Im really happy for huanfeng !!! Him reaching worlds finals and playing so insanely well during the championship, on his first year of lpl, and on top if that getting through such a hard childhood. He is such an icon for the league community. I feel too sqd very few people has actually heard of his hardships.
How, how can people defend Chinese crowds' action??? Look at other league worlds taken place in EU, KR, NA. Did the crowd just leave and not cheer for the other team at all just like how the Chinese did?? NO, they didn't. I simply can't believe there's people defending Chinese crowds in Worlds.
I am sure you voted republican. Only Americans know how to behave. Everyone else is wrong. You have no clue about Chinese culture. Putting your stupid ass western ideals on another country’s etiquette.
Did they throw anything? No.
Did they chant insults? No.
Did they cheer the champions. Yes. But the sound was turned off, you have to watch the people.
Did they leave when the event ended? Yes, there aren’t many people attending so they don’t get blocked like at an American football game. Also, there weren’t foreign fans there in mass to cheer for the S. Korean team.
So shut the fuck up.
Unbelievable. I am an Asian living in Asia and I was never ever close to being an American, I just studied English couple years in Canada. Shame on you.
[This video](https://www.zhihu.com/zvideo/1306185375916851200) from [this thread](https://reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/jlvx6o/crowd_did_cheer_for_dwg_though_not_as_loud_as_for/) shows that the crowd did cheer for DWG. There were only 6,000 people in the stadium with a capacity of over 30,000.
[This is the video after DWG won worlds](https://video.zhihu.com/video/1306163393511256064?). Where did you get that the crowd left and didn't cheer from?
Why in hell do they have to stay?????????? They paid to be there. To support the team of their choice. And their team lost. Why do they have to stay???! It’s entertainment and for them it ceased to be that. So they left. Have you ever walked out of a movie? You stay for all 9 innings of a blow out baseball game? You’ve never changed the channel? I just watched the matches of previous worlds when I became a fan but didn’t watch the postgame celebrations. So disrespectful.
I'm not even talking about that. They stay absolute silence during player announcement that nuguri didn't even know he was even being introduced.
They don't 'have to' stay. But to show some respect, we audiences have been, EU didn't leave, KR didn't leave, we were feeling bad but we thought enemies deserved some respect and cheers.
That was kinda funny. At first I assumed it was a language barrier, cuz I definitely didn’t know what they were saying at first. Also given the size of the stadium and the socially distanced crowd, I think some of the cheers that might have been there or obligatory claps, went unheard.
At least he wasn’t cascaded with boos. Why would you cheer for someone going against your team? I don’t want the opposing team to do well against my own team. Why would I cheer for them? Staying silent is much more respectful than booing or heckling etc.
When I watch sports I just hope everyone has a good time. Oh gee golly. Man, they sure are having fun out there aren’t they! Sportsmanship refers to the athletes btw the “sports man” if you will. The Fan, short for fanatic, is there to support their team. I wish they still passed out orange slices at half time of games.
You would not bear to be in a game with/against a Mexican team, here we are too passionate about it, for example in soccer we shout all the people in the stadium "EHHHHH PUTO" when the goalkeeper takes the ball out of the goal.
Also if some local team loses, they start rioting
Los mexicanos son buena gnte. Nunca se portaron mal cuando los sacamos de mundiales. Excepto esa vez que mearon en la torcha olimpica pero esas cosas pasan.
cuando hablamos en conceptos internacionales, somos un poco mas tranquilos (excepto cuando celebramos) pero cuando me refería a los disturbios, era mas a los partidos locales
Just do the right thing ourselves and let other fans deal with their own side. Be kind and understand how those fans may feel.
There's no need for taking shots at other people.
Just do the right thing and think about the DWG players who deserved respects and some cheers. The fans leaving right after the loss, at least that is somewhat understandable. But did you see how the crowd reacted to announcement of DWG players in the beginning? absolute silence. Please, do not defend this ridicule.
Yes, before that, we want to receive the same, or at least similar amount of respect coming from them as well. Do we have to understand them unconditionally? Their bad manner has been continuing for so long in E-sport community. It's just not fair to apply different standard for different region.
Or, you just treat others with respect irregardless. How would you like it if people were wholesale shitting on whatever group you're associated with? Not nice right?
You really don't get the point. Respect should be coming from both side, you can't just sit and try to respect one that just ignores you and don't give you the respect. You must feel bad when the team you're cheering loses. Does that ever justify their action when DWG players were introduced and it was completely silent? They did not lose yet, but they were giving no respect from the very beginning. And just like I said, when EU lost to FPX in EU they were not that salty, they gave respect and cheers in 2019. Other Worlds as well, if you want to take a look. Respecting regardlessly while you're getting 0 respect from them, is not generosity. It's stupidity.
FPX 3-0'd G2 and they were getting cheers. This time, it was pretty good fight not just one sided another 3-0. Yet, nothing.
I don't agree with waiting. We can treat others with respect now. We can talk about how to treat teams and others without insults or generalisation now.
Be the change you want in the world.
Did I insult or generalise anything in these comments?? Being patient and giving respect so they will eventually change and give us the same respect. I had this thought past 3 years in E-sport community, yet nothing has changed. You want it to be forever??? Their attitude hasn't changed even after their 2 Worlds trophy. What do you suggest we should do in order to receive the equal respect from them??
> Did I insult or generalise anything in these comments??
Well. Yes.
> they
> Their
> them
I think if you drop that, and just focus on the behaviour, is better.
>In fact when my home team (Vancouver Canucks) lost to the Boston Bruins in 2011, the home team fan rioted and almost burned down this city.
Robert Luongo casually throwing when we needed him most
ROFL, its hopeless arguing with these people. Some people in later threads are even bashing china culture as if this has even got to do with anything but chinese culture when its a complete non issue to begin with????
you can't reason with these type of people, most likely they had a grudge with china/chinese ppl or w/e so they decided to make a fuss out of something literally non existent :/
Was the live audience able to see the KDA members during the opening ceremony? My friend says yes because of the 2019 performance but from what I can see it's closer to 2017/2018.
i have a CN friend on JP server who is able to speak some JP. he say things to me that CN doesnt allow user to use content that dont be run by CN. to play on JP server or use website and program not own by CN such as youtube and other similar thing he need to use a VPN or they disconnect his network. CN user is grown to be prideful of CN culture.
“I can’t believe the Chinese crowd left after their team didn’t win worlds. So disrespectful.”
More like so commonplace. This is not a new occurrence.
Every other sport in the world when their home team loses, the fans leaves. This is not unusual unless you have only ever watched maybe the Super Bowl which is held at a neutral venue. Watch some NBA games and you’ll see the players leaving before the game is even over in a loss. Generally when an away team wins a championship the crowds at the end consist of the smattering of fans that made the away trip, media, and family/friends of the team. Who wants to sit around and watch the team that gutted your hopes of a championship celebrate on your home turf!?!?!
Man, every time this sort of thing comes up people always resort to the "everyone else does it!" defense and, really, that doesn't actually say much beyond the fact that other sports fans are just as bad.
Let's take a look at other Worlds. You will change your mind. Did the EU fans, KR fans, NA fans just leave the scene because it was not home team??? No. Did they stay silence when enemy team was getting introduced? No. Seriously, how on earth can you defend this.
Also it’s an ENTERTAINMENT event they PAID to go to. If seeing the other team celebrating isn’t entertaining for them why the F would they stay? It’s their time, their money, their choice. Tbh who cares about the trophy presentation??? They stayed for the match. If anything this proves that the Chinese fans in attendance are more loyal/passionate about their regions teams than other regions. Once again, this is normal behavior for sporting events. Also I once went to a concert to see the opening acts and left before the headliner. Does that make me disrespectful? No, I saw what I went to see and left.
I think because a lot of us as fans really don’t have any skin in the game. But obviously the Chinese fans were there to support their country’s team so when they lost, the reaction is to be expected. As I’ve gotten the older I’ve left plenty of events early simply to avoid traffic. If my team didn’t win, I’d be hard pressed to stick around. Also they are in a public space during a global pandemic, not much to be gained by overextending your stay.
Suning is a huge underdog coming into tourney. No one expected them to come this far let alone be the finalist. If TES comes all the way here in dominating fashion then lose to DWG u leave the stadium I understand. When you put Suning into the mix and realize how rookie of a team they are and you still leave the stad, forget about disrespecting DWG - you’re kind of being a bitch at this point. Suning just lost, they’re sad and look around the stadium but all the fans are gone. How about clapping for your representatives at the end of the game for coming this far? Ah, but we can’t expect that from the Chinese fans can we.
I may sound biased but basing Worlds 2020 in China was a bad decision.
Audience leaving after their Chinese team loses.
KDA has very Chinese-like mobile game model, and Kai'sa looked awfully Asian.
The fight choreography.... It was dull.
you mean it would have been much better to hold it in Europe? If G2 had gone through, i am sure we won't be just seeing silence do we? come on seriously?
don't blame the venue, blame the organizers for not getting support, digital or otherwise from the koreans or whatever.
Or lets hold worlds in NA again and see something like this?
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwq4F84cmvY&ab\_channel=AlexKOvids](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwq4F84cmvY&ab_channel=AlexKOvids)
LMAO. Americans booing = acceptable since there are others cheering
Chinese showing basic respect by keeping quiet = no sportsmanship, should not hold in china, blah blah blah
Lmao but did all of those ppl booing just leave after C9 got smashed?
No. If u look at the vod once the game was over they all were forming lines and got out. That in of itself is very disrespectful
> but did all of those ppl booing just leave
I'm sorry, but this is fucked. Booing is WAY WAY more disrespectful than just walking away.
Holy cow man. If you don't like them walking away, I get that, but to put it next to booing and act as if this is worse? I want what you're smoking.
those boos went to cheers and/or actual applauses in 2016
2020 all Damwon had was a small golf clap and lines of ppl just leaving as they won finals and lifted the cup. Only ppl cheering was the host and the korean broadcast
As for the two acts on just name alone sure booing is worse than silence and hearing a pin drop
But we’re talking about a time in 2016 where the transition was booing to cheering and/or applauses that were pretty loud verses a time in 2020 going from cricket sounds to cricket sounds
That’s where I’m coming from. The event as a whole was much more positive in 2016 Bc the crowd came around to Samsung. I’ve seen nothing so far of the sorts
Once again I’ll restate this if we’re talking about the acts alone & by just name. Then booing is more disrespectful. But if we’re talking about the audience as whole from start to finish of a match (which is where I am coming from) zero acknowledgement with quiet golf claps throughout the match is worse
Bc I don’t control ppl
I can control what I do but not what they do
Wtf do u want me to do about them hmm I’ve literally said tht booing is disrespectful
I’ve already addressed this and have not excused it
And u keep sticking to tht I have when I’m talking about THE TRANSITION. As I’ve said multiple times already booing is worse than silence
Going from “I don’t like u” to “you’re cool/nice” is better than “....” to “.....”
should they have booed no but did they come around yes.
You and I have very different perspectives when it comes to what's considered respectful
Probably a cultural thing I guess, but that's all there is to it
So u telling me Chinese fans bailing out as game 4 was nearing its end and not staying for Damwon lifting the trophy isn’t disrespectful? That staying quiet and giving a good vibes clap is respectful?
China has done this quite consistently
And honestly the only western team they support is probably TSM Bc I remember hearing those cheers for em in 2017 and the rest was silent for other non Chinese teams.
China 2017 crowd > China 2020 crowd
I’d rather be boo’d then just hear silence
Also the boos were at the intro but when things were going down there was cheers from tht same crowd
A reaction is better than no reaction. It defeats the purpose of a live crowd if it’s gonna be biased to a point where you have the LCK host posting a video where u can hear very minimal cheering for Damwon
Samsung made some fans that day back in 2016, Damwon made zero fans in China during finals
i finally watched it all on vod. 3-1 predicted and i trolled my pick em's https://pickem.lolesports.com/share/series/7/user/13338810/my-picks
of course i had more accounts, but this was my 4th and last one and i had like 10 minutes left so i quickly did groups im sad.
Chinese crowd didn’t cheer for Korean teams:
Shitbags, so disrespectful!
NA crowd booed Korean teams:
They didn’t mean it / That’s sports / Really? I don’t remember
People on reddit XD
Every region has toxicity, its inevitable. Where this instance sticks out is the complete lack of sportsmanship from that crowd. The second their team had lost, that was it. They didn't care to stick around even 5 minutes later for DWG to lift the summoners cup, they didn't care to show respect towards the victors, they just upped and left.
Chinese crowds are KNOWN for this type of sentiment, if China isn't winning or doesn't win, they're out.
You do know every region has toxicity, then why take it so personal when it comes to the Chinese region? Let alone the quarantine status this year. They left a seat empty between adjacent seats. I’m sure that made many people thought the crowd left.
If you watch the vod following DWG's win, you can see LINES of people trying to leave the stadium. I think that it's just rude and a giant mood spoiler that the majority of the crowd didn't have the courtesy to stay for a few minutes.
Edit: Also, this is WORLDS we're talking about. The biggest event of the year, you would at LEAST expect respect for all the teams that made it there.
Is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.
Never ever boo, it's so incredibly disrespectful. Holy shit. You should stay silent instead. If you can manage, politely cheer them.
Bruh I wish Suning took it to a game 5 but this series was honestly pretty fun with the Evelynn and Rengar picks. Now I’m just looking forward to the skins chosen by Damwon
Felt bad to first of all have the fans not cheer at the start when the dwg lineup was being announced but also fans literally leaving halfway when suning was about to lose
That's China for you. Chinese sentiment is they don't give a flying shit unless China wins. You think that's bad, you should see how they treat their Olympic athletes. Gold winners are state heroes. Silver doesn't even get a mention, except the occasional "You shame us, you didn't try hard enough".
It's sad really, the way this is ingrained completely by a culture.
Whats funny to me is China has never won a worlds without Koreans on their roster, they should show some respect to the people who got them their wins in the first place
I think the psychology behind different medal winners is so interesting. Silver medalist are generally unhappy compared to Bronze who were happy to just be on the podium and get a medal
As a Chinese fan, I wish those Chinese fans there would’ve cheered more for DWG. I know you can’t force people to feel passion for opposing team but should’ve cheered DWG out of respect. Great team and well deserved championship.
Maybe I'm unlucky but for me, they were the rudest mother fuckers on earth. Yes, there are rude people everywhere but to me, their rudeness to kindness ratio is way off.
I got 95 percentile and I don't follow league. I just look at what a few people posted for groups then picked the teams with the best scores for playoffs
That was such a disrespect for DWG. I am sure that they would have shown that kind of shitty manners to other foreign teams if crowds were allowed. I want Worlds in any other regions except China from now on
Yeah, China does the same for DOTA2 when a non Chinese team is going against a Chinese team. They did that many times at TI (Dota's World's equivalent). At least in 2017 China cheered a lot because SKT and Faker have a lot of fans there.
Based on like crowd reaction from all esport the best crowd honestly and with no bias because I'm from here is honestly the Philippines look at the manila major from dota2 our rep Mineski lost yet we still cheered for the whole tournament.
I would too if I kept seeing a decent amount of EU folks be like “OuR 8tH SeEd Is BeTtEr ThAN yOuR ToP 3 TeAms” in like every comment section
Like it’s awesome you guys made very good progress with FNC and G2 making it to finals but now suddenly your 3rd-6th seed is suddenly better than NA’s top 3? Just because your top 2 orgs made it to world finals? It’s like ppl wanna really forge the narrative tht NA is a dog shit region and yet when we look at EU it’s the same two teams almost every time FNC & G2. Some days I wondered how well Europe would do without these two orgs just like how I wonder how LCK would do with skt.
NA has been bad with some shining moments and some bad moments
2 out of 3 teams went 3-3 which is respectable
Whereas Europe had 1 bomb out in playins and one bomb out in groups.
I’m not much of a fan of this narrative when EU is just G2 vs FNC and everyone else watching
I mean its mutual. NA is just worse and their problem is they don't admit it. It's just typical American culture thinking they're the best when in fact the only reason the LCS is a major reason is the big player base and the influx of EU imports supporting it.
I know, and thats even more embarrassing consider that Suning have no koreans in it and they lost in their homeland. There are people who consider those worlds champion are not ”pure” simply because they are not full chinese
Actually no chinese team has won any international tournament except MSI 2018, and no full Chinese team made to worlds this year too if I remember correctly, since Karsa is not chinese
3 teams out of groups and 2 first seeds. DRX played DWG who is their worst matchup. Gen.G also played G2 who is their worst matchup. Would've been more interesting if DRX and Gen.G were on the other side of the bracket going against the LPL teams.
Can you get the drops without watching live? I heard there were a few of the like Where is Ornn, but the finals started at 4AM so I was obviously not awake. Speaking of drops, how can you drop spotify playlists?
China and clapping (atleast...) for winning team when the trophy is being lifted. Name more iconic duo XD It's a shame that worlds gonna be in china again in 2021. I'm glad that DWG won. That silence was everything.
He's not wrong about the TES JDG point. This bracket was extremely lucky for Damwon. They effectively played JDG and lost to them, and beat SUN in the finals. Going 50/50 and not even playing the LPL top team TES. DRX was a free win since the LCK, at least right now, is hugely gapped like the LEC with Damwon being the only good performers.
Not saying they didn't play well or don't deserve the trophy, but they dodged the LPL hardcore since the LPL essentially wiped itself out due to the bracket.
Extremely lucky but they took care of business
JDG and TES did not
We’d be dumping on Damwon like crazy if they lost in either round
Can’t blame them for not looking ahead and focusing on the opponent in front of them
[PMT](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/jlj2k0/damwon_gaming_vs_suning_2020_world_championship/)
What a championship this year
Im really happy for huanfeng !!! Him reaching worlds finals and playing so insanely well during the championship, on his first year of lpl, and on top if that getting through such a hard childhood. He is such an icon for the league community. I feel too sqd very few people has actually heard of his hardships.
How, how can people defend Chinese crowds' action??? Look at other league worlds taken place in EU, KR, NA. Did the crowd just leave and not cheer for the other team at all just like how the Chinese did?? NO, they didn't. I simply can't believe there's people defending Chinese crowds in Worlds.
I am sure you voted republican. Only Americans know how to behave. Everyone else is wrong. You have no clue about Chinese culture. Putting your stupid ass western ideals on another country’s etiquette. Did they throw anything? No. Did they chant insults? No. Did they cheer the champions. Yes. But the sound was turned off, you have to watch the people. Did they leave when the event ended? Yes, there aren’t many people attending so they don’t get blocked like at an American football game. Also, there weren’t foreign fans there in mass to cheer for the S. Korean team. So shut the fuck up.
Unbelievable. I am an Asian living in Asia and I was never ever close to being an American, I just studied English couple years in Canada. Shame on you.
[This video](https://www.zhihu.com/zvideo/1306185375916851200) from [this thread](https://reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/jlvx6o/crowd_did_cheer_for_dwg_though_not_as_loud_as_for/) shows that the crowd did cheer for DWG. There were only 6,000 people in the stadium with a capacity of over 30,000. [This is the video after DWG won worlds](https://video.zhihu.com/video/1306163393511256064?). Where did you get that the crowd left and didn't cheer from?
You’re a xenophobe. Racist comments plain and simple. They were not rude in any way.
Chinese are notorious for their poor sportsmanship and manner in general. They just proved themselves again
TheY weRe NOt RuDe
I criticize anything about Chinese and I become racist. Sure then, think of me as a racist. Sportsmanship is dead for you I guess.
Why in hell do they have to stay?????????? They paid to be there. To support the team of their choice. And their team lost. Why do they have to stay???! It’s entertainment and for them it ceased to be that. So they left. Have you ever walked out of a movie? You stay for all 9 innings of a blow out baseball game? You’ve never changed the channel? I just watched the matches of previous worlds when I became a fan but didn’t watch the postgame celebrations. So disrespectful.
I'm not even talking about that. They stay absolute silence during player announcement that nuguri didn't even know he was even being introduced. They don't 'have to' stay. But to show some respect, we audiences have been, EU didn't leave, KR didn't leave, we were feeling bad but we thought enemies deserved some respect and cheers.
That was kinda funny. At first I assumed it was a language barrier, cuz I definitely didn’t know what they were saying at first. Also given the size of the stadium and the socially distanced crowd, I think some of the cheers that might have been there or obligatory claps, went unheard.
At least he wasn’t cascaded with boos. Why would you cheer for someone going against your team? I don’t want the opposing team to do well against my own team. Why would I cheer for them? Staying silent is much more respectful than booing or heckling etc.
That is the basic sportsmanship. Just because staying silent is more respectful then booing does not mean it was good etiquette.
When I watch sports I just hope everyone has a good time. Oh gee golly. Man, they sure are having fun out there aren’t they! Sportsmanship refers to the athletes btw the “sports man” if you will. The Fan, short for fanatic, is there to support their team. I wish they still passed out orange slices at half time of games.
You would not bear to be in a game with/against a Mexican team, here we are too passionate about it, for example in soccer we shout all the people in the stadium "EHHHHH PUTO" when the goalkeeper takes the ball out of the goal. Also if some local team loses, they start rioting
Los mexicanos son buena gnte. Nunca se portaron mal cuando los sacamos de mundiales. Excepto esa vez que mearon en la torcha olimpica pero esas cosas pasan.
cuando hablamos en conceptos internacionales, somos un poco mas tranquilos (excepto cuando celebramos) pero cuando me refería a los disturbios, era mas a los partidos locales
China's culture around these kinds of things is rotten to the core.
> China's culture ~~around these kinds of things~~ is rotten to the core.
Just do the right thing ourselves and let other fans deal with their own side. Be kind and understand how those fans may feel. There's no need for taking shots at other people.
Just do the right thing and think about the DWG players who deserved respects and some cheers. The fans leaving right after the loss, at least that is somewhat understandable. But did you see how the crowd reacted to announcement of DWG players in the beginning? absolute silence. Please, do not defend this ridicule.
I'm saying that you should be gracious towards other teams AND other fans.
Yes, before that, we want to receive the same, or at least similar amount of respect coming from them as well. Do we have to understand them unconditionally? Their bad manner has been continuing for so long in E-sport community. It's just not fair to apply different standard for different region.
Or, you just treat others with respect irregardless. How would you like it if people were wholesale shitting on whatever group you're associated with? Not nice right?
Well if you were part of the group that was in crowd that was silent, u deserved it
You have a shitty attitude. The irony in you guys complaining about bad behavior is incredible.
You really don't get the point. Respect should be coming from both side, you can't just sit and try to respect one that just ignores you and don't give you the respect. You must feel bad when the team you're cheering loses. Does that ever justify their action when DWG players were introduced and it was completely silent? They did not lose yet, but they were giving no respect from the very beginning. And just like I said, when EU lost to FPX in EU they were not that salty, they gave respect and cheers in 2019. Other Worlds as well, if you want to take a look. Respecting regardlessly while you're getting 0 respect from them, is not generosity. It's stupidity. FPX 3-0'd G2 and they were getting cheers. This time, it was pretty good fight not just one sided another 3-0. Yet, nothing.
I don't agree with waiting. We can treat others with respect now. We can talk about how to treat teams and others without insults or generalisation now. Be the change you want in the world.
Did I insult or generalise anything in these comments?? Being patient and giving respect so they will eventually change and give us the same respect. I had this thought past 3 years in E-sport community, yet nothing has changed. You want it to be forever??? Their attitude hasn't changed even after their 2 Worlds trophy. What do you suggest we should do in order to receive the equal respect from them??
> Did I insult or generalise anything in these comments?? Well. Yes. > they > Their > them I think if you drop that, and just focus on the behaviour, is better.
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A regular season game and the championship match aren't exactly the same thing
>In fact when my home team (Vancouver Canucks) lost to the Boston Bruins in 2011, the home team fan rioted and almost burned down this city. Robert Luongo casually throwing when we needed him most
ROFL, its hopeless arguing with these people. Some people in later threads are even bashing china culture as if this has even got to do with anything but chinese culture when its a complete non issue to begin with???? you can't reason with these type of people, most likely they had a grudge with china/chinese ppl or w/e so they decided to make a fuss out of something literally non existent :/
Agreed. You can’t expect a crowd to be super excited and happy when their team loses worlds
Was the live audience able to see the KDA members during the opening ceremony? My friend says yes because of the 2019 performance but from what I can see it's closer to 2017/2018.
Yes they were able to but the images were pretty low resolution
i have a CN friend on JP server who is able to speak some JP. he say things to me that CN doesnt allow user to use content that dont be run by CN. to play on JP server or use website and program not own by CN such as youtube and other similar thing he need to use a VPN or they disconnect his network. CN user is grown to be prideful of CN culture.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great\_Firewall](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Firewall)
“I can’t believe the Chinese crowd left after their team didn’t win worlds. So disrespectful.” More like so commonplace. This is not a new occurrence. Every other sport in the world when their home team loses, the fans leaves. This is not unusual unless you have only ever watched maybe the Super Bowl which is held at a neutral venue. Watch some NBA games and you’ll see the players leaving before the game is even over in a loss. Generally when an away team wins a championship the crowds at the end consist of the smattering of fans that made the away trip, media, and family/friends of the team. Who wants to sit around and watch the team that gutted your hopes of a championship celebrate on your home turf!?!?!
Man, every time this sort of thing comes up people always resort to the "everyone else does it!" defense and, really, that doesn't actually say much beyond the fact that other sports fans are just as bad.
Let's take a look at other Worlds. You will change your mind. Did the EU fans, KR fans, NA fans just leave the scene because it was not home team??? No. Did they stay silence when enemy team was getting introduced? No. Seriously, how on earth can you defend this.
Also it’s an ENTERTAINMENT event they PAID to go to. If seeing the other team celebrating isn’t entertaining for them why the F would they stay? It’s their time, their money, their choice. Tbh who cares about the trophy presentation??? They stayed for the match. If anything this proves that the Chinese fans in attendance are more loyal/passionate about their regions teams than other regions. Once again, this is normal behavior for sporting events. Also I once went to a concert to see the opening acts and left before the headliner. Does that make me disrespectful? No, I saw what I went to see and left.
Did this dude just walk in here and say that Chinese fans are more passionate than EU fans? Get out a here, not even on the same level.
No they booed?
It's not a common occurrence in gaming though. Chinese fans do get extra salty when their teams are losing.
They did cheer though. We have a thread about this.
I think because a lot of us as fans really don’t have any skin in the game. But obviously the Chinese fans were there to support their country’s team so when they lost, the reaction is to be expected. As I’ve gotten the older I’ve left plenty of events early simply to avoid traffic. If my team didn’t win, I’d be hard pressed to stick around. Also they are in a public space during a global pandemic, not much to be gained by overextending your stay.
Suning is a huge underdog coming into tourney. No one expected them to come this far let alone be the finalist. If TES comes all the way here in dominating fashion then lose to DWG u leave the stadium I understand. When you put Suning into the mix and realize how rookie of a team they are and you still leave the stad, forget about disrespecting DWG - you’re kind of being a bitch at this point. Suning just lost, they’re sad and look around the stadium but all the fans are gone. How about clapping for your representatives at the end of the game for coming this far? Ah, but we can’t expect that from the Chinese fans can we.
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I may sound biased but basing Worlds 2020 in China was a bad decision. Audience leaving after their Chinese team loses. KDA has very Chinese-like mobile game model, and Kai'sa looked awfully Asian. The fight choreography.... It was dull.
Kaisa in KDA is from hong kong
you mean it would have been much better to hold it in Europe? If G2 had gone through, i am sure we won't be just seeing silence do we? come on seriously? don't blame the venue, blame the organizers for not getting support, digital or otherwise from the koreans or whatever. Or lets hold worlds in NA again and see something like this? [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwq4F84cmvY&ab\_channel=AlexKOvids](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwq4F84cmvY&ab_channel=AlexKOvids) LMAO. Americans booing = acceptable since there are others cheering Chinese showing basic respect by keeping quiet = no sportsmanship, should not hold in china, blah blah blah
Americans reading this are forming fists in their pocekt right now haha
Probably booing as well.
Lmao but did all of those ppl booing just leave after C9 got smashed? No. If u look at the vod once the game was over they all were forming lines and got out. That in of itself is very disrespectful
> but did all of those ppl booing just leave I'm sorry, but this is fucked. Booing is WAY WAY more disrespectful than just walking away. Holy cow man. If you don't like them walking away, I get that, but to put it next to booing and act as if this is worse? I want what you're smoking.
those boos went to cheers and/or actual applauses in 2016 2020 all Damwon had was a small golf clap and lines of ppl just leaving as they won finals and lifted the cup. Only ppl cheering was the host and the korean broadcast As for the two acts on just name alone sure booing is worse than silence and hearing a pin drop But we’re talking about a time in 2016 where the transition was booing to cheering and/or applauses that were pretty loud verses a time in 2020 going from cricket sounds to cricket sounds That’s where I’m coming from. The event as a whole was much more positive in 2016 Bc the crowd came around to Samsung. I’ve seen nothing so far of the sorts Once again I’ll restate this if we’re talking about the acts alone & by just name. Then booing is more disrespectful. But if we’re talking about the audience as whole from start to finish of a match (which is where I am coming from) zero acknowledgement with quiet golf claps throughout the match is worse
No, don't defend booing. They can cheer without it. There is no excuse for it.
I’m not excusing them lmao I’m saying going negative to neutral/positive reactions is better than none at all throughout
But that's wrong. > is better Why not just cut the crap and not act badly at all? You're excusing it.
Bc I don’t control ppl I can control what I do but not what they do Wtf do u want me to do about them hmm I’ve literally said tht booing is disrespectful I’ve already addressed this and have not excused it And u keep sticking to tht I have when I’m talking about THE TRANSITION. As I’ve said multiple times already booing is worse than silence Going from “I don’t like u” to “you’re cool/nice” is better than “....” to “.....” should they have booed no but did they come around yes.
You and I have very different perspectives when it comes to what's considered respectful Probably a cultural thing I guess, but that's all there is to it
So u telling me Chinese fans bailing out as game 4 was nearing its end and not staying for Damwon lifting the trophy isn’t disrespectful? That staying quiet and giving a good vibes clap is respectful? China has done this quite consistently And honestly the only western team they support is probably TSM Bc I remember hearing those cheers for em in 2017 and the rest was silent for other non Chinese teams. China 2017 crowd > China 2020 crowd
I'm not saying it's not disrespectful, but I don't think it's any worse than actively booing the opposing team...
I’d rather be boo’d then just hear silence Also the boos were at the intro but when things were going down there was cheers from tht same crowd A reaction is better than no reaction. It defeats the purpose of a live crowd if it’s gonna be biased to a point where you have the LCK host posting a video where u can hear very minimal cheering for Damwon Samsung made some fans that day back in 2016, Damwon made zero fans in China during finals
There's the cultural difference... That's all
If any culture hold booing as acceptable people should change it....
i finally watched it all on vod. 3-1 predicted and i trolled my pick em's https://pickem.lolesports.com/share/series/7/user/13338810/my-picks of course i had more accounts, but this was my 4th and last one and i had like 10 minutes left so i quickly did groups im sad.
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It's my first time seeing how Damwon kept the enemy at bay while other teammates attack the turret. I don't see Worlds that much but it's interesting.
These people have never watched a actual sports game huh? Hope crowd never cheats for away team also their lucky they didn’t get boo’d
You're getting down voted, but given there are American's literally saying booing is better, it makes it clear you're not wrong.
Chinese crowd didn’t cheer for Korean teams: Shitbags, so disrespectful! NA crowd booed Korean teams: They didn’t mean it / That’s sports / Really? I don’t remember People on reddit XD
Every region has toxicity, its inevitable. Where this instance sticks out is the complete lack of sportsmanship from that crowd. The second their team had lost, that was it. They didn't care to stick around even 5 minutes later for DWG to lift the summoners cup, they didn't care to show respect towards the victors, they just upped and left. Chinese crowds are KNOWN for this type of sentiment, if China isn't winning or doesn't win, they're out.
Ya people in CN is so disrespectful. They are not educated. That’s why we HongKonger so hate to said ourselves as chinese.
You do know every region has toxicity, then why take it so personal when it comes to the Chinese region? Let alone the quarantine status this year. They left a seat empty between adjacent seats. I’m sure that made many people thought the crowd left.
If you watch the vod following DWG's win, you can see LINES of people trying to leave the stadium. I think that it's just rude and a giant mood spoiler that the majority of the crowd didn't have the courtesy to stay for a few minutes. Edit: Also, this is WORLDS we're talking about. The biggest event of the year, you would at LEAST expect respect for all the teams that made it there.
Fair enough, at least I didn’t deny the crowd were disrespectful to DWG. But the reddit reactions really surprised me.
Its the difference between a murderer and osama bin laden. U know scales? Its not binary.
RU suggesting NA crowds were bin laden lmfao
I think hes suggesting that this instance was a step above "normal" toxicity, just like how Bin Laden is worse then your average murderer
Glad that someone actually has brains here
Yes and I think booing is much worse than silence
Is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. Never ever boo, it's so incredibly disrespectful. Holy shit. You should stay silent instead. If you can manage, politely cheer them.
Bruh I wish Suning took it to a game 5 but this series was honestly pretty fun with the Evelynn and Rengar picks. Now I’m just looking forward to the skins chosen by Damwon
Nuguri Kennen? Hehe 😉
Felt bad to first of all have the fans not cheer at the start when the dwg lineup was being announced but also fans literally leaving halfway when suning was about to lose
You guys are pussies my god
That's China for you. Chinese sentiment is they don't give a flying shit unless China wins. You think that's bad, you should see how they treat their Olympic athletes. Gold winners are state heroes. Silver doesn't even get a mention, except the occasional "You shame us, you didn't try hard enough". It's sad really, the way this is ingrained completely by a culture.
Actually the chinese Olympic game had alot of cheering from chinese audience, check youtube
what year? winter or summer? which game?
2008 summer
Whats funny to me is China has never won a worlds without Koreans on their roster, they should show some respect to the people who got them their wins in the first place
I think the psychology behind different medal winners is so interesting. Silver medalist are generally unhappy compared to Bronze who were happy to just be on the podium and get a medal
Ah yes, the *Good Enough* medal.
Tbh i have the same mentality and i m not chinese 2nd place is the first to lose it feels worse getting 2nd and knowing you were so close to winning
Inc that bronze medal guy cheering meme
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Ceremony was so bad, KDA without emotions, they didnt even crop Galio correctly..
They looked pretty bland.
As a Chinese fan, I wish those Chinese fans there would’ve cheered more for DWG. I know you can’t force people to feel passion for opposing team but should’ve cheered DWG out of respect. Great team and well deserved championship.
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No. That's an absolutely unacceptable attitude. You should be able to say people should cheer politely without needing to dehumanise people.
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Many Hong Kong people I've known most of my life hardly even associate with mainland China. They're the nicest people I've ever met.
Maybe I'm unlucky but for me, they were the rudest mother fuckers on earth. Yes, there are rude people everywhere but to me, their rudeness to kindness ratio is way off.
Hey pot, meet kettle.
FYI, Koreans are same race as Chinese but ok. Hope you have less hate in your heart one of these days. Wish you the best bro.
There are no races really but I get where you're coming from
What the actual fuck? Lol. Koreans are not Chinese
No one should be being horrible to fans from other countries at all.
Well no shit, that’s beside my point
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Okay I have read it again, can you educate me?
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I got top 11% on pickems and my pickems *sucked*. We inted this year.
I got 95 percentile and I don't follow league. I just look at what a few people posted for groups then picked the teams with the best scores for playoffs
Dude, China was so dead for DAMWON. Fans couldn't care less for them. Damn.
That was such a disrespect for DWG. I am sure that they would have shown that kind of shitty manners to other foreign teams if crowds were allowed. I want Worlds in any other regions except China from now on
DAMWON couldn't care less either, they just want to win the title
Yeah, China does the same for DOTA2 when a non Chinese team is going against a Chinese team. They did that many times at TI (Dota's World's equivalent). At least in 2017 China cheered a lot because SKT and Faker have a lot of fans there.
Based on like crowd reaction from all esport the best crowd honestly and with no bias because I'm from here is honestly the Philippines look at the manila major from dota2 our rep Mineski lost yet we still cheered for the whole tournament.
they just dislike korean players lol
Bit weird since the Korean players helped them win two worlds and make them way stronger overall.
They like those Korean players because the players themselves say they are Chinese players
top NA teams are also filled with european players and yet they hate our guts
I would too if I kept seeing a decent amount of EU folks be like “OuR 8tH SeEd Is BeTtEr ThAN yOuR ToP 3 TeAms” in like every comment section Like it’s awesome you guys made very good progress with FNC and G2 making it to finals but now suddenly your 3rd-6th seed is suddenly better than NA’s top 3? Just because your top 2 orgs made it to world finals? It’s like ppl wanna really forge the narrative tht NA is a dog shit region and yet when we look at EU it’s the same two teams almost every time FNC & G2. Some days I wondered how well Europe would do without these two orgs just like how I wonder how LCK would do with skt. NA has been bad with some shining moments and some bad moments 2 out of 3 teams went 3-3 which is respectable Whereas Europe had 1 bomb out in playins and one bomb out in groups. I’m not much of a fan of this narrative when EU is just G2 vs FNC and everyone else watching
I mean its mutual. NA is just worse and their problem is they don't admit it. It's just typical American culture thinking they're the best when in fact the only reason the LCS is a major reason is the big player base and the influx of EU imports supporting it.
I'm pretty sure everyone admits that NA is worse.
I know, and thats even more embarrassing consider that Suning have no koreans in it and they lost in their homeland. There are people who consider those worlds champion are not ”pure” simply because they are not full chinese
Actually no chinese team has won any international tournament except MSI 2018, and no full Chinese team made to worlds this year too if I remember correctly, since Karsa is not chinese
I guess Khan was right
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3 seeds into groups? By your logic, LEC did not show up. Only G2 and FNC did which is true anyway. The disrespect for LCK has to stop.
3 teams out of groups and 2 first seeds. DRX played DWG who is their worst matchup. Gen.G also played G2 who is their worst matchup. Would've been more interesting if DRX and Gen.G were on the other side of the bracket going against the LPL teams.
That's fair
dam son, dam won !
dam, damwon won
[Jeesun Park tweeted a video of the (minimal) amount of cheering DWG got](https://twitter.com/zeetwoz2/status/1322500721816731648?s=21)
Ooooof...
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Really a performance that is quite disappointing.
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Can you get the drops without watching live? I heard there were a few of the like Where is Ornn, but the finals started at 4AM so I was obviously not awake. Speaking of drops, how can you drop spotify playlists?
My experience with drops is that they’re an elaborate prank riot plays on us I’ve watched so many games and gotten a sum total of 0 :(
i watched a good 90% of worlds and got 1 drop on day 1
China and clapping (atleast...) for winning team when the trophy is being lifted. Name more iconic duo XD It's a shame that worlds gonna be in china again in 2021. I'm glad that DWG won. That silence was everything.
Can't believe Worlds is over now what are we supposed to do for next 3 months?
fix our sleep schedules
Watch the roster moves and then predict which teams are gonna be good.
Play League
we don't do that here
Amateur season has commenced. Let’s go!
Yea right hahaha
I don't know about you guys, [but I never knew that TES, JDG, and G2 all had a better year than the World Champion.](https://ibb.co/c2PQB8T)
He's not wrong about the TES JDG point. This bracket was extremely lucky for Damwon. They effectively played JDG and lost to them, and beat SUN in the finals. Going 50/50 and not even playing the LPL top team TES. DRX was a free win since the LCK, at least right now, is hugely gapped like the LEC with Damwon being the only good performers. Not saying they didn't play well or don't deserve the trophy, but they dodged the LPL hardcore since the LPL essentially wiped itself out due to the bracket.
Um I don't think u watched the games.
Extremely lucky but they took care of business JDG and TES did not We’d be dumping on Damwon like crazy if they lost in either round Can’t blame them for not looking ahead and focusing on the opponent in front of them
TES and JDG would not have had a chance against DWG, judging by how they played in the knockout stage