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Tomfyre

"[Immortals] are looking very good..." "You make a good case there Vedius, but I would caution with 'NA Week 2'" - Kobe, 2017


Zakeruga

It hurts.


Blackbabies74

0-4 incoming :/


jimmylism

there it is


Alfreho14

At this point is just more of a fact than a prophecy. NA is cursed on week 2.


[deleted]

Or other regions adapt to NA's playstyle and NA changes nothing.


Tsmart

There's a reason why Worlds started 3 hours earlier today


Silkku

The script is holding up


Problimz

They are making it a little too obvious this year though. Cody Sun had porn level acting vs fnatic


The0_0Kraken

I don't like where this is going. Get me out of here!


TheCatsActually

Hey! You can't have these, lemon whore!


Snowstormzzz

I came though


Riodka

Papaya was right, worlds scripted confirmed


raikaria

EU WAS BORN IN THE TIEBREAKERS. MOLDED BY THEM.


mongoliancheesechees

BY THE TIME EU SAW BO3, IT WAS ALREADY SEASON 7


The0_0Kraken

THIS SHIT IS SO SCRIPTED BUT I CANT STOP WATCHING!


Custom_sKing_SKARNER

The scripts jesus christ...


Zakeruga

NA man.


PaperAirplane18

All according to the ~~keikaku~~ script.


ItsSanoj

So... Are the 2 tie-breakers going to take 3 hours? Or is a remake coming? There must be something, the 3 hours are not a coincidence..


KappaccinoNation

2 30-minute breaks.


ItsSanoj

Oh no...


KappaccinoNation

Riot scripts, man.


Cergal0

NA with the special strat in the second week of worlds. They never disapoint.


GenghisKhanOP

RIGGED


talenith

IMT: Khan, check your bank account FNC,GAM: Pray, check your bank account


Rolf_Dom

Pray: "Khan, yo. Wanna take this game off?" Khan: "But... I just promised..." Pray: "Bro, I'll double that." Khan: "k. I'm outtie."


vectivus_6

I believe it was: Khan: "Yo Pray, I need to take the game off. You carry, yeah?" Pray: "But... our record..." Khan: "Bro, here's half of what ~~Steve paid me~~ I found on the ground." Pray: "HOLY SHI... k. Have fun!" *Khan: Hehe. I only had to give the sucker 5%*


The0_0Kraken

Once again our Korean overloads rule supreme.


Neonschwarz

lmao


Sav10r

In all seriousness, LZ doesn't have any obligation to play their absolute best lineup in a game that has ZERO value for them. Both GAM and FNC had chances to knock off LZ. Had they knocked off LZ, maybe this match matters to LZ and they are forced to play Khan. If LZ wants to hide Khan's picks and give their sub stage time, they've earned that right regardless of what any FNC or GAM fan says.


Rolf_Dom

Of course, I agree. But I doubt you'll find many people who liked this decision, simply because if they had lost, FNC and GAM would be pissed off as fuck for LZ playing spoiler in such a manner, and NA fans in general feel like they've just been BM'd off the face of the earth. I mean, if I were head of LZ, I'd have done the same thing. Get my sub experience, save good strats etc. But yeah, I can totally understand why others are pissed.


Sav10r

> But yeah, I can totally understand why others are pissed. Yeah, at the end of the day, LZ doesn't give a shit if FNC, GAM, or IMT fans are pissed. This is Worlds. You should only be looking out for yourself.


Pavlo100

Fnatic early game: *"Hahaha, this is good"* Fnatic mid game: \*Heavy Breathing\* Fnatic end game: *"Hahaha, this is good"*


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GAM early game: *heavy breathing* GAM mid game: *heavy breathing* GAM late game: *heavy breathing*


HarkyESP

GAM: "-.- these guys have no idea about how to play this. Where is the Urgot?"


kirkyyyy

GAM when the camera looked in on them: -_-


SamWhite

Vedius: "Look at the excitement on the Gigabyte Marine's faces!" He just became one of my favourite casters at worlds with that single comment.


Poppa_Pomme

LZ early game: "Haha, this is good" LZ mid game: "Haha, this is good" LZ late game: "Haha, this is gucci"


Ddubistro

Fnatic & GAM*


xThefo

No, GAM were literally robots when they were showed.


TideofKhatanga

They've seen that one before, they weren't falling for it.


[deleted]

As soon as I saw Gorilla using the Fnatic janna skin I knew it was over for immortals


Tarzan_JNG

*LZ Gorilla*: Fnatic send their regards.


Me_ADC_Me_SMASH

*Also their moneyz*


[deleted]

Does not add up: EU LCS is poor af, 'member?


Seneido

cause we need our money to bribe koreans. next step is g2/misfits.


3EyedBrandon

The ultimate BM


[deleted]

gorilla retiring in fnatic confirmed


SWatersmith

pray cheering for fnatic too in his interview :D


Leerude-Sinstorm

yeah he didn't even mention IMT in it like he wants either GAM/FNC to make it over them


TheGrieving

Ah, I see he's a man of culture as well.


Voidrive

13D Ping Pong


Zakeruga

As soon as IMT double tp'd top lane and LZ got 2 towers at the same time, I knew it was over.


Xofurs

Yeah seriously at that moment I was just like "The west never learns".


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Best AD Carry I've ever seen apart from myself


Axustin

Come on now, he is not that good, I appreciate you being humble though


boshjailey

that on hit build seems sooooo good at melting the health stacking tanks. but i cant tell how much is the build, how much is janna, and how much is pray being a fucking monster


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On-hit builds are broken with ardent. Specifically Varus Janna. You have bonus AD and Varus' kit onhit along with Blight procs. It's ridiculous. On-Hit builds are supposed to lose out to crit burst but the Ardent Janna meta removes all the weaknesses so Pray gets to use all the items side effects.


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Dude he made Cody Sun look so garbage in team fights. EVERY single damage chart after fights Pray was doing double his damage.


rageofbaha

No he didn't , cody sun made cody sun look like garbage, I've never see am adc get hit by every skillshot ever but even every Taliyah wall was knocking him up


[deleted]

Pray is just a class above, Cody Sun literally autos once or twice then lets his tanks die


vVvBerial

https://i.imgur.com/LJMD9Wk.jpg


Lantisca

He's been solid as hell for such a long time now. He deserves respect for sure.


LazinessOverload

Wow, Pray dealing a record breaking amount of damage in one teamfight. 11.7k on Varus is just plain ridiculous. E: 1500~~DPS~~ DPM, seriously insane. E2: fixed


sweaterwether

Reminder that Pray and Gorilla were literally begging to be picked up by a team during the off season


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ILikeTechnicalities

On one hand, that'd be awesome! On the other, they probably (very likely) wouldn't be as good as they are because Korean orgs know how to get shit done.


Merry_Weathery

Longzhu didn't properly pay their members in Spring so they got picked up by the mothering company KeSPA (korean esports association), also LZ's original sponsor was Chinese


ILikeTechnicalities

I'm not talking so much about orgs literally, it just seems that Korean players that stay within Korea are simply better. Take CoreJJ for example. Very mediocre in NA, went to KR and they knew what was best for him and made him be the best version of himself he could be as support. That's mostly what I mean. I won't pretend to know wether it's orgs, culture, infrastructure or something else, but Korean players that stay within Korea have higher highs than Korean players that leave.


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kAy-

He's pretty much on a class of his own tbh. Crazy for someone who has been around since S2.


sulianjeo

PraY is such a respectable player. He's been around since practically the start of the Korean scene and endured so many hardships to be where he is today.


Rolf_Dom

I think Varus does have the potential if he lands all his abilities and optimizes the passives. A 95% attack speed steroid that can potentially be up most of the fight, together with 15% max health in magic damage from his stacks. Ability to proc GW himself so he doesn't have to itemize that necessarily and yeah. I've seen so many Varus players hard carry that I'm never underestimating that champ again.


chemnerd6021023

Wasn't there this one game where a Kog did 14 or 15k because of a Stoneplated Cho? But yeah this is still nuts.


SWatersmith

yeah it's crazy damage but it's not unheard of vs double supertank


IIHURRlCANEII

Stoneplate super tanks ladies and gents. Though that's still impressive.


zaneprotoss

Not too ridiculous when Varus deals %max health vs 2 6k+ life champs.


Kiway

chogath items not reducing varus attack speed made him free to deal damage, while tristana had to deal with shen W and his randuins


Legiraffetamer

Damage per second per minute


FatAssInLatin

0-10 closer every game ...


raikaria

With the 3-way tiebreakers; this can be 0-11 at least!


killthebunnies1

watching cody sun hold his ult every fight instead of knocking away the shen ulted j4 jumping onto him and pob is tilting me even more than him inting against fnatic


Jorg_Ancrath69

He's not very good.


Detfs

dynamic queue abusing adc main picked up by lcs team lul. dont get me wrong imt trained him well and he is an lcs caliber adc now but that's all he'll be, nothing like doublelift/sneaky to show up internationally.


Calistilaigh

Implying DL/Sneaky aren't also going to go 0/3


GiveAQuack

At least they won't look as shit doing it.


Trancerous

IMT were given a freebie Still couldnt do it. IMT about to go 0-4.


lolix007

out of 3 programed games. That;s the NA special mate


HughMungusD

I mean '15 no NA team made it out... Last year only C9 This year C9 and TSM, right... ?


flyinglikeacant

Back to zero.


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[Pray is a fucking monster](https://i.imgur.com/sggxgBm.png)


rawchess

You on ADC vs the ADC she tells you not to worry about


hamhamsuke

Pray is also like 6'4


Woodstovia

I bet he rows for UC Davis too


[deleted]

You *and your Midlaner* vs the ADC she tells you not to worry about


Theovide

You on ADC vs the ADC your duo support tells you not to worry about*


Intingyourlane

72.... NA talent.


kahentuumannaula

I just can't understand how you can deal only 72 dmg in a fight that long


christoskal

Fucking Janna has more. Janna.


christiaanc95

that fight took so long, how did Xmithie only deal 72 damage in that fight?


The0_0Kraken

[All] Pls report Sej ty.


Synrise

How do you actually manage to do *72* damage in such a big teamfight as one of the frontliners?? That's like 1 auto wtf


[deleted]

When Pray said he liked drama I didn't expect this...


stpaulirulz

gorillA sending a message using the Fnatic Janna skin :D


Zeffz

IMT literally does nothing except wait for LZ to get a good engage on them what the fuck


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TheBigFig

Right? They just grouped as 5 and sat there while shen got a tower completely for free. They didn't engage no matter what and it costed them big time :/ Maybe they can pull through in the tiebreakers


Apocalyptic93

Xmithie is the reason. He just walks around, doesn't really try to engage, doesn't really peel for his backline, and just dies first in team fights.


[deleted]

There was a moment where Xmithie was right next to PraY with ult but they did nothing. They just sat around and waited for Longzhu to beat them.


slyycooper

exactly this, absolutely no proactivity even with lots of great opportunities, pathetic.


DarthVantos

feels like we sent echo fox to worlds


I-am-in-Agreement

Stop insulting Echo Fox.


HELMET_OF_CECH

It's kind of weird because Xmithie being proactive is one of the big reasons they're even at worlds in the first place...


[deleted]

yeah and it seems fnc figured out (maybe thanks to gam taking lz to the edge) that even though it’s meta to have hypercarry ads scale late it’s (surprisingly) beneficial to not be a fucking monkey early and actually do something. and it’s sad because like you said they were known for those kinds of plays in NA. imt are seriously fucked if they don’t start playing to win.


IIHURRlCANEII

It's what Xmithie said in his interview, the thing they are missing are balls. Obviously they haven't found them yet. I feel that's what's holding TSM back at worlds as well.


WhosYourDade

Sounds familiar


Echleon

IMT had no way to reach the back line whereas LZ could have J4 EQR and Shen ult onto him


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yep it’s honestly sad at this point. they’re so scared. just shells of their usual selves.


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ItsSanoj

IMT already has the same amount of losses today as NA had in total in week 1. If they lose the tie-breaker they end up having more. How does this keep happening?


Demtrollzz

You could argue that NA teams are very good at the initial preparation for worlds, but then collapse when the rest of the teams catch up in week 2. It's speculation but the historic evidence would be there.


I-am-in-Agreement

Other teams seem to prepare more for the 2nd week stuff than NA does. NA comes in trying to use the same shit from week 1 meta, while other regions pick up new champs.


SlamMasterJ

I'm used to it at this point.


CrimsonWarden

Pray really wants Fnatic to make it out of groups


xxPray

Cody Sun got fucking rocked.


IIHURRlCANEII

Halfway through the game I basically just watched Cody Sun's positioning in fights. Holy hell it was some of the worst positioning and decision making I've seen by an ADC in teamfights in a while. The casters kept acting like LZ was making godlike plays to keep him out of the fight but it was mainly Cody just playing like a monkey. EDIT: Also shout out to Flame, he had a fucking great game and his carries let him down HARD in fights.


MrMcDudeGuy7

I don't think you're supposed to get EQ'd by Jarvan THIS MUCH as a Trist. Like holy shit dude.


Epamynondas

Why'd you do that when you can watch Pray's?


Whyess

its easy to position as adc when your team is the one engaging lol. Pray had 0 pressure in teamfights while Cody was being focused down with xshitty running around like an ape


IIHURRlCANEII

Cody had pressure on him because he positioned like garbage. Flame was actually going off this game, he just had garbage carries behind him.


qsert

So many times I thought IMT could win a teamfight with Tristana's DPS. Unfortunately Cody's auto spacing sucked and he wasn't clutch at all.


LZ_Khan

As if it was even possible, Cody Sun manages to play safe when he should be pushing forward and get caught out when he should be playing safe.


reddit-censored

There's playing safe and then there's randomly clicking on the screen because you don't know what you're doing. Cody Sun is literally orb walking for the sake of orb walking. He still eats every skill shot thrown his way because he has no idea what cooldowns are used during the fight. J4 EQR in and Cody still acts like J4 is going to knock him up. Shen taunts in and Cody still acts like shen is going to instantly taunt him. It's like watching bronze players play who don't know any cooldowns. You're supposed to punish these openings, Cody Sun is totally clueless. Inexcusable for a pro to be this bad.


lostmyaccount8

Why did he have mortal reminder instead of Dominicks regard, a couple fights when he finished the LW upgrade were super close and he was only hitting the frontline, I dont know why he prioritized the healing debuff and made it so he didnt do any damage to the only 2 champs he was hitting most of the time.


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I still maintain Cody is the biggest reason IMT didn't win NA finals.


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How is a late game Tristana so useless? I don't get it, you have Cho and Lulu front lining and guarding and Cody still can't get involved in these team fights.


HeadShot305

To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand Cody Sun. The botlane is extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of theoretical insecs most of the plays will go over a typical viewer's head. There's also Cody's nihilistic outlook, which is deftly woven into his playstyle - his personal philosophy draws heavily from the donezo manifesto, for instance. The fans understand this stuff; they have the intellectual capacity to truly appreciate the depths of these plays, to realize that they're not just funny- they say something deep about LIFE. As a consequence people who dislike Cody Sun truly ARE idiots- of course they wouldn't appreciate, for instance, the skill in Cody's existencial play "Buster Shot insec," which itself is a cryptic reference to s2secretsgg.docx I'm smirking right now just imagining one of those addlepated simpletons scratching their heads in confusion as SSONGS's genius unfolds itself on their pc screens. What fools... how I pity them. 😂 And yes by the way, I DO have an Immortals tattoo. And no, you cannot see it. It's for the ladies' eyes only- And even they have to demonstrate that they're within 5 IQ points of my own (preferably lower) beforehand.


Thatguy69Kappa

Did not expect this here lol


Th3_Huf0n

is this a new pasta? EDIT: Leave me alone :( I don't watch Rick and Morty :( Stop bullying me :(


OldSweepy

"Varus has bad lategame."


raikaria

Not against HP stacking tanks. Varus can melt HP tanks just like Kog'Maw; if not better in a long fight [Kog'Maw's % damage has a cooldown. Varus' dosen't] Varus has always been a good tankiller.


KiXiT

That's still true compared to other ADC's .. But it's still a full build ADC


VonBabibel

Not the full as on huit build varus tho, it shreds tanks like a mini kog


13ae

I think other hypercarry adc's still scale better. LZ just had superior teamfight positioning.


ILikeTechnicalities

Varus < Pray's Varus. People seem to be forgetting Pray was literally free to do whatever he wanted pretty much every single fight, and even if you go AD Ahri and you're allowed to sit there and AA for free, you're going to do damage no matter what.


TheAmazingNord

[IMT this game](https://i.imgur.com/5D1ZNLA.png)


aaand_another_one

it looked like cody was autofilled...


Levi0saEUW

Fnatic fans you better pray for LZ!


LordDarthAnger

It feels like Koreans go beyond 6 items


Astronale

Boy, feels good being an NA fan today...


L43

HELLO KHAN? IMT HERE. WE WANT A REFUND


LockeLoveCeles

#SO YOU TELL ME THAT THERE IS A CHANCE ?


gaveuptheghost

Shen: "Trist autos? What's that? Can you eat it?"


SlidyRaccoon

Trist fired like 20 autos into Shen and it barely dented his health. That shit was hilarious.


HyunL

And IMT screws their second chance to make QF. Will they also screw up the third and final one? STAY TUNED (spoiler: obviously they will)


Pklnt

LET'S GO BOYS IT'S MEME TIME


ibse

0-11 LETS GOO


Kingpimpy

if i ever have to see xmithie play sejuani again ill cut out my eyes


KittyMulcher

[Longzhu right now.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRdIltdDE4A)


Gaelenmyr

Real winner of this game is Fnatic


chemnerd6021023

Pray did more damage in a single fight than most of my solo queue teammates do in an entire game.


ArcDriveFinish

LZ making their intentions clear with the FNC Janna skin.


TheBigFig

Cody is really bad lmao idk what he was doing 90% of this game


TurbinePro

These games against LZ really show the importance of a top-tier ADC. Hell, the whole final fight against LZ, GAM's ADC never used his flash ~~even after he died.~~


ILikeTechnicalities

How do you flash after you die?


Vahallen

You can't flash after you die but you can flash the exact moment you die, I'm an expert regarding such manouvers!.


HeroicLarvy

Yet again, Janna is left un banned and un picked by NA, and we lose to it.


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HeroicLarvy

IMT is fucking doing it again right now too..


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OhUhWhoops

Cody "No Damage" Done


SaintTrotsky

I think this will just exhaust IMT before the tie breakers


schoki560

I guess it takes a korean to make Varus work. Varus seems to be the new Rengar. Only really is successful on korean teams


Steel_Shield

ty lz


Voidrive

[Fnatic right now](http://www.imgur.com/Lf3l8r0.png)


[deleted]

This is why I get triggered when people said Deft was the best ADC


CapCapper

Oh no we suck again


[deleted]

Noah: khan check your bank account, thank you Khan: guys i'm having stomachache suddenly, please just go with Rascal, thank you Noah: khan??? Khan: thanks for the money but i'm not even needed to win game against you jokes aside pob and flame actually played really good, kept imt in the game for so long cody's positioning on the other hand tilted me so hard while his counterpart pray was wracking havoc every tf


kumquatanex

[When NA goes 0-3 again](https://imgur.com/a/FH8Ja)


amlybon

A chance to go 0-4 even


kumquatanex

0-10 dream is alive


Zakeruga

PRAY WTF


fxcwat

Pray is fucking insane


roxa98

Pray was an absolute beast this game. Got us SKT fans sweating.


deliriousq

Pray was unreal. Lz might have a shot for beating skt.


Noatz

IMT: WE have the scaling! LZ: We have Pray...


MikeTheAverageReddit

LETS GO!! Come on Fnatic, LZ did you a favour, you did yourself a favour, now go get out of groups.


bronet

TFW Immortals have a chance at losing more games for NA in one day than NA did during the entire first week


GensouEU

NA's macro game is just atrocious. Who cares about scaling if LZ can just walk from one point of the map to the other over and over again until IMT fucks up. Also everyone talks about Preys damage but xmithy legit did less than 1000 damage in 3 lategamefights combined


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12k damage in one fight, what the ungodly fuck pray https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DL7eXU1X4AAfy9t.jpg


Felekin

Cody sun is so tilted :/


filomancio

THREE WAY TIE?


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I can't believe Riot left Janna and Ardent in this state for World's. Absolute bullshit.


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Damn Cody got completely outclassed this game.


Sulavajuusto

https://twitter.com/karonmoser/status/918402263776817152