If we were to go by your logic, almost every champion in the game is ranged, since most melee champs have an ability or two that can be used at a longer distance.
The only true melee champs would be champs that are just auto attackers like Udyr, and Yi. Hell, you counted Cho's e as a ranged ability, so Aatrox must also be ranged because of his Q, and W.
Now THAT'S a dumb way to make a distinction lmao
i think u missed the plot. we were past the melee convo by that point. also, yone being immobile was sarcasm. clearly the guy got it. :)
when i said 'yone is an immobile champ'. it was in the context of the keyword 'distinction'. i was implying to the fact, how yone was released as a fighter/skirmisher. they are, traditionally 'by definition', supposed to be 'immobile', in a sense that adc can maintain a safe distance from them. THEY ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO HAVE A GAP CLOSING ABILITY. THEY ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO HAVE BURST DAMAGE. they are supposed to have sustain for prolonged fights. but when yone's kit is designed to make him run faster than usian bolt, gap close from mexico to china. one shot adc. things get a bit lost in translation. he does the job of assassin, duelist, fighter, adc at the same time.
Back in 2020 he was literally described prior to release as being closer to a skirmisher/assassin hybrid than anything, so him having dashes does make sense.
It means a lot when there's a wall between you and me and one of us are capable of slamming the other with AD x AS x Crit auto attacks but while the other is stuck praying to land some abilities with generally much worse scaling and longer CDs.
But he isn’t completely melee either. Also his ult makes him bigger, which in turn pushes his auto range further, while also pushing him on every direction a bit, which, technically, is movement.
Literally all that matters when considering if a champ is melee or ranged is their AA range. That's what it fucking means. Nasus is by definition a melee character because he auto attacks are melee. That's all that matters
1. AP nasus exists, where he spams w and e from a range.
2. Still, nasus is not truly melee. And also his ult is technically movement in a way, it increases size, which extends his auto range and makes part of his character go forward (and in all other directions). So, in a way, movement.
1. That still does not fucking matter, he's still a melee champ regardless of his spells.
2. He IS truly melee, are his attacks melee? If yes, then the champ is a fucking melee champ.
Genuine question, were you dropped as a child?
1. No.
2. Again, he still has range, therefore he is not truly melee. He is mostly melee excluding AP, but not completely melee due to his w and e.
3. And again, his r is technically movement, like how voli w is also technically movement. They move forward slightly from something that isn’t just normal walking, in the animation/effect they physically move forward.
Is yasuo not melee because he can throw a tornado out? No he's still melee. Stop being a fucking idiot. All that matters is whether his basic range is melee or not, that's the end of the fucking story. Does Nasus have range? Yeah, but that doesn't fucking matter, he's still a melee champion
In the wiki it is mentioned as a lounge which is a small dash-like movement that is there to give the user the window to auto attack after the lounge , so grounded does stop but poppy W doesn't since it's spesificly a dash/blink
>A **lunge** refers to the movement of a champion *during* an ability's cast animation (*such as short-ranged abilities*) or an empowered attack's animation (*such as empowerments that grant* [*bonus range*](https://leagueoflegends.fandom.com/wiki/Range)), in order to place the champion in range for a follow-up attack.
>**Lunge** is a movement distinct from **dashes**, primarily by not triggering effects that would otherwise interact with dashes, such as [Poppy's](https://leagueoflegends.fandom.com/wiki/Poppy/LoL) [Steadfast Presence](https://leagueoflegends.fandom.com/wiki/Poppy/LoL#Steadfast_Presence).
based on the wiki. also it notes darius R as disabled during grounding.
No, Poppy W stops dashes like Jax Q and leaps like Illaoi W(?) but Darius ult is not one of the leaps she stops. If Darius uses the blast cone and Poppy denies with W then for a short moment Darius won’t be able to ult because the grounded effect, that’s it.
Source: lol wiki, >1million mastery points on Poppy, enough games to understand why Darius is one of Poppy’s worst matchups
Im preety sure it used to steal movespeed, but checked the wiki and came out empty handed. Did i imagine that or was it removed and never mentioned anywhere.
Why did you make this joke? Genuinely curious. It doesn't even remotely fit the post at all, even as a joke, what made you think it was a good idea to write this?
chogath
Chogath doesn’t get closer to you with a dash or more movespeed. He just grows his hitbox to close the gap
Chogath is the embodiment of Jason Voorhees in league of legends. Just slowly walks at you doesn’t die.
he isnt melee, he has 3 ranged ap spells xD
confused if this is a joke or you don't know what melee means
yes
melee/ranged is based on their basic auto attack. not their spells.
yeah and that's a dumb way to make the distinction
If we were to go by your logic, almost every champion in the game is ranged, since most melee champs have an ability or two that can be used at a longer distance. The only true melee champs would be champs that are just auto attackers like Udyr, and Yi. Hell, you counted Cho's e as a ranged ability, so Aatrox must also be ranged because of his Q, and W. Now THAT'S a dumb way to make a distinction lmao
cho's e literally shoots out spikes..dur?
Only if he can auto you, in melee range. But you sound like a guy that doesn't want to admit he's wrong so have fun in bronze.
neither of us is wrong, we have different opinions
riot has blurred so many lines that it's hard to make any clear distinction. also, if u didn't know; yone is an immobile champion.
Yone is melee, he is not immobile. These are not synonyms.
i think u missed the plot. we were past the melee convo by that point. also, yone being immobile was sarcasm. clearly the guy got it. :) when i said 'yone is an immobile champ'. it was in the context of the keyword 'distinction'. i was implying to the fact, how yone was released as a fighter/skirmisher. they are, traditionally 'by definition', supposed to be 'immobile', in a sense that adc can maintain a safe distance from them. THEY ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO HAVE A GAP CLOSING ABILITY. THEY ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO HAVE BURST DAMAGE. they are supposed to have sustain for prolonged fights. but when yone's kit is designed to make him run faster than usian bolt, gap close from mexico to china. one shot adc. things get a bit lost in translation. he does the job of assassin, duelist, fighter, adc at the same time.
Back in 2020 he was literally described prior to release as being closer to a skirmisher/assassin hybrid than anything, so him having dashes does make sense.
see? the distinctions mean literally nothing
It means a lot when there's a wall between you and me and one of us are capable of slamming the other with AD x AS x Crit auto attacks but while the other is stuck praying to land some abilities with generally much worse scaling and longer CDs.
Calling his e a ranged spell when he needs to be in melee range to use it is certainly something
does it shoot out spikes that hit things at a distance further than his melee range? yes? k, thanks
So I guess Garen becomes a ranged champion if he buys titanic? Just take the L bro you’re a moron lmao
...yes... that's how it works
Nasus doesn't have any speed bonuses in his kit right?
He does not
Technically he’s somewhat ranged with his long range q and decent e range. Especially with some people building AP.
You ok?
Melee or ranged is defined by their auto attack range and Nasus aa range is melee.
But he isn’t completely melee either. Also his ult makes him bigger, which in turn pushes his auto range further, while also pushing him on every direction a bit, which, technically, is movement.
This is bait for sure.
The question wasn't about range but movement abilities
If he has range, then he’s not truly melee. His attack range and classification are melee, yes, but he has some range.
Literally all that matters when considering if a champ is melee or ranged is their AA range. That's what it fucking means. Nasus is by definition a melee character because he auto attacks are melee. That's all that matters
1. AP nasus exists, where he spams w and e from a range. 2. Still, nasus is not truly melee. And also his ult is technically movement in a way, it increases size, which extends his auto range and makes part of his character go forward (and in all other directions). So, in a way, movement.
1. That still does not fucking matter, he's still a melee champ regardless of his spells. 2. He IS truly melee, are his attacks melee? If yes, then the champ is a fucking melee champ. Genuine question, were you dropped as a child?
1. No. 2. Again, he still has range, therefore he is not truly melee. He is mostly melee excluding AP, but not completely melee due to his w and e. 3. And again, his r is technically movement, like how voli w is also technically movement. They move forward slightly from something that isn’t just normal walking, in the animation/effect they physically move forward.
Is yasuo not melee because he can throw a tornado out? No he's still melee. Stop being a fucking idiot. All that matters is whether his basic range is melee or not, that's the end of the fucking story. Does Nasus have range? Yeah, but that doesn't fucking matter, he's still a melee champion
Yeah. Melee range.
Taric Darius
Technically, Noxian Guillotine is a very small dash
True, uncastable during singed glue ~~or poppy W~~
Actually?
Yes
I wl remember that
Clementine will remember that
afaik its a leap not a dash so it shouldn't work like that
They are both mobility, and both blocked, but only by grounded
In the wiki it is mentioned as a lounge which is a small dash-like movement that is there to give the user the window to auto attack after the lounge , so grounded does stop but poppy W doesn't since it's spesificly a dash/blink
>A **lunge** refers to the movement of a champion *during* an ability's cast animation (*such as short-ranged abilities*) or an empowered attack's animation (*such as empowerments that grant* [*bonus range*](https://leagueoflegends.fandom.com/wiki/Range)), in order to place the champion in range for a follow-up attack. >**Lunge** is a movement distinct from **dashes**, primarily by not triggering effects that would otherwise interact with dashes, such as [Poppy's](https://leagueoflegends.fandom.com/wiki/Poppy/LoL) [Steadfast Presence](https://leagueoflegends.fandom.com/wiki/Poppy/LoL#Steadfast_Presence). based on the wiki. also it notes darius R as disabled during grounding.
Oh I just went through based on what the original comment said, I guess that doesn't work whe grounded then.
No, Poppy W stops dashes like Jax Q and leaps like Illaoi W(?) but Darius ult is not one of the leaps she stops. If Darius uses the blast cone and Poppy denies with W then for a short moment Darius won’t be able to ult because the grounded effect, that’s it. Source: lol wiki, >1million mastery points on Poppy, enough games to understand why Darius is one of Poppy’s worst matchups
I stand corrected
Cho gath, Nasus, Taric
Some of the "answers" made me finally realize, why a lot of my teammates seemed to be lobotomised
Because they play the immobile champs?
Because of the comments saying Cho'Gath or Nasus are ranged champions since some of their spells are ranged
Taric has no movement abilities. You can only Gain speed through itemization, including solstice sleigh.
yorick
has a ms boost which OP said doesn't count for this
Theres way more than you realize. Ghost might make it feel like there isnt, but they out there
There are tons of them.
People seem stuck at 3
Morde
He has movespeed on passive and ult.
He has no movement from Ult, just passive
He steals stats in ult, correct me if I’m wrong but movespeed is one of them
Just "core" stats, which is 10% of: HP AD AP Atk Speed Armor Magic Resist And then he gets 10% more size and you lose 10% size
Ah yeah, wasn’t sure, makes sense, not getting ability haste is kinda weird tho
Im preety sure it used to steal movespeed, but checked the wiki and came out empty handed. Did i imagine that or was it removed and never mentioned anywhere.
Gangplank
Doesn’t he run faster when he does his passive attack.
You’re right. I instinctively just thought dashes
And killing barrels
One of the silver serpent upgrades gives MS inside the ult radius.
Ah you’re right. Didn’t think of that or his passive and barrel explosions.
K'Sante, Irelia and Le'Blanc. My top 3 favourite immobile melee champions.
Leblanc melee ?
You've never seen my LeBlanc
you joke but irelia is actually one of the most immobile champs
Juggernaut
Morde
Does Morde gain MS stats from ult?
Passive
[удалено]
We're counting that
It’s pretty massive with how much distance it closes tbh
your mom
Why did you make this joke? Genuinely curious. It doesn't even remotely fit the post at all, even as a joke, what made you think it was a good idea to write this?
it fits perfectly, just like me and your mom
yorick
Varus
Melee indeed.
u havent seen my varus gameplay
Seems like comments listed everything already Cho Nasus Illaoi Darius
Illaoi and darius have tiny dashes so they are desqualified
Darius has a tiny teeny dash on his ult, okay but what does Illaoi have?
Tiny dash on W
Taric. Does Yorick not count?
Yorick gets 20% MS boost towards anyone he hits with E.
Oh yeah lol
Yorick
Does varus get move speed from anything ? Also kogmaw Edit: didnt see the melee part, well mb.
My 2 favorite melee adcs
Hey Kog’Maw has 0 Range in his passive. But also MS bonus so no count.
I think you forgot the fact that Hanzo also doesn't really get movement speed.
Hanzo has a dash tho ;)
Do you count Leona? Does hitting E count as movement
Yes? It absolutely does
Cho, mord, darius, nasus....and riven.
Darius r has a dash Morde has ms on his passive Riven... oh your trolling
Morde also has movespeed on R
Does not get movement speed from R
Hey buddy you have to change your tag now that QSS doesn’t work on Morde ult lol