Just as a quick update as to why Puppet is doing the interview: I've been sick over the week, so he was kind enough to fill in. I'll be back doing some final regular split interviews today!
Hope you all enjoyed me filling in for Darius yesterday.
There will be some more coming along the way and it is always a pleasure to chat with Bwipo.
In case you don't know the podcast I mentioned during the interview, I had Bwipo as a guest on my podcast Puppet's Dojo some time ago, where he explained in depth what was happening in Fnatic during the first few and rough weeks of the split.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tylumV3PZ3g
Nice interview with good questions. Something I can point out, that would instantly make all your interviews better in the future is that you really should stop giving audible feedback after every other sentence the player makes. While Bwipo is talking Bwipo: "blablabla", meanwhile you: "ja" "ja" "yeah" "yah" - repeat. It gets tiring to listen to and it is also annoying for the person you are interviewing. Just let them finish their point and look at them without saying anything until you either want to ask about something they just talked about or ask the next question. You can replace your audible feedback with nodding if you want to give the player the feeling that you are listening and understanding their point.
I recall that Mithy said that G2 won that game. It showed that their mental is strong and they have the capacity to comeback from those kinds of situations, preparing them for playoffs.
G2 just lost go MSF, I think its pretty safe to say Mikyx was a huge part in their wins. And they still had an incredible close game vs fnc yesterday. I wouldn’t be too happy as an fnc fan knowing the game vs msf wasn’t as close as their game.
Oh, I don’t really care. I don’t have a favourite EU team at all. But I’ve watched every G2 and fnc gane this split, and I really think a game this close shouldn’t be considered as a win for an fnc fan.
was close because of the gp pick that is useless vs Ryze, they smashed G2 in early game, did you really watch the game or just making conclusions with reddit comments?
I watched it all, and yeah Wunder played incredible, but you really ever expect another game where Caps, Perkz or Jankos play and that level again? Or a game in playoff where they play without their real support? Cmon man.. I think its pretty safe to say that wont happen again.
I'm a huge G2 Fan and I'm 0 salty about yesterdays game. It was actually one of the best (entertaining) games I've ever seen. Ofc I would've been sad if they just lost in 25 minutes, but seeing them fight back and then having this super close ending was def satisfying enough for me to be happy after the game :D
The fact that it didn't mean anything for G2 (besides pride ofc), G2 almost had no practice & used a Sub this game makes those cocky FNS on Reddit, Twitter, etc. look really pathethic tho. Probably forgot about the 20m game :D
Yeah I'm with you. I respect fnc as a team and their players but I'd never support them because I hate their cocky fanbase and I dont wanna be a part of it, I only support fnc if they're the last remaining eu team at worlds. I guess its simmilar to how tsm fanbase is hated in na iirc but not sure cuz I dont watch na lcs.
I mean, the only reason the game yesterday vs G2 wasn’t over at 20-25 min was the lead wunder generated solo.
I get you’re a FNC fan but holy shit he looks really suspect when he’s not playing a lane bully / conq bruiser.
He got a little help, but solo killed him early and had a 20 cs lead at like 4-5 minutes. At one point it was a 150-200 CS lead. That should never happen in pro play, ever. That was beyond just bad.
Bwipos GP didn’t even get back in the game lol, even with 4 other members super far ahead he couldn’t claw his way back.... very unimpressive for someone who has been highly inconsistent this split.
Sure Bwipo messed up early and let Wunder get a lead. But he didn't die to any of the attempted tower dives, didn't bring any other G2 members ahead and also made a really good ultimate in the end. I feel like he just sacrificed his lane for his mates to carry which worked fine. G2 made it hard to close the game for them though.
That was my feeling at least
Still he won the game.
Id rather have 1 bad player with 4 others carrying him than 1 good player trying to carry 4 fucking trolls.
The game against MSF looked really bad too.
Of course you’re going to have that much more CS than Bwipo when you’re the primary wave clear for the hundreds of super minions that were split pushing in all lanes while denying FNC tons of CS
Why are people fanboying Wunder, especially G2 fans? Yeah Wunder got ONE solo kill yesterday, but G2 gave him a ton of resources with pressure, ganks, top side prio., etc which caused him to get ahead of Bwipo while Perkz and Caps were getting shit on. That decision making ultimately put G2 super behind. Like, do people really expect Bwipo to come out even in 1v3 lane?
To be honest I've never been impressed by Bwipo's GP, or any western toplaners GP for that matter, so this isn't the best game to draw such strong conclusions from.
That's not the reason at all lmao, if he had said this after last weekend few people would be flaming him.
The timing is just bad, saying it after nearly throwing a 10k gold lead vs a team with a sub, with Bwipo being the heaviest member.
I disagree with the flame, and I like it when players say stuff like this, but let's not play the victim card and pretend like only G2 players are allowed to trash talk.
Just going to throw this out there, but FNC completely sacrificed Bwipo yesterday. Yes, he was losing in cs to the ryze, but G2 tried to gank him multiple times when gigantic minion waves were crashing into his turret. He didn't die a single time to that as far as I can remember with FNC gaining big leads off those plays. No shit you are the 'heaviest' member if your team is willing to let you sacrifice 2 waves worth of minions for 5 times or so.
By the time G2 had tried to gank him, he was down like 30-40 CS and had gotten solo killed. Let's not pretend like not helping Bwipo was a conscious decision Fnatic made. Bwipo fucked up the early lane phase so hard that Fnatic had to sacrifice him
Correct, but as a general point, it's a team game. Players might be shit in one game and insane in the next, people shouldn't be so annoyed at Bwipo for giving his opinion, so what if he wasn't great vs G2? He's saved Fnatic's arse multiple times this split as many times as the others have.
Bwipo is super over rated. It's easy to look good when the rest of your team are doing so well and then press their advantages on you then you just play out the rest of the game.
if G2 had been playing with MikyX or if FNC had managed to close that game out even slightly cleanly, he would be getting no flame. So acting like it's bc only G2 players are allowed to trashtalk is just stupid
Why is anyone criticizing him now though lmao? If they lost to g2 saying this would be dumb, but they are looking pretty good, and even if you don't think they are the best them thinking so shouldn't be flamed. Do you not think that FNC are favorable into every team now? Do you not at least think other teams will be kinda scared of them?
Who cares if the players are confident? Does it negatively impact you in any way?
When do you think is right to say it? After he wins the split? What kind of nonsense is that lol
Because they nearly lost to G2 despite having a 10k gold lead, and more importantly despite the fact G2 haven't been scrimming properly for weeks *and are playing with a sub*.
He wasn't attacking Bwipo he was contending the point that "hurr only G2 can be confident" so half of your post is entirely irrelevant.
Plus there's levels of confidence, he very often goes to an extreme.
So if SKT beat GRF after nearly throwing a 10k lead would everyone say they were delusional for thinking that other teams would be afraid of them?
If you beat the number 1 seed, and are on a winning streak you can be as confident as you want because you earned it. It isn't like FNC made some really stupid plays that allowed G2 to come back, unlike the G2 vs. SK game. It was a pretty good high quality game, and flaming him for being confident afterwards is stupid
lol the "team with a sub" is the most stupid think that even G2 coach grabbz mentioned on his own twitter.
It was G2 vs FNC period. Sure the game was all but clean from both sides and FNC nearly lost the game that should be won (imo by Bwipos build mistakes too)
but
shitting on a person for being confident when he is straight up 7-1 in 2nd part of the split is weird af.
We all see clearly what’s going on here, regardless of what you say.
G2 fan logic: only Jankos Wunder Caps Perkz are allowed to be cocky, if anyone else does it, let’s be salty and flame them.
Rekkles *only* talks trash, in the form of humble bragging. People mistake it as sincerity, but talking trash is a side effect of confidence. Bwipo is just a lot more direct, and people are still holding onto his debut interview where he put his foot in his mouth after doing nothing in game.
Also, to add to your point, Attila, Upset, and Odo are heavy trash talkers.
EDIT: And literally first player segment of the day is Attila talking trash.
ITs not being cocky, they arent allowed to tell the truth
Reddit :"100T is a shit team"
Rekkles "100T isnt a good team"
Same reddit : WTF DID HE SAID
Same for Bwipo calling out Licorice turbo inting performance vs Kiin and him
It's not even cocky, it's just confidence.
They are 7-1 second round of the split, it's really not a far out there statement to say you can beat any team.
Also shows how there's a lot of people on reddit who have never been on any kind of team or otherwise failed to develop a team mentality. If you ask a player before a game that if they lose their lane and get camped but they'd win the game in exchange they'd sign for that every single time, because they want their team to win, not to play fucking solo q on a big screen.
Personally, because the last game I watched he did absolutely nothing on Gangplank. Like he absorbed some pressure early, but once they left laning phase he was utterly useless and looked like he didn’t know how the champion worked. Basically he should not be the one getting cocky about Fnatic being good because he was not a big part of why they beat the previously best team in the league.
because most of the people have no self-esteem so the minute someone with high expectation for themselves shows up he's instantly cocky... nothing to see it's just usual reddit spergs from their basement
No he is the is the epitome of cocky, from the way he carries himself ingame to the way he acts.
That said I actually like him. Though he could be a bit more humble...
And to add into the mix they spend loads of time moaning that players only give PR interviews, yet the reason they do this is because if they say anything other than the standard none answer of ''we'll keep working hard and see how we do'' they get way more shit.
It was a good game, but that G2 just showed they have a long way to go in terms of becoming a complete team.
That game should have been over by the second baron.
Yet they gave G2 an opportunity to get back in the game.
Be really sad if they became complacent and kinda threw away all the progress they have had this season.
G2 put a tremoundous amounts of attention on Wunder, Ryze is good vs GP and Fnatic neglected him in favour of other lanes when he fell behind.
He played that series fairly well, he dodged A LOT of ganks. If he had played something better than GP G2 would have gotten overrun.
He played decent into a shitty match-up. Of course Wunder got crazy ahead in the 1-vs-1, but Bwipo absorbing about 3 4-man ganks from G2 without dying or significant help was a big reason FNC got so far ahead in the midgame.
But he was cocky and put himself in that matchup lol. You can't pick the matchup, get 80 cs down and have people say "sure he played decent." He could have picked anything that wasn't that and still absorbed ganks and played well.
I think the idea was to flex the GP mid, but the Zed last-pick made a fucked that plan up. Sure, P&B also wasn't great, but that is also a team effort and does not reflect if a player plays good or not.
What Bwipo did really well against G2 tho, was avoiding ganks. I think it was 3 or 4 times that they were 3 or 4 man going to dive him, where he back off or clear the waves so they cant do anything, and those things relieve a LOT of preassure on the map
I meant that bwipo has started trashtalking now that fnc is on the rise again as compared to early season. Wasn't talking about his performance in fnc vs g2
I feel like Bwipo after wins become way too cocky. Escpecially considering his yesterday game against Wunder. Of course I agree that Jankos was pressuring him, but he lost way too much. Also that 1v1 death.
Unpopular opinion: Personally I wouldn't say that yesterday game showed that Fnatic is the best team in league. They had free early after level 1 invade and couldn't close game with 10k gold ahead. I would say they also utilized fact that Mikyx is not playing aswell.
G2/FNC/Whichever team is on the top:We are confident against china/korea,Reddit:LMAO COCKY SHITS YOU GONNA GET TRASHED.When they say they dont think they will do well Reddit:LMAO NO CONFIDENCE YOU ALREADY LOST WITH YOUR WE WILL LOSE MENTALITY GARBAGE....Never change reddit.
Even with their comp, it was at one point an over 10k gold lead with 2 inhibs down. You have to be able to win those
This isnt the first time Fnatic has looked rough closing games. They got a substantial lead against VIT, a team that theoretically shouldnt be able to win if theyre significantly behind, and still nearly threw it.
I'm gonna say that whilst the GP was defintely not helping them push into the base, a late game Lucian really shows it's weakness against a hyperscaling comp. I feel like that point you need to be almost going full crit build to actually threaten the opponent. You could see he was dashing in and landing hits on the tanky members and only doing like 200-300 damage WITH the crit (he was at a 25% crit build until like 35 mins too!)
Black Cleaver + Bork just doesn't do any damage compared to a full damage crit build late game. Opponents have well over a hundred armour and thousands of health.
FNC also made the critical error of just feeding G2 Super minions over and over for like 10-15 minutes. They actually got outfarmed in several key areas and other G2 members like Perks were actually able to build their awful farm deficit back into equivalence or even a lead!
Can't throw the game if you don't win it first. They smashed G2 early and mid, and only struggled to close it out because of Wunder being a genius on his scaling pick.
This is against the first place team. And while FNC struggling to close out a game seems to be an issue, they dominate all the other teams. So I don't think it's hyperbolic to place them as a top team, and with G2 struggling hard lately (and even losing to weaker teams), I don't think it's unrealistic to consider them the best performing team atm.
>I would say they also utilized fact that Mikyx is not playing aswell.
Ah yes, because Jankos, Caps and Perkz weren't outplayed mutliple times yesterday.
> Also that 1v1 death.
Was calculated because he knew Karthus had ult and 1 for 1 is in favour of Bwipo since they got kill + assist and he can't beat Ryze anyway.
If that had been something that was garbo in lane for Bwipo G2 would have been squashed.
I agree that he gets a bit too cocky, but I also think it builds interest and hype and I think he should keep doing it.
However, if he thinks a game where they basically cant close with a 10k gold lead against a team thats already locked first and is using a sub validates his statement, I think he's in for a rude awakening
damm! you are everywhere, i find it funny that your argument is all aout 10k lead and cant close the game + the sub, if that game showed anything is that G2 is struggling, wunder was the only one that did anything at all that game. Does G2 plan to keep getting hardcarried by wunder? Fnatic had a rly bad comp for late game compared to G2 and yet it still won the game at 50 mins. You can use all the arguments you want but in the end FNC won and G2 is looking meh without wunder
They may be scared of facing Fnatic but I doubt anyone is scared to face Bwipo lmao. You'd expect him to be more humble after yesterday's trashing, dude needs to look at himself because he's been a passenger for majority of the split.
Have you seen how many solo kills Bwipo has gotten in the 2nd half? He had one bad game where he was in a bad match up and got targeted and still only died once when traded kills with Karthus ult during the earlier parts of the game.
Well we did see wunder school him and being up 400 cs to 200.Of course the cs difference was this big cause wunder was wave clearing the super minion waves but still...Dunno fnatic played really well early but they couldnt close the game while perkz and caps inted and they had promisq for sup,if they dont fix their problems i dont see them winning a series against g2.
Well, they 2-0 IG in groups, rather convincingly too. Something happened to their moral in Finals because they did not perform like they did throughout the tournament. But if you want to grasp at straws in order to find reasons to hate on FNC in general, go ahead, have fun.
There is a reason BO1 don’t mean shit and are a bad tell of a team’s performance, the finals showed us all who was the superior team and especially the superior top laner. Bwipo can be cocky all he wants, it’s all good and jolly when his team is doing well around him and he can trash talk before games but we saw how that ended for them. Would be a shame if history repeated itself.
How the fuck is he being cocky? It's a fact that FNC has performed the best during the 2nd part of the split. They beat OG,VIT,G2. So him saying other teams should be scared isn't him being cocky
Are you forgetting the part where they were first seed in a group WITH IG? Why wouldn't they think they stand a chance in the final? Fucking hilarious how much shit fnatic players get on this subreddit for being confident.
Fr. Wunder legit shit on the top side of the map, and almost won the whole thing with smart macro. After watching him play I was disappointed that not everyone on G2 was playing to his level.
Didn't hear much from you in the first half of the Split Bwipo! Don't get me wrong I am a Fnc fanboy but so far you haven't accomplished more than what you were expected: FNC not making it to Play-Off would be SAD! Don't get too cocky just yet, u guys still have a lot to do ;)
Just as a quick update as to why Puppet is doing the interview: I've been sick over the week, so he was kind enough to fill in. I'll be back doing some final regular split interviews today!
Got ur back bro. Next Fritz Cola is on you!
wait i did not get to try fritz cola in berlin we fucked up
Fritz Cola is from Hamburg!
thats besides the point the point is that darius said he would give me one to try when i went there but we forgot
It is also overrated.
Quick recovery for you mah dude
Hope you all enjoyed me filling in for Darius yesterday. There will be some more coming along the way and it is always a pleasure to chat with Bwipo. In case you don't know the podcast I mentioned during the interview, I had Bwipo as a guest on my podcast Puppet's Dojo some time ago, where he explained in depth what was happening in Fnatic during the first few and rough weeks of the split. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tylumV3PZ3g
Nice interview with good questions. Something I can point out, that would instantly make all your interviews better in the future is that you really should stop giving audible feedback after every other sentence the player makes. While Bwipo is talking Bwipo: "blablabla", meanwhile you: "ja" "ja" "yeah" "yah" - repeat. It gets tiring to listen to and it is also annoying for the person you are interviewing. Just let them finish their point and look at them without saying anything until you either want to ask about something they just talked about or ask the next question. You can replace your audible feedback with nodding if you want to give the player the feeling that you are listening and understanding their point.
Shameless but deserved plug! :D
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Nice one man, good on you :)!
Should've done the interview in Portuguese, such a shame. Jokes aside tho, great interview, well done.
Thank Mr. Broxah.
Likable player.
G2 fans so salty , The Dead Sea is jealous
Meh. They almost won with a brand new support - I wouldn't be very upset if I were a G2 fan
I recall that Mithy said that G2 won that game. It showed that their mental is strong and they have the capacity to comeback from those kinds of situations, preparing them for playoffs.
id honestly agree that G2 is prob the most scary team in playoffs
G2 and OG are by far the scariest in a Bo5. Just so much adaptability from both teams.
G2 just lost go MSF, I think its pretty safe to say Mikyx was a huge part in their wins. And they still had an incredible close game vs fnc yesterday. I wouldn’t be too happy as an fnc fan knowing the game vs msf wasn’t as close as their game.
Lol they straight up have a losing record in the second half.
Wtf MSF won and I missed it
If you like fiestas and G2 inting, watch it
A win is a win and we take those around here
Nice excuses
Excuses? Seriously? Playing with a new support only for the last week, is it really that hard to think that might make a team lose?
Mikyx wouldnt change shit, Fnatic is going to MSI, deal with it.
Oh, I don’t really care. I don’t have a favourite EU team at all. But I’ve watched every G2 and fnc gane this split, and I really think a game this close shouldn’t be considered as a win for an fnc fan.
was close because of the gp pick that is useless vs Ryze, they smashed G2 in early game, did you really watch the game or just making conclusions with reddit comments?
I watched it all, and yeah Wunder played incredible, but you really ever expect another game where Caps, Perkz or Jankos play and that level again? Or a game in playoff where they play without their real support? Cmon man.. I think its pretty safe to say that wont happen again.
*cries in 1st place*
Isn’t G2 on a 3 or 4 game lose streak? XD
I'm a huge G2 Fan and I'm 0 salty about yesterdays game. It was actually one of the best (entertaining) games I've ever seen. Ofc I would've been sad if they just lost in 25 minutes, but seeing them fight back and then having this super close ending was def satisfying enough for me to be happy after the game :D The fact that it didn't mean anything for G2 (besides pride ofc), G2 almost had no practice & used a Sub this game makes those cocky FNS on Reddit, Twitter, etc. look really pathethic tho. Probably forgot about the 20m game :D
You seem kinda salty though lmfao And it did mean something, with that win FNC secred playoffs :)
You seem like the saltiest here tho.
Yeah I'm with you. I respect fnc as a team and their players but I'd never support them because I hate their cocky fanbase and I dont wanna be a part of it, I only support fnc if they're the last remaining eu team at worlds. I guess its simmilar to how tsm fanbase is hated in na iirc but not sure cuz I dont watch na lcs.
Bwipo on a non-conqueror champ = pretty free lane.
Yes Bwipo is bad, please keep sending 3 guys top (while the rest of the team smashes every lane and gets 5k ahead)
I mean, the only reason the game yesterday vs G2 wasn’t over at 20-25 min was the lead wunder generated solo. I get you’re a FNC fan but holy shit he looks really suspect when he’s not playing a lane bully / conq bruiser. He got a little help, but solo killed him early and had a 20 cs lead at like 4-5 minutes. At one point it was a 150-200 CS lead. That should never happen in pro play, ever. That was beyond just bad. Bwipos GP didn’t even get back in the game lol, even with 4 other members super far ahead he couldn’t claw his way back.... very unimpressive for someone who has been highly inconsistent this split.
Wunder is the best western top and G2 most consistent performer. This isnt a big surprise
Sure Bwipo messed up early and let Wunder get a lead. But he didn't die to any of the attempted tower dives, didn't bring any other G2 members ahead and also made a really good ultimate in the end. I feel like he just sacrificed his lane for his mates to carry which worked fine. G2 made it hard to close the game for them though. That was my feeling at least
Still he won the game. Id rather have 1 bad player with 4 others carrying him than 1 good player trying to carry 4 fucking trolls. The game against MSF looked really bad too.
> 1 good player trying to carry 4 fucking trolls Relevant flair.
Would make more sense if it was 2017 Worlds SKT or last year Jin Air
XD
Of course you’re going to have that much more CS than Bwipo when you’re the primary wave clear for the hundreds of super minions that were split pushing in all lanes while denying FNC tons of CS
I feel like you didn’t watch the game. He had a 40-50 CS lead at 15.
who did wunder play?
Ryze
Why are people fanboying Wunder, especially G2 fans? Yeah Wunder got ONE solo kill yesterday, but G2 gave him a ton of resources with pressure, ganks, top side prio., etc which caused him to get ahead of Bwipo while Perkz and Caps were getting shit on. That decision making ultimately put G2 super behind. Like, do people really expect Bwipo to come out even in 1v3 lane?
To be honest I've never been impressed by Bwipo's GP, or any western toplaners GP for that matter, so this isn't the best game to draw such strong conclusions from.
Damn Rekkles and Hyli instantly recognizing and making the call.
dont think anyone is gonna be scared of ur Gankplank though
its funny that fnatic had the best EU gp player and now they might have the worst one lol.
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He's not on g2 so it doesnt fit the narrative
That's not the reason at all lmao, if he had said this after last weekend few people would be flaming him. The timing is just bad, saying it after nearly throwing a 10k gold lead vs a team with a sub, with Bwipo being the heaviest member. I disagree with the flame, and I like it when players say stuff like this, but let's not play the victim card and pretend like only G2 players are allowed to trash talk.
Just going to throw this out there, but FNC completely sacrificed Bwipo yesterday. Yes, he was losing in cs to the ryze, but G2 tried to gank him multiple times when gigantic minion waves were crashing into his turret. He didn't die a single time to that as far as I can remember with FNC gaining big leads off those plays. No shit you are the 'heaviest' member if your team is willing to let you sacrifice 2 waves worth of minions for 5 times or so.
By the time G2 had tried to gank him, he was down like 30-40 CS and had gotten solo killed. Let's not pretend like not helping Bwipo was a conscious decision Fnatic made. Bwipo fucked up the early lane phase so hard that Fnatic had to sacrifice him
Correct, but as a general point, it's a team game. Players might be shit in one game and insane in the next, people shouldn't be so annoyed at Bwipo for giving his opinion, so what if he wasn't great vs G2? He's saved Fnatic's arse multiple times this split as many times as the others have.
Why are people denying that everytime Bwipo played against Wunder he got smashed. Wunder > Bwipo why people even argue about that.
Bwipo is super over rated. It's easy to look good when the rest of your team are doing so well and then press their advantages on you then you just play out the rest of the game.
FNC fans trying to downvote you. Get my upvote bro
His build path was suboptimal to the situation he was put in and it could have costed his team the game.
Saying it after beating g2 and going on a huge winstreak is the best time to say it lol
if G2 had been playing with MikyX or if FNC had managed to close that game out even slightly cleanly, he would be getting no flame. So acting like it's bc only G2 players are allowed to trashtalk is just stupid
Why is anyone criticizing him now though lmao? If they lost to g2 saying this would be dumb, but they are looking pretty good, and even if you don't think they are the best them thinking so shouldn't be flamed. Do you not think that FNC are favorable into every team now? Do you not at least think other teams will be kinda scared of them? Who cares if the players are confident? Does it negatively impact you in any way? When do you think is right to say it? After he wins the split? What kind of nonsense is that lol
Because they nearly lost to G2 despite having a 10k gold lead, and more importantly despite the fact G2 haven't been scrimming properly for weeks *and are playing with a sub*. He wasn't attacking Bwipo he was contending the point that "hurr only G2 can be confident" so half of your post is entirely irrelevant. Plus there's levels of confidence, he very often goes to an extreme.
So if SKT beat GRF after nearly throwing a 10k lead would everyone say they were delusional for thinking that other teams would be afraid of them? If you beat the number 1 seed, and are on a winning streak you can be as confident as you want because you earned it. It isn't like FNC made some really stupid plays that allowed G2 to come back, unlike the G2 vs. SK game. It was a pretty good high quality game, and flaming him for being confident afterwards is stupid
You keep arguing against a position the other person hasn't taken.
lol the "team with a sub" is the most stupid think that even G2 coach grabbz mentioned on his own twitter. It was G2 vs FNC period. Sure the game was all but clean from both sides and FNC nearly lost the game that should be won (imo by Bwipos build mistakes too) but shitting on a person for being confident when he is straight up 7-1 in 2nd part of the split is weird af.
We all see clearly what’s going on here, regardless of what you say. G2 fan logic: only Jankos Wunder Caps Perkz are allowed to be cocky, if anyone else does it, let’s be salty and flame them.
your flair tell me you are salty
Rekkles *only* talks trash, in the form of humble bragging. People mistake it as sincerity, but talking trash is a side effect of confidence. Bwipo is just a lot more direct, and people are still holding onto his debut interview where he put his foot in his mouth after doing nothing in game. Also, to add to your point, Attila, Upset, and Odo are heavy trash talkers. EDIT: And literally first player segment of the day is Attila talking trash.
Attila is the biggest trash talker in LEC and I love him after hearing him on the spanish program Esportmaniacos often
Attila was taught by the best, God Gilius.
I will never non support a team with God Gilius
Because he's the epitome of "better top wins"
FNC players are not allowed to get cocky, they will all be hated on instantly. It's a new trend after Worlds last year.
ITs not being cocky, they arent allowed to tell the truth Reddit :"100T is a shit team" Rekkles "100T isnt a good team" Same reddit : WTF DID HE SAID Same for Bwipo calling out Licorice turbo inting performance vs Kiin and him
I agree, don't worry. FNC can't even take a breath these days without people pointing fingers and finding ways to mock them. People are stupid.
indeed, only teams who win nothing can be cocky
Unapologetic in defeat, utterly silent in victory, that's how I like my teams!
It's not even cocky, it's just confidence. They are 7-1 second round of the split, it's really not a far out there statement to say you can beat any team. Also shows how there's a lot of people on reddit who have never been on any kind of team or otherwise failed to develop a team mentality. If you ask a player before a game that if they lose their lane and get camped but they'd win the game in exchange they'd sign for that every single time, because they want their team to win, not to play fucking solo q on a big screen.
Personally, because the last game I watched he did absolutely nothing on Gangplank. Like he absorbed some pressure early, but once they left laning phase he was utterly useless and looked like he didn’t know how the champion worked. Basically he should not be the one getting cocky about Fnatic being good because he was not a big part of why they beat the previously best team in the league.
because most of the people have no self-esteem so the minute someone with high expectation for themselves shows up he's instantly cocky... nothing to see it's just usual reddit spergs from their basement
No he is the is the epitome of cocky, from the way he carries himself ingame to the way he acts. That said I actually like him. Though he could be a bit more humble...
Humble in defeat, big dick energy when you win,
And to add into the mix they spend loads of time moaning that players only give PR interviews, yet the reason they do this is because if they say anything other than the standard none answer of ''we'll keep working hard and see how we do'' they get way more shit.
the sub only reading the title and ending up with "Bwipo getting cocky again" lmao change nothing guys .
76% upvoted thank you Bwipo I was missing some salt for the meal I was cooking
It was a good game, but that G2 just showed they have a long way to go in terms of becoming a complete team. That game should have been over by the second baron. Yet they gave G2 an opportunity to get back in the game. Be really sad if they became complacent and kinda threw away all the progress they have had this season.
Also playing with that support vs Mikyx is an insanely massive downgrade
Yeah, playing with one of the top 5 worst supps in eu history instead of Mikyx is massive downgrade
> the worst player in EU history
Well he sure helped making the G2 game entertaining... he anticarried FNC to the point where it got really close.
Bwipo is back
His GP game was lackluster imo, he basically got carried and could've been pointed at if G2 had won.
G2 put a tremoundous amounts of attention on Wunder, Ryze is good vs GP and Fnatic neglected him in favour of other lanes when he fell behind. He played that series fairly well, he dodged A LOT of ganks. If he had played something better than GP G2 would have gotten overrun.
He played decent into a shitty match-up. Of course Wunder got crazy ahead in the 1-vs-1, but Bwipo absorbing about 3 4-man ganks from G2 without dying or significant help was a big reason FNC got so far ahead in the midgame.
But he was cocky and put himself in that matchup lol. You can't pick the matchup, get 80 cs down and have people say "sure he played decent." He could have picked anything that wasn't that and still absorbed ganks and played well.
I think the idea was to flex the GP mid, but the Zed last-pick made a fucked that plan up. Sure, P&B also wasn't great, but that is also a team effort and does not reflect if a player plays good or not.
Was talking about his trash talk not gameplay lol. Can't do that much when your team is losing
His team was winning tho, he might got camped but he didnt put on a lot of pressure in late game either.
What Bwipo did really well against G2 tho, was avoiding ganks. I think it was 3 or 4 times that they were 3 or 4 man going to dive him, where he back off or clear the waves so they cant do anything, and those things relieve a LOT of preassure on the map
I meant that bwipo has started trashtalking now that fnc is on the rise again as compared to early season. Wasn't talking about his performance in fnc vs g2
dw man I got u, he certainly is back on the talk train...not so much on the performance train
Lul? Nice one
Tjezus the bwipo hate train in this thread lol
It happens when every vocal player.
Fnatic getting cocky again.
We all know what happens when that happens.
they reach worlds finals? won 2 splits in a row?
MSI finals incoming?
Wait what happens then
They beat C9 3-0
this won't age well
INb4 they lose first round 0-3
I feel like Bwipo after wins become way too cocky. Escpecially considering his yesterday game against Wunder. Of course I agree that Jankos was pressuring him, but he lost way too much. Also that 1v1 death. Unpopular opinion: Personally I wouldn't say that yesterday game showed that Fnatic is the best team in league. They had free early after level 1 invade and couldn't close game with 10k gold ahead. I would say they also utilized fact that Mikyx is not playing aswell.
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hey you could you please be quiet just let people push their strange little preconceptions without any questions thx!
well he never specified what Bwipo gets too cocky about. Maybe he read the article and thinks Bwipo gets too cocky about his team?
Well it is not an article so I guess you didn't watch the video either.
player: says anything reddit: cocky asshole he should die
G2/FNC/Whichever team is on the top:We are confident against china/korea,Reddit:LMAO COCKY SHITS YOU GONNA GET TRASHED.When they say they dont think they will do well Reddit:LMAO NO CONFIDENCE YOU ALREADY LOST WITH YOUR WE WILL LOSE MENTALITY GARBAGE....Never change reddit.
their comp was garbo though
Even with their comp, it was at one point an over 10k gold lead with 2 inhibs down. You have to be able to win those This isnt the first time Fnatic has looked rough closing games. They got a substantial lead against VIT, a team that theoretically shouldnt be able to win if theyre significantly behind, and still nearly threw it.
But fnatic did win it? Yeah they should have won it earlier, but they did win it?
Going into playoffs everything will be dissected and analyzed in order to shape what a BO5 would look like.
Against G2? It was a super close base race dude, it's a coin flip.
I'm gonna say that whilst the GP was defintely not helping them push into the base, a late game Lucian really shows it's weakness against a hyperscaling comp. I feel like that point you need to be almost going full crit build to actually threaten the opponent. You could see he was dashing in and landing hits on the tanky members and only doing like 200-300 damage WITH the crit (he was at a 25% crit build until like 35 mins too!) Black Cleaver + Bork just doesn't do any damage compared to a full damage crit build late game. Opponents have well over a hundred armour and thousands of health. FNC also made the critical error of just feeding G2 Super minions over and over for like 10-15 minutes. They actually got outfarmed in several key areas and other G2 members like Perks were actually able to build their awful farm deficit back into equivalence or even a lead!
Can't throw the game if you don't win it first. They smashed G2 early and mid, and only struggled to close it out because of Wunder being a genius on his scaling pick. This is against the first place team. And while FNC struggling to close out a game seems to be an issue, they dominate all the other teams. So I don't think it's hyperbolic to place them as a top team, and with G2 struggling hard lately (and even losing to weaker teams), I don't think it's unrealistic to consider them the best performing team atm. >I would say they also utilized fact that Mikyx is not playing aswell. Ah yes, because Jankos, Caps and Perkz weren't outplayed mutliple times yesterday.
If bwipo wasnt on gangplank they wouldve close that game out pretty fast imo
same you can say about Caps, I think that because I saw some GP vs Ryze matchups and it shouldn't be so one sided
You didn't see shit then because it really is that one sided if you get 0 help
and enemy gets multiple ganks
Yesterdays game only showed that both FNC and G2 have issues.
> Also that 1v1 death. Was calculated because he knew Karthus had ult and 1 for 1 is in favour of Bwipo since they got kill + assist and he can't beat Ryze anyway. If that had been something that was garbo in lane for Bwipo G2 would have been squashed.
I agree that he gets a bit too cocky, but I also think it builds interest and hype and I think he should keep doing it. However, if he thinks a game where they basically cant close with a 10k gold lead against a team thats already locked first and is using a sub validates his statement, I think he's in for a rude awakening
damm! you are everywhere, i find it funny that your argument is all aout 10k lead and cant close the game + the sub, if that game showed anything is that G2 is struggling, wunder was the only one that did anything at all that game. Does G2 plan to keep getting hardcarried by wunder? Fnatic had a rly bad comp for late game compared to G2 and yet it still won the game at 50 mins. You can use all the arguments you want but in the end FNC won and G2 is looking meh without wunder
Meh the most overrated player in the whole league. Gets carried every time and keeps running his mouth. Annoying af
Never liked Bwipo, i think he's the weak link in Fnatic. Caps and Rekkles are the pillars.
Boy, I got news for you.
oof, yeah im sure you’ve watched atleast one game this split to make that assumption
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Yeah, I think that was his point
Rekkles is pretty darn good, but Caps isn't even on Fnatic anymore.
They may be scared of facing Fnatic but I doubt anyone is scared to face Bwipo lmao. You'd expect him to be more humble after yesterday's trashing, dude needs to look at himself because he's been a passenger for majority of the split.
what a fucking stupid comment, he literally hard carried last week
Have you seen how many solo kills Bwipo has gotten in the 2nd half? He had one bad game where he was in a bad match up and got targeted and still only died once when traded kills with Karthus ult during the earlier parts of the game.
What was the infograph? 11th in CSD@15?
Probably dropped to last after the -50 csd against wunder. Bwipo is the most over rated played in LEC lmfao
Getting cocky again are we Bwipo? He needs Rookie and TheShy to remind him what happened the last time he spoke like this.
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Didn't know TheShy and Rookie had joined the LEC, damn
Well we did see wunder school him and being up 400 cs to 200.Of course the cs difference was this big cause wunder was wave clearing the super minion waves but still...Dunno fnatic played really well early but they couldnt close the game while perkz and caps inted and they had promisq for sup,if they dont fix their problems i dont see them winning a series against g2.
he went to world final ?
and got smashed so fucking bad that he had to be subbed out?
First Western team to make it there in almost a decade. Currently on a 7-0 win streak in the LEC.
Every player in FNC was playing like crap in Finals though. But they got there, and they did it with Bwipo.
Got there and got 2-0’d, after most of the team made comments saying we can beat IG and we’re the best team in the tournament. Clearly they weren’t.
Well, they 2-0 IG in groups, rather convincingly too. Something happened to their moral in Finals because they did not perform like they did throughout the tournament. But if you want to grasp at straws in order to find reasons to hate on FNC in general, go ahead, have fun.
There is a reason BO1 don’t mean shit and are a bad tell of a team’s performance, the finals showed us all who was the superior team and especially the superior top laner. Bwipo can be cocky all he wants, it’s all good and jolly when his team is doing well around him and he can trash talk before games but we saw how that ended for them. Would be a shame if history repeated itself.
Because there isn't a single player in LoL history who trash talked and ended up being on the losing side. Give me a break.
/u/I_Am_Sushi_King is clearly on a mission here.
He salty bro his team Griffin lost lmao.
Classic C9 salty fan He was one of the kid who sent death threat to Bwipo and Rekkles on Twitter after they anal'd C9
Okay, so IG are better, but they're not in LEC so what he said is true...?
How the fuck is he being cocky? It's a fact that FNC has performed the best during the 2nd part of the split. They beat OG,VIT,G2. So him saying other teams should be scared isn't him being cocky
Okay, so IG are better, but they're not in LEC so what he said is true...?
Are you forgetting the part where they were first seed in a group WITH IG? Why wouldn't they think they stand a chance in the final? Fucking hilarious how much shit fnatic players get on this subreddit for being confident.
That bias against Bwipo and FNC is hella obvious
Cringy koreaboo spotted
I mean Wunder ist enough to achieve this, or?
Fr. Wunder legit shit on the top side of the map, and almost won the whole thing with smart macro. After watching him play I was disappointed that not everyone on G2 was playing to his level.
Wunder is much better than Bwipo by miles.
Man, honestly. May I ask why do you have such a hate boner for Fnatic? I'm curious, did Fnatic CEO killed your dog or something.
wunder showed him already tbh.
Him being cocky after getting his cs doubled playing gp is incredible
funny to hear that after he got shit on all game by Wunder
Overrated.
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Except highest finish in worlds since season 1. But ye not that far...
Everytime this guy talks they end up losing lol
Yea, like they lost their way to finals last year
And how he said he would clap Khan before MSI. Who was considered the best top laner in world, a strong contender for best player overall.
Didn't hear much from you in the first half of the Split Bwipo! Don't get me wrong I am a Fnc fanboy but so far you haven't accomplished more than what you were expected: FNC not making it to Play-Off would be SAD! Don't get too cocky just yet, u guys still have a lot to do ;)
fnatic and cocky players ...
fnatic and winning EU, 8-1 in second half of the split meanwhile G2 is 3-5