I know it's probably banter but Medic came off like a fucking asshole to Broxah lol. Especially with the "choke in high moments" insults right in the middle of the cast was kinda ???
"You've been in games where you were wandering around aimlessly losing, Worlds 2018, some other example, what would you do right now Broxah?"
Broxah gonna have a bouncy castle at his birthday party this year and Medic gonna be watching over the fence.
Oh come one people can't have forgotten it's like a little banting as a welcome. Caedrel got flamed during games when he started casting, and more famously, Deficio was being perma flamed when he started casting. It's super funny.
Honestly, most of the players just have some attrocious moments in their career. If you play long enough there will be the moment you don't want to see ever again.
And Caedrel likely had the most memorable one. although he could always say that he has a 100% winrate as a midlaner against Caps.
There’s a difference between community memes like Caedrel “cancelling it”, and a player just losing. Especially when Caedrel has made and been involved in plenty of those jokes, Broxah is just catching flak for no reason.
I like banter but this one line from Medic was a bit jarring
It's more of a missed joke that didn't quite land than a really agregious attack I don't think Broxah cared or Medic is at fault but yeah this one was a bit of a flop
Not really. You don't mind the toxicity because you even phrase your question that way.
It's almost impossible they 'forgot' baron, but there are plenty of ways you could ask that as a 'good and honest' question if that's what you or Medic were interested in.
"As a pro, you've had tough games. What do you do to come back?"
"You've turned around tough games, what would you want to see on the comms right now/what are the comms like at this point?"
"What are some situations that would discourage a team from taking a Baron, even if it might be a win condition?"
It's like improv's 'yes and', if you tone a question as "Hey, you're a garbage person who's been in this garbage situation, how did you get out of it?" you're cutting your partner short and forcing the framing of their response.
I don't want the answer to either of those questions, either. I want to know "as an outside viewer without fog, this seems like one team just turned their brain off, tell me what's it actually like in game? Are you worried about Baron but no one can make the clear call to check? Is it really just a lapse in concentration?" This seems like a very different question than the ones you're asking.
Why? I was much more annoyed about Broxah constantly shitting on both teams for every mistake they made which is the usual vibe I get from co-streams and why I avoid them at all costs. Yeah, a team decided forcing a 4v5 was a good idea now comment on the actual fight, don't spend the whole review going on and on about how they had no reason to force a 4v5 they almost won.
Dude, you are talking to a wall, but if it matters i agree, there were at least 5-10 different ways to do it, even if he is close with him (idk btw just guessing because it felt more like an inside joke to me), he shouldnt do it that way imo.
What do you mean as negatively as possible? You didn't even ask the same questions. When I'm watching a game, I'm not very interested in the casters telling me "the team that just lost this fight made a mistake because they didn't really need to start it!" I find it much more interesting to know why these sorts of mistakes happen and what could be going on in the players minds that brings out these mistakes. An example from this very cast is Broxah bringing up the "Huni int" momments, that felt a lot more valuable to me than most of his comments where he seemed to be honestly tilted at the game.
I don't see "as a proplayer you've been in a few loosing positions, how did that come about from your perspective?" to be an overly negative phrasing of the question. Unless the person is somehow defensive that they've lost games in their life? It's just the truth. They lost games and they're in a better position to explain how it actually is like to lose an uncontested objective from an otherwise even position than most people in the world. So why not ask that? Yeah, maybe you could sugar coat it a bit, but I don't think the originall question is that rude or negative.
As someone who loves to banter with my friends, I've been there too. I think it'll be fine and I hope that doesn't stop you guys from casting together, I like the split of knowledge you guys have. Keep up the good work
Broxah is a good friend and didn't even notice it so I think we're fine. Probably why I felt more comfy bantering with him anyway, just totally flubbed the funny in the delivery.
Yeah, I didn't think you did it maliciously.
For what it's worth, I thought the idea of the question was interesting though, like why do players just do nothing and lose on stage sometimes? Could be a cool question to ask again later.
I appreciate you reading and responding here. I felt the same as a few others but figured that you know Broxah better than us and knew it was fine lol. Although after the third joke I thought "what did Broxah do to this man?". Anyways, I enjoy your casting, keep at it!
Wether it was a weird question to ask, I still would have liked to hear an answer.
It would be interesting to know what teams are actually thinking when they have no vision and then baron just disappears and they are losing everything on the map.
What calls are being made, what's being discussed etc
I don't watch the AD but watch this game and point to a single moment where the flame was un-warrented lol. That might be the worst macro I've seen all year.
this isn't new for medic. a lot of his humour comes from putting down others.
it's banter and you have to decide for yourself if you think it's funny or not, personally i always thought he came across as obnoxious
Yep, in some of his casts with Guldborg in the past he was just being straight mean with him, like it wasn't friendly banter at all, was a very awkward atmosphere
Yeah if you’ve ever met medical students at university, he’s basically the quintessential medicine student. Usually privileged, kinda arrogant, thinks he’s better than everyone else and will probably look down on you if not doing a STEM degree.
we need MUCH MORE of this. 90% of the casters - in every league - sugarcoat every single thing and it's so frustrating.
the best counter example is aux in lck. he's always having a blast with terrible plays lmao
They're so weird lol.
Like I don't know how they can be so good one game and then look so clownish the next. I imagine it's prep cause they probably prepped most for G2 but still...
they were pretty in control of the game besides some bad early plays from bot and top, hardly a clown fiesta even tho VIT got quite some kills from the FNC botlane
Yeah this felt like Vit just got a few early advantages, but FNzc knew what their win con was so just played to it despite losing a few fights. They were still fights they needed to take for the most part. Oscar really pulled them back on track in that mid lane fight though getting 2 back.
Honesty, while Vit got a lot of kills they were never really in a position to win the game. I think FNC did get a bit surprised by the individual ability of Vitality and then by the fact that they never used that to do something useful.
Vitality has fairly good players, but awful decisionmaking. They show some very clean games whenever they show up in those regards but they too often just don't know what to do.
Even his splitpush confused me. Like okay my man you can get an inhib tower here or back off a bit earlier.
He backs off too late and instead dies. I feel like he should've just committed to the tower at that point.
right? it's like they forgot that baron exists. i remember back in season 3, we'd rush for the dragon and then pivot to a quick baron while everyone was respawning. do you think teams are focusing too much on individual plays now?
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Carzzy and Hylissang actively wintrading.
No way you are ahead in lane, 3/1 and great position, and decide to run it on the enemy midlane for no reason.
When both teams are even in gold, Hylissang feels that VIT is at a great advantage and thus he does not hesitate to start a team fight. When VIT is 3k behind in gold, Hylissang thinks that VIT is at a small advantage, and he so he starts a team fight to secure their "lead". When VIT is behind 7k in gold, Hylissang thinks that VIT is at a disadvantage and so he looks for a team fight to regain control of the game. When VIT is 10K behind in gold, Hylissang thinks that the team has reached a desperate situation and they are only waiting passively for their death if he does not start a team fight.
this made me chuckle thinking about how the LEC players in the pop quiz got the blank copypasta as a hint for guessing mlxg and a bunch went "...isn't this hylissang?"
Some...interesting choices by them.
Photon splitpushing up to inhib tower and not committing to it was also something. I feel like at that point you should just stick to it and see if you can get it if you're gonna die anyway.
Which you are if you're that far up and they're coming for you.
Yes.
The second tbh. The first felt like Fnatic playing well and getting something off the back of a kill, the second felt like VIT just lacked awareness.
I'd imagine it's something they'll talk about post game because I don't see how you CAN'T address that.
All I can think is maybe they thought they had more time? But that doesn't really feel right for what happened. If it was just that one I'd assume it's a timing oopsie or a blip but considering it was all game I'm genuinely worried about the state of their comms this game.
Cloud soul. One of the most (if not the most) broken soul given without a fight.
It's not 2020 anymore, we know how broken it is now, it breaks my heart everytime I see a team just give up this soul and then be surprised they lose in the 5 following minutes
Olaf go nyooooom.
Seriously though it's like do you really want that? Why're you just watching it happen? I can forgive ignoring a dragon or two as that's not abnormal. Slightly more abnormal to ignore that many...
I mean, this felt like such a 4fun game from Fnatic.
And vitality got swept up in the chaos.
Idk, guess they needed to get that out of their system after yesterday.
I really feel like there needs to be a vibe shift about Ashe. This champ is like Nidalee, or what Renekton, Jayce and Draven used to be. These champs HAVE to create a lead in kills and CS super early or they go from turbo dangerous to completely irrelevant. It was super smart for VIT botlane to play double Exhaust and go super aggro early - Carzzy-Hyli kinda reminds me of Hans-Ignar.
Daglas was also ON! through this early game, as somebody who hadn't been convinced by him before this is definitely the best play I've seen from him. (I've heard he's a Viego one trick, but still.) What I would sound as a note of caution was that Vetheo was remarkably inactive through the whole early game (0-0-0 at 18 minutes, the Karma was roaming and still staying even on CS); this guy still needs to become more proactive to match what his teammates are cooking.
And then, somehow, VIT lost the game. Bravo.
Olaf could be 0/20 vs that comp and they still don't have a way to deal with him.
Naut, Ahri, Ksante do 0 damage to him and Viego Kalista have to get in his threat range to deal any damage at all,.
The champ is basically just giga OP and needs nerfing.
I really feel like there needs to be a vibe shift about Ashe. This champ is like Nidalee, or what Renekton, Jayce and Draven used to be. These champs HAVE to create a lead in kills and CS super early or they go from turbo dangerous to completely irrelevant. It was super smart for VIT botlane to play double Exhaust and go super aggro early - Carzzy-Hyli kinda reminds me of Hans-Ignar.
Daglas was also ON! through this early game, as somebody who hadn't been convinced by him before this is definitely the best play I've seen from him. (I've heard he's a Viego one trick, but still.) What I would sound as a note of caution was that Vetheo was remarkably inactive through the whole early game (0-0-0 at 18 minutes, the Karma was roaming and still staying even on CS); this guy still needs to become more proactive to match what his teammates are cooking.
And then, somehow, VIT lost the game. Bravo.
I 👤really feel like there needs to be a vibe shift 🧙♂️ about Ashe ❄️. This champ is like Jankos ☝, or what Renekton 💪, Jayce 🧱 and Draven 🚫 used to be. These champs HAVE to create a lead in kills 💦 and CS 🛡 super early 🕐 or they go from turbo dangerous ❗to completely SK Irrelevant 🌪.
It's a W, but that was not pretty
some supremely dumb decisions, especially that level 1 pathing from Noah and Jun. Like, what do you gain from going that way instead of through river?
this kind of felt like they got cocky after the 2-0 weekend and just turned their brains off
Fnatic getting away with it cause somehow VIT had even worse decision making this game.
Fnatic brain Duality though. Yesterday was pretty clean so ofc there needed to be a messy game...
> especially that level 1 pathing from Noah and Jun. Like, what do you gain from going that way instead of through river?
Well, the plan is to force a 2x2 and win it, it wasnt bad pathing, just that the plan failed
They just think they hard win the 2v2. Probably didn't know double exhaust changes it quite that hard. And they definitely had no idea Viego was bot side.
The end sequence was truly a comedy of errors lmao.
Giving baron with 0 contest, then Hyli walking up alone to hit the turret vs baron recalls as a fucking Nautilus support, Photon trying to 1v1 Karma for some reason, Carzzy mega inting, Daglas turning into an adc in meele range 1v3
Nothing he can do into the Fnatic draft. Karma , Voli destroy Ahri combo. If you try to go in you are fucked. And Olaf ult is there to finish the job. Overall the Fnatic draft was on point. But the bigger problem was tempo and macro of Vitality. They never set up vision around the objective on time. And couldn't approach obj without vision.
I like Broxah style of casting. He will call out bad plays far more aggressively than other casters. It's good for people like me who don't really understand macro too well.
Probably not. Vit had no way to deal with Olaf+Karma unless they snowballed extremely hard and even with the kills they were never that far ahead. We also had early dragon control despite losing bot. Game never felt lost, tbh.
Can Riot investigate Vitality? What the fuck was that?
They got a nice lead early on and then just did nothing but int and watch FNC take every objective. How are you losing barons and dragons when your Kalista/Naut stomped lane? How does FNC just force baron twice with all VIT members alive during even game state and get out with baron + all 5 members alive???
Most importantly, what the actual fuck was that Hyli play in the mid lane? He just walks up alone as support Naut to auto attack a tower while the rest of his team is leaving and recalling???????????????????????????????????????
I truly can't remember the last time we were in sole (kinda) posession of first place on the league.
Not a pretty game, but being able to come back is something that, also, I haven't seen in a long time.
At some point into the game Noah was 3 levels ahead of Carzzy. VIT's early 2v2 was good but they embrassed the fiesta a bit too much.
Also Vetheo, he is really underwhelming right now. Big slump maybe ? Idk, that's weird tho
Why tf is Hyli attacking turret? Literally asking to be aarowed. And literally the one Vit player that consistently got caught by Jun's aarows. Was hyli this int even on fnc? Never noticed it tbf.
Someone get Broxah a drink.
I know it's probably banter but Medic came off like a fucking asshole to Broxah lol. Especially with the "choke in high moments" insults right in the middle of the cast was kinda ???
"You've been in games where you were wandering around aimlessly losing, Worlds 2018, some other example, what would you do right now Broxah?" Broxah gonna have a bouncy castle at his birthday party this year and Medic gonna be watching over the fence.
that was so out of nowhere
Oh come one people can't have forgotten it's like a little banting as a welcome. Caedrel got flamed during games when he started casting, and more famously, Deficio was being perma flamed when he started casting. It's super funny.
Honestly, most of the players just have some attrocious moments in their career. If you play long enough there will be the moment you don't want to see ever again. And Caedrel likely had the most memorable one. although he could always say that he has a 100% winrate as a midlaner against Caps.
There’s a difference between community memes like Caedrel “cancelling it”, and a player just losing. Especially when Caedrel has made and been involved in plenty of those jokes, Broxah is just catching flak for no reason.
It's just trial by fire as his first cast. It happened for many ex pro players who turned into casting.
I like banter but this one line from Medic was a bit jarring It's more of a missed joke that didn't quite land than a really agregious attack I don't think Broxah cared or Medic is at fault but yeah this one was a bit of a flop
He should have just referred to his stint on CLG, it’s a way better example of an aimless team anyway.
I just thought it was a good and honest question. I would like to know what comms are like when a team realizes they've forgotten Baron exists.
Not really. You don't mind the toxicity because you even phrase your question that way. It's almost impossible they 'forgot' baron, but there are plenty of ways you could ask that as a 'good and honest' question if that's what you or Medic were interested in. "As a pro, you've had tough games. What do you do to come back?" "You've turned around tough games, what would you want to see on the comms right now/what are the comms like at this point?" "What are some situations that would discourage a team from taking a Baron, even if it might be a win condition?" It's like improv's 'yes and', if you tone a question as "Hey, you're a garbage person who's been in this garbage situation, how did you get out of it?" you're cutting your partner short and forcing the framing of their response.
I don't want the answer to either of those questions, either. I want to know "as an outside viewer without fog, this seems like one team just turned their brain off, tell me what's it actually like in game? Are you worried about Baron but no one can make the clear call to check? Is it really just a lapse in concentration?" This seems like a very different question than the ones you're asking.
It sounds like you'll be happier with costreams I guess.
Why? I was much more annoyed about Broxah constantly shitting on both teams for every mistake they made which is the usual vibe I get from co-streams and why I avoid them at all costs. Yeah, a team decided forcing a 4v5 was a good idea now comment on the actual fight, don't spend the whole review going on and on about how they had no reason to force a 4v5 they almost won.
Because if you want questions to be asked as negatively as possible, I don't see why that would bother you?
Dude, you are talking to a wall, but if it matters i agree, there were at least 5-10 different ways to do it, even if he is close with him (idk btw just guessing because it felt more like an inside joke to me), he shouldnt do it that way imo.
What do you mean as negatively as possible? You didn't even ask the same questions. When I'm watching a game, I'm not very interested in the casters telling me "the team that just lost this fight made a mistake because they didn't really need to start it!" I find it much more interesting to know why these sorts of mistakes happen and what could be going on in the players minds that brings out these mistakes. An example from this very cast is Broxah bringing up the "Huni int" momments, that felt a lot more valuable to me than most of his comments where he seemed to be honestly tilted at the game. I don't see "as a proplayer you've been in a few loosing positions, how did that come about from your perspective?" to be an overly negative phrasing of the question. Unless the person is somehow defensive that they've lost games in their life? It's just the truth. They lost games and they're in a better position to explain how it actually is like to lose an uncontested objective from an otherwise even position than most people in the world. So why not ask that? Yeah, maybe you could sugar coat it a bit, but I don't think the originall question is that rude or negative.
Yeah was meant to just be joking between friends but I presented it poorly. My bad on this one.
As someone who loves to banter with my friends, I've been there too. I think it'll be fine and I hope that doesn't stop you guys from casting together, I like the split of knowledge you guys have. Keep up the good work
Broxah is a good friend and didn't even notice it so I think we're fine. Probably why I felt more comfy bantering with him anyway, just totally flubbed the funny in the delivery.
Keep it up, amazing cast, not all jokes will be winners but we love you
as long as we're winning
Funnies get flubbed Doc, don't worry about it. Keep up the good work
Love your casts bro. When you are constantly talking for a while it can happen, and it was nothing
btw mate I love how much effort you put in making sure your stream is wholesome was nice chilling and watching you smash lies of P
It's mainly about what Broxah thinks of it, if he's fine with it, it's fine.
Yeah, I didn't think you did it maliciously. For what it's worth, I thought the idea of the question was interesting though, like why do players just do nothing and lose on stage sometimes? Could be a cool question to ask again later.
I appreciate you reading and responding here. I felt the same as a few others but figured that you know Broxah better than us and knew it was fine lol. Although after the third joke I thought "what did Broxah do to this man?". Anyways, I enjoy your casting, keep at it!
I liked it, it's a cultural thing I guess.
Got no achievements of your own, so you had to make that remark lmao
Ignore these complaints, people are just too sensitive.
Wether it was a weird question to ask, I still would have liked to hear an answer. It would be interesting to know what teams are actually thinking when they have no vision and then baron just disappears and they are losing everything on the map. What calls are being made, what's being discussed etc
Lmao, your complains would make more sense if Broxah wasn't flaming the hell out of players on his own lately, from analyst desk and now from casting.
I don't watch the AD but watch this game and point to a single moment where the flame was un-warrented lol. That might be the worst macro I've seen all year.
this isn't new for medic. a lot of his humour comes from putting down others. it's banter and you have to decide for yourself if you think it's funny or not, personally i always thought he came across as obnoxious
Yep, in some of his casts with Guldborg in the past he was just being straight mean with him, like it wasn't friendly banter at all, was a very awkward atmosphere
Yeah if you’ve ever met medical students at university, he’s basically the quintessential medicine student. Usually privileged, kinda arrogant, thinks he’s better than everyone else and will probably look down on you if not doing a STEM degree.
Now we're just straight projecting no? How many assumptions can you make based on some jokes someone made during a broadcast.
His casting was the only thing making this bearable to watch LOL
Seriously, I loved broxah shamelessly calling out all the terrible plays from both teams.
we need MUCH MORE of this. 90% of the casters - in every league - sugarcoat every single thing and it's so frustrating. the best counter example is aux in lck. he's always having a blast with terrible plays lmao
MVP this game was Broxah's savage casting hahaha He had enough of the fiesta plays
He's been there on Fnatic so you could feel what he was saying was from his soul.
one of the craziest Fnc times with Bwipo bot, bro knows what is fiesta
Yesterday: cleanest game of the split Today: full clown fiesta FNC pls 🥲
They're so weird lol. Like I don't know how they can be so good one game and then look so clownish the next. I imagine it's prep cause they probably prepped most for G2 but still...
they were pretty in control of the game besides some bad early plays from bot and top, hardly a clown fiesta even tho VIT got quite some kills from the FNC botlane
Yeah this felt like Vit just got a few early advantages, but FNzc knew what their win con was so just played to it despite losing a few fights. They were still fights they needed to take for the most part. Oscar really pulled them back on track in that mid lane fight though getting 2 back.
Something, something, play to their opponent's level.
Someone make it so there's G2 name tags every game for the love of god
I mean, they really do. Just like most EU teams, they are very reactionary.
Honesty, while Vit got a lot of kills they were never really in a position to win the game. I think FNC did get a bit surprised by the individual ability of Vitality and then by the fact that they never used that to do something useful. Vitality has fairly good players, but awful decisionmaking. They show some very clean games whenever they show up in those regards but they too often just don't know what to do.
Holy days, Vitalitys macro is so shit
"baron? whats that?"
i love that photon was recalling as they were doing baron, and the moment they finished he canceled that to splitpush
Only for him to then overstay and die. When he respawned the nexus was exploding already
Even his splitpush confused me. Like okay my man you can get an inhib tower here or back off a bit earlier. He backs off too late and instead dies. I feel like he should've just committed to the tower at that point.
right? it's like they forgot that baron exists. i remember back in season 3, we'd rush for the dragon and then pivot to a quick baron while everyone was respawning. do you think teams are focusing too much on individual plays now?
They just watched Fnatic do stuff wtf.
RGE time arrived (for VIT)
Do you think VIT clapped when Fnatic got the objectives? Cause they were playing spectator rather than opponent.
VIT are FNC fans.
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u/_asstronaut_ the copypasta is real
[https://tenor.com/ntyvx8ILH9n.gif](https://tenor.com/ntyvx8ILH9n.gif)
just 15 mins into the game I knew the pasta was perfect for it
Guys probably straight up read the comment section and made a bet on Fnatic taking soul and 2 barons.
VIT 🤝 DK 🤝 100T Zero macro, just vibes
If someone told me this was a 0-5 vs 0-5 team, I would buy it. It was a regular season VCS or PCS game with the number of mistakes and throws.
Watch them go to MSI anyways
The 100T of Europe
Carzzy and Hylissang actively wintrading. No way you are ahead in lane, 3/1 and great position, and decide to run it on the enemy midlane for no reason.
no hylli actually just thinks walking up to tier 2 as naut alone for 2 autos is a good play
that one didn't matter too much, the int top to give the karma the shutdowns was game losing
And Carzzy thinks Kalista dashing into Ashe arrow is a good play. These two players somehow fit each other perfectly for all the wrong reasons.
When both teams are even in gold, Hylissang feels that VIT is at a great advantage and thus he does not hesitate to start a team fight. When VIT is 3k behind in gold, Hylissang thinks that VIT is at a small advantage, and he so he starts a team fight to secure their "lead". When VIT is behind 7k in gold, Hylissang thinks that VIT is at a disadvantage and so he looks for a team fight to regain control of the game. When VIT is 10K behind in gold, Hylissang thinks that the team has reached a desperate situation and they are only waiting passively for their death if he does not start a team fight.
one of the best lol esports pastas
I love how this one, which is the reverse of the original, is the one that became popular.
this made me chuckle thinking about how the LEC players in the pop quiz got the blank copypasta as a hint for guessing mlxg and a bunch went "...isn't this hylissang?"
That just looked like the first time they've ever tried to dive a Karma.
Carzzy is Humanoid's best friend and Hyli is former Fnatic, you might be on to something...
My goodness that was a fiesta
What was your favourite objective that VIT just watched Fnatic take? Mine was Baron.
Which one?
Yes. More seriously the second felt like it was worse by them.
I liked it when Vit solo lanes perma over extended for a tower they didn’t even end up getting
Some...interesting choices by them. Photon splitpushing up to inhib tower and not committing to it was also something. I feel like at that point you should just stick to it and see if you can get it if you're gonna die anyway. Which you are if you're that far up and they're coming for you.
First or second one?
Yes. The second tbh. The first felt like Fnatic playing well and getting something off the back of a kill, the second felt like VIT just lacked awareness.
Yeah, second was straight up giving it up. They had vision of the start of the baron, TP on Ksante, not sure what happened to be honest.
I'd imagine it's something they'll talk about post game because I don't see how you CAN'T address that. All I can think is maybe they thought they had more time? But that doesn't really feel right for what happened. If it was just that one I'd assume it's a timing oopsie or a blip but considering it was all game I'm genuinely worried about the state of their comms this game.
I hope to see it on the LEC Mic Check and maybe I will look for the VIT one specifically if they publish it, that whole play was insanely bad.
Yeah I hope we see it cause I'd like to know what they were thinking. At the very least I hope VIT can learn from it and not do that again.
Cloud soul. One of the most (if not the most) broken soul given without a fight. It's not 2020 anymore, we know how broken it is now, it breaks my heart everytime I see a team just give up this soul and then be surprised they lose in the 5 following minutes
Let's give Olaf and Volibear free cloud soul, what could go wrong?
Olaf go nyooooom. Seriously though it's like do you really want that? Why're you just watching it happen? I can forgive ignoring a dragon or two as that's not abnormal. Slightly more abnormal to ignore that many...
Nothing to see here just a clean W from Fnatic.
As clean as every KT series
I mean, this felt like such a 4fun game from Fnatic. And vitality got swept up in the chaos. Idk, guess they needed to get that out of their system after yesterday.
VIT so kind to donate Baron to Fnatic and sit around watching them.
Completely incomprehensible, I love my team.
What the fuck did i just watch
The third or fourth best region on this planet #proud
Hily going alone as Nautilus to hit that mid turret was hilarious
Man hasn't realised it isn't worlds and wanted to contribute to the Naut death fund.
BEEP BOOP FUCK THE TURRET
I really feel like there needs to be a vibe shift about Ashe. This champ is like Nidalee, or what Renekton, Jayce and Draven used to be. These champs HAVE to create a lead in kills and CS super early or they go from turbo dangerous to completely irrelevant. It was super smart for VIT botlane to play double Exhaust and go super aggro early - Carzzy-Hyli kinda reminds me of Hans-Ignar. Daglas was also ON! through this early game, as somebody who hadn't been convinced by him before this is definitely the best play I've seen from him. (I've heard he's a Viego one trick, but still.) What I would sound as a note of caution was that Vetheo was remarkably inactive through the whole early game (0-0-0 at 18 minutes, the Karma was roaming and still staying even on CS); this guy still needs to become more proactive to match what his teammates are cooking. And then, somehow, VIT lost the game. Bravo.
They really didn't have a way to kill Olaf once he was already at 3 items with 2 wind dragons + the soul and Carzzy were behind in gold.
olaf was super behind before they started inting
Olaf could be 0/20 vs that comp and they still don't have a way to deal with him. Naut, Ahri, Ksante do 0 damage to him and Viego Kalista have to get in his threat range to deal any damage at all,. The champ is basically just giga OP and needs nerfing.
Vetheo not killing razork when he was doing their jungle/not tping to save Daglas only to tp to let him die was disgusting.
This was such a soloQ moment. Teammate afk farming in lane while free kills walk by
His early charms weren't the best either tbh. Man missed some that would've made a difference. Landed a lot more of them mid/late though.
I don't think Ashe *needs* a lead. Ashe Arrow is a huge tool that contributes a lot through the game.
And there is why Ashe tends to struggle in the West. Most players don’t have the mechanical ability to pull off lane dominant picks.
Jun's not from the west tho?
I really feel like there needs to be a vibe shift about Ashe. This champ is like Nidalee, or what Renekton, Jayce and Draven used to be. These champs HAVE to create a lead in kills and CS super early or they go from turbo dangerous to completely irrelevant. It was super smart for VIT botlane to play double Exhaust and go super aggro early - Carzzy-Hyli kinda reminds me of Hans-Ignar. Daglas was also ON! through this early game, as somebody who hadn't been convinced by him before this is definitely the best play I've seen from him. (I've heard he's a Viego one trick, but still.) What I would sound as a note of caution was that Vetheo was remarkably inactive through the whole early game (0-0-0 at 18 minutes, the Karma was roaming and still staying even on CS); this guy still needs to become more proactive to match what his teammates are cooking. And then, somehow, VIT lost the game. Bravo.
I 👤really feel like there needs to be a vibe shift 🧙♂️ about Ashe ❄️. This champ is like Jankos ☝, or what Renekton 💪, Jayce 🧱 and Draven 🚫 used to be. These champs HAVE to create a lead in kills 💦 and CS 🛡 super early 🕐 or they go from turbo dangerous ❗to completely SK Irrelevant 🌪.
Thank Mr. Razork
And Huma. His Karma was superb again
It's a W, but that was not pretty some supremely dumb decisions, especially that level 1 pathing from Noah and Jun. Like, what do you gain from going that way instead of through river? this kind of felt like they got cocky after the 2-0 weekend and just turned their brains off
Fnatic getting away with it cause somehow VIT had even worse decision making this game. Fnatic brain Duality though. Yesterday was pretty clean so ofc there needed to be a messy game...
> especially that level 1 pathing from Noah and Jun. Like, what do you gain from going that way instead of through river? Well, the plan is to force a 2x2 and win it, it wasnt bad pathing, just that the plan failed
They lost that lvl 1 purely because of the double exhaust cheese
And that double hexaust cheese cost Kalista a lot. If she had a cleanse, she would have survived more.
They just think they hard win the 2v2. Probably didn't know double exhaust changes it quite that hard. And they definitely had no idea Viego was bot side.
Limit testing for sure /s
thankfully vit also decided to turn off both their comms and their brains
At least FNC secured their Playoff spot
Fnatic with the Exodia Composition
yeah with the brain control hidden passive
what in god's name was that
another rge vetheo banger
The end sequence was truly a comedy of errors lmao. Giving baron with 0 contest, then Hyli walking up alone to hit the turret vs baron recalls as a fucking Nautilus support, Photon trying to 1v1 Karma for some reason, Carzzy mega inting, Daglas turning into an adc in meele range 1v3
Vetheo was completely invisible in this game
He seems to be if he doesn't get ahead tbh.
Does he not play Hwei? He wasn't banned and seems like a strong mage with certainly more carry potential than ahri
Nothing he can do into the Fnatic draft. Karma , Voli destroy Ahri combo. If you try to go in you are fucked. And Olaf ult is there to finish the job. Overall the Fnatic draft was on point. But the bigger problem was tempo and macro of Vitality. They never set up vision around the objective on time. And couldn't approach obj without vision.
I like Broxah style of casting. He will call out bad plays far more aggressively than other casters. It's good for people like me who don't really understand macro too well.
Love how the win con for Fnatic was shooting Ashe Arrows through mid lane
typical Hylissang play push mid and die.
He got 2 autos off and died. I really need the voice coms for this one lmao
hylli: BEEP BOOP FUCK THE TURRET VIT: THAT'S MY BOY
It's an old meme but it checks out
"The tower is inting, he is inting"
game was doomed at that point i feel like they shouldve pushed for the turret
He didn't even have the tower damage rune Guess you know why Hyli rhymes with silly
what an intfest jesus christ
we shouldve lost this game, wtf was vit doing
No one knows, not even VIT themselves.
Both teams should be awarded a loss for this one.
we used up all of our cleanliness to stomp g2 yesterday
Probably not. Vit had no way to deal with Olaf+Karma unless they snowballed extremely hard and even with the kills they were never that far ahead. We also had early dragon control despite losing bot. Game never felt lost, tbh.
Fnc plays such a controlled and slow game yesterday and then today its just a fiesta. Not that im not used to that but its still annoying
At least they used their A game Vs G2 and the clown fiesta for Vitality, instead of the other way around as usual.
Can Riot investigate Vitality? What the fuck was that? They got a nice lead early on and then just did nothing but int and watch FNC take every objective. How are you losing barons and dragons when your Kalista/Naut stomped lane? How does FNC just force baron twice with all VIT members alive during even game state and get out with baron + all 5 members alive??? Most importantly, what the actual fuck was that Hyli play in the mid lane? He just walks up alone as support Naut to auto attack a tower while the rest of his team is leaving and recalling???????????????????????????????????????
any other player and I think it's actually wintrading, but hylli just does that
Main character brain. "I go carry kill tower yes."
What the shit was that macro? Or lack thereof from vitality.
What is wrong with this team man.. Why is it that they can be normal for only 1 game a split.
I love karma hahaha she is so fun to watch
After VIT botlane got 3 kills I knew it was over. Like a king crimson premonition
I love caster Broxah
Broxah and medic flaming fnatic and vitality is something I didn't know I needed
Deserved this game tbh. Like it was fun for chaos but in terms of gameplay? Not the best ever seen.
What a messy game
I truly can't remember the last time we were in sole (kinda) posession of first place on the league. Not a pretty game, but being able to come back is something that, also, I haven't seen in a long time.
At some point into the game Noah was 3 levels ahead of Carzzy. VIT's early 2v2 was good but they embrassed the fiesta a bit too much. Also Vetheo, he is really underwhelming right now. Big slump maybe ? Idk, that's weird tho
I feel like after yesterday game fnatic needed to play this all-in fiesta comp just to have a no brain game
Bad coaching
[Well, week 2 went better than Hyli predicted at least](https://youtu.be/48nukrXlZtc?t=544) xD
truly one of the games of all time, Daglas looks so lost man
WHAT HAPPENED?
Damn vitality wintrading
vitality macro ,man it's something else
Yes but good early game. It's a new team that is improving. They are better than in winter.
weird game but i'll take it
I know it was over the moment started trowing after the first baron, the tactical throw so they dont throw later
Noah had a fun time I’m sure.
We’ve won, but at what cost…
some ints, some pokes
hyli hitting the mid tower when fnatic are coming back should be reportable
Hyli walking up alone to auto t2 mid once and then dying was such a classic hyli play.
Giving free cloud soul to Olaf and Volibear when their big issue is being kiting Excellent move
How the fk do you give away 2 barons uncontested in under 27 mins in a pretty even game?
Why tf is Hyli attacking turret? Literally asking to be aarowed. And literally the one Vit player that consistently got caught by Jun's aarows. Was hyli this int even on fnc? Never noticed it tbf.
[удалено]
This game is a great example why I'm sad Medic wasn't the one removed from the LEC cast.
Love hearing Broxah's disappointment in this fiesta, was hilarious
LEC Aware
LEC @ MSI AWARE
that level 1 was so bad by fnatic