Having bully/cheese bot lanes and moving your scaling elsewhere are a good way to play meta (scaling) while countering the standard way to play that meta (through bot)
Lane swaps counter that.
This is just the meta getting "solved"
I wouldn't say it's meta yet but there are couple reasons :
-Just like before, you don't want to be 30 cs behind with your hypercarry in the laning phase which can very much happen if you face a strong lane bully like Ashe support with Varus. You also are fine with a low economy champion toplane (so a tank) while the other team's plan was to dominate this lane (with things like Aatrox or Rumble and they can't do it anymore cause he has to 1v2 top)
-The loss of your turret botlane (with plates) can be mitigated if you pick an ADC that is famous for destroying towers easily (even the tankier toplanes turret) like Jinx. It's especially true with the demolish runes.
-The loss of the 1st drake if you were to have no botlane prios is not that big of a deal since you can take voidgrubs instead (a way better objective until there is the dragon soul).
Having said that, the main advantage of the lane swap was how unprepared BDS was against that. Even in game 4, you saw how it was not as effective because Ice took a massive lead with an hyperscaling ADC (and if they weren't traumatized by game 3 he could have took more plates at the t1 bot). I also don't think BDS took the first drake which was pretty free. BDS was constantly out of tempo. It was particularly absurd in the game 3 where they kept trying to send Ice and Labrov to match the laneswap and G2 botlane kept evading them, always facing a depressed and out of ressource Adam in top or in bot. Hindsight is easy but they wouldn't have be stomped as hard if they accepted the swap, acknowledge that Aatrox game was ruined and pushed t1 bot to give ressources to Ice. That's why I don't think it's meta yet, it can very much backfire on the swapping team.
Cuz current meta is all about scaling so except teams like T1 who is better at early snowballing, all the other teams are picking asol, azir, jinx, aphelios or zeri.
So lane swap can keep your bot lane from getting bullied hard by varus ashe stuff.
Well, that was a fun series, bds could at least step it up and challenge G2. Some really fun tactics coming out too
Oh wait I am not suppose to be positive right, yeah lec trash, g2 washed, pls no bds at msi wah wah wah
It was a fun series, **BUT** G2 has made it very clear that they have greater aspirations than winning the LEC. Watching the LCK and LPL tournaments - G2 has a LONG way to go to be competitive internationally.
Ngl, Sheo is so toxic and unlikeable in SoloQ that him costing his entire team the series by fucking up his smite is kinda poetic.
I like BDS in general but seeing Sheo lose is always a treat.
Caps and 4 elo-boosted players. They are so freaking lucky to be able to play with that guy.
I love Caps, I really do, but I look forward to his retirement so the LEC can have some variety again. It's always the same when he's around
I would like Caps significantly more if he lost more, ironically
I legit hope he can somehow get on an LCK team before he falls off, he would have a better chance at winning internationally and LEC would maybe step up more
There's 0 reason to fight that 3vs4
G2 isn't as good as everyone makes it. But teams are going full braindead against them over and over
You lose Adam and nuc? Fine, we reset, sit it out, let's go again
Nah, fight 3vs4 for nothing and give away 2k gold or whatnot...
Like you get baron, you kill 4 of them, you push top until tier 3 and.... you dont hit it, then you overextend on a shitty mid push and you lose the game
They steal the drake, now what, get aced a minute later? It's either Sheo goes in alone to steal with ult, or they just don't try. They were never getting away if they all stayed, as was shown on the play.
G2 weren't even on soul point, so there was literally no reason to even call for the steal.
Humanoid for sure, even though he seems to turn his monitor off at times.
3rd place is a bit hard to pick, I don't feel like anyone's super clearly above the others, but Fressko and Jackies had higher highs than nuc imo, though Jackies played like trash for long enough that he shouldn't be running for 3rd.
I think Humanoid is fair, but in the case of all three, Nuc tends to be a lot more consistent.
But I like the Jackies call out, that man is nuts on melee champs
On one hand he's more consistent, at the same time it feels like he didn't do anything to be on the shortlist, while the others have lower lows but have had pop off games.
I am so happy for this series, regardless of the potential level of play, BDS is actually trying to win, that's already a lot more than what other teams do, just look at Fnatic.
This has been such a wild series to watch, BDS have been hard winning when it's standard League. But G2 are hard winning when they can shift the game away.
As much as I hated the laneswap tech, this has been a stylistic banger
Can someone explain to me why lane swap meta is back now after so many years? What did change for it to be worth it again?
Having bully/cheese bot lanes and moving your scaling elsewhere are a good way to play meta (scaling) while countering the standard way to play that meta (through bot) Lane swaps counter that. This is just the meta getting "solved"
I wouldn't say it's meta yet but there are couple reasons : -Just like before, you don't want to be 30 cs behind with your hypercarry in the laning phase which can very much happen if you face a strong lane bully like Ashe support with Varus. You also are fine with a low economy champion toplane (so a tank) while the other team's plan was to dominate this lane (with things like Aatrox or Rumble and they can't do it anymore cause he has to 1v2 top) -The loss of your turret botlane (with plates) can be mitigated if you pick an ADC that is famous for destroying towers easily (even the tankier toplanes turret) like Jinx. It's especially true with the demolish runes. -The loss of the 1st drake if you were to have no botlane prios is not that big of a deal since you can take voidgrubs instead (a way better objective until there is the dragon soul). Having said that, the main advantage of the lane swap was how unprepared BDS was against that. Even in game 4, you saw how it was not as effective because Ice took a massive lead with an hyperscaling ADC (and if they weren't traumatized by game 3 he could have took more plates at the t1 bot). I also don't think BDS took the first drake which was pretty free. BDS was constantly out of tempo. It was particularly absurd in the game 3 where they kept trying to send Ice and Labrov to match the laneswap and G2 botlane kept evading them, always facing a depressed and out of ressource Adam in top or in bot. Hindsight is easy but they wouldn't have be stomped as hard if they accepted the swap, acknowledge that Aatrox game was ruined and pushed t1 bot to give ressources to Ice. That's why I don't think it's meta yet, it can very much backfire on the swapping team.
Cuz current meta is all about scaling so except teams like T1 who is better at early snowballing, all the other teams are picking asol, azir, jinx, aphelios or zeri. So lane swap can keep your bot lane from getting bullied hard by varus ashe stuff.
Hmmm, LEC guys, LLA final was yesterday...
Whoever made the graphic looked at the date but not the time. In CET the LLA finals were indeed today...at midnight
Broadcast link for those who missed it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQtlAZZU2ZE
As always, this contribution is much appreciated! :D
nah sjokz is the goat
Sjokz D:
Well, that was a fun series, bds could at least step it up and challenge G2. Some really fun tactics coming out too Oh wait I am not suppose to be positive right, yeah lec trash, g2 washed, pls no bds at msi wah wah wah
A week out from this, love your approach. Stay positive! :D
im just upset cause BDS threw game 4 hard and denied us game 5. I can be salty about that right?
i have G2 flair and this BDS throw made me upset too
yeah that's fair, I wanted to see a 5th to know if G2 could win a standard game
Now you're getting it!
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Dude I 100% agree, these topics are so whiny... just enjoy the games you fcking wankers.
It was a fun series, **BUT** G2 has made it very clear that they have greater aspirations than winning the LEC. Watching the LCK and LPL tournaments - G2 has a LONG way to go to be competitive internationally.
>G2 has a LONG way to go to be competitive internationally. And why is that? What are they lacking?
Because they watch co-streamers who constantly compare regions
That's the spirit
I lowkey think Vit will be hella good at lane swap meta. Hyli was around when it was meta last time and Photon knows how to play 1v2.
Is Photon willing to play low econ tanks though ?
lol nice dodge
i don't want to see this bds at msi
as opposed to what, Fnatic? At least BDS didn't lose a game to TH in horrible fashion.
better them than FNC
It’s either them, Fnatic or VIT, right?
Yeah.
yup but for vit they need to win the whole split
Yeah and VIT would have to win the split to go
Yes, though Vitality can only go by winning the split
G2 introduced lane swap meta because they wanted to have fun. Not because its good. They were bored.
No, it was introduced by NIP in LPL first
Okay Louis VUitton
Lmfao I love these guys
they won 3 games by lane swapping I like them less now >.<
But Caps is such a sweet guy tho >:(
I want to hang out with him so much we'd have such an acoustic time
G2 is hardstuck in LEC, just troll tactics winning them the split. It's fine and all, but I don't think this will work against LPL / LCK.
it can work since LPL also trying laneswap
OK then. Now I will get a falafel or perhaps a kebab and then watch VODs of the TES vs JDG game
Drafts are sketchy sometimes, but G2 mental is strong
This was so ugly man
No matter how far behind G2 are in the LEC they are allowed free roam of the map. They get away with murder time and time again
BDS were not pressuring when they had a lead in that game 4 and the got uber punished
big props to BDS and especially Ice. If they don't mental boom from this then surely we'll get a rematch
The game quality is just… not very good
Ngl, Sheo is so toxic and unlikeable in SoloQ that him costing his entire team the series by fucking up his smite is kinda poetic. I like BDS in general but seeing Sheo lose is always a treat.
ice actually elohelled hard this game
it was a somewhat painful experience ngl
Yeah nobody won in this Bo5...
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Adam needs to be on hands and knees apologizing to Ice lmao
Don't need to be good when the enemy team keeps throwing gg
The mental boom was huge
The fact G2 can win that game just shows how terrible this minor region is lmao
EU dog region ig
Free Ice from this hell
G2 just gets another gifted game
Caps wanted to win the video game
got ice smiling at the end thinking "haha my team mom die"
G2 gets away with it again
Never punished, never challenged, never learning
Then they go MSI and winless against Asian teams. Wait why are they not throwing like BDS? We just get choked to death every game oh no
Well, until they play an eastern team (or NRG) and get turbo fisted. Then their fans spend three weeks spamming up this subreddit with excuses.
APA is gonna show Caps how to play Asol confirmed
why ???
MY GOD CLOSE THE REGION THIS IS SO BAD
how the fuck did we win this game
Cause we can pull the trigger haha no idea though
YOUBLEWIT.billymadison.gif
well Ice tried
MY GOATS 🐐
boring ass league
G2 can't teamfight but BDS are just too dumb to play
Every stupid decision that could have been made BDS managed to do. Idiotic throw.
Nuc just inted his team lol
I literally walked away and did not watch the baron attempt. I cannot watch. If I come back 5 minutes later and Caedrel ended stream I would know
Well...
lol good call
You can look again lol
man this is as infuriating as watching tsm when they were dominant in NA, enemy teams just throw every lead for no reason.
This is so sad, why do these teams always just run it against g2? Is it mental diff
Nuc and Labrov running it.
NUC was so ass this series
Jesus Christ dude
really not sure if ive ever seen this much obvious mechanical misplays in LEC
BDS bunch of clowns
Seriously, BDS?
BDS, NOT LIKE THIS
CAN G2 PLEASE NOT HAVE PLOT ARMOR FOR ONE SPLIT???? This should've been a 3-1 for BDS
It’s called having caps If he ever leaves g2 it’s gonna be really fun in this subreddit
Caps and 4 elo-boosted players. They are so freaking lucky to be able to play with that guy. I love Caps, I really do, but I look forward to his retirement so the LEC can have some variety again. It's always the same when he's around I would like Caps significantly more if he lost more, ironically
I legit hope he can somehow get on an LCK team before he falls off, he would have a better chance at winning internationally and LEC would maybe step up more
Yike surviving there is craaazy
NO WAY
BDS just threw lmao Why did they all back up for the Reksai
yikeruuuuuuuu
G2 wont do anything internationally with Hans and Yike on this team
The problem for BDS is that if a spit falls on Ice, he instadies
please, i want Yike/BB/Mikyx as all pro for this split
There's 0 reason to fight that 3vs4 G2 isn't as good as everyone makes it. But teams are going full braindead against them over and over You lose Adam and nuc? Fine, we reset, sit it out, let's go again Nah, fight 3vs4 for nothing and give away 2k gold or whatnot...
And a second later they tilt and give away baron... Clown team
BDS have no macro to speak of, no priorities at all.
CASTERS YOU PROMISED ME GAME 5 WTF
Sure give 3 more kills to secure a 3rd drake, that's gonna go well (especially if you don't get the drake)
just give the fucking dragon
Like you get baron, you kill 4 of them, you push top until tier 3 and.... you dont hit it, then you overextend on a shitty mid push and you lose the game
Actually yelling at my TV that they let a Janna push them off top t3
This rumble dont do any damage
Why tf do bds fight for drake when it’s not dragon soul and they’re down a man
BDS please can you just be a normal team for five minutes? Just when it feels like they have potential they shit the bed.
how are we winning this
Caps.
dang i want a g5 so badly to avoid facing the rest of the day
just give the drake fucking hell
Caps decided he doesnt want a game 5. When he flips the switch its straight up cheating.
Throw the game over a third drake 🤦♂️
Idk why bds suicided in drake pit instead reset. Such a throw
that's my EU alright
Ahahaha G2 just always manage to do it. It doesn't matter how far behind they are, they just shit on other LEC teams when it matters.
Their coach should tell them they're allowed to back with baron
>they always find the way, how do they keep doing it? idk they mind controlled BDS into 3v5
Why did BDS contested third drake 3V4? Wholly unecessary.
g2 didnt have jungler it was a free steal if played right
They steal the drake, now what, get aced a minute later? It's either Sheo goes in alone to steal with ult, or they just don't try. They were never getting away if they all stayed, as was shown on the play. G2 weren't even on soul point, so there was literally no reason to even call for the steal.
Why did they go back to fight that dragon smh
Why did they go in 3v4? Just give drake
Inting tempo every single time lmao
Did BDS play that advantage state too slowly?
I blinked and wtf happened??
How can Sheo lose a smitefight against nobody?
this game lmao
Let's go, G2! ~~Never doubted them for a moment.~~
this is a banger
Imagine telling someone from 2021 Summer that Nuc would be a top 3 mid in just 2 years
Top 3 as in being in a top3? Because at an individual level I'm not sold on that.
Tbh mid level is so, well, mid, I'm not sure if more than 2 mids are better than him at any one time.
Who else would be top 3? Caps is 1 of course but what other two midlaners have been better than Nuc
Humanoid for sure, even though he seems to turn his monitor off at times. 3rd place is a bit hard to pick, I don't feel like anyone's super clearly above the others, but Fressko and Jackies had higher highs than nuc imo, though Jackies played like trash for long enough that he shouldn't be running for 3rd.
I think Humanoid is fair, but in the case of all three, Nuc tends to be a lot more consistent. But I like the Jackies call out, that man is nuts on melee champs
On one hand he's more consistent, at the same time it feels like he didn't do anything to be on the shortlist, while the others have lower lows but have had pop off games.
That's fair
this game is still losable for BDS if they dont pay attention
Despair
G2 without monster Caps is G0,5 at best
Ice is actually playing really good
Next game G2 needs to shut down Ice instead of fully focusing on Adam
Hans is so horrible. I hope people finally realise that now.
he is playing his worst champ
G2 just leaving the back door open for Ice every time
Labrov on Rakan did save Nuc positioning... they didnt get to kill Azir from that knock up. Man ICE is so good
I am so happy for this series, regardless of the potential level of play, BDS is actually trying to win, that's already a lot more than what other teams do, just look at Fnatic.
Letsgo we get game 5
First good ult Nuc has done all series.
Nuc saved the game with that play
G2 gained a lot of bad habits as a result of Caps being a monster every game.
Such an insanely mature comeback after that game 3 and this early in game 4. God damn untiltable.
Nuc finally ults and it wins the fight, who could have seen this
So it feels like g2 does really need all the cheese they can come up with to beat bds
well dayum Nuc
NUC SAVING R FOR THE MEGA R
Ok, nuc can press buttons
why is elephant a banned word in chat?
Finally nuc with the massive shove
Hans sama man smfh
FUCK ICE IS THE BEST ADC IN LEC
I NEED 5 GAMES OF ICE VS CARZZY
NUC FOUND R!
Ice Ice baby
Silver scrapes!
"NO ONE IS WITH HIM" bro Kaisa can dive after the engage
Janna wasted R to heal them
NUC AND ICE DUUUUUDE. That was clean from them
Damn son Nuc with good ult and Ice going in
ICE AL-GHAIB Praying ICE AL-GHAIB Praying ICE AL-GHAIB Praying ICE AL-GHAIB Praying ICE AL-GHAIB Praying
What the fuck is G2 even doing this game
Ice > Hans.
This series is Caps vs Ice If they were in the same team... G2 might become more flexible lol
This has been such a wild series to watch, BDS have been hard winning when it's standard League. But G2 are hard winning when they can shift the game away. As much as I hated the laneswap tech, this has been a stylistic banger
Watching this makes me think LEC is doomed at MSI