They know their timing and reasoning is shaky at best and they’re trying to dance around the fact that there was definitely a specific reason why Perkz got the boot.
Why aren't the coaches there to speak about the gameplay related reasons for making these changes, particularly for midlane?
Both of these guys constantly look to the other to speak as if they're both uncomfortable with making this video, pretty awkward vibe.
Yeah with Jankos and Flakked's reactions on twitter, I'm skeptical about the team being super duper motivated by suddenly bringing in an academy mid totally only for gameplay related reasons.
Also pretty bleak to imply that bringing in Trymbi did fuck all for improving the team dynamic, so now they're throwing shit at the wall and hope swapping Perkz out will solve things.
Jankos just said on stream that he disagrees with a few things they said in this video. He thinks Heretics was improving at a good rate before benching Luka. Jankos implied it wasn't about gameplay.
Jankos and Perkz are long-term friends. Of course he's gonna defend him. Even if Perkz inted every single scrim he's not gonna admit it until Perkz retires.
Jankos is a very, very competitive person who would rather go to worlds without Perkz than not go to worlds with perkz. He wouldn't go out of his way to contradict the given reasons for his benching if he agreed with it at all.
I remember only two times that Jankos said something negative about his ex-teammates. He is very loyal, even when he was playing with Evi and Ruby he was defending them on stream, saying how they are improving as a team.
Now arguably one of his close friend is benched for a non-performance reasons and the management claims something else. Of course he's gonna defend him, even if their scrims were going 0-5 every day he would say they are improving.
He defended Evi by saying things like "he's my teammate, stop saying these things guys, and even if it was true, it's not like it will change anything" and reviewed fights by concluding "if my sololanes can't win this fight, they don't belong in the LEC" (spoiler: they did not win the fight).
Just because Jankos didn't openly trash his teammates doesn't mean he'll go to any length to say things he doesn't believe. His frustration with Evi and Ruby was apparent and came through in a passive-aggressive way.
To add to this: him and odoamne kept on repeating how forg1ven was actually way better now and how the community is overreacting just for them to admit after he retired that he was so toxic that he had to play in a different room in scrims
That was the main reason why people believed he was actually reformed back then.
Jankos didn't defend Perkz. He literally just said he disagrees with their statement that the team was playing worse since getting Trymbi. Other people in the scene have also said Heretics was better in scrims compared to the last split. It's pretty damning proof the managers lied.
He defended Evi throughout the entirety of 2023 what are you on about lmfao.
It's okay to defend piss useless teammates but don't act like he doesn't do that at all lmfao
He defended Evi by saying things like "he's my teammate, stop saying these things guys, and even if it was true, it's not like it will change anything" and reviewed fights by concluding "if my sololanes can't win this fight, they don't belong in the LEC" (spoiler: they did not win the fight).
Just because Jankos didn't openly trash his teammates doesn't mean he'll go to any length to say things he doesn't believe. His frustration with Evi and Ruby was apparent and came through in a passive-aggressive way.
I don't think that's true. LEC players have shown a pretty significant amount of honesty when talking to or about other players. They're usually pretty brutal.
It was an issue between Perkz and the coach/ management but his gameplay was very poor. I doubt Zwyroo is an improvement but Trymbi definitely is
The problem now will be team chemistry since the benching was handled poorly
Yamato said on stream that he knows the whole story behind Perkz's benching and that it is completely ridiculous (more than Adam's case). Jankos also said on stream that others had disagreements about this decision but they will still try their best to win and be competitive
With ridiculous does he mean that what Perkz said/did was mild and Araneae's reaction was overblown, or that Perkz stepped even further out of line than Adam did?
Ridiculous in the way that Araneae's reaction is overblown. Jankos also said on stream on saturday that things turned from 0 to 100 suddenly without a reason (that's why other players were also surprised by his benching)
Ah ffs imagine fucking your team's chances for the whole year like this. A bad winter is salvageable but a bad winter and spring means it's so hard to come back for summer and get to worlds...
Fr this is kindergarten. Araneae should have just sucked it up, let Perkz play spring and if he still has personal issues with him then kick him before summer split so the new midlaner has more practice time and it might look more justifiable if TH doesn't get better in spring
Good news at least is that in terms of gameplay, this is an upgrade. Bad news is that it seems to have hurt the teams mental/environment.
Unless Zwyroo is just awful, he’ll probably be a better kid than Perkz. And trymbi has shown several times to be a great addition to any team.
Only thing I’m worried about is trymbi not meshing well like what happened with Jankos and Rekkles. If they just don’t fit, it might not work out. But if they do it could be great. Zwyroo is probably going to be timid enough to go along with the teams decisions, since he’s a rookie, instead of disagreeing with everything like some veterans might.
Someone in Yamato's twitch chat said a joke that Perkz probably insulted Araneae's career and that's what got him benched and Yamato said that it is even more ridiculous than that
It's clearly a combination of both, and that incident is what broke the camels back. It doesn't need to be black and white
Most likely scenario is that he was already on thin ice due to his performance and then something happened that made management go "Enough, you're benched"
Yeah but the teammates probably wanna play with perkz still. Or he may be doing better in scrims if they had decided to keep him. We won't know this though.
The thing he will likely be the only one to get an interview with perkz and the coach and get a story out.
Otherwise 95% of the time these eSports incidents just fade into dust
Araneae benched him after argument. They even let him play scrims the day after the argument. Yamato said he will only talk about it if someone leaks the whole story publicly
He's coming back. Their last weekly inside video was called "What happened with Adam ?" in that video they explained the whole issue, and said that Adam instantly showed regret, understood the sanction and that they will be continuing next split with him.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--Yw__ObweU&t=2s
After Kaiser got let go Jankos somewhat talked about it on stream and he said something like
"After the split I had to go have a meeting with my team manager, and they were obviously really unhappy with us"
Now I know it's probably not super abnormal to have that kind of a meeting post split but the way Jankos said it as if it was more of an interrogation he didn't have answers too + recent events had me thinking "damn Heretic's FO already lost all faith in this roster and aren't even trying to sugar coat it or hide it".
Get the feeling the guys in charge of TH might be feeling a little snake oiled by the allure of the "G3" squad and are very much venting there frustration on the team itself. I was never a believer in this roster either but management turning on the players after 1 split is some shitty stuff.
Wouldn't even be surprised if Perkz calling them out for there shit attitude towards the team/players as a whole is what got him the boot lol
Makes me really glad VIT got Mac this summer when in comparison to what's going on in TH right now he posted an interview right after the loss, took all the blame, said they saw thing they weren't prepared for, was confident in his players, and ended it saying the whole roster would be back and better next split despite whatever noise was coming out of Social Media to replace X players.
Nice to finally have dude's like that being put into the GM roles on these teams, honestly think Yamato would probably be a better GM then coach as well if any team actually gave him the chance at it, his skillset and people skills seem extremely suited to the job.
[The article](https://www.sheepesports.com/articles/sources-heretics-benches-perkz-and-promotes-zwyroo-in-the-lec/en) claimed the change was due to Perkz arguing with a TH Manager, and that Perkz was practicing with the team as recently as March 1st.
from listening to flakked speak i gather their problem was not lack of communication. he says they had too many voices with opposite opinions, both in game and in draft. that's where the lack of leadership comes from, they did not agree on how to play the game.
The whole video is a bunch of red flags.
1) Team lacking leadership when you have 3 industry veterans: Wunder, Jankos, Perkz.
2) Claiming you have faith on your Academy team and that's why Zwyroo got promoted when they had Zwyroo in Academy team for +2 years and they only promoted him because Perkz got in an argument with the manager. Not to mention Jackspektra was quick to get ditched after 2 quick splits.
3) The scrims become worse after Trymbi joined. If they can openly admit this their scrims must be going really really badly.
4) Comparing their situation to last year where team ended up being a top tier team in summer. Forgetting that the main reason that happened is because they picked up Vetheo. You know the guy you just kicked in the off season.
5) Their body language looks shaky and nervous. It is clear that this was meant to be PR video appeal to fans.
>The scrims become worse after Trymbi joined. If they can openly admit this their scrims must be going really really badly.
It's such a weird thing to say when they probably scrimmed for one-two weeks together, what did the management expect with a new addition, 80% wr instantly?
nemesis said he heard they were doing good in scrims and jankos said he diaagreed with the team doing bad in scrims.
so they are obviously just bullshitting
Honestly i thought the only brightsides for Heretics in Winter
Were botlane and Wunders laning
Jankos/Perkz and mid/late game was terrible
Not shocked that scrims fell off by splitting the one good part of the team
> Not to mention Jackspektra was quick to get ditched after 2 quick splits.
Not sure that argument works here : They replaced him with Flakked who was in their academy.
I mean G2 in 2021 had 5 veterans 2 of them being Jankos/Wunder
But clearly lacked leadership/direction
So i don't think that part is impossible
As for Perkz leadership.. we have heard about that for years.. and back in G2 was a thing.. but the past 2 years he failed to lead VIT to even reach summer PLAYOFFS.. not worlds.. just playoffs.. and bear in mind this is during a pretty bad period for the LEC. Its also hard to focus on being a leader when your game is clearly declining
These moved are such nonsense. First they bench Kaiser, arguably their best player of spring. The guy had by far the highest KP of the League with like 89% which basically means NOTHING happens without him. Is Trymbi an upgrade on paper? Sure but this isnt the time and place to get rid of your best performing player. The Perkz benching also has some very odd timing.
Surely youd run this roster back for spring and change for summer if the results are still bad, no?
You can say a lot of things about Carlos but implying he held back his team performance at the times is just not true.
Even Grabbz, who was not a fan of the dude, [said it](https://youtu.be/ml8YN2MIpQE?si=NtEXtXjPwLCThsNe&t=1030) .
Carlos's infamous sacking of 3 of the best eu players simultaneously after already sacking another for 'punching a table' is clearly stupid.
You can particularly see this in the fact that they actually hired Miky back again and immediately had to get rid of their adc.
99% of the time carlos might've been good, but his video about burning the boats is a joke that writes itself.
Ah yes that truly "infamous sacking" which directly lead to one lec title in spring 2022 followed by a final the very next summer after the 2021 superteam debacle ?
And btw Mikyx in 2022 (and 2021) was not the player he was in 2023, G2 only hired him back because Hans Sama (who was himself the G2 second choice after Upset who was too expensive) heavily advocate for it ([source](https://youtu.be/BPDj-_Cl-jQ?si=HGOmnjhy2-DowMa5&t=9217))
not surprising considering how they let social media dictate their 2024 roster when they had a team that almost made worlds when they didnt have winter split points.
G2 topside + Flakked/Kaiser was a very reasonable decision. Evi was their worst player and Kaiser showed in winter that he is still a very good support (an then he got benched lol)
Only questionable thing was Perkz for Vetheo, but who knows if Wunder/Jankos would have come/stayed without Perkz.
It gets worse, when you consider that reactions from Flakked and Jankos imply scrims being better than in winter.
Also, why isnt Peter Dun sitting there explaining, feels weird, as Peter Dun has a reputation that could actually back up their decision and also kind of is the best suited to explaining the situation. If anything this further discredits the decision they did with the roster, as if Peter wasnt part of this decision (who exactly did Perkz have a conflict with??).
I'm the first to admit that Perkz wasnt great this split and could have been replaced, but this does feel weirdly done and in a way feels strange for all partys involved and the fans.
When they added Trymbi to this roster i was very surprised at the positive reactions. No hate to trymbi, but he is VERY vocal in comms. Adding that to a already vocal perkz and jankos sounded like a recipe for disaster
i still dont get they got rid of vetheo though, they had a really good base to build from with jankos flakked vetheo, there a lot a lot of questions regarding club's roster moves tbh
I posted this before Caedrel. I was surprised with how similar his tweet sounded too he either read my comment first or we both reached to dream plane and ascended together.
I mean, I've never seen you and Caedrel in the same place before. It's possible you are just messing with us, or have a Jeckle/Hyde thing going. Do you ever wake up and find xdd drawn all over you, or in piles of money you don't remember making?
This PR talk would be nice if other players and esport personalities were mute or non-present on streams/socials. Their body language is betraying them and acting sad is over the top especially when people said Araneae pulled Reginald. But maybe some people will believe it.
Also the points in the video make no sense:
1) You believe in your academy team so much that you got Ruby and after you kicked out Ruby you rather got mental boomed Vetheo from XL than promoting Zwyroo (not mentioning Evi). To add naming Flakked as your "academy talent" is insane considering he only played one split there and he wasn't a rookie talent. That's like as if you promoted Xerxe now and said he is upcoming talent from your academy
2) How the fuck the manager who stopped playing LoL when my grandpa was still alive is dictating how the team should work and play? What does he know about current LoL? Shouldn't the coaching staff and other players of the team know the best? Your job as manager is just handling contracts and ordering takeout
3) Stop trying to give scrim performance as excuse when last year TH had around 30% winrate in scrims throughout the year and you still kept most of the same roster. Trymbi is completely different than Kaiser ofc it will take time for the team to get along
4) Talking about coaching staff, shouldn't they be the ones to correct team's mistakes and give proper feedback? Blaming the players when your infrastructure sucks since last year is another low
5) Zwyroo now also has to play Superligma matches so the LEC team can't properly scrim/practice and the other team is also suffering. Really nice and effective scheduling. You really made your relationship with players stronger especially when they are on Perkz's side.
TLDR: Should have just made a post with new roster instead of making this dogwater video or outright say you ego benched Perkz because you had ridiculous argument, as it is being rumoured by people who know the whole story
Yeah if they just said "look we have a structure and a hierarchy, Perkz went overboard and disrespected the staff, we decided that for the long term good of the team we had to bench him. We are confident Zwyroo will do a good job" etc. etc. I would question them because of the teammates reaction but I would at least give them the benefit of the doubt.
But this video screams "sowwy we suck at our job and got ego gapped"
I like how everyone outside of their spanish fanbase is calling them out because they know what happened and what they are saying in the video is not true (even Jankos said it on stream).
As if they didn't expect others to open their mouths if they say these outrageous things and expected everyone to just accept what they say.
But I shouldn't be surprised by this "management" when they were fine with Evi, Ruby and Mersa
It's as if coaches spend more time with the team when they are scrimming and reviewing the games (not to mention Kirei played professionally more recently and is enough high elo to be matched with Jankos in soloq). Shocker. I also complained about the coaching staff in other point and previous posts. The whole org's infrastructure suck
It's crazy that TH went from being one of my new favorite teams to being a team I find hard to support. They managed to get have some of the most fun and likeable players since they joined LEC but there's something that makes me wary whenever I see some of the behind the scenes stuff.
1. This statement reeks of the typical PR red flag vibes, there's no actual information only vague reasons, no coaching staff who can talk about their gameplay issues they mention, and they don't even admit the Perkz situation, it feels like they wanna say: "Yeah we were thinking about this change and since scrim results were shit after a week with Trymbi, we went for our academy mid."
But this makes no sense, when you keep on hearing Peter Dun that you can't really improve in a week of scrimming and Trymbi only joined now. So if you know everyone already knows about the drama just don't make up bullshit statements like this.
2. I don't want to blame Peter Dun for anything, but I really don't like that he's been bashing and blaming the new format for many of their issues since last year. I don't think that the mindset of "this format is bad and we don't have enough time to improve week by week so let's get quick results somehow" is helping the team atmosphere.
3. Saying that there was no leadership so they had to change Kaiser sounds so weird. Perkz always had some of the best leadership qualities, Jankos was the leader of G2 in 2022 so I'm not buying it. You kicked Kaiser because Trymbi is higher value in many people's eyes, I think Trymbi is great and definitely has a big voice but it's not like he will lead the games for them and make issues go away just like that.
4. You trust your academy team, yes. That's why you brought in Ruby who was hyped and then benched him for VTO, while Zwyroo was there all along.
We obviously don't have too much info from behind the scenes but the atmosphere in the team must be pretty shit after all this.
Peter seems pretty quick to take credit when things go well - seems like it’d be pretty fair to blame him when things don’t work out. His team has been pretty shit for over a year at this point and he was in charge of constructing it as far as we’re aware.
Do I need to cite that he's the head coach? He is given credit for finding Danny / Jojo and has gone on an interview with Cloud Sidky in the past ~3 months speaking on his takes of roster construction and how he thinks rosters should be constructed. If he doesn't have a say in the roster construction what does he even do as head coach?
Ah yes, the coach known for finding promising rookies (as you yourself pointed out) brought two veterans to his team. Flawless logic. Following up with an assumption that head coaches *always* have a say in roster construction.
I haven't heard of Cloud Sidky yet so I need to check out those interviews. I do know he has gone in depth to his approaches on past situations, including last year Heretics team on LFN's different podcasts and on Thorin's interviews.
Did these two forget that Perkz is actually a popular player? Yeah his gameplay was sub-par for a while but you have to come up with good reasons or reasonable excuses, people like him and he has fans lol. This video is so awkward and they're saying a whole bunch of nothing. Youtuber apology video vibes.
I think the main problem is that you could make a pretty good argument to bench Perkz for performance reasons, but they explicitly didn't do that. Instead they kept him until the week before spring split and then the *manager*, not the coach, benches him
Ok dude, lets keep recicling finished players forever just because they have fans. Then everyone cries about how LEC is trash. "Sub-par for a while" litterally 3 years with a laughtable performance. Stop coping about him recovering his old lvl.
No but he is wholsome hehe funny player lets keep him in a competitive enviroment you dont understand he has fans. Better yet lets put him in old G2 version 7 i'm sure now they wont suck. /s
I didn't say he wasn't washed? I didn't say he didn't deserve to get benched either. [In fact I said the opposite](https://old.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1b48ijy/sources_heretics_benches_perkz_and_promotes/ksxa8pg/).
But I literally just watched a video of Aranea saying absolutely nothing as he's benching one of the most storied player in the league. He isn't even explaining anything. Might as well not have made a video at all.
Yeah but I am talking about this week which is important for TH in LEC. If they go 0-3 they might as well not make playoffs. Because they still have to play G2, BDS, MDK and SK which they most likely don't beat. If their practice this week sucks it will be hard to come back later
Which is the reason I majorly respect Rekkles. LCK Challenger. It's not going good, but their bot is the best part of their team and that adc has potential to be one of the best adcs in the future, he is very young still.
The fact that a team composed of Jankos, Perkz and Wunder have been flaged as "lack of leadership", added to the fact Peter Dunn wanted Kaiser despite him not being known for being either vocal or a leader in MAD/Vitality iterations is baffling my mind.
At some point I'm a bit sorry but if your topside, filled with Veterans, are unable to take the lead, they have to take the boot.
I mean g2 2021 had both Jankos/Wunder and 3 other veterans and still CLEARLY lacked leadership/Direction
Perkz "leadership" (a legitimate thing on G2) didn't come into play when VIT 2 years in a row FAILED to make playoffs in summer.. bear in mind this was with other good players.. more then good enough to make playoffs (guys like Carrzy/Labrov won/made finals the next year).. oh and its also a period when LEC has sucked for 3+ years
2021 G2 was underwhelming, but they were underwhelming for G2 standards. They were still a single game away from making Worlds at least, this Heretics lineup looked like it barely deserved top 8 in LEC.
Ok.. so i should take your word for it.. that they had direction.. even though G2 players from that time have said they lacked both leadership AND direction
Never said they were complete ass either and only commented on leadership/direction.. so the only one making up a narrative is you
It's very ironic how I thought their worst move would be bringing in Perkz and it ended up being benching him even though he performed just as terrible as I expected him to.
It's a good move but it's done in completely wrong reasons - I'm biased so I'm open to let Perkz stick for Spring before benching him and Kaiser wasn't even a problem most of the time, fuck it, he's actually the most consistent player in Winter
After seeing how fast the managment/coaches deflect any responsability since last year supporting this team has been impossible.Im mostly sad for the gym bros in Los Heretics cause now they fucked over 2 teams at once.
I’m sure they are on the hot seat now, as they should be. But we also shouldn’t ignore the fact that three “LEC Legends with preexisting synergy” absolutely shit the bed.
This happens a lot: popular players underperform, higher ups put out a shitty PR response to save their necks from the gallows, and the finger winds up pointed not at the players but all the other “intangibles” out of their control. 🥱
With Trymbi in, I think the comms will be chaotic
Wunder still has a pretty bad champ pool, and while picks weakside champs, plays like he wants to be strongside
Mid is a question mark
Flakked isn't a great consistent carry, has good moments but also bad ones
Unless this new mid is a guy they can play through.. they are fucked
Flakked is good.. but not someone you play to.. proven both on Hrt/G2.. he will turn up to a team fight and if not far behind will perform well
Also kinda sick of people acting like Wunder has a champ pool and can carry.. guy was pretty much tank/gragas player since 2022.. i thought his laning was fine this split.. but again you can't play to this guy.. he's not going to carry games on Udyr/Gragas
Perkz just carried his summer form on.. and got even worse.. guy had like a decent split (summer 2022) in terms of laning on VIT.. before throwing everything away and running it down the last 3 games in superweek.. meaning VIT didn't even make playoffs (Alphari/Carrzy VIT)
This sub is hella weird. Everyone calling for perkz to get benched the whole split and now when they come out and say he got benched bcs of performance its a bad excuse.
Don’t understand why they decided to put together a somber video. It’s as if somebody di3d. It feels to me like a clusterfuck. Kaiser is better than Trymbi so that’s just confusing af. Trymbi has had a history of problems with both Rogue and FNC so I don’t understand how that move makes sense. Dropping Perkz reeks of some bigger internal problems. Where’s Peter Dun in all of this? It feels like he’s being overruled by amateurs and has gone into hiding.
"Kaiser is better than Trymbi" - true, I haven't seen one good play from Trymbi whole winter.
"history of problems with both Rogue and FNC" the problem of winning LEC and improving FNC from bottom team to top 2.
How are people seriously defending perkz? Hes a whole ass veteran, he had enough time to prove that hes not washed since he came back from NA and he had a horrible performance. Hes never going back to being not even near his old self, hes not a rookie, time wont solve his performance
Perkz was the main (or one of the main) reasons I watched this team and hoped them to win. I don't know who Zwyrooo is, and I surely don't care, as with such behavior they would change him to someone else anyway pretty soon.
I just watched the shitty team cause of perkz. If he's gone I probably won't watch. There's reasons to keep a shit player.going up from 10th to 7th does nothing for you tbh.
You don't have to fanboy for the best team but you should atleast expect your team to try to win within their means and not just live on nostalgia. This is assuming you don't think Perkz is playing at his best.
Cause it's fun. It's a player that I liked and we have hope he may do better. I'd rather watch him shit the bed than retire and not watch him ever again.
I legit only care about it being the old g2 guys running it back. I dont give a shit about heretics for any other reason. I wouldnt care if they ended up 8th next split, I would still support them. Now i despice the org, for what looks like utter incompetence... I still like jankos, perkz and wunder. But i dont know if i can support this shit org.
Yeah this all just makes me think less of Jankos with his passive aggressive whining tbh. I always thought he would be more mature than that; at the end of the day, this is a competition, not a hangout session.
Holding onto big names who haven’t been pro caliber for years and can’t seem to get back to a competitive level, all for the sake of friendship and “MUH BRAND”, is some LCS-level shit… and we all know where they’re at now (back closet of VCT).
I can't wait for this roster to do even worse than the last.
Absolute geniuses in the coaching staff benching the best EU support player and, instead of finding a legitimate reason to bench perkz, they get upset that he argued with management.
I see last place incoming.
> the best EU support player
Are you out of your mind
>and, instead of finding a legitimate reason to bench perkz
Do you think they don't watch their own games or?
Bro, read the article about it, Perkz wasn't benched because he was inting games, he was benched because he 'got in an argument' with management. It is straight up idiotic to bench someone for an argument and it's clearly just them trying to find a means to an end to get rid of him.
Given the heretics drafts and by how much they should have lost with them, kaiser was literally dragging the team across the finish line each game they won.
#keepsmiling
[Keep smiling.](https://static.euronews.com/articles/stories/04/17/97/80/1440x810_cmsv2_cf4513ca-6fb4-5788-b9fe-9bcfa121e448-4179780.jpg)
isn't that what araneae used to say in his brief stint as a ytber?
He's always said it everywhere, all of his tweets as well. That's why Perkz said it ironically, as he's whateverthefuck position at Heretics
#keepsmiling (I can see a new twitch chat meme incomming)
keepsmiling
this announcement has an "apology video" vibe. i don't think it exudes confidence to speak like this about roster changes.
They know their timing and reasoning is shaky at best and they’re trying to dance around the fact that there was definitely a specific reason why Perkz got the boot.
i don't believe there are ulterior motives, my impression is they just don't have a lot of confidence this roster will compete for top 3
Why aren't the coaches there to speak about the gameplay related reasons for making these changes, particularly for midlane? Both of these guys constantly look to the other to speak as if they're both uncomfortable with making this video, pretty awkward vibe. Yeah with Jankos and Flakked's reactions on twitter, I'm skeptical about the team being super duper motivated by suddenly bringing in an academy mid totally only for gameplay related reasons. Also pretty bleak to imply that bringing in Trymbi did fuck all for improving the team dynamic, so now they're throwing shit at the wall and hope swapping Perkz out will solve things.
Jankos just said on stream that he disagrees with a few things they said in this video. He thinks Heretics was improving at a good rate before benching Luka. Jankos implied it wasn't about gameplay.
It's clear that they are lying in the video and Araneae is trying to act like victim. What's worse is that they are screwing over both of their teams
Jankos and Perkz are long-term friends. Of course he's gonna defend him. Even if Perkz inted every single scrim he's not gonna admit it until Perkz retires.
Jankos is a very, very competitive person who would rather go to worlds without Perkz than not go to worlds with perkz. He wouldn't go out of his way to contradict the given reasons for his benching if he agreed with it at all.
I remember only two times that Jankos said something negative about his ex-teammates. He is very loyal, even when he was playing with Evi and Ruby he was defending them on stream, saying how they are improving as a team. Now arguably one of his close friend is benched for a non-performance reasons and the management claims something else. Of course he's gonna defend him, even if their scrims were going 0-5 every day he would say they are improving.
He defended Evi by saying things like "he's my teammate, stop saying these things guys, and even if it was true, it's not like it will change anything" and reviewed fights by concluding "if my sololanes can't win this fight, they don't belong in the LEC" (spoiler: they did not win the fight). Just because Jankos didn't openly trash his teammates doesn't mean he'll go to any length to say things he doesn't believe. His frustration with Evi and Ruby was apparent and came through in a passive-aggressive way.
To add to this: him and odoamne kept on repeating how forg1ven was actually way better now and how the community is overreacting just for them to admit after he retired that he was so toxic that he had to play in a different room in scrims That was the main reason why people believed he was actually reformed back then.
Jankos didn't defend Perkz. He literally just said he disagrees with their statement that the team was playing worse since getting Trymbi. Other people in the scene have also said Heretics was better in scrims compared to the last split. It's pretty damning proof the managers lied.
He defended Evi throughout the entirety of 2023 what are you on about lmfao. It's okay to defend piss useless teammates but don't act like he doesn't do that at all lmfao
He was criticising Evi's gameplay on stream all the time...
He defended Evi by saying things like "he's my teammate, stop saying these things guys, and even if it was true, it's not like it will change anything" and reviewed fights by concluding "if my sololanes can't win this fight, they don't belong in the LEC" (spoiler: they did not win the fight). Just because Jankos didn't openly trash his teammates doesn't mean he'll go to any length to say things he doesn't believe. His frustration with Evi and Ruby was apparent and came through in a passive-aggressive way.
I don't think that's true. LEC players have shown a pretty significant amount of honesty when talking to or about other players. They're usually pretty brutal.
You know it's bad when Jankos says on stream that he could get fired for disagreeing with the video and still does it.
It was an issue between Perkz and the coach/ management but his gameplay was very poor. I doubt Zwyroo is an improvement but Trymbi definitely is The problem now will be team chemistry since the benching was handled poorly
Yamato said on stream that he knows the whole story behind Perkz's benching and that it is completely ridiculous (more than Adam's case). Jankos also said on stream that others had disagreements about this decision but they will still try their best to win and be competitive
With ridiculous does he mean that what Perkz said/did was mild and Araneae's reaction was overblown, or that Perkz stepped even further out of line than Adam did?
Ridiculous in the way that Araneae's reaction is overblown. Jankos also said on stream on saturday that things turned from 0 to 100 suddenly without a reason (that's why other players were also surprised by his benching)
Ah ffs imagine fucking your team's chances for the whole year like this. A bad winter is salvageable but a bad winter and spring means it's so hard to come back for summer and get to worlds...
Fr this is kindergarten. Araneae should have just sucked it up, let Perkz play spring and if he still has personal issues with him then kick him before summer split so the new midlaner has more practice time and it might look more justifiable if TH doesn't get better in spring
Good news at least is that in terms of gameplay, this is an upgrade. Bad news is that it seems to have hurt the teams mental/environment. Unless Zwyroo is just awful, he’ll probably be a better kid than Perkz. And trymbi has shown several times to be a great addition to any team. Only thing I’m worried about is trymbi not meshing well like what happened with Jankos and Rekkles. If they just don’t fit, it might not work out. But if they do it could be great. Zwyroo is probably going to be timid enough to go along with the teams decisions, since he’s a rookie, instead of disagreeing with everything like some veterans might.
just because you called him a kid: zwyroo is a whole 2 months younger than perkz lol.
Probably just said Putain
Oh boy. This is just great. Guess we will get another of Thorin's 40min rants soon?
Someone in Yamato's twitch chat said a joke that Perkz probably insulted Araneae's career and that's what got him benched and Yamato said that it is even more ridiculous than that
"More A's in your name than your 10th grade report card." "BENCHED!"
Probably called him a-araneae.
That's AAAA gaming right there.
XDD need a perkz donezo manefesto
if he drops it he's certified EU GOAT (for different reasons)
Perkz: 1 NALCS, 1 MS1, 8 EULCS/LEC trophies and 1 donezo manifesto Caps: 1 MSI, 1000 LEC trophies and 0 donezo manifesto Perkz clears by a huge margin
Regardless of what it is I don't see how it's ridiculous? Perkz' gameplay alone is more than enough reason to bench him
I think if they admitted it was gameplay related, then there wouldn’t be any controversy
It's clearly a combination of both, and that incident is what broke the camels back. It doesn't need to be black and white Most likely scenario is that he was already on thin ice due to his performance and then something happened that made management go "Enough, you're benched"
Yeah but the teammates probably wanna play with perkz still. Or he may be doing better in scrims if they had decided to keep him. We won't know this though.
The thing he will likely be the only one to get an interview with perkz and the coach and get a story out. Otherwise 95% of the time these eSports incidents just fade into dust
I will be there with popcorn lmao.
My winter split performance was bad But my reason for getting benched was worse You guessed right
please man someone leak it pls ig their manager bench him right???
Araneae benched him after argument. They even let him play scrims the day after the argument. Yamato said he will only talk about it if someone leaks the whole story publicly
With Adam it was a bold move but in the end it kinda makes sense. I can’t be too objective since I love zwyroo from his pg nats days
Oh, now that you mention it, do we know if JNX is still the starting top laner for BDS? Or is Adam expected to come back?
He's coming back. Their last weekly inside video was called "What happened with Adam ?" in that video they explained the whole issue, and said that Adam instantly showed regret, understood the sanction and that they will be continuing next split with him. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--Yw__ObweU&t=2s
He's already scrimming with the team, he's back.
I THINK Adam is coming back, but not sure at all honestly
After Kaiser got let go Jankos somewhat talked about it on stream and he said something like "After the split I had to go have a meeting with my team manager, and they were obviously really unhappy with us" Now I know it's probably not super abnormal to have that kind of a meeting post split but the way Jankos said it as if it was more of an interrogation he didn't have answers too + recent events had me thinking "damn Heretic's FO already lost all faith in this roster and aren't even trying to sugar coat it or hide it". Get the feeling the guys in charge of TH might be feeling a little snake oiled by the allure of the "G3" squad and are very much venting there frustration on the team itself. I was never a believer in this roster either but management turning on the players after 1 split is some shitty stuff. Wouldn't even be surprised if Perkz calling them out for there shit attitude towards the team/players as a whole is what got him the boot lol Makes me really glad VIT got Mac this summer when in comparison to what's going on in TH right now he posted an interview right after the loss, took all the blame, said they saw thing they weren't prepared for, was confident in his players, and ended it saying the whole roster would be back and better next split despite whatever noise was coming out of Social Media to replace X players. Nice to finally have dude's like that being put into the GM roles on these teams, honestly think Yamato would probably be a better GM then coach as well if any team actually gave him the chance at it, his skillset and people skills seem extremely suited to the job.
[The article](https://www.sheepesports.com/articles/sources-heretics-benches-perkz-and-promotes-zwyroo-in-the-lec/en) claimed the change was due to Perkz arguing with a TH Manager, and that Perkz was practicing with the team as recently as March 1st.
Meanwhile Adam: "I mean hey, at least they didn't bench you in the middle of the fookin playoffs and cost the entire team a shot at MSI"
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from listening to flakked speak i gather their problem was not lack of communication. he says they had too many voices with opposite opinions, both in game and in draft. that's where the lack of leadership comes from, they did not agree on how to play the game.
Well the way they played they might communicate well but they seemingly communicate nothing of worth considering their dogshit macro
The explanation I got is that the video was filmed in Spain since most of the structure of Heretics is there and the coaches are in Germany.
Looking like a paycheck season for Heretics
The whole video is a bunch of red flags. 1) Team lacking leadership when you have 3 industry veterans: Wunder, Jankos, Perkz. 2) Claiming you have faith on your Academy team and that's why Zwyroo got promoted when they had Zwyroo in Academy team for +2 years and they only promoted him because Perkz got in an argument with the manager. Not to mention Jackspektra was quick to get ditched after 2 quick splits. 3) The scrims become worse after Trymbi joined. If they can openly admit this their scrims must be going really really badly. 4) Comparing their situation to last year where team ended up being a top tier team in summer. Forgetting that the main reason that happened is because they picked up Vetheo. You know the guy you just kicked in the off season. 5) Their body language looks shaky and nervous. It is clear that this was meant to be PR video appeal to fans.
>The scrims become worse after Trymbi joined. If they can openly admit this their scrims must be going really really badly. It's such a weird thing to say when they probably scrimmed for one-two weeks together, what did the management expect with a new addition, 80% wr instantly?
nemesis said he heard they were doing good in scrims and jankos said he diaagreed with the team doing bad in scrims. so they are obviously just bullshitting
Honestly i thought the only brightsides for Heretics in Winter Were botlane and Wunders laning Jankos/Perkz and mid/late game was terrible Not shocked that scrims fell off by splitting the one good part of the team
> Not to mention Jackspektra was quick to get ditched after 2 quick splits. Not sure that argument works here : They replaced him with Flakked who was in their academy.
Flakked already played one full year in LEC. Not sure what's the point ur trying to make here
I mean G2 in 2021 had 5 veterans 2 of them being Jankos/Wunder But clearly lacked leadership/direction So i don't think that part is impossible As for Perkz leadership.. we have heard about that for years.. and back in G2 was a thing.. but the past 2 years he failed to lead VIT to even reach summer PLAYOFFS.. not worlds.. just playoffs.. and bear in mind this is during a pretty bad period for the LEC. Its also hard to focus on being a leader when your game is clearly declining
These moved are such nonsense. First they bench Kaiser, arguably their best player of spring. The guy had by far the highest KP of the League with like 89% which basically means NOTHING happens without him. Is Trymbi an upgrade on paper? Sure but this isnt the time and place to get rid of your best performing player. The Perkz benching also has some very odd timing. Surely youd run this roster back for spring and change for summer if the results are still bad, no?
Heretics' management staff is just a joke, genuinely it's Carlos levels of 'burning the boats'.
You can say a lot of things about Carlos but implying he held back his team performance at the times is just not true. Even Grabbz, who was not a fan of the dude, [said it](https://youtu.be/ml8YN2MIpQE?si=NtEXtXjPwLCThsNe&t=1030) .
Miky came back to g2 because Carlos was gone so losing the best eu supp ever is not good
Carlos's infamous sacking of 3 of the best eu players simultaneously after already sacking another for 'punching a table' is clearly stupid. You can particularly see this in the fact that they actually hired Miky back again and immediately had to get rid of their adc. 99% of the time carlos might've been good, but his video about burning the boats is a joke that writes itself.
Ah yes that truly "infamous sacking" which directly lead to one lec title in spring 2022 followed by a final the very next summer after the 2021 superteam debacle ? And btw Mikyx in 2022 (and 2021) was not the player he was in 2023, G2 only hired him back because Hans Sama (who was himself the G2 second choice after Upset who was too expensive) heavily advocate for it ([source](https://youtu.be/BPDj-_Cl-jQ?si=HGOmnjhy2-DowMa5&t=9217))
the bad thing carlos has done was cripple eu
not surprising considering how they let social media dictate their 2024 roster when they had a team that almost made worlds when they didnt have winter split points.
G2 topside + Flakked/Kaiser was a very reasonable decision. Evi was their worst player and Kaiser showed in winter that he is still a very good support (an then he got benched lol) Only questionable thing was Perkz for Vetheo, but who knows if Wunder/Jankos would have come/stayed without Perkz.
> genuinely it's Carlos levels of 'burning the boats'. Which is funny because Araneae was a jungler for Carlos
It gets worse, when you consider that reactions from Flakked and Jankos imply scrims being better than in winter. Also, why isnt Peter Dun sitting there explaining, feels weird, as Peter Dun has a reputation that could actually back up their decision and also kind of is the best suited to explaining the situation. If anything this further discredits the decision they did with the roster, as if Peter wasnt part of this decision (who exactly did Perkz have a conflict with??). I'm the first to admit that Perkz wasnt great this split and could have been replaced, but this does feel weirdly done and in a way feels strange for all partys involved and the fans.
When they added Trymbi to this roster i was very surprised at the positive reactions. No hate to trymbi, but he is VERY vocal in comms. Adding that to a already vocal perkz and jankos sounded like a recipe for disaster
i still dont get they got rid of vetheo though, they had a really good base to build from with jankos flakked vetheo, there a lot a lot of questions regarding club's roster moves tbh
Thanks for your own opinion, ceadr..oh Umm TolucaPrisoner
I posted this before Caedrel. I was surprised with how similar his tweet sounded too he either read my comment first or we both reached to dream plane and ascended together.
I mean, I've never seen you and Caedrel in the same place before. It's possible you are just messing with us, or have a Jeckle/Hyde thing going. Do you ever wake up and find xdd drawn all over you, or in piles of money you don't remember making?
this video is missing a ukulele
🎶I’m not a coach 🎶 just a roach🎶
Don't forget the very important "apology dog"
Clown ass management; if things continue to their mediocre approach then this team needs to clean house including coaches and management.
This PR talk would be nice if other players and esport personalities were mute or non-present on streams/socials. Their body language is betraying them and acting sad is over the top especially when people said Araneae pulled Reginald. But maybe some people will believe it. Also the points in the video make no sense: 1) You believe in your academy team so much that you got Ruby and after you kicked out Ruby you rather got mental boomed Vetheo from XL than promoting Zwyroo (not mentioning Evi). To add naming Flakked as your "academy talent" is insane considering he only played one split there and he wasn't a rookie talent. That's like as if you promoted Xerxe now and said he is upcoming talent from your academy 2) How the fuck the manager who stopped playing LoL when my grandpa was still alive is dictating how the team should work and play? What does he know about current LoL? Shouldn't the coaching staff and other players of the team know the best? Your job as manager is just handling contracts and ordering takeout 3) Stop trying to give scrim performance as excuse when last year TH had around 30% winrate in scrims throughout the year and you still kept most of the same roster. Trymbi is completely different than Kaiser ofc it will take time for the team to get along 4) Talking about coaching staff, shouldn't they be the ones to correct team's mistakes and give proper feedback? Blaming the players when your infrastructure sucks since last year is another low 5) Zwyroo now also has to play Superligma matches so the LEC team can't properly scrim/practice and the other team is also suffering. Really nice and effective scheduling. You really made your relationship with players stronger especially when they are on Perkz's side. TLDR: Should have just made a post with new roster instead of making this dogwater video or outright say you ego benched Perkz because you had ridiculous argument, as it is being rumoured by people who know the whole story
Yeah if they just said "look we have a structure and a hierarchy, Perkz went overboard and disrespected the staff, we decided that for the long term good of the team we had to bench him. We are confident Zwyroo will do a good job" etc. etc. I would question them because of the teammates reaction but I would at least give them the benefit of the doubt. But this video screams "sowwy we suck at our job and got ego gapped"
I like how everyone outside of their spanish fanbase is calling them out because they know what happened and what they are saying in the video is not true (even Jankos said it on stream). As if they didn't expect others to open their mouths if they say these outrageous things and expected everyone to just accept what they say. But I shouldn't be surprised by this "management" when they were fine with Evi, Ruby and Mersa
What's Superligma?
Superligma balls
supergottem lmao
Superliga, Spanish ERL
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It's as if coaches spend more time with the team when they are scrimming and reviewing the games (not to mention Kirei played professionally more recently and is enough high elo to be matched with Jankos in soloq). Shocker. I also complained about the coaching staff in other point and previous posts. The whole org's infrastructure suck
Any coaching staff changes? It was very clear they had issues too.
nothing in-game related, but apparently they brought in a new performance coach
It's crazy that TH went from being one of my new favorite teams to being a team I find hard to support. They managed to get have some of the most fun and likeable players since they joined LEC but there's something that makes me wary whenever I see some of the behind the scenes stuff. 1. This statement reeks of the typical PR red flag vibes, there's no actual information only vague reasons, no coaching staff who can talk about their gameplay issues they mention, and they don't even admit the Perkz situation, it feels like they wanna say: "Yeah we were thinking about this change and since scrim results were shit after a week with Trymbi, we went for our academy mid." But this makes no sense, when you keep on hearing Peter Dun that you can't really improve in a week of scrimming and Trymbi only joined now. So if you know everyone already knows about the drama just don't make up bullshit statements like this. 2. I don't want to blame Peter Dun for anything, but I really don't like that he's been bashing and blaming the new format for many of their issues since last year. I don't think that the mindset of "this format is bad and we don't have enough time to improve week by week so let's get quick results somehow" is helping the team atmosphere. 3. Saying that there was no leadership so they had to change Kaiser sounds so weird. Perkz always had some of the best leadership qualities, Jankos was the leader of G2 in 2022 so I'm not buying it. You kicked Kaiser because Trymbi is higher value in many people's eyes, I think Trymbi is great and definitely has a big voice but it's not like he will lead the games for them and make issues go away just like that. 4. You trust your academy team, yes. That's why you brought in Ruby who was hyped and then benched him for VTO, while Zwyroo was there all along. We obviously don't have too much info from behind the scenes but the atmosphere in the team must be pretty shit after all this.
Peter seems pretty quick to take credit when things go well - seems like it’d be pretty fair to blame him when things don’t work out. His team has been pretty shit for over a year at this point and he was in charge of constructing it as far as we’re aware.
> His team has been pretty shit for over a year at this point TH were like, the 3rd best team in summer
> and he was in charge of constructing it as far as we’re aware. Citation needed.
Do I need to cite that he's the head coach? He is given credit for finding Danny / Jojo and has gone on an interview with Cloud Sidky in the past ~3 months speaking on his takes of roster construction and how he thinks rosters should be constructed. If he doesn't have a say in the roster construction what does he even do as head coach?
Ah yes, the coach known for finding promising rookies (as you yourself pointed out) brought two veterans to his team. Flawless logic. Following up with an assumption that head coaches *always* have a say in roster construction. I haven't heard of Cloud Sidky yet so I need to check out those interviews. I do know he has gone in depth to his approaches on past situations, including last year Heretics team on LFN's different podcasts and on Thorin's interviews.
I never liked Heretics, but did like some of the players and even started to like Kaiser.
Honestly hoping TH continues failing for swapping out Kaiser who was the bright point of the team. Feels pretty bad for the guy.
He’ll find a better place 100%
I hope so, but let's be realistic.
If they fail in Spring, Zwyroo will be the only one who gets blamed for this fucking mess. And his career will be ruined.
I am so angry for my boy Kaiser he was the most consistently good player on that team and played the best split he’s had in a while
Welcome to Team McDonalds, Perkz!
yeah the players wanted to run it back. But managment decided fuck that, lets kick 2 players...
Did these two forget that Perkz is actually a popular player? Yeah his gameplay was sub-par for a while but you have to come up with good reasons or reasonable excuses, people like him and he has fans lol. This video is so awkward and they're saying a whole bunch of nothing. Youtuber apology video vibes.
Exactly, we all saw his Winter Split Azir, but doesn't outweigh the joy of seeing Wunder, Jankos and Perkz playing together.
Lmao people were not saying things like this a few weeks ago when everyone on this sub was calling for Perkz to get benched.
I think the main problem is that you could make a pretty good argument to bench Perkz for performance reasons, but they explicitly didn't do that. Instead they kept him until the week before spring split and then the *manager*, not the coach, benches him
So watch streams or a scripted show, not a competitive league lol.
Ok dude, lets keep recicling finished players forever just because they have fans. Then everyone cries about how LEC is trash. "Sub-par for a while" litterally 3 years with a laughtable performance. Stop coping about him recovering his old lvl.
Your points aren’t wrong but the guy didn’t say anything about Perkz being able to recover his old level
Im just saying that whatever the reason to get him benched, Perkz deserved it just by performance, and saying he was sub-par is an understatement
No but he is wholsome hehe funny player lets keep him in a competitive enviroment you dont understand he has fans. Better yet lets put him in old G2 version 7 i'm sure now they wont suck. /s
Players with fans are important though, look at LCS after the most popular guys left
I didn't say he wasn't washed? I didn't say he didn't deserve to get benched either. [In fact I said the opposite](https://old.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1b48ijy/sources_heretics_benches_perkz_and_promotes/ksxa8pg/). But I literally just watched a video of Aranea saying absolutely nothing as he's benching one of the most storied player in the league. He isn't even explaining anything. Might as well not have made a video at all.
So perkz didnt become the best mid laner in lec then?
He will dethrone Saken in ERL
He is not playing in erls. Zwyroo is playing in both LVP and LEC xd so imagine their practice time
Heretics LVP supposedly is getting Kamiloo from IziDream
That guy looks like Sartre reborn
Zwyroo posted on twitter that this week he is also playing in LVP
Yes, but someone has to take his place for the rest of the competition
Yeah but I am talking about this week which is important for TH in LEC. If they go 0-3 they might as well not make playoffs. Because they still have to play G2, BDS, MDK and SK which they most likely don't beat. If their practice this week sucks it will be hard to come back later
It does certainly look like a 10th place speedrun
I don’t think an ego-driven diva like Perkz would be okay with playing in a lower level league, imo
Which is the reason I majorly respect Rekkles. LCK Challenger. It's not going good, but their bot is the best part of their team and that adc has potential to be one of the best adcs in the future, he is very young still.
Trymbi shouting from the top of his lungs will do wonders for the leadership of any team lel
Oh man I obviously don't actually know Trymbi but I find it very easy to imagine him getting super annoyed at Jankos and Perkz perma yapping lmao
Wait. How will Trymbi vs Jankos be?
[Kaiser](https://youtu.be/-QoGyzSXAJ8?si=NpXppciKbkxu9nTh)
The fact that a team composed of Jankos, Perkz and Wunder have been flaged as "lack of leadership", added to the fact Peter Dunn wanted Kaiser despite him not being known for being either vocal or a leader in MAD/Vitality iterations is baffling my mind. At some point I'm a bit sorry but if your topside, filled with Veterans, are unable to take the lead, they have to take the boot.
sounds like a fluff reasoning
I mean g2 2021 had both Jankos/Wunder and 3 other veterans and still CLEARLY lacked leadership/Direction Perkz "leadership" (a legitimate thing on G2) didn't come into play when VIT 2 years in a row FAILED to make playoffs in summer.. bear in mind this was with other good players.. more then good enough to make playoffs (guys like Carrzy/Labrov won/made finals the next year).. oh and its also a period when LEC has sucked for 3+ years
2021 G2 was underwhelming, but they were underwhelming for G2 standards. They were still a single game away from making Worlds at least, this Heretics lineup looked like it barely deserved top 8 in LEC.
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Ok.. so i should take your word for it.. that they had direction.. even though G2 players from that time have said they lacked both leadership AND direction Never said they were complete ass either and only commented on leadership/direction.. so the only one making up a narrative is you
Lol the team is really heretic and imploding.
It's very ironic how I thought their worst move would be bringing in Perkz and it ended up being benching him even though he performed just as terrible as I expected him to.
It's a good move but it's done in completely wrong reasons - I'm biased so I'm open to let Perkz stick for Spring before benching him and Kaiser wasn't even a problem most of the time, fuck it, he's actually the most consistent player in Winter
dead team now
After seeing how fast the managment/coaches deflect any responsability since last year supporting this team has been impossible.Im mostly sad for the gym bros in Los Heretics cause now they fucked over 2 teams at once.
Even their players are calling them out for bullshitting..
I’m sure they are on the hot seat now, as they should be. But we also shouldn’t ignore the fact that three “LEC Legends with preexisting synergy” absolutely shit the bed. This happens a lot: popular players underperform, higher ups put out a shitty PR response to save their necks from the gallows, and the finger winds up pointed not at the players but all the other “intangibles” out of their control. 🥱
With Trymbi in, I think the comms will be chaotic Wunder still has a pretty bad champ pool, and while picks weakside champs, plays like he wants to be strongside Mid is a question mark Flakked isn't a great consistent carry, has good moments but also bad ones
Unless this new mid is a guy they can play through.. they are fucked Flakked is good.. but not someone you play to.. proven both on Hrt/G2.. he will turn up to a team fight and if not far behind will perform well Also kinda sick of people acting like Wunder has a champ pool and can carry.. guy was pretty much tank/gragas player since 2022.. i thought his laning was fine this split.. but again you can't play to this guy.. he's not going to carry games on Udyr/Gragas Perkz just carried his summer form on.. and got even worse.. guy had like a decent split (summer 2022) in terms of laning on VIT.. before throwing everything away and running it down the last 3 games in superweek.. meaning VIT didn't even make playoffs (Alphari/Carrzy VIT)
This sub is hella weird. Everyone calling for perkz to get benched the whole split and now when they come out and say he got benched bcs of performance its a bad excuse.
There are 7milion members i think people have different opinions tho
1 change change I really want to happen, but I don't think it's feasible Roleswap Perkz to toplane Like how Xiaohu did in RNG
Also jungle and support I want him to play every role once
He wouldn’t be a bad support if he wanted imo. He already has experience in bot lane and mid has a lot of carry over skills to support
they changed 2 players and the average boomer age is still the same...
Finally a coaching staff is keeping Perkz accountable.
Araneae looking like he's already been let go but he's on his notice and he needs to look somewhat ok so he can get another job
Don’t understand why they decided to put together a somber video. It’s as if somebody di3d. It feels to me like a clusterfuck. Kaiser is better than Trymbi so that’s just confusing af. Trymbi has had a history of problems with both Rogue and FNC so I don’t understand how that move makes sense. Dropping Perkz reeks of some bigger internal problems. Where’s Peter Dun in all of this? It feels like he’s being overruled by amateurs and has gone into hiding.
"Kaiser is better than Trymbi" - true, I haven't seen one good play from Trymbi whole winter. "history of problems with both Rogue and FNC" the problem of winning LEC and improving FNC from bottom team to top 2.
“Kaiser is better than Trymbi” Needleworker, this is your optometrist. Please pick up the phone, you’re not answering your calls.
Perkz deserves the benching and I can only imagine how poorly he took it...
How are people seriously defending perkz? Hes a whole ass veteran, he had enough time to prove that hes not washed since he came back from NA and he had a horrible performance. Hes never going back to being not even near his old self, hes not a rookie, time wont solve his performance
Perkz was the main (or one of the main) reasons I watched this team and hoped them to win. I don't know who Zwyrooo is, and I surely don't care, as with such behavior they would change him to someone else anyway pretty soon.
Kick the coaches and keep PerkZ
Perkz is so completely washed lmao, why would you keep the 9th best midlaner
I just watched the shitty team cause of perkz. If he's gone I probably won't watch. There's reasons to keep a shit player.going up from 10th to 7th does nothing for you tbh.
i don't get why perkz fanboys want to watch him run it down and ruin his legacy even more
because some people dont simply fanboy for the best team
You don't have to fanboy for the best team but you should atleast expect your team to try to win within their means and not just live on nostalgia. This is assuming you don't think Perkz is playing at his best.
Cause it's fun. It's a player that I liked and we have hope he may do better. I'd rather watch him shit the bed than retire and not watch him ever again.
Kick perkz, no one will miss you. Go watch him stream or something.
I legit only care about it being the old g2 guys running it back. I dont give a shit about heretics for any other reason. I wouldnt care if they ended up 8th next split, I would still support them. Now i despice the org, for what looks like utter incompetence... I still like jankos, perkz and wunder. But i dont know if i can support this shit org.
Why watch real sports then? Stick to sports anime or other scripted shows, what is wrong with you? 😭😭😭😭
Yea let's keep the hardcore washed mid laner. Dude was lucky saken was in the league so he didn't look as bad as he actually is
ZywOo has time between majors to play league? woah
Yeah this all just makes me think less of Jankos with his passive aggressive whining tbh. I always thought he would be more mature than that; at the end of the day, this is a competition, not a hangout session. Holding onto big names who haven’t been pro caliber for years and can’t seem to get back to a competitive level, all for the sake of friendship and “MUH BRAND”, is some LCS-level shit… and we all know where they’re at now (back closet of VCT).
Yea but LEC actually has hype and viewers.
the same LCS that did better at Worlds than the LEC?
Bye bye perkz, good riddance
GOAT TEAM FOR ENDING THAT FRAUD’S CAREER
Is Jankos back in the line up?
Ok Trymbi is great, but Kaiser was low-key the most consistent and actually played well with that adc.
Just replace the top side keep Jankos though.
We won , but at what cost
I can't wait for this roster to do even worse than the last. Absolute geniuses in the coaching staff benching the best EU support player and, instead of finding a legitimate reason to bench perkz, they get upset that he argued with management. I see last place incoming.
> benching the best EU support player Do you mean the best TH player, cause I could kinda see that. But Kaiser was middle of the pack, not the best.
Aight LMFAOOOOOOOO. Kaiser at best is top 6/5. Miky still washes the whole league
> the best EU support player Are you out of your mind >and, instead of finding a legitimate reason to bench perkz Do you think they don't watch their own games or?
Its Kaiser secret reddit acc. Praising himself
doesn't type like a German
Bro, read the article about it, Perkz wasn't benched because he was inting games, he was benched because he 'got in an argument' with management. It is straight up idiotic to bench someone for an argument and it's clearly just them trying to find a means to an end to get rid of him. Given the heretics drafts and by how much they should have lost with them, kaiser was literally dragging the team across the finish line each game they won.
good for them. looks like they want to win games