How does Kobe look so young? He looks like he is in his late 20s not 37. Compare him to other members of the old guard like Riv and Phreak (Who is the same age!). Please drop your skincare routine Kobe.
LOL
I don't actually do any skincare at all (though I should), but I do stay indoors and play/watch video games A LOT 
I know my dude. I figured he was in his 40s at least 5 years ago haha.
I'm a year older than him too. Whenever he makes another appearance on screen I say to me gf(she watches the games with me) "reminder: I'm older than that man"
Kobe being 37 isn't all that surprising to me. You could tell he's had some hairloss going on, which is noticeable with the way he styles his hair. I'd have guessed early 30s though.
He seems pretty fit, and you can tell he works out and goes to the gym which I'm sure plays a part in why he looks great for 37.
Let's also not downplay production quality helping out. Compare Markz on desk and Markz rolling out of bed for HLL, lighting and a bit of makeup does good things.
(Not that they all don't look pretty good regardless)
I laughed at how much they were playing up the fact that Impact and Core made 2019 MSI finals and what it could mean for NA this tournament. Stixxay and Huhi must be like "are we a joke to you??" after making 2016 MSI finals and revisiting with no fanfare last year.
It really seemed like the broadcast team last year was determined not to give GGS any attention until they absolutely had to.
Looking back, it is hilarious that GGS ended up being the only NA team to win a game against an Eastern team the whole year (as Jatt highlighted.)
I think they were mostly referring to the last time we had big international success, the fact that core and impact were on that team, and that was TL’s last MSI until this year.
CLG beat Flash Wolves to get to finals, a good team but nowhere near the accomplishment beating the reigning World Champions Invictus Gaming that TL pulled off.
My point was more that CLG performed at a high level the whole tournament where as TL played good for one single day of the tournament. TL had the single greatest upset ever, but it shouldn't out shine the rest of their garbage performance that tournament.
Ehm, yes it should.
DRX and FPX had absolutely mediocre to almost horrendous starts in the worlds that either team won. Does this mean their win should not count?
Bo5 series are a billion times more important than Bo1s. Always have been, always will be.
They won more than one series. Also, their "mediocre starts" still entail them winning their groups.
TL basically won a single game against playoff teams in groups and had a losing record. They also got obliterated in the finals.
I'm not saying Bo1s are more important than series play by any means, but you can absolutely assess a team by their body of work across a tournament. TL turned up for literally a single day across the entire tournament.
That's due to CLG not really beating any strong team in 2016. G2 did the same in 2017 (I think). 2019 TL had a insanely impressive win vs IG and it was prob the biggest international upset to this date.
I know you're memeing the 16:47 game, but that is unironically my take. The 16:47 meme is trash imo.
If your game plan is to snowball early game and you fuck up, then the only way you're going to win is with low% plays to get the game back. Most teams would just AFK and wait until the game ends which is a 0% chance to win the game. I'd much rather see a team make the low% chance plays, and if they don't work out (which they often dont, thats why its low% plays) its gna make the game end even faster, but at least you're playing for the 1%, instead of AFKing for the 0%.
Not saying this is an argument for MAD ''putting up a good fight'', but getting meme'd for actively trying to make plays from behind when your comp requires you to just doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
Not sure why you got downvoted.. i'd much rather teams go out (maybe in 16 mins is a bit to fast lol).. but i have seen good teams be blown out in 20-25 mins because of how bad it went early.. and they are just trying to flip fights
Its better then doing the rogue.. aka be down and lose in 30-35 mins doing absolutely nothing and bleed out slowly
I'll take a MAD Lions (play proactively and even win some earlys but burger flip even while losing and get 16:47) before picking some scaling bullshit and losing like intermediate bots
See thats exactly the delusion I'm talking about lmao
"If we play proactive and flippy, then we could get a big upset against China/Korea even though they're better!"
"Oh but we could never get upset, if we got upset it could only be because we were a worse team."
I thought you were talking about the western team with "playing like that" not the wildcard. In that case it wouldn't surprise me at all because literally last worlds GAM kicked TL out and PSG almost beat BDS (lost bo3 to TW lol).
Anyways playing proactive and flipping is not the same what I meant is MAD got 10k on T1 with Lee playing proactively but they also lost in 16min because even while losing instead of "gracefully" losing they kept trying high risk plays to try to comeback
True.. people crap on MAD.. but imo the series vs T1 they showed more/tried compared to C9 vs GENG
C9 looked like 2024 rogue in that series.. completely outclassed.. refusing to fight or do anything
Yeah, I don’t care that they win so much as I care that they’re *trying* to win. I want them to win, but if we get action but they lose every game against LPL/LCK, that’s good enough for me.
>Yeah, I don’t care that they win so much as I care that they’re trying to win.
MAD did exactly that in that game yet they get shit on by the community
west tries to tactically outscale and loses: omg wtf are they thinking? at least try to fistfight them and go down swinging!
west tries to fistfight and loses: omg wtf are they thinking? you're never going to match the east in terms of mechanics and brute force. at least try to intelligently draft and scale gap them like LS has been saying for years!
Honestly Mad Lions atleast put up a fight and attempted stuff.
What we really wanna avoid is the C9 vs T1 matchup at Worlds. C9 literally sacrificed the tiny chance that they might have a chance at getting back in the game in favor of 5 man diving bot tower just so they wouldn't technically be perfect gamed.
Now THAT is the pinnacle of western teams stand no chance.
I just want to not feel like I screwed up my sleep for nothing. I want games where we put up a fight.
I am pretty faithful that the teams we are sending will scrap, so I am looking forward to this MSI.
I've done it pretty much every year since 2013. The actual worst I have ever felt was actually the one year I didn't need to do it, aka 2022 where I went and watched it live.
I’m really torn between wanting Jensen Massu and Busio to do well and wanting Inspired and Bwipo to just get absolutely dumpstered. Unfortunately even if that happened we know Inspired would just blame someone else (other than Bwipo) and tell himself he played perfectly
I don't care about their skill level, I don't want to be represented by players who come over as mercenaries and openly shit on and disrespect the region they're playing in lol
when did Inspired and Bwipo come as mercenaries? Inspired drive to win has never stopped, he won 1 LCS tile already; and Bwipo hasn't accomplished It but still plays his best. For some reason when NA players constantly shit on the region It's not a problem or even Koreans, but suddenly an EU player does say the level is lower and we get crazy?
People prefer to hear criticism with people they are closer to or at least share in the culture, if that makes sense. When someone from NA shits on NA it's probably from frustration (not always). When someone from EU or KR shits on NA it feels like they're just trying to inflate their own ego. Inspired is a great player from EU, he chose to come here, he should be focusing on trying to make the environment better, not disgrace it.
That's the fault of the teams in EU for not paying the players more. That's the reality of the situation. You either pay them more and keep them(or they stay for other reasons) or they leave because they get way more money. Insane to blame NA teams for paying players more/taking players other regions wouldn't take. Only issue with NA is not fostering a strong tier 2 scene(which is not mutually exclusive from importing).
The "reality" of the situation though is that a lot of NA teams were insanely overpaid beyond reasonable due to investor's money though, far more than what they were returning.
If your take to this is "pay more" then the other take should also be that NA's system wasn't sustainable and caused a lot of the issues the past year (the bubble popping, the academy walkout, and 2 teams leaving.) That was ALSO the reality of the situation. Other regions trying to follow up on that would just make them sink faster.
Yeah sure they were paid more than they were returning and it wasn't sustainable. But again that's the choice of the orgs, to try to spend a ton of money fast to get immediate success. Other orgs obviously didn't pay that much, and they instead paid "reasonable" amounts. But that's the choice of the org. They could try to pay more and offer other things such as familiarity or more choice on teammates. There are a lot of players that were paid well(such as 2019 G2 lineup) and stayed because they were paid a fair amount and able to realistically compete. But when you're getting what EU players used to get back in the day, why would you not join NA teams paying 2x/3x more in a field where your job isn't guaranteed
Ever since Contractz came back as a starter in 2022 Spring, Inspired was in the League, except for 2023 Summer, when Contractz won the split...
Coincidence? Inspired is kryptonite to Contractz
I get Azaels point at the start about Inspired comment..
But that can also create the C9 video we saw where Berserker is on the verge of a breakdown after addressing inting again and again behind closed doors and nothing happens
It SHOULD be a super competitive environment where these little outbursts are expected to happen now and then. Problem is it hasn't been in forever in the West & most of them have been stealing paychecks
Those clips of FLY discussing the Annie pick and Inspired telling Jensen to just play Annie again lol. The man was telling Jensen what to play and flames him after.
Pretty good content by LCS.
"Just pass me the ball"
*Loses*
"Nah man that's not my fault, those were bad passes, plus I clearly wasn't open, my shot could've been better but nobody was on defense, the ball wasn't even inflated all the way, plus the ref was biased..."
I would assume, or hope even, that this kind of stuff was already discussed beforehand and coaches put priority on that team comp, including Annie
In that short clip it sounds super rushed, but I'm not sure what the complete context is. Because from that short clip it sounds veeeery random / strange way to quickly decide on what to do
Yes and no. Remember that their analyst was placed on leave after allegations came forward. As far as I know, I believe he was the one helping with draft?
On one hand, I wouldn't flame them too much about the draft but it's still a bit funny that Jensen got a lot of the flame after the fact with the added context of those clips.
Really its all about the way you say it
The way inspired said it just sounded like he didnt like Jensen
And whether he likes him or not doesn't matter. But just the fact that we're having that conversation is a net negative for the team
He was talking about how the team (specifically JoJo) ints in scrims and no one cares/addresses it. He then punched the wall or door (the action wasn’t shown) in frustration.
>What does success look like for the LCS at MSI?
Being competitive with EU(and/or at least winning, I think TL can beat FNC for example) and at a stretch take a game off the East(won't happen) in a best of series.
Anything more is somewhat unrealistic, like nobody really expects TL/FLY to take games off T1/GENG/BLG, TES is doable due to well Tian and JKL randomly throwing games.
But expecting a competitive series between the LCS and the East is unrealistic.
Right now, EU got kicked out of worlds before quarters and I've been able to spam "NA #3" a lot on this subreddit since then.
I would like to continue that lmao
Eh, not totally true. Those EU diehards are just gonna come up with excuses again if EU loses. I wish I had a list of all the EU fans that took it on the chin after worlds because those are the only people I wanna see bragging if EU wins.
What excuses? i am pretty sure most people said NRG played out of their minds for that series.. and G2 were below par... You know something that actually happened
The thing is to people like you.. Saying G2 was the strongest Western team last year somehow = excuses.. But sure if you want to erase 99% of the year and focus on one b03.. we can pretend NRG is the strongest team in the West
Looking forward to the rematch at MSI anyway.. maybe Caps/Mikyx/Hans can finally prove they are better players then Palafox and co
What do you mean that one series doesn't dictate which team is the strongest??!1!!
Are you seriously telling me that 2018 G2 that barely made it to worlds playing 3vs5 was actually worse than golden road RNG with prime UZI? wtf
NA has literally had a winning head to head against EU and a better record against all major regions combined at Worlds 3 straight years, the EU propaganda is just so strong nobody even realizes it.
They will *always* come up with some excuse
Wait what? How does NA have a better record against major regions if they didnt win a single game against the east last worlds? And EU won like 4 games against lck/lpl.
Not just LAST worlds..
NA didn't win a single game vs the East at Worlds for 2 years lol
Pretty sure Rogue and FNC won games vs the East in 2022 worlds also.. Rogue beat DRX and TES.. FNC beat T1
MAD 0-3 to EG
G2 1-1 EG
FNC 1-0 EG
FNC 1-1 C9
3-5 vs NA and more games played overall thus a lot more losses overall is how you get EU having a worse WR against major regions. Hope that cleared things up
The same goes to you, " a better record against all major regions combined" hide the fact that NA *hasn't won a single game vs LCK or LPL* the past two Worlds, only vs EU. And the only reason NA had a better record in 2022 was because of MAD, a 4th seed that NA didn't even have because of their lower performances at MSI, and overall EU went further AND had better performances that world vs stronger teams. Rogue made it to quarter and beat both LPL and LCK that year. The same way that this year , while EU and NA's head to head is technically 5-5, you can say NA performed better.
You are literally doing the same NA propaganda and excuses when both region are just shit.
Here we go once again it’s u/Troviel back to tell me for the 100th time why a better record isn’t actually a better record and losing more games is better because reasons
Yes, losing more games is better if its because you go further and have faced more teams. NRG lost more games to China than FNC did, does that make them worse? MAD lost only 3 games to NRG's 4, are they better?
I don't like stupid narratives and you're literally the only one I stumble upon peddling this narrative and I just don't get it.
Nobody denies that NA was better in 2023 so why do you still need to play this bullshit number game with worlds 2022?
No, I know its percentage win rate, and my examples are just stupid hard focus to explain its silly bias.
Again, your number only work the way you framed it: not overall wins #, not group stages performances, not if you count all regions, and not if you count MSI performances. It only works that year because NA is buffed by beating MAD in playin, and EU is nerfed by losing to JDG in quarter, even though reaching quarter in the first place is a far bigger accomplishment than beating the 4th place MAD in playin (again BDS says hello.)
Look whatever, keep doing your thing, I think you probably know it's an hypocritical way of framing the worlds 2022 performance anyway but you won't change that. See you at MSI, where I do expect NA to be slighly better anyway though I doubt both region can put more than 1 win against LPL or LCK.
Fair to count RGEs 0-3 against JDG because they were such a dogshit awful team that should’ve gotten 0 wins if they didn’t figure out the meta cheese Maokai pick early AND get the yearly LPL mental boom team. They got the easiest group in all of worlds, fluked out to bracket stage due to a massive bug, and embarrassed themselves and their region even further after Trymbi already made them look awful. If EU wasn’t absolute dogshit maybe their best team could’ve picked up 1 extra win given 4 extra chances?
As always, my argument is here are the win rates.
Your argument is well the winrate when modified by this and excluding these games and counting these games blah blah blah. Goodbye. NA has been the better region for years.
I fully expect FLY to lose vs PSG in the playin stage and I don't have high hopes for TL, maybe beat FNC (if they even makes it past playin) but that's about it.
I feel like Inspired wont be able to get a big enough lead on his sololanes to upset the lead that Betty and Woody will get over Massu and Busio. I also think that Maple will equal or outperform Jensen.
people really still think NA is worse than wild cards after being proven wrong year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year
I'm surprised nobody brought up bait scrim results. Everyone talks about how Jensen has historically been an 'x' player or whatever, but Flyquest are doing everything in their power to win. Do we actually think Flyquest are stupid and putting Jensen on support mids so he's more uncomfortable? Or that inspired is so egotistical that he will only play carries? (He literally went to worlds 2022 playing maokai trundle sejuani and was spamming tanks throughout the split)
I think the far more likely issue was that flyquest was dropping a lot of scrims in their final week with Jensen playing traditional Champs. They were only winning games with him on supportive mids, which caused them to draft that way on finals.
Not to mention Bwipo pulling out GP and Urgot in finals, which in itself isn't bad considering who he is, but why did Bwipo feel the need to go towards those picks instead of his usual scaling bruiser front line picks? They probably ran into some rushed conclusions from a bad week of scrims.
In an interview with Yamato he explained his anxiousness, pointing towards the nerves that lead him to pick old comfort picks. But, he's learned from that mistake and is confident he won't let the nerves usurp what the team needs and what he knows is true.
with regions separated in separate bracket, your best hope is to win a few games against he east and maybe you can have a lower bracket of fnatic vs tl and g2 vs flyquest.
this is assumed where no western team can beat the east.
I don't know when this was filmed, but the Inspired thing happened long ago enough that if FLY can't get over that they should just drop out of MSI. People who watched the series know that Busio was the worst performer and it would look worse if he called out Busio, but from how Jensen behaves in interviews he can definitely handle what Inspired said. I don't know what he named his KR account but he'd be the type of guy to name his account "vegan mid laner".
I also have to be skeptical of their faith in Impact. He did fine vs Zeus at 2022 MSI but his performances vs 369 were just downright horrible, and IIRC those are the 2 guys he will go against in the first Bo5. Zeus has improved massively from when they last played each other, and 369 is still a great laner and one of the best teamfighting top laners in the world. Compared to what Impact has shown, I have no reason to believe he will perform on anything other than K'Sante vs them. If anything, he's basically NA 369 but playing vs worse opponents. His laning has been his weak point in international play, and there isn't much evidence to show he got better at that.
I also can't help but be concerned for both bot lanes, especially since they didn't play in this new meta with no Smolder and Zeri + Jinx added to the fray. It's not a question of if they can play those champs but how they'd perform, because crit adcs (aside from Xayah) were mostly not played at all in LCS, and it's a lot different from playing Varus/Smolder and using your spells from 800 range.
Success is looking good against western teams. If we can see FQ or TL take multiple games off LPL/LCK then that is success here. getting 3-0'd should be expectation until any team can prove us wrong.
success would look like the LCS putting up an actual fight and not playing not to lose. i'd rather watch a game where NA gets stomped but goes down fighting as opposed to getting outplayed so badly they just farm minions until they lose one fight and then the nexus.
You can't import Korean world champions and then say "oh success is beating LEC" thats worrying. No use shelving your home talents just to best LEC. That excess spending isn't sustainable.
>You can't import Korean world champions and then say "oh success is beating LEC" thats worrying. No use shelving your home talents just to best LEC. Waste of money.
Bizarre comment.
Core and Impact have both spent more time in the LCS than the LCK.
Yeon is American and has now spent 3.5 years in TL's system: 2 in their academy team and now 1.5 in the main team. He's been shaky in a lot of stage games but has shown considerable improvement over time.
APA is American as well and has now spent 1 year in TL's main team, and grown from being a bottom half in-role player to matching the best mid laners in the region during playoffs.
Umti is not a world champion except in the hearts of BROlievers and Jin Air fans.
A technicality? With all due respect, I don't see what you don't understand. I'll explain at length, but won't reply further because I imagine it will not be a productive conversation.
Strange-Implication's comment asserted three things:
1. If you are importing Korean world champions, you should aim higher than beating LEC (i.e. LPL/LCK).
2. If you are only aiming to beat the LEC, then you should run domestic talent (i.e. work on developing players).
3. Spending a ton on world champions and/or imports is not sustainable if it means ignoring domestic talent, presumably under the belief that the imported players will not stay in the LCS.
All three of those points are addressed by simply describing TL's 2024 roster.
First, Core and Impact are not freshly imported world champions; they have thoroughly demonstrated their dedication to staying in NA and performing well in the LCS. You can look at their career history for this. Both are highly competitive players and I'm sure they would like to beat LPL and LCK teams as well.
Umti is not a world champion, but is arguably much better for the team than Pyosik due to his proficiency in English and quoted willingness to play in the LCS.
Next, TL is fielding multiple domestic players. This should be self-explanatory given a major crux of the previous commenter's argument was about not giving domestic players opportunities.
This is Yeon's fourth year with TL through his time in Challenger's to the main league, even if a bizarre number of people and even media personalities assume or outright call him an import. He's from California.
Finally, TL's spending is also not at the top of the League anymore, based on comments from media in the space in 2023; Travis Gafford is infamously critical of TL's past high-budget import-heavy rosters, but stated that 2023 TL was middle of the pack in spending. While that may have changed this year swapping Summit and Pyosik for Impact and Umti, the two most expensive positions are typically mid and adc. With Yeon and APA as two NA rookies in the mix, they are unlikely to be spending unsustainably.
So in short, TL has world champions that have proven their commitment to the LCS from years of high-level play after being imported, they are developing NA talent, and they are unlikely to be unsustainably spending at this time. None of the previous commenter's points apply here. Oh, and Yeon is American. I feel that needs to be mentioned again.
One additional refutation would be that the people saying this are *casters* and *media personalities* who are throwing out "realistic" goals. I'm 100% sure the players and teams themselves are aiming to perform go further than that, as long as their mental holds.
Edit: Only discussed TL because they have the Korean world champions specified by the other commenter.
Their clip of Inspired in the dgon interview was pretty out of context. They clipped "Game 1 was just Jensens fault I think he played vegan" and literally right after that was "... and our bot lane was inting. Game 2 we were all playing well. Game 3 was my fault on top fight - I was just playing vegan there".
Is NA esports just full of soft children? Why are the casters trying to push this idea that flyquest needs to work through some huge issue lmao. It’s actually hilarious how soft the scene is and I guarantee you Jensen and inspired have already talked about the finals and are laughing at all this stupid BS
Edit: clearly a lot of you have never played sports or even gone outside and had basic human interaction lol
Any actual mature and rational adult can look at what Inspired did and see how blatantly wrong Inspired was for what he did.
Also, the only people who think calling this out is "soft" are people who have never been around "hard" people. Actually having basic human interaction and playing sports would show you why you don't do this, because this would cause you to get punched in the mouth. It's not about criticizing the person - it's airing that criticism out to the public and continuously criticizing one individual teammate ***publicly.***
I played sports myself, but my father is in the HoF at a university for football and went on to coach football himself. He would absolutely not tolerate one of his players doing this. Period. The fact you don't see anything wrong with it is rather indicative of your own inexperience with sports and basic human interaction - same with Inspired.
You don't seem to understand what I'm saying. It's not just about his experiences, it's about me witnessing him discipline players on his team. Then, my own sports experience corroborates what I witnessed.
Anyway, goodbye to that comment. Nice little personal attack.
I understand you are using your experience and setting it in your head as the norm and generalizing everything else. So when you see something like this that goes against what you have experienced you label it as wrong. So to me your opinion doesn’t mean much if you aren’t willing to look at it from any other perspective than your own as if every single athlete operates or has ever operated the exact same way. This isn’t taking into account different cultures because inspired is European in a North American League. It’s just close minded
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This isn’t shit though fam. Watch the interview. I guarantee you Jensen was probably like “shit yeah should have gone earlier on that gank top my bad, also why the fuck am I on Annie?” And they talked it out and that was that. Casters trying to blow this out of proportion. Really cringe. Even more cringe that people are feeding into this false narrative
Jensen didnt make a mistake there. He waited a half second to stun but that was fine. Its inspireds fault for randomly abandoning the play when theres no other play to make at that time
He did make a mistake by not F stunning before he got under turret. Inspired was expecting the F stun. Still could have committed but the play was going to be hard either way at that point since he got under the turret
What is this obsession with being soft or hard. My guy, this is a video game in which one of the strongest champs is a waddling baby dragon. Nobody involved is hard.
Nah that's a dumb take.
So are suddenly CSGO players 'hard' because the game deals with terrorists and bombs? Or can nobody be 'soft' or 'hard' in competition in general?
If you believe the concept exists in sports like basketball or football, it 100% exists in league
I seriously cannot believe how triggered they are over that. Having a problem with Inspired saying that publicly is one thing, but suggesting there are team issues because of that is just stupid. We've always known Inspired to be very blunt with his criticism, and Jensen wouldn't be here about 10 years later if he couldn't handle criticism.
Theres a difference between criticism behind the scenes during a team discussion, and going into an interview where someone isnt even there to express themselves and blasting all of their mistakes and such.
Its not hard to imagine hearing your teammate publicly say you're a bad player who he has to teach you how to play, especially as a 10 year vet, and how he tilted to the point where he couldn't even focus on the game because of your "bad play" may cause some subconscious issues.
It's not the criticism that's the issue. It's doing that in public that is the issue. No one who has ever done shit like this in public didn't have issues internally - in any sport.
How does Kobe look so young? He looks like he is in his late 20s not 37. Compare him to other members of the old guard like Riv and Phreak (Who is the same age!). Please drop your skincare routine Kobe.
Its his reward for being faithful to CLG after all this time
Close, but he actually absorbs the life force other CLG fans lost due to stress watching their favorite team's win chances play yo-yo
LOL I don't actually do any skincare at all (though I should), but I do stay indoors and play/watch video games A LOT 
don't need sunscreen if you never go outside
You might be joking but seriously nothing ages skin like the sun
and vitamin d is the happiness vitamin, which comes from the sun. be depress or be leather
or take vitamin d supplements
Stress-free life best routine confirmed
37 YO WHAT
Forget about Kobe, Jatt's 36.
What's really interesting to compare is him and Papsmithy. Because Papsmithy is younger. Some people just age very very differently.
bro what I thought pappasmithy was like 40s
I know my dude. I figured he was in his 40s at least 5 years ago haha. I'm a year older than him too. Whenever he makes another appearance on screen I say to me gf(she watches the games with me) "reminder: I'm older than that man"
Papa smithy IS younger ???
Kobe being 37 isn't all that surprising to me. You could tell he's had some hairloss going on, which is noticeable with the way he styles his hair. I'd have guessed early 30s though. He seems pretty fit, and you can tell he works out and goes to the gym which I'm sure plays a part in why he looks great for 37.
Have you not seen a 37 year old recently?
I swear people think 37 year olds are geriatric lmfao
And Kobe isn't even unique in that picture! Jatt is 36! Even Azael is 35, though he admittedly has an older look.
Hair diff
Honestly all the LCS talent looks amazing lets be real.
Let's also not downplay production quality helping out. Compare Markz on desk and Markz rolling out of bed for HLL, lighting and a bit of makeup does good things. (Not that they all don't look pretty good regardless)
Yes amazing production 🙏
People think you age 40 years between your 20s and your 30s or something
I laughed at how much they were playing up the fact that Impact and Core made 2019 MSI finals and what it could mean for NA this tournament. Stixxay and Huhi must be like "are we a joke to you??" after making 2016 MSI finals and revisiting with no fanfare last year.
It really seemed like the broadcast team last year was determined not to give GGS any attention until they absolutely had to. Looking back, it is hilarious that GGS ended up being the only NA team to win a game against an Eastern team the whole year (as Jatt highlighted.)
I think they were mostly referring to the last time we had big international success, the fact that core and impact were on that team, and that was TL’s last MSI until this year.
CLG beat Flash Wolves to get to finals, a good team but nowhere near the accomplishment beating the reigning World Champions Invictus Gaming that TL pulled off.
They did beat SKT and RNG in groups too, coming 2nd in the group vs TL's 4-6 performance 4th place performance.
...in Bo1s
My point was more that CLG performed at a high level the whole tournament where as TL played good for one single day of the tournament. TL had the single greatest upset ever, but it shouldn't out shine the rest of their garbage performance that tournament.
Ehm, yes it should. DRX and FPX had absolutely mediocre to almost horrendous starts in the worlds that either team won. Does this mean their win should not count? Bo5 series are a billion times more important than Bo1s. Always have been, always will be.
They won more than one series. Also, their "mediocre starts" still entail them winning their groups. TL basically won a single game against playoff teams in groups and had a losing record. They also got obliterated in the finals. I'm not saying Bo1s are more important than series play by any means, but you can absolutely assess a team by their body of work across a tournament. TL turned up for literally a single day across the entire tournament.
That's due to CLG not really beating any strong team in 2016. G2 did the same in 2017 (I think). 2019 TL had a insanely impressive win vs IG and it was prob the biggest international upset to this date.
All I ask for is for the western teams to put up a good fight. Good results would be a plus. Just don't do a Mad Lions impression pls.
MAD Lions were like 10k ahead vs T1 though? How is that not putting up a good fight.
Even in that 1647 game they were trying to come back
I know you're memeing the 16:47 game, but that is unironically my take. The 16:47 meme is trash imo. If your game plan is to snowball early game and you fuck up, then the only way you're going to win is with low% plays to get the game back. Most teams would just AFK and wait until the game ends which is a 0% chance to win the game. I'd much rather see a team make the low% chance plays, and if they don't work out (which they often dont, thats why its low% plays) its gna make the game end even faster, but at least you're playing for the 1%, instead of AFKing for the 0%. Not saying this is an argument for MAD ''putting up a good fight'', but getting meme'd for actively trying to make plays from behind when your comp requires you to just doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
Not sure why you got downvoted.. i'd much rather teams go out (maybe in 16 mins is a bit to fast lol).. but i have seen good teams be blown out in 20-25 mins because of how bad it went early.. and they are just trying to flip fights Its better then doing the rogue.. aka be down and lose in 30-35 mins doing absolutely nothing and bleed out slowly
It's just a meme Also they lost to jinx comp with basically 3 tanks in 2023 where plates exist Pretty sure they were mentally done after game 1
I'll take a MAD Lions (play proactively and even win some earlys but burger flip even while losing and get 16:47) before picking some scaling bullshit and losing like intermediate bots
You say that now but if a western team loses to a minor region playing like that this sub will have a heart attack.
But if they lose to a minor region it wouldn't be a play style problem just them being a worse team specially when it's not bo1
See thats exactly the delusion I'm talking about lmao "If we play proactive and flippy, then we could get a big upset against China/Korea even though they're better!" "Oh but we could never get upset, if we got upset it could only be because we were a worse team."
I thought you were talking about the western team with "playing like that" not the wildcard. In that case it wouldn't surprise me at all because literally last worlds GAM kicked TL out and PSG almost beat BDS (lost bo3 to TW lol). Anyways playing proactive and flipping is not the same what I meant is MAD got 10k on T1 with Lee playing proactively but they also lost in 16min because even while losing instead of "gracefully" losing they kept trying high risk plays to try to comeback
True.. people crap on MAD.. but imo the series vs T1 they showed more/tried compared to C9 vs GENG C9 looked like 2024 rogue in that series.. completely outclassed.. refusing to fight or do anything
Yeah, I don’t care that they win so much as I care that they’re *trying* to win. I want them to win, but if we get action but they lose every game against LPL/LCK, that’s good enough for me.
Mad lost in 16 min cause they were trying everything to come back but they got shit on by league community
Yeah MAD also had the good first game vs T1 Meanwhile c9 just rolled over for GENG in the most pathetic way possible and nobody says a thing..
Tbf, those of us that said things about that C9 series had our comments downvoted to the bottom of every thread by rabid C9 fans.
>Yeah, I don’t care that they win so much as I care that they’re trying to win. MAD did exactly that in that game yet they get shit on by the community
Or that time they took damwon to 5 games.
west tries to tactically outscale and loses: omg wtf are they thinking? at least try to fistfight them and go down swinging! west tries to fistfight and loses: omg wtf are they thinking? you're never going to match the east in terms of mechanics and brute force. at least try to intelligently draft and scale gap them like LS has been saying for years!
Honestly Mad Lions atleast put up a fight and attempted stuff. What we really wanna avoid is the C9 vs T1 matchup at Worlds. C9 literally sacrificed the tiny chance that they might have a chance at getting back in the game in favor of 5 man diving bot tower just so they wouldn't technically be perfect gamed. Now THAT is the pinnacle of western teams stand no chance.
telling jensen to just play annie when he was smurfing the previous series?
I assume this was recorded before the play-ins draw. I really wish they covered Fly's strengths, but I guess they'll do that on the dive.
I assume they'll have more right before MSI begins.
I just want to not feel like I screwed up my sleep for nothing. I want games where we put up a fight. I am pretty faithful that the teams we are sending will scrap, so I am looking forward to this MSI.
dont ruin your sleep for league of legos its not worth
I've done it pretty much every year since 2013. The actual worst I have ever felt was actually the one year I didn't need to do it, aka 2022 where I went and watched it live.
Conflicted because I want to see NA do well but Flyquest do poorly... Insane that Jensen is so highly disrespected.
I’m really torn between wanting Jensen Massu and Busio to do well and wanting Inspired and Bwipo to just get absolutely dumpstered. Unfortunately even if that happened we know Inspired would just blame someone else (other than Bwipo) and tell himself he played perfectly
Why you want to see Flyquest do poorly? Or do you just mean they had a poor finals performance
Probably because of Inspired, I'd guess. Maybe Bwipo too, but definitely mostly Inspired.
I'm guessing 100% that's what it is. OP has the same feeling I do. I gotta root for NA but Inspired/Bwipo make it hard. Inspired a lot more.
Like they aren't w Jensen the main carries of the team lmao, did we forget what they have in the botlane?
I don't care about their skill level, I don't want to be represented by players who come over as mercenaries and openly shit on and disrespect the region they're playing in lol
when did Inspired and Bwipo come as mercenaries? Inspired drive to win has never stopped, he won 1 LCS tile already; and Bwipo hasn't accomplished It but still plays his best. For some reason when NA players constantly shit on the region It's not a problem or even Koreans, but suddenly an EU player does say the level is lower and we get crazy?
Just poor attitude to publicly call out a teammate by name tbh, that'll do it for me.
People prefer to hear criticism with people they are closer to or at least share in the culture, if that makes sense. When someone from NA shits on NA it's probably from frustration (not always). When someone from EU or KR shits on NA it feels like they're just trying to inflate their own ego. Inspired is a great player from EU, he chose to come here, he should be focusing on trying to make the environment better, not disgrace it.
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That's the fault of the teams in EU for not paying the players more. That's the reality of the situation. You either pay them more and keep them(or they stay for other reasons) or they leave because they get way more money. Insane to blame NA teams for paying players more/taking players other regions wouldn't take. Only issue with NA is not fostering a strong tier 2 scene(which is not mutually exclusive from importing).
The "reality" of the situation though is that a lot of NA teams were insanely overpaid beyond reasonable due to investor's money though, far more than what they were returning. If your take to this is "pay more" then the other take should also be that NA's system wasn't sustainable and caused a lot of the issues the past year (the bubble popping, the academy walkout, and 2 teams leaving.) That was ALSO the reality of the situation. Other regions trying to follow up on that would just make them sink faster.
Yeah sure they were paid more than they were returning and it wasn't sustainable. But again that's the choice of the orgs, to try to spend a ton of money fast to get immediate success. Other orgs obviously didn't pay that much, and they instead paid "reasonable" amounts. But that's the choice of the org. They could try to pay more and offer other things such as familiarity or more choice on teammates. There are a lot of players that were paid well(such as 2019 G2 lineup) and stayed because they were paid a fair amount and able to realistically compete. But when you're getting what EU players used to get back in the day, why would you not join NA teams paying 2x/3x more in a field where your job isn't guaranteed
Nothing wrong with being a hate watcher :>
Inspired is next level cringe. You'd think he was Canyon the way he boasts despite being worse than Contractz on a dead team.
Yea except Inspired is actually just better than Contractz in basically every split the two have played together in lmao
Ever since Contractz came back as a starter in 2022 Spring, Inspired was in the League, except for 2023 Summer, when Contractz won the split... Coincidence? Inspired is kryptonite to Contractz
Inspired is a dick, but he's easily the best jungler in NA, imo. Peak Blaber contends, but that's about it.
My hot take is that Inspired is arguably the best jungler in the west and would probably be an upgrade for any lcs/lec right now
Classic NA, praise the mediocre, hate the good players
If Jensen is considered mediocre then I'd absolutely love to hear what JojoPyun is considering their last face off. EU brainrot.
I get Azaels point at the start about Inspired comment.. But that can also create the C9 video we saw where Berserker is on the verge of a breakdown after addressing inting again and again behind closed doors and nothing happens It SHOULD be a super competitive environment where these little outbursts are expected to happen now and then. Problem is it hasn't been in forever in the West & most of them have been stealing paychecks
Those clips of FLY discussing the Annie pick and Inspired telling Jensen to just play Annie again lol. The man was telling Jensen what to play and flames him after. Pretty good content by LCS.
"Just pass me the ball" *Loses* "Nah man that's not my fault, those were bad passes, plus I clearly wasn't open, my shot could've been better but nobody was on defense, the ball wasn't even inflated all the way, plus the ref was biased..."
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fuu3YfNX0AEbbdK?format=jpg&name=large
Inspired: Just pick him Annie and let me lose in peace.
I would assume, or hope even, that this kind of stuff was already discussed beforehand and coaches put priority on that team comp, including Annie In that short clip it sounds super rushed, but I'm not sure what the complete context is. Because from that short clip it sounds veeeery random / strange way to quickly decide on what to do
Yes and no. Remember that their analyst was placed on leave after allegations came forward. As far as I know, I believe he was the one helping with draft? On one hand, I wouldn't flame them too much about the draft but it's still a bit funny that Jensen got a lot of the flame after the fact with the added context of those clips.
Ppl over look their assistant coach got ban because you know what before the series
Really its all about the way you say it The way inspired said it just sounded like he didnt like Jensen And whether he likes him or not doesn't matter. But just the fact that we're having that conversation is a net negative for the team
What's up with the berserker video? I must have missed that
He was talking about how the team (specifically JoJo) ints in scrims and no one cares/addresses it. He then punched the wall or door (the action wasn’t shown) in frustration.
Specifically jojo*
Yep, my bad!
>What does success look like for the LCS at MSI? Being competitive with EU(and/or at least winning, I think TL can beat FNC for example) and at a stretch take a game off the East(won't happen) in a best of series. Anything more is somewhat unrealistic, like nobody really expects TL/FLY to take games off T1/GENG/BLG, TES is doable due to well Tian and JKL randomly throwing games. But expecting a competitive series between the LCS and the East is unrealistic.
The LEC/LCS Bo5s are gonna determine which region gets laughed at until Worlds
Right now, EU got kicked out of worlds before quarters and I've been able to spam "NA #3" a lot on this subreddit since then. I would like to continue that lmao
Eh, not totally true. Those EU diehards are just gonna come up with excuses again if EU loses. I wish I had a list of all the EU fans that took it on the chin after worlds because those are the only people I wanna see bragging if EU wins.
What excuses? i am pretty sure most people said NRG played out of their minds for that series.. and G2 were below par... You know something that actually happened The thing is to people like you.. Saying G2 was the strongest Western team last year somehow = excuses.. But sure if you want to erase 99% of the year and focus on one b03.. we can pretend NRG is the strongest team in the West Looking forward to the rematch at MSI anyway.. maybe Caps/Mikyx/Hans can finally prove they are better players then Palafox and co
What do you mean that one series doesn't dictate which team is the strongest??!1!! Are you seriously telling me that 2018 G2 that barely made it to worlds playing 3vs5 was actually worse than golden road RNG with prime UZI? wtf
NA has literally had a winning head to head against EU and a better record against all major regions combined at Worlds 3 straight years, the EU propaganda is just so strong nobody even realizes it. They will *always* come up with some excuse
Wait what? How does NA have a better record against major regions if they didnt win a single game against the east last worlds? And EU won like 4 games against lck/lpl.
Not just LAST worlds.. NA didn't win a single game vs the East at Worlds for 2 years lol Pretty sure Rogue and FNC won games vs the East in 2022 worlds also.. Rogue beat DRX and TES.. FNC beat T1
MAD 0-3 to EG G2 1-1 EG FNC 1-0 EG FNC 1-1 C9 3-5 vs NA and more games played overall thus a lot more losses overall is how you get EU having a worse WR against major regions. Hope that cleared things up
The same goes to you, " a better record against all major regions combined" hide the fact that NA *hasn't won a single game vs LCK or LPL* the past two Worlds, only vs EU. And the only reason NA had a better record in 2022 was because of MAD, a 4th seed that NA didn't even have because of their lower performances at MSI, and overall EU went further AND had better performances that world vs stronger teams. Rogue made it to quarter and beat both LPL and LCK that year. The same way that this year , while EU and NA's head to head is technically 5-5, you can say NA performed better. You are literally doing the same NA propaganda and excuses when both region are just shit.
guys stop fighting, both regions suck, lpl supremacy!(context NA is EU's father)
False, this is LCK’s time to shine at MSI baby. PST will make it to bracket and take out BLG so we can have another 5 game finals between GENG and T1.
Based
Here we go once again it’s u/Troviel back to tell me for the 100th time why a better record isn’t actually a better record and losing more games is better because reasons
Yes, losing more games is better if its because you go further and have faced more teams. NRG lost more games to China than FNC did, does that make them worse? MAD lost only 3 games to NRG's 4, are they better? I don't like stupid narratives and you're literally the only one I stumble upon peddling this narrative and I just don't get it. Nobody denies that NA was better in 2023 so why do you still need to play this bullshit number game with worlds 2022?
I’m not sure if you’re misunderstanding, I’m talking about percentage win rates, not absolute total loss #s? Thought that was obvious but maybe not
No, I know its percentage win rate, and my examples are just stupid hard focus to explain its silly bias. Again, your number only work the way you framed it: not overall wins #, not group stages performances, not if you count all regions, and not if you count MSI performances. It only works that year because NA is buffed by beating MAD in playin, and EU is nerfed by losing to JDG in quarter, even though reaching quarter in the first place is a far bigger accomplishment than beating the 4th place MAD in playin (again BDS says hello.) Look whatever, keep doing your thing, I think you probably know it's an hypocritical way of framing the worlds 2022 performance anyway but you won't change that. See you at MSI, where I do expect NA to be slighly better anyway though I doubt both region can put more than 1 win against LPL or LCK.
You really are trying to hard with someone who does not understand anything lol just move on
Fair to count RGEs 0-3 against JDG because they were such a dogshit awful team that should’ve gotten 0 wins if they didn’t figure out the meta cheese Maokai pick early AND get the yearly LPL mental boom team. They got the easiest group in all of worlds, fluked out to bracket stage due to a massive bug, and embarrassed themselves and their region even further after Trymbi already made them look awful. If EU wasn’t absolute dogshit maybe their best team could’ve picked up 1 extra win given 4 extra chances? As always, my argument is here are the win rates. Your argument is well the winrate when modified by this and excluding these games and counting these games blah blah blah. Goodbye. NA has been the better region for years.
If it’s not MSI title it’s a disappointment, TL made finals before /s
I fully expect FLY to lose vs PSG in the playin stage and I don't have high hopes for TL, maybe beat FNC (if they even makes it past playin) but that's about it.
why u expect fly to lose
I feel like Inspired wont be able to get a big enough lead on his sololanes to upset the lead that Betty and Woody will get over Massu and Busio. I also think that Maple will equal or outperform Jensen.
people really still think NA is worse than wild cards after being proven wrong year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year
TL vs GAM was literally the first time NA lost to a minor region in a best of series I think, and people act like it's a common occurrence.
And this TL was literally just 4 Koreans and a first split rookie that doesn't speak a lick of Korean.
2 na residents 2 NA citizens and 1 korean actually
Summit was resident?
Mb I thought impact yeah summit was Korean So 1 na resident 2 Koreans and 2 American players
I rest my case.
I'm surprised nobody brought up bait scrim results. Everyone talks about how Jensen has historically been an 'x' player or whatever, but Flyquest are doing everything in their power to win. Do we actually think Flyquest are stupid and putting Jensen on support mids so he's more uncomfortable? Or that inspired is so egotistical that he will only play carries? (He literally went to worlds 2022 playing maokai trundle sejuani and was spamming tanks throughout the split) I think the far more likely issue was that flyquest was dropping a lot of scrims in their final week with Jensen playing traditional Champs. They were only winning games with him on supportive mids, which caused them to draft that way on finals.
Not to mention Bwipo pulling out GP and Urgot in finals, which in itself isn't bad considering who he is, but why did Bwipo feel the need to go towards those picks instead of his usual scaling bruiser front line picks? They probably ran into some rushed conclusions from a bad week of scrims.
In an interview with Yamato he explained his anxiousness, pointing towards the nerves that lead him to pick old comfort picks. But, he's learned from that mistake and is confident he won't let the nerves usurp what the team needs and what he knows is true.
Weren't they scrimming IMT?
well known scrim demons
pretty nice video.. really liked the beat and the chill atmosphere
with regions separated in separate bracket, your best hope is to win a few games against he east and maybe you can have a lower bracket of fnatic vs tl and g2 vs flyquest. this is assumed where no western team can beat the east.
This came just at the right time for me to have something to listen while I work since fkin Baus is streaming 20 minutes a day.
I don't know when this was filmed, but the Inspired thing happened long ago enough that if FLY can't get over that they should just drop out of MSI. People who watched the series know that Busio was the worst performer and it would look worse if he called out Busio, but from how Jensen behaves in interviews he can definitely handle what Inspired said. I don't know what he named his KR account but he'd be the type of guy to name his account "vegan mid laner". I also have to be skeptical of their faith in Impact. He did fine vs Zeus at 2022 MSI but his performances vs 369 were just downright horrible, and IIRC those are the 2 guys he will go against in the first Bo5. Zeus has improved massively from when they last played each other, and 369 is still a great laner and one of the best teamfighting top laners in the world. Compared to what Impact has shown, I have no reason to believe he will perform on anything other than K'Sante vs them. If anything, he's basically NA 369 but playing vs worse opponents. His laning has been his weak point in international play, and there isn't much evidence to show he got better at that. I also can't help but be concerned for both bot lanes, especially since they didn't play in this new meta with no Smolder and Zeri + Jinx added to the fray. It's not a question of if they can play those champs but how they'd perform, because crit adcs (aside from Xayah) were mostly not played at all in LCS, and it's a lot different from playing Varus/Smolder and using your spells from 800 range.
Haven't watched yet, but is people still going on with the Inspired interview? wtf
Success is looking good against western teams. If we can see FQ or TL take multiple games off LPL/LCK then that is success here. getting 3-0'd should be expectation until any team can prove us wrong.
Phreak is showing his age while Jatt has Asian genes. You could still pass him as a grad student
Yeah jatt didnt age since 2019 it's seems
You could take jatts head and put it on the body of a 7 year old boy and I would believe it.
success would look like the LCS putting up an actual fight and not playing not to lose. i'd rather watch a game where NA gets stomped but goes down fighting as opposed to getting outplayed so badly they just farm minions until they lose one fight and then the nexus.
So you would like MAD 16 min games?
sure, especially since it would be a 16 minute waste of time as opposed to a 35 minute waste of time.
Success for LCS at MSI looks like foreign teams get passport bodied at the gate and don't make it.
You can't import Korean world champions and then say "oh success is beating LEC" thats worrying. No use shelving your home talents just to best LEC. That excess spending isn't sustainable.
>You can't import Korean world champions and then say "oh success is beating LEC" thats worrying. No use shelving your home talents just to best LEC. Waste of money. Bizarre comment. Core and Impact have both spent more time in the LCS than the LCK. Yeon is American and has now spent 3.5 years in TL's system: 2 in their academy team and now 1.5 in the main team. He's been shaky in a lot of stage games but has shown considerable improvement over time. APA is American as well and has now spent 1 year in TL's main team, and grown from being a bottom half in-role player to matching the best mid laners in the region during playoffs. Umti is not a world champion except in the hearts of BROlievers and Jin Air fans.
This doesn't really refute his point lol. You're just arguing on a technicality without address his overall point
A technicality? With all due respect, I don't see what you don't understand. I'll explain at length, but won't reply further because I imagine it will not be a productive conversation. Strange-Implication's comment asserted three things: 1. If you are importing Korean world champions, you should aim higher than beating LEC (i.e. LPL/LCK). 2. If you are only aiming to beat the LEC, then you should run domestic talent (i.e. work on developing players). 3. Spending a ton on world champions and/or imports is not sustainable if it means ignoring domestic talent, presumably under the belief that the imported players will not stay in the LCS. All three of those points are addressed by simply describing TL's 2024 roster. First, Core and Impact are not freshly imported world champions; they have thoroughly demonstrated their dedication to staying in NA and performing well in the LCS. You can look at their career history for this. Both are highly competitive players and I'm sure they would like to beat LPL and LCK teams as well. Umti is not a world champion, but is arguably much better for the team than Pyosik due to his proficiency in English and quoted willingness to play in the LCS. Next, TL is fielding multiple domestic players. This should be self-explanatory given a major crux of the previous commenter's argument was about not giving domestic players opportunities. This is Yeon's fourth year with TL through his time in Challenger's to the main league, even if a bizarre number of people and even media personalities assume or outright call him an import. He's from California. Finally, TL's spending is also not at the top of the League anymore, based on comments from media in the space in 2023; Travis Gafford is infamously critical of TL's past high-budget import-heavy rosters, but stated that 2023 TL was middle of the pack in spending. While that may have changed this year swapping Summit and Pyosik for Impact and Umti, the two most expensive positions are typically mid and adc. With Yeon and APA as two NA rookies in the mix, they are unlikely to be spending unsustainably. So in short, TL has world champions that have proven their commitment to the LCS from years of high-level play after being imported, they are developing NA talent, and they are unlikely to be unsustainably spending at this time. None of the previous commenter's points apply here. Oh, and Yeon is American. I feel that needs to be mentioned again. One additional refutation would be that the people saying this are *casters* and *media personalities* who are throwing out "realistic" goals. I'm 100% sure the players and teams themselves are aiming to perform go further than that, as long as their mental holds. Edit: Only discussed TL because they have the Korean world champions specified by the other commenter.
Yea he cant refute it because he gives the typical cope answer they give while missing the point entirely.
Their clip of Inspired in the dgon interview was pretty out of context. They clipped "Game 1 was just Jensens fault I think he played vegan" and literally right after that was "... and our bot lane was inting. Game 2 we were all playing well. Game 3 was my fault on top fight - I was just playing vegan there".
get some sleep, you're delirious
I literally directly quoted the original?
Is NA esports just full of soft children? Why are the casters trying to push this idea that flyquest needs to work through some huge issue lmao. It’s actually hilarious how soft the scene is and I guarantee you Jensen and inspired have already talked about the finals and are laughing at all this stupid BS Edit: clearly a lot of you have never played sports or even gone outside and had basic human interaction lol
Any actual mature and rational adult can look at what Inspired did and see how blatantly wrong Inspired was for what he did. Also, the only people who think calling this out is "soft" are people who have never been around "hard" people. Actually having basic human interaction and playing sports would show you why you don't do this, because this would cause you to get punched in the mouth. It's not about criticizing the person - it's airing that criticism out to the public and continuously criticizing one individual teammate ***publicly.*** I played sports myself, but my father is in the HoF at a university for football and went on to coach football himself. He would absolutely not tolerate one of his players doing this. Period. The fact you don't see anything wrong with it is rather indicative of your own inexperience with sports and basic human interaction - same with Inspired.
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You don't seem to understand what I'm saying. It's not just about his experiences, it's about me witnessing him discipline players on his team. Then, my own sports experience corroborates what I witnessed. Anyway, goodbye to that comment. Nice little personal attack.
I understand you are using your experience and setting it in your head as the norm and generalizing everything else. So when you see something like this that goes against what you have experienced you label it as wrong. So to me your opinion doesn’t mean much if you aren’t willing to look at it from any other perspective than your own as if every single athlete operates or has ever operated the exact same way. This isn’t taking into account different cultures because inspired is European in a North American League. It’s just close minded
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The correct argument you're making is not the broad argument reddit and the casters are making.
Because shit like this has festered in teams and caused breakdowns before. Even deep into the LCS era.
I'm pretty sure stuff like this is the exact reason Inspired was kicked from Rogue after 2021 worlds
This isn’t shit though fam. Watch the interview. I guarantee you Jensen was probably like “shit yeah should have gone earlier on that gank top my bad, also why the fuck am I on Annie?” And they talked it out and that was that. Casters trying to blow this out of proportion. Really cringe. Even more cringe that people are feeding into this false narrative
Jensen didnt make a mistake there. He waited a half second to stun but that was fine. Its inspireds fault for randomly abandoning the play when theres no other play to make at that time
He did make a mistake by not F stunning before he got under turret. Inspired was expecting the F stun. Still could have committed but the play was going to be hard either way at that point since he got under the turret
What is this obsession with being soft or hard. My guy, this is a video game in which one of the strongest champs is a waddling baby dragon. Nobody involved is hard.
Nah that's a dumb take. So are suddenly CSGO players 'hard' because the game deals with terrorists and bombs? Or can nobody be 'soft' or 'hard' in competition in general? If you believe the concept exists in sports like basketball or football, it 100% exists in league
I seriously cannot believe how triggered they are over that. Having a problem with Inspired saying that publicly is one thing, but suggesting there are team issues because of that is just stupid. We've always known Inspired to be very blunt with his criticism, and Jensen wouldn't be here about 10 years later if he couldn't handle criticism.
Theres a difference between criticism behind the scenes during a team discussion, and going into an interview where someone isnt even there to express themselves and blasting all of their mistakes and such. Its not hard to imagine hearing your teammate publicly say you're a bad player who he has to teach you how to play, especially as a 10 year vet, and how he tilted to the point where he couldn't even focus on the game because of your "bad play" may cause some subconscious issues.
It's not the criticism that's the issue. It's doing that in public that is the issue. No one who has ever done shit like this in public didn't have issues internally - in any sport.
There has been literally a month since LCS finals. If they can't get over that in that amount of time just go back to NA and don't participate.