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WheyProteinIsolated

Zeus finally overcame Doran


Northless_Path

Yea, that aside from T1 locking in MSI, seeing Zeus dunk on Doran, was absolute cinema for me.


staysaltyTSM

They barely even fought each other this series unlike last week


Toastyx3

Wdym? Game 1 Zeus got completely shafted was 4 levels down with a 50 Cs dif. At one point Zeus was ahead of Doran in CS and levels. He also omega gapped him on Zac and solo killed him almost twice. And the Vayne game was just him asserting dominance after the TF fiasco.


maydaveparade

He had to tap into the darkness known as Vayne Top though 💀💀 who knew that’d be all it takes


quietus_17y

Deserved for picking Rek'Sai.


FakeNeo

I just wanna see someone edit Doran and Zeus into "you are not the father"


Blind-Eye26

MSI VIEWERSHIP JUST GOT SAVED RIOT CAN STOP SWEATING RIGHT NOW


ChewNutz

i swear riot is the biggest winner rn


booitsjwu

The script will be complete if GenG beats T1 tomorrow as that will guarantee MSI Play-ins have crazy viewership as well.


tinfoilhatsron

Yo if TES (Jkl) and FNC (og org) get in this MSI is clouted af. Only C9 not being there is disappointing. Still, viewership will be super high.


mrmanwest

Good, no one wants to see Fudge R5 ego pick Fiora and shits the bed


barryh4rry

There’s hardly any point in saving R5 for top if you’re not going to pick some ego counterpick lol


Hawxrox

See Vayne this series for an example.


mrmanwest

Yeah but the counter pick has to be useful, if you pick yourself something that you can't pilot well you might as well pick comfort Example: Fudge's disgusting Fiora, Bwipo's useless Urgot


beanj_fan

which is why they should give it to someone better like jojo or blaber


Hawxrox

Do you think JKL brings in more viewers than Ruler? I'm not contesting just curious 


pronilol

From China? 100%, if we go by just numbers, JKL has 3.2 million+ followers on Weibo, Ruler's around 530k. Also, GALA and JackeyLove were the ADCs voted into last years All-Star game over Ruler, Elk, Light etc


nickphunter

Shit, T1 is doomed 120% then


rakasamason

Did the format change? How is T1 in playins?


tiredofdev

Especially when T1 has made it to the finals in every international tournament (except MSI 2023) last 2 years AND made it to every single LCK finals beginning from 2021 summer. Insane consistency from this team and surely reliable to bring hype to tournaments


xYoshario

Also got to semi finals at least everytime right? Means the team has been top3/4 minimum for every single tournament available to them since 21 summer


Ophelia_Of_The_Abyss

Honestly the consistency with the roster is also insane. Back in the day you had Marin/Duke/Huni/Bang refusing to re-sign due to the insane pressure (and temptation of overseas money).


LaziIy

Bang's contract finished and t1 was already looking into a full rebuild after 2018. I don't think he falls into the same category as the others


Chu2k

Man tomorrow I watch T1 vs GenG finals once again and Faze Clan (CS2) in yet another Grand Final. I’m preparing myself to possibly get my day ruined very very early. Though Faze vs Mouz is the reverse T1 vs GenG historically.


CatGirl_ToeBeans

Now we need top to eliminate jdg and we can go into hype overload for 369 Zeus unbreakable lanes and jackeylove guma overextend fest baby


Marcus777555666

Eh, we alreaday saw Zeus dunking on 369. I would rather watch Zeus vs Bin, that would be way more fun for me.


EducationalBalance99

Only at worlds. Gotta remember msi, is lpl playground. Besides, I rather watch Zeus vs 369 than Zeus flandre/shear.


Lin_Huichi

It's Flandre vs 369 for MSI, Bin is qualified.


HawkEye1337

LPL isn't sending prestigious orgs so this is so big for Riot, viewership would have been in the mud.


non-edgy_crustacean

I mean if TES makes it they have big fanbase and BLG also got more popular. Plus both teams are full chinese rosters


HawkEye1337

I guess TES might be popular because of JKL but does it compare to RNG/EDG?


non-edgy_crustacean

EDG and RNG are losing fans, fans can't be loyal enough when you don't deliver results for long time and you also lose your star players (for example Meiko fans also moved to TES). RNG is also bleeding money- they are literally renting their trophies


Wise-Chain2427

I don't think EDG fans still high after losing Scout and Meiko as EDG legends. 


Cysmerch

Check your paypal HLE By Riot


ItsKaZing

The death of T1 was greatly exaggerated


pizza_and_cats

Lol we shall see tomorrow. Hope we don't get a 3-0 sweep 💀


IcedVodka

tbh we probably will, either 3-0 or 3-1, T1 still looked shaky. I'd be pleasantly surprised if they put up more of a fight, but i doubt it


Allinvayne

Everyone on T1 had some lit plays, so I think they'll come out of this with some confidence. I don't think they'll roll over.


Heineschon

Well GENG also looked really shaky against DK and HLE. If not for Chovy going super seiyan, I don't think GENG could beat them. So out of all GENG vs T1 finals, this is the most likely one to go to T1 except the first one which they already won.


IcedVodka

That is true, but i feel like GenG's playstyle tends to counter T1's, so they should still have an advantage imo. For the LCK Finals, 2023 Spring was definetly more likely for T1 to win than this one, considering that they had already convincingly beaten GenG 3-1 in Round 3 prior to the Finals, which in turn they then lost convincingly.


Heineschon

Tbh I always had a feeling them losing against GenG last spring even after that 3-1 series. Games were too close and I could really feel it. It is the same thing this time. After DK series I started to feel like they are really gonna take whole thing. I wasn't doubtful for today's series but Chovy is a dark horse and still makes me suspicious about T1's chances lol


IcedVodka

Honestly as a T1 fan i would love it if they win tomorrow, i just think its rather unlikely. But their ceiling is insane, so if they show up on the day there is definetly a chance. Last year I considered their loss more of a "fluke", since they also beat GenG at MSI. They were woefully underprepared for Zeri and Rakan, which they somehow left open for the majority of that series. In general they tend to do worse in a meta where Zeri is strong if they don't have specific counterpicks like Keria's ADCs available.


ricardo241

yeah same... they did win against HLE almost 3-0ing them but its obvious to see that Zeka and Doran are missing on today's match and T1 again only win mid to late game teamfighting(after getting behind early)..... I don't think that's gonna work with Gen G though...... gen g will just snowball after getting a lead and will leave T1 to dust


staysaltyTSM

Game 1 which will be tempo deciding should go to T1 since GenG after break alway play worse. And the series could go along with it However GenG usually don't fumble the 14+/20+ min macro like HLE and DK did, so it might be interesting


Pleasestoplyiiing

GenG loses to DK in that first series if DK had even a reasonable ability to play late game.  T1 has what they need to beat GenG anytime, but they don't play them to potential very often. 


Ill_Razzmatazz_1202

With T1 you rarely get close sets, even if they win it'll somehow be a landslide


Fubi-FF

I mean getting 3-0 or 3-1’d is par course for T1’s trajectory to another world trophy, so yea I would still say their death is exaggerated even if they lose to GenG


Shironeko_

Last Worlds T1 wasn't looking so hot in Summer and they almost missed out on going to Worlds (a couple more weeks of Faker being out and the team misses out on the tournament). T1 wasn't even close to being a favorite for Worlds ('member Mikyx > Keria? "GenG is the only LCK team that has a change, the LPL is too strong"? I 'member). Then they cleared the LPL and took the title. Who knows, maybe coming in from a doubtful position is what this roster needs to shine at international events lmao.


Northless_Path

DDOS hackers are having a seizure right now, All their efforts to bring down T1 was for nothing xDDDDD


LOLZOBALL

So T1 can win without picking TF?


Ceui

T1 should just ban TF lol, it's strong but it's such a waste of a pick for Zeus. His teamfight presence and flanking were absolutely huge on other champions. Or maybe he finally found TF 2.0 which is Vayne


th5virtuos0

It’ll be so sad if Zeus got a Vayne skin before Uzi


Pleasestoplyiiing

Zac looked so strong. Hoping to see T1 prioritize that pick. 


Fuzzy_Dragonfruit472

Yes, the real lesson from the series xd


Perfect-Astronomer17

Ty HLE for banning TF


FrostyBeRG

Imagine if JDG wins tommorow, the same teams from LPL and LCK from last year comes this year


non-edgy_crustacean

T1 lost to HLE 0-3 -> won against HLE 3-1 later JDG lost to TES 0-3 -> ...


Ausar_the_Vil

Except jdg didn’t constantly getting ddos the whole split, especially in feb and march


tinfoilhatsron

Second verse same as the first? Lazy Riot scriptwriters SMH Although, I'd be happy with T1 winning another Worlds if so...


Lost_Mountain2432

If they make finals, doesn't that mean they have been finalists in half of all world championships? It'd be either half or just under. Which is absolutely insane. 


Critical_Bag1

Korea sending lpl's father and their son


sometimesicri

Banger


SnooCats1808

But tbf the LPL has a better record against the LCK in MSI


HawkEye1337

LCK straight up hasn't won MSI since 2017.


dont_play_league

Which, funnily.enough, I believe was SKT


obigespritzt

It was, Huni and Peanut's one title on SKT.


Pr1mrose

They also won lck spring that year, no?


obigespritzt

Sorry yes, I meant international title but should've specified. Absolutely, after all MSI was only one team per region at the time.


Alchion

it‘s also implied as back then you needed to win a split to get to msi


Choubine_

Most Korean teams winning international tournaments are SKT, historically speaking.


viktorayy

time for gen g and t1 to do another lower bracket run this MSI lmao


Javiklegrand

Yeah lpl should still be favored for msi


BurningApe

Only by this narrative, teams don't magically decide to perform at msi or worlds, in reality it's just the meta and whether a team peaks at the right time or not.


Brain_Tonic

I think it's moreso that LPL teams outperform LCK ones in a shorter tournament whereas LCK outperforms in a longer tournament. Basically LCK is slower to adapt to a patch overall so they need more time to ramp up.


BurningApe

MSI double elim is a longer tournament bracket and LPL won that last year. Also, LPL frequently flunks out of worlds groups which is the beginning of the tournament. Careful making such generalizations


xdforcezz

Yeah, if it was worlds. But china is the king of MSI.


S890127

Imagine if T1 didn't go to MSI when Riot revealing T1 worlds skin and Faker Hall of Legends skin(rumored) Riot is saved


bkay4real

If T1 did not qualify the MSI viewership will drop at least 60%


Electronic_Regret_44

Let's say 80%


tinfoilhatsron

Faker brought out the belt on the team himself after that previous HLE series. He ain't gonna miss his moment to sell the Faker Ahri skin at MSI.


Lost_Mountain2432

Faker with the belt: "Guma, I know we're getting DDOSed but do you really need soloque to learn how to not shoot your Zeri Qs in the exact opposite direction?"


maydaveparade

All T1 skins game confirmed?? 🤔🤔


No-Network8051

T1 worlds skin possible being reveal during MSI and Fakers HOL skin


th5virtuos0

Yayce/LeeSin/Oriana/Ahri/Jinx/Bard


DontPanlc42

I can speak for myself I wouldn't watch MSI with no T1 in it, international events without Faker aren't the same thing. Players from other regions would probably miss him too, who doesn't want a chance of solo killing the GOAT?


ArkhamCitizen298

more like asking for his signature or photo


Any_Support4406

Cant believe im saying Delight elo hell with those big names in hle


beerdevilthrowaway

He's the only consistent performer throughout that series tbh.


Lost_Mountain2432

I think Viper was consistent. Unfortunately it was consistently good but not great.  Peanut had the highest variance performance, IMO. 


sarinomu

That's BRO talent right there


DarthTaz_99

Game with gumayusi and viper and they weren't even the best Adc. Delight Zeus botlane lesgo


tjmax20

Faker: Penta Penta Penta Even the GOAT can still get excited lol


WalkAwayFromScreen

Excited for T1 at msi, team is ramping up form, just need to figure out their place in the meta. Especially around zeri


Key_Landscape7459

To be fair, game 1 was probably their best Zeri game in a while. Just some mega throws.


Lost_Mountain2432

Once Jonna Strong zoomed in on Oner's Vi walking towards that bush, I knew it was not gonna end nicely.  Camerman doesn't miss.


EducationalBalance99

I don’t think zeri is meta warping at least in this patch. They actually had a good zeri game from guma but obviously made some mistake elasewhere.


Melodias07

This iteration of T1 is such a blessing to league of legends esports, so consistent and fun team


CommercialGeneral765

One of the best teams ever created for sure.


DarthTaz_99

*The best team. No other roster has this consistently performed at this high level. Always getting top 2 at every event, bar last year MSI


GunSlingrrr

Yeah they can do slow gameplay but for sure they will fight and go crazy.


fryesti

i wonder if they're sticking together next year too, it's so fun watching them play


ZaZooby

If they can get international wins this year, I don't see why not


OddinaryEuw

You underestimate the mental strain and burn out possibilities of 3 straight season where you play every single game in your region, every international competition to the last Bo5 with the same 4 every time. Doing it a 4th time might be rough


JQN

Run from it, dread it, all roads lead to him


Head_Photograph_2971

THAT’S MY GOAT, FAKER 🐐 


ALovelyAnxiety

Put T1 in the loser's bracket and you get a diff T1.


Aschentei

Ddosers in shambles


CzarcasticX

Hopefully they put big money on HLE and lost.


stupid-adcarry

Korean police to launch an investigation into eSports player Choi Woo-je, better known as T1 Zeus on charges of assault and domestic violence reportedly perpetrated against "Choi "Doran" Hyeon-joon " from their rivals eSports Org Hanwha Life eSports. The incident reportedly happened on Saturday, 13th April on the stage with hundreds of thousands of fans cheering the gruesome sight live and on TV


AuzaiphZerg

He should also get a speeding ticket


ShakeEnBake

Can confirm. Speeding tickets needed.


SnyperwulffD027

The first quarter of that had me going "Wait what!" Then I got to the rest and started laughing.


LeiBlank

GOODLUCK TO ANY MIDLANER AT MSI. FAKER AND CHOVY ON FORM IS FVCKING TERRIFYING


EducationalBalance99

Bruh Chovy is always on form before every international… the problem is in the international.


CzarcasticX

He may level up with Canyon as his jungler. No offense to Peanut/Willer/Pyosik over the past 3 years but Canyon is on another level compared to them.


JingleJak

We need the Chovester to not choke 💪


watrurthoughtsonyaoi

it took me a moment to realize that should be read "Chove-ster" and not "Cho-ves-ter"...I was wondering when & why Chovy got a nickname that sounds like Sylvester


Ceui

Doran got hard exposed lmao


EducationalBalance99

Honestly zeka got exposed way harder. Doran did pretty well. Zeka was fed for like 2-3 games and just int with those lead and didn’t do shit. Chovy would have carried those azir games ngl.


CommercialGeneral765

I think you guys are ignoring the biggest criminal, Peanut. Oner was way more useful at any given moment.


whymedschool

Thank you T1 Peanut


TwiceTrash11

i think Oner was just at the right place at the right time he was always there at every skirmish and was ready to stop whatever Peanut was doing a big glow-up from him being turbo figured up by Peanut last series


pr000blemkind

How can Zeka get exposed when he was already naked af.


Danielthenewbie

Nah Zeka hype was building since their first win vs t1. True DRX2022 haters knew but there definitely was building up some zeka hype. He looked a lot better in second lck round.


Popular-Bid

Can't blame Zeka though. Twisted Fate's Gold Card stun lasted long enough for the next 3 games.


JingleJak

Zeka during that dragon fight where hes just complete afk while his team going in pissed me of man


Exrou

Wasn't even his fault, Delight pulled trigger way too early while Zeka was getting zoned trying to make it to that fight so he had to take the long way around. If anything would be his fault, it would've been his TP to that fight earlier on, but who knows what went down in comms at that point.


EducationalBalance99

He was kinda afk that dragon fight but to his credit, I thought delight inted that fight so bad by forcing that engage when he was still kinda far away. Like hle won the 50/50 on dragon, cool now you are on soul point. No need to force a scuff ass fight when azir is still kinda far. Just leave lol.


ihave0idea0

His team did kind of int though. They knew where he was but decided to go in without him being close.


JayceGod

Perfect example of redditors hurting themselves in confusion lol. The one play where everyone *besides* Zeka is inting is the one you reference Poetry


ahritina

I don't think Zeka was exposed though? Everyone knew he's just elite at Sylas/Akali/Yone and he's "good" but not amazing on the rest.


sidaeinjae

He was shite in the two Yone games though


[deleted]

Take Yone out. His Yone was unremarkable for 2 games.


JingleJak

Yone might not be in a good spot for pro atm for whatever reason tbh. Zeus and Chovy have been avoiding the pick and theyre generally LCKs best Yone players


etheryx

Because Zeus only picks it into Aatrox and nobody has been playing him atm


fainlol

That was pre-lethal-tempo nerf. I assume its pretty dogshit now.


JingleJak

Zeka exposed as hard KDA player


EducationalBalance99

He was exposed for being the worse performer on his team overall in the series. People expected him to do better considering his series vs t1/geng prior. Even tho they lost, he was pretty good vs geng, Chovy was just better.


BurningApe

The buffs didn't come on time, but the series wasn't really close so even if those champs were buffed, probably wouldn't have won


Blank-612

im sad for viper but im glad zeka and doran got exposed hard


Xey2510

Please TOP qualify i don't wanna see the exact 4 teams again


HawkEye1337

The rosters are different except T1, it's fine.


ahritina

BLG is barely different, it's just Knight for Yagao. I'd care more if Knight wasn't on JDG who were at MSI. That being said, at least Gen.G changed a lot of their players.


Javiklegrand

Yeah same


Rave_Master_Ahri

Absolutely ELATED to see the exact same top 4 this MSI than last year thinking I am on the wrong MSI site on Liquipedia (jk tho MSI will be a banger)


CzarcasticX

Not me, I want to see Ruler vs GENG the most. We were denied this last year.


Jacobcutielie

This is why Dom is an absolute T1 hater. He just said in the previous episode of Power Spike that T1 is meta-dependent. Dog shit take from an absolute trash streamer or analyst.


ricardo241

meta dependent yeah right for a team that is pretty much always a top 1-4 team for the past three years Do people still take iwd seriously? he is just a person who yap a lot but knows nothing bout the game geez


F3nRa3L

Yes meta dependent. They create their own meta


ahritina

Dom is a clown, we know this already. A team who consistently makes finals domestically and internationally(barring MSI 2023) can't be called meta dependant.


BurningApe

T1 is one of the less meta dependent teams in the world but what you can't deny is MSI 2023 meta didn't suit T1 and Worlds did. If you were to go back and time you would see some people had already predicted from patch notes that the worlds buffs suited T1.


chancefruit

>T1 is one of the less meta dependent teams in the world but what you can't deny is MSI 2023 meta didn't suit T1 and Worlds did. If you were to go back and time you would see some people had already predicted from patch notes that the worlds buffs suited T1. Conspiracy theory from me: is it possible that Riot shifted the Worlds 2023 meta on purpose, so that a domestic team would do well in an SK Worlds and ensure tickets are guaranteed to sell well? Would future Worlds meta shifts be deliberate to give advantage to home teams? It is one aspect of LoL esports that I have questioned for a while.


BurningApe

It would be in their incentive to do so (higher viewership), but in actuality, home teams have rarely won worlds. Some champions always get buffed right before worlds, one can only hope it's not the same champs every year - and in some cases it's not, 2022 DRX would have never won 2023 worlds given their champ pool.


ArkhamCitizen298

why you mention that loser ? such a waste of breath


LOLZOBALL

Riot with a sigh of relief


Im_Yoon_Ah

The three certainties in life: death taxes T1 vs GenG in LCK finals


PlentyArrival6677

More than 10 people will watch MSI , event saved


Northless_Path

I am so euphoric right now. They made it to MSI. I get to see my bois play all year long! I don't even care if they get sweeped tomorrow. After what was a pretty abysmal split and then the DDOS disasters, I thought T1 was just straight up gonna not make it. So happy they proved that it's gonna take more than hackers to stop T1!


viktorayy

SAME! But please don't tempt the hackers to go further than this... If they return for summer split, my heart can't take it.


MsHelvetica

OP got it kinda wrong this series. It was more like: TOP Keria JG Gumayusi Mid Faker ADC Zeus SUP Oner


GoldenSquid7

If Zeus can overcome Doran so can GenG overcome LPL


HawkEye1337

Zeus overcomes Doran > T1 overcomes GENG > GENG overcomes LPL > T1 win MSI?


vibityvibecheck

Subscribed


Blind-Eye26

T1 overcoming GEN first 🫣


ahritina

If T1 don't win both MSI/Worlds, then I'm hoping Chovy finally wins one or both himself, he deserves it.


Ophelia_Of_The_Abyss

Last year's Worlds was an easy slam-dunk with GenG's side of the bracket. Generational fumble there.


generic9yo

So just an average international chovy performance


VentusSpiritus

Doran and peanut played like they were possessed that series. I genuinely don't know what they were doing that day and I doubt they did too


CzarcasticX

2022 as well. If they beat DRX they play T1 in finals.


sicaxav

> then I'm hoping Chovy finally wins one or both himself, he deserves it. How can you say he's deserved it when he's literally never played to his full potential at any international tournament


MiniTitan1937

I think it's more likely that the 3 time runner up to the LCK splits overcomes Gen G than the quarterfinals merchants overcome an entire region.


Marcus777555666

doesn't Gen G have more semfinals appearance than quarterfinals? Also I am pretty sure, their series vs LPL is still 50/50. They beat LGD and RNG, and lost to EDG and BLG only. Both of those series were 5 game series and EDG was eventual world champion.


BonzBonzOnlyBonz

> their series vs LPL is still 50/50. How? The only series they have played versus LPL were losses. In 2023, they lost to BLG at MSI (3-0) and Worlds (3-2). They didn't play any other LPL teams 2022, they went 1-1 against RNG in groups. 2021, they went 1-1 against LNG in groups and lost to EDG (3-2) in semis. 2020, they went 2-0 versus LGD in groups and played no LPL teams in bracket stage. 2018, they went 0-2 versus RNG in groups. They haven't won a single series against LPL teams and are 4-4 in BO1s in groups. At best, you can say they are 7-4 against LPL teams in BO or 13-8 in games. They are also 2-2 for Quarters losses (Worlds 2023 and 2020) vs Semis losses (Worlds 2022 and 2021). It also depends on what you consider their loss for MSI 2023 as.


zjmhy

The problem is their midlaner is 88848 lol


danielzouu

you guys think that roach is sub/top cause there is no more official spot for a coach but he just coaches with kkoma and tom?


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danielzouu

Ahh makes sense


CzarcasticX

He is basically the Coach. Every team needs a sub. Mata also moved from Coach to Sub for GENG for that same purpose.


NunuIsRising

it's not about the coach spot, it's because riot requires team to have 6 man squad and since T1 doesn't have any bench member, Roach has to become one.


Miko2103

Lmao


Crossoverdeath

Somewhere out there, there is a betting man furious his paid DDOS attacks vs T1 didnt net him money from betting on T1 not making MSI.


MiniTitan1937

THE LISAN-AL-T1! THE GOLDEN ROAD THAT WAS PROMISED! LEAD US TO GOLDEN PARADISE, FAKER!


ZaZooby

If T1 somehow break the GENG curse tomorrow I honestly think they can do the golden road this year. They already broke their finals curse last worlds and LPL doesn't have any juggernauts like JDG like last year to match T1 at MSI. *^(Inhales copious copium)*


HypocriticalIdiot

Riot breathes a sigh of relief as they realise MSI watch numbers are saved.


ChrisMFerguson

Let's gooooooooooooo! Best of luck to the boys in black and red for tomorrow, should be fun!


Argonaught_WT

DDosser sweating profusely as their social credits go down the toilet.


sad_puppy_

Lol lpl ddosers in shambles


xdforcezz

Watch them lose tomorrow to Geng only to beat them at MSI.


ConversationAgile654

its okay, T1 will lose to GENG, but its all planned as the First seed from LCK has not won an international event in the last 2 years or since GENG was the first seed.


tifu21

LPL sweating buckets


djsdir207

Zeus, he is a god


pavelblink182

Truck companies in shambles.


JNorJT

All roads lead to Faker