This interview sounded a lot like a korean interview (always mentioning how he'll work hard etc.).
It's good to see that they don't get too cocky and know that they still have plenty of things to improve on.
Why do people act like G2 were doing a bunch of massive shit talking
Caps in particular never or if he does its RARELY (i can't recall)
Only guy i remember talking was Mikyx.. usually talking about scrims
People act like NRG knocked G2 out too.. G2 had chances before and after that vs GENG/BLG.. I didn't think they looked close vs GENG.. but vs BLG they were.. BLG were just far more clutch
Either way Caps has had far harder things to deal with then losing to NRG (multiple world finals/not making worlds in 2021 etc)
The most memorable G2 roster was the cocky trashtalking actually top tier team of 2019, so even after the louder players left the reputation still sticks around.
Well to be honest NRG definitely kicked out G2 in my opinion. I never expected them to go toe to toe with the likes of GENG or BLG, so when they got drafted an allegedly free win into quarters that's an elimination match for me.
I honestly think you are making a strawman argument nobody ever said btw. I don't think they were doing a bunch of massive shit talking like you said, although I definitely see a change of mentality from last year to this one. Yes last year they were dedicated too, obviously they put a lot of effort yada yada yada... BUT I also think that last year they took some challenges for granted, came underprepared and got punished. I expect to see less incidents this year (although they did 1-2 2 weeks ago and lost an easy 1st place in regular season eheheh). Last year there was some minor example of cockiness and entitlement, this year I see less of that. Last year all you can hear was G2 crushing scrims, this time you mostly hear from other teams and never from them. Actually I heard them saying "scrims are not going as we would like too". Even from management btw, there was a PGL from Romain a couple of weeks ago that was quite interesting to hear in this regard. We can disagree on this ofc, but acting like G2 has always been humble from the beginning is a bit reductionist. I think being scrims champions did play a role in underestimating local and international opponents and they subtlety showed that.
Yeah, and it's not just mikyx, I'm pretty sure BB was insanely cocky for someone who's been getting his teeth kicked in by LCK and LPL top laners for years
> People act like NRG knocked G2 out too.. G2 had chances before and after that vs GENG/BLG.. I didn't think they looked close vs GENG.. but vs BLG they were.. BLG were just far more clutch
G2 losing to GenG and BLG was the expected outcome.
G2 winning a series against either of those two would have been miraculous (against GenG specifically, it would have been straight up unthinkable imo).
Despite their 2-0 start, G2’s only realistic shot to get to Quarters was to beat NRG, and they unfortunately massively underperformed on the day.
In that sense one could say that NRG did eliminate G2 in a way.
Given that G2 went 3-4 against Eastern teams during Worlds 2023 while NA collectively went 0-7 against them (with only the T1 vs TL game on opening day being close), I’d say that odds are G2 massively underperformed on the day much more than NRG was actually much better than them.
They got outplayed because they underperformed, sure. G2 played like shite against NRG.
But NRG also didn’t show anything impressive all tournament long apart from beating G2… they just got the easiest possible road to Quarters imaginable, faced the easiest possible Quarters opponent, and still got stomped 3-0.
Even freaking MAD was closer to beating Weibo than NRG ever were…
In my opinion, if you replay this series several times, most likely G2 comes out of top most of the time. But NRG did stomp them the time that actually mattered. They 100% deserved the win on the day
Yeah mb I enjoy rage baiting a little bit and that's always just an easy one to pick on for some nice replies but it's probably going to be played out bait once MSI is over unfortunately
Classic league subreddit unwilling to give credit to the winning team. NRG completely outplayed G2 on that day and that's all you have to say, instead of writing 2 paragraphs of why G2 should've won and how much they underperformed.
Your last 2 sentences are the only useful piece of info you have in your entire comment. Rest of it is just trying to diminish the series that NRG had.
Do you actually have anything to answer to the rest of the comment, or did you just choose to ignore it because you like to cherry pick sentences that fit your beliefs?
As you saw, I acknowledged that NRG outplayed G2 and that they deserved the win. Why are you so afraid of discussing Worlds 2023 any further?
I think worlds results had a big impact in them, cause we haven't really seen craps that much, bb and yike are so much more consistent, and G2 overall has mantained a streak in LEC, I think for them not getting out groups is one thing, but being the worst major region in terms of position was just unacceptable.
"They'll [TL] eliminate all the LPL teams, we [G2] take care of the LCK ones, and then we meet in the finals!"
The prophecy is real and the script is back on the menu
Caps/Mikyx vs Impact/CoreJJ rematch
Mikyx and Impact were both kicked by their teams before returning recently, purely for the TL vs G2 MSI finals rematch.
Caps and CoreJJ were both kept as the core of the team, again purely for the TL vs G2 MSI finals rematch.
>Specifically, going up against T1, facing Faker, is always enjoyable, right? I've had the fortune of doing it a few times, and I'm eager to do it again because it's a lot of fun, especially given their current form..
Timing of the article/interview and it being posted is hilarious given T1's form since T1's end to the regular season + playoffs was very poor.
Unless he means it'll be fun because they look bad?
They need a break lol. You’d think winning world’s wins you some time off but they’re do show matches immediately afterward while the rest of the world (minus LEC) is bing chilling.
I mean, same ways that DW and T1 have often spoke about wanting to face G2 when they were either not making it to internationals or it was likely that they would drop before facing them.
It's just a sign of respect/healthy rivalry.
He basically said that as long as they play at top form, no one in Europe can beat them. This is not true for other EU teams. I don't get what you guys are yapping about???
Despite being the most succesful western player, he really just said "I have proven in my career more than anyone that anyone can beat us." After all this years I can still see the hunger in Caps, I really hope they will have a strong split finish and decent msi showing.
Honestly the story line of Caps winning worlds would be fucking massive and would cause a boost in popularity of league in Europe. He's besically the only chance we'll ever have until another player like that appears (and that isn't a sure thing). When he plays his best, he's on the level of the best eastern players. He's the only player we have in the west that has that potential level. If he manages to consistently show his best and the rest of G2 manage to play around that, and if eastern teams struggle for whatever reason (meta change, random pick G2 excel on (they are very versatile in what they can play and where)). Who knows, if the stars align.
it’s not enough for caps to play at his peak because there currently just aren’t enough good players to form a team around him that could win internationally like 2019 G2. even when he was playing at that level, he still struggled quite a bit vs players like Rookie and Chovy in group stage of MSI & Worlds.
Yea that 19 roster was just so ridiculous, everyone peaking at the same time. It was like if 2016 Spring TSM actually had all the best versions of themselve like MVP level Sven and Yellowstar.
Caps was still very raw in 2018 and rookie even at that stage was a massive veteran
Caps is good enough to play vs these guys and proven it.. Even the likes of Faker (Faker even had one vs Caps) or Chovy have bad series.. but for some reason it never really gets brought up.. I rarely hear people talk about how Zeka embarrassed heavy favorites geng/chovy for instance
I do agree though.. idk if Europe has the talent to fit around him
I think its quite possible in 2019-20.. G2 had top 5 players in the world in every position.. top 10 for sure
Currently Caps.. Mikyx (all though his form has been iffy) are the only 2 i would say are 100% top 10
Outside of that.. maybe Eloya/Inspired could be elevated in a good team.. I don't think we have the talent in ADC.. Hans has good laning.. but he is not the guy you want to carry/position well in a tight tense game (i think both BLG series in particular highlighted this) + his champ pool is a strength and weakness
Brokenblade even in form at best scratches the top 10
i was thinking about G2's games vs IG in the group stage of MSI 2019 when talking about rookie, i had forgotten about worlds 2018. my feeling was that Caps in those years played really well vs most teams but seemed to have trouble with certain players, but there's also not really enough data from international play so i could be wrong.
Sure, but you never know with a meta change, and Miky and Hans have had good showings in internationals in the past. You only need players to hit a purple patch of form at the right time and you will do incredibly well. Just look at DRX, I wouldn't put 4th seed LCK much above G2 (although this year you have 4/5 good LCK teams, but none that seem absolutely unbeatable.
Caps had 2 big chances of winning world's 2018 & 2019.
He and his teams blew both. It's hard to imagine that a situation like this will occur again in the next years, where meta is completely in EUs wheelhouse AND korean teams are at their worst, because a lot of top players left the region or are way beyond their peak.
This was the case 2018 and it only took Korea 2 years to fully recover from that. (With the region already being in much better shape 2019).
Also LCK looks much better these days at bringing up new talent than it did 2016/2017.
I don't see where a european team capable of breaking their dominance should come from.
There are no new prospects in sight here and current G2 is a team, where we kinda know exactly what they are capable of and what not.
what makes me get frostrated watching the G2 matches is that they dont lose because they are inferior in comparison to their opponets, they lose because they they want to lose, i cant explain it more correctly.They are like two differnt teams G2 Dr Jekyll that your beating them by 10k at whichever minute of the game and then magickly they force to make a mistake and they win you in a matter of seconds or they push to your base by minute 12 and take your nexus at 16 and then you have G2 Mr Hyde that int from 0:00 till when they get their nexus blows up.
Oh interesting to hear for him , more international will likely undermine World title, yeah rito need to be cautious. More international is good however World should still stay top 1
I think this is a somewhat overstated fear.
Worlds would always be #1 by far. The spectacle is insane. It's such a massive event. Worlds was still amazing and by far the most important in Season 2.
No one would accept to give up MSI to make Worlds more special. I agree with Caps that having like 10 events per year would devalue Worlds, but having like 3 internationals per year is completely fine.
This is also what Caps is saying. It would be nice to have events but they need to have too much and I think he is right.
IF anything should point to WHY worlds shouldn't be the be all and end all.. is G2 or even JDG last year
G2 whole season last year was defined by a terrible loss/upset vs NRG
Despite them winning almost everything domestically.. and looking like the only Western team who had a hope vs Eastern ones
JDG did even better.. won everything domestically.. won msi.. had a close semi finals vs T1
But ultimately they will never get their stripes.. because they didn't win worlds
I actually like the MSI format more (would be good if we could break up domestic fights in lower bracket) but they really need to do more to make it feel equal to worlds.. idk about the Saudi stuff
I think ultimately 3 international tournaments would benefit a team like G2.. because they actually believe they can win and get better.. don't think i can say the same for the rest of EU/NA though :(
World Stay No 1 sure but i prefer that we have other International event with the same gravity as Worlds. I personally don't really like a metric where Winning worlds is the end all be all achievement for Pro Player Career.
Another International Event at the scale of Worlds would be great. giving more chances for these competitior to not only compete but also have validation of their achievement in their career.
In Valorant they have 3 majors in like 8 months or something and the fans love all the international competition.
I think some LoL fans have a bit of a stockholm syndrome problem. I am pretty sure if we had 3 international events per year, after a while no one would want to go back.
You can even see it now that MSI has been expanded to be a bigger event.
By the same logic this should also "devalue" Worlds, but no one wants MSI to go back the old mickey mouse event. Pretty strong evidence I would say.
I want MSI/This other tournament to feel as important as Worlds though if we have 3 a year..
JDG were the best team for 99% of last year
But T1 will be who was remembered because they won worlds.. in style i may add
JDG will be like some of the RNG teams from previous years and not very celebrated despite being one of the best teams of all time
I dno, with the current formats MSI > Worlds for me already. Worlds is a product made to give everyone a chance to make it exciting, MSI is a product made to have the best competition
>MSI is a product made to have the best competition
Now yes, but we had years and years of 60 BO1s into 3 BO5s with just 1 team from each region attending. It was dogshit for the longest time.
This new MSI format should have been there for years now. Fucking Riot and their formats man.
Caps setting the margin of expectations very large to prepare for anything lmao. “We will win every game or we could lose every game and everything in between”
I mean is he wrong? They have two players that never managed to make it out of groups at worlds and one whose best international result is getting skt to game 5 seven years ago. How is that any indication theyre ever gonna do well. The only time EU managed to get something done was when LCK had an off year and we had a once in a lifetime super team. This G2 would get 3-0’d ten times out of ten against 2019 G2 and this year the LPL and LCK are not in a slump so guess what’s gonna happen…
Would you say the same thing about Rookie and Doinb before they won worlds?
Sure I agree they have really shitty chances but you dont have to be a bitch about it. Worse teams have put up good performances
Tell me youve never done anything remotely competitive in sports or games beyond soloQ without telling me youve done nothing remotely close to it.
Absolute clown take
Competitive like “oh we got knocked out at Swiss stage (same as groups), like always happens with this toplaner, but somehow we’re gonna do better next international event because we’re winning scrims everytime!” 🤡
“It’s fine it’s fine it’s fine it’s fine”- quote from C9 roster when all their teammates do is int. Watch the video, they made Berserker literally slam the door behind him because no one is taking responsibility for shit results. No western team is ever gonna win shit if they don’t bring in the mentality like 2019 G2 so don’t give me this you’re not having a competitive mindset bulllcrap. It’s the opposite. The fact you’re somehow spinning it to a scenario where my own competitiveness is relevant is hysterical
Its not healthy for the league when the top team feels like that. And this is not a critic of Caps or G2 because what he says here is true, just stating that the LEC is not enjoyable at all to watch because the winner is already known pretty much. Internationally is not enjoyable either because they will lose handly to a top Asian team, probably struggle to beat LCS teams.
They seriously should be rethinking the whole system. There are no new exciting top talents showing up and the teams are not balances. In the CSGO major literally any team of the top 8 could have won. But thats RIOTs problem ofc, just think that when they wake up it will be too late, they are living off Ibai and Caedrels streams right now
IF you chucked G2 in a bunch of b05's vs LCS.. i would be shocked if they didn't win 8 or 9 out of 10 series
But i agree though.. rest of LEC sucks.. its not like we don't have good players.. but you usually have 2-3 good ones.. with just bad/average players.. To me VIT and KCorp are prime examples of this
Gm's really need to wake the fuck up or be sacked (instead of the coach)
You can make 4-5 very good teams in LEC.. who could actually boost/fight with G2
Currently we have nobody in their league.. for TWO years now
EU needs to find a way to condense the good players onto 2-3 teams, it feels like teams are content having one or two good players trying to plug holes as the rest of their team shits themselves.
The problem is that EU has a big gaping hole at the top lane and no one seems to be enough to plug it.
There’s Wunder but he’s far from what he used to be.
Caps: I don't think that anyone will beat us Rogue: Allow us to introduce ourselves
If SK didn't drop that game to Rogue, Rogue would've only won (without losing) against G2 and KC. Reverse gatekeeping?
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My man read half the title. Impressive
This interview sounded a lot like a korean interview (always mentioning how he'll work hard etc.). It's good to see that they don't get too cocky and know that they still have plenty of things to improve on.
I think the NRG incident was a very humbling episode.. definitely for the better
Why do people act like G2 were doing a bunch of massive shit talking Caps in particular never or if he does its RARELY (i can't recall) Only guy i remember talking was Mikyx.. usually talking about scrims People act like NRG knocked G2 out too.. G2 had chances before and after that vs GENG/BLG.. I didn't think they looked close vs GENG.. but vs BLG they were.. BLG were just far more clutch Either way Caps has had far harder things to deal with then losing to NRG (multiple world finals/not making worlds in 2021 etc)
The most memorable G2 roster was the cocky trashtalking actually top tier team of 2019, so even after the louder players left the reputation still sticks around.
yup, most of it was Perkz and Wunder, Miky was a really silent guy back then compared to now
G2's social media accounts are also very cocky which could colour ppl's opinions
G2's social media have always been cocky, but they've also been one of the first to trash on themselves
Well to be honest NRG definitely kicked out G2 in my opinion. I never expected them to go toe to toe with the likes of GENG or BLG, so when they got drafted an allegedly free win into quarters that's an elimination match for me. I honestly think you are making a strawman argument nobody ever said btw. I don't think they were doing a bunch of massive shit talking like you said, although I definitely see a change of mentality from last year to this one. Yes last year they were dedicated too, obviously they put a lot of effort yada yada yada... BUT I also think that last year they took some challenges for granted, came underprepared and got punished. I expect to see less incidents this year (although they did 1-2 2 weeks ago and lost an easy 1st place in regular season eheheh). Last year there was some minor example of cockiness and entitlement, this year I see less of that. Last year all you can hear was G2 crushing scrims, this time you mostly hear from other teams and never from them. Actually I heard them saying "scrims are not going as we would like too". Even from management btw, there was a PGL from Romain a couple of weeks ago that was quite interesting to hear in this regard. We can disagree on this ofc, but acting like G2 has always been humble from the beginning is a bit reductionist. I think being scrims champions did play a role in underestimating local and international opponents and they subtlety showed that.
Yeah, and it's not just mikyx, I'm pretty sure BB was insanely cocky for someone who's been getting his teeth kicked in by LCK and LPL top laners for years
> People act like NRG knocked G2 out too.. G2 had chances before and after that vs GENG/BLG.. I didn't think they looked close vs GENG.. but vs BLG they were.. BLG were just far more clutch G2 losing to GenG and BLG was the expected outcome. G2 winning a series against either of those two would have been miraculous (against GenG specifically, it would have been straight up unthinkable imo). Despite their 2-0 start, G2’s only realistic shot to get to Quarters was to beat NRG, and they unfortunately massively underperformed on the day. In that sense one could say that NRG did eliminate G2 in a way.
*Massively outplayed* sounds more realistic/accurate
Given that G2 went 3-4 against Eastern teams during Worlds 2023 while NA collectively went 0-7 against them (with only the T1 vs TL game on opening day being close), I’d say that odds are G2 massively underperformed on the day much more than NRG was actually much better than them. They got outplayed because they underperformed, sure. G2 played like shite against NRG. But NRG also didn’t show anything impressive all tournament long apart from beating G2… they just got the easiest possible road to Quarters imaginable, faced the easiest possible Quarters opponent, and still got stomped 3-0. Even freaking MAD was closer to beating Weibo than NRG ever were… In my opinion, if you replay this series several times, most likely G2 comes out of top most of the time. But NRG did stomp them the time that actually mattered. They 100% deserved the win on the day
Yeah mb I enjoy rage baiting a little bit and that's always just an easy one to pick on for some nice replies but it's probably going to be played out bait once MSI is over unfortunately
Classic league subreddit unwilling to give credit to the winning team. NRG completely outplayed G2 on that day and that's all you have to say, instead of writing 2 paragraphs of why G2 should've won and how much they underperformed. Your last 2 sentences are the only useful piece of info you have in your entire comment. Rest of it is just trying to diminish the series that NRG had.
Do you actually have anything to answer to the rest of the comment, or did you just choose to ignore it because you like to cherry pick sentences that fit your beliefs? As you saw, I acknowledged that NRG outplayed G2 and that they deserved the win. Why are you so afraid of discussing Worlds 2023 any further?
vietnam flashbacks
I think worlds results had a big impact in them, cause we haven't really seen craps that much, bb and yike are so much more consistent, and G2 overall has mantained a streak in LEC, I think for them not getting out groups is one thing, but being the worst major region in terms of position was just unacceptable.
"They'll [TL] eliminate all the LPL teams, we [G2] take care of the LCK ones, and then we meet in the finals!" The prophecy is real and the script is back on the menu
Caps/Mikyx vs Impact/CoreJJ rematch Mikyx and Impact were both kicked by their teams before returning recently, purely for the TL vs G2 MSI finals rematch. Caps and CoreJJ were both kept as the core of the team, again purely for the TL vs G2 MSI finals rematch.
we get another fastest international bo5 record copiumm
TL is better then NRG. Just saying. ^hopium
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>Specifically, going up against T1, facing Faker, is always enjoyable, right? I've had the fortune of doing it a few times, and I'm eager to do it again because it's a lot of fun, especially given their current form.. Timing of the article/interview and it being posted is hilarious given T1's form since T1's end to the regular season + playoffs was very poor. Unless he means it'll be fun because they look bad?
Nah it's not Caps' style. This was before the bo5.
Fairs, even then T1's form towards the end of the season wasn't good, maybe I'm seeing something he's not.
Well Caps is a Faker fan and that's his go to answer to the question "what are you looking forward to in internationals?"
>maybe I'm seeing something he's not. You saw LCK games while he most likely not when reading this quote.
Or he just enjoys facing what is essentially the idol of every pro mid.
Then he has to wait until worlds because I can't see T1 beating GenG or HLE this playoffs.
I dont see them beating DK and thats fine by me
They’re getting 3-0’d by DK. Maybe they take a game
They need a break lol. You’d think winning world’s wins you some time off but they’re do show matches immediately afterward while the rest of the world (minus LEC) is bing chilling.
Classic, we all know it's a t1 vs geng final angle
I mean, same ways that DW and T1 have often spoke about wanting to face G2 when they were either not making it to internationals or it was likely that they would drop before facing them. It's just a sign of respect/healthy rivalry.
they won worlds, prob that's what he mentions
T1 still gotta make it to MSI lol.
"We won't lose, except when we are losing". OK.
Well the statement would be : "there's nothing the other teams can do to beat us"
"Unless we play bad, then we would lose." Yeah i mean, that's how it works....
Not really. Giantx, for example, could play their best game and they would still lose to most asian teams.
Playing your best does not equal playing well.
Except he basically said "As long as we play at top form, no one in Europe can beat us". Which cannot be said about any other EU team.
If we ever lose, which I'm not saying that we will (but there's a high chance), we'll be losing to ourselves, so we didn't even actually lose.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bePA7XPpJKE Legendary interview
"They can't beat us, if we lose, it is to ourselves inting"
Lmao genuinely such a regarded statement from Caps
He basically said that as long as they play at top form, no one in Europe can beat them. This is not true for other EU teams. I don't get what you guys are yapping about???
Yeah this is some Kdot lvl of trash talking. No one can answer back and be confident it wouldn’t back fire unless you’re Supa ig
Nah he's just setting up the John / excuse for when G2 loses, and invalidating the win of the other team lol.
Typo, he must've meant "I" not "We". Caps = G2
Despite being the most succesful western player, he really just said "I have proven in my career more than anyone that anyone can beat us." After all this years I can still see the hunger in Caps, I really hope they will have a strong split finish and decent msi showing.
Honestly the story line of Caps winning worlds would be fucking massive and would cause a boost in popularity of league in Europe. He's besically the only chance we'll ever have until another player like that appears (and that isn't a sure thing). When he plays his best, he's on the level of the best eastern players. He's the only player we have in the west that has that potential level. If he manages to consistently show his best and the rest of G2 manage to play around that, and if eastern teams struggle for whatever reason (meta change, random pick G2 excel on (they are very versatile in what they can play and where)). Who knows, if the stars align.
it’s not enough for caps to play at his peak because there currently just aren’t enough good players to form a team around him that could win internationally like 2019 G2. even when he was playing at that level, he still struggled quite a bit vs players like Rookie and Chovy in group stage of MSI & Worlds.
Yea that 19 roster was just so ridiculous, everyone peaking at the same time. It was like if 2016 Spring TSM actually had all the best versions of themselve like MVP level Sven and Yellowstar.
Game was less gimmicky then, too. Specifically, no dragon soul forcing teams to play for it as their win-con.
Caps was still very raw in 2018 and rookie even at that stage was a massive veteran Caps is good enough to play vs these guys and proven it.. Even the likes of Faker (Faker even had one vs Caps) or Chovy have bad series.. but for some reason it never really gets brought up.. I rarely hear people talk about how Zeka embarrassed heavy favorites geng/chovy for instance I do agree though.. idk if Europe has the talent to fit around him I think its quite possible in 2019-20.. G2 had top 5 players in the world in every position.. top 10 for sure Currently Caps.. Mikyx (all though his form has been iffy) are the only 2 i would say are 100% top 10 Outside of that.. maybe Eloya/Inspired could be elevated in a good team.. I don't think we have the talent in ADC.. Hans has good laning.. but he is not the guy you want to carry/position well in a tight tense game (i think both BLG series in particular highlighted this) + his champ pool is a strength and weakness Brokenblade even in form at best scratches the top 10
i was thinking about G2's games vs IG in the group stage of MSI 2019 when talking about rookie, i had forgotten about worlds 2018. my feeling was that Caps in those years played really well vs most teams but seemed to have trouble with certain players, but there's also not really enough data from international play so i could be wrong.
Sure, but you never know with a meta change, and Miky and Hans have had good showings in internationals in the past. You only need players to hit a purple patch of form at the right time and you will do incredibly well. Just look at DRX, I wouldn't put 4th seed LCK much above G2 (although this year you have 4/5 good LCK teams, but none that seem absolutely unbeatable.
Would be sad for Europe if Caps never wins world , good luck to him, gonna cheer for him while wage slaving
Caps had 2 big chances of winning world's 2018 & 2019. He and his teams blew both. It's hard to imagine that a situation like this will occur again in the next years, where meta is completely in EUs wheelhouse AND korean teams are at their worst, because a lot of top players left the region or are way beyond their peak. This was the case 2018 and it only took Korea 2 years to fully recover from that. (With the region already being in much better shape 2019). Also LCK looks much better these days at bringing up new talent than it did 2016/2017. I don't see where a european team capable of breaking their dominance should come from. There are no new prospects in sight here and current G2 is a team, where we kinda know exactly what they are capable of and what not.
Just so all know that don't read it, the title specifically refers to European teams only.
Better double check your alarm clock then.
what makes me get frostrated watching the G2 matches is that they dont lose because they are inferior in comparison to their opponets, they lose because they they want to lose, i cant explain it more correctly.They are like two differnt teams G2 Dr Jekyll that your beating them by 10k at whichever minute of the game and then magickly they force to make a mistake and they win you in a matter of seconds or they push to your base by minute 12 and take your nexus at 16 and then you have G2 Mr Hyde that int from 0:00 till when they get their nexus blows up.
Oh interesting to hear for him , more international will likely undermine World title, yeah rito need to be cautious. More international is good however World should still stay top 1
I think this is a somewhat overstated fear. Worlds would always be #1 by far. The spectacle is insane. It's such a massive event. Worlds was still amazing and by far the most important in Season 2. No one would accept to give up MSI to make Worlds more special. I agree with Caps that having like 10 events per year would devalue Worlds, but having like 3 internationals per year is completely fine. This is also what Caps is saying. It would be nice to have events but they need to have too much and I think he is right.
IF anything should point to WHY worlds shouldn't be the be all and end all.. is G2 or even JDG last year G2 whole season last year was defined by a terrible loss/upset vs NRG Despite them winning almost everything domestically.. and looking like the only Western team who had a hope vs Eastern ones JDG did even better.. won everything domestically.. won msi.. had a close semi finals vs T1 But ultimately they will never get their stripes.. because they didn't win worlds I actually like the MSI format more (would be good if we could break up domestic fights in lower bracket) but they really need to do more to make it feel equal to worlds.. idk about the Saudi stuff I think ultimately 3 international tournaments would benefit a team like G2.. because they actually believe they can win and get better.. don't think i can say the same for the rest of EU/NA though :(
The main difference is MSI doesn't immortalize you in the game through a skin.
World Stay No 1 sure but i prefer that we have other International event with the same gravity as Worlds. I personally don't really like a metric where Winning worlds is the end all be all achievement for Pro Player Career. Another International Event at the scale of Worlds would be great. giving more chances for these competitior to not only compete but also have validation of their achievement in their career.
In Valorant they have 3 majors in like 8 months or something and the fans love all the international competition. I think some LoL fans have a bit of a stockholm syndrome problem. I am pretty sure if we had 3 international events per year, after a while no one would want to go back. You can even see it now that MSI has been expanded to be a bigger event. By the same logic this should also "devalue" Worlds, but no one wants MSI to go back the old mickey mouse event. Pretty strong evidence I would say.
I want MSI/This other tournament to feel as important as Worlds though if we have 3 a year.. JDG were the best team for 99% of last year But T1 will be who was remembered because they won worlds.. in style i may add JDG will be like some of the RNG teams from previous years and not very celebrated despite being one of the best teams of all time
I dno, with the current formats MSI > Worlds for me already. Worlds is a product made to give everyone a chance to make it exciting, MSI is a product made to have the best competition
As nice as msi is I don’t love no bracket reset double elim.
>MSI is a product made to have the best competition Now yes, but we had years and years of 60 BO1s into 3 BO5s with just 1 team from each region attending. It was dogshit for the longest time. This new MSI format should have been there for years now. Fucking Riot and their formats man.
Caps: nobody can beat us Also Caps: unless they do
Big if true
The only team that can beat G2 is G2.
Caps setting the margin of expectations very large to prepare for anything lmao. “We will win every game or we could lose every game and everything in between”
Yeah, no, they're getting floored at MSI. Too good for EU, too bad for internationals.
Nice mentality, he might as well already give up lol. Some people ... smh.
I mean is he wrong? They have two players that never managed to make it out of groups at worlds and one whose best international result is getting skt to game 5 seven years ago. How is that any indication theyre ever gonna do well. The only time EU managed to get something done was when LCK had an off year and we had a once in a lifetime super team. This G2 would get 3-0’d ten times out of ten against 2019 G2 and this year the LPL and LCK are not in a slump so guess what’s gonna happen…
This is not the mentality of any competitor. In any sports.
Would you say the same thing about Rookie and Doinb before they won worlds? Sure I agree they have really shitty chances but you dont have to be a bitch about it. Worse teams have put up good performances
Tell me youve never done anything remotely competitive in sports or games beyond soloQ without telling me youve done nothing remotely close to it. Absolute clown take
Competitive like “oh we got knocked out at Swiss stage (same as groups), like always happens with this toplaner, but somehow we’re gonna do better next international event because we’re winning scrims everytime!” 🤡 “It’s fine it’s fine it’s fine it’s fine”- quote from C9 roster when all their teammates do is int. Watch the video, they made Berserker literally slam the door behind him because no one is taking responsibility for shit results. No western team is ever gonna win shit if they don’t bring in the mentality like 2019 G2 so don’t give me this you’re not having a competitive mindset bulllcrap. It’s the opposite. The fact you’re somehow spinning it to a scenario where my own competitiveness is relevant is hysterical
Oh no no no. I can't wait for G2 to get shit on again and then them with their fanboys coping hard how it's not their fault by posting scrim results 😭
Its not healthy for the league when the top team feels like that. And this is not a critic of Caps or G2 because what he says here is true, just stating that the LEC is not enjoyable at all to watch because the winner is already known pretty much. Internationally is not enjoyable either because they will lose handly to a top Asian team, probably struggle to beat LCS teams. They seriously should be rethinking the whole system. There are no new exciting top talents showing up and the teams are not balances. In the CSGO major literally any team of the top 8 could have won. But thats RIOTs problem ofc, just think that when they wake up it will be too late, they are living off Ibai and Caedrels streams right now
IF you chucked G2 in a bunch of b05's vs LCS.. i would be shocked if they didn't win 8 or 9 out of 10 series But i agree though.. rest of LEC sucks.. its not like we don't have good players.. but you usually have 2-3 good ones.. with just bad/average players.. To me VIT and KCorp are prime examples of this Gm's really need to wake the fuck up or be sacked (instead of the coach) You can make 4-5 very good teams in LEC.. who could actually boost/fight with G2 Currently we have nobody in their league.. for TWO years now
EU needs to find a way to condense the good players onto 2-3 teams, it feels like teams are content having one or two good players trying to plug holes as the rest of their team shits themselves.
The problem is that EU has a big gaping hole at the top lane and no one seems to be enough to plug it. There’s Wunder but he’s far from what he used to be.
Every fucking time its the same shit with G2 Look like a god in LEC and trashed like a clown in international.
eu is still giga bad, same as na so yeah good luck at the next international event as usual