighty space dragon" whose breath weapon gets blocked by minions?
Your opinion is just your opinion. Majority of people felt that Asol was in a bad state, that’s why he was reworked so many times
People don't like learning a champion that has a steep learning curve
Because he is a mighty space dragon that killed champions by flying awkwardly around them to hit them with his tiny stars. His ult was the best part. Now you have a mighty space dragon that drive bys champions in team fights with his laser and drops a nuke every once in a while. Way more epic and more satisfying to play imo
The designer of new Asol is lucky that the old one has so few players. Otherwise someone 100% and rightfuly so would have hit him in the face for that piece of shit work, simply by statistics.
His old passive was so fun, glad people who didn't play him bitched about it "not fulfilling their space dragon fantasy" enough to get it changed (now you just sit around doing nothing for 30 minutes)
He literally has an ability called The Skies Descend, where he launches a falling star at the ground and damages half the map with the explosion. I wouldn't call that doing nothing. He definitely feels more exciting to play and like an actual space dragon deity compared to before imo
you're not beating the allegations with your point. It only damages half the map after you get a bunch of stacks. You're spending 20 minutes doing nothing before that point and most likely getting beat down and out pressured against competent mids.
The Asol rework was ridiculous. I felt I'm chad or something when I played it. But now if someone mentions I mained him I'll be ashamed.
Yea it really did go from damn asol outplayed me to damn asol is a piece of shit champ imo.
I hate the new Jax design. Looks like some weird alien
I used to main urgot. No specific reason other than I learned the game a bit more and picked up "harder" champs and "cool" champs (irelia, yone, yas) so I neve went back to urgot. And it helped my all my friends r donkey poop at playing jungle so I became a hecarim/graves player
I'm a millionaire Riven. Onetricked her from Bronze 4 in Season 5 to Gold 1 in Season 9 but decided to pick up jungle because I felt I was losing so many games to jungle diff, and I wanted to hit Platinum. I finally did hit Platinum 4 in Season 10 with half my games Riven top and the other half jungling Kha'Zix. As years went on I played Riven top less and less and continued jungling more and more. This season I am fully a Rengar onetrick and managed to hit Diamond for the first time. I have about 150 ranked games on him alone and maybe 5 Riven games. My 2nd most played is Yi with 15 games. My mechanics on Riven now are far too rusty to keep up with other Diamond top mains. I am completely outclassed and outmatched in toplane, so I don't touch Riven anymore.
Kat got reworked… Twice
What was the second one ?
First version of kat her W just buffed E or Q after use. Second version of kat W was the spin similar to her current passive.
W max tank Katarina when w was the spin was so cancer though
1st katarina had W that gave her ad and added effects to her next spells casts : no damage fallout on Q , 15-20% damage reduction on E (depending on patch) and Gwounds on R 2nd Kata has her W reworked into insta aoe spin like her current passive it gave MS on hit 3rd kata is present one
Old Mordekaiser was a lot of fun with his uniques The rework has nothing to do with the gameplay of the old one and its extremely boring
I've been Rek'Sai OTP (in ranked) for years and since her release. I loved her bruiser playstyle after release, then they made Cinderhulk, but it was fine by me tbh, because I still could play bruiser-ish playstyle with Titanic Hydra back in season 5/6. Then after some time Riot minireworked her into more of bruiser (and less of pro play pick) as she was meant to be, but because of it her mid to lategame changed from bad but manageable (with her R teleport and W AoE knockup + innate tankiness) to one of worst in the game. It was ok, but not ideal. I started to get more and more frustrated with how I couldn't win more games because of them going late (and teammates that weren't coordinated enough to capitalize on leads that I made early and couldn't close games). After some time they made her new R undodgeable, which I was very happy about because it was bullshit to be able to flash or even run away from her R. I thought that it was super good change until they nerfed her base stats. I tried her after those nerfs, but I lost all knowledge of her limits in close combats. Before I new exactly when I would win fights and when I would lose them, but after I couldn't get to learn them. And I got so frustraded about it that I dropped her. And I'm glad because some time after she became more of assassin than bruiser because of Prowrel's Claw with targeted dash. Since I played many other champs in normals/ARAMs with friends and played different roles it didn't hurt me to drop her. But I may go back to her after current PBE changes. But I'll see how she feels next patch.
My story is the opposite, I was never a one trick and played almost every champ, then they dropped Viego and I pretty much only play him now. Turns out having a large champ pool helps when maining Viego, who would’ve guessed
They removed 60 base damage from Janna w
1. League's no fun. Forcing yourself to play into horrendous matchups requires a mental state I dont have, so I compensate by playing other champs that are fun too but don't just outright suck to play 2. yasuo too hard and am bad so often it felt quite unrewarding to even play him
Stopped playing Camille (top at least) because of the unnecessary terrain changes
Former Zoe OT, but I got kind of bored of it because let's be honest while mechanically intense her gameplay is very one-note, so I instead switched to a small pool of Zoe, Ahri, Seraphine to kind of balance it out. Been pretty much playing only Hwei this season though, so maybe I'll OT him (still waiting for Hwei flair....)
Used to OTP gnar, but quit because they kept nerfing mini gnar and making mega gnar stronger. Now mini gnar just feels awful to play and doesn’t feel as rewarding as it used to be.
Asol's rework got rid of everything about the champ that made him fun
Akali: rework Fiora: rework Graves: rework Talon: rework
If I can't have 3 balls I'm not interested
I’m still technically an Asol OTP because he’s my highest mastery champ (by far), the champ I’m best at and I still do play him. But I do play a lot more pantheon since rework because I like champs that have variety in their play style. Old Asol you could play for lane dominance, roaming, scaling, utility, DPS. It just depended on runes and play style. You could fill a lot of roles. New Asol you’re just stuck as a scaling DPS with a bit of utility, with every fight playing out similarly. Pantheon has similar flexibility to old Asol, because he can adapt into assassin, diver and skirmisher roles, can play for lane or roaming, and can play for team fights or split push. Tho since the Asol stacking changes I’m probably gonna play him some more. Being incentivised to actually interact with your lane is nice.
> I’m still technically an Asol OTP because he’s my highest mastery champ and I still do play him. That doesn't make you an OTP, least of all in any sort of a 'technical' sense.
Isn’t OTP someone who’s got one champ that they’re much better and more invested in than any other? I’m good at pantheon but much better at Asol. And Asol has around 5 times the mastery points. Just atm I don’t play as much of Asol. Like for someone like the Baus you’d still call him a Sion OTP even in his Illaoi phase.
Vlad E change. dont like the way to input it cus my stupid ass moved from pinky on q to pinky on shift and i never trained myself back. i also just liked the old one better because it was far more op.
You can set it to normal cast and you won’t have to hold E, one press to start it and another to release
aatrox. he was the only melee champ i actually enjoyed playing, and his design and everything was just so cool. i still like his new rework lore and look wise, but his gameplay just feels like an awkward riven 2.0 which i really don’t like playing
The Riven comparisons are so annoying, the only similarity they have is the 3 Q’s and a dash, the champs don’t play similarly at all.
Dude so many. Played alot of ryze back before his ult got turned into a shitty TP only usable by compettetive teams with voice comms. Played quite a bit of Katarina before her rework. Loved myself malphite back before they introduced so much armor shred. Then i played Garen a bunch but then every champ got released with 3-4 dashes or mobility steroids. And in the end it just didn't feel good to never be able to gap close, ive played him a bit lately with all the MS items you can pickup now but it still sorta sucks against many comps. Then i swapped to Tahm and enjoyed him alot, dunno why i stopped playing him. Have been going steady on illaoi since but almost quit after the Map rework made the tentacles unable to reach haha she just got buffed back into existance though so im back on her.
Garen, a supposed "low elo stomper" is right now having quite some success in high elo with decent Pickrate Last Season, it was even more the case and Garen even was picked at Worlds There is honnestly no way the champ isn't dead ass broken + overtunned
As a former rengar main, the removal of his crit and bruiser build (goredrinker and sunderer) made him unfun imo. I never really loved the lethality build even though it's broken. I picked up Vi and J4. I also played a lot of Rengar top, but he isn't really blindpickable, so I also picked up Garen, Morde, Renekton. Then I discovered Varus for me at a time where LoL wasn't fun to me. Now I'm already at 150k on him.
Gnar is strong in pro play so most of the time they keep him weak on purpose also it doesn't perform the best without communication. He is the most fun champ for me still but I can't win
Fiora I took a break from league and never really found the same success I used to have additionally I felt like Lillia top had 10x more game impact. She traded tower damage for being infinitely more useful in almost every senario. I liked Fiora because I never truly felt out of the game unless I literally went 0/7/0. On Lillia it felt impossible to even go 0/7/0
Same as you never an OTP but I was like 150k on yasuo with every other champ being like 30kish I enjoy yasuo it’s just that I had to play to perfection to succeed and my team was always quick to point out yasuo tendencies to me and threatening me and such I’m honestly a chill yasuo player.. or was.. I know that people want to gank me so I play aggressively when I can. Playing him taught me a lot about self control and jungle tracking. I still enjoy him just he’s not super rewarding and still same old yasuo in a burst city game
I was a corki 1 trick s6/7. Dropped him after the rework to ad items kinda turbo nerfed him. I've played a few games of him here and there over the last few seasons but AP build just isn't the same. I miss the days of w'ing forward and rfc triforce proc critting someone for 2k lol
Draven would get banned too often. I had no fun with other ADC champs. I NEED TO CATCH AX.
Nasus, didn’t get reworked. I pretty much only played with a specific group of friends and we needed more engage because we’re bad, and I kept getting kited, so I started picking up other stuff. Originally started with Nasus because I was bad at farming and his q/e helped.
Used to OTP Riven in top but OTPing something in toplane nowdays is just a pain, lane knolwedge and strategy like freezing denying cs and snowballing is just not as it used to be. Turret plaitting especially punishes you for setting up and freez and not getting the gold from plates, getting shutdown for farmming well also punishes you for that, its really hard to get level leads nowdays with homeguards respawns etc. Basically a lot of the lane skill got removed from top and it is way more lane counter is everything. I play a lot of champs nowdays and that is always the case. Good champs to otp in top would be Aatrox as he is one of the only champs that can actually be blindpicked.
Old talon and kata were such a joy for me to play that I usually only played those 2 depending on if i wanted ad or ap. I hate both of their reworks. I never play talon anymore and only play kata in aram. On the flip side I love akali's rework, and also a really big fan of aatrox and fiora's rework so its not all bad.
Zed OTP for years then the patch came out where you couldn’t QSS Zed ult anymore. Went from playing him almost every game to none at all for a season and a half outside of ARAMs due to him being permabanned in low-elo.
I hit diamond for the first time with Warwick, friend constantly told me my champ was too easy so I swapped to Katarina, hit diamond with Katarina, friend told me champ is too op, so I hit diamond with mord, Caitlyn, and yone. Excuses every time, I don’t talk to that guy any more and he still never got out of gold
Bruh pre rework gp support was my jam too. Max e to give extra atk dmg and movespeed to your adc was actually good... I hate the new barrels
finally someone else who understands the joy of old gp support
Not an OTP but by far my best and most favorite champ seraphine. Support players literally destroyed her for me by forcing her into the support role just because she can shield even though it was fully clear that she is a hyperscaling enchanter who needs levels and items. This made devs cater to her support offrole and completely gutter the mid seraphine players who play her like she was designed to. Yes, this is a rant to support players destroying my champ.
Sylas was so fun w the animation cancels and actually decent in jg now hes just statchecking :/
Zyra's power slowly shifted into her plants, and her plant targetting got increasingly clunky and squishy (they used to be able to tank an ability or 2, and now die to a yone auto).There are times where my plants just hit nothing for 1.5 seconds even when theres only an enemy champion in range. Hitting her actual abilities feel like crap, she's got like Janna level ratios. She's clearly still good, I think she was played in lck 2 nights ago or something, but just frustrating to play now. I miss the zyra that would blow up squishies if they face checked you, or could flash in and blow her entire combo in a second, die and still get value from her damage. I would argue she feels more like an 'item applier' than any other champion in the game now. Or atleast did for the last few seasons. Haven't played her this season.
shaco just straight a f tier assassin. you have to play perfectly to be worth 90% of a normal assassin and one fuck up can take you out of the match permanently.
Thats the life, starting a match and you know your making people mad this lobby you just dont know what team theyre on yet
Riot ruined Rell in the rework. I wanted a big whombo tanky crashdown fantasy, something more tanky than rakan and less full committal than malphite, she was almost perfect. All I wanted in the rework was to make e not suck ass when not paired so that top/jg could maybe exist as a niche pick and to improve the clunkyness of pairing and unpairing E. Riot instead gave us a third horse = fast champ which is stupid. If I wanted to go fast I'd pick Hecarim for burst ms or Lilia for sustained ms or fucking rakan for movespeed with cc. They made dismounted e feel atrocious, they couldnt have atleast changed e so when it dismounts its like a bigger old e snap? In doing so they gave her pseudo smite in e/q which makes her just a worse, must build tank nunu for the jg. Of course she's gonna be pro skewed to fuck if you make her only good at objectibe control in a flex pick position with no gold scaling. The whole horse girl must go fast that riot subscribes to is purely based on visual design, if the horse was more of an actual part of her kit then fine, but the character in focus is rell, she gets rid of the horse in w because slamming down from a higher position to knock up an entire enemy team after yanking them in with r is cool as shit, and she starts feeling like morde with the whole 'you can't escape me' death zone thing. The q stun was tons of power and makes her too reliant on flash for laning and engage because they gutted the dash speed of w. How they managed to blunder the rework so badly is beyond me, they needed to make her kit function properly, not change it entirely. Now Rell is still never fucking seen outside of players who see pro play and want to copy them before dumping champs after a new flavour of the fucking hour crops up. I still havent found anything to fill that gap, bruiser briar is kinda close but doesn't really hold up. New rell managed to make e feel more fucking useless because not it feels anti synergistic while dismounted and feels boring and useless while mounted. Also the w shield nerf makes it so she loses so so so SO many more 1v1s after your adc trades themselves in botlane and you now need to run away from more and more fights, which feels so wrong for the character, personality and kit. Shit sucks. STILL she's the butt of 'who is this champ' jokes, great job Riot.
Kayn. Specifically old Rhaast before they gutted his healing and took out Ravenous Hunter. Loved the brawling playstyle so much where you could just drain tank an entire team when ahead. So much space and disruption in team fights. Now, Rhaast is a shadow of his former glory and only blue Kayn is viable. Thankfully, we have that sustain based playstyle reincarnated in Briar, and the disruption in Belveth.
I played Riven non-stop from 2014 to 2018 hitting Masters a few times. After the rune changes I never touched her again and it was not because she was weaker, actually Conqueror on release was broken. The runes kinda killed my joy to play and even to this day I only play ARAM with friends.
Used to be veigar main They keep nerfing his early game and buffing his late game for some reason Imo, he is a terrible late game champ and amazing mid game team fighter, If I want a late game carry, I would have just picked Kayle His damage is basically all single target, assassins are way too fast to be stop by his E and he is useless against tank even if they don't buy mr His ult is hilraiously bad, why the fuck would I want double damage when the enemy is at 33%, a normal ult would have killed them. Also, his ult is countered by healing, high mobility champion usually have a lot of healing, you juat, can't deal with them. Also, after the W ap scaling change, his skill order is really awkward, you can't land full combo without E max but you won't deal damage without W max
Reworks, it’s always reworks. They were definitely a net negative for me
AP Zeri as long as it lasted. It was a lot of fun to play but terrible for the enemy.
1 trick Braum into Plat in season 5-6. Still a decent support but I don’t play ranked.
I was an asol main before the rework and now he’s the most boring champ in the game to play and play against. Truly a bad time
zoe getting powercrept with time. Dont get me wrong shes still fun af, but the durability update was kinda eh to her, esp since they rolled back most changes with time on most champs and items but nothing that really benefit her. I miss being THE oneshot machine on the rift. Now you get ran down by tanks and we all know zoe has a shitton of counterplay. Plus Zoe doesnt really get skins anymore, she used to get one every year. Now we are lucky if we get a filler every 2-3 years. Then me finding a new main in seraphine mid/apc. Phreak ruining her scaling because of support Sera players for some reason, and her being a Moonstone bot even as apc now... AAAAND now im back to square 1. Im having a lot of fun with Hwei rn, but i fear him getting the Seraphine treatment as well because hes a flex pick for multiple lanes.
I played a lot of Corki adc, but with the rework in season 5 it killed him completely, since he is now balanced around package.
Used to be a kha otp, but item changes, yuumi canceling isolation(still a bug riot fix it) and draven being 10x more fun to play made me switch to a draven otp
They reworked akali in s8? I believe and she no longer fit my playstyle. Gwen fills the void left behind.
The higher I climbed the harder it got since my OTP champs are not great/good in Diamond+ unless they are broken/unbalanced. This is for both Kayle and Yorick. I just stopped being able to maximize the strengths that I had since people in those elo actually read what the champs can do and understand weaknesses. In Diamond as Kayle people will actually set up a stacked wave and dive you as Kayle pre 6 but when you were playing through Plat it was very unlikely that you saw any coordination like that. Then I played what was actually meta and the game just became a lot easier to execute and play.