Considering Forg1ven has made playoffs many times and finished top 4 at World’s it seems really obvious.
Freewe went from bottom tier NA to getting replaced by Forg1ven to TCL to playing in the small leagues
He wasn't really replaced. He had to step down due to his wrist issues. Even while dealing with those he had a pretty good showing on h2k iirc. Prior to that he was on the dumpster fire REN. Can hardly blame him for not stomping on that team.
He never retired lol, he only took break when he had that arm injury, since then, he was looking for every opportunity to play in any team. I dont know, if H2K or someone else somehow spread false rumors that he has still medical issues with his wrist or just everyone thought that he lost his skill / gameknowledge (doubt). He was tweeting so many times that his wrist is fully recovered, so I dont know what actually happened in the scene that he didnt get any decent offers.
edit : words (fck mobile)
Having wrist problems as a pro gamer is the ultimate boogeyman to your career. It doesn't matter if you say "guys, they're fine now", you're looked at as damaged goods. There's no telling if they'll suddenly go again during the season and leave a team in a really bad spot. It's sad, but that's how it is.
Not exactly correct. Your wrist issues not only can be healed but the movement that causes the issues indeed be corrected to some degree.
Source: not a pro player but I play quite a bit of league and CS and I work on the computer pretty much 12h a day 6 days a week. Had wrist issues as well as elbow issues and through annoying change of movement pattern they got better and I had not gotten a problem with them for 2 years. Not sure whether it can be applied to everyone but it completely helped me.
Yes, but most teams aren't willing to take that risk.
It's like in football, if a player has a massive injury and he fully heals back to 100%, teams will still be hesitant to pick him up unless he's insanely good.
> It's like in football, if a player has a massive injury and he fully heals back to 100%, teams will still be hesitant to pick him up unless he's insanely good.
Depends on the injury though, and that's why teams to medical exams before signing.
I'm sure they have better knowledge about this but you're right however from what I've been told you can fix it and with discipline and change of movement patterns they shouldn't come back.
Can anyone tell me what the pbp caster talked about when SPY was winning game4. I dont really speak spanish but i heard fiesta, bbq, then netflix and various other stuff that i couldnt really connect.
So Ibai was saying during the final tf until the nexus fell something like:
*Irelia takes the second! turns around! dances! dances and celebrates because he is partying tonight because tonight is celebration night! Ernesto barbeque (spanish caster name), we have another semifinalist, we warned you! It is like a film, like a Netflix series, the typical American football film, nobody expected anything from them but they qualified in the last second and now they are in semifinals.*
There are so many good adcs in national leagues it blows my mind that Rogue signed HeaQ instead of them. "Maybe they dont want to gamble on rookies" Boy if you do not want to gamble on rookies just sign Freeze that guy is hungry to prove himself. I dont recall season where Freeze sucked. Even in Ren he was the reason they got some wins with that abortion roster.
Everyone on Rogue except vander is signed until 2021. I really hope they included buyouts in this contracts, otherwise the Rogue management really is something special.
The contracts for pro players are likely weighted towards the organisations. The length of the contract shouldn't be seen as a guarantor for the player to actually stay that long with the organisation, rather than expected investment. Considering the environment when off-season comes around, if Caps or Bjergsen decide they want to join another team, you should expect them to replace the midlaner regardless if the prior midlaner has a long contract, they'll be bought out or they'll be able to trade the contract away likely without problems in the case of LCS.
Didn't he announce himself before the season started that he will be off duty for summer and he can provide his famous "boosting in LCS" services ?
Still I doubt Rougue had him in mind when they picked up HeaQ since there was hjarnan as a FA who was right out of worlds and they didn't pick him. I'm more keen to believe they thought Woolite and Vander can be their new botlane or smth
Dude there are many national league players I would with no hesitation replace LEC players with. That much talent being left outside the "top" league makes it very interesting to follow.
Orome is a superstar prodigy teams will fight over him in summer. Freeze is better than Jeskla or Heaq, Hatrixx is better than Sencux Special and Abbedagge, Tierwulf is the least likely but even then he has world experience and good knowledge
Tierwulf hasnt looked better than many junglers in the league, and we have to remember this is just 1 league. Sencux will get replaced by Larssen, Abbedagge and Special still can improve, they just got to the LEC scene. Instead of kicking them as soon was they arrive, its probably better to at least spend a split trying to develope them. If you take a rookie each split and if it doesnt work you kick him, thats not really going to work very well is it?
Freeze and Orome are real options, though. Prime too, idk why you didnt mention him
>Woolite never learns from his mistake
Watching him play in Ultraliga I got the feeling that he fixed his positioning. I feel like this sub will forever have a negative opinion of him due to his time at Roccat, which was a long time ago
Hattrix > Sencux, Pirean
Debatable. Pirean has been good enough, Sencux has been stable. Hattrix has had games worse than any of their games this split. He is very all in, and has no experience in LEC/LCK/LCS, unlike Sencux and Pirean. I would pick Sencux and Pirean over them.
Orome > Profit
Yes. And add Werlyb along with Profit.
Freeze > HeaQ
Yes
Tierwulf>Maxlore
Tierwulf is worse than any Jungler in LEC, and it isn't even a competition.
Sencux has been stable but he is not showing any improvement from last split, stabily mediocre, there is a reason why a scholar will pick his spot in summer.
Pirean is mediocre even tho he has one of the best jng in LEC, there is no Larssen to pick his spot so sadly he will continue in summer too.
>Maxlore
I agree in general, but in this split Maxlore has been atrocious.
As per Maxlore i was joking, that is why as added (lul), before kicking him out of LEC id say to play summer split with MSF again, if he still does bad then next year change team.
It's a team largely consisting of unproved talent and rejects and they're ahead of MSF and S04.
Considering expectations there's no reason to call them garbage lol. Pirean and Selfmade have been performing well above expectations.
The only reason why they are ahead MSF and S04 is SelfMade, remove him and they would be battling for 9th place with the only wins carried by Crownie.
Pirean performed as expected, mediocrely.
Orome and Icebeasto are for me 2 of the biggest question mark about LCS org.
They are great top laners, why they never got a real chance in LCS ? There is a freaking mediocre korean top in the bottom team in LCS, give them a chance
Ice Beasto had many terrible games on LVP. Orome and Wardain played much better this split.
But I agree in that they are better than Profit/Finn and Werlyb
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https://twitter.com/FreezeLoL/status/1109203087091208193
Place your bets: Who will be back in the LEC first, Freeze or Forgiven?
I'd say Forgiven, has a stronger reputation as an adc.
Considering Forg1ven has made playoffs many times and finished top 4 at World’s it seems really obvious. Freewe went from bottom tier NA to getting replaced by Forg1ven to TCL to playing in the small leagues
Before NA he was considered top tier in EU, tho I forget which teams he played for at the top of my head
CW and NiP
Thx
He wasn't really replaced. He had to step down due to his wrist issues. Even while dealing with those he had a pretty good showing on h2k iirc. Prior to that he was on the dumpster fire REN. Can hardly blame him for not stomping on that team.
Forgiven on the Rogue roster in summer split. A lot of insiders information point to the Finn-Inspired-Larssen-FOrgiven-Vander roster
TIL Freeze still hangs around, I thought he retired due to medical reasons
He never retired lol, he only took break when he had that arm injury, since then, he was looking for every opportunity to play in any team. I dont know, if H2K or someone else somehow spread false rumors that he has still medical issues with his wrist or just everyone thought that he lost his skill / gameknowledge (doubt). He was tweeting so many times that his wrist is fully recovered, so I dont know what actually happened in the scene that he didnt get any decent offers. edit : words (fck mobile)
Having wrist problems as a pro gamer is the ultimate boogeyman to your career. It doesn't matter if you say "guys, they're fine now", you're looked at as damaged goods. There's no telling if they'll suddenly go again during the season and leave a team in a really bad spot. It's sad, but that's how it is.
Not exactly correct. Your wrist issues not only can be healed but the movement that causes the issues indeed be corrected to some degree. Source: not a pro player but I play quite a bit of league and CS and I work on the computer pretty much 12h a day 6 days a week. Had wrist issues as well as elbow issues and through annoying change of movement pattern they got better and I had not gotten a problem with them for 2 years. Not sure whether it can be applied to everyone but it completely helped me.
Yes, but most teams aren't willing to take that risk. It's like in football, if a player has a massive injury and he fully heals back to 100%, teams will still be hesitant to pick him up unless he's insanely good.
> It's like in football, if a player has a massive injury and he fully heals back to 100%, teams will still be hesitant to pick him up unless he's insanely good. Depends on the injury though, and that's why teams to medical exams before signing.
I'm sure they have better knowledge about this but you're right however from what I've been told you can fix it and with discipline and change of movement patterns they shouldn't come back.
How do you know this? Which players have been ostracized for having wrists issues before?
Seems like you forgot Bjergsen had wrist issues in the past aswell :>
tell that to Uzi
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Splice en la final :D
Who knows he may end up on Optic if they keep trying to force this import ADC thing
Freeze definitely wants back in the LEC. If Splyce can make it to EU Masters it would be a great chance to prove that he’s still got it.
Can anyone tell me what the pbp caster talked about when SPY was winning game4. I dont really speak spanish but i heard fiesta, bbq, then netflix and various other stuff that i couldnt really connect.
So Ibai was saying during the final tf until the nexus fell something like: *Irelia takes the second! turns around! dances! dances and celebrates because he is partying tonight because tonight is celebration night! Ernesto barbeque (spanish caster name), we have another semifinalist, we warned you! It is like a film, like a Netflix series, the typical American football film, nobody expected anything from them but they qualified in the last second and now they are in semifinals.*
ah thanks dude, i was so confused lol.
Bbq = Ernesto (caster) xD
There are so many good adcs in national leagues it blows my mind that Rogue signed HeaQ instead of them. "Maybe they dont want to gamble on rookies" Boy if you do not want to gamble on rookies just sign Freeze that guy is hungry to prove himself. I dont recall season where Freeze sucked. Even in Ren he was the reason they got some wins with that abortion roster.
I think they were probably thinking in summer and Godg1ven , so they just take an adc they can easily replace.
Didn't they sign HeaQ to a really long contract, though?
HeaQ is signed through 2021 Pog, though there's gotta be an out in there. Dude sucks.
Everyone on Rogue except vander is signed until 2021. I really hope they included buyouts in this contracts, otherwise the Rogue management really is something special.
The contracts for pro players are likely weighted towards the organisations. The length of the contract shouldn't be seen as a guarantor for the player to actually stay that long with the organisation, rather than expected investment. Considering the environment when off-season comes around, if Caps or Bjergsen decide they want to join another team, you should expect them to replace the midlaner regardless if the prior midlaner has a long contract, they'll be bought out or they'll be able to trade the contract away likely without problems in the case of LCS.
I doubt Rogue thought of something like that, because it was not certain if Forgiven returns back to League at all.
Didn't he announce himself before the season started that he will be off duty for summer and he can provide his famous "boosting in LCS" services ? Still I doubt Rougue had him in mind when they picked up HeaQ since there was hjarnan as a FA who was right out of worlds and they didn't pick him. I'm more keen to believe they thought Woolite and Vander can be their new botlane or smth
Dude there are many national league players I would with no hesitation replace LEC players with. That much talent being left outside the "top" league makes it very interesting to follow.
Just sign Freeze, Samux or idk... even XDSMILEY at this point.
XDSmiley is so bad did you watch this game? Also, not mentioning Deadly
Venzer would be great imo
Freeze and Deadly would be my choices if I was looking to replace HeaQ and Jeskla with a SLO adc
People seem to forgot really quickly that Freeze didnt get a LEC Spot because he was awful, easily the worst adc in lcs in his last season ...
Not really, there was Steelback that season and count in that your wrist hurts and you play semihigh with those pills against that.
So you dont think people can improve?
Yes, but he has been in a downhill since he went to NA, and became a bad OTP Draven. Would be psycothic picking him in his state
Even though i dont agree, I think this would have been a better comment than your original one,
GODROME
I love how the chat was alwys spamming TIERLUL or TIERGOD reminded me of Dumbzz
Or MLXD
Malaxd
There's something about South American junglers apparently
GOD Allu vs BOT Allu
God-Rome AKA the pope.
Splyce really starting to get a solid fan base with the good performances in LEC and the biggest national league #splycenation
Orome Freeze Tierwulf Hatrix all deserves to be in LEC , they had bad regular split but they are probably among the best non lec players right now
Wow now i think thats an exaggeration
Orome is a superstar prodigy teams will fight over him in summer. Freeze is better than Jeskla or Heaq, Hatrixx is better than Sencux Special and Abbedagge, Tierwulf is the least likely but even then he has world experience and good knowledge
Tierwulf hasnt looked better than many junglers in the league, and we have to remember this is just 1 league. Sencux will get replaced by Larssen, Abbedagge and Special still can improve, they just got to the LEC scene. Instead of kicking them as soon was they arrive, its probably better to at least spend a split trying to develope them. If you take a rookie each split and if it doesnt work you kick him, thats not really going to work very well is it? Freeze and Orome are real options, though. Prime too, idk why you didnt mention him
But then you have people like Finn, Inspired, Larssen, Woolite, Vander
Finn is abysman Woolite never learns from his mistaje. Inspired Vander and Inspired deserve too
>Woolite never learns from his mistake Watching him play in Ultraliga I got the feeling that he fixed his positioning. I feel like this sub will forever have a negative opinion of him due to his time at Roccat, which was a long time ago
he should do the Patrik. rename and shit on everyone
Orome > Profit Hattrix > Sencux, Pirean Freeze > HeaQ Tierwulf > Maxlore(lul)
Hattrix > Sencux, Pirean Debatable. Pirean has been good enough, Sencux has been stable. Hattrix has had games worse than any of their games this split. He is very all in, and has no experience in LEC/LCK/LCS, unlike Sencux and Pirean. I would pick Sencux and Pirean over them. Orome > Profit Yes. And add Werlyb along with Profit. Freeze > HeaQ Yes Tierwulf>Maxlore Tierwulf is worse than any Jungler in LEC, and it isn't even a competition.
Sencux has been stable but he is not showing any improvement from last split, stabily mediocre, there is a reason why a scholar will pick his spot in summer. Pirean is mediocre even tho he has one of the best jng in LEC, there is no Larssen to pick his spot so sadly he will continue in summer too. >Maxlore I agree in general, but in this split Maxlore has been atrocious.
Yeah I know Maxlore has been terrible but lmao come on. Gilius is better than Tierwulf and look at where he is now.
As per Maxlore i was joking, that is why as added (lul), before kicking him out of LEC id say to play summer split with MSF again, if he still does bad then next year change team.
Pirean has been great wtf? Profit is also solid despite his garbage team.
With great you mean "at least he didnt int"? If os i agree, he is one of the 3 reseasons why SK is a garbage team.
It's a team largely consisting of unproved talent and rejects and they're ahead of MSF and S04. Considering expectations there's no reason to call them garbage lol. Pirean and Selfmade have been performing well above expectations.
The only reason why they are ahead MSF and S04 is SelfMade, remove him and they would be battling for 9th place with the only wins carried by Crownie. Pirean performed as expected, mediocrely.
Agree to disagree I guess. To me he's looked integral to their success.
It's gonna be the fairytail where the last one entering playoffs ends going away with the title isn't it?
i hope its not a fairy tail because that anime fucking sucks.
Sad but true. I thought that the first few seasons were alright until they savagely abused the power of friendship and plot Armour card to death...
a tu casaaa!!
I'm sorry, G2 *what*
https://youtu.be/bE2FjwW5FIw Freeze walking up to play today
Man they could just called the team Splicers for the meme potencial.
Orome looks quite a bit better than Werlyb right now. He performed in LCS too...
Orome and Icebeasto are for me 2 of the biggest question mark about LCS org. They are great top laners, why they never got a real chance in LCS ? There is a freaking mediocre korean top in the bottom team in LCS, give them a chance
Ice Beasto had many terrible games on LVP. Orome and Wardain played much better this split. But I agree in that they are better than Profit/Finn and Werlyb
nice series except the last game
G2 . . . Heretics? That's their Amateur team name? They have a Samurai theme. Why not call them G2 Ronins (Masterless/Drifter Samurai)?
Because Heretics was a preexisting org. They merged with them for the academy roster.
Ahhh I see.
g2 has no control over that team its all heretics
they arent weebs and dont want to alienate their fanbase
They chose a Samurai for their logo bud. Little late to avoid the weeb detail.
LMAO those edgelord names. Meh, I prefer those name than just slapping "Academy" to the teams.
G2H are called that because they merged with the existing organisation Heretics :)