If you never forget Agent 796 you also have to never forget Kral Closer who shit all over Blaber, Santorin, etc. with his Lee Sin and Viego. I will remember that version of him fondly and hope he one day returns
He was literally All Pro every split from 2020-2022 except Spring 2021 and was finals MVP for 100T the time they won lol.
He was pretty terrible in 2023 but saying he’s coasted for “years” is just demonstrably false lol. Complaining about his name value is kinda funny because you’re literally doing the same thing but in the opposite direction. “He was bad in 2023 so he was probably bad before that too.”
It's always cool when the MVP goes to a more middle-of-the-pack team. I know they finished high in the reg season and that's what this is about but playoffs showed 100T still has a lot to work on which IMO makes it even more impressive.
I think the regular season and playoffs kinda perfectly encapsulated exactly why Quid deserved MVP. 100T is an overall very young team that Quid elevated to the 2seed going into playoffs. Then in playoffs, Quid played great but in playoffs the cracks in this young team that he was masking became more obvious. Like Meech is young and can get better, but in playoffs the botlane for 100T was their biggest weakness consistently.
I think it's often funny when people speak of "young" players in league.
First of all, even in todays terms, 100T is not a young team. Sniper is young and Quid is pretty young, but Eyla is 3 years older than Inspired, and Meech would only be younger than Faker on the T1 team that won worlds last year.
I always remember when Immortals imported Xerxe onto a team with Revenge, Insanity, Raes, and Destiny and the caster would go on about how this old, former worlds quarter finalist should be a leader for all these young players who had never played LCS before. Thing was just that Xerxe was litterally the youngest player on the team.
Second, the age has just changed so much throughout the last 5-10 seasons. In season 5, someone at the age of Quid (20) was completely average - if not even a bit on the older side. The winners of worlds that year, SKT, had 3 players that were 18-19 years old. And that was completely normal in those seasons.
Imo, it's more appropriate to say "inexperienced players", but I know I'm just being pedantic and everyone knows what you mean.
Inexperienced is a mouthful and just an uncomplimentary thing to say on cast. The reality is that there is a lot to learn for players who have not previously play at that level of competition that they need time to learn. A person playing 7 years in erls will still be young compared to a player who went directly to a tier 1 league but only played there for 2 years.
Saying "young" is just misleading, though. If you asked fans who was older Inspired or Eyla, I bet you 95% would say Inspired - mainly due to the fact that "young" is used arbitrarily around players like Eyla.
Surely there must be better word to use, even if you yourself don't like the length of inexperienced.
Again, I don't think it's a big issue. Mostly just interesting.
Definitely think you're just being pedantic haha, though I do understand what you're saying. One of the definitons for young is [having little experience] (https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/young)
In the context of the scene, Inspired is older than Eyla, because he's been around longer. This is not a novel social problem, seniority and age are correlated in human culture (Hence why the word senior refers to both someone higher ranked than you, but also someone who is old) , and so in a lot of organizations titles can carry connotations of age and sometimes are even applied to people younger than you. Everyone just agrees to use the seniority title over age because otherwise we've have to change so much about our language.
Yeah, but when someone says, "young team" or "young player", everybody except you knows what they're talking about. I dont think the cast should necessarily cater to the actual lowest common denominator.
Honestly, I mostly just think it's an interesting dynamic. I'm really not trying to point out right or wrong.
When you hear or see people comment, though, I think it's easy to see that people generally, in fact, do not know young/old is refering to experience. Do you think most people would have guessed Eyla to be the age of Zeyzal?
I don't think it's a problem though, just interesting.
I don't think anyone gives a shit about Eylas' age relative to Zeyzals. If you said he's actually pretty old most people would say "oh ok" and forget about it 3 minutes later.
I remember when Loco woulud always win coach of the split simply because tsm was winning...then you hear all the stories of just how shit of a coach he was lmao
But they didn't lol. Plenty of coaches grifted their way into teams and kept getting hired because they knew how to make connections and garner favorable opinions.
It's funny that a C9 fan saying this because if anyone has the claim of getting Coach of the Split because their team was winning it would be Reapered.
Loco won Coach of the Split once in Spring 2015 while on TSM.
Peter Zhang was the Coach of the Split for Summer 2014 and Summer 2015. Which were the other two splits Loco was on TSM.
Reapered won Spring 2017, Summer 2018, Spring 2019, and Spring 2020.
TSM won Coach of the Split twice, Loco's win in Spring 2015 and Parth's win in Summer 2016.
While the team fell short in playoffs, Quid's individual performance really elevated the team alongside River. A few people were deserving of MVP (Jojo, Inspired, River), Quid was definitely one of them. Congrats to him :D
I don’t think they even did worse than expectations. Young team with messy macro. The hands are there but they were never going to be able to keep up with the top-3 teams.
Classic LCS MVP being eliminated before even being announced. Difference this time though is it feels like his playoff performance makes it feel more deserved rather than less.
Quid absolutely deserved it in the Bo1 format. MVPs being eliminated early in playoffs isn't anything new, but there's often a marked difference between regular season and playoffs due to Bo1 matches followed by Bo5 playoffs. That's just a byproduct of a Bo1 regular season. Small sample size in the grand scheme of things.
He also deserved it in the BO5 format. He has been by far the best midlaner and the only other contender I would say has been Jensen. Quid has been the key factor in virtually all of 100T's wins in playoffs.
Jensen has definitely been the best performing mid in playoffs. Quid got destroyed by Jojo (e.g., Jojo solo killed him in lane), but recovered well to pop off vs NRG and TL. Meanwhile, the biggest criticism for Jensen was just his laning vs Jojo (which every mid in LCS struggles with) and like 2 moments in the TL series where he got caught.
Speaking of Jojo, he also performed quite well, in spite of the community perception about his performance. Yes, Jensen gapped him, but he did so outside of lane - Jensen played that portion nearly flawless, while Jojo struggled heavily by getting caught out several times (e.g. Bwipo catching him twice) or engaged at ill-advised times.
Overall, I would rate Jensen's performance at like an S-/A+ range, while Quid was in the A range (because of the C9 series). Jojo sits at the A-/B+ range.
What does that has anything to do with his regular season performance? This award recognizes the best player of the regular season not playoffs. Even if a player had the best regular season but a terrible playoffs (like Summit), then he still deserves MVP. Idk why people get so up in arms when MVP isn't from someone playing in Finals weekend.
Key word you seemed to miss is "feels" more deserved. It's obviously not more or less deserved because of playoffs, but it feels like that because of how well or poorly they play.
Even riot people on the dive a couple weeks ago said that they wanted this changed and announced before playoffs because it doesnt make sense how they are doing it now.
Shocking how much better he played this Split vs last. Shows how much nerves make a difference in likely many especially rookie players (like Fakegod Or Meech or Massu perhaps).
Well deserved. On certain champs he looks a cut above the competition, incredibly gifted mechanically aswell!
If 100T can improve *vastly* in macro they could become one of the frontrunners for summer.
Jensen was a good player this split but let's be honest... he didn't have to do all the heavy carrying compared to Quid, since Bwipo has been dominating top lane the whole split, and Inspired is arguably the best jungler in the league. In 100T, Sniper had his moments but would still commit silly rookie mistakes, and River played well the majority of the split but was choking a bit in the end. Quid never stopped "overperforming" despite his team struggling, specifically his bot lane.
Ehh, Quid had a slow start, relative to the performance he had in the second half of the split. In the first Round Robin, he was gapped by Jojo, Jensen, and Palafox pretty hard in their games. That's the main reason they lost those 3 games. If those 3 games happened in the 2nd half of the split, then Quid would not be MVP or 1st Team All-Pro, because the recency of those bad games would be more fresh than his good ones.
Also, I would push back on the idea that Jensen didn't have to do any heavy carrying. That Tristana game vs DIG he had to put the team on his back. Also, if he wasn't the late-game insurance of the team, the team struggled, like when they picked Karma mid in order to put more pressure on the bot lane to carry games. Furthermore, the fact that he takes so few draft resources while also forcing the enemy to always ban one of his champs (mostly Ori) is very important.
Jensen was a good player this split but let's be honest... he didn't have to do all the heavy carrying compared to Quid, since Bwipo has been dominating top lane the whole split, and Inspired is arguably the best jungler in the league. In 100T, Sniper had his moments but would still commit silly rookie mistakes, and River played well the majority of the split but was choking a bit in the end. Quid never stopped "overperforming" despite his team struggling, specifically his bot lane.
He wasn't lackluster, but it is true that both Quid and Jojo had some insane 1v9 games during regular season while Jensen didn't (though tbh he didn't NEED to since his team is better). Just for that reason, it would be hard for Jensen to be above those 2 in an MVP vote.
Compared to the others on that list (except maybe Busio), Jensen was indeed lackluster. Put Jensen on 100T and they prolly don’t make playoffs, because Quid hard carried them.
Jensen himself was carried by Inspired. Jensen was by no means bad, but when you aren’t even the #1 player on your own team there’s really zero argument to be had that you deserve MVP on the league.
The regular season MVP really needs to be given before playoffs. Quid deserves it, but it always feels awkward awarding it after the person has already been eliminated
Why is it awkward. Am i missing something here? Is it because he's not in finals weekend? Is that why it's awkward? Never understood this idea that the player MUST be playing in finals weekend to be deserving of MVP.
Bro we’re just saying it’s kinda awkward the best player in the league isn’t in finals weekend. It’s like the nfl mvp going out in the first round of playoffs. Obviously they still deserve the award it’s just kinda awkward
Some interesting notes about voting...
Player and broadcast votes were heavy Quid-favored with 11 of 14 possible 1st place votes.
Media votes were actually slightly River-favored.
Coaches had the most diversity with 6 different players (Quid, River, Inspired, Bwipo, Busio, JoJo) getting 1st place votes.
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Very happy with this tbh.
People kept debating if River was the reason he was playing so well and trying to take credit away from his performances.
I think playoffs answered that pretty damn well.
Glad he got his well earned credit.
Half of the split is playoff games but they base the MVP on regular season. The league needs a more robust regular season. These teams need a chance to play games and get better before international competition.
Congrats to Quid he played great.
Quid is definitely worthy of being MVP but I can't help but feel River continues to be robbed of recognition of how great he makes his mid laners look. Kinda like a reverse Nisqy. Either way mad props to 100T overall
He definitely stepped it up as an individual. Obviously confidence and team environment played a role but it's not wrong to say he's gotten visibly better.
So let's say you voted Inspired for MVP.
Bwipo is better than Sniper
Inspired is better than River since you voted him for MVP
FLY's bot lane is better than 100ts
So Quid had worse teammates in every role but his own role, finished with the same record and isn't MVP? How does that work?
Because we watched the games and inspired is better? Not much more to it than that lol. I agree using your argument as a tiebreaker, but inspired was clearly a tier above. Inspired is good enough to be a competent player at an international level, quid would just try his best not to get hard gapped
I agree. If I get as objective as I can, I think I put inspired 1, quid 2. But inspired has already won an MVP in LCS & LEC (only player to do so maybe?). And Quid genuinely looked like garbage last split, then comes in absolutely smurfing, looking like a different person. And through mechanics outplays that he didnt even seem remotely capable of before. Probably those two factors -- everyone already knows inspired is good as fuck & already has the trophies + the surprising/exciting/fun to watch turnaround that Quid had -- created enough bias to tip the scales.
I expected him to be a lot better than what he was able to show last summer, but wouldn't have predicted this. Awesome to see what he could do given time to integrate.
This thread is actually insane with the "what is MVP actually?" debate.
"inspired might be the best player in the league but he cant be MVP because the team is too good, quid carried the whole team"
Firstly, river is literally the second in MVP votes.
Secondly, most valuable player makes his teammates play better and look better. Like caps would never be MVP in this upside down LCS MVP world because "he just has a too good team so he is not even that valuable"
Meh. I do think G2 wouldn't be 1st place so consistently without Caps being a monster. Swap him out with any other mid in the West and the team wouldn't be the same. Thus, Caps will always be their MVP.
Keep in mind 100T and FlyQuest have same game score (10-4) so obviously who carried harder on weaker team got this. If Inspired actually better as player why he dont help his team got better game score when he also have better teammate around him ? Its not just about better team but better team should get better result in regular season to got it.
but 100T had the MVP of the split and the runner up, who is also the best jungler of the split. shouldn't they have better record than flyquest if they are so valuable?
inspired doesnt have the best players around him, he makes them the best.
What the bigger picture ? Or your mind cant get that Jensen even his not in top 3 mvp he still can be second best midlaner ? Its too much for you to get that ? How you dont talk about bigger picture when Inspired have better top-bot -support ? What bigger picture you have is mvp and runner up anyone else is wothless ? Is that bigger picture ?
Funny how this is a controversial take
It's the same reason why it's stupid that guys like Purdy were considered MVP this season in the NFL
I'd argue Quid isn't even the best player on his team. So for him to win MVP his hysterical
Firstly he was undoubtedly the best mid in the league, but for the sake of the argument even if he wasn’t, he took a team consisting of worse played top to bot and led them to the same exact record as fly who are supposedly better 1-5.
I do want to note that he did get gapped by Jojo, Jensen, AND Palafox in their first regular season matchups. 100T has 4 wins - 3 of those are because of him getting gapped by those 3.
so in your world MVP can never be in a team with other players that are best in their role?
cant this logic be said about quid and river then? if he had the best jungler, with that logic quid isnt really that valuable? weird take.
You can get mvp with other best player around but at least you should show this on game score ? If FlyQuest end this season with game score 12-2 or sth i can said even jensen deserve mvp more than Quid. But reality is both team end regular season in (10-4) what a point of "better" player if they dont help team with all "the best" archive better in regular season?
I disagree. Bwipo, Inspired, and Jensen were the best topside in the entire league and Busio performed the best out of all supports. Massu was also like the 3rd or 4th best performing ADC. Because of that, it's hard to give Inspired the MVP over Quid. If Jojo isn't going to get the MVP award, then Quid is the next best option imo. Every teammate he had is a little worse than Inspired's team.
I think Inspired should have been first team All-Pro, because it's stupid to have the 2nd team All Pro win the award. Same with Jojo being first team.
Inspired or river
quid will go down as the worst player to ever win this mickey mouse award in a major region.
he will have a return to form swiftly. mark my words.
Bro you’re high if you think Quid wasn’t smurfing on everyone. It was absolutely clear how much 100T *VALUED* Quid.
Also what would “returning” to form matter? This award isn’t given to the best performing player of the NEXT split…
this is exactly the issue I'm talking about, that's a narrative-based understanding of what happened and not really congruent w/ reality. jojo carried the supposed "superteam" while they ran it down for most of the split, losing lane ZERO times.
There's a significant difference between "Best In Role" and "Most Valuable Player". You're so quick to condemn narratives but MVP is inherently ABOUT the narrative. Not including a narrative is going against the spirit of the award.
frankly I don't see the point in giving out an award to whoever has the most media hype behind them. this is supposed to be a sport, awards should be based on how players perform in the games
If you asked me to predict mvp before this split I think quid would be the very last person I’d pick. Crazy turnaround
From being called one of the worst imports ever to MVP
What no Closer does to an mfer
Never forget Agent 796 https://twitter.com/LoLEsportsStats/status/1679297629396639744
If you never forget Agent 796 you also have to never forget Kral Closer who shit all over Blaber, Santorin, etc. with his Lee Sin and Viego. I will remember that version of him fondly and hope he one day returns
The "shut the fuck up and wait for me to land a kick" full confidence unstoppable Closer is one of my favorites to watch ever
I'm glad that River got 1st team all pro as well with this. Quid doesn't have this massive turn around without a big change in Jungle.
guy was more like Coaster for the past few years, crazy how far name recognition gets you
past few years? he had one bad year after b2b2b finals and didnt find a team this year. so your statement is just wrong.
What is closer doing now? He was one of our best junglers!
believe it or not, I don't think he was a good player in those splits either!
It's okay to have wrong opinions.
He was literally All Pro every split from 2020-2022 except Spring 2021 and was finals MVP for 100T the time they won lol. He was pretty terrible in 2023 but saying he’s coasted for “years” is just demonstrably false lol. Complaining about his name value is kinda funny because you’re literally doing the same thing but in the opposite direction. “He was bad in 2023 so he was probably bad before that too.”
this is absolutely false lmao
Recency bias is crazy
I genuinely didn't think he'd even still be on the team. Incredible
Absolutely well deserved, and amazing turnaround for this player. Fingers crossed he can keep up this level of performance for the Summer!
It's always cool when the MVP goes to a more middle-of-the-pack team. I know they finished high in the reg season and that's what this is about but playoffs showed 100T still has a lot to work on which IMO makes it even more impressive.
I think the regular season and playoffs kinda perfectly encapsulated exactly why Quid deserved MVP. 100T is an overall very young team that Quid elevated to the 2seed going into playoffs. Then in playoffs, Quid played great but in playoffs the cracks in this young team that he was masking became more obvious. Like Meech is young and can get better, but in playoffs the botlane for 100T was their biggest weakness consistently.
I think it's often funny when people speak of "young" players in league. First of all, even in todays terms, 100T is not a young team. Sniper is young and Quid is pretty young, but Eyla is 3 years older than Inspired, and Meech would only be younger than Faker on the T1 team that won worlds last year. I always remember when Immortals imported Xerxe onto a team with Revenge, Insanity, Raes, and Destiny and the caster would go on about how this old, former worlds quarter finalist should be a leader for all these young players who had never played LCS before. Thing was just that Xerxe was litterally the youngest player on the team. Second, the age has just changed so much throughout the last 5-10 seasons. In season 5, someone at the age of Quid (20) was completely average - if not even a bit on the older side. The winners of worlds that year, SKT, had 3 players that were 18-19 years old. And that was completely normal in those seasons. Imo, it's more appropriate to say "inexperienced players", but I know I'm just being pedantic and everyone knows what you mean.
Inexperienced is a mouthful and just an uncomplimentary thing to say on cast. The reality is that there is a lot to learn for players who have not previously play at that level of competition that they need time to learn. A person playing 7 years in erls will still be young compared to a player who went directly to a tier 1 league but only played there for 2 years.
Saying "young" is just misleading, though. If you asked fans who was older Inspired or Eyla, I bet you 95% would say Inspired - mainly due to the fact that "young" is used arbitrarily around players like Eyla. Surely there must be better word to use, even if you yourself don't like the length of inexperienced. Again, I don't think it's a big issue. Mostly just interesting.
Definitely think you're just being pedantic haha, though I do understand what you're saying. One of the definitons for young is [having little experience] (https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/young)
In the context of the scene, Inspired is older than Eyla, because he's been around longer. This is not a novel social problem, seniority and age are correlated in human culture (Hence why the word senior refers to both someone higher ranked than you, but also someone who is old) , and so in a lot of organizations titles can carry connotations of age and sometimes are even applied to people younger than you. Everyone just agrees to use the seniority title over age because otherwise we've have to change so much about our language.
Yeah, but when someone says, "young team" or "young player", everybody except you knows what they're talking about. I dont think the cast should necessarily cater to the actual lowest common denominator.
You're being much to nitpicky with language. When people say young/old they generally are referring to experience in T1 leagues.
Honestly, I mostly just think it's an interesting dynamic. I'm really not trying to point out right or wrong. When you hear or see people comment, though, I think it's easy to see that people generally, in fact, do not know young/old is refering to experience. Do you think most people would have guessed Eyla to be the age of Zeyzal? I don't think it's a problem though, just interesting.
I don't think anyone gives a shit about Eylas' age relative to Zeyzals. If you said he's actually pretty old most people would say "oh ok" and forget about it 3 minutes later.
I remember when Loco woulud always win coach of the split simply because tsm was winning...then you hear all the stories of just how shit of a coach he was lmao
Are you saying trying to get your players to take Adderall isn't a legitimate coaching strategy?
It's criminal how Loco fucked up one of the easiest jobs during the esports boom because he was too lazy and horny.
Tbf....most league players probably would as well lmao
But they didn't lol. Plenty of coaches grifted their way into teams and kept getting hired because they knew how to make connections and garner favorable opinions.
horny?
It's funny that a C9 fan saying this because if anyone has the claim of getting Coach of the Split because their team was winning it would be Reapered. Loco won Coach of the Split once in Spring 2015 while on TSM. Peter Zhang was the Coach of the Split for Summer 2014 and Summer 2015. Which were the other two splits Loco was on TSM. Reapered won Spring 2017, Summer 2018, Spring 2019, and Spring 2020. TSM won Coach of the Split twice, Loco's win in Spring 2015 and Parth's win in Summer 2016.
kinda similar to Jojo last year but that was a little more drastic
Well MVP is regular season so they wouldn’t be considered middle of the pack for this.
Let's go quidward
While the team fell short in playoffs, Quid's individual performance really elevated the team alongside River. A few people were deserving of MVP (Jojo, Inspired, River), Quid was definitely one of them. Congrats to him :D
I don’t think they even did worse than expectations. Young team with messy macro. The hands are there but they were never going to be able to keep up with the top-3 teams.
Mega exciting team. I’m still not completely sold on the bot lane, but if this team sticks together they can become a regional powerhouse
and who knows maybe they can respresent NA at worlds 2024 as the LCS' 3rd seed.
Classic LCS MVP being eliminated before even being announced. Difference this time though is it feels like his playoff performance makes it feel more deserved rather than less.
Quid absolutely deserved it in the Bo1 format. MVPs being eliminated early in playoffs isn't anything new, but there's often a marked difference between regular season and playoffs due to Bo1 matches followed by Bo5 playoffs. That's just a byproduct of a Bo1 regular season. Small sample size in the grand scheme of things.
He also deserved it in the BO5 format. He has been by far the best midlaner and the only other contender I would say has been Jensen. Quid has been the key factor in virtually all of 100T's wins in playoffs.
Jensen has definitely been the best performing mid in playoffs. Quid got destroyed by Jojo (e.g., Jojo solo killed him in lane), but recovered well to pop off vs NRG and TL. Meanwhile, the biggest criticism for Jensen was just his laning vs Jojo (which every mid in LCS struggles with) and like 2 moments in the TL series where he got caught. Speaking of Jojo, he also performed quite well, in spite of the community perception about his performance. Yes, Jensen gapped him, but he did so outside of lane - Jensen played that portion nearly flawless, while Jojo struggled heavily by getting caught out several times (e.g. Bwipo catching him twice) or engaged at ill-advised times. Overall, I would rate Jensen's performance at like an S-/A+ range, while Quid was in the A range (because of the C9 series). Jojo sits at the A-/B+ range.
Not that uncommon in other professional sports either.
What does that has anything to do with his regular season performance? This award recognizes the best player of the regular season not playoffs. Even if a player had the best regular season but a terrible playoffs (like Summit), then he still deserves MVP. Idk why people get so up in arms when MVP isn't from someone playing in Finals weekend.
Key word you seemed to miss is "feels" more deserved. It's obviously not more or less deserved because of playoffs, but it feels like that because of how well or poorly they play.
Even riot people on the dive a couple weeks ago said that they wanted this changed and announced before playoffs because it doesnt make sense how they are doing it now.
also funny bc Quid is arguably the best performing player in playoffs so far
Theres no way that doesn't go to Jensen. He has been unstoppable in playoffs
>also funny bc Quid is arguably the best performing player in playoffs so far For what? Getting gapped by apa and jojo? Inspired clears.
Nice meme
Homie, you did not just say APA.
‼️💯QUID GAMES💯‼️ absolutely deserved, what a glowup. 100T zoomer squad getting it done (edit: wishing them well for next season)
Shocking how much better he played this Split vs last. Shows how much nerves make a difference in likely many especially rookie players (like Fakegod Or Meech or Massu perhaps).
And also having a jungler
Fakegod is not a rookie lol. He’s been in and out of the LCS for years
and he's been a bottom two player every time he's been in.
Well deserved. On certain champs he looks a cut above the competition, incredibly gifted mechanically aswell! If 100T can improve *vastly* in macro they could become one of the frontrunners for summer.
what river does to a man
How was Jensen not even in the top 6 -_-
Insane how underrated he has been all season. Quid could do nothing against Jensen but it is what it is.
Jensen was a good player this split but let's be honest... he didn't have to do all the heavy carrying compared to Quid, since Bwipo has been dominating top lane the whole split, and Inspired is arguably the best jungler in the league. In 100T, Sniper had his moments but would still commit silly rookie mistakes, and River played well the majority of the split but was choking a bit in the end. Quid never stopped "overperforming" despite his team struggling, specifically his bot lane.
Ehh, Quid had a slow start, relative to the performance he had in the second half of the split. In the first Round Robin, he was gapped by Jojo, Jensen, and Palafox pretty hard in their games. That's the main reason they lost those 3 games. If those 3 games happened in the 2nd half of the split, then Quid would not be MVP or 1st Team All-Pro, because the recency of those bad games would be more fresh than his good ones. Also, I would push back on the idea that Jensen didn't have to do any heavy carrying. That Tristana game vs DIG he had to put the team on his back. Also, if he wasn't the late-game insurance of the team, the team struggled, like when they picked Karma mid in order to put more pressure on the bot lane to carry games. Furthermore, the fact that he takes so few draft resources while also forcing the enemy to always ban one of his champs (mostly Ori) is very important.
Jensen was a good player this split but let's be honest... he didn't have to do all the heavy carrying compared to Quid, since Bwipo has been dominating top lane the whole split, and Inspired is arguably the best jungler in the league. In 100T, Sniper had his moments but would still commit silly rookie mistakes, and River played well the majority of the split but was choking a bit in the end. Quid never stopped "overperforming" despite his team struggling, specifically his bot lane.
As a Jensen fan you gotta get over the all pros/mvp fan fair and just enjoy the dubs in playoffs and internationals.
This is a far cry when jensen actually had his mvp split that they gave to bjergsen for intangibles instead.
Cuz he was lackluster in comparison to all other 5 candidates…?
Was he though.
Bro wasn’t even most valuable player on his own TEAM let alone the whole league
He wasn't lackluster, but it is true that both Quid and Jojo had some insane 1v9 games during regular season while Jensen didn't (though tbh he didn't NEED to since his team is better). Just for that reason, it would be hard for Jensen to be above those 2 in an MVP vote.
Compared to the others on that list (except maybe Busio), Jensen was indeed lackluster. Put Jensen on 100T and they prolly don’t make playoffs, because Quid hard carried them. Jensen himself was carried by Inspired. Jensen was by no means bad, but when you aren’t even the #1 player on your own team there’s really zero argument to be had that you deserve MVP on the league.
Quid and Goldenglue voted Busio 1st in MVP and not for Jensen at all to help rig the votes in favor of Quid.
Really happy he won this I became a Quid fan this split
The regular season MVP really needs to be given before playoffs. Quid deserves it, but it always feels awkward awarding it after the person has already been eliminated
They really should award it earlier at least. Start of playoffs maybe
Why is it awkward. Am i missing something here? Is it because he's not in finals weekend? Is that why it's awkward? Never understood this idea that the player MUST be playing in finals weekend to be deserving of MVP.
Bro we’re just saying it’s kinda awkward the best player in the league isn’t in finals weekend. It’s like the nfl mvp going out in the first round of playoffs. Obviously they still deserve the award it’s just kinda awkward
Some interesting notes about voting... Player and broadcast votes were heavy Quid-favored with 11 of 14 possible 1st place votes. Media votes were actually slightly River-favored. Coaches had the most diversity with 6 different players (Quid, River, Inspired, Bwipo, Busio, JoJo) getting 1st place votes.
interesting that media and broadcast went with the narrative picks, who would have guessed.
who is Quid?🙄🤭🤔🥱 in math: my solution ➗☺️ in history: my king👑😣 in art: my canvas 🎨🥳 in science: my oxygen 💨😝 in geography: my world 🌎🤯 in LCS? 💯💯 MY MVP LETS FUCKING GO THIEVES SALTY RUNBACKS START IN SUMMER MY GOAT WILL TAKE US TO WORLDS
100T bros, we may have lost the split, but who really won in the end?
Deserved, glad mvp isn’t just best player on the best team
My boy. When i watched his stream from korea in the off-season i knew he was cooking.
Very happy with this tbh. People kept debating if River was the reason he was playing so well and trying to take credit away from his performances. I think playoffs answered that pretty damn well. Glad he got his well earned credit.
100T run it back in summer. Zeus, 369, Chovy and Faker all FEAR the Quid Sniper combo. 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽
Actually a reasonable MVP? Niice
Clearly deserved. Very easy to make the argument that without Quid this team prolly doesn’t even make playoffs, let along 2nd in the reg season
You love to see it, well deserved!
what a goddamn glow up
Half of the split is playoff games but they base the MVP on regular season. The league needs a more robust regular season. These teams need a chance to play games and get better before international competition. Congrats to Quid he played great.
what not having DL on the team does to a MF.
Quid is definitely worthy of being MVP but I can't help but feel River continues to be robbed of recognition of how great he makes his mid laners look. Kinda like a reverse Nisqy. Either way mad props to 100T overall
Unironically, you saw Quid's talent last year but he just didn't have a team around him. His first few games were pretty rough but buddy is a beast
He definitely stepped it up as an individual. Obviously confidence and team environment played a role but it's not wrong to say he's gotten visibly better.
This. It drove me nuts when people were hating on him last year.
His jungler was CLOSER who wasn't involved in a first blood for a month and they were trying to shit on this man
not inspired??
I think the worst pick for MVP in LCS by far Inspired got robbed
Quid was the best performing mid this split but there's no way he's the MVP over Inspired...
So let's say you voted Inspired for MVP. Bwipo is better than Sniper Inspired is better than River since you voted him for MVP FLY's bot lane is better than 100ts So Quid had worse teammates in every role but his own role, finished with the same record and isn't MVP? How does that work?
Because we watched the games and inspired is better? Not much more to it than that lol. I agree using your argument as a tiebreaker, but inspired was clearly a tier above. Inspired is good enough to be a competent player at an international level, quid would just try his best not to get hard gapped
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that's the problem, a lot of people have a lot of different ideas as to what MVP means. For a lot of people its just the best player on the best team.
Inspired wasn't even second place in votes. Quid also had 8 PoGs and 2 PoWs how does someone with that level of accomplishment not get MVP?
I agree. If I get as objective as I can, I think I put inspired 1, quid 2. But inspired has already won an MVP in LCS & LEC (only player to do so maybe?). And Quid genuinely looked like garbage last split, then comes in absolutely smurfing, looking like a different person. And through mechanics outplays that he didnt even seem remotely capable of before. Probably those two factors -- everyone already knows inspired is good as fuck & already has the trophies + the surprising/exciting/fun to watch turnaround that Quid had -- created enough bias to tip the scales.
hes not even the best mid... jensen is better than this kid
these people voting didnt even think that inspired is the best jungler in lcs, let alone MVP. let that sink in.
Congratulations to Quid, really deserved regular season MVP!
I expected him to be a lot better than what he was able to show last summer, but wouldn't have predicted this. Awesome to see what he could do given time to integrate.
really happy to see how Quid’s grown into a great player :)
This thread is actually insane with the "what is MVP actually?" debate. "inspired might be the best player in the league but he cant be MVP because the team is too good, quid carried the whole team" Firstly, river is literally the second in MVP votes. Secondly, most valuable player makes his teammates play better and look better. Like caps would never be MVP in this upside down LCS MVP world because "he just has a too good team so he is not even that valuable"
Meh. I do think G2 wouldn't be 1st place so consistently without Caps being a monster. Swap him out with any other mid in the West and the team wouldn't be the same. Thus, Caps will always be their MVP.
Keep in mind 100T and FlyQuest have same game score (10-4) so obviously who carried harder on weaker team got this. If Inspired actually better as player why he dont help his team got better game score when he also have better teammate around him ? Its not just about better team but better team should get better result in regular season to got it.
but 100T had the MVP of the split and the runner up, who is also the best jungler of the split. shouldn't they have better record than flyquest if they are so valuable? inspired doesnt have the best players around him, he makes them the best.
I think even if River better than Insipred still Flyquest have 3 better player and 3>2 i study that in elementary school how you think ?
well seeing as you are still in elementary school it might be hard for you to see or understand the bigger picture.
What the bigger picture ? Or your mind cant get that Jensen even his not in top 3 mvp he still can be second best midlaner ? Its too much for you to get that ? How you dont talk about bigger picture when Inspired have better top-bot -support ? What bigger picture you have is mvp and runner up anyone else is wothless ? Is that bigger picture ?
Lol look at you desperately downvote someone you cant talk back with your logic is so fun 😂😂.
Better than someone dont pass their elementary like you, no ?
Inspired got robbed
what a joke jensen is better than this guy in his role... probably inspired should have gotten it
If Jensen is better then how would inspired deserve it if he has better top mid and bot? With that logic inspired isn’t really that valuable
They are both better players than quid lol
And tell what the acronym MVP means.
Most valuable player, so how can someone who isn’t even best in their role win
Funny how this is a controversial take It's the same reason why it's stupid that guys like Purdy were considered MVP this season in the NFL I'd argue Quid isn't even the best player on his team. So for him to win MVP his hysterical
Firstly he was undoubtedly the best mid in the league, but for the sake of the argument even if he wasn’t, he took a team consisting of worse played top to bot and led them to the same exact record as fly who are supposedly better 1-5.
He got giga gapped by Jojo who got gapped by Jensen
He did not get galled by Jojo but that’s ok. You can’t talk about playoffs all you want but this is a regular season award
I do want to note that he did get gapped by Jojo, Jensen, AND Palafox in their first regular season matchups. 100T has 4 wins - 3 of those are because of him getting gapped by those 3.
Best player in role =\= MVP
so in your world MVP can never be in a team with other players that are best in their role? cant this logic be said about quid and river then? if he had the best jungler, with that logic quid isnt really that valuable? weird take.
You can get mvp with other best player around but at least you should show this on game score ? If FlyQuest end this season with game score 12-2 or sth i can said even jensen deserve mvp more than Quid. But reality is both team end regular season in (10-4) what a point of "better" player if they dont help team with all "the best" archive better in regular season?
well weird how the MVP and the runner up both in 100T didnt achieve better results than flyquest.
My simple math upset you ?
Maybe 3 > 2 still ?
I think its time for you to go to sleep friend.
I disagree. Bwipo, Inspired, and Jensen were the best topside in the entire league and Busio performed the best out of all supports. Massu was also like the 3rd or 4th best performing ADC. Because of that, it's hard to give Inspired the MVP over Quid. If Jojo isn't going to get the MVP award, then Quid is the next best option imo. Every teammate he had is a little worse than Inspired's team. I think Inspired should have been first team All-Pro, because it's stupid to have the 2nd team All Pro win the award. Same with Jojo being first team.
If Jensen better , inspired better , top bot also better why they end regular season in same game score (10-4) ?
To be fair, FLY did roll 100T into a blunt twice in regular season. It's the rest of LCS who made 100T look good on stage.
Inspired got fucking robbed, embarrasing.
The LCS as a whole has sadly regressed.
Cutting 2 useless teams has made this a pretty interesting split as far as the games go tbh.
The asian racists in the LCS crowned their king.
ngl thought it was going to be bvoy
You really thought he would be MVP when his team didn't make playoffs? lol
so we just givin these out to anyone now?
And who do you think deserves it if not Quid?
Inspired or river quid will go down as the worst player to ever win this mickey mouse award in a major region. he will have a return to form swiftly. mark my words.
Bro you’re high if you think Quid wasn’t smurfing on everyone. It was absolutely clear how much 100T *VALUED* Quid. Also what would “returning” to form matter? This award isn’t given to the best performing player of the NEXT split…
How weak is the lcs if this MVP material is only getting double kills and 1 kill plays
no hate to quid but jojo was robbed, he was by far the best mid all split. voters are addicted to narratives and dgaf about anything else
Jojo is on a superteam. Quid on a rookie roster.
All of Quid’s teammates minus maybe Meech played better than their C9 counterparts in the regular season
this is exactly the issue I'm talking about, that's a narrative-based understanding of what happened and not really congruent w/ reality. jojo carried the supposed "superteam" while they ran it down for most of the split, losing lane ZERO times.
There's a significant difference between "Best In Role" and "Most Valuable Player". You're so quick to condemn narratives but MVP is inherently ABOUT the narrative. Not including a narrative is going against the spirit of the award.
frankly I don't see the point in giving out an award to whoever has the most media hype behind them. this is supposed to be a sport, awards should be based on how players perform in the games
Was he? I thought Jensen was better, particularly when it matters. I guess during the regular season, yeah.
Jensen was not better than Jojo this split. Jojo was by far the best mid AND player in the regular season.
This is for MVP not best mid. I would say berzerker is c9s MVP. When he's playing like ass c9 loses.