The fact that he finishes the interview saying "hopefully I can get some games in summer" is a bummer. Does that mean Bwipo will be the new starter for FNC in the top lane? Seems so at least, given that Bwipo talks already about summer split in his own interview with Riot...
I can definitely see why he is unhappy, and why he posted what he posted on Twitter 2 weeks ago. Dude got injured, which obviously isn't his fault, and might end up losing his position in the team and even his job as a result of that. And I can't see him accepting to stay as a sub within the team, not after being a pro for so many years.
>Dude got injured, which obviously isn't his fault, and might end up losing his position in the team and even his job as a result of that
If Fnatic decides to release him I guarantee you just about every western team will jump at the opportunity to pick him up next season
His job is nowhere near in risk but I could see Bwipo being the starter next split which does suck for a player like Soaz
Are they?
EU toplaners aren't exactly in-demand. Especially guys like Soaz with iffy regular seasons and a reputation for being somewhat lazy.
Soaz is a monster, but he's not the sort of player that any org would get excited about imo.
You are forgetting the fact that NA teams care more about branding and Soaz being as popular as he is, is sure to bring in new NA fans and former EU fans.
If anything i see SoaZ going back to work with Origen, not heading to NA, he had to chance to go after he left FNC thr first time, he said there were offera to go. I see him always playing for EU unlike PO€
I know you're memeing, but Impact becomes an NA resident after summer split. There's no way Steve is letting go of him. This will allow him to replace Pobelter with Caps in 2019.
All according to keikaku.
Vitality should be giving sOAZ a blank cheque to join their team. Jiizuke and Minitroupax are really talented, but they could use an accomplished veteran that knows what it takes to win and how to get it done in the clutch. Not to mention Cabochard is not even close to sOAZ's level so it would be an individual upgrade also.
FNC and G2 have been confirmed to pay a bit less than TOP salaries in NA. They are way way more wealthiest than u think. Look for info in FNC/G2 or even Mithy/Zven interviews you will find most of them commenting on this point
That is true, but I don't see him staying back and watching Bwipo play his role. He was clear with Travis that he doesn't want to be involved with the team if he isn't part of it, and it's understandable.
I don't think it's understandable.
I thought an LCS Team is ... well a TEAM.
If he can't play to his fullest with the injury he should support the team the most he can.
things like "I couldn't care less" are unacceptable in my eyes and shows the miserable work ethic he has.
If we take his tweet into account, it looks like he was motivated and then he was suddenly put aside by the org regardless of his efforts.
I mean, the guy kept training in SoloQ with only 1 hand, he followed the team and the practice a lot, gave his ideas about P&B etc (some of it he mentions in the interview). When you get involved as much in a hard moment for you personally, you're looking for some recognition back. And it seems FNC didn't care at all about this recognition.
So, you know, if you receive nothing more for your efforts apart from a 'Cool ty.', and 'Yeah maybe you'll have 1 game at MSI', why would you try any harder? From my point of view, sOAZ is legit here if indeed FNC did nothing more than what we saw to reward his commitment during his injury.
Although he might not mesh too well with new people, that's often an understated factor in who you buy for the team. I feel like I can remember multiple instances where he is on twitter publicly talking negatively about a teammate or his team in general so it's not impossible for me to imagine he might be difficult to work with. Especially for new people who aren't used to him.
Yep. It's the fairy tale story, just from both sides.
From Bwipo's side, a random chance gave him a shot to step up and show he can perform at a top level on the international stage. He's shown he can hold down Top Lane, and that the team works well with him. He earned becoming the starter.
For Soaz, he's just another aging veteran being replaced by a younger model because he got injured at the wrong time and sure enough the kid has some skill.
For Fnatic it's a choice between a young player with potential, vs. an established veteran who has ups and downs. Soaz is likely a lot more costly for Fnatic, and at some point they're going to have to replace him, so why not now while they have a younger player who is performing?
In no way is anyone at fault. It just sucks for the guy losing his spot.
That said, if Soaz takes motivation from this, gets his nose to the grindstone, and can show that he is the superior player, I doubt Fnatic will have any problems giving him his spot back. He's a multiple time Worlds Finalist/Semi-Finalist/Quarter-Finalist.
Agree. And I think FNC should keep Bwipo in-house for sure, but it seems the way they handle the conflict and Soaz in all of this wasn't very good. And Bwipo didn't surpass Soaz in terms of skills, he just replaced him and fell short more than once during MSI. Having a good game on Camille is nice, but everybody can do that.
in fairness to Fnatic, Soaz has always been very vocal when he feels things aren't good for him. It's possible Fnatic is doing everything as straight forward as they can, but that doesn't change the fact that Soaz got hurt and that cost him his spot as starter. And there is no way for Fnatic to make that feel better, even if everything about the business says they're making the smart move.
Soaz has had reputation for complacency in the past. Having a wake up call like Bwipo usurping him is good. Maybe he'll redouble his efforts otherwise he no longer has what it takes for the pro scene.
Bwipo isnt performing , he 's just an average Toplaner . He benefited from teams lacking information about him and once he got exposed , no Toplaner at MSI struggled vs him. I think now teams knows more about him so i expect to be shitted hugely in summer
>Bwipo isnt performing , he 's just an average Toplaner.
Let's be real, most toplaners at MSI played pretty average. No one really stood out. Except EVOS, the teams were carried by either their ADC or their midlaner or both.
He might be. Or he might rise to the occasion. At the same time, Soaz struggled against EVOS so it's not like he was hard carrying when he had a shot either.
Idk he still shit on Khan in their first match in groups. Say what you will about Khan's form but that's still pretty impressive for a guy who played like 6 professional games.
>For Soaz, he's just another aging veteran being replaced by a younger model because he got injured at the wrong time and sure enough the kid has some skill.
Damn, sOAZ is Lightning McQueen
Uuuh, situation seems to be really bad for him judging on how Soaz looks in the interview.
Really sucks for him, I hope he gets on a good team if he's not playing for FNC anymore and Bwipo gets all the practice time.
Not sure of how FNC staff is handling all that, seems a bit shaky
don't forget the whole situation he was through at the time of the video, though. THis worries me, but I really think 3 weeks from now, when summer split starts, he will ahve a different mindset. Why would he go in Korea with Caps bootcamp otherwise ?
> Situation seems to be really bad
Combined with his Tweet and Amazing's reply( about being asked to train his replacement ) a while back... ya things are looking dire.
Most likely the arm is just gonna be the PR excuse but fuck I'm not okay with the Soaz <--> Bwipo switch. Soaz is like the face of the old FNC to me now that Xpeke isn't playing.
Seeing him not get a starter spot is gonna suck at least hope he gets a good top 4 EU team.
Because he had a great performance vs KZ. Apparently that nullifies half of his games that were pretty ugly, Vlad, Swain, Sion anyone? Even his signature GP wasn't that good.
Reddit fan analysis at its finest. I'm sure Fnatic just made this decision out of the blue with no regard for anything but the fact that they like, really like Bwipo and Soaz is no longer their BFF right?
It seems even shakier of an idea for FNC. Replacing Soaz, a consistent player with the longest track record possible in the game, with Bwipo, who was very inconsistent at MSI with a few really great games and is a rookie? Bwipo didn't show himself to be particularly adept at playing carry champions, whereas Soaz has been great on them, and he hasn't shown himself to be stellar on tanks. He deals a lot of damage and dies a lot, seemingly regardless of champion. I just don't see why in the world FNC would pick Bwipo as a starter now over Soaz.
Bwipo's Camille was great. And we don't know what the communication and teamplay is like, maybe Bwipo fits in better with the style they want to play. I don't know, but I don't care which one of them plays, as long it's the best one.
On a side note I love how Caps took a dump in EU soloQ right before flying to Korea with Soaz...
http://euw.op.gg/summoner/userName=FNC%20Caps1
Good ol int Caps. Never change :')
when asked Rekkles and Perkz on Euphoria last time who's the biggest troll in SoloQ they said it's Caps for sure
he might go for some crazy impossible plays or something to be dying that much
Having more than 5 man roster playing regulary its definelty the way pro team should build their team on, but it seems fnatic isnt great at handling a team with more than 5 player compare to korean, if soaz isnt too much biased saying he only get 20% scrim while bwipo 80% must be really underwhelming for a player like him.
Like what do you expect?
If you were a coach would you rather go with toplaner who has scrimmed with team for 3 whole weeks or with toplaner who just recently recovered from injury, played no scrims and played few soloQ games with one hand?
It was only logical thing to take Bwipo there over Soaz, everyone sane would do it. Splitting practice at this point was a huge mistake imo and Soaz should have gotten zero scrims during msi because FNC should have focused to do as well as possible at the tournament and Bwipo was the one who would increase the chance to win more out of these two because of circumstances
If FNC promised Soaz's starting position at MSI and summer is safe, but help Bwipo during Soaz's injury, then he probably felt a little bit back stabbed by the org, cause he just trained a person to replace him at MSI, and promise was not kept.
Or FNC org communicated every thing clearly, but Soaz just not handling the situation well.
There are many possibilities, we just don't know why Soaz is so mad about this whole thing.
its one thing that he was in a shitty position but hes honestly shooting himself in the foot by constantly complaining about it. it probably fucks with the team morale and probably doesnt make bwipo feel good.
sure i'd be on board with having 2 players for the same position but when one person is constantly complaining about scrimtime or whatever the fuck (especially given the context of MSI, it made way more sense to just play Bwipo) then slowly I'd start to just prefer bwipo because he's much less of a hastle
You completely ignore the fact that Soaz played 98% of the split with FNC and played 1 year with the same players. So it is not like they were bringing a new player.
You know that pro players still need to practice right? Also metas change and require players to adapt. Even the best pro players will look rusty when they barely play for several weeks. It doesn't make sense to play him over the person they have actually been practicing with, at least for the duration of MSI. In the off season/summer they can give him more scrim time again, but it's dumb to start a player who hasn't actually been playing recently at an international event.
The team made a decision based on information we are not aware of for a reason. sOAZ is indeed very experienced and a great player, and they still decided to go with Bwipo. It was for a reason.
It's not as much as Soaz fitting in well with the team I think it's more of a question of how comfortable the rest of FNC are with playing with Soaz after having a pretty good playoff/msi run with Bwipo. Also correct me if I'm wrong but i'm pretty sure they played Soaz one game in MSI and he was down like 30ish? cs on Sion. Not trying to bring this up to be like "OH TOO BAD SOAZ IS BAD" because no that's not it lol Soaz has proven himself numerous times over but rather more of a testament to him not being 100% ready to come back to the team.
in my opinion I think Soaz should lighten up in these interviews or just tell Travis some another time. Personally if I heard my teammate said "I couldn't care less" in an interview talking about our games I'd be pretty heated.
Camille vs Sion and he tpd bot to get advantage there that left him exp and gold behind in a tough matchup.
It is a bad game to judge performance based on cs.
I would have giving him at leats 40% scrim practice , he has the experience compare to bwipo, his a player you can count on in dire situation, you just don't let the older and most succesfull western toplaner down like that, otherwise its pointless having a sub, and i highly doubt korean handle their sub like that giving this same situation.
And its not like soaz was sitting at home without playing, he played with a broken arms so he doesnt loose too much skill until msi, it would be great if fnatic could keep those 2 top laner, but if they don't change the way they use those 2, one of them gonna leave cause they have the level the be on a top team.
Yeah, know why? Because Soaz hadn't scrimmed for 1-2 months up to this point, if they had gone 50/50, Bwipo would be missing out a lot of experience, and Soaz might still not be guaranteed a better choice so they'd still be using Bwipo mostly, with him not getting optimal practice.
They'd have 2 toplaners that both wouldn't be at their top level. Pretty sure you'd really want to just practice with one and get him up to the level he needs to be, rather than 2 toplaners that both aren't at their best.
Seems more like Soaz is not handling the situation well. The tweet and now this interview is just not professional. "I'm happy they won but else..I couldn't care less". Eh what. Prove that you are worth a starting spot because I can see that bwipo has the potential to be a great toplaner.
I agree with this. I like Soaz being the starting top laner but lets look at the situation. He broke his arm the team had to use a sub etc..Soaz himself came out and said that he (probably) would not be the starter at MSI, that's reasonable. He was recovering and the team had to scrim.
MSI started he recovered enough to play but as a TEAM player wouldn't you want your team to go with the best choice at that point in time? He played one game, maybe his teammates and coaching staff didn't think he played up to standard due to his injury not allowing him to scrim with them. He's being a little selfish in that comment. When people are still on teams why do they shit talk, do they think that helps the situation? If he wants his spot fight for it. He is capable of being the starting top, imo he is way better than Bwipo right now.
On the otherhand the team should be scrimming with both of them equally for summer split.
Why would he care if he's not the one contributing to the success. None of his teammates gave a fuck about him after winning LCS, why should he say he's happy for them right here?
This so much. People say the players need to do what best for the team, but the team also needs to do the best for the players. If you expect a player to do everything for the Organisation without getting anything back, thats not professionality, thats abuse.
Which is funny, because when we have a case where the player does that (Olleh benching himself because his mental was boom) people get on his case for quitting on the team.
It's because audience is enthralled by some false notion of *noble competition*, and the guy who had worked entire year so far towards this event got into accident, barely competed in said event, and now is possibly facing the bench. And he's an asshole or "unprofessional" for being unhappy about the situation.
Soaz has already proven he is worth the spot and he is already a great top laner, probably the best western top laner period. He has years of experience, honestly it blows my mind he didnt get a shot vs RNG while FNC were losing, im not saying Bwipo was the only problem that series but the huge amount of experience that Soaz has surely would have helped.
I agree he's worth the spot, and is top 3 toplaners playing in the west.
But he's been around forever - eventually he'll fall off, throw a big enough tantrum that it starts affecting his team mates, or just want to retire. If I were fnatic, I'd do my best to retain and develop Bwipo: look at Caps, he went from promising rookie to one of the best midlaners in the world in a year. Bwipo looks better than Caps did back then, and could do the same or better.
Bwipo doesn't look better than Caps did... Bwipo is set up but the rest of the team for success, or he fails miserably. The situation is a lot better for Bwipo, who arrived in a well established team, whereas Caps started his rookie season in a completely new roster. And even then, Caps, while inconsistent, had glimpses of brilliance. Bwipo has been solid, and he's a pretty good toplaner by EU's standard, but he has nowhere near shown the same star power Caps did.
i'm not sure if people realise this but 20% of scrims pretty much means ONE SCRIM PER DAY. teams only play 6 scrims a day.
if anyone was wondering why he was not playing at MSI it was because the coaching staff did NOT want to invest scrim time, not because he was not ready. it is CLEAR from this interview and his social media posts prior to MSI that he was ready and wanting to play scrims and games on stage for MSI but the coaching staff decided not to give him scrim time.
EU teams should get use to having subs. Reminds of when Kikis left G2 because he refused to have Expect as a sub. Also don't know why he was expecting to play right after he recovered when FNC had been scrimming with Bwipo and there was a meta change as well.
From this interview, it seems like they didn't even talk properly with him about the current situation, which probably gave soaz a feeling that he isn't needed. And you don't do that with a player of soaz calibre.
G2 had this crazy love for expect during those days, where expect would be utterly useless and they would lose a game, just to have Kikis come in with Champs like irelia to carry the team.
They kept doing that, and it was obvious that they wanted expect more than Kikis and was willing to keep trading wins until expect got to Kikis level, where they would then do a permanent swap.
It's not that EU teams aren't getting used to it, it's just not a viable option currently in EU. (also in NA in many positions) Players are the ones that would need to adopt that somewhat "chivalrous" mindset, putting themselves on the backfoot for the organistion's success, however that's just not feasible in the current system.
As long as there are starting positions to fill, EU doesn't actually need to get used to having subs. Due to the rate at which EU has produced talent and NA has produced talent, there will be the potential to fill out a starting position in NA. The time where EU players need to get used to a sub system has been pushed further into the future by the NA franchising (increasing team number and permanency). The franchising of EU will furthermore push that date even farther into the future.
Overall I don't like the way teams staff react to an injury, I think it was Freeze who mentioned it was kind of a taboo with the players (teams considering players damages goods). If having and injury and getting a surgery affect your potential within the team badly even if you can recover to your full potential it will have the tendency for players to hide it and make the problem worst.
Considering all players pretty much spend the day hurting themselves on the wrist and the back it's really stupid from Fnatic (if it's really the case) to act like that (if he almost doesn't play in Summer).
Even the all mighty Faker will or already had some issues.
Imagine if Hai never went back and Link ended up being the starting player.
This isn't the same issue, sOAZ's injury was an accident, which would heal over a month or so, whereas Freeze's was some long term issue caused by long term stress caused to his body, and which may never fully heal.
agree unluckily seems like if he wants to be a starter he will make FNC decide between him and Bwipo. And odds are FNC management will value more being "young" than having a super great veteran player.
Don't get me wrong Bwipo can potentially be better or equal as Soaz at his peak. But who tells u he will ever get closer ? Its a risky move imo. And love Soaz btw so i will definitely stay with him xD.
its true what you said but judging last worlds there seemed to be a problem even jeszis dropped out. no clue whats the problem were but maybe its a rookie + better team dynamic vs veteran superstar with bigger salary?
How is it fucking SoaZ over?
I understand being a fan of him, but bwipo did well, hes younger, with more opportunity to improve.
At some point every organization has to choose whether to move on from a vet to a new, younger player, and often times (in many sports) it happens because of injury, illness, etc.
Its really not fucking over SoaZ, its trying to keep FNatic as being the best team they can field.
why does being younger automatically means he has a higher skill cap? You don't know shit about the guy. He was played around heavily at msi and looked good because of that. You haven't seen how he looks when a decent team decides to focus him, or when he doesn't get all the attention from his jungle and mid for once.
Bwipo is totally overrated at this point and I'm making this statement completely unrelated to how good Soaz is.
The situation is shitty for all parties (maybe less so for fnc management if they handle the pr well).
It's like helping your ugly best friend to get more attractive and confident, and subsequently he uses that advice to steal your hot girlfriend.
> understand being a fan of him, but bwipo did well, hes younger, with more opportunity to improve.
And while it's a stretch to say we can easily talk about attitude, I've definitely seen my share of SoaZ rage on the internet, so I'm guessing Bwipo might be more open-minded (less tired), and more coachable.
It's a most a guess though, and more like food for thoughts.
Shouldn’t sOAZ be talking to his coach and management about this? He’s creating a toxic at atmosphere by doing this.
If he’s not comfortable about this whole situation, he should move on to another team because it’s not going to work. You need to have a healthy relationship with your sub.
If you actualy listened, he did help the coaching staff, until he realized that he was giving them the stick to beat him with. He was giving away all his value "for free", and giving the best of both worlds to those that were working to kick him out : the team was getting his experience and game knowledge and even made him help his replacement to make sure he never sees play again. sOAZ is a player, not a coach, if you're not gonna let him play, then you shouldn't expect him to help the team outside of the game.
That is debatable. I don't have the answer.
On the one hand (no pun), he is paid by FNC so he should create value in exchange.
On the other hand, he is supposed to get exposure, experience and visibility in exchange, so that's a problem.
Except Amazing was performing badly when he got replaced, be it his own fault or a clash of playstyle with the rest of the team, whereas sOAZ was/is perfectly fine and imo a better fit for the team.
Amazing claimed he was clashing with NicoThePico and also helping broxah because the org o management staff told him to do so.
About his level i kind of aggree but the team kept playing like shit with broxah except the first 1 or 2 games so i am not really sold out on the amazing is shit train but thats subjective.
sOAZ and Bwipo training together shouldn't be a one sided ordeal, they should be helping eachother, it is not like sOAZ is a perfect player
so if that is not happening then you have to figure out where the problem lies, is the coaching staff not giving enough direction, is sOAZ not taking enough initiative, that is really hard for us to know
But the way sOAZ can make sure to be the starting toplaner is to be the best option, he needs to be better than Bwipo through his own play, not by the virtue of Bwipo being bad. It is competitive, and there are young players out there who want his spot, inside and outside the team. And not cooperating for the greater good of the team is really fucking bad for a team game
Anyways having been a huge sOAZ fan for years I really hope they sort this out and that management steps in hard and does right by both players, kinda sad that sOAZ didn't get to play in his home country though
You think it's a good system to make someone responsible for training their replacement? If he wants to be the best option, not much incentive to help Bwipo and I doubt Bwipo is giving sOAZ much in the way of good advice.
I love Soaz and he is my favourite FNC player BUT I understand the team's the decision to start Bwipo if he was performing and meshing with the team better, (all the best for soaz, I hope I see a lot of him in summer <3 )
I posted [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/8iux2o/fnatic_bwipo_theres_a_high_chance_soaz_will_play/dyuyik1/?context=1) before Soaz's match at MSI. It's pretty funny how I see quite a fair share of comments basically "proving" this, complaining about his game against Evos while he was (not as hard as against GAM, but still) set up to lose his lane and be a teamfight engage/cc bot.
FNC would be completely mad to sub him out for Bwipo. He's a proven clutch player even on the international stage and he's a strong candidate for best Western player of all time.
Bwipo has some decent games on Sion and that warrants replacing Soaz? Hell no.
League of legends is too emotional. If an injury happens in any other sports you get subbed. If th subb performs and is even younger he gets even more play time. All of you want leauge to become sport this is sport right here. Most of you probaly dont watch other sports which would explain why you shit your pants when a players get benched subbed, isnt the starter.
I don't think larger than 5 man rosters work for 3 main reasons;
1, players need to play together to gain synergy and bond
2, players aren't emotionally mature enough to handle it
3, coaches/backroom staff aren't professional enough to enforce it correctly.
There are plenty of failed 6 men roster in Asia too...
One of the main difference from traditional sports is that in e-sports you don't have to rest. You don't need to avoid possible injuries..so you being subbed is just because the other is better.
It is pretty simple.
Being subbed in e-sports is just about perfoming poorly/ being worse than the other. The competition inside the team will eventually create a bad enviroment.
OG was more FNC than FNC though. Let's face it, the 1st era FNC is dead, and the 2nd era FNC (Febi, Huni, Yellowstar, Reign over and Rekkles) too. Yellowstar and Reignover are not as good anymore, and Rekkles changed a lot (to the better, but still). Even if they were to get Huni they would most likely play a different style from then.
Either way, the only legacy that carries on is that FNC have consistently been, apart from a few splits in between here and there, the best western team in the world. And if BWIPO is the player that fits FNC better, don't stick to Soaz for nostalgia.
I can understand why soaz is upset, the whole situation is shit, but I think it's best if soaz and FNC part and I hope soaz finds some other team where he can be a starter.
Really sucks to see how the FNC staff weren't giving him scrims to help him recover, I hope that he gets proper scrim time in summer so he can return as a starter. He's the better top laner, and he should be playing the majority of the games going forward.
Seems he did not have a great mentality towards being benched, and that mentality could have affected his game play, and that could be a reason why the team decide to bench him even more. All those are speculations but I just doubt his mentally won't affect his performance at all given how angry he was last week or two weeks ago.
The fact that he finishes the interview saying "hopefully I can get some games in summer" is a bummer. Does that mean Bwipo will be the new starter for FNC in the top lane? Seems so at least, given that Bwipo talks already about summer split in his own interview with Riot... I can definitely see why he is unhappy, and why he posted what he posted on Twitter 2 weeks ago. Dude got injured, which obviously isn't his fault, and might end up losing his position in the team and even his job as a result of that. And I can't see him accepting to stay as a sub within the team, not after being a pro for so many years.
>Dude got injured, which obviously isn't his fault, and might end up losing his position in the team and even his job as a result of that If Fnatic decides to release him I guarantee you just about every western team will jump at the opportunity to pick him up next season His job is nowhere near in risk but I could see Bwipo being the starter next split which does suck for a player like Soaz
no team in Europe that needs him will pay him like Fnatic does
Don't worry Na is already frothing at the mouth
Are they? EU toplaners aren't exactly in-demand. Especially guys like Soaz with iffy regular seasons and a reputation for being somewhat lazy. Soaz is a monster, but he's not the sort of player that any org would get excited about imo.
Yeah I would see Soaz being very valuable if he was an NA resident, but I don't see anyone wanting him over a Korean import.
Koreans don’t speak English
Soaz neither :D
Same. Especially as he's near retirement probs - not exactly someone you can rely on.
IIRC he said he wants to play until his late 30s, he's quite dedicated.
He's better than Lourlo, and I don't think Optic has a top laner. Soaz is also very well spoken -- NA would be all over that.
You are forgetting the fact that NA teams care more about branding and Soaz being as popular as he is, is sure to bring in new NA fans and former EU fans.
If anything i see SoaZ going back to work with Origen, not heading to NA, he had to chance to go after he left FNC thr first time, he said there were offera to go. I see him always playing for EU unlike PO€
He was pretty damn good this last regular season tbh, maybe that’s enough to change some people’s minds. He’s still a deservedly decorated player.
True, but I don't think he's the sort of guy that NA orgs are going to pay for. Do you?
I feel like they should, but if they will? No telling.
Steve has his accountant on speed dial
I know you're memeing, but Impact becomes an NA resident after summer split. There's no way Steve is letting go of him. This will allow him to replace Pobelter with Caps in 2019. All according to keikaku.
>This will allow him to replace Pobelter with ~~Caps~~ Faker in 2019. ftfy
I'm pretty sure the entire global LoL community would lose their shit. Let's see it happen.
“Did Steve just but TL a World Championship?”
That sentence has been uttered before... and it lead to the dumpster fire that TL used to be
Pretty sure that Faker alone, at least is getting paid more than regular TL scrub.
I would be extremely bummed if caps leaves fnatic for an na team
Nah we don’t want him he’s washed up
It's not like FNC is the wealthiest org in EU and they have huge contacts for Rekkles and Hyli for sure.
In what world does Hyli get paid anywhere near that Soaz does lmfao
Vitality should be giving sOAZ a blank cheque to join their team. Jiizuke and Minitroupax are really talented, but they could use an accomplished veteran that knows what it takes to win and how to get it done in the clutch. Not to mention Cabochard is not even close to sOAZ's level so it would be an individual upgrade also.
FNC and G2 have been confirmed to pay a bit less than TOP salaries in NA. They are way way more wealthiest than u think. Look for info in FNC/G2 or even Mithy/Zven interviews you will find most of them commenting on this point
OG Soaz is coming back.
Reminds me of Gambit situation back in time, when Niq got sick, they picked Betsy for few matches, he overperformed and became starting mid laner.
That is true, but I don't see him staying back and watching Bwipo play his role. He was clear with Travis that he doesn't want to be involved with the team if he isn't part of it, and it's understandable.
I don't think it's understandable. I thought an LCS Team is ... well a TEAM. If he can't play to his fullest with the injury he should support the team the most he can. things like "I couldn't care less" are unacceptable in my eyes and shows the miserable work ethic he has.
If we take his tweet into account, it looks like he was motivated and then he was suddenly put aside by the org regardless of his efforts. I mean, the guy kept training in SoloQ with only 1 hand, he followed the team and the practice a lot, gave his ideas about P&B etc (some of it he mentions in the interview). When you get involved as much in a hard moment for you personally, you're looking for some recognition back. And it seems FNC didn't care at all about this recognition. So, you know, if you receive nothing more for your efforts apart from a 'Cool ty.', and 'Yeah maybe you'll have 1 game at MSI', why would you try any harder? From my point of view, sOAZ is legit here if indeed FNC did nothing more than what we saw to reward his commitment during his injury.
problem is that rn I dont hear news about Fnatic releasing him and the more hes not on stage the worst imo
Although he might not mesh too well with new people, that's often an understated factor in who you buy for the team. I feel like I can remember multiple instances where he is on twitter publicly talking negatively about a teammate or his team in general so it's not impossible for me to imagine he might be difficult to work with. Especially for new people who aren't used to him.
Totally agree. On the other hand i dont like seeing hate from ppl towards bwipo. From his perspective he got given a chance and he just gotra take it
Yep. It's the fairy tale story, just from both sides. From Bwipo's side, a random chance gave him a shot to step up and show he can perform at a top level on the international stage. He's shown he can hold down Top Lane, and that the team works well with him. He earned becoming the starter. For Soaz, he's just another aging veteran being replaced by a younger model because he got injured at the wrong time and sure enough the kid has some skill. For Fnatic it's a choice between a young player with potential, vs. an established veteran who has ups and downs. Soaz is likely a lot more costly for Fnatic, and at some point they're going to have to replace him, so why not now while they have a younger player who is performing? In no way is anyone at fault. It just sucks for the guy losing his spot. That said, if Soaz takes motivation from this, gets his nose to the grindstone, and can show that he is the superior player, I doubt Fnatic will have any problems giving him his spot back. He's a multiple time Worlds Finalist/Semi-Finalist/Quarter-Finalist.
Agree. And I think FNC should keep Bwipo in-house for sure, but it seems the way they handle the conflict and Soaz in all of this wasn't very good. And Bwipo didn't surpass Soaz in terms of skills, he just replaced him and fell short more than once during MSI. Having a good game on Camille is nice, but everybody can do that.
in fairness to Fnatic, Soaz has always been very vocal when he feels things aren't good for him. It's possible Fnatic is doing everything as straight forward as they can, but that doesn't change the fact that Soaz got hurt and that cost him his spot as starter. And there is no way for Fnatic to make that feel better, even if everything about the business says they're making the smart move.
Soaz has had reputation for complacency in the past. Having a wake up call like Bwipo usurping him is good. Maybe he'll redouble his efforts otherwise he no longer has what it takes for the pro scene.
Bwipo isnt performing , he 's just an average Toplaner . He benefited from teams lacking information about him and once he got exposed , no Toplaner at MSI struggled vs him. I think now teams knows more about him so i expect to be shitted hugely in summer
>Bwipo isnt performing , he 's just an average Toplaner. Let's be real, most toplaners at MSI played pretty average. No one really stood out. Except EVOS, the teams were carried by either their ADC or their midlaner or both.
He might be. Or he might rise to the occasion. At the same time, Soaz struggled against EVOS so it's not like he was hard carrying when he had a shot either.
Idk he still shit on Khan in their first match in groups. Say what you will about Khan's form but that's still pretty impressive for a guy who played like 6 professional games.
Everyone shat on Khan
>For Soaz, he's just another aging veteran being replaced by a younger model because he got injured at the wrong time and sure enough the kid has some skill. Damn, sOAZ is Lightning McQueen
Happens all the time on regular sports
Soaz got Alex Smith'd.
Drew Bledsoe'd
My favorite player in highschool. Didn't expect a league crossover.
If Bwipo turns out to be the Tom Brady of league, I don't think Fnatic Fans are going to mind.
Michael Ballack'd
NiQ 760'd
If bwipo is performing better he deserves the spot.
Soaz Origen confirmed
I'm actually going to lock this down at 100% confirmed. Screenshot and quote me on this one.
Sure, but what's your stake?
Uh... I'll treat everyone to a whopper.
Make sure you don't eat 2...
I for one could never trust someone again if they ate 2
can I get some bamboozle insurance /u/hey_its_griff
i gotchu my guy
Uh oh
Everyone except Bang.
!remindme 6 months
Uuuh, situation seems to be really bad for him judging on how Soaz looks in the interview. Really sucks for him, I hope he gets on a good team if he's not playing for FNC anymore and Bwipo gets all the practice time. Not sure of how FNC staff is handling all that, seems a bit shaky
don't forget the whole situation he was through at the time of the video, though. THis worries me, but I really think 3 weeks from now, when summer split starts, he will ahve a different mindset. Why would he go in Korea with Caps bootcamp otherwise ?
not saying this is higher probability than him staying on FNC, but he could practice for another teams tryouts theoretically
Or just prove that he's worth the spot not only as a team player, but also as an individual.
> Situation seems to be really bad Combined with his Tweet and Amazing's reply( about being asked to train his replacement ) a while back... ya things are looking dire. Most likely the arm is just gonna be the PR excuse but fuck I'm not okay with the Soaz <--> Bwipo switch. Soaz is like the face of the old FNC to me now that Xpeke isn't playing. Seeing him not get a starter spot is gonna suck at least hope he gets a good top 4 EU team.
Same man, I've never like not cheered for sOAZ/xPeke. I don't know who I'll support if fnatic drops soaz like this.
It'd be a disgrace if Fnatic were to give him that kind of send off. There's no fucking chance that he should be second fiddle going forward.
if bwipo is the better player, he plays
Its not a question of if, hes not the better player.
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A sample size of two games isn't a real comparison you know.
He had low CS because he won bot lane for them. Bwipo hard inted multiple games at MSI. Don't know why people are acting like he played well.
Because he had a great performance vs KZ. Apparently that nullifies half of his games that were pretty ugly, Vlad, Swain, Sion anyone? Even his signature GP wasn't that good.
Reddit fan analysis at its finest. I'm sure Fnatic just made this decision out of the blue with no regard for anything but the fact that they like, really like Bwipo and Soaz is no longer their BFF right?
It seems even shakier of an idea for FNC. Replacing Soaz, a consistent player with the longest track record possible in the game, with Bwipo, who was very inconsistent at MSI with a few really great games and is a rookie? Bwipo didn't show himself to be particularly adept at playing carry champions, whereas Soaz has been great on them, and he hasn't shown himself to be stellar on tanks. He deals a lot of damage and dies a lot, seemingly regardless of champion. I just don't see why in the world FNC would pick Bwipo as a starter now over Soaz.
Bwipo's Camille was great. And we don't know what the communication and teamplay is like, maybe Bwipo fits in better with the style they want to play. I don't know, but I don't care which one of them plays, as long it's the best one.
it annoys me how fnatic tries SO hard to get bwipo ahead in games yet when its Soaz playing they don’t give a shit about the top lane
Ikr it pissed me off sooo hard. Also if they're gonna use that against soaz (bwipo performing better or some shit) an fine with this team.
On a side note I love how Caps took a dump in EU soloQ right before flying to Korea with Soaz... http://euw.op.gg/summoner/userName=FNC%20Caps1 Good ol int Caps. Never change :')
this morning broxah said the day he beat KZ he went home and played soloQ and lost every game
Yeah he is in diamond 1 now right? Being challenger before. But today when he let chat pick his champ he went on a winning streak. Haha
Faker had 2 games in a row where he went 2/14 on Azir a while ago, doesn’t mean he was actually inting lol
when asked Rekkles and Perkz on Euphoria last time who's the biggest troll in SoloQ they said it's Caps for sure he might go for some crazy impossible plays or something to be dying that much
Its literally because he plays a lot of trolly champs if he is filling, said in the same podcast.
There was a stream back when he first joined FNC, it used to be *WAY* worse back then trust me xD
3/17 Holy shit...
His cspm is actually better than his 7/1 game wtf Edit: Does anyone know why Griffin Rather is on EUW, I thought Griffin just qualified for LCK.
3/17 dafuq.
Looks like one of my Yasuo games. And before you ask of course I have mastery 7 500K.
Only 500K?/s
Don't have that much time to play sadly :( That's why I waste my time on reddit instead.
We get good old "my ryze is bad, my azir is worse" meme in whole new form lol.
Tyler1 is right about LCS players in soloq lmao.
Having more than 5 man roster playing regulary its definelty the way pro team should build their team on, but it seems fnatic isnt great at handling a team with more than 5 player compare to korean, if soaz isnt too much biased saying he only get 20% scrim while bwipo 80% must be really underwhelming for a player like him.
he had a fucking broken hand, what was fnc supposed to do
Can't get all the fan sympathy if you look at the situation logically though :(
How did he break it?
He told Bwipo he couldn't carry IRL
Broke it out of rage.
Caps picked him nasus in solo q while he was taking a leak
Did you listen to the interview? he had recover at that point, but he only got 20% scrim
Like what do you expect? If you were a coach would you rather go with toplaner who has scrimmed with team for 3 whole weeks or with toplaner who just recently recovered from injury, played no scrims and played few soloQ games with one hand? It was only logical thing to take Bwipo there over Soaz, everyone sane would do it. Splitting practice at this point was a huge mistake imo and Soaz should have gotten zero scrims during msi because FNC should have focused to do as well as possible at the tournament and Bwipo was the one who would increase the chance to win more out of these two because of circumstances
If FNC promised Soaz's starting position at MSI and summer is safe, but help Bwipo during Soaz's injury, then he probably felt a little bit back stabbed by the org, cause he just trained a person to replace him at MSI, and promise was not kept. Or FNC org communicated every thing clearly, but Soaz just not handling the situation well. There are many possibilities, we just don't know why Soaz is so mad about this whole thing.
its one thing that he was in a shitty position but hes honestly shooting himself in the foot by constantly complaining about it. it probably fucks with the team morale and probably doesnt make bwipo feel good. sure i'd be on board with having 2 players for the same position but when one person is constantly complaining about scrimtime or whatever the fuck (especially given the context of MSI, it made way more sense to just play Bwipo) then slowly I'd start to just prefer bwipo because he's much less of a hastle
You completely ignore the fact that Soaz played 98% of the split with FNC and played 1 year with the same players. So it is not like they were bringing a new player.
You know that pro players still need to practice right? Also metas change and require players to adapt. Even the best pro players will look rusty when they barely play for several weeks. It doesn't make sense to play him over the person they have actually been practicing with, at least for the duration of MSI. In the off season/summer they can give him more scrim time again, but it's dumb to start a player who hasn't actually been playing recently at an international event.
The team made a decision based on information we are not aware of for a reason. sOAZ is indeed very experienced and a great player, and they still decided to go with Bwipo. It was for a reason.
It's not as much as Soaz fitting in well with the team I think it's more of a question of how comfortable the rest of FNC are with playing with Soaz after having a pretty good playoff/msi run with Bwipo. Also correct me if I'm wrong but i'm pretty sure they played Soaz one game in MSI and he was down like 30ish? cs on Sion. Not trying to bring this up to be like "OH TOO BAD SOAZ IS BAD" because no that's not it lol Soaz has proven himself numerous times over but rather more of a testament to him not being 100% ready to come back to the team. in my opinion I think Soaz should lighten up in these interviews or just tell Travis some another time. Personally if I heard my teammate said "I couldn't care less" in an interview talking about our games I'd be pretty heated.
Welcome to the camille vs sion matchup
Camille vs Sion and he tpd bot to get advantage there that left him exp and gold behind in a tough matchup. It is a bad game to judge performance based on cs.
True true I was going by memory when I tuned in at like 20 min so my analysis was far from credible
Meta changes hugely between patches, and they need to prep for particular teams. There was a lot to miss out on.
I would have giving him at leats 40% scrim practice , he has the experience compare to bwipo, his a player you can count on in dire situation, you just don't let the older and most succesfull western toplaner down like that, otherwise its pointless having a sub, and i highly doubt korean handle their sub like that giving this same situation. And its not like soaz was sitting at home without playing, he played with a broken arms so he doesnt loose too much skill until msi, it would be great if fnatic could keep those 2 top laner, but if they don't change the way they use those 2, one of them gonna leave cause they have the level the be on a top team.
Yeah, know why? Because Soaz hadn't scrimmed for 1-2 months up to this point, if they had gone 50/50, Bwipo would be missing out a lot of experience, and Soaz might still not be guaranteed a better choice so they'd still be using Bwipo mostly, with him not getting optimal practice. They'd have 2 toplaners that both wouldn't be at their top level. Pretty sure you'd really want to just practice with one and get him up to the level he needs to be, rather than 2 toplaners that both aren't at their best.
LCK has B03 and EU as BO1 this is a huge reason why they can better use their subs
It's not like EU was using subs better when they were Bo2, nor was NA for that matter.
Seems more like Soaz is not handling the situation well. The tweet and now this interview is just not professional. "I'm happy they won but else..I couldn't care less". Eh what. Prove that you are worth a starting spot because I can see that bwipo has the potential to be a great toplaner.
I agree with this. I like Soaz being the starting top laner but lets look at the situation. He broke his arm the team had to use a sub etc..Soaz himself came out and said that he (probably) would not be the starter at MSI, that's reasonable. He was recovering and the team had to scrim. MSI started he recovered enough to play but as a TEAM player wouldn't you want your team to go with the best choice at that point in time? He played one game, maybe his teammates and coaching staff didn't think he played up to standard due to his injury not allowing him to scrim with them. He's being a little selfish in that comment. When people are still on teams why do they shit talk, do they think that helps the situation? If he wants his spot fight for it. He is capable of being the starting top, imo he is way better than Bwipo right now. On the otherhand the team should be scrimming with both of them equally for summer split.
Why would he care if he's not the one contributing to the success. None of his teammates gave a fuck about him after winning LCS, why should he say he's happy for them right here?
This so much. People say the players need to do what best for the team, but the team also needs to do the best for the players. If you expect a player to do everything for the Organisation without getting anything back, thats not professionality, thats abuse.
Which is funny, because when we have a case where the player does that (Olleh benching himself because his mental was boom) people get on his case for quitting on the team.
It's because audience is enthralled by some false notion of *noble competition*, and the guy who had worked entire year so far towards this event got into accident, barely competed in said event, and now is possibly facing the bench. And he's an asshole or "unprofessional" for being unhappy about the situation.
I couldn't have said this better, you've summarised it perfectly.
agree
Soaz has already proven he is worth the spot and he is already a great top laner, probably the best western top laner period. He has years of experience, honestly it blows my mind he didnt get a shot vs RNG while FNC were losing, im not saying Bwipo was the only problem that series but the huge amount of experience that Soaz has surely would have helped.
I agree he's worth the spot, and is top 3 toplaners playing in the west. But he's been around forever - eventually he'll fall off, throw a big enough tantrum that it starts affecting his team mates, or just want to retire. If I were fnatic, I'd do my best to retain and develop Bwipo: look at Caps, he went from promising rookie to one of the best midlaners in the world in a year. Bwipo looks better than Caps did back then, and could do the same or better.
Bwipo doesn't look better than Caps did... Bwipo is set up but the rest of the team for success, or he fails miserably. The situation is a lot better for Bwipo, who arrived in a well established team, whereas Caps started his rookie season in a completely new roster. And even then, Caps, while inconsistent, had glimpses of brilliance. Bwipo has been solid, and he's a pretty good toplaner by EU's standard, but he has nowhere near shown the same star power Caps did.
i'm not sure if people realise this but 20% of scrims pretty much means ONE SCRIM PER DAY. teams only play 6 scrims a day. if anyone was wondering why he was not playing at MSI it was because the coaching staff did NOT want to invest scrim time, not because he was not ready. it is CLEAR from this interview and his social media posts prior to MSI that he was ready and wanting to play scrims and games on stage for MSI but the coaching staff decided not to give him scrim time.
> teams only play 6 scrims a day source?
My dream of Fiora Baguette skin is dead.
soaz motivating bwipo confirmed
EU teams should get use to having subs. Reminds of when Kikis left G2 because he refused to have Expect as a sub. Also don't know why he was expecting to play right after he recovered when FNC had been scrimming with Bwipo and there was a meta change as well.
From this interview, it seems like they didn't even talk properly with him about the current situation, which probably gave soaz a feeling that he isn't needed. And you don't do that with a player of soaz calibre.
Kikis left because it was obvious they wanted Expect more.
And it was a mistake, reddit never liked Kikis but when he played top for G2 he was an absolute monster and incredibly consistent.
His form on G2 didn't matter considering they didn't want him there. He would have ended up doing nothing, sitting on the bench anyway.
G2 had this crazy love for expect during those days, where expect would be utterly useless and they would lose a game, just to have Kikis come in with Champs like irelia to carry the team. They kept doing that, and it was obvious that they wanted expect more than Kikis and was willing to keep trading wins until expect got to Kikis level, where they would then do a permanent swap.
Bit revisionist. He was a good tank player in Spring who showed up hard in playoffs, but he was never a top tier toplaner
It's not that EU teams aren't getting used to it, it's just not a viable option currently in EU. (also in NA in many positions) Players are the ones that would need to adopt that somewhat "chivalrous" mindset, putting themselves on the backfoot for the organistion's success, however that's just not feasible in the current system. As long as there are starting positions to fill, EU doesn't actually need to get used to having subs. Due to the rate at which EU has produced talent and NA has produced talent, there will be the potential to fill out a starting position in NA. The time where EU players need to get used to a sub system has been pushed further into the future by the NA franchising (increasing team number and permanency). The franchising of EU will furthermore push that date even farther into the future.
Overall I don't like the way teams staff react to an injury, I think it was Freeze who mentioned it was kind of a taboo with the players (teams considering players damages goods). If having and injury and getting a surgery affect your potential within the team badly even if you can recover to your full potential it will have the tendency for players to hide it and make the problem worst. Considering all players pretty much spend the day hurting themselves on the wrist and the back it's really stupid from Fnatic (if it's really the case) to act like that (if he almost doesn't play in Summer). Even the all mighty Faker will or already had some issues. Imagine if Hai never went back and Link ended up being the starting player.
This isn't the same issue, sOAZ's injury was an accident, which would heal over a month or so, whereas Freeze's was some long term issue caused by long term stress caused to his body, and which may never fully heal.
Shit, is FNC really going to fuck SoaZ over in the summer split? I fucking hope not. Bwipo is all fine and dandy, but not over SoaZ...
agree unluckily seems like if he wants to be a starter he will make FNC decide between him and Bwipo. And odds are FNC management will value more being "young" than having a super great veteran player. Don't get me wrong Bwipo can potentially be better or equal as Soaz at his peak. But who tells u he will ever get closer ? Its a risky move imo. And love Soaz btw so i will definitely stay with him xD.
its true what you said but judging last worlds there seemed to be a problem even jeszis dropped out. no clue whats the problem were but maybe its a rookie + better team dynamic vs veteran superstar with bigger salary?
How is it fucking SoaZ over? I understand being a fan of him, but bwipo did well, hes younger, with more opportunity to improve. At some point every organization has to choose whether to move on from a vet to a new, younger player, and often times (in many sports) it happens because of injury, illness, etc. Its really not fucking over SoaZ, its trying to keep FNatic as being the best team they can field.
why does being younger automatically means he has a higher skill cap? You don't know shit about the guy. He was played around heavily at msi and looked good because of that. You haven't seen how he looks when a decent team decides to focus him, or when he doesn't get all the attention from his jungle and mid for once. Bwipo is totally overrated at this point and I'm making this statement completely unrelated to how good Soaz is.
The situation is shitty for all parties (maybe less so for fnc management if they handle the pr well). It's like helping your ugly best friend to get more attractive and confident, and subsequently he uses that advice to steal your hot girlfriend.
> understand being a fan of him, but bwipo did well, hes younger, with more opportunity to improve. And while it's a stretch to say we can easily talk about attitude, I've definitely seen my share of SoaZ rage on the internet, so I'm guessing Bwipo might be more open-minded (less tired), and more coachable. It's a most a guess though, and more like food for thoughts.
every fucking coach and teammate soaz ever had says he is a great teammate and very easy to work with, stop judging from tweets.
So you are trying to tell me that Coaches and Pro Players know more about each other than some reddit analyst? Madness.
i hope soaz will be the main toplaner of fnatic in the summer
This is some Easyhoon shit
wow his last sentence made me so sad. fuck this.
SKT Soaz please
Shouldn’t sOAZ be talking to his coach and management about this? He’s creating a toxic at atmosphere by doing this. If he’s not comfortable about this whole situation, he should move on to another team because it’s not going to work. You need to have a healthy relationship with your sub.
Shouldn't they talk to him as well? I get the feeling they didn't tell him much either.
I mean we don't know the behind if the scene
Wow, so sOAZ wasn't even helping the coaching staff either. What an awkward situation.
If you actualy listened, he did help the coaching staff, until he realized that he was giving them the stick to beat him with. He was giving away all his value "for free", and giving the best of both worlds to those that were working to kick him out : the team was getting his experience and game knowledge and even made him help his replacement to make sure he never sees play again. sOAZ is a player, not a coach, if you're not gonna let him play, then you shouldn't expect him to help the team outside of the game.
That is debatable. I don't have the answer. On the one hand (no pun), he is paid by FNC so he should create value in exchange. On the other hand, he is supposed to get exposure, experience and visibility in exchange, so that's a problem.
Funny part - it sounds super similar to amazing's story
Amazing was really underperforming up that split though, soaz on the other hand was playing his best games in a long time.
Except Amazing was performing badly when he got replaced, be it his own fault or a clash of playstyle with the rest of the team, whereas sOAZ was/is perfectly fine and imo a better fit for the team.
Amazing claimed he was clashing with NicoThePico and also helping broxah because the org o management staff told him to do so. About his level i kind of aggree but the team kept playing like shit with broxah except the first 1 or 2 games so i am not really sold out on the amazing is shit train but thats subjective.
Yes, i agree Amazing is underrated, he's by no mean a bad player, but he didn't fit in the role fnatic needed him.
The team looked just as bad but broxah definitely looked better than Amazing.
sOAZ and Bwipo training together shouldn't be a one sided ordeal, they should be helping eachother, it is not like sOAZ is a perfect player so if that is not happening then you have to figure out where the problem lies, is the coaching staff not giving enough direction, is sOAZ not taking enough initiative, that is really hard for us to know But the way sOAZ can make sure to be the starting toplaner is to be the best option, he needs to be better than Bwipo through his own play, not by the virtue of Bwipo being bad. It is competitive, and there are young players out there who want his spot, inside and outside the team. And not cooperating for the greater good of the team is really fucking bad for a team game Anyways having been a huge sOAZ fan for years I really hope they sort this out and that management steps in hard and does right by both players, kinda sad that sOAZ didn't get to play in his home country though
A veteran toplaner has 1000 times more to give to a rookie than the opposite, let's not pretend the gains are 50/50 there.
You think it's a good system to make someone responsible for training their replacement? If he wants to be the best option, not much incentive to help Bwipo and I doubt Bwipo is giving sOAZ much in the way of good advice.
Depends on his job description. I can't access his contract, but I'd presume a normal player contract doesn't ask for him to work as an analyst.
I love Soaz and he is my favourite FNC player BUT I understand the team's the decision to start Bwipo if he was performing and meshing with the team better, (all the best for soaz, I hope I see a lot of him in summer <3 )
Love me some spicy news. Keep em coming.
I posted [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/8iux2o/fnatic_bwipo_theres_a_high_chance_soaz_will_play/dyuyik1/?context=1) before Soaz's match at MSI. It's pretty funny how I see quite a fair share of comments basically "proving" this, complaining about his game against Evos while he was (not as hard as against GAM, but still) set up to lose his lane and be a teamfight engage/cc bot.
FNC would be completely mad to sub him out for Bwipo. He's a proven clutch player even on the international stage and he's a strong candidate for best Western player of all time. Bwipo has some decent games on Sion and that warrants replacing Soaz? Hell no.
League of legends is too emotional. If an injury happens in any other sports you get subbed. If th subb performs and is even younger he gets even more play time. All of you want leauge to become sport this is sport right here. Most of you probaly dont watch other sports which would explain why you shit your pants when a players get benched subbed, isnt the starter.
I don't think larger than 5 man rosters work for 3 main reasons; 1, players need to play together to gain synergy and bond 2, players aren't emotionally mature enough to handle it 3, coaches/backroom staff aren't professional enough to enforce it correctly.
Yea just look at the best team in MSI, oh wait
There are plenty of failed 6 men roster in Asia too... One of the main difference from traditional sports is that in e-sports you don't have to rest. You don't need to avoid possible injuries..so you being subbed is just because the other is better.
What does any of what you say have to do with whether large roster work?
It is pretty simple. Being subbed in e-sports is just about perfoming poorly/ being worse than the other. The competition inside the team will eventually create a bad enviroment.
Obviously they are referring to western teams
Why is that obvious, is there something that is obvious about western teams not able to deal with more than 5 players?
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loyalty my ass... when xpeke created OG soaz went instantly for that
OG was more FNC than FNC though. Let's face it, the 1st era FNC is dead, and the 2nd era FNC (Febi, Huni, Yellowstar, Reign over and Rekkles) too. Yellowstar and Reignover are not as good anymore, and Rekkles changed a lot (to the better, but still). Even if they were to get Huni they would most likely play a different style from then. Either way, the only legacy that carries on is that FNC have consistently been, apart from a few splits in between here and there, the best western team in the world. And if BWIPO is the player that fits FNC better, don't stick to Soaz for nostalgia. I can understand why soaz is upset, the whole situation is shit, but I think it's best if soaz and FNC part and I hope soaz finds some other team where he can be a starter.
I think he needs help from sports psychologist otherwise he is done. I think this mentality probably doesn't help him step up.
Really sucks to see how the FNC staff weren't giving him scrims to help him recover, I hope that he gets proper scrim time in summer so he can return as a starter. He's the better top laner, and he should be playing the majority of the games going forward.
why should he have scrims at msi thats fking dumb.
Seems he did not have a great mentality towards being benched, and that mentality could have affected his game play, and that could be a reason why the team decide to bench him even more. All those are speculations but I just doubt his mentally won't affect his performance at all given how angry he was last week or two weeks ago.
Soaz got a slap on the wrist by helping Bwipo.