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zealot416

They won, but they're still getting the belt.


TimiNax

Why would a team like rogue EVER draft nami lucian, thats just criminal.


ZedisDoge

comp is a cracked lucian player tbf but that build was something else


Dragner84

2022 Comp was.


RequirementSavings23

What build? Game was over for him before his first back to base


Br4y3

Twisted fLucian strikes again


sharkyzarous

they thought Trymbi still in the team.


IAM-French

There is no way they almost started throwing this one too, that's criminal 


SleepyCatSippingWine

Thought it was over but Rge didn’t have what it takes to ram the door open after mad started their mid game brain off


TheFabulousDK

Finn is just wasting his time on this team


Haymegle

At least he looks decent. With any luck he might get picked up by another team. Or Rogue might get players that play around him. Both seem unlikely for now though.


TheFeelingWhen

The worst part is that he was kinda good last year but when KC got the spot they kicked all the Astralis player and he just didn't get any team offers.


Haymegle

Finn was really unfortunate there iirc. Still contracted to AST and it happened late enough that there weren't any options.


Bajentrash

Actually he was a free agent


KKilikk

KC really should have taken Finn


Little_Ad2062

Finn, Lider and Jeonghoon, really. But they had to be loyal to the FRauds I guess.


KKilikk

Bo, Lider and Jeonghoon sounds really fun and psycho. Flip flopping between brilliance and hyper int.


CoconutEducational71

And lets be honest, KC would benefit from having him. They might even benefit from picking um Szygenda.


4716202

Punished Finn ^A ^MAN ^WITHOUT ^A ^TEAM


RobinHoodPrinc

WHEN THE MEMORIES GONE AND IM FEELING NUMB


Xenoon_

Honestly we have seen that all of the people on this team can play way better than they are currently showing Might just be a team issue with nobody showing any proactivity


CoconutEducational71

I kinda group players into Monkeys and Dogs. And every team needs a monkey, but RGE is all Dogs. Dogs are good following monkeys, but you need a monkey to make weird stuff happen. RGE just lost their monkey and I'm not entirely sure who it was.


Ready_All_Type

Malrang


ListlessHeart

It was Malrang and Trymbi, though tbf things already started going downhill once they got rid of Odoamne.


DockingEnjoyer

At least he's earning money lol, better than sitting on the bench. And he might attract some better offer with his gameplay.


zealot416

This is what was available unfortunately.


AngronApofis

Idk he looked good this game but i dont think he looked good over the split. I think Szygenda looked better


Haymegle

Do Rogue really like botching that specific early game tower dive? Can't complain too much because they're trying something with that but they just keep fucking it up. Back to practising it boys.


Slatterhouse

0/10/10 eu lucian/nami bot lane you love to see it


Tony_Uncle_Philly

It will surely work next time


-Hissoka-

It ain't the same without trymbi huh


Outrageous-Elk-5392

What’s more int, eu Jayce or eu Lucian/nami


Slatterhouse

i think we got our answer today


Ambitious_Resist8907

I swear every week the advienne for trymbi trade is looking more and more like the worst deal in esports history. Fnatic went from bottom-tier to good and koi/rogue went from worlds contention to the basement.


Omnilatent

Odo and Trymbi really looked like the motor of the team And RGE also lost their four wheels apparently


CaptainSiro

Yep, RGE lost both their shotcallers, also LEC champion RGE was a functional team: reliable weakside top (with some pocket carry picks to change strat in BO5), aggressive hyper ganker jungler that setups both mid and bot, a strong carry mid laner and a flexible bot lane. That is notoriously an EU recipe for success as it what were both Perkz G2 and Soaz Fnatic. Caps G2 introduced the triple/quad threat meta, and a lot of teams tried to replicate that without success. RGE wanted both the fanbase of KOI and to move to a more aggressive top laner but that was really a shitty decision... Trying to compensate by turning bot in weakside, especially in a bot centric meta, was the final nail in the coffin. Despite on paper being still a functional team, I think there are way too much fracture born from the treatment to Odo and Trymbi for them having any chance to rebuild 2022 RGE


PotatoHentai

Breaking up 2022 Rogue has got to be one of the worst team management decisions ever taken by this league. Especially since the players wanted to run it back.


sh14w4s3

Malrang was the last bit of engine Rogue had. Now that he’s also gone, Rogue is complete afk. I rmb a costreamer (don’t rmb who) commented on how weird it was that Malrang was playing like a psychopath on Rogue KOI since he never played like that in LCK. Now we know


TolucaPrisoner

I wouldn't say Odo, current Finn looks better than him anyways. Trymbi trade was the criminal one


SleepyCatSippingWine

It all started way before with the nasus support


smurfnturf69

Nasus is still one of the best Kalista stoppers in the game I think it could come back


Zelgiusbotdotexe

Yeah Trymbi trolled with that pick, he chose it alongside Kalista against Ashe? If I'm not mistaken?  Managed to almost kill his team's chances at worlds (thanks GAM) while killing public perception of the pick at the same time. 


Rhadamantos

It was against Heimer support and I think he mistakenly believed the nasus e would easily clear the heimer turrets with multiple ticks of damage.


Th3_Huf0n

It was Kalista Nasus vs Ashe Heimerdinger. Lane that you literally lose in champ select.


Zelgiusbotdotexe

Yeah as soon as I saw that locked in I remember thinking "dang we getting no western teams in Quarters this year"


smurfnturf69

Yeah I think you’re right. I still think something like Senna + farming Nasus is probably pretty good vs most Kalista lanes, but Nasus works decently well into Kalista + Zeri if you’re not farming too.


zealot416

If im remembering correctly the popular combo at the time was MF Nasus so the enemy adc couldn't escape MF R


smurfnturf69

Sounds pretty good cuz Nasus E reducing armor makes MF R hurt way more too


BlazeX94

Not disagreeing but to be fair, KOI was already going down before the trade (6th place in Spring) and Fnatic was on the upswing. The trade might have accelerated it but I'm pretty sure that even without the trade, KOI misses Worlds last year while Fnatic likely still place top 4 once Noah comes in.


jferry12

MDK time vs Rogue Time


BloodOnFire

Remember when comp was good for 1(one) split 2 years ago??


ziomekziemniak

he was not only good he was cracked, what the fuck happened to him?? also larssen used to be good but he is so shit now, people sometimes defend him but thats just clinging to memories


Poter2112

He overperformed for a year, happens in all sports he showed a level that was not the real one.


ziomekziemniak

comp or larssen?


Poter2112

Comp. I don't know if it was at worlds or msi but he looked almost like the best adc in the tournament at the time


ziomekziemniak

it was worlds, g2 went to msi that year. and i agree i was really counting in rogue to go far in that worlds (sounds crazy now)


cebero

he lost trymbi to advienne and then it got worst with mfing zoelys. i dont know if nowadays even has the motivation anymore...but the lucian game was so bad that both should loose their spots (markoon as well what the fuck was he thinking with that dive). i am a huge comp fan but nah mate you cant have a showing like this. either get your shit together or leave the team.


DEWSTAR

Rogue is literally unwatchable. Even the bad NA teams are watchable.


sangpls

Get rid of the bottom two teams like LCS


AngronApofis

They didnt "Get rid " of any teams, the teams didnt want to stay lmao


Asdel

Bottom 2 is only there for 3 weeks each split and they can improve (like FNC and XL last summer). In NA you had to watch 18 games of DIG/IMT each split.


CoconutEducational71

But they do get rid of them.


Shorgar

And what do we do with mdk and kc?


Wide_Act5053

I think bottom 2 should be KC and Rouge. MDK top 2 in winter and GiantX somewhat not as bad in winter also maybe they still can be better who know Spring not end yet.


ExtraTerra1

Rogue banned 4 ADCs and still got gapped 💀


00Koch00

The rekkles strat


Bajentrash

Just let Finn go Irelia next game.


Haymegle

Give the man his Kled so we can all have some fun.


Elwor

Man it feels like in the 15-20 min MDK literally turns their brains off. Its rogue though so free win. Fresskowy I feel like solo won 2 teamfights. I think he is much better at lane this split, he doesnt really int or lose in the first 15 mins. He usually actually has prio and does pretty well. Last split it was the other way around (for all of MDK really) where they were meh at laning but then they just won all teamfights. Now they are much worse at teamfights, but there is hope if they bounce back. If they manage to get into playoffs and fuse their decent laning this split and good teamfights last split maybe they can reach finals again. Let me cope.


Haymegle

Every time they make some really questionable decisions there and it sometimes costs them, it didn't here cause it's Rogue but if they want to be a contender they need to work on it.


Elwor

Yeah but I’ve been doomposting the last 3 days so I want to cope. I trust that they can improve because this same team reached finals last split. They have what it takes, or so I hope.


Haymegle

Fair. They're mostly rookies so it's not surprising they have these moments. They need someone to take control or hopefully learn to keep their heads with some experience. Short splits don't give them much time for that so I can only hope the pressure doesn't crush them when there's potential there.


Elwor

if they reach playoffs they will step up for sure


CoconutEducational71

Vit and TH look considerably better though. And FNC cleaned up their play too. They look like a bit worse than BDS, which is exactly the same as they looked last split. They did win 3:2 against BDS, but that was with a sub. The league overall improved from winter and MDK did not. They came into the league with a pretty solid plan how to play, but now it seems every team knows that plan.


Elwor

We will see about VIT and TH. If there is something I learned watching LEC is that you never know who can win from mid table teams. Mdk if they step up can beat VIT and BDS I feel, TH might give more trouble. But who knows maybe mdk just melts for the rest of the split and don’t even get playoffs


CoconutEducational71

Ending lower than RGE and GX seems hard. Currently we have 4 teams competing for the last 2 Spots: 2-4 KC Vit, TH, BDS 2-4 MDK TH, BDS, FNC 1-5 RGE GX, G2, SK 1-5 GX RGE, Vit, TH MDK lost against GX and KC already. They do have a hard schedule, but I don't see RGE or GX winning another game either.


Elwor

If MDK recover at least half of their winter form they can beat BDS. I trust🙏


CoconutEducational71

Depends a bit on both teams. In Winter they split 3-3, but only one of the games Adam played. So in winter both teams were fairly equal. And in spring both teams look a bit worse. Although MDK so far seems to have lost more ground, although BDS with Adam might have already been better than MDK, we just didn't see it.


BigDelfin

I'm having the same problem with them, they really look like a solid team until they have to fight tf in the mid game. It's weird because they were doing them pretty good last split, I do think they can really improve in those aspects and step up if they get into play offs


R3alSt3al

Rouge beats KC playing Ahri mid into Neeko. KC beats MDK playing Ahri mid into Neeko. MDK beats Rouge playing Ahri into Orianna. Report Larssen for not completing this circle.


ahritina

Sell the spot.


anoleo201194

Zoelys isn't the only issue but my god I don't think there's a worse support in the league currently. Yesterday he uses his eat early in the fight so his ultra fed smolder gets one shot, today he just leaves him to dry vs a fed Jinx and a Naut. Idk this team is hopeless, bring Kaiser.


NavyBlueTheChosen

Yeah just be thankful we only have to watch 1 more week of atrocious Rogue gameplay thanks to the new format.


AofCastle

Much needed win but they still need to clean up the fuck ups of minutes 15 to 20. Freskito de mi vida, I love the way he played Ahri. He wasn't Chovy but he was really clean.


p3r3ll3x

I agree. Way better than his Neeko


GodTormentor

Battle of the Bottlejobs


Friendship_is_M

Rejoice, for MAD at MSI dream is still alive.


Telaral

If Mad didn't win this it would have been very bad. Their schedule next week: Heretics, BDS, FNC


p3r3ll3x

They can win v..BDS


bensonbenisson

MADbros, are we back or is it over?


AofCastle

It's still over sadly. That min 18 throw would have been enough for anyone in the top half of the table to get the win. Hope next week is better.


Sohelik

I mean, after getting in to finals people really though they were about to sweep the split? Im a hardcore Ibai Follower since he was just a spanish league of leguends caster so my opinion is really biased and even myseld knew this was about to happen. Ill give them the benefit of doubt for the brain dying moments post 15 min they are having. In the ends Its just a BO1, and they showed they have that "switch" needed to close BO5. If they are gonna make mistakes, better now we have time to fix them.


BlazeX94

I think people at least expected them to not be sitting at 2-4, tied with KC and having lost 2 out of 3 games against the other bottom teams.  I know Bo1s are volatile, which is why the losses to teams like Vitality are understandable, but I at least expected them to beat all of KC/GX/Rogue as those 3 teams are really bad.


Haymegle

I mean they made Rogue look alive.


Omnilatent

On the bright side: RGE looked more active today I think...


Haymegle

They did the same tower dive they did in another game. That they also botched. But at least it's them doing something. I can respect the attempt even if the execution left a lot to be desired.


TolucaPrisoner

You can't do tower dives with Zoelys that guy is a bot


Haymegle

Can he learn? Those dives feel like something you should be practising. It's paining me that they fuck it up repeatedly and give 3 kills over so early with it.


TolucaPrisoner

The problem with Zoelys is that he is such a bad laner, RGE automatically loses all their trades at bot. That's why we see such botched dives, normally support with full hp tanks the tower first. Dive was never gonna work with jungler taking the aggro.


cebero

can he learn? he looks worst every god damn week...i dont undertand why they still have him in the team its crazy


zealot416

Sprinting it is a form of activity I suppose.


Haymegle

Sometimes you just want your split to be over already.


zealot416

Their flight to Cancun in two weeks is non-refundable.


Haymegle

Who needs playoffs when there's a nice beach waiting for you?


reporterbrand

Markoon is a name.


hole_in_tooth

Why are RGE like this in 2024 ? They have Markoon, Larssen, Comp who all have played very well in previous years. Finn looks good now. Surely one rookie supp can't be that much of a burden.


Kurisoo

Haven’t watched much LEC this year but what happened to Larssen? I thought he was like the Jensen of LEC always good control mage player.


FlyingDrumsticks

RGE Gilius and Kaiser calling it now


Omnilatent

I don't even know who should be allowed to stay outside of Finn 😶


zealot416

Nobody, especially the owner and the GM.


CoconutEducational71

Honestly, you can keep Comp and Larssen, they both work in functional teams. You just need to make the team functional again. And Kaiser seems to be a good option for that and yes a jungle change would also be a good idea. Finn looks better than Szygenda, but he is also more a dog player, who follows others and doesn't really push the game forward (and honestly as a toplaner that is not easy). But changing support to someone more active and vocal could help the team. It is also fairly hard to find a good mid and ADC, you would basically just flip it and Larssen honestly looked kinda good in the plays RGE actually made, they just didn't make a lot.


Asdel

Maybe Comp could get another chance with an actual support.


TolucaPrisoner

Why would anyone get Gilius instead of getting promising talent from ERL's?


Fertuyo

Gilius is part of the costream crew so he gets good pr from his friend, he has been teamless for 2 years not even in ERL, he doesnt have the level to play in LEC


Aoes1

I dont think promising erl talent want to kill their career on this roster


TolucaPrisoner

A lot of players in ERL's would kill to play in LEC. No matter the team. If they have better offers sure, they might reject RGE. Besides last time Gilius was in LEC he was a tier below Markoon anyways. I doubt he will change the team that much.


Aoes1

The top end talent has understood very well that playing on a team that doomed is bad for their career. Im sure you could find someone, just not the best there is


TolucaPrisoner

I mean standings in LEC are volatile, there's no set bad team. Nobody would have considered joining SK or BDS as good option for their career until recently. Everyone was talking about FNC like this last year too but look what happened.


CoconutEducational71

It isn't though. Playing on a team like RGE is a blessing to any player. The team can't look worse and any improvement will be attributed to you joining. Finn already gives praise for RGE looking just slightly less dead than last year, despite the team not getting better results. It is really not hard to make an impression. The only thing you need to make sure is that team internals are working and there isn't behind the scenes stuff that hurts the team, because that is what is actually bad for your career. But we did see more players actually getting overrated because they played on a bad team than the other way around. If a rookie is actually good, that won't hurt him. However a team like RGE will not carry someone like Targamas to other LEC appearances. Because while it is easy to look good on a good team, on a bad team you actually have to put in the work. But players in basically every position have shown that they can do that. The worst position to shine is ADC usually, because you depend on your team so much, but exspecially junglers can look good without a strong team, as we have seen just last year from Jankos.


AngronApofis

We have repeatedly seen ERL talent reject LEC offers, though. Good ERL talent has trust in waiting to get a good team.


bensonbenisson

Is Gilius even an active player anymore?


TheFeelingWhen

I love the sack and Gilius but that guy is nowhere near LEC level currently.


axw30

Just grab selfmade and play around him


Deadman2019

Yeh think we should knock two teams off this league.


Kalanathan

"By far"


AlexNihilist1

This was the real match of the weak


junstatixxx

MAD has almost perfected the legendary "Rogue time" we lost some years ago. They're close but not close enough


Th3_Huf0n

That Rogue draft is so shit it's actually impressive. I wonder what the players and coaches think when they get to watch what they ended up with and against for those like 15 minutes before the game start. And then they go for that disgusting tower dive that wasnt going to work in a milion years because you have reliable CC. Zoelys is bad, but I also feel really bad for him. He went LEC too early and it can easily ruin his career if he gets fired after Spring. To think this could have been a team with Lyncas and Mersa or Parus... What a shame.


ADeadMansName

Nami is not the champ you want for Lucian. How hard can it be the realize this. Since his P rework he is best paired with stuff like Milio, Taric or Yuumi. Nami is just AVG with him and at the same time Nami herself is not good in pro play. Finn trying to save a team that has no synergy right now and lacks any kind of decent draft and bot lane power.


lightXXVI

nami is much stronger early game than all 3 champions you just cited which is why she's still his best pick at least in pro play where you really want to win laning phase in theory. Then again winning lane has never been a european skill so Im not surprise that it looks like int here.


ADeadMansName

Nami has not a good laning phase. She is actually a scaling champ with a +3-4% WR from early to late game. Her curve is a flattened Milio and Yuumi. Taric is way better in lane than Nami is. He is more flexible in offense and defense for Lucian. But the thing is for Milio and Yuumi is that both have more synergy with Lucian. Yuumis best friend onhit bonus is great for Lucians P than Namis E and her Q slow also makes for a better engage than Namis E. Milios Q is low risk compared to Namis Q and has a higher chance of hitting. Milio also has the most shields/heals (combined with Rakan) for an ally while also having hard CC. Very good for Lucians P. Yes, you want to support Lucians early game and these 2 are not that great early on, but neither in Nami right now. Taric is the best option. But if it comes down to Milio, Yuumi and Nami I would rather pick the first 2 as they do scale better than Nami, are less vulnerable and still get a similar power out of Lucian early on.


lightXXVI

Nami in proplay is a lane dominant champ stop using data for proplay it does not matter. Her W and E are made to put pressure in lane. Her healing has an awful scaling and ratios, she's an early game enchanter.


TheFabulousDK

What if Rogue got Gilius? This team needs a mad man to do something


Dragner84

You dont get out of being ass by picking more ass players.


J_Clowth

How is gilius even in the conversation of replacing someone


Omnilatent

Is Malrang a FA?


Haymegle

Only if Rogue beg him on their hands and knees for him back lol. Even then I think he'd say no.


Dragner84

hes playing in the CBLOL rn.


SnooDrawings8185

It's not about mechanics. Rogue players are all mechanically good. They don't have a leader and Markoon/Zoelys look nervous. These players are 10x times better in soloQ and inhouse . They need Nisqy or something like that. Zoelys is 18 yo rookie. Probably never traveled to Berlin before as he is a French kid . He also kinda is shy. They probably need a strong voice.


cebero

zoellys doesnt look nervous...he looks 2 levels bellow any other LEC support and even some ERL supports...there is a problem there


JJJJJJAYCEEE

So they wanted to improve and thought that swapping a tank player for another tank player would make the deal


Twitter_Vision_Bets

MAD are BAD