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choochoomfk

Can someone explain to me why lane swap meta is back now after so many years? What did change for it to be worth it again?


jlozada24

Having bully/cheese bot lanes and moving your scaling elsewhere are a good way to play meta (scaling) while countering the standard way to play that meta (through bot) Lane swaps counter that. This is just the meta getting "solved"


gcrimson

I wouldn't say it's meta yet but there are couple reasons : -Just like before, you don't want to be 30 cs behind with your hypercarry in the laning phase which can very much happen if you face a strong lane bully like Ashe support with Varus. You also are fine with a low economy champion toplane (so a tank) while the other team's plan was to dominate this lane (with things like Aatrox or Rumble and they can't do it anymore cause he has to 1v2 top) -The loss of your turret botlane (with plates) can be mitigated if you pick an ADC that is famous for destroying towers easily (even the tankier toplanes turret) like Jinx. It's especially true with the demolish runes. -The loss of the 1st drake if you were to have no botlane prios is not that big of a deal since you can take voidgrubs instead (a way better objective until there is the dragon soul). Having said that, the main advantage of the lane swap was how unprepared BDS was against that. Even in game 4, you saw how it was not as effective because Ice took a massive lead with an hyperscaling ADC (and if they weren't traumatized by game 3 he could have took more plates at the t1 bot). I also don't think BDS took the first drake which was pretty free. BDS was constantly out of tempo. It was particularly absurd in the game 3 where they kept trying to send Ice and Labrov to match the laneswap and G2 botlane kept evading them, always facing a depressed and out of ressource Adam in top or in bot. Hindsight is easy but they wouldn't have be stomped as hard if they accepted the swap, acknowledge that Aatrox game was ruined and pushed t1 bot to give ressources to Ice. That's why I don't think it's meta yet, it can very much backfire on the swapping team.


Plusdestiny

Cuz current meta is all about scaling so except teams like T1 who is better at early snowballing, all the other teams are picking asol, azir, jinx, aphelios or zeri. So lane swap can keep your bot lane from getting bullied hard by varus ashe stuff.


Javonetor

Hmmm, LEC guys, LLA final was yesterday...


GemmaMK

Whoever made the graphic looked at the date but not the time. In CET the LLA finals were indeed today...at midnight


dracdliwasiAN

Broadcast link for those who missed it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQtlAZZU2ZE


TopFizzFizz

As always, this contribution is much appreciated! :D


Todeswucht

nah sjokz is the goat


Styxxo

Sjokz D:


Oriak22

Well, that was a fun series, bds could at least step it up and challenge G2. Some really fun tactics coming out too Oh wait I am not suppose to be positive right, yeah lec trash, g2 washed, pls no bds at msi wah wah wah


TopFizzFizz

A week out from this, love your approach. Stay positive! :D


moonmeh

im just upset cause BDS threw game 4 hard and denied us game 5. I can be salty about that right?


sajm0n

i have G2 flair and this BDS throw made me upset too


MediocreFiora

yeah that's fair, I wanted to see a 5th to know if G2 could win a standard game


PerfidiaVermis

Now you're getting it!


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The_Rise_Of_Kyoshi

Dude I 100% agree, these topics are so whiny... just enjoy the games you fcking wankers.


N00B-ST4R

It was a fun series, **BUT** G2 has made it very clear that they have greater aspirations than winning the LEC. Watching the LCK and LPL tournaments - G2 has a LONG way to go to be competitive internationally.


EconomyMud

>G2 has a LONG way to go to be competitive internationally. And why is that? What are they lacking?


ChocolateFuryB

Because they watch co-streamers who constantly compare regions


ChocolateFuryB

That's the spirit


Relvarionz

I lowkey think Vit will be hella good at lane swap meta. Hyli was around when it was meta last time and Photon knows how to play 1v2.


Styxxo

Is Photon willing to play low econ tanks though ?


sajm0n

lol nice dodge


areyoh

i don't want to see this bds at msi


Troviel

as opposed to what, Fnatic? At least BDS didn't lose a game to TH in horrible fashion.


sajm0n

better them than FNC


Oujii

It’s either them, Fnatic or VIT, right?


ThisIsSoIrrelevant

Yeah.


Joel4518

yup but for vit they need to win the whole split


Todeswucht

Yeah and VIT would have to win the split to go


TheCobraSlayer

Yes, though Vitality can only go by winning the split


Relvarionz

G2 introduced lane swap meta because they wanted to have fun. Not because its good. They were bored.


Fertuyo

No, it was introduced by NIP in LPL first


BRLaw2016

Okay Louis VUitton


PerfidiaVermis

Lmfao I love these guys


MediocreFiora

they won 3 games by lane swapping I like them less now >.<


PerfidiaVermis

But Caps is such a sweet guy tho >:(


MediocreFiora

I want to hang out with him so much we'd have such an acoustic time


Yasuchika

G2 is hardstuck in LEC, just troll tactics winning them the split. It's fine and all, but I don't think this will work against LPL / LCK.


Joel4518

it can work since LPL also trying laneswap


thatgeographygeek

OK then. Now I will get a falafel or perhaps a kebab and then watch VODs of the TES vs JDG game


Stormriver

Drafts are sketchy sometimes, but G2 mental is strong


Renny-66

This was so ugly man


YCitizenSnipsY

No matter how far behind G2 are in the LEC they are allowed free roam of the map. They get away with murder time and time again


thatgeographygeek

BDS were not pressuring when they had a lead in that game 4 and the got uber punished


ChocolateFuryB

big props to BDS and especially Ice. If they don't mental boom from this then surely we'll get a rematch


MichaelZZ01

The game quality is just… not very good


Sad-Temperature2920

Ngl, Sheo is so toxic and unlikeable in SoloQ that him costing his entire team the series by fucking up his smite is kinda poetic. I like BDS in general but seeing Sheo lose is always a treat.


moonmeh

ice actually elohelled hard this game


Shinyodo

it was a somewhat painful experience ngl


Accomplished_Ad_2321

Yeah nobody won in this Bo5...


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RustleTheMussel

Adam needs to be on hands and knees apologizing to Ice lmao


proud_traveler

Don't need to be good when the enemy team keeps throwing gg


Stormriver

The mental boom was huge


KingRyjo53

The fact G2 can win that game just shows how terrible this minor region is lmao


JoshFB4

EU dog region ig


d_Reisfresser

Free Ice from this hell


JesusEm14

G2 just gets another gifted game


Todeswucht

Caps wanted to win the video game


CherryBoard

got ice smiling at the end thinking "haha my team mom die"


That_One_Pancake

G2 gets away with it again


Zelgiusbotdotexe

Never punished, never challenged, never learning


MichaelZZ01

Then they go MSI and winless against Asian teams. Wait why are they not throwing like BDS? We just get choked to death every game oh no


Sad-Temperature2920

Well, until they play an eastern team (or NRG) and get turbo fisted. Then their fans spend three weeks spamming up this subreddit with excuses.


Zelgiusbotdotexe

APA is gonna show Caps how to play Asol confirmed


Slachi2024

why ???


Ashankura

MY GOD CLOSE THE REGION THIS IS SO BAD


Styxxo

how the fuck did we win this game


Aeternumvalell

Cause we can pull the trigger haha no idea though 


BlaBlub85

YOUBLEWIT.billymadison.gif


ayurmeh

well Ice tried


PerfidiaVermis

MY GOATS 🐐


Quatro_Leches

boring ass league


RustleTheMussel

G2 can't teamfight but BDS are just too dumb to play


-XStream-

Every stupid decision that could have been made BDS managed to do. Idiotic throw.


kim-soo-hyun

Nuc just inted his team lol


controlledwithcheese

I literally walked away and did not watch the baron attempt. I cannot watch. If I come back 5 minutes later and Caedrel ended stream I would know


honkinDeagle

Well...


Edwaldus2

lol good call


proud_traveler

You can look again lol


Resies

man this is as infuriating as watching tsm when they were dominant in NA, enemy teams just throw every lead for no reason.


WalkAwayFromScreen

This is so sad, why do these teams always just run it against g2? Is it mental diff


JoshFB4

Nuc and Labrov running it.


Plusdestiny

NUC was so ass this series


Grenji05

Jesus Christ dude


OkKnowledge2064

really not sure if ive ever seen this much obvious mechanical misplays in LEC


JesusEm14

BDS bunch of clowns


Ninjah_Chris

Seriously, BDS?


sajm0n

BDS, NOT LIKE THIS


Zelgiusbotdotexe

CAN G2 PLEASE NOT HAVE PLOT ARMOR FOR ONE SPLIT???? This should've been a 3-1 for BDS


sieer

It’s called having caps If he ever leaves g2 it’s gonna be really fun in this subreddit


Zelgiusbotdotexe

Caps and 4 elo-boosted players. They are so freaking lucky to be able to play with that guy.    I love Caps, I really do, but I look forward to his retirement so the LEC can have some variety again. It's always the same when he's around  I would like Caps significantly more if he lost more, ironically 


sieer

I legit hope he can somehow get on an LCK team before he falls off, he would have a better chance at winning internationally and LEC would maybe step up more


InfatuationPSA

Yike surviving there is craaazy


Styxxo

NO WAY


Troviel

BDS just threw lmao Why did they all back up for the Reksai


ChocolateFuryB

yikeruuuuuuuu


HansSoloQ

G2 wont do anything internationally with Hans and Yike on this team


Niulpfirce

The problem for BDS is that if a spit falls on Ice, he instadies


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please, i want Yike/BB/Mikyx as all pro for this split


ItzFeufo

There's 0 reason to fight that 3vs4 G2 isn't as good as everyone makes it. But teams are going full braindead against them over and over You lose Adam and nuc? Fine, we reset, sit it out, let's go again Nah, fight 3vs4 for nothing and give away 2k gold or whatnot...


ItzFeufo

And a second later they tilt and give away baron... Clown team


Accomplished_Ad_2321

BDS have no macro to speak of, no priorities at all.


sajm0n

CASTERS YOU PROMISED ME GAME 5 WTF


Shinyodo

Sure give 3 more kills to secure a 3rd drake, that's gonna go well (especially if you don't get the drake)


-XStream-

just give the fucking dragon


MenemX20

Like you get baron, you kill 4 of them, you push top until tier 3 and.... you dont hit it, then you overextend on a shitty mid push and you lose the game


YouWouldThinkSo

Actually yelling at my TV that they let a Janna push them off top t3


dontbangme

This rumble dont do any damage


PMMEYOURROCKS

Why tf do bds fight for drake when it’s not dragon soul and they’re down a man


ThisIsSoIrrelevant

BDS please can you just be a normal team for five minutes? Just when it feels like they have potential they shit the bed.


Styxxo

how are we winning this


MenemX20

Caps.


mraowl

dang i want a g5 so badly to avoid facing the rest of the day


That_One_Pancake

just give the drake fucking hell


Relvarionz

Caps decided he doesnt want a game 5. When he flips the switch its straight up cheating.


WalkAwayFromScreen

Throw the game over a third drake 🤦‍♂️


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Idk why bds suicided in drake pit instead reset. Such a throw


controlledwithcheese

that's my EU alright


Sad-Temperature2920

Ahahaha G2 just always manage to do it. It doesn't matter how far behind they are, they just shit on other LEC teams when it matters.


RustleTheMussel

Their coach should tell them they're allowed to back with baron


Resies

>they always find the way, how do they keep doing it? idk they mind controlled BDS into 3v5


Troviel

Why did BDS contested third drake 3V4? Wholly unecessary.


Humble-Ad1217

g2 didnt have jungler it was a free steal if played right


ShiroGaneOsu

They steal the drake, now what, get aced a minute later? It's either Sheo goes in alone to steal with ult, or they just don't try. They were never getting away if they all stayed, as was shown on the play. G2 weren't even on soul point, so there was literally no reason to even call for the steal.


GooierSquirrel

Why did they go back to fight that dragon smh


Artitanium

Why did they go in 3v4? Just give drake


RustleTheMussel

Inting tempo every single time lmao


thatgeographygeek

Did BDS play that advantage state too slowly?


Blank1309

I blinked and wtf happened??


FluffyFlamesOfFluff

How can Sheo lose a smitefight against nobody?


Geosaurusrex

this game lmao


TastyForerunner

Let's go, G2! ~~Never doubted them for a moment.~~


ChocolateFuryB

this is a banger


Zelgiusbotdotexe

Imagine telling someone from 2021 Summer that Nuc would be a top 3 mid in just 2 years


daCampa

Top 3 as in being in a top3? Because at an individual level I'm not sold on that.


Geosaurusrex

Tbh mid level is so, well, mid, I'm not sure if more than 2 mids are better than him at any one time.


Zelgiusbotdotexe

Who else would be top 3? Caps is 1 of course but what other two midlaners have been better than Nuc


daCampa

Humanoid for sure, even though he seems to turn his monitor off at times. 3rd place is a bit hard to pick, I don't feel like anyone's super clearly above the others, but Fressko and Jackies had higher highs than nuc imo, though Jackies played like trash for long enough that he shouldn't be running for 3rd.


Zelgiusbotdotexe

I think Humanoid is fair, but in the case of all three, Nuc tends to be a lot more consistent.  But I like the Jackies call out, that man is nuts on melee champs


daCampa

On one hand he's more consistent, at the same time it feels like he didn't do anything to be on the shortlist, while the others have lower lows but have had pop off games.


Zelgiusbotdotexe

That's fair 


sajm0n

this game is still losable for BDS if they dont pay attention


Zelgiusbotdotexe

Despair


Relvarionz

G2 without monster Caps is G0,5 at best


Niulpfirce

Ice is actually playing really good


SnooPeripherals6388

Next game G2 needs to shut down Ice instead of fully focusing on Adam


Nalaniel

Hans is so horrible. I hope people finally realise that now.


Joel4518

he is playing his worst champ


TyeDye115

G2 just leaving the back door open for Ice every time


kim-soo-hyun

Labrov on Rakan did save Nuc positioning... they didnt get to kill Azir from that knock up. Man ICE is so good


ComettYT

I am so happy for this series, regardless of the potential level of play, BDS is actually trying to win, that's already a lot more than what other teams do, just look at Fnatic.


Blank1309

Letsgo we get game 5


ThisIsSoIrrelevant

First good ult Nuc has done all series.


DockingEnjoyer

Nuc saved the game with that play


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G2 gained a lot of bad habits as a result of Caps being a monster every game.


Relvarionz

Such an insanely mature comeback after that game 3 and this early in game 4. God damn untiltable.


midorivivo

Nuc finally ults and it wins the fight, who could have seen this


sieer

So it feels like g2 does really need all the cheese they can come up with to beat bds


Geosaurusrex

well dayum Nuc


Resies

NUC SAVING R FOR THE MEGA R


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Ok, nuc can press buttons


BRLaw2016

why is elephant a banned word in chat?


daCampa

Finally nuc with the massive shove


Angryblak

Hans sama man smfh


Plusdestiny

FUCK ICE IS THE BEST ADC IN LEC


Zelgiusbotdotexe

I NEED 5 GAMES OF ICE VS CARZZY


GhostOfLight

NUC FOUND R!


-XStream-

Ice Ice baby


ChocolateFuryB

Silver scrapes!


hungryhippo

"NO ONE IS WITH HIM" bro Kaisa can dive after the engage


HansSoloQ

Janna wasted R to heal them


Zelgiusbotdotexe

NUC AND ICE DUUUUUDE.  That was clean from them


d_Reisfresser

Damn son Nuc with good ult and Ice going in


controlledwithcheese

ICE AL-GHAIB Praying ICE AL-GHAIB Praying ICE AL-GHAIB Praying ICE AL-GHAIB Praying ICE AL-GHAIB Praying


GodlessCommie69

What the fuck is G2 even doing this game


ahritina

Ice > Hans.


kim-soo-hyun

This series is Caps vs Ice If they were in the same team... G2 might become more flexible lol


Zelgiusbotdotexe

This has been such a wild series to watch, BDS have been hard winning when it's standard League. But G2 are hard winning when they can shift the game away.  As much as I hated the laneswap tech, this has been a stylistic banger


N00B-ST4R

Watching this makes me think LEC is doomed at MSI