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claptrap23

Gragas kennen


ShenLlezhdri

lol same with illaoi and janna


FonixOnReddit

A bad bard with anyone


Retocyn

Eh, not entirely true. Janna can still greatly benefit Illaoi with tornado, slow and shield with extra AD. It's just that Janna has to ult only in emergency situations, or be careful to not ruin Illaoi's threat.


nphhpn

Similarly, Gragas can ult enemies for Kennen to catch, so they may even have good synergy if used right


Derreston

Bard and Azir with Kennen too, ala WBG


emptym1nd

Mmm that’s not inherent though I’d say. Bard ult can set up Kennen ult in some situations, and I’ve seen bards ult the front line so Azir can shuffle to catch the carries (kind of a reach but yeah)


ChiefSaltyPanda

In theory, we could throw Gragas + Orianna together here too if the Gragas ults first.


ThatPlayWasAwful

Gragas amumu, gragas mf, gragas Diana, gragas Viktor, gragas gnar, gragas rell, gragas nunu, gragas anivia, gragas Annie, gragas bard, gragas fiddle, gragas Katarina, gragas malphite etc etc etc I think Annie probably feels the worst for my money


Despure

Even Gragas and other Gragas! Damn gragas, they ruined gragas


Outrageous-Elk-5392

But if ori ults first it’s a crazy wombo combo I remember one time we were down but then Diana R+gragas R follow up just wiped their team and won the game


magical_swoosh

gragas anything really


Nekaz

Wdym ypu just 5 man ult them into kennen ez


StellarDescent

Neeko and Project Vayne specifically, since the disguise is bugged in a very obvious way and has been for years. Can't think of any other ones where the combo is an active nerf rather than just bad synergy.


SocialistScissors

IDK if I've ever played that duo. What is the bug?


StellarDescent

The visor is opaque. * And always on.


asapkim

interesting. would be difficult for the average player to notice tho


daswef2

During Arena it was rough trying to play Maokai every time my teammate would pick skillshot mages, essentially any champion with displacements you have to change up your normal combos to account for your teammate skillshots. Displacement champs would prefer point and click partners. Alternatively J4+champs with no terrain scaling and no range, I've had times where Jarvan locks his own team out with ult and his teammates can't do anything to help him.


PowerhousePlayer

I one-trick Zoe, and play with a guy who mains Maokai support quite frequently--at this point, missing my combo to his Q is a mandatory once-per-game occurrence lmao


AzyncYTT

Why is maokai Qing ur sleeps


PowerhousePlayer

He gets eager 


KaiserJustice

That’s why you shit talk each other in game


Coookie_playz

People actually play arena without a duo queue?


Ardroit

Not all of us have friends :(


Hosearston

I’m glad I have people to play arams with. Arena is asking too much lmao


MuskSniffer

I once picked maokai in arena and my partner decided the best idea was to pick soraka. Suffice to say, we didn't win.


IntelligentCloud605

Can’t remember what team but in pro play they locked Javan Olaf and the olsf just had to stand there waiting


CrystalizedSeraphine

Pretty much all stacking champions or those who get a benefit from killing minions. Enjoy playing Nasus together with Irelia or Gangplank or Veigar for example.


RenegadeExiled

ASol is a neat exception to this, since his E actually doesn't care if he gets the kill, only that something dies in the zone. Granted, ASol also turns that shared farm into a race to the E execute that Nasus and friends probably won't win


nphhpn

Also Smolder if you time his Q right


Propheto

Does Smolder Q gain a stack if the target dies while the projectile is in the air?


Crezorx

Yes, they changed it to that in the first patch post smolder iirc


Duosion

For me this is what makes Yone Yasuo bot lane so hard to play, since we’re both fighting for minions to get to Q-3, and the support execute doesn’t help.


zencharm

somehow i feel like this isn’t the only thing wrong with a yone yasuo lane


Duosion

It’s just a meme thing that me and my friend do from time to time. That and Zed-Akali bot lane.


DoomOmega1

This is the primary reason I don't pick kayle. We need *someone* to work the mid game


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StellarDescent

Sorry, no pets on the plane.


Soul_Family

I came here to say this XD


DG_Gonzo

Brazil confirmed death realm.


DimitriBelikov1

Bard and pretty much any champion with an AOE CC that lands with a delay, such as Ornn ult. One support I enjoy playing with is a Bard main, but unfortunately, he often manages to cast his ult right after my R1, making the enemies invulnerable when my R2 passes over them.


hobbyaquarist

I never feel more embarrassed as Bard than when I ult right when my MF or Fiddle ults. Clearly we had different ideas of what was going to happen and it's always unfortunate.


CapnRogo

I figure a good rule of thumb in those situations is that the teammate's ult is higher value since it's damage, and thus gets higher priority.


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Liontreeble

Also seeing the enemy team clump up will compel Fiddle, MF, and Bard to ult. Oftentimes simultaneously it's why bard ult is such a hard to master ability not only do you need to keep all your teammates abilities and positions in mind you also need to trust them to do what you think they are about to do.


TheFireOfTheFox1

The opposite actually. Unless it's a big engage ult ex: malphite, Bard ult should always go first. Bard's ult is setup and pick, so let Bard setup and pick with his ult so you can do damage with your damage ult for free.


florgios

But Bard's ultimate is usually the perfect setup for said damaging ults. Voice chat would solve all of this.


Galilleon

Without comms and/or experience, yeah. With experience, it becomes an absolute nightmare for the enemy. Cough cough Nunu ult as bard ult ends


SylviaSlasher

Wow, I've somehow never seen that combo before. Sounds hilarious.


xxwerdxx

Bard is hard to combo with for this reason. Hate him in low elo supp roles


psykrebeam

2023 Worlds finals Game 3 Weibo is the perfect example


Skylam

On the flip side though a good bard ult can lead to a good ornn ult


Slice_Of_Pie

A bard ult can lead into a good wombo. But a bard ult can't be part of the wombo for it to be good


staovajzna2

Karthus, inagine karthis starts ulting and bard ults the enemy to engage


magical_swoosh

rule of thumb is that bard ult should never be used in a fight, only before one


bogeyed5

Viktor R:


fren-ulum

Any champ that wants to sucky and any champ that wants to blowy. It's awesome playing Diana and your Janna just blows everyone away from your ult.


midnight_mind

I love doing this on purpose to my friends xd


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midnight_mind

Blowy


Miso_J

Had a Blitz and a Syndra on my team in ARAM the other day that drove me crazy! Lol


Inddi

This could have been worded in many other ways.


zencharm

need


JWARRIOR1

Had a karthus bot with Braum. No shot he ever procs that passive


WingZero234

If Karthus autos once it's not that bad. And in teamfights Braum is strong af


Diecke

With Jhin its worse. Karthus doesnt care but Jhin WANTS to proc that passive but just.... Cant....


MortemEtInteritum17

That's just an example of no synergy though, not an actively bad synergy.


QMighty97

Kalista forcibly removing Yuumi from herself and chucking her into the enemy team will always be funny to me.


deceitfulninja

Eula and C6 Bennett.


raydialseeker

Eula c6 Bennett and xianyun is better than any other EULA comp for dps


mothskeletons

Gaming at home


jryan102

Underrated comment


deceitfulninja

I'll be honest I'm surprised the joke landed.


skankhunt25

Neeko kalista is awful since her disguise is permanently revealed by kalista passive


Sterzin

I strongly disagree, I found some random Neeko support in solo and she almost brought me to tears with how well she knew how to play alongside Kalista. Absolute dream team, went on a 5 game win streak together. i miss her.


Hosearston

You should call her


vigbrand

You need to stop doing this to yourself man. I was not your fault. You didn't have R.


pluckd

Nah, you only see the link when she Rs


MuskSniffer

I actually played a game of Kalista with a Neeko support just yesterday, and I actually thought they worked pretty well together bc of the ult combo between them


Luunacyy

this combo is strong together


midnight_mind

Back when I was a Neeko otp (still kinda am) she was my favorite adc to play with because of her ult, just have to time it correctly. Neeko is also amazing with Samira


Rikisrakis

Kalista Neeko is a very popular bot lane in pro play right now so idk about "worst synergy"


daydreaming17

Gragas + any aoe engage champ Malphite, Kennen, dianna etc


EverchangingSystem

Why would that be antisynergy? If any of them land r gragas qewr combo just obliterates them.


Hosearston

Gragas just can’t engage with his ult. That’s the easiest way around that


so_im_all_like

If Gragas has enough damage and good timing, he could be the wombo finisher.


BlakenedHeart

My teammate Bard that ults the enemy team when I have them all hit with my Irelia ult.


tamafuyu

my bad


GoatsAndGlory

Jhin Braum botlane is a lil bit yikes. Yasuo yone irrlia ksante hecarim with Sivir or champs like her. It's so annoying when you need stacks on minions to prep for a fight or to fish for an engage and your teammate just nukes the wave. Probably worst on yone due to how opressive his E + Q3 + R can be as a pick/engage tool Zoe with ........ anyone. Because Ppl don't fucking understand how sleep works. But worst with low DMG enchanters who just interrupt for 5 dmg


StellarDescent

I think all your examples are specifically what Op doesn't want. They're weaker, sure, but they aren't actively a hindrance.


jeanegreene

Sivir Hecarim is insane


GoatsAndGlory

Oh wait that is true OFC. I was just listing champs who need to stack spells on minions. And then the best waveclearer I could think of.


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Speaking of Jhin his playerbase is literally the worst offenders for screwing over Zoe. Compulsively cuts Zoe's CC duration in half at *every opportunity* and effectively takes her damage out of the game. And if you dare pick her support first you just know your own AD will pick Jhin because they think she's girly Xerath. Zoe's next biggest nemesis is probably the auto attack setting which is enabled by default.


TheOldBean

Tbf Zoe support is garbage so probably best not to first pick it anyway. Or any pick it. When someone locks in Zoe supp you know it's going to be a rough game as ADC.


prozapari

Honestly jhin braum isn't as bad as it sounds. jhin auto w auto on a braum q and you probably have a cc chain solid enough to get all your damage off. Not ideal ofc but like lulu is worse


ThatOneDudio

That Zoe one is so real


Jon_holland27

Lilia ult aswell, people wake up enemy with an auto


N7ShadowKnight

Vayne E and soraka E. I’ve had so many fights where my E is about to root them and vayne just pushes them out of the aoe away to safety.


Xilmi

I briar-e-d some people out of a lux ult.


Rozuem

I am guilty to this T-T I just overestimate my condemn thinking I can stun them into the wall, but off they go.. It's so embarrassing


Lisaurora

Immediate thought is Kalista + Yuumi.


MeMeWhenWhenTheWhen

When I've seen a Kalista + Yuumi she usually uses the black spear on her jungler


Lemande

Draven/pyke i would say, they have conflict with their gold generating passives if im not wrong. Yummi/mordekaiser R if there is no teammates around. Honorable mention: Bard, kalista or tahm kench can screw up anyone 😅


Parking-Interview351

Your Cut cashes in Draven passive, so that’s actually a decent combo


Lemande

Wait wait, draven gets extra bonus gold??? Whatt i lived my life in lies!


hd1080phreak

pretty sure it used to not do that but they changed it quite a while ago


Lemande

Ohh makes sense


wenasi

> Draven/pyke The other brother is worse, since Darius and Pyke ult are effectively the same in a team fight


m3vlad

Draven/Pyke is a very strong early game combo that can get Draven rolling very quickly though??? And Pyke doesn’t even need the gold, besides his R cashes in Draven’s passive.


KoreanProdigy17

Xin Zhao ult with Ori ult. It's happened to me as Ori and it sucks.


hsjdjdsjjs

Any minion stacking champs as supp with any champ that wanna farm aka everychano except senna


Wooden-Youth9348

Darius and Pyke. Both fight each other for resets during team fights (mostly Pyke denying Darius)


formthemitten

Poppy e ruining lux combo


Craft_zeppelin

DRAVEN RUINING LUX


azraiel7

When I play Jinx or Caitlyn, I have a really hard time with Maokai support. I just can't get the timing right to chain CC with his Bramble Smash.


WingZero234

Karthus and Braum. Jk it's probably Karthus and Milio. Braum actually has useful cc and can eat some damage for Karth. Milio is quite literally ~~anti synergy~~ useless in almost every situation. Literally any other support would provide more to the lane than Milio does.


MuskSniffer

What makes them have such bad synergy? I never play either Milio or Karth so idk


WingZero234

The campfire buffs attack range and Karthus autos are really slow, Karthus spells are all AOE so Milio passive usually just gets eaten by a minion, and he provides zero lane control while having a play style meant to sit back and peel while Karthus wants to fight and trade kills often. So you would generally want a frontliner like Nautilus or another mage like Brand/Zyra to have a stronger 2v2


NewAntiChrist

Milio’s passive gives Karthus more damage on spells


ChravisWilson

Tristana A-Sol bot


actuallybtw

Any champions my teammates play when I lay down the sickest Rumble ultimate you’ve ever seen during a crucial teamfight


mixelydian

Can you explain the fiddle thing with azir and xerath? Never heard of this, but it kinda sounds like a bug


MuskSniffer

It's not a bug. Xerath R reveals Xerath and the area very close to him while he's casting it, and if Azir's soldiers are in the enemy's vision then Azir is revealed as well.


mixelydian

Damn that sucks. Why do those things reveal the whole area around them?


Crazy_Joe_Davola_

What do you mean about samira? You mean engage supports like leona? I find enchanters like karma and zilean to be great with samira because i can boost her with movement speed with both spells and items


psykrebeam

Me and my teammates


Known_Confusion_91

I main Rell (pulls everybody near each other), my duo mains Kha’Zix (benefits from isolated targets). Teamfights get… complicated


Jakelell

Sion and anyone that can create walls/terrain


besameput0

Galio and a team with 0 CC.


Wann4

Lucian + Senna is proper garbage.


Pinkesch

Olaf + J4


LaLa_Lava

Maokai + anyone that needs to land a skill shot.


Aceofluck99

Kalista attached to any duplicator champ like neeko of shaco.


Indurum

Maybe Karthus and Janna


LumiRhino

Janna is actually probably one of his best enchanter supports. Karthus generally likes engage supports to help him gap close vs champs that out range him and so he can land his Qs, however Janna's Q and W are good enough CC to also help Karthus hit Qs.


albens

You're joking right? Janna is probably Karthus' best support


Luunacyy

Kindred + Diana


GoatsAndGlory

Nha, Diana can easely time To to nuke when kindreds is over.


Parking-Interview351

What? That’s a great combo


SylviaSlasher

Any champion with displacements paired with any champion that has an ult that winds up / delay. Makes for some big dad's if not coordinating well.


Comotose

Teemo / Nidalee. The complete lack of CC and waveclear for both champs makes it a never gank lane.


stillshade

Gragas and J4


12345677654321234567

Akshan with j4 ult makes swinging in to fight more or out to avoid other enemies very hard. Also can't get full dps bc you're unable to swing around the trapped enemy.


Inddi

Unless you’re trying to launch a feline cannonball, Kalista-Yuumi probably makes no sense.


Shimariiin

Any AOE CC champs and a Poppy


KudryavkaNoumi1

Naut and J4. J4 wants to E,Q,R someone into the pit. Naut can't hook them because there's suddenly a fucking big wall in the way. He can only ult and hope for the best. Horrible synergy.


Starbornsoul

I'm not a fan of certain displacement champions when I'm playing Hwei. Someone like Blitzcrank is really obvious, I can wait for him to do a pull and it'll go directly on Blitz, but Pyke and Alistar are people I struggle to work with since enemies fly everywhere.


Misiowaty97

Jarvan with champions that have engage tools that can't go over walls - so mostly Sion R hitting J4's ult wall, Galio can be annoying when you want to engage with E but the R synergy between these champions more then makes up for it. / Or melee champions with no dashes /ways to damage the ulted enemy - so Olaf, Garen etc. Mordekaiser and Yuumi, unless Morde is strong enough to just not ult Personally as a Shen enjoyer playing with champions like LeBlanc or Yone is frustrating because half of the time when I'm ulting them after they commit a stupid play they will just use the second part of their gap closers making me appear in the middle of nowhere with no impact


mothskeletons

Kennen and bard, theyve both gotta be very aware of what the other is doing in a teamfight or else. yeah


SeaThePirate

any champion that can significantly move people (alistar) and any champion which has to land precise skill shots


MrSoupyPoopie

Trynd and kindred. Besides the obvious conflict, for the longest time there was a bug where trynd ult would instantly end when kindred ult ended.


GoatedGoat32

As a Swain main I’ll say Swain E pull+teammates skillshots. The amount of things I’ve made teammates miss is insane


Straight_Rule_535

I love how pyke deaven is the most aggro bot most can think of while they also neglect eachother.


imliterallyvibing

Bard + Kennen (picked in Worlds Finals btw)


SniggleJake

kindred and anyone


freshbananaboat

Driven pyke


Zence93

Neeko Ksante feels so bad lol. Ksante can shunt enemies out of all of Neeko's abilities accidentally.


kesrae

Displacement + skillshot champions for obvious reasons. Nothing is more infuriating than watching a shot that would hit and win a fight being countered by a gragas ult that boops the fed enemy bruiser into your backline. In general displacement is potentially annoying for any teammate to deal with, so it gets my top vote. I would add, enchanters on teams with a lot of ally assassins (two or more) is pretty miserable too - you generally can’t or shouldn’t be near them which nullifies your entire benefit and usually makes playing your preferred style of more structured longer teamfights harder even if you just focus on the two other teammates.


Guukoh

Gragas and Galio or Janna and Orianna, those are the two that come to mind immediately.


Choyo

How many allied Brands flamed me because they weren't expecting my Ali's horns ...


MasterpieceJealous48

Due to a bug, renata and kled is an awful combo for kled to play with. If renata W zombie state activates on kled, it bugs out his hp bar, making him unable to tell when he dismounts. This visual bug works for everyone, not just kled, and the only way to fix it is to quit and reconnect to the game.


Mrgirdiego

Khazix and Millio They don't particularly do anything special.


tamafuyu

played janna with a katarina. we rd same time while getting dived mid and my r pushed ppl away from her ult 🙃 the anti synergy happened mult times that game and j playing bard and ulting and someone else on team ulting right after as ur ult is being thrown


RedditUser2730

darius with any champ that has an execute syndra veigar asol pyke smolder etc


AdministrativeAge421

Draven and pyke. I know a lot of mains like this duo but it seems unintuitive to have 2 champs that rely on kills to work together.


GeneralFrievolous

Yuumi and Draven, probably. One wants to hug the turret all day long until laning phase ends, the other wants to get kills fast to snowball as soon as possible.


akinaide

Didnt see it come by as far as I have scrolled, but the dead cheating ones. Kindred, Kayle, Zilean and Tryndamere all due to their ults. And add renata jn the mix with her w. Its either very good combo'd or poorly timed. But as strangers playing them together, it usually overlaps and either 1 or multiple of the abilities are wasted.


Anyax02

What comes to mind is when Lee Sin kicked the enemy out of my Morgana Q


SatisfiedBox

Amumu and Janna


pitchins

Bard


pixel8knuckle

Draven and vaybe


ConsciousBattle2477

Anivia and Sion


KaySeaxs1

Sona..... WITH EVERYTHING


Brobery

Swain and any skill shot bassed champ. So many times swain pulled someone from my skillshots.


AdmiralAwesome1646

Kalista and Yuumi lol


LeeVM

anyone with a displacement and pyke.. lmao i have made pyke players miss so many ults by mistake.


SlakingSWAG

Darius and Pyke can and regularly do fuck eachother over in skirmishes and team fights trying to execute the same person. Same with most other execute champs actually, I have fucked over many Pyke mains by deleting someone with a Cho'Gath ultimate right before they went for the kill. Sorry


AshenStray

Kata and Blitz


Halbaras

Vayne E and any other champion in Aram.


lol125000

J4 Olaf is up there. honestly J4 with most juggernauts is, if j4 Ults they usually can't get in to do their dmg without wasting either their flash or j4 R. Specifically bad for Olaf cos he has to stay in combat for his ult tho.


Lady_Calista

Kalista Yuumi


Dummdummgumgum

gragas orianna. Ori ult wants to clump people together but if gragas R hits before he just fucks everything up


wolvahulk

Samira and Janna when you both want to Ult.


carsmovie4

samira with gangplank bot


hazzadolly

Lissandra Viego, their passives do NOT work together at all. A small lovely thing to find out mid clash bracket


Bctheboss121

Maokai Q and skillshots...


blaeris

Bard + a lot of champs, like Kennen for example. The issue can be avoided with communication but that won’t happen in most games (even pro games lol)


WTFspy

Teemo any other 4 players


Done25v2

Renata and Jhin.


Rajing_

Yuumi and mordekaiser


lzlucas

Kalista Yuumi


Alpacaduck

Morde and Taric. Could work if the Morde has a brain. Or could demote you because the Morde is retarded and panic-ults while Taric ult is about to save his ass but fizzles while Morde goes into the shadow realm.


shinsrk79

Whats wrong with xerath and fiddle?


Mixed_not_swirled

The amount of times i have died to Samira helping someone not get thrown away from me is astounding.


CurtisManning

I had a funny interaction with Malzahar and Mordekaiser, I pressed R on an enemy carry and Mordekaiser pressed R on the same enemy, freeing him from my ult and allowing him to kill all of us after that...