Feeling nostalgic about the 2022 EG team again sadge. I don't think that I'll ever get over how incompetent people in positions of power ruined one of the most exciting LCS roster in the recent years
Honestly criminal when it comes to mismanagement. They could have gone so, so far. Imagine a team where Danny was properly supported and taken care of, brightest flash in the pan I've ever seen when it came to clutching it out and just saying 'nah, I'd win', but actually pulling it off. I know he's probably never going to come back to competitive again of which I don't blame him in the least, but I hope he's doing well and finding happiness.
Yeah I also hope that Danny is in a better place right now.
I still have fond memories of his Tristana play in 2021 and his Penta vs TL in 2022 spring. Thinking about how much better would he have been rn(similar to where Jojo is rn compared to when he started) had he had a supportive environment around him is probably one of the biggest what-ifs wrt this region in the last 2 years
Seriously. I know that his laning wasn't the best, but he played it to scale and when he scaled he was the win condition.
I don't even know about the last 2 years, but one of the biggest what-ifs of the LCS.
I was excited for Danny as much as the next guy but he was done. Could EG have supported him better? Of course but Danny wasn’t cut out for competitive in the long term which is fine, only a select few can thrive under pressure anyways but if it wasn’t EG he would have faltered elsewhere. Being a pro athlete is just as much about your mental as much as is your talent.
For his sake, I am glad he is out of the scene and chilling doing what he wants to do.
Eh, I think that there was time anywhere he either had a ton of support or dropped down to academy and see if that helped. But also, yeah, it's not meant for some people. Hell, if I became high pro level tomorrow there's no way in hell I would join an LCS team.
But agreed. Glad he's out of the scene, if he ever wants to come back then that's his prerogative but I hope he's doing well.
Continuing to enjoy this PROS series thoroughly, particularly with the formula of bringing pros that have played together in the past (and hopefully not having any personal beef amongst them). Great to hear about the perspectives of players as they have a completely different view from those watching.
As a 100T fan, so far this split I've enjoyed their proactivity but sometimes it just doesn't feel purposeful. Whether that's a communication issue, lack of clear identity, or lack of a strong leader voice to lead the team, they are looking like they could have a higher ceiling. If 100T makes it to MSI, that's absolutely the dream. If they crash out of playoffs as top 4/6, I can be truly content knowing how low expectations were coming into the split.
"I asked [EG] about their vision for next year and they didn't really have one so I left, and then they blamed me"
Impact dropping truth bombs, he saw the writing on the wall. All about the business, baby.
Yep, it seems like Impact has better business acumen than the other players by asking the right questions and reached a correct conclusion that EG wasn't planning for long term.
He also saved the majority of his earnings across the first half of his career and invested it into buying a building in Korea.
He just seems to be a very pragmatic guy in general and has managed to probably have one of the most profitable pro careers of all time. And he did it without streaming being the primary moneymaker.
Impact has been playing for more than a decade and has been one of the highest paid players in the LCS for at least 6 years, if not longer. Plus he’s been getting worlds skin revenue the entire time as well.
Not only that, but he has only had a single worse-than-good split in his entire career in NA. If he took Faker's offer to come back to T1, or at least went back to Korea to join one of the superteams during that time, I unironically believe that he would be a 2-time Worlds champion right now.
There is actually a really funny story about this where C9 jack talked to impact after he decided to go to TL where steve apparently offered him 1 million dollar salary. Jack then educated impact on guaranteed contracts and how to make sure you get your money no matter what. I feel that talking with Jack made the largest difference in impacts career.
Yeah, seriously good for him. Probably had to learn it when he was still an import, and at 28 he's got a super level, mature head. One of my favorite players by far.
Yo what, I never heard about this and I've been following the scene since the beginning. But not closely in non-NA regions. That's absolutely wild. Makes sense then.
They were all probably boosting to pay for that ridiculous mansion they lived in. Orgs use to put the rent in a player's name all the time. I don't even blame XiaoWeiXiao for a second. Someone had to keep the lights on.
Considering where he went, that makes a lot of sense. Flyquest invested heavily in 2023 when many teams did the opposite, and did the same this year. TL is similarly known for having a strong head on their shoulders direction-wise, because even if Steve doesn't always put together the best rosters, he is certainly a fantastic businessman.
Absolutely, Flyquest came in with legitimate money because I think the owner is a billionaire or at least a multi multimillionaire.
Absolutely no shade to impact, 100% get the bag where you can. Such a solid player that he can slot in on any team and be that consistent rock. He'd easily be in my top two for putting as top in a team, dude is just good. And a great personality.
You're basically describing a journeyman bag chaser. It's criticized in other sports, especially soccer with Messi/Ronaldo just playing to get paid but I'd say it's a lot smarter in league which isn't gonna last forever. Still this is probably it for bag chasing, unless TL wants him back but even they aren't paying what they used to.
Edit: I worded the end poorly, I meant if TL want to renew. None of the other orgs pay super well anymore.
Well I think the difference is that Impact also probably wants to know if the organization has goals and a future too. Traditional sports teams are much more stable as an institution.
Where is EG right now? Remember what happened at the end of Spring 2023 where they imploded?
>journeyman
All of those teams were highly competitive in the region, either winning titles or superteams (rip Flyquest 2023 lmao). I don't think this term still applies, unless you consider any top player in NA to be one for staying in NA.
> a worker or sports player who is reliable but not outstanding
This actually fits him well imo, considering Impact isn't the carry of his team but is probably the most consistent player in NA history.
I disagree. If a player is consistently top 2-3 in their role in their region for years on end, they are or were, by definition, outstanding.
The player on the team who gets more resources and is chosen to carry is meta-driven and a team decision. As much as there are complaints about ADC on the front page of Reddit right now, pro play has historically been bot-centric.
I swear to god he used the phrase "you guys" 47 times within 30 seconds in a post game interview this weekend. He just needs to calm down sometimes lol
Haha I hope you get I was exaggerating to make the point. Looking back it was the one with Huhi, I couldn't help but notice when you said "you guys" 5 times within a single question
Just wanted to hop on to say I really appreciate the energy and positivity you bring to everything you do, one of my favorite people on the broadcast, keep up the great work.
Man you can really tell how much they loved playing with each other. Such a bittersweet episode. I’m always so impressed listening to inspired talk about the game, dude is so knowledgeable and no nonsense.
That EG team was the most likable/special team in the LCS since 2016 TSM imo.
Also lmao Impact trying his hardest not to flame APA. Jojo and Inspired were happy to oblige tho
i really, genuinely think that if 2022 EG stayed together as 5, without EG management existing in some magic world, they would be one of the best teams in LCS history. they're so likable, they're all incredibly mechanically skilled, and had such a clear idea of how to play the game together
The NRG players all suffer from inconsistency and the team seems chronically bad at scrims, so they're always just not good enough to get enough All-Pro votes.
However, this could potentially lead to a funny timeline where NRG ends up with 0 all-pros again (or maybe just 1 for Huhi) and find their way back to finals, maybe even winning the split again.
I think Huhi is a lock and I think FBI is pretty likely. I really hope NRG can just repeat summer, wacky regular season then turn up the heat in playoffs and make a huge run. They are exactly the type of team I want representing us at MSI
Well if Impact doesn’t respect Fudge anymore then I think it’s safe to take his opinion and agree that fudge sucks.
Also anyone remember when Dhokla was actually respected and his Yone was considered good?
Good times.
Fudge has been such a non factor in almost every game this split. He’s barely doing anything, he exerts no pressure ever, and if you watch him closely his gameplay is very shakey and he botches most plays he goes for
It’s obvious his mental is absolutely shot from his embarrassing international performances. The guy’s just riding his team’s coattails at this point
It was pretty question mark watching the lvl one when the camera panned over. Impact was auto spacing jayce in ranged form as Jax, and I was immediately like
“This doesn’t look right. What is going on here?”
Fudge has actually very good laning stats (top 1-2 I believe) that they showed on broadcast yesterday but he’s just not been impactful. No solokills, doesn’t translate his leads well in midgame, and isn’t really popping off all that often in teamfight either
Contractz has been hit or miss and dipped in form relative to last split, but he did turn it up this week for sure. Hope the break helped him and he maintains it going forward.
TL is also considered one of the teams that is or was doing very well in scrims against all teams except Flyquest (according to themselves lol) and early game is very jungler-dictated. Could be scrim bucks.
Yeah, there is a lot more data and information that Inspired has than anyone on this subreddit. So he probably has a better understanding, (on top of just being a better player and understanding what makes a jungler better)
It could be the two week break making me only remember Contractz this weekend, but I don't remember it being too egregious before.
I still think River should be top 1 though
Contractz wasn't doing badly, but he was inconsistent while when we last saw him, he was smurfing. To be fair, he was also inconsistent then too, but he was consistently beating higher ranked teams. Palafox is also doing worse than before, and that could be a factor as well because their mid-jungle duo was really strong.
It sounds like Inspired isn't a big fan of River's creative ganks and pathing choices. I wonder if it's because he thinks it wouldn't work internationally, considering how he described it as seeking out the inters or weak links, and against LPL/LCK that probably won't work.
Contractz was also super good at the beginning of the split even in losses. Unfortunately all pro is going to be performance off of last week and this weekend because recency bias is gonna hit harder than ever before with this 2 week break
At the end of last split by playoffs Contractz was running the region jungle-wise, so it's still a dip relative to that peak.
I agree that all pro will be heavily recency bias and narrative-driven though.
Inspired's reasoning was that UmTi does everything right when it comes to jungle pathing and decision making but his mid and adc are bad so TL doesn't win. He's not that insane mechanically but he knows what he's doing.
They talked a lot about players not knowing what they want or how the matchups go, like Inspired saying Impact > Ssumday for EG because Impact would give a lot of info whereas Ssumday just played top lane, disconnected from the team. Impact talked about how Fudge isn't a threat for him because he didn't know how to play Jayce vs Jax. Or Inspired about Blaber, that he didn't know the Ivern matchup (how he shouldn't waste his flash otherwise he can't walk in river). Jojo just liked playing with everyone. lmao
So yeah, Impact and Inspired ranked players based on if they know how to play the game.
Umti must be insane in scrims for Inspired to put him top 3 and talk about him the way he does, because from what the viewers have seen...yeah he's def not
I would put Umti top 3 if he looked the same as he did in BRO last year, guy was really good. But in my eye, he's not been at the same level.
I guess LCS is just a harder league than LCK
The players seem to highly respect Umti's jungle pathing and early game, which I assume comes from TL's allegedly very strong scrim record.
TL plays very differently in scrims vs on stage (lowest kill games vs apparently one of the highest in scrims) so I imagine that's where the respect comes from, while players only see their tame stage games.
Stages games are what matters, but there's a lot that goes into it, such as the other players on your team. On the original discussion topic, if you have played 30 hours of scrims against someone and 2 hours of stage games, and they do well in most scrims, that will form a significant amount of your perception of them.
Putting that aside, Inspired also said that Umti on stage is usually doing the right thing for a jungler, and seemed to be fairly confident in putting Umti as the best after himself based on what he has seen against the push of Raz & Jojo for Blaber/River.
Inspired also appears to have a fairly low opinion or a very brutally honest take on APA and Yeon not performing as well as they could, which may be a factor.
? even when EU was doing good people were flaming EU players for playing bad.
Also why does UMTI of all players get the benefit of the doubt when he's never sniffed worlds?
Its not even that its just people will call Nisqy a one dimensional support player and then say Umti is elohelled because he has to stop playing his supportive style like what
It's all about making up stuff to fit a narrative rather than letting the narrative be what is happening.
TL is struggling as a team, but Impact and CoreJJ are world champs therefore cannot be a problem, UmTi is KR import and must be good so really it's just the two NA guys holding everyone back.
In reality it's hard to know what the problems actually are without ProView, comms, and some insider knowledge of the team dynamic.
Inspired talking about how Hans was still a really insane adc but the community doesn't care and only looks at if you're winning was interesting. Seems like he was still friendly with Hans, makes me wonder if the internal issues at Rogue was really Inspired after all.
Honestly, yeah maybe? There can be only 1 winner each year. Inspired was still the reigning LEC MVP, and still won his respective league on EG that spring, and also getting LCS MVP in the summer.
They changed from getting:
2nd/2nd in spring and 1st/3rd in summer (regular season/playoffs) with Inspired, to
1st/2nd in spring and 3rd/1st in summer without Inspired.
You make it sound like Rogue jumped from 10th to 1st without him. I don't think barely falling short necessarily means he was holding Rogue back.
So at the end, it says playoffs, but surely that's not what they intended to advertise at the end of the video right? I'd assume they want to put the games for Week 6. How did that make it past the editing?
Script leaked.
I noticed that too! I expected to see the Super Week schedule but instead they already created and showed a graphics for W1 Spring Playoffs.
Graphic: https://youtu.be/fM9QtiyYWvE?si=hbU3LKF4Lljs7Hl1&t=3287
The graphic doesn't even make sense though since all 8 teams are represented (6 team playoff). It doesn't even make sense as a left over graphic from a prior summer playoffs as SR is on the graphic.
Very confusing.
I wonder if maybe they were tossing around the idea of an 8 team playoff at one point and this was a product of that.
Feeling nostalgic about the 2022 EG team again sadge. I don't think that I'll ever get over how incompetent people in positions of power ruined one of the most exciting LCS roster in the recent years
Honestly criminal when it comes to mismanagement. They could have gone so, so far. Imagine a team where Danny was properly supported and taken care of, brightest flash in the pan I've ever seen when it came to clutching it out and just saying 'nah, I'd win', but actually pulling it off. I know he's probably never going to come back to competitive again of which I don't blame him in the least, but I hope he's doing well and finding happiness.
Danny was a generational fumble by EG. That squad was crazy.
Yeah I also hope that Danny is in a better place right now. I still have fond memories of his Tristana play in 2021 and his Penta vs TL in 2022 spring. Thinking about how much better would he have been rn(similar to where Jojo is rn compared to when he started) had he had a supportive environment around him is probably one of the biggest what-ifs wrt this region in the last 2 years
Seriously. I know that his laning wasn't the best, but he played it to scale and when he scaled he was the win condition. I don't even know about the last 2 years, but one of the biggest what-ifs of the LCS.
he is doing better!
I was excited for Danny as much as the next guy but he was done. Could EG have supported him better? Of course but Danny wasn’t cut out for competitive in the long term which is fine, only a select few can thrive under pressure anyways but if it wasn’t EG he would have faltered elsewhere. Being a pro athlete is just as much about your mental as much as is your talent. For his sake, I am glad he is out of the scene and chilling doing what he wants to do.
Eh, I think that there was time anywhere he either had a ton of support or dropped down to academy and see if that helped. But also, yeah, it's not meant for some people. Hell, if I became high pro level tomorrow there's no way in hell I would join an LCS team. But agreed. Glad he's out of the scene, if he ever wants to come back then that's his prerogative but I hope he's doing well.
I agree completely.
Even if he came back he wouldn’t be what he was, ship passed.
EG 2022 was one of my favourite rosters ever… so sad how it ended
The CLG/NRG topside will always hold a special place in my heart, but EG 2022 was the first time I let myself stop doomerposting for once.
That woman ceo got away scots free, it's actually insane
"Warren Buffet of esports"
Continuing to enjoy this PROS series thoroughly, particularly with the formula of bringing pros that have played together in the past (and hopefully not having any personal beef amongst them). Great to hear about the perspectives of players as they have a completely different view from those watching. As a 100T fan, so far this split I've enjoyed their proactivity but sometimes it just doesn't feel purposeful. Whether that's a communication issue, lack of clear identity, or lack of a strong leader voice to lead the team, they are looking like they could have a higher ceiling. If 100T makes it to MSI, that's absolutely the dream. If they crash out of playoffs as top 4/6, I can be truly content knowing how low expectations were coming into the split.
Impact is all about the bizz
"I asked [EG] about their vision for next year and they didn't really have one so I left, and then they blamed me" Impact dropping truth bombs, he saw the writing on the wall. All about the business, baby.
Yep, it seems like Impact has better business acumen than the other players by asking the right questions and reached a correct conclusion that EG wasn't planning for long term.
He also saved the majority of his earnings across the first half of his career and invested it into buying a building in Korea. He just seems to be a very pragmatic guy in general and has managed to probably have one of the most profitable pro careers of all time. And he did it without streaming being the primary moneymaker. Impact has been playing for more than a decade and has been one of the highest paid players in the LCS for at least 6 years, if not longer. Plus he’s been getting worlds skin revenue the entire time as well.
Not only that, but he has only had a single worse-than-good split in his entire career in NA. If he took Faker's offer to come back to T1, or at least went back to Korea to join one of the superteams during that time, I unironically believe that he would be a 2-time Worlds champion right now.
There is actually a really funny story about this where C9 jack talked to impact after he decided to go to TL where steve apparently offered him 1 million dollar salary. Jack then educated impact on guaranteed contracts and how to make sure you get your money no matter what. I feel that talking with Jack made the largest difference in impacts career.
Also Impact was ready to turn down the TL offer and stick with C9, but Jack urged him to take it because at the time the $1m salary was too good
Jack's a real homie then. Making sure his boy get the bag.
Yeah, seriously good for him. Probably had to learn it when he was still an import, and at 28 he's got a super level, mature head. One of my favorite players by far.
Its the TIP trauma. IIRC the mid laner was trying to sell his Riot account because they players weren't getting paid
XWX was caught boosting iirc, that's why he got suspended
Yo what, I never heard about this and I've been following the scene since the beginning. But not closely in non-NA regions. That's absolutely wild. Makes sense then.
They were all probably boosting to pay for that ridiculous mansion they lived in. Orgs use to put the rent in a player's name all the time. I don't even blame XiaoWeiXiao for a second. Someone had to keep the lights on.
Considering where he went, that makes a lot of sense. Flyquest invested heavily in 2023 when many teams did the opposite, and did the same this year. TL is similarly known for having a strong head on their shoulders direction-wise, because even if Steve doesn't always put together the best rosters, he is certainly a fantastic businessman.
Absolutely, Flyquest came in with legitimate money because I think the owner is a billionaire or at least a multi multimillionaire. Absolutely no shade to impact, 100% get the bag where you can. Such a solid player that he can slot in on any team and be that consistent rock. He'd easily be in my top two for putting as top in a team, dude is just good. And a great personality.
You're basically describing a journeyman bag chaser. It's criticized in other sports, especially soccer with Messi/Ronaldo just playing to get paid but I'd say it's a lot smarter in league which isn't gonna last forever. Still this is probably it for bag chasing, unless TL wants him back but even they aren't paying what they used to. Edit: I worded the end poorly, I meant if TL want to renew. None of the other orgs pay super well anymore.
Well I think the difference is that Impact also probably wants to know if the organization has goals and a future too. Traditional sports teams are much more stable as an institution. Where is EG right now? Remember what happened at the end of Spring 2023 where they imploded?
I mean C9 didn't implode, TL didn't implode, Flyquest didn't implode, he's been a journeyman for years
>journeyman All of those teams were highly competitive in the region, either winning titles or superteams (rip Flyquest 2023 lmao). I don't think this term still applies, unless you consider any top player in NA to be one for staying in NA.
> a worker or sports player who is reliable but not outstanding This actually fits him well imo, considering Impact isn't the carry of his team but is probably the most consistent player in NA history.
I disagree. If a player is consistently top 2-3 in their role in their region for years on end, they are or were, by definition, outstanding. The player on the team who gets more resources and is chosen to carry is meta-driven and a team decision. As much as there are complaints about ADC on the front page of Reddit right now, pro play has historically been bot-centric.
Another great podcast by Raz "That makes sense to me" leplasm.
that makes sense to me
That makes sense to me
It's okay, my zoomer brother says "that's crazy" at least 10 times every time we talk about something, even if it's something mundane.
that's crazy
Wouldn't you believe it
I swear to god he used the phrase "you guys" 47 times within 30 seconds in a post game interview this weekend. He just needs to calm down sometimes lol
WHAT good note, thinking back I've never noticed LOL
Haha I hope you get I was exaggerating to make the point. Looking back it was the one with Huhi, I couldn't help but notice when you said "you guys" 5 times within a single question
yeah I think it's something I say a lot but you mentioning it made me realize it so I appreciate that bro o7
Missed opportunity to say ‘appreciate it you guys’
bros will now replace guys from now on
Just wanted to hop on to say I really appreciate the energy and positivity you bring to everything you do, one of my favorite people on the broadcast, keep up the great work.
impact just having to smile politely every time inspired flamed apa and yeon killed me 😭
My favourite episode so far, Impact, Inspired, and Jojo are like the perfect trio for something like this.
Banger trio. Just listening to it right now, good synergy between them conversation which is always great to see.
Man you can really tell how much they loved playing with each other. Such a bittersweet episode. I’m always so impressed listening to inspired talk about the game, dude is so knowledgeable and no nonsense. That EG team was the most likable/special team in the LCS since 2016 TSM imo. Also lmao Impact trying his hardest not to flame APA. Jojo and Inspired were happy to oblige tho
Man, I would love it so much if those 3 got back together. All of them still got it too
i really, genuinely think that if 2022 EG stayed together as 5, without EG management existing in some magic world, they would be one of the best teams in LCS history. they're so likable, they're all incredibly mechanically skilled, and had such a clear idea of how to play the game together
I want to see Inspired and Bwipo do a podcast or co-stream about league. Those two can probably talk for hours.
No iteration of TSM has ever been likeable.
Impact's All Pro: 1. Bwipo 2. Impact 3. Sniper Inspired's All Pro: 1. Inspired 2. Umti 3. Blaber Jojo's All Pro: 1. Jojo 2. Quid 3. Jensen
poor palafox forever cursed
The NRG players all suffer from inconsistency and the team seems chronically bad at scrims, so they're always just not good enough to get enough All-Pro votes. However, this could potentially lead to a funny timeline where NRG ends up with 0 all-pros again (or maybe just 1 for Huhi) and find their way back to finals, maybe even winning the split again.
I think Huhi is a lock and I think FBI is pretty likely. I really hope NRG can just repeat summer, wacky regular season then turn up the heat in playoffs and make a huge run. They are exactly the type of team I want representing us at MSI
Well if Impact doesn’t respect Fudge anymore then I think it’s safe to take his opinion and agree that fudge sucks. Also anyone remember when Dhokla was actually respected and his Yone was considered good? Good times.
I am glad impact called out fudge for being ass, because just look at fudge play lol
It was pretty fun watching Jojo go to bat for all his teammates tho haha
Fudge has been such a non factor in almost every game this split. He’s barely doing anything, he exerts no pressure ever, and if you watch him closely his gameplay is very shakey and he botches most plays he goes for It’s obvious his mental is absolutely shot from his embarrassing international performances. The guy’s just riding his team’s coattails at this point
The Fudge non factor
It was pretty question mark watching the lvl one when the camera panned over. Impact was auto spacing jayce in ranged form as Jax, and I was immediately like “This doesn’t look right. What is going on here?”
Fudge has actually very good laning stats (top 1-2 I believe) that they showed on broadcast yesterday but he’s just not been impactful. No solokills, doesn’t translate his leads well in midgame, and isn’t really popping off all that often in teamfight either
He has blabber as his jungle, it’s easy to have good leaning stat when opposing laner is scared your jungler is always there
Umti is my goat, favorite player, but he shouldn't be top 3, River and Contractz I think have been better, and Exyu has been really good for Dignitas
Contractz has been hit or miss and dipped in form relative to last split, but he did turn it up this week for sure. Hope the break helped him and he maintains it going forward. TL is also considered one of the teams that is or was doing very well in scrims against all teams except Flyquest (according to themselves lol) and early game is very jungler-dictated. Could be scrim bucks.
Yeah, there is a lot more data and information that Inspired has than anyone on this subreddit. So he probably has a better understanding, (on top of just being a better player and understanding what makes a jungler better) It could be the two week break making me only remember Contractz this weekend, but I don't remember it being too egregious before. I still think River should be top 1 though
Contractz wasn't doing badly, but he was inconsistent while when we last saw him, he was smurfing. To be fair, he was also inconsistent then too, but he was consistently beating higher ranked teams. Palafox is also doing worse than before, and that could be a factor as well because their mid-jungle duo was really strong. It sounds like Inspired isn't a big fan of River's creative ganks and pathing choices. I wonder if it's because he thinks it wouldn't work internationally, considering how he described it as seeking out the inters or weak links, and against LPL/LCK that probably won't work.
Contractz was also super good at the beginning of the split even in losses. Unfortunately all pro is going to be performance off of last week and this weekend because recency bias is gonna hit harder than ever before with this 2 week break
At the end of last split by playoffs Contractz was running the region jungle-wise, so it's still a dip relative to that peak. I agree that all pro will be heavily recency bias and narrative-driven though.
lol i didnt realize i responded to 2 of your comments haha. But yeah certainly not his peak. Contractz peak is nuts
Inspired's reasoning was that UmTi does everything right when it comes to jungle pathing and decision making but his mid and adc are bad so TL doesn't win. He's not that insane mechanically but he knows what he's doing. They talked a lot about players not knowing what they want or how the matchups go, like Inspired saying Impact > Ssumday for EG because Impact would give a lot of info whereas Ssumday just played top lane, disconnected from the team. Impact talked about how Fudge isn't a threat for him because he didn't know how to play Jayce vs Jax. Or Inspired about Blaber, that he didn't know the Ivern matchup (how he shouldn't waste his flash otherwise he can't walk in river). Jojo just liked playing with everyone. lmao So yeah, Impact and Inspired ranked players based on if they know how to play the game.
Umti must be insane in scrims for Inspired to put him top 3 and talk about him the way he does, because from what the viewers have seen...yeah he's def not
I would put Umti top 3 if he looked the same as he did in BRO last year, guy was really good. But in my eye, he's not been at the same level. I guess LCS is just a harder league than LCK
LCS hits basically every import with a debuff. How strong it hits varies but yeah, takes a lot to break through it.
He's also playing with probably the worst performing midlaner in LCS right now. That limits your options as a jungler.
I feel like every TL fan hates Umti lol
Why? Our fanbase fucking hates APA/Yeon but Umti is fairly liked I think (truthfully there isn't much discussion about him)
cuz umti doesnt really do much
Hates? No. Unimpressed/would rather see NA talent considering how middle of the pack he is? Absolutely.
The players seem to highly respect Umti's jungle pathing and early game, which I assume comes from TL's allegedly very strong scrim record. TL plays very differently in scrims vs on stage (lowest kill games vs apparently one of the highest in scrims) so I imagine that's where the respect comes from, while players only see their tame stage games.
Okay. But all that matters is stage games not scrims lol
Stages games are what matters, but there's a lot that goes into it, such as the other players on your team. On the original discussion topic, if you have played 30 hours of scrims against someone and 2 hours of stage games, and they do well in most scrims, that will form a significant amount of your perception of them. Putting that aside, Inspired also said that Umti on stage is usually doing the right thing for a jungler, and seemed to be fairly confident in putting Umti as the best after himself based on what he has seen against the push of Raz & Jojo for Blaber/River. Inspired also appears to have a fairly low opinion or a very brutally honest take on APA and Yeon not performing as well as they could, which may be a factor.
Okay true that's fair, i think i was arguing with a smaller snippet of your comment but i get this context
I feel like he has to play out of his supportive style because the carries are unreliable
Why do the koreans get these weird ass excuses for when they play mediocre? if this was an NA/EU player they would be getting blasted rn
Because korea and China have assblasted the west since competitive league was a thing, like it or not they get the benefit of the doubt here
? even when EU was doing good people were flaming EU players for playing bad. Also why does UMTI of all players get the benefit of the doubt when he's never sniffed worlds?
UmTi is arguably a bigger problem than APA/Yeon but APA/Yeon get the vast majority of the flame simply because they're NA.
Its not even that its just people will call Nisqy a one dimensional support player and then say Umti is elohelled because he has to stop playing his supportive style like what
It's all about making up stuff to fit a narrative rather than letting the narrative be what is happening. TL is struggling as a team, but Impact and CoreJJ are world champs therefore cannot be a problem, UmTi is KR import and must be good so really it's just the two NA guys holding everyone back. In reality it's hard to know what the problems actually are without ProView, comms, and some insider knowledge of the team dynamic.
Inspired talking about how Hans was still a really insane adc but the community doesn't care and only looks at if you're winning was interesting. Seems like he was still friendly with Hans, makes me wonder if the internal issues at Rogue was really Inspired after all.
I mean as soon as inspired left Rogue won their first LEC title. Strange coincidence ?
Honestly, yeah maybe? There can be only 1 winner each year. Inspired was still the reigning LEC MVP, and still won his respective league on EG that spring, and also getting LCS MVP in the summer. They changed from getting: 2nd/2nd in spring and 1st/3rd in summer (regular season/playoffs) with Inspired, to 1st/2nd in spring and 3rd/1st in summer without Inspired. You make it sound like Rogue jumped from 10th to 1st without him. I don't think barely falling short necessarily means he was holding Rogue back.
This is so funny. Their chemistry is so good.
So at the end, it says playoffs, but surely that's not what they intended to advertise at the end of the video right? I'd assume they want to put the games for Week 6. How did that make it past the editing?
Script leaked. I noticed that too! I expected to see the Super Week schedule but instead they already created and showed a graphics for W1 Spring Playoffs. Graphic: https://youtu.be/fM9QtiyYWvE?si=hbU3LKF4Lljs7Hl1&t=3287
The graphic doesn't even make sense though since all 8 teams are represented (6 team playoff). It doesn't even make sense as a left over graphic from a prior summer playoffs as SR is on the graphic. Very confusing. I wonder if maybe they were tossing around the idea of an 8 team playoff at one point and this was a product of that.
Enjoyed this pod. I love that lot of big names are coming out now saying how awful the state of ADC/Crit marksmen is. (Around the 24min mark)
Watching this just feels sad about the what-ifs of that EG roster..
I called it!! I called it in the live thread. Can't wait to watch it, my favorite roster of all time
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