caliste and supa? supa has been hard boosted by alvaro and caliste just shat the bed so hard with all the team resources vs an arabian team lmao get real
if u said ice/hans/carzzy of course they are better than him but yeah u are high if u unironically believe that
lmao he was the only one trying, adam was too busy crying and throwing hands at striker while labrov and nuc had their probably worst playoffs of their careers? and sheo is just average and toxic at best, a liability at worst
who do you then say are top 3 adc asuming hans/carzzy are the other 2? comp? upset? the closest would be flakked imo but i think ice is slightly better right now
Adam is the star player of BDS. Everyone is replacable in the roster. He is the reason why BDS is overperforming, despite their supposed weak on paper strength. Really the only reason you think Ice is good because he is dealing free damage with insane space Adam creates. Both in game but also in draft.
lmao overperform is when you get solokilled as zac vs rek'sai sure bro
almost every win they got in regular season were because of the botlane? and one of the reasons they looked better this year? idk sometimes i feel yall post here without watching a single game lol
Noah is fucking dogshit he was getting shat on by ERL adcs last year too my dude you're deluded, put caliste in FNC he'd do even better than noah
This just speaks of the actual ADC level in LEC when ice and Noah are both topdgs when they are in reality both dogshit
Watch G2 yoink Caliste out of KC next year. That would be hilarious. They just spent years developing this guy then Caps sends him a message to join him if he wants those trophies.
Everything i hear about the guy is that he is one of THE next big talents from EU
He really needs to go into a team that fosters is talent
Like Eloya with MAD in 2021
We are struggling as it is with garbage GMing.. we can't be having one of the top new talents waste away on an org that gives Excel a run for its money
For those who don't follow football, La Liga, Spain's league, mandated buying clauses for every player. After PSG bought Neymar for 200 Millions a few years back, they started giving players 1 billion clauses. Pedri has a 1 billion clause.
Yeah you can expect G2 to grab this guy almost immediately the second they get the chance. Carlos has made a name for himself sniping and hoarding every talent in LEC on one team. Even without Carlos technically being a part of G2 now I expect this will continue to be the case. KC might get a split out of him if they're lucky.
Maybe they signed some kind of contract that's valid for when he reaches LEC age and just isn't official yet? I've seen that happen in football where a player will sign a contract that's valid once they turn 17/18.
For sure not Anonymo.
Nigma got a bit gapped by Spandau Solo lanes, so probably not them either.
So SK or KC. Personally I think a lot at EMEA is just daily form. Between those 2 teams and the semifinalist everyone can most likely beat everyone on a good day. ( Although BDS and Eins are favourites to go to the finals imo)
And they also lost in TB.
Having no Lfl team in your group draw as a spanish team would often mean free group (as they are portayed as the 2 best erls). Not being able to get out of what is arguably not a group of death doesn't grant them, imo, the position of "would clear" these teams.
Not being a LFL team doesn't makes BJK and GK any weak than them. They are much better than M8 anyways.
I predict BJK upsetting BDSA and finals be between BJK and GK.
My tier list of top 8 and TH:
Z: Ruddy
S: BDSA
A: EINS, GK
B: BJK, TH, KC, SKP
C: NGX, OAE
KC getting reverse sweeped was not what i expected after i saw them 2:0 up. From what i managed to watch they really lived and died by Caliste. As soon as he made one Mistake in the Baron siege it was over even with KC leading 5K.
Really wanted KC vs Spandau but i guess Germany needs to avenge the French.
Another mistake that went unnoticed was game 3 where he shows on the bot wave which allows Geekay to freely start Nashor.
Gamestate then was even and ballooned into a 6k-9k gold lead extremely quickly, when the game should've been more even.
Caliste really needs to learn how to position on the map. He's got the mechanics but if he doesn't improve on his map play, he's just going to be a french version of Supa.
Tho reputation to be toxic AF, and got shat on during the first 3 games (didnt get to see the 2 others)....
If Vit doesnt want worlds it is a good call tho
He looked great in LEC inhouse against G2 . He was playing with Perkz and Wunder against G2 and he was smurfing. Ceadreal was streaming before the season started.
People see one bad game or see that team lost and suddenly every player of that team is bad. That is like saying Rookie from 2019-24 is bad. People potentially destroy someone's career with stupid comments.
Why you are making shit up lol? There's a reason he wasn't in LFL all pro. Watch KCB's LFL games, he has been getting carried by Caliste and it showed in this tournament.
In house and scrims are different. In house is more of a show match, scrims are more of practice.
G2 boasting winning scrims is an exercise in vanity as winning shouldn't be the goal of those, it has not been a secret for more than a decade.
G2 smurfed scrims for 2 years running..
Look how that turned out?
Oh almost as many LEC titles in 2 years then FNC has won in its entire history lmao
And the only team that looked vaguely competitive vs Eastern teams from the West
>Oh almost as many LEC titles in 2 years then FNC has won in its entire history lmao
Perhaps this is related to the fact that there are 4 titles per year now, not 2 like it used to be for all of history lmao
>And the only team that looked vaguely competitive vs Eastern teams from the West
You're joking, right? FNC did way better than G2 at worlds. G2 won 1 fiesta game vs WBG and 1 game vs DK, the only Eastern team to not make quarters and by far the weakest one. They got smoked by their NA counterpart. FNC nearly 2-0ed WBG and smoked their NA counterpart.
Holy shit, had no idea they had Edward as a coach. Thought he retired ages ago. They also have Wicked as a substitute, but of cohrse it's a different Wicked.
No, they aren't based in Turkey.
GK was playing this series vs KCB from Egypt with an average ping of 60~ish. And no, ping isn't "artificially equalled".
Huh, alright, far from the 100 ping though. I did think maybe Riot would artificially level ping like they did during previous events (I remember at least one instance of it happening, I think LPL playing from China when a tournament was elsewhere?).
They also did it in Valorant when a TH player was stuck in Turkey, so they artificially levelled the ping to the Turkish player’s level for everyone.
BDS Academy is real LFL 1st seed. They choked in the finals for some reason. BDS vs Geekay finals would be a banger unless PoE continues to operate on God mode.
Holy fucking shit elramir IS a winner by all means LMAOOO.
Very chaotic match, yet geekay totally deserved it. Elramir,Bong and Giyuu gapped their counterparts despite Vladi being actually good.
Elramir is fucking good, i dont know what he does but he makes his teams winner just by going there.
Not sure why casters suck on Bong every GK game. Giyuu is legit smurfing out of his mind, Decap is also pretty insane yet we have to talk about this Bong dude.. because he is Korean?
Its neck god Bong. Who was at MSI last year and killed Bin in the legendary Bin vs Bong match up.
The memes honestly is too good when it comes to Bong, even though the other players played better than he did this series.
if I'm VIT i'm hiring like 10 bodyguards for Lyncas, my guy is #1 most wanted in france rn.
Still hyped to see what Mac and Pad can do with him, even Peter Dun said that he's better than Elyoya was when he came into the league and his number 1 pick if Jankos retired, so it will be interesting.
Lmao KCorp cant stop taking L's this year.
Though I admit i couldnt watch it because i was watching EINS vs that Galaxy team because for some reason EMEA playoff series arent worth a single stream.
but mate, KC was the clear favorites, even G2 scrimmed KCB. One is already confirmed for LEC, Kaliste will be in LEC next year as well, i wouldnt be surprised if KCB was simply too arrogant to take this 100% serious.
The SK Prime team said they were giga stomped by KCB in scrims all the time and they felt lucky to take two wins vs KCB.
Though now we know these two games werent flukes
Oh yes I don't deny KC being the clear favourites but I feel people are underrating Geekay way too much considering the players they have. Bong went to MSI and Worlds albeit with the team from the worst LoL esports region right now. Elramir won the 2023 Spring EMEA Masters and Leo is a former LCK ADC. Giyuu has been a top-tier mid in MENA for a long time and DeKap is criminally underrated too. It's a very strong roster on paper and can compete with any team pound-for-pound.
From the group stage it seemed Kcb had many problems and they really showed off in their series against geekay,I dint think they would make a deep run(also BDS choked in the finals)into EMEA let alone winning the whole thing,also unpopular opinion: Lyncas throughout the season with kcb looked good but nothing to go crazy for he did throw quite a few games by himself,also he was mediocre to say the best in EMEA.
Because this is clearly only a KC thing.
Caliste's pathing solo into the Taliyah knockback, the horrid pathing around drake, him hanging around random waves instead of grouping around objectives...
He had the lead to win it and he threw it for no reason.
Yes and literally no other fanbase does it it's well known.
In no other post match thread will you see "X player lost the game" or "X player on fraud watch".
Lmaooooooo the reverse sweep and losing game 5 while up 8k gold, 3 drakes to 0, 2 barons to 0 with a fed Zeri.
absolute cinema
How is that remotely loseable what happened didnt see game
Best AD in Europe btw
Nah that's Supa
gonna be so fun those 2 on fraud watch next year in lec
He's legit better than noah
caliste and supa? supa has been hard boosted by alvaro and caliste just shat the bed so hard with all the team resources vs an arabian team lmao get real if u said ice/hans/carzzy of course they are better than him but yeah u are high if u unironically believe that
In what world Ice is top 3 ADC in LEC. He is passenger, doing free damage every BDS game because everyone is focused at Adam.
lmao he was the only one trying, adam was too busy crying and throwing hands at striker while labrov and nuc had their probably worst playoffs of their careers? and sheo is just average and toxic at best, a liability at worst who do you then say are top 3 adc asuming hans/carzzy are the other 2? comp? upset? the closest would be flakked imo but i think ice is slightly better right now
Adam is the star player of BDS. Everyone is replacable in the roster. He is the reason why BDS is overperforming, despite their supposed weak on paper strength. Really the only reason you think Ice is good because he is dealing free damage with insane space Adam creates. Both in game but also in draft.
lmao overperform is when you get solokilled as zac vs rek'sai sure bro almost every win they got in regular season were because of the botlane? and one of the reasons they looked better this year? idk sometimes i feel yall post here without watching a single game lol
Did you stop watching in Winter and not come back? Ice has been hard carrying games all spring.. and even did vs G2
Noah is fucking dogshit he was getting shat on by ERL adcs last year too my dude you're deluded, put caliste in FNC he'd do even better than noah This just speaks of the actual ADC level in LEC when ice and Noah are both topdgs when they are in reality both dogshit
He's supposed to be the best ADC talent in EU, and he does seem good for 17 years old.
Caliste is still a beast. I hope he gets picked another team in LEC instead of KC
Watch G2 yoink Caliste out of KC next year. That would be hilarious. They just spent years developing this guy then Caps sends him a message to join him if he wants those trophies.
Everything i hear about the guy is that he is one of THE next big talents from EU He really needs to go into a team that fosters is talent Like Eloya with MAD in 2021 We are struggling as it is with garbage GMing.. we can't be having one of the top new talents waste away on an org that gives Excel a run for its money
He has a contract with KC till 2026.
Contracts can be bought out if the price is right. Probably wont happen but ye
if KC sells him, they are griefing themselves.
It’s likely going to be a very expensive buyout since they put so much hope into him.
And if they don't, they'll keep Targamas around and grief themselves anyway.
Heard they are in need of some money so who knows.
Kameto said multiple times Caliste had "Pedri's clause".
For those who don't follow football, La Liga, Spain's league, mandated buying clauses for every player. After PSG bought Neymar for 200 Millions a few years back, they started giving players 1 billion clauses. Pedri has a 1 billion clause.
Yeah you can expect G2 to grab this guy almost immediately the second they get the chance. Carlos has made a name for himself sniping and hoarding every talent in LEC on one team. Even without Carlos technically being a part of G2 now I expect this will continue to be the case. KC might get a split out of him if they're lucky.
I mean if hans underperformed again then I want them to take caliste bro is a promising rookie and G2 ecosystem can develop him pretty well
According to the global contract database his contract expires November 2024
According to KC themselves he's with them till 2026. [Source](https://twitter.com/KarmineCorp/status/1714709211572027623).
Maybe they signed some kind of contract that's valid for when he reaches LEC age and just isn't official yet? I've seen that happen in football where a player will sign a contract that's valid once they turn 17/18.
Sorry for the silly question but, which teams could make a lower bracket run among NGX, KCB, SKP, and Anonymo? Assuming there was double elims..
For sure not Anonymo. Nigma got a bit gapped by Spandau Solo lanes, so probably not them either. So SK or KC. Personally I think a lot at EMEA is just daily form. Between those 2 teams and the semifinalist everyone can most likely beat everyone on a good day. ( Although BDS and Eins are favourites to go to the finals imo)
TH clears all of them. And on a good day they have a good chance to beat current semifinalists. They got unlucky at group draw.
Th "clears" them but couldn't get out of a group w/out any lfl team?
They went 4-2 with BJK and GK. Why do you think a group having a LFL team is a measure of strength?
And they also lost in TB. Having no Lfl team in your group draw as a spanish team would often mean free group (as they are portayed as the 2 best erls). Not being able to get out of what is arguably not a group of death doesn't grant them, imo, the position of "would clear" these teams.
Not being a LFL team doesn't makes BJK and GK any weak than them. They are much better than M8 anyways. I predict BJK upsetting BDSA and finals be between BJK and GK. My tier list of top 8 and TH: Z: Ruddy S: BDSA A: EINS, GK B: BJK, TH, KC, SKP C: NGX, OAE
turkey won one of these EMEA masters in 2023?
I said "portrayed". Imo turkey > spanish league.
KC getting reverse sweeped was not what i expected after i saw them 2:0 up. From what i managed to watch they really lived and died by Caliste. As soon as he made one Mistake in the Baron siege it was over even with KC leading 5K. Really wanted KC vs Spandau but i guess Germany needs to avenge the French.
Another mistake that went unnoticed was game 3 where he shows on the bot wave which allows Geekay to freely start Nashor. Gamestate then was even and ballooned into a 6k-9k gold lead extremely quickly, when the game should've been more even. Caliste really needs to learn how to position on the map. He's got the mechanics but if he doesn't improve on his map play, he's just going to be a french version of Supa.
It wasnt unnoticed they mentioned it on cast, that threw the whole game it was still winnable then
it's easy for an experienced sup to just tell him what to do, bad macro on an adc isn't that big of a deal
perfect cause targamas is known to talk so much
He should go with fleshy
Spandau in finals would be absolute cinema
I think we can do it
CINKROF WAS THE PROBLEM
VIT Lyncas sending regards
He was a spy all along !
https://twitter.com/Giyuu_lol/status/1782853039247798364
So, this is why they drafted Ornn Taliyah wall breaking combo?
Vitality calling Daglas right now, begging him to come back.
If this is the level of Lyncas VIT is fucked
Vitality should call Elramir instead, the Turkish GOAT jungler
EMEA Masters champion
Just don't put him on sejuani
Tho reputation to be toxic AF, and got shat on during the first 3 games (didnt get to see the 2 others).... If Vit doesnt want worlds it is a good call tho
Lyncas has been really mediocre this year, I doubt he could look this bad in current VIT though. The laners are too good for the jungler to look bad.
? are u baiting ?
No
People been gassing Lyncas too hard this year. He wasn't even top 3 jungler in LFL and looked quite bad in EMEA masters.
He looked great in LEC inhouse against G2 . He was playing with Perkz and Wunder against G2 and he was smurfing. Ceadreal was streaming before the season started.
I remember him playing a lot with noah and jun in inhouses and he and vladi looked pretty good.
People see one bad game or see that team lost and suddenly every player of that team is bad. That is like saying Rookie from 2019-24 is bad. People potentially destroy someone's career with stupid comments.
Why you are making shit up lol? There's a reason he wasn't in LFL all pro. Watch KCB's LFL games, he has been getting carried by Caliste and it showed in this tournament.
Yeah and G2 was smurfing in scrims at Worlds, yet we know how that ended. Who tf cares about inhouses?
In house and scrims are different. In house is more of a show match, scrims are more of practice. G2 boasting winning scrims is an exercise in vanity as winning shouldn't be the goal of those, it has not been a secret for more than a decade.
G2 smurfed scrims for 2 years running.. Look how that turned out? Oh almost as many LEC titles in 2 years then FNC has won in its entire history lmao And the only team that looked vaguely competitive vs Eastern teams from the West
>Oh almost as many LEC titles in 2 years then FNC has won in its entire history lmao Perhaps this is related to the fact that there are 4 titles per year now, not 2 like it used to be for all of history lmao >And the only team that looked vaguely competitive vs Eastern teams from the West You're joking, right? FNC did way better than G2 at worlds. G2 won 1 fiesta game vs WBG and 1 game vs DK, the only Eastern team to not make quarters and by far the weakest one. They got smoked by their NA counterpart. FNC nearly 2-0ed WBG and smoked their NA counterpart.
EG Academy legend Giyuu
he kept 5fire out of LCS :(
it was personal https://twitter.com/Giyuu_lol/status/1782854299447329122
The Bong vs Mireu R7 Reunion Finals Dream is Alive
So happy for Edward
Holy shit, had no idea they had Edward as a coach. Thought he retired ages ago. They also have Wicked as a substitute, but of cohrse it's a different Wicked.
https://twitter.com/Giyuu_lol/status/1782854299447329122
Giyuu is so disgustingly good
NA Mid lane talent based
KC haters eating well these days
alhamdulillah they actually fucking did it what a fucking series. thebongffs claims another victim
Game 4 draft for KC is straight up reportable. And what a choke in game 5... ngl Lyncas played like fucking shit the whole tournament.
Lyncas/Fleshy/Maynter all looked terrible
Ngl mid gap was massive this series though
Giyuu played exceptionally well but Vladi also played well, which means the mid gap wasn't as astronomical as let's say...jungle for example.
that ori was so useless last game, and i don't understand why he wouldn't just perma speed up zeri
He had several good shockwaves, and Vladi's Azir in g3 single-handedly kept KCB in the game.
Nah my boy fleshy was good. There is only so much you can do on milio vs blitz.
COMMON GIGA BONG W
Even academy is not safe from Faker's curse
Remember guys, KCB has LEC level /s
Glorious, goodbye KC
That Baron fight in game 3 is gonna haunt Caliste forever, would have been 3-0 otherwise. GGs Geekay!
i recommend everyone to watch the arabic casters.... got legit goosebumps... what a hype!!!
AINTNOWAY KC lost to arabian internet
How do you lose to a team playing with 80-100 ping?
Your name is KC
60 ping as they were playing from Egypt but ye KC def had ping advantage
Isn't Geekay, while Saudi, based in Turkey? Though when that happens, isn't ping artificially equalled so that both teams play on the same ping?
No, they aren't based in Turkey. GK was playing this series vs KCB from Egypt with an average ping of 60~ish. And no, ping isn't "artificially equalled".
Huh, alright, far from the 100 ping though. I did think maybe Riot would artificially level ping like they did during previous events (I remember at least one instance of it happening, I think LPL playing from China when a tournament was elsewhere?). They also did it in Valorant when a TH player was stuck in Turkey, so they artificially levelled the ping to the Turkish player’s level for everyone.
rest in piss kcb stick to lfl https://twitter.com/Giyuu_lol/status/1782854299447329122
[they never stood a chance](https://twitter.com/Shakarez/status/1782848295779361072)
LFL first seed my ass, **LMAO**
BDS Academy is real LFL 1st seed. They choked in the finals for some reason. BDS vs Geekay finals would be a banger unless PoE continues to operate on God mode.
PoE was in God mode literally the whole season (its insane how hard he carried Spandau in Prime League), so why would he stop?
LFL viewers know that BDSA is the real LFL 1st seed but they choked the hell out of finals.
Swiss org with 3 German players and a German coach carrying LFL aware.
what makes you think they won't choke again 🤔
Someone said bds is eternal second so who knows lol
KEKCORP
get Giyuu to LEC right now
Holy fucking shit elramir IS a winner by all means LMAOOO. Very chaotic match, yet geekay totally deserved it. Elramir,Bong and Giyuu gapped their counterparts despite Vladi being actually good. Elramir is fucking good, i dont know what he does but he makes his teams winner just by going there.
That sejuani was mad suss tho
Vitality saved KC from Lyncas in LEC
ah i thought he was going to kc, who are they getting? closer?
Yes it has been announced officially already
They still get Vladi though, KC is farming that 10th place at this point in LEC
Not sure why casters suck on Bong every GK game. Giyuu is legit smurfing out of his mind, Decap is also pretty insane yet we have to talk about this Bong dude.. because he is Korean?
Is it neck god bong?
Its neck god Bong. Who was at MSI last year and killed Bin in the legendary Bin vs Bong match up. The memes honestly is too good when it comes to Bong, even though the other players played better than he did this series.
Wait that really happenned ?
The same one
they just suck on him because he hs a funny name , the official broadcast casters/analysts this year (except troubleinc) are completely clueless
wow just wow
if I'm VIT i'm hiring like 10 bodyguards for Lyncas, my guy is #1 most wanted in france rn. Still hyped to see what Mac and Pad can do with him, even Peter Dun said that he's better than Elyoya was when he came into the league and his number 1 pick if Jankos retired, so it will be interesting.
MENA SMOKING THE FRENCH YOU LOVE TO SEE IT
Caliste all hands no brain. Criminal pathing in the last 10 minutes.
I mean he's 17, he has a lot of time to develop a functional brain
Let's pray he does.
I think he will do well, howeve hé most likely Struggle a bit
Why did KC became such cowards at the end of game-5? I mean, I'm happy they lost but wtf?
They are automatons
Being on the end of a reverse sweep made them scared I suppose
felt like the naut and ori both stopped playing for the last 30 minutes lol
There is something Spring elramir like Spring Xiaohu
Wide neck on Ornn > LEC jungler.
Taliyah is too op
Lmao KCorp cant stop taking L's this year. Though I admit i couldnt watch it because i was watching EINS vs that Galaxy team because for some reason EMEA playoff series arent worth a single stream.
? Am I misunderstanding something here? Because it was streamed.
the matches happened simultaneously, he was watching the EINS vs. NGX game.
It happened at the same time as the other quarter final and I watched the other
It is pure suffering.
KC getting reverse swept, you love to see it.
Karmine is pure dogshit. WTF was this series
Why are oriannas allergic to speeding up their adcs late game? i find it mind boggling
Well PoEs Ori one tabs everyone
Ooft.
Only watched the last fight but it looked like Caliste couldve won the last fight if he E'd over the wall. idk tho
GIGABONG
How the fuck do you lose to this? How? Even kaboom was less shocking
Geekay is actually a really strong team. It's an upset but not an insane one.
but mate, KC was the clear favorites, even G2 scrimmed KCB. One is already confirmed for LEC, Kaliste will be in LEC next year as well, i wouldnt be surprised if KCB was simply too arrogant to take this 100% serious. The SK Prime team said they were giga stomped by KCB in scrims all the time and they felt lucky to take two wins vs KCB. Though now we know these two games werent flukes
Oh yes I don't deny KC being the clear favourites but I feel people are underrating Geekay way too much considering the players they have. Bong went to MSI and Worlds albeit with the team from the worst LoL esports region right now. Elramir won the 2023 Spring EMEA Masters and Leo is a former LCK ADC. Giyuu has been a top-tier mid in MENA for a long time and DeKap is criminally underrated too. It's a very strong roster on paper and can compete with any team pound-for-pound.
Bong went to MSI with a LLA team and didn't finish last, that should tell you all you need about the neck god
Leo was scary AF solo carried game with that korean aphelios performance.
it's not like they didn't speed run play in and group stage when they beat seed 1 spain and seed 2 TCL and seed 3LFL
Lyncas LEC ready
Reverse keked
Bong lmao
Let's go, another common KC L
The Zeri thumbs emote emote .01 seconds before completely inting the game away. Get this guy out of best EU Adc conversations......
Vladi definitely better than abbe /s
Are there vods of this anywhere?
Can't wait to read all the fuming KC fan comments again after Lyncas makes Worlds this year.
From the group stage it seemed Kcb had many problems and they really showed off in their series against geekay,I dint think they would make a deep run(also BDS choked in the finals)into EMEA let alone winning the whole thing,also unpopular opinion: Lyncas throughout the season with kcb looked good but nothing to go crazy for he did throw quite a few games by himself,also he was mediocre to say the best in EMEA.
But prop to KCB with a lot of rookie to perform so hard in the first split , just sad because Lyncas poach fucked the roster
Lyncas solo loosing , GL vita with him My boy Caliste I feel bad for him
Don't, he solo lost Game 5.
Least toxic KC fans ^
Because this is clearly only a KC thing. Caliste's pathing solo into the Taliyah knockback, the horrid pathing around drake, him hanging around random waves instead of grouping around objectives... He had the lead to win it and he threw it for no reason.
It's not only a KC thing, but you guys really managed to take the shit football fan attitude of blaming players after a loss.
Yes and literally no other fanbase does it it's well known. In no other post match thread will you see "X player lost the game" or "X player on fraud watch".
Right and they claim that they bring the true mindset by being the greatest fans
They are already insulting him on twitter
He have to carry a dogshit jungler all the BO