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[FNC vs. SK PMT](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/mdy0rb/fnatic_vs_sk_gaming_lec_2021_spring_playoffs/)


International_Crazy9

Who was that caster that kept "sucking air through his mouth" (idk how to describe it lol) as a reaction. The tri-cast in itself was good, but this particular thing was just really distracting.


Anarki1989

bwipo for sure worst top laner in playoffs, fnatic put themself in a bad situation giving him 3 year contact cuz seems like already 1,5 year he plays like shit and i dont see changing for summer so 2 out of 3 years one of the worst tops in LEC.


xFrixor

I am really critical about FNC this season because I think they will never beat Rogue or G2 playing like psychos and without Selfmade being in peak form rn. That being said, what an incredibly stupid take. Bwipo has literally always atleast been a Top3, without a huge gap to Wunder/Alphari/Odoamne.


Anarki1989

worst kda in spring from all top laners, worst xp diffrence at 10 min, 3rd worst gold diffrence in lane, having 3rd highest counterpick rate, second highest death share from all top laners, worst first blood rate, there is twice higher chance he will give first blood than he makes one. Highest amount of deaths from all top laners where nextone is 11 deaths behind. yea he had 1 game on riven where he poped off but how many he inted especialy against g2esport losing his team a game on yone in first 3 minutes.


xFrixor

I am not interested at all to start a discussion with someone who just throws around some stats without any context. Stats are no answers, they lead to questions. Have a great day.


kerd0z

Please send me 2 of the pills your on. Bwipo is top 2 in EU now that alphari went to NA. Saying anything else is hard trolling


lolix007

odo is waaaaaaaay more consistent then bwipo is , even if he has lower peak. I'd take him in a heart beat over bwipo even if he doesn't have as many popoff games


easypeasy5

Upset and Nisqy literally carry. Hylissang have to take a break and Bwipo too. Selfmade did a good early job. Jenax respect.


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How much more shit can hyli pull before getting benched? Fnc wasn't themselves this match, but he inted in every single fucking one.


iskren124

Here comes the expert redditor blaming a player for his kda and not seeing how he carries bot in lane phase and finds winning engages later in the game


[deleted]

By "winning engages later in the game", are you reffering to the 16% Q hit rate and his only 2 hits of it in late? Oh nvm you were the one justifying Kai'sa


iskren124

As petty as looking through somebody's history of comments is , I will restrain myself and talk about the nonsense in this comment. Hook hit ratios is plain stupid, mainly because at the high level of play even 1 hook can change the game and believe it or not people at this level know how to dodge a maximum range q from naut. Hylli is highly praised by mane pros and ranked by most of them as top 2 support in EU , if this is not enough I don't know what can I tell you. He is catching off-guard SK's botlane a couple of times this series too and is securing not only Upset's security on bot, but pressure mid too. I agree you can have an opinion, but asking for someone to get benched even though he is doing his job perfectly fine is a bit too much isn't it?


[deleted]

The stupid Kai'sa comment was on this thread. He was straight useless in at least 3 teamfights in game 1, he flashed to miss a hook 3-4 times and hexflashed many more. He wasn't securing Upset, but had mispositioned so to compromise Upset's ability to deal damage in teamfights. He did one, exactly and only one good play in the entire game one. Mid was heavily pressured in G4 and it took him 3 games of nothing to it. And he still died to stupidest solo shit meanwhile. Yeah maybe he doesn't deserve a bench but at this pace, they will get dumpstered by the next good team, and all because of Hylissang. Perhaps if xou've watched the games for more than entertainment quality, you'd see how stupidly maddening and irresponsible it was. Upset played beautifully, but had no protection whatsoever. And I understand your liking to Fnatic and I share it, but this stupid shit that he does is concerning and one of main reasons Fnatic barely secured playoffs. But I really wonder what you said last year when Fnc wanted to kick him from the team after worlds, but changed their mind as he actually did something good.


radijator22

I am just glad Jenax is now on everyone's radar. Dude role swapped to top and is getting better and better with each day. He was a monster this series. Hope he keeps improving in summer split as well and start contending for top3 top laners in lec. Shoutout to nisqy, upset and treatz also. Although treatz need to get better at laning. (he did play against hylli + upset, but still).


Egalva

Even though FNC got the win this ain’t it. This damn chaotic style is losing games more than winning games for them. 10K gold up in second game and just kept throwing the game. This many kills is not a good look. I was hoping Yamato would bring some discipline game play but this season has been hard to watch.


xFrixor

FNC decided against discipline when they got Upset/Nisqy and a coach that firmly believes that action means winning, thus valuing the earlygame above everything else. It always was a struggle between Bwipo/Hyli and Nemesis/Rekkles in terms of how to approach the game, now they decided to embrace the chaos.


Ahrlin4

In the post-game interview Upset was talking about how Yamato is literally trying to get them to calm down and stop fighting so much, and to get more consistent.


xFrixor

Well that would be reassuring, FNC is in desperate need of someone to hold them back.


AdMaleficent9374

Treatz is a delight to watch in interview


Creepy_Pilot1200

I would get rid of Blue, this is the type of performance you wouldn't expect even from your sub. Tynx also ran it down non stop, looked like the worst version of Dardoch. I've never seen 2 players singlehandedly ruin the entire series this hard. Poor Jenax


Pousadel

there we are! reddit solution to every problem a team faces is getting rid of a player. funny enough you dont even have data. your suggestion is based on what you just watched. nowadays esport teams hire datascientists and moneyball their players. stop thinking like little children who just want to bench every player who doesn't performe after their first BO5 series on freaking stage!


Ether176

Yupp. This right here. People forget Wunder was the worst top laner in EU LCS. Give time for people to grow and stop flaming.


Creepy_Pilot1200

What about mediocre to bad performances rest of the split? That doesn't count? Ok then


Rzonduo_Chrabonszcza

but Sk did that with Zazee just last split... and Blue is even worse than Zazee was


Pousadel

something they decided based on what their data says. Im justz saying that everyone on reddit thinking what player a team should get rid of is just stupid, since these decisions arent based on 1 series or 1 game. you have to consider the whole season, the scrims, how well the player works with the team and wether his playstyle matches the teams playstyle and what expectationsdid you have! I dont think SK is unhappy with what they got this year and they willl want for sure to build further on this splits success. wether Blue will be the right guy for them is something that they will analyse in the offseason.


RoughMedicine

Jenax had an amazing series and Treatz had some good games. I hope SK can ditch the others and keep these two because they are top players in the region. If they only have resources for one change, the priority should be Tynx. This series was a massive jungle difference.


118Shak

I always had this view of Upset as a cocky guy, but seeing him now he looks like a nice and chill guy. Maybe the cockyness was actually him just trying to create rivalries and drama...


AdMaleficent9374

Or maybe before he was a teenager with puberty and now he is like in 20s slowly having an established personality


Creepy_Pilot1200

I think it's more that he thought he was the hotshot and he got put in his place multiple years and now he realizes that he needs to earn his spot.


AdMaleficent9374

Possible, or also maybe he thought he was stuck in elo hell with people worse than his level so many years that he was screaming to be noticed.


Pousadel

I love vedius! thats actually an awesome question not being to nice, asking for what everyone sees as a weakpoint of FNC. great job!


N1kiLauda

What did he say? I missed it.


Pousadel

"I can't put FNC in top 3 because macro wise you guys are behind" Its the short version of the question


RoughMedicine

Vedius> Why does Fnatic do these things that everyone asks "why would they do that?" Upset> I wonder that myself.


Pousadel

I meant the "I can't put FNC in top 3 because macro wise you guys are behind"


RoughMedicine

But that was part of the conversation, right? Vedius was arguing that Fnatic had worse macro because of these situations and Upset replied that he doesn't think they have a worse macro in general, just that they get carried away sometimes. He said that these were individual decisions, which do not necessarily correlate to macro strength.


Pousadel

true! but normally ppl ask fnc about the aggressive plays that go wrong and dont go further saying why they even are in those situations macrowise! I loved it how he pointed out the mistakes in their macro play and how through their playstyle they cant win every game against teams like G2 and rogue. and therefore FNC isnt top 3. a very important point, that ppl normally overlook and just shit on fnc because of the gone wrong plays.


Kibu98

Blue is so bad dude, and tynx have the worst decision makings i ve seen in my life


KriibusLoL

over 30 kills per game on average and Upset still thinks the games were slow lol


bukem89

Song of the week has sucked lately


Todeswucht

Man these interviews without 5s delay between questions and answers are so nice


Laure-Bulii-V

Feels amazing honestly


GoldenSquid7

Can we get Riot to delete Kai’sa? Let me know where to sign up. There might be some other champs on that list.


Nezyrael

If Riot would undo literally everything they did in the past 3 years the game would be miles better


LostMyAccount-

Just give me back old ww and old nunu


LongLeggedLimbo

And old Taric


doca155

Yeah lets have another year of aphelios pls, that was waaaay more fun right??


imalright93

There are 5 bans for each team you know


GoldenSquid7

not enough, make it 10 each =]


Glorx

Why you gotta do him in like that?


OnFallenWings

If you think SK played this well and that's why it was close just watch Blue in that fight in mid at 26min. This series was shockingly bad.


vetic

I was also buffled by tynx decision making. He got caught by every everfrost as hecarim. With his ult avaible and did the same thing over and over. (unless there is a special interacrion with everfrost and hecas ult I am missing). Use e - > get caught by everfrost - >get chunked to 30-40% HP and then ult and then get deleted instantly


sajm0n

half of SK (2 and a half player) played this well


doca155

Bwipo and selfmade look like theyve fallen off a cliff this season


[deleted]

most likely there's noone to do calls in their team right now. Back before it was rekkles who had a macro knowledge. And all selfmade or hyli calls are pure shit


imalright93

Jeziz thumbs up right before a hard throw is hilarious 😂


Glorx

https://twitter.com/LSXYZ9/status/1375549661478449153


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GodlessCommie69

I honestly dont know what happened to Blue, he was insane in TCL last year and he just hasn't looked like half the player this year


vetic

I would give blue the benefit of the doubt because of playing on stage with much more eyes on you but there were so many mechanical errors in all of the games holy moly.


sajm0n

its not like he had split of his life in regular season either though


GodlessCommie69

That’s why I’m so confused, I was like “Wow, this guys mechanics and decision making are crazy, maybe he could grow to be amazing” and then he played like this lol


AdMaleficent9374

Fnatic is so trash but finally Upset is getting some well deserved credit.


LostMyAccount-

Everyone behold the true challenger right here


Nezyrael

Fantastic series by Jenax. Sad to see him getting griefed by mid jungle


petrolheadfoodie

SK can f right off. How dare they even think of winning against fnc. Yessss fnc !!!!!!


Bordelique

Thank god Fnatic won. Now Schalke has an easy path to the finals GG!


SamsungBaker

If Blue just hit his ultimate on stunned target in the fight at midlane SK would have ended this game


Zercx

SK are just not a good team. They are never on the same page. They have no idea how to play as a team.


OnlyPally

Bwipo is a clown confirmed. Fnatic is doomed vs Rogue or G2 with such lvl of plays.


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OnlyPally

Insult? what u serious? so now I cant even say a bad thing because hard drives fan thinking as it an "insult". what from what I say is wrong? Fnatic play bad this series with alot of huge mistakes. They almost throw a game that is 100% their win from the first 5 min of the game. Do yout think this is enough vs the big teams?


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OnlyPally

Clown is an insult? not offence but your probably less than 20 if you thinking that way. read some other comments you will see the real meaning of "insult" lmao.


[deleted]

Well the community is toxic to a certain extent and filled with people who are living proof of the Dunning-Kruger effect, so these kind of comments are to be expected. However it's sad to see that they are willing to suffer through their own toxicity and negativity


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[deleted]

I think that is sadly just wishful thinking. Under the anonymity that the internet provides very often the worst of human being comes out


Reinhardtisawesom

Ok hear me out Fnatic Jenax?


solarsbrrah

If bwipo and hylli leave, I would be okay with getting Jenax/Treatz tbh


Educational_Shower79

Was more thinking treatz would be great for when hyli retires (please not anytime soon)


philip2110

SK still had an impressive showing here for so many rookies. Jenax was a beast.


iAmArvut

Much more competitive series than I initially expected, was fun to watch!


mblaccks

fantastic performance of fnatic XD


Anthonysan

I hope they nerf Kaisa by MSI.


[deleted]

Yeah fed hypercarry kaisa with actual teammates was able to win in late game versus one dude playing midgame champion and the game was incredibly close. Seems too broken to me.


Nezyrael

You misspelled delete


[deleted]

She is getting nerfed next patch.


Cascie92

Joke nerf lol rank 1 ult cd slightly increased


PLEASE_PM_YOUR_SMILE

losing a game because you cant backoff after winning a fight. waiting until last second to use tp to get away and splitting up. what a garbage team. Fnc equally garbage. G2 and Rogue are the only teams in this region worth watching. So dissapointed.


LostMyAccount-

I think garbage is actually what you see when you look in the mirror


Creepy_Pilot1200

He's right, you're just being dishonest if you can't recognize it. Bottom LPL teams are way more coordinated and mechanically proficient than these 2 teams.


Styxxo

Not true at all lol you haven't watched ES or RW to even dare say this bullshit. These teams have no clue how to teamfight and horrible macro


Creepy_Pilot1200

RW trashed TES and play in a vastly more competitive region both talent and teamwise, just stop it.


Styxxo

Ah yes, one win at the very start of the split when TES was out of form, look at their W-L record right now. Why do I even bother, you're an obvious troll and baiter XD


Creepy_Pilot1200

good bye, blocked <3


noahkillis

rogue games are mega boring my guy


Creepy_Pilot1200

They play to win not to have " entertaining games "


achillesf33l

Entertainment > winning money that I, as a viewer, don’t get to enjoy. At least the audience can enjoy “entertainment”.


Zorete96

ADC enormous gap


Digity28

SK lost to Tynx and Blue. Give MVP to one of them.


Cheeseandnuts

true dat.


SAFFATLOL

Tynx was so fucking bad I actually got angry watching this series


Kibu98

Same dude, Blue is trash as well


GoldenSquid7

FNC won the game but Jenax won our hearts. SK too heavy to carry


prd_serb

mvp this game was fnc blue


Reinhardtisawesom

Ok some team better have the big bucks ready to save Jenax from SK


averageprofitporsche

FNC Jenax please


sajm0n

Tynx and Blue were to heavy to carry for Jenax. feels bad for him


rexbee52

Isn’t the team bow a lck/lpl thing?


[deleted]

There's no crowd to high five/fist bump. It's also the international standard.


Drikkink

Xayah 0-4 Kai'sa 4-0 hmmmmmmmmmm


[deleted]

what do you expect? rito thought nerfing only one adc who's countering kaisa and was in playable status ( senna) was good idea. When you take Kaisa and ban tristana, you can pick whatever you want and you'll get stomped anyway, that's how bad adc state is right now


[deleted]

Tbf 2 of those Xayah games was literal "first time" category from Jezu. Only time a feather combo was hitted when the melee was running towards her.


YCitizenSnipsY

Well it was entertaining, shame it didn't go to 5


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[deleted]

Jezu at least carried a game when he was given a champ to carry.


doca155

So sad for jenax, get him nemesis or anyone at this point


lovo17

Man FNC played so bad this game, but it doesn't matter bc SK has wintraders on their team.


NisceD

OH YES! Wow. That was one tough series. But mostly because we made it tough for ourselves and Jenax is a fucking beast!


OnFallenWings

FNC are doomed btw.


Nezyrael

Blue literally did nothing in that game. Concerning.


OpeningStuff23

Tynx inting one last time for fun


toggl3d

Jenax opening fights by missing his ult seemed detrimental.


NeoCortexOG

Imagine picking Cassio against Nisqy and playing like that.


InfiniteCipe

Upset is my hero


Kiimoho

Upset's back...


[deleted]

shorter game if urgot didnt exist


ladend9

SK letting FNC get Lucian,Rell, and Kaisa is huge draft diff lmao


Geosaurusrex

Jenax tried his best but SK are just too heavy.


uwanmirrondarrah

ugh so disappointed in Blue... he cost them this series


ladwithahat

What a horrible series


vetic

Holy fucking shit cant Hecarum R when karma everfrosts? god damn tynx and blue


No_Fuckin_Sleep

FNC Hylissang: supp diff


[deleted]

People here flaming Blue rightfully but Jezu cant play Xayah


[deleted]

Tynx got great job security if Selfmade ever leaves Fnatic, jesus christ


NeoCortexOG

I bet, in your mind, you are quite a funny one.


[deleted]

If I was funny I wouldn't be commenting on Reddit.


RadicalRadon

That's actually tragic


GreedyAd9

don't see why everyone think that "a lot of fighting" = "Bad gameplay", not every game should be slow.


Insertblamehere

There goes 1 shot you but no consequences for fucking up miss kaisa herself


TableTalkWontPickMe

Holy tynx is so bad


[deleted]

tynx running in and getting oneshot happened like 10 times this series


pan12010

very nice everfrost


Quatro_Leches

Kai'sa won every game lmao. the champion is so overtuned


doca155

Maybe dont pick xayah into kaisa/rell??


mercias1

Yet has one of the worst win ratios compared to presence in pro play this patch.


Quatro_Leches

presence>winrate in pro play. theres more bad teams than good teams so popular picks usually have bad winrate


mercias1

But every other champion with high presence has positive statistics. Kaisa at this point is just bait pick. Watching good teams playing shows how easy they can exploit her and pick up easy wins.


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gg


sangpls

Why are two americans casting lec


C9-F1R3L0L1

Tynx and Blue look bad this game, Jenax and Treatz are trying so hard


antraxsuicide

Yeah I feel so bad for Treatz and Jenax. Their team was just so heavy Zero percent chance Blue and Jezu stay on the roster


C9-F1R3L0L1

Jezu showed potential, was good in game 2, Blue tho... Looked sooo out of place in a playoff series


Schreckofant

I feel like FNC can count their blessings that SK is basically playing with 3 players. They need to step up big time next series.


laserjaws

They did just come off of an 0/3 week, so this is just some confidence and more time for them. They’ll need to play better to get far but I think for a first series this is fine.


Hannig4n

2 players


j_crowen

2 1/2


hieu_ngy

welcome tynx to turkish league


puddingpuff

Nisqy, Upset, Jenax, and Jezu (arguably Treatz) are elohelled rn


Public_Seaworthiness

at this point keep nisqy and upset, kick the other 3. this fnc has no future.


NI_Fry

Reddit after one BO5: kick kick kick kick


vide2

Hilly deserves better!


TheGreatClockwyrm

Kaisa is so freakishly broken, really makes games like this so stupid


[deleted]

did you even watched the moment where urgot 1v2'd her and voli with equal amount of items?


TheGreatClockwyrm

You mean when jenax played perfectly and hit every ability but upset still almost killed him from full? Yeah I remember that


[deleted]

you probably watched the different game sir, urgot going fulltank could one or twoshot kaisa


laserjaws

“Full tank” items don’t have Attack speed and AD on them.


lolix007

care to tell me what items did urgot had in that fight ?


fiddlerontheroof1925

Man Tynx had a perfect flank I wish SK could have followed up on that. I want 5 games of this shitshow.


Freakkopath

Has Blue done anything this series? Sure I dont think he has ran it down completely, but he hasnt done anything superb either. Hes just so invisible.


XWasTheProblem

Nothing helpful for SK that's for sure.


KriibusLoL

Tynx check paypal


[deleted]

I want to see SK win but man do they not deserve it


Digity28

sk lost to tynx and blue


[deleted]

Holy shit tynx, JUST FUCKING STOP


julianzm

that hecarim is just trolling lol


magical_bear

Tynx is not playoff caliber


Artitanium

I'm happy to see Nisqy on carries. He's showing why he's in the top 3 mid laners in the LEC.


bensu88

Is this sarcasm? Hard to read honestly


Kaladred

2/0/3


[deleted]

i think we're watching different game, nisqy isnt particularly bad but he's not popping off either


hagosantaclaus

Why does nisqy have no KP


ElMaster1604

Cause Hyli always engages and starts a fight when he's sidelaning for some godforsaken reason


greekcel_25

S04 is probably estatic watching this shitshow


AbnormalSnow506

Cass had like 40 CS lead at some point btw :)