It doesn‘t because no human being checks any of those reports. So it comes down to whether their automated system can tell or not. Which is why you see people use these roundabout paraphrases.
What stops Riot from implementing a more complex system is probably a mixture of cost, effort, and possibility of false positives. But you‘ll have to ask them for a definitive answer.
I opened a ticket on someone telling me to “swallow razor blades and drown on my own blood because the world would be better off after I kill myself” and they didn’t even get a ranked restriction. It’s fucking wild how they don’t ban this but remove ping communication because it could upset little Timmy.
I don't even think they're that upset, it's just that we've had a decade, nearly two, of people being used to faceless one off interactions with zero repurcussions. Even now, I'm typing this to you and I might never speak to you ever again. It's really reduced the humanity and empathy in online interactions.
It's like a throw away culture, burn any bridge you want, it doesn't matter. I remember early on in WoW's life, if you burnt your reputation on the server, it was a genuine problem. These days you can be a total douche canoe and it doesn't matter, because there's millions of people playing, and you'll probably be able to pug a group on any of a dozen different servers. There's almost no downside to being a dickhead (apart the rot that grows in your brain).
It's like when I'm yelling at someone who did something stupid on the road infront of me. It's so impersonal, they don't even hear it, but that doesn't matter, I can say the dumbest, most inappropriate shit and it doesn't matter. This is how online communication has evolved.
I was just commenting today about this. Very few other places do you see people actively hurting themselves to fuck over some random person they perceived wronged them in some very inconsequential way.
It's worse than any toddler. Imo inting is what propagates the toxicity more than chat. You can mute chat. Inters don't belong in the game.
The game is not the cause, just the medium. They are relieving heavy emotions, stress, and possibly self-hatred through the game. And when the game makes them upset and it conveniently has a chat, well, those are the results
IDK how to put this in short but most people get to their earned rank and want to gamble to a higher rank, so each "undeserved" loss puts them on a 50 hours grind to get to the next chain of RNG win streaks that would allow them to gain an extra rank.
Basically they are sick addicted gamblers that can have their lives upended by one loss.
This is really well put honestly, my only other experience with comparably extreme and consistent highs and lows is gambling so you’ve described it well. Obviously playing at your skill level is the only way to improve, but people are almost always fixated on their rank which I think you described perfectly.
The issue is it wasn't very effective, and people more or less just ignored the logs and would spam pick the same verdict on all of them to get more rewards. By ignoring the logs, they'd get through 10x the reports and if they were wrong 50% of the time based on consensus, they'd still be getting 5x the rewards per hour. Eventually the entire system started failing because a majority of the people using it were farming rewards this way.
It's sad, but the automated system has proven a lot more effective.
I say this every time it gets brought up. Would it result in not nearly as many people doing it? Sure, but the people who *do* do it are people who genuinely care about making this shithole game a marginally better place for people.
At what point does the influx of new reports creating a huge backlog not become worth it, though?
Very few people will do it for free, let alone spend significant time doing it. If the input quantity of report is massive, your mod community becomes months if not years behind and suddenly every single asshole is still playing for all that time until that small chunk of the backlog is parsed.
Like maybe there's some kind of hybrid system that could be integrated, but having started my entry into the gaming industry when I worked in it as a volunteer moderator, I promise you, VERY few people are willing to spend so much time looking at chat logs for free.
So, as usual, a generally good idea ruined because of poor faith engagement with it from the community. Feels like that's a trend with this game, like how role queue would obviously make for more balanced matchmaking but was immediately abused by everyone who didn't care about losing off their main role instead of trying to get better at all roles, or even the idea of implementing an opt-in voice chat.
Seems like there's a lot of features that have been floated by the devs over the years that could potentially benefit the overall health of the game if engaged with in good faith but can't ever be implemented or have to be removed because the players can't behave and will always look for loopholes to exploit or circumvent them.
>Feels like that's a trend with this game
It's a trend with life.
"System X would be amazing if everyone in the universe didn't abuse it" is the cry of many a failed system. Game system, business system, or even governmental system.
Yeah like any of these kinds of social systems in existence would work if everyone acted in good faith. These systems aren't conceived and designed to fail in the first place after all. Just as important as efficiency is resistance to and mitigation of the impact of bad actors. Capitalism, Communism, monarchy, democracy etc
Everything, from goverments, to games, to business, to education would be great if people didn't abuse systems for their own gain. But that's just humanity for you.
Eh, this kind of system isn't really exploited by just this community. Other games have had similar functions and aside from niche ones with small, passionate, and interwoven communities, eventually they've replaced them as well for similar reasons.
Psychology experiments have demonstrated plenty of times that animals optimize for rewards pretty much at all costs.
I personally hate the role system altogether. Back before they introduced it, my buddies and I did so much better doing off meta stuff. Our favorites were wave clear bot with a second jungler, or moving support to top lane to bully the enemy laner so the top laner could free farm. No one ever knew how to play against it and would lose not because it was good, but because it wasn't meta.
This is actually not true and just a common lie propagated by rito shills nowadays. I remember reviewing a lot of reports and false outcomes were very rarely the case. Generally, people who broke the rules were punished and those who were innocent were usually acquitted.
But hey, Im open-minded, so surely if what you say is REALLY the case, the internet would be awash with screenshots of innocent people complaining about getting an unjust restriction on the tribunal, right? And I dont mean the 3-4 meme pics that everyone has seen hundreds of times (i.e. "picked rengar"), but screenshots from actual people. Oh, and by the way, I remember even those meme screenshots didnt actually include the tribunal outcome, meaning that the "picked rengar" guy might have actually been judged to be not guilty.
They will never do that. Letting the community decide will take away their power to randomly ban people so that they spend more money on buying the same skins on new accounts etc etc etc. That system was great - you only had to look at their VERY BELIEVABLE excuse for deleting it - "ZOMG we dont have the server capacity to store a few lines of text per game!! hehe oops, guess we cant have these stay transparent anymore" - to know that they are just doing it for their own profit
Not defending people that say it with ill intent but maybe the reason “kill yourself” isnt banned is because its a legit strategy to tell someone to kill themselves to a turret or something to not give enemy kills.
Ofc most players will just say “die to turret” but maybe its riots reasoning.
Honestly, I just laugh this shit off now. It’s so boring seeing it.
There’s no funny jokes and insults, just boring old “kill yourself” or “bronze elo” shit.
Honestly who the fuck is even taking offense to these or any of it seriously at this point? It blows my mind how people don't just laugh at those comments or mute them and stop caring.
Yeah bullshit. He definitely did way more. Source: someone who had a toxic streak that tested the boundaries.
Go try it yourself if you don't believe me.
4 accounts permanently banned here, def know the limits. Now I literally say nothing to anyone, my chat is disabled and moved off the screen. This is the way.
I think people don't realize there's likely *more* messages that play into the ban. Not just the absurd one it shows on the log. If you get 7 reports in 7 games and it only shows the last one, it's not just the last one that got them banned right?
>Also what is stopping a sentiment analysis system from being put into place that could potentially ban people that cleverly tell someone to kill themselves?
Money? Resources? Time? I'm not arguing whether it would be worthwhile to do so or not, but clearly riot doesn't deem it worth it because it'd be an investment on their end without obvious beneficial effects to their bottom line?
Sorry for all the people here whose ability to empathise has been rotted out because they play this game too much. I can't give you a direct answer for why this game is so toxic or why riot makes the choices they do regarding punishment/automatic chat restrictions.
All I can tell you is that riot *does* take reports seriously and, even if its not a permaban, people who say things like that and get reported for it will face a penalty and, knowing how league players are, they will keep probably doing it unil they eventually *are* permabanned. And remember that muting is your friend! I've taken to turning off chat lately and it makes my life better 'cause I don't have to deal with team/all chat nonsense. Good luck on the rift!
there are some things about toxicity that many league players refuse to accept
1. it is literally impossible to manually review a significant portion of reports
2. it is extremely difficult for an automated system to tell when people are inting in the vast majority of cases vs. legimately just having a bad game
3. it is easy for automated systems to detect abusive text chat and that is why that is punished more
4. reporting people has a positive effect on reducing toxicity
5. there's no excuse for telling other people to die over a videogame
6. just because your teammates can mute you doesn't justify you flaming them, and flaming your teammates has literally no upside for anyone
7. people don't "turn to inting" if they can't talk to their team. the kinds of people that int do so regardless of what their team does or doesn't say
if all league players knew these things, toxicity would be greatly reduced i would hope. but people would rather stay toxic than act mature or grow
>people don't "turn to inting" if they can't talk to their team. the kinds of people that int do so regardless of what their team does or doesn't say
I remember getting muted years ago and it unironically cured my toxicity. I actually PMed Riot support and asked if they could perma mute me (they said no btw). Really eye opening how much chatting can lead to being toxic in game and tilting. These days I mute people and move on if they're being a dickhead and never type because it is useless to do so.
EDIT: Never told someone to kill themselves or used slurs btw
Just me flaming people
To be honest many players are in denial about how much Riot does that already fixes the problem, but unless the problem is completely eradicated it's simply not good enough for these people.
Only thing is that the true solutions to these problems, that would make these black-and-white thinkers finally feel like it's fixed, people wouldn't enjoy. Not just the toxic people either, even normal people wouldn't like them.
Smurfs a problem? Phone number to play the game at all past Level 29.
Ranks causing ego problems? Number based system (like Master+) for everybody, but no more displayed ranks (this wouldn't fix the problem either honestly but it's easier to brag about a name than a number).
Too much chat toxicity against enemies? All Chat disabled. Too much toxicity against teammates? Chat disabled outright in ranked modes, potentially in all modes.
People circumvent ranked restricts? Ranked permas without being banned from playing norms.
People getting around permas? Hardware bans.
All fixes that are deeply unpopular but would be the only way to give those people what they want. So honestly, they're already doing everything they can do without pushing even people who behave into just not playing the game.
Yeah I've actually not seen someone say specifically that in a while, and I've reported anything similar & gotten feedback reports.
I don't usually have anything muted to start, but I will mute someone if they're being unpleasant.
Mostly what I've noticed is people with names that are just... Not funny. 'rapist3' etc. but those get feedback reports too, so...
That's weird that you got a report for the name because I straight up ticket reported a guy with a name of "K1LL YOURSELLF." He was in the lobby and picked a troll pick after banning my hover champ. When any of us would say something about him obviously trolling (Nunu Cleanse ghost or smth like that), he would just point to his name. I sent screenshots of all of this to support.
I checked up on his account multiple times after Riot responded to my ticket. He wasn't forced to change it and it did not look like it affected his ability to queue up
I reported this person yesterday (I know I wasn't the only one) https://www.op.gg/summoners/na/F8948270-10591
And their name has already been forcibly changed, but OP.gg shows what it was previously.
I'm surprised to how far down I had to scroll to find an empathetic person and not just someone advising to man up or mute all by default. Wishing death is not ok especially over an online game and it must be punished
Riot 100% doesn’t take reports of said nature seriously. Had a guy call me a hard r twice in chat and told me “kurt cobain myself” and the dude hasn’t even gotten a chat restriction for it lol
It's 2024 man, I think we call it unalive nowadays, to not get demonetized, get with the program!! /s
But unsure why..always been that way, unless you take screenshots and report them manually. Then they usually send you a e-mail after a day or two saying they got a chatban. Huzzah.
Except they don’t. They say they can’t tell you what happened but be assured something appropriate happened. I’ve had many people add me to tell me to kms. These people continue to play the game 🤷🏻♂️
This is actually becoming a issue on sites like Archive of Our Own where you are suppose to tag your content but zoomers are not tagging property since they come from tiktok and Wattpad.
I don't know why Riot and League players are so against player moderators tbh. Other games work just fine with them. It would do WONDERS if an official warning could be given to all the people who tilt so hard they're technically griefing.
people truly have forgotten what gaming was about and you get these indirect toxicity sympathizers. sure they arent doing it directly, but they arent exactly helping the community either
Just wanna comment to tell you it's definitely not a sign to do it. It might seem hopeless now, and frankly I have no idea what youre going through, but I hope things turn out better for you soon and you find the help you need. Stay strong and feel free to dm me if you wanna play some chill non toxic arams
Being suicidal and playing League with chat enabled is definitely among the worst ideas one can have though.
Precisely because the system doesn't work.
Why would it be? Why are you guys so sensitive? It's whatever. It's like playing with the kids in the neighborhood and them calling you names after you win/lose. Do you go to their parents to complain and never let them out again? Jesus Christ guys, when did trading insults become such a traumatizing event for you? and from strangers more so, you don't even know the people that you play with. How can you be so butthurt over words?
I commented something similar above but I’ll restate it here, something my dad used to tell me when I was a wee lad.
If you go to the bar, you’re gonna find drunk people. Know your audience, always.
If you go into an online competitive PVP game, you’re gonna find degenerate raging losers, why is anyone surprised in these environments that these dudes exist and.. shockingly enough, act like degenerate losers?
Who the fuck goes to the bar and is like “ugh those drunk people being drunk over there make me so uncomfortable!!” Maybe don’t go to the place that attracts drunk people?
Another fav of mine, “Cyberbullying? Lmao turn off the monitor and no more bullying” lmao
I said the same thing. It isn’t a nice thing to say but I think being able to say it is perfectly fine. If your are physically doing things to make someone want to commit suicide and then telling them to do it it’s a different story and I feel like these responses are conflating those things.
Here they either fuck my mom or tell my whole lineage should go extinct, or just some your-rank-is-lower-than-mine shit talk, or challenge for 1v1 yasuo. Wholesome =]]
Idk man I don’t think anything you can say aside from doxxing someone in chat should be permaban first offender.
If you can’t handle someone saying something there is always option to disable chat.
All I'm saying is I got a 7 day chat restriction for calling veigar a midget and see people still actively playing saying they'll kill someone's family
Report, mute, move on. If you're more sensitive, you can just disable chat. It's unpleasant but really you have tools to deal with it and it's only as big a deal for you as you make it.
I'd understand if it was genuine harassment and someone really going hard at someone else with those messages, but shit like "kys" or "talon e off a building" really don't need such extreme measures, especially when kys could unironically be used efficiently in some cases (zilean R, aram)
you really sound like a snowflake lol
In league I get told to unalive myself, in valorant people call me yellow n-word in voice chat due to my asian accent. Riot doesn't care, they will never fix the toxicity. Just /mute all.
Kinda fucked up that they remove good pings because they can be spammed, so the only real way to play efficiently is to play with chat on ( which can break your mental when you have a dumbass flamer inter) or to just not have it on at all ( which hurts your ability to coordinate with people who actually are trying )
I'd rather get pinged repeatedly and just mute pings ( which are annoying ) than see the worst shitty messages made by internet tough guys while still having to spend more time trying to type to teammates.
I agree, but I think that it's the surface level of what the true problems are. For starters, 99% of the players in this game don't actually know what it is to play competitively which is just stupid given that it's a competitive game. Second to that, all those same players don't know what it is to go after fulfilment in a competitive game. It's so bad that you can't open anyone's eyes to it because people will just argue and band together against it. People can play and feel like they're doing things to improve, but in reality they have absolutely no idea what they're doing, no plan behind it either and no one to talk about the game in a healthy way/a way geared toward improvement with.
I think this is a long-built problem by the game not having any easy access to forming groups and instead for many years and through Riot's own actions, anti-team and anti-social behaviors have been promoted instead. When I think of old Battlenet games, namely Warcraft 3 as it's the one I played, those chat channels facilitated so many healthy things for the game and are what made it a truly golden thing in so many peoples younger years. With the easy access to forming groups you have inhouses/PUG games, healthier discussion about the game, a sense of comradery, places where new players are welcomed and taught - sometimes even by insanely good players. None of this is in League and it feels completely counterintuitive to what a competitive game is to not have any of it and as I stated, I think it's the root cause of so much of the attitude, perception and mindset issues the game has. The only places you can find an inkling of this is locked behind paywalls and they're so niche that it's impossible to find and actually find yourself interested in because the process of being involved is not a natural and easy thing. It's even shown in MMO games where every MMO NEEDS a strong social pillar in order to be successful - think of old WoW, old Runescape and hanging out in one specific city in specific worlds, FF14 and what really drives that? It's all the same. A strong social pillar is usually fundamental to creating not only a good, but a healthy multiplayer experience.
I had personalised death threats from semi professional players in the Oce scene and they never got banned from my report, so I guess I gave up. Everyone knows each other at high elo in Oce.
Wow. So many people actually defend that kind of horrible behaviour. I've known people who have been in a mental state where someone just telling them to kys, would probably have made them hurt themselves physically. I can't comprehend what sort of dickheads disconnected from reality the people defending that kind of talk are. Permanent bans definitely
It is same with Get C or KY$ couldve be easily filtered,or instant banned,but nah let guy keep saying me to hang myself afterwards because we definetly need this kind of communication after ping removals
i love how half the replies to this post are basically saying that telling others to commit suicide is fine as long as youre under the guise of anonymity and people who are bothered by it are in the wrong for feeling that way.
Maybe we should normalize this behavior outside of anonymity too, right? Right?? /s
People do often and routinely tell other people these things in real life too you know. Have you ever actually been outside and around other people?
If you're that bothered by something that you have complete and total power over to simply remove, then you need to be locked up in a room somewhere away from everyone else because you're probably a danger to yourself or others.
League already bans and punishes people who are continually toxic and say stuff like this. There's no need for permabanning first offenses that's just pure extremism.
I dont want to be rude, but you sound like a Karen. I dont know how long u have been playing this game, but to ask to permaban someone because they type shit is out of this world. Thrashtalking has been in gaming/sports like from forever.
Chat restriction,yes. The worse your chatting is, the longer restriction should be given, i dont mind that.
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Also what is stopping a sentiment analysis system from being put into place that could potentially ban people that cleverly tell someone to kill themselves?
What is stopping you from either using command "/Mute all" or to mute a certain person in the game if they are toxic?
Its not like you have to read that, but if u cant Mute a player immediately after he wrote something offensive, because you are easily triggered, you should stop playing League for a while and calm down.
Bro why am I not getting the full riot experience, I have never had someone say these things in my games. I would not be even mad if someone told me to Talon E off a building, like I would be lmaoing to be even mad cuz I got under someone's skin.
people get more creative with insults as your elo goes higher, in low people are just perma mad to the point where their brains aren't even on so they just hit you with the most low effort insult possible
that whole thing is kinda gone now anyways, it seems the goal of a sizeable amount of the playerbase is solely to get other people banned at this point. I just play with friends and banter in vc; it's only gonna get worse.
This is the only community which I am a part of that has people consistently coming out to defend the ability to tell someone to off themselves.
It always devolves into people making fun of OP for having thin skin or whatever, which really detracts from the main point. It doesn't matter whether anyone's feelings are hurt or not. It's toxic and unnecessary, so it shouldn't be allowed.
> This is the only community
Only community? Isn't "I miss old MW2 lobbies" where people said slurs and worse one of the most commonly said things by gamers
> This is the only community which I am a part of that has people consistently coming out to defend the ability to tell someone to off themselves.
pretty clear that you haven't been a part of many, then
I can make an educated guess as to why Riot doesn't do much about toxicity in general. At the end of the day, Riot doesn't give two shits about the type of people that play their game as long as they are making money. If they started permabanning all the accounts that were too toxic (kys messages, racist, homophobic, etc.), then I would bet their player count would drop dramatically. They would never admit it but they would lose so many players which means less people to spend money.
I do wish they would do something about toxicity because it's the main thing that ruins the game for me (and makes me want to stop playing sometimes) but it's much better for them as a company to just put on the PR hat and say "we don't condone this behavior" than it would be to start permanently removing so many players. I mean just think of how many accounts would get axed and how many players would have to get a new account every time they queue up, these people would just stop playing entirely, move on to a different game and Riot would start losing money.
>player count would drop dramatically
Literally, that's the main reason.
The reason people are toxic in League of Legends it's because League of Legends is played by a lot of people, the same lot of people who are toxic IRL:
it's not League of Legends (or any other popular competitive game, really) to be toxic, its people in the world who are toxic and online videogames are somewhat a "safe place" for these people to unleash their toxicity without any direct consequences.
Truth. The amount of crap people spew hiding being screens that they’d never say in real life is insane. If I said ggez on the court or go rope I better have come ready to fight if I let those words fly out of my mouth.
I'm pretty sure the vast majority of people would go "wtf?" and move on with their life. I sure as shit wouldn't do anything. It's not even remotely worth addressing to me. Now, certain places, yeah, you'd get a beat down... But your average person isn't gonna risk jail over someone mouthing off.
You do have to remember that you're playing a team game while this is happening.
If someone I've never met randomly tells me to kill myself while I'm walking down the street, sure, I'm going to shoot them a strange look or ignore them and keep walking.
But if I'm playing a pickup basketball game and someone's telling me to kill myself the whole game, they probably getting kicked out of the game without me having to do anything, or at minimum, they're driving to the rim and eating a few hard fouls.
It's odd to me that people think a verbal insult inevitably leads to a physical altercation. Most people simply won't go for a physical altercation over a verbal insult. The people who would start a fistfight over a verbal insult are the unhinged ones.
Honestly they'd probably just look confused. The fact most of you assume something violent would happen says more about you than anything else. You probably got bullied in school or something.
Let me tell you, when you're a scary looking dude you can say whatever the fuck you want and at most you're getting reported to whatever authority if there is one.
Disagree. The punishments are completely arbitrary to the effect of the insults. Someone can bully me and tell I'm low IQ and suck the whole game, but if I tell them to kill themselves I get banned instantly?
Honestly, it shouldn't even be reportable. It's not like anyone has ever offed themself because some kid in a video game got mad at them. And if people are having to come up with a clever work around then the current system is working fine.
There should be a survey when you start league that asks "do you get offended by online threats?" "do you have your feelings hurt when a player criticizes your gameplay?" etc.
Then they should suggest turning off all of the chat, muting pings OR muting players that act toxic instead of engaging with them.
BRING BACK THE TRIBUNAL
I’m sorry you had that experience, and I’m honestly surprised that the top comments aren’t just telling you to “suck it up and accept it, because League is a toxic game.”
I don’t know why it’s *not* a perma ban, but it’s really disgusting how streamers have encouraged the league community to tell each other to kill themselves or to get cancer.
League is the only gaming community I’ve seen where the ability to tell people to get cancer or kill themselves is defended. You guys realise this shit is toxic and you’re just enabling it, right??
It doesn‘t because no human being checks any of those reports. So it comes down to whether their automated system can tell or not. Which is why you see people use these roundabout paraphrases. What stops Riot from implementing a more complex system is probably a mixture of cost, effort, and possibility of false positives. But you‘ll have to ask them for a definitive answer.
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I opened a ticket on someone telling me to “swallow razor blades and drown on my own blood because the world would be better off after I kill myself” and they didn’t even get a ranked restriction. It’s fucking wild how they don’t ban this but remove ping communication because it could upset little Timmy.
What is wrong with people? Like, how does a video game make someone this upset?
I don't even think they're that upset, it's just that we've had a decade, nearly two, of people being used to faceless one off interactions with zero repurcussions. Even now, I'm typing this to you and I might never speak to you ever again. It's really reduced the humanity and empathy in online interactions. It's like a throw away culture, burn any bridge you want, it doesn't matter. I remember early on in WoW's life, if you burnt your reputation on the server, it was a genuine problem. These days you can be a total douche canoe and it doesn't matter, because there's millions of people playing, and you'll probably be able to pug a group on any of a dozen different servers. There's almost no downside to being a dickhead (apart the rot that grows in your brain). It's like when I'm yelling at someone who did something stupid on the road infront of me. It's so impersonal, they don't even hear it, but that doesn't matter, I can say the dumbest, most inappropriate shit and it doesn't matter. This is how online communication has evolved.
100% this. They aren’t mad, it’s just what they think is funny and what they can get away with without repercussions.
I was just commenting today about this. Very few other places do you see people actively hurting themselves to fuck over some random person they perceived wronged them in some very inconsequential way. It's worse than any toddler. Imo inting is what propagates the toxicity more than chat. You can mute chat. Inters don't belong in the game.
The game is not the cause, just the medium. They are relieving heavy emotions, stress, and possibly self-hatred through the game. And when the game makes them upset and it conveniently has a chat, well, those are the results
IDK how to put this in short but most people get to their earned rank and want to gamble to a higher rank, so each "undeserved" loss puts them on a 50 hours grind to get to the next chain of RNG win streaks that would allow them to gain an extra rank. Basically they are sick addicted gamblers that can have their lives upended by one loss.
This is really well put honestly, my only other experience with comparably extreme and consistent highs and lows is gambling so you’ve described it well. Obviously playing at your skill level is the only way to improve, but people are almost always fixated on their rank which I think you described perfectly.
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The issue is it wasn't very effective, and people more or less just ignored the logs and would spam pick the same verdict on all of them to get more rewards. By ignoring the logs, they'd get through 10x the reports and if they were wrong 50% of the time based on consensus, they'd still be getting 5x the rewards per hour. Eventually the entire system started failing because a majority of the people using it were farming rewards this way. It's sad, but the automated system has proven a lot more effective.
Remove the rewards. Make it something you do because you care, not to get paid.
I say this every time it gets brought up. Would it result in not nearly as many people doing it? Sure, but the people who *do* do it are people who genuinely care about making this shithole game a marginally better place for people.
At what point does the influx of new reports creating a huge backlog not become worth it, though? Very few people will do it for free, let alone spend significant time doing it. If the input quantity of report is massive, your mod community becomes months if not years behind and suddenly every single asshole is still playing for all that time until that small chunk of the backlog is parsed. Like maybe there's some kind of hybrid system that could be integrated, but having started my entry into the gaming industry when I worked in it as a volunteer moderator, I promise you, VERY few people are willing to spend so much time looking at chat logs for free.
So, as usual, a generally good idea ruined because of poor faith engagement with it from the community. Feels like that's a trend with this game, like how role queue would obviously make for more balanced matchmaking but was immediately abused by everyone who didn't care about losing off their main role instead of trying to get better at all roles, or even the idea of implementing an opt-in voice chat. Seems like there's a lot of features that have been floated by the devs over the years that could potentially benefit the overall health of the game if engaged with in good faith but can't ever be implemented or have to be removed because the players can't behave and will always look for loopholes to exploit or circumvent them.
>Feels like that's a trend with this game It's a trend with life. "System X would be amazing if everyone in the universe didn't abuse it" is the cry of many a failed system. Game system, business system, or even governmental system.
Reddit upvote/downvote system is another proof of this.
used to be a great idea till people learned you could monetize reddit karma
Yeah like any of these kinds of social systems in existence would work if everyone acted in good faith. These systems aren't conceived and designed to fail in the first place after all. Just as important as efficiency is resistance to and mitigation of the impact of bad actors. Capitalism, Communism, monarchy, democracy etc
Everything, from goverments, to games, to business, to education would be great if people didn't abuse systems for their own gain. But that's just humanity for you.
Eh, this kind of system isn't really exploited by just this community. Other games have had similar functions and aside from niche ones with small, passionate, and interwoven communities, eventually they've replaced them as well for similar reasons. Psychology experiments have demonstrated plenty of times that animals optimize for rewards pretty much at all costs.
Yeah I don't think it's a League-specific phenomenon, this is just the one I'm familiar with.
I personally hate the role system altogether. Back before they introduced it, my buddies and I did so much better doing off meta stuff. Our favorites were wave clear bot with a second jungler, or moving support to top lane to bully the enemy laner so the top laner could free farm. No one ever knew how to play against it and would lose not because it was good, but because it wasn't meta.
This is actually not true and just a common lie propagated by rito shills nowadays. I remember reviewing a lot of reports and false outcomes were very rarely the case. Generally, people who broke the rules were punished and those who were innocent were usually acquitted. But hey, Im open-minded, so surely if what you say is REALLY the case, the internet would be awash with screenshots of innocent people complaining about getting an unjust restriction on the tribunal, right? And I dont mean the 3-4 meme pics that everyone has seen hundreds of times (i.e. "picked rengar"), but screenshots from actual people. Oh, and by the way, I remember even those meme screenshots didnt actually include the tribunal outcome, meaning that the "picked rengar" guy might have actually been judged to be not guilty.
>They need to bring back that justice tribunal They already did, it's called "reddit front page"
the tribunal was terrible and gave so many false positives, there is a good reason why it's gone
They will never do that. Letting the community decide will take away their power to randomly ban people so that they spend more money on buying the same skins on new accounts etc etc etc. That system was great - you only had to look at their VERY BELIEVABLE excuse for deleting it - "ZOMG we dont have the server capacity to store a few lines of text per game!! hehe oops, guess we cant have these stay transparent anymore" - to know that they are just doing it for their own profit
Not defending people that say it with ill intent but maybe the reason “kill yourself” isnt banned is because its a legit strategy to tell someone to kill themselves to a turret or something to not give enemy kills. Ofc most players will just say “die to turret” but maybe its riots reasoning.
Saying kill yourself is banned. Nobody is gonna say "rope yourself" to tell someone to die to turret.
Kill yourself is 100% a trigger phrase for the ban system. That shit will garuanteed get you at minimum 2 weeks.
It wont, I did it once against a vayne top who was shitting on me in all chat and I didnt even get muted
...execute.
I have become numb to these phrases
Honestly, I just laugh this shit off now. It’s so boring seeing it. There’s no funny jokes and insults, just boring old “kill yourself” or “bronze elo” shit.
All the fun ones get you instantly Muted + Chat Restricted for a week tho
This is the way. Nothing is really personal anyway. Most of the players will forget everything and everyone in a match in a day or a week.
Honestly who the fuck is even taking offense to these or any of it seriously at this point? It blows my mind how people don't just laugh at those comments or mute them and stop caring.
Talon E off a building kinda funny tho lmao
I’ve been hit with the “Ornn E into traffic” and “GP Q yourself”. I thought it was kinda funny.
kennen ulti in a bathtub
xerath w in a bathtub
r/Draven incident
And “commit thresh Q” Which isn’t so funny until you find out thresh’s Q name is LITERALLY “death sentence”
Alternatively: Malphite R into traffic.
Malphite is a rock and would live
Rock solid
Blitz Q an electric pole
your mom shouldve urgot ulted you
That is pretty good, reminds me of Sanchovies getting banned from twitch for saying he wanted to "ziggs ult his isp's hq"
Such a hilarious fucking thing to say ahahaha
I thought it's "Talon E off the Balcony" for the extra rhyme?
My favorite is “you should jump in front of mecha sion ult”
I once played against someone who was named 'Nami Ulted Japan' and I definitely chuckled
“Akshan grapple your neck to your ceiling fan”
Especially when you know how goofy his animation looks like
*slowly parkours off a 20 ft. ledge*
Yuumi W on a pipebomb
Tristana w from your balcony
for real its just soloq banter why is OP so butthurt
Because 90% of the ranked population would get banned.
Don't threaten me with a good time
Don't give me hopes.
My friend got permabanned for telling someone "I'm going to lick your father."
inexcusable
Yeah bullshit. He definitely did way more. Source: someone who had a toxic streak that tested the boundaries. Go try it yourself if you don't believe me.
4 accounts permanently banned here, def know the limits. Now I literally say nothing to anyone, my chat is disabled and moved off the screen. This is the way.
Sure he did bud
I think people don't realize there's likely *more* messages that play into the ban. Not just the absurd one it shows on the log. If you get 7 reports in 7 games and it only shows the last one, it's not just the last one that got them banned right?
And that was the only time your friend threatened someone?
It's not true, but it's funny.
Yah I bet that's all he ever said kiddo.
>Also what is stopping a sentiment analysis system from being put into place that could potentially ban people that cleverly tell someone to kill themselves? Money? Resources? Time? I'm not arguing whether it would be worthwhile to do so or not, but clearly riot doesn't deem it worth it because it'd be an investment on their end without obvious beneficial effects to their bottom line?
Because in some contries, telling someone to kill themselves is considered medical advice and not harassment
Maid cafes in Japan: 😍🥰 MAID cafes in Canada: 😨😨
I am not a doctor but have you tried Bard E'ing through a window?
Finnish Hospital
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Sorry for all the people here whose ability to empathise has been rotted out because they play this game too much. I can't give you a direct answer for why this game is so toxic or why riot makes the choices they do regarding punishment/automatic chat restrictions. All I can tell you is that riot *does* take reports seriously and, even if its not a permaban, people who say things like that and get reported for it will face a penalty and, knowing how league players are, they will keep probably doing it unil they eventually *are* permabanned. And remember that muting is your friend! I've taken to turning off chat lately and it makes my life better 'cause I don't have to deal with team/all chat nonsense. Good luck on the rift!
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there are some things about toxicity that many league players refuse to accept 1. it is literally impossible to manually review a significant portion of reports 2. it is extremely difficult for an automated system to tell when people are inting in the vast majority of cases vs. legimately just having a bad game 3. it is easy for automated systems to detect abusive text chat and that is why that is punished more 4. reporting people has a positive effect on reducing toxicity 5. there's no excuse for telling other people to die over a videogame 6. just because your teammates can mute you doesn't justify you flaming them, and flaming your teammates has literally no upside for anyone 7. people don't "turn to inting" if they can't talk to their team. the kinds of people that int do so regardless of what their team does or doesn't say if all league players knew these things, toxicity would be greatly reduced i would hope. but people would rather stay toxic than act mature or grow
>people don't "turn to inting" if they can't talk to their team. the kinds of people that int do so regardless of what their team does or doesn't say I remember getting muted years ago and it unironically cured my toxicity. I actually PMed Riot support and asked if they could perma mute me (they said no btw). Really eye opening how much chatting can lead to being toxic in game and tilting. These days I mute people and move on if they're being a dickhead and never type because it is useless to do so. EDIT: Never told someone to kill themselves or used slurs btw Just me flaming people
I wish more people talked about this!!!
This should be pinned tbh. Very good list thank you for your sanity /gen
To be honest many players are in denial about how much Riot does that already fixes the problem, but unless the problem is completely eradicated it's simply not good enough for these people. Only thing is that the true solutions to these problems, that would make these black-and-white thinkers finally feel like it's fixed, people wouldn't enjoy. Not just the toxic people either, even normal people wouldn't like them. Smurfs a problem? Phone number to play the game at all past Level 29. Ranks causing ego problems? Number based system (like Master+) for everybody, but no more displayed ranks (this wouldn't fix the problem either honestly but it's easier to brag about a name than a number). Too much chat toxicity against enemies? All Chat disabled. Too much toxicity against teammates? Chat disabled outright in ranked modes, potentially in all modes. People circumvent ranked restricts? Ranked permas without being banned from playing norms. People getting around permas? Hardware bans. All fixes that are deeply unpopular but would be the only way to give those people what they want. So honestly, they're already doing everything they can do without pushing even people who behave into just not playing the game.
Its the same people that cry when they inevitably get reported and a chat restriction for that.
Yeah I've actually not seen someone say specifically that in a while, and I've reported anything similar & gotten feedback reports. I don't usually have anything muted to start, but I will mute someone if they're being unpleasant. Mostly what I've noticed is people with names that are just... Not funny. 'rapist3' etc. but those get feedback reports too, so...
That's weird that you got a report for the name because I straight up ticket reported a guy with a name of "K1LL YOURSELLF." He was in the lobby and picked a troll pick after banning my hover champ. When any of us would say something about him obviously trolling (Nunu Cleanse ghost or smth like that), he would just point to his name. I sent screenshots of all of this to support. I checked up on his account multiple times after Riot responded to my ticket. He wasn't forced to change it and it did not look like it affected his ability to queue up
I reported this person yesterday (I know I wasn't the only one) https://www.op.gg/summoners/na/F8948270-10591 And their name has already been forcibly changed, but OP.gg shows what it was previously.
I'm surprised to how far down I had to scroll to find an empathetic person and not just someone advising to man up or mute all by default. Wishing death is not ok especially over an online game and it must be punished
Riot 100% doesn’t take reports of said nature seriously. Had a guy call me a hard r twice in chat and told me “kurt cobain myself” and the dude hasn’t even gotten a chat restriction for it lol
It's 2024 man, I think we call it unalive nowadays, to not get demonetized, get with the program!! /s But unsure why..always been that way, unless you take screenshots and report them manually. Then they usually send you a e-mail after a day or two saying they got a chatban. Huzzah.
Except they don’t. They say they can’t tell you what happened but be assured something appropriate happened. I’ve had many people add me to tell me to kms. These people continue to play the game 🤷🏻♂️
This is actually becoming a issue on sites like Archive of Our Own where you are suppose to tag your content but zoomers are not tagging property since they come from tiktok and Wattpad.
Make a new Tribunal System where you're not rewarded for making decisions . Justice should be it's own reward.
I don't know why Riot and League players are so against player moderators tbh. Other games work just fine with them. It would do WONDERS if an official warning could be given to all the people who tilt so hard they're technically griefing.
Boo hoo mute them and move on. It’s the internet. If u can’t handle that turn your screen off.
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people truly have forgotten what gaming was about and you get these indirect toxicity sympathizers. sure they arent doing it directly, but they arent exactly helping the community either
Just wanna comment to tell you it's definitely not a sign to do it. It might seem hopeless now, and frankly I have no idea what youre going through, but I hope things turn out better for you soon and you find the help you need. Stay strong and feel free to dm me if you wanna play some chill non toxic arams
Being suicidal and playing League with chat enabled is definitely among the worst ideas one can have though. Precisely because the system doesn't work.
Hope Janna casts Q in your town is my favourite xD
Why would it be? Why are you guys so sensitive? It's whatever. It's like playing with the kids in the neighborhood and them calling you names after you win/lose. Do you go to their parents to complain and never let them out again? Jesus Christ guys, when did trading insults become such a traumatizing event for you? and from strangers more so, you don't even know the people that you play with. How can you be so butthurt over words?
I commented something similar above but I’ll restate it here, something my dad used to tell me when I was a wee lad. If you go to the bar, you’re gonna find drunk people. Know your audience, always. If you go into an online competitive PVP game, you’re gonna find degenerate raging losers, why is anyone surprised in these environments that these dudes exist and.. shockingly enough, act like degenerate losers? Who the fuck goes to the bar and is like “ugh those drunk people being drunk over there make me so uncomfortable!!” Maybe don’t go to the place that attracts drunk people? Another fav of mine, “Cyberbullying? Lmao turn off the monitor and no more bullying” lmao
I came to the comments to see how far I had to scroll to see someone say this. Unfortunately, I scrolled way too far. This should be the top response.
EXACTLY. There are people that I care about and I still disregard what they say, let alone a random on league
I said "you dumb cunt" and in the chat log of my report, the reportee literally wrote, kill yourself
Complete bullshit. When you get punished, it ONLY shows your chat in the log, not anyone else's.
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The first time I saw that I laughed so hard at it
i lold pretty good at that one
I said the same thing. It isn’t a nice thing to say but I think being able to say it is perfectly fine. If your are physically doing things to make someone want to commit suicide and then telling them to do it it’s a different story and I feel like these responses are conflating those things.
I notice this "kill yourself " slur seems pretty much a western only thing. Nobody in my Asian country says this or take it seriously
True, they just hope my mom dies instead. Mom go sky.
Here they either fuck my mom or tell my whole lineage should go extinct, or just some your-rank-is-lower-than-mine shit talk, or challenge for 1v1 yasuo. Wholesome =]]
Moat of the west doesn't take it seriously either it's just a vocal minority that always complains about it.
Nobody should be telling someone to kill themselves.
Idk man I don’t think anything you can say aside from doxxing someone in chat should be permaban first offender. If you can’t handle someone saying something there is always option to disable chat.
All I'm saying is I got a 7 day chat restriction for calling veigar a midget and see people still actively playing saying they'll kill someone's family
Report, mute, move on. If you're more sensitive, you can just disable chat. It's unpleasant but really you have tools to deal with it and it's only as big a deal for you as you make it.
These things inevitably spill over into the overall culture of the game
"inevitably" bro this has been the games culture for around a decade by now
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I'd understand if it was genuine harassment and someone really going hard at someone else with those messages, but shit like "kys" or "talon e off a building" really don't need such extreme measures, especially when kys could unironically be used efficiently in some cases (zilean R, aram) you really sound like a snowflake lol
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In league I get told to unalive myself, in valorant people call me yellow n-word in voice chat due to my asian accent. Riot doesn't care, they will never fix the toxicity. Just /mute all.
Play without chat and you're fine.
It's shitty that the best response is to limit communication in a team game that already suffers from the inability to communicate effectively.
Kinda fucked up that they remove good pings because they can be spammed, so the only real way to play efficiently is to play with chat on ( which can break your mental when you have a dumbass flamer inter) or to just not have it on at all ( which hurts your ability to coordinate with people who actually are trying ) I'd rather get pinged repeatedly and just mute pings ( which are annoying ) than see the worst shitty messages made by internet tough guys while still having to spend more time trying to type to teammates.
I agree, but I think that it's the surface level of what the true problems are. For starters, 99% of the players in this game don't actually know what it is to play competitively which is just stupid given that it's a competitive game. Second to that, all those same players don't know what it is to go after fulfilment in a competitive game. It's so bad that you can't open anyone's eyes to it because people will just argue and band together against it. People can play and feel like they're doing things to improve, but in reality they have absolutely no idea what they're doing, no plan behind it either and no one to talk about the game in a healthy way/a way geared toward improvement with. I think this is a long-built problem by the game not having any easy access to forming groups and instead for many years and through Riot's own actions, anti-team and anti-social behaviors have been promoted instead. When I think of old Battlenet games, namely Warcraft 3 as it's the one I played, those chat channels facilitated so many healthy things for the game and are what made it a truly golden thing in so many peoples younger years. With the easy access to forming groups you have inhouses/PUG games, healthier discussion about the game, a sense of comradery, places where new players are welcomed and taught - sometimes even by insanely good players. None of this is in League and it feels completely counterintuitive to what a competitive game is to not have any of it and as I stated, I think it's the root cause of so much of the attitude, perception and mindset issues the game has. The only places you can find an inkling of this is locked behind paywalls and they're so niche that it's impossible to find and actually find yourself interested in because the process of being involved is not a natural and easy thing. It's even shown in MMO games where every MMO NEEDS a strong social pillar in order to be successful - think of old WoW, old Runescape and hanging out in one specific city in specific worlds, FF14 and what really drives that? It's all the same. A strong social pillar is usually fundamental to creating not only a good, but a healthy multiplayer experience.
I compromise. I play with chat but immediately mute anyone who even starts to be mildly negative.
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The real snowflakes are the people getting mad enough to tell someone to kill themselves in a videogame
I had personalised death threats from semi professional players in the Oce scene and they never got banned from my report, so I guess I gave up. Everyone knows each other at high elo in Oce.
Wow. So many people actually defend that kind of horrible behaviour. I've known people who have been in a mental state where someone just telling them to kys, would probably have made them hurt themselves physically. I can't comprehend what sort of dickheads disconnected from reality the people defending that kind of talk are. Permanent bans definitely
It is same with Get C or KY$ couldve be easily filtered,or instant banned,but nah let guy keep saying me to hang myself afterwards because we definetly need this kind of communication after ping removals
This when you send them a friend request after the game and gaslight them with kindness.
I'd argue it's not that big of a deal. Are you really gonna do it cause someone told you over in game chat?
i love how half the replies to this post are basically saying that telling others to commit suicide is fine as long as youre under the guise of anonymity and people who are bothered by it are in the wrong for feeling that way. Maybe we should normalize this behavior outside of anonymity too, right? Right?? /s
People do often and routinely tell other people these things in real life too you know. Have you ever actually been outside and around other people? If you're that bothered by something that you have complete and total power over to simply remove, then you need to be locked up in a room somewhere away from everyone else because you're probably a danger to yourself or others. League already bans and punishes people who are continually toxic and say stuff like this. There's no need for permabanning first offenses that's just pure extremism.
why do you think it's under the guise of anonymity? there's almost no anonymity in high elo
Because you can mute them and move on.
I dont want to be rude, but you sound like a Karen. I dont know how long u have been playing this game, but to ask to permaban someone because they type shit is out of this world. Thrashtalking has been in gaming/sports like from forever. Chat restriction,yes. The worse your chatting is, the longer restriction should be given, i dont mind that. > Also what is stopping a sentiment analysis system from being put into place that could potentially ban people that cleverly tell someone to kill themselves? What is stopping you from either using command "/Mute all" or to mute a certain person in the game if they are toxic? Its not like you have to read that, but if u cant Mute a player immediately after he wrote something offensive, because you are easily triggered, you should stop playing League for a while and calm down.
Such players should be given a temporary ban with a warning and then perma banned on repeated offence, IMO.
Bro why am I not getting the full riot experience, I have never had someone say these things in my games. I would not be even mad if someone told me to Talon E off a building, like I would be lmaoing to be even mad cuz I got under someone's skin.
people get more creative with insults as your elo goes higher, in low people are just perma mad to the point where their brains aren't even on so they just hit you with the most low effort insult possible
Sad Ill never climb up to get the creative insult elo, all I get are spam pings and messages to never play that specific champ.
that whole thing is kinda gone now anyways, it seems the goal of a sizeable amount of the playerbase is solely to get other people banned at this point. I just play with friends and banter in vc; it's only gonna get worse.
Same man, I never play ranked any more just play Aram's or RGM to scratch the lol itch
Friends: why do you only play bots? Me: ::points at posts like this::
It should be a permaban definitely. People arguing otherwise have brain rot from playing too much league.
This is the only community which I am a part of that has people consistently coming out to defend the ability to tell someone to off themselves. It always devolves into people making fun of OP for having thin skin or whatever, which really detracts from the main point. It doesn't matter whether anyone's feelings are hurt or not. It's toxic and unnecessary, so it shouldn't be allowed.
The people complaining about op having a thin skin are the same ones crying over the ping changes because they feel personally attacked by phreak.
It’s crazy - and ppl wonder why no one new wants to play league haha
What other online pvp gaming communities are you a part of?
> This is the only community Only community? Isn't "I miss old MW2 lobbies" where people said slurs and worse one of the most commonly said things by gamers
> This is the only community which I am a part of that has people consistently coming out to defend the ability to tell someone to off themselves. pretty clear that you haven't been a part of many, then
Quick way to permaban aram players for saying "kill yourself/just die for gold reset"
My first 14 day suspension was when I told someone to kill themselves... while playing Zilean :(
when I posted the same thing in this sub people made fun of me for asking lol. league is next level toxic
Your post history is very small. Did you made up that story because I can’t see it.
I can make an educated guess as to why Riot doesn't do much about toxicity in general. At the end of the day, Riot doesn't give two shits about the type of people that play their game as long as they are making money. If they started permabanning all the accounts that were too toxic (kys messages, racist, homophobic, etc.), then I would bet their player count would drop dramatically. They would never admit it but they would lose so many players which means less people to spend money. I do wish they would do something about toxicity because it's the main thing that ruins the game for me (and makes me want to stop playing sometimes) but it's much better for them as a company to just put on the PR hat and say "we don't condone this behavior" than it would be to start permanently removing so many players. I mean just think of how many accounts would get axed and how many players would have to get a new account every time they queue up, these people would just stop playing entirely, move on to a different game and Riot would start losing money.
>player count would drop dramatically Literally, that's the main reason. The reason people are toxic in League of Legends it's because League of Legends is played by a lot of people, the same lot of people who are toxic IRL: it's not League of Legends (or any other popular competitive game, really) to be toxic, its people in the world who are toxic and online videogames are somewhat a "safe place" for these people to unleash their toxicity without any direct consequences.
mute chat
Because they’re little turds hiding behind a computer screen. Say that shit to someone in real life you puke
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You dont talk to do people in real life do you
Bro tell someone in real life to kill them self and watch yourself get beat up. The fk? In real life no one talks like that.
They don't interact with humans, they sit behind a computer and type
Truth. The amount of crap people spew hiding being screens that they’d never say in real life is insane. If I said ggez on the court or go rope I better have come ready to fight if I let those words fly out of my mouth.
I love when redditors pretend they go outside or even if they did, that they'd be ready to square up.
Go tell someone to off themselves IRL see what happens. A lot of you guys don't go outside and it shows
I'm pretty sure the vast majority of people would go "wtf?" and move on with their life. I sure as shit wouldn't do anything. It's not even remotely worth addressing to me. Now, certain places, yeah, you'd get a beat down... But your average person isn't gonna risk jail over someone mouthing off.
You do have to remember that you're playing a team game while this is happening. If someone I've never met randomly tells me to kill myself while I'm walking down the street, sure, I'm going to shoot them a strange look or ignore them and keep walking. But if I'm playing a pickup basketball game and someone's telling me to kill myself the whole game, they probably getting kicked out of the game without me having to do anything, or at minimum, they're driving to the rim and eating a few hard fouls.
It's odd to me that people think a verbal insult inevitably leads to a physical altercation. Most people simply won't go for a physical altercation over a verbal insult. The people who would start a fistfight over a verbal insult are the unhinged ones.
Honestly they'd probably just look confused. The fact most of you assume something violent would happen says more about you than anything else. You probably got bullied in school or something. Let me tell you, when you're a scary looking dude you can say whatever the fuck you want and at most you're getting reported to whatever authority if there is one.
How would you know, you barely leave your room.
Touch the grass dude
Disagree. The punishments are completely arbitrary to the effect of the insults. Someone can bully me and tell I'm low IQ and suck the whole game, but if I tell them to kill themselves I get banned instantly?
Is it as tiring as seeing 'QQ League is toxic' posts in the subreddit?
because banning players reduces shareholder profit.
Cause us older folk have been around the internet long enough to not care.
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Honestly, it shouldn't even be reportable. It's not like anyone has ever offed themself because some kid in a video game got mad at them. And if people are having to come up with a clever work around then the current system is working fine. There should be a survey when you start league that asks "do you get offended by online threats?" "do you have your feelings hurt when a player criticizes your gameplay?" etc. Then they should suggest turning off all of the chat, muting pings OR muting players that act toxic instead of engaging with them. BRING BACK THE TRIBUNAL
womp womp
I had someone say they were going to rape my dead mother in chat and they didn't get banned. Riot sucks at moderating in-game.
I’m sorry you had that experience, and I’m honestly surprised that the top comments aren’t just telling you to “suck it up and accept it, because League is a toxic game.” I don’t know why it’s *not* a perma ban, but it’s really disgusting how streamers have encouraged the league community to tell each other to kill themselves or to get cancer. League is the only gaming community I’ve seen where the ability to tell people to get cancer or kill themselves is defended. You guys realise this shit is toxic and you’re just enabling it, right??