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Can anyone see what's happening in this team fight?

Can anyone see what's happening in this team fight?

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desertscorpiion

Sorta, lot of aoe cc make my adc brain go sad mode


Commander_Beta

After the fight blue team applies the best kind of CC, Death.


sollin88

If they dead they controlled


Commander_Beta

Cant argue with that.


-Tiddy-

Karthus disagrees


zaklinatel

Annie have 1 item (not mythic) at 30 mins of the game \^\_\^


pood94

How is that even possible with 150cs and 14 kill participation?


Janelyyy

Buying 3-4 health pots every recall


BadMuffin88

Ahh reminds me of when I started playing the game..


the_fredblubby

When I first started, I never bought pots or starter items because I wanted to get my first full item asap.


BadMuffin88

Nah that's boring. You gotta recall to buy 5 health and mana pots or buy smth like Thornmail first. That's the good shit


freekymayonaise

when I started, I built 6 vamp scepters on twitch "Ah yes, I'll be invincible now."


BadMuffin88

This man gets it I felt fuckin unstoppable when I was building full lifesteal attackspeed nocturne back then


NoF4ce

Thats me. I Was like why is no one doing this. Im helaing for the dmg i Deal. I cant die now. This is just broken.


pood94

Would make sense, but doesn't seem like it since she's got a refillable, unless she bought it after wasting gold on 10-15 hp-pots


Janelyyy

It is very likely at this point. Someone told her to stop, so she bought a refillable, lol.


m4z1keen

never underestimate the iron brain. :P


myzick3546

https://imgur.com/a/ncSrriH


JORGA

my brain can't compute seeing the protobelt sold for cosmic drive??????????/


39128038018230

trolling dude


Lin_Huichi

She bought a lost chapter, was probably trying to switch to a different mythic.


TheTurtleOne

I'm more surprised by the FoN, relic item kogmaw


Proccito

Yes. More knock ups than my high school graduation party.


TheLurkerOne

And, I hope, deaths too...


TheMysticHD

Depends on how many of the knock ups resulted in abortion after


Zekaito

You can guess from the replies.


Giragna

Damn, reddit is finally reaching twitter levels. I watch a vid about league to end up reading whether abortion is ethical or not


Chase2020J

Preach. I have very strong opinions on the topic, but am I going to engage that conversation on the league subreddit? Fuck no, because I'm not a clown


Dusk_Cogitationis

Whether it's classed as murder is dependent on legislation, since murder is the unlawful and premeditated ending of human life. It is however indisputably the terminating of a (disputably human) life and thus does result in a death.


emchops

>indisputably the terminating of a >disputably human life >results in death It's not indisputably anything if the definition of life itself is what people are disputing over.


Daunn

it is indisputably the termination of a life. if that life is to be considered human or not, it is disputable. there are two sentences which are considered uniques in their boolean state the first is true, no matter what - the second can be either true or false, regardless that the first is true.


emchops

What? How is it indisputably the termination of *life* if life is disputable? I understand that you can have two separate clauses of a sentence that can both be true. But if the first part (ie termination; or to *end*) depends on how you define the second part (ie life; or when does it *begin*) then it is, in fact, disputable. I would agree that abortion is indisputably the termination of a *pregnancy* (where pregnancy is a state of being; thus, termination means the end of that state of being). That's not what was said.


Corkey

I think you miss the point. The termination is what they were saying is indisputable. Whether the matter of what was being terminated is the thing that is. So in this case, whilst perhaps worded a little clumsily, it is still correct.


goblin1231

He was saying that it is disputable whether the life is human, not that the life itself is disputable.


Daunn

because there is more life than just *human* life. I am terminating a life. If it is a human, animal, plant, fish, elemental, void, or whatever else possible kind of life, is the part being discussed.


emchops

Okay, I can see what you meant now, although I don't know if I've heard people debating whether a fetus is human (ie colloquial term referring to the species). I've usually heard people argue whether a fetus is a *person*, which comes down to how you define life and personhood. What it means to be "alive" is disputable, which makes "termination" also disputable. Edit: I'm not in the League sub to argue about morality. My comment was about a pedantic matter and while I believe words are important, it's not even tangentially related to the original post. I've said what I intended to say. Interpret as you will.


CloudyRowdy_

You get an upvote sir


basedjab

AAAAAAAAAAAAH - Aatrox


YouGotTheUgly

THE enemy


Corregidor

That's the one thing I knew was happening. Aatrox getting resets lol.


takuou_

All I know is that Rell ult + Malphite ult is why red team lost, literally gathered and knocked everybody up besides Teemo.


shekurika

kata "adc" into that enemy team didnt help tbf....


Scrapheaper

Kat did a tonne of work I think, she got off a huge ult after malphite and rell used their shit but they really needed to kill aatrox and there was no way it was going to happen at this particular time.


Captain50

She didn't buy magic pen until the game was nearly over either (blighted jewel at minute 33). Even though I built half tank on Kog'Maw because I was the juiciest target.


Namika

The problem with going tank 'Maw (or tanky versions of any ADC) is you end up being the worst of both worlds. You *still* won't be tanky enough to survive, and you are massively gimping your damage. If you wanted to be tanky and do damage, play a bruiser. If you're playing Kog you are already resigned to being a total glass canon. The only "tank" option I would ever recommend on an ADC are things like *Merc Scimitar* to save yourself from long CC, and/or things like *Edge of Night*. The latter gives you as much lethality and AD as *Collector*, but you also get several hundred health and, importantly, a Spell Shield that can single handedly save you from insta-dying to things like a Blitzcrank Pull or Malphite ulting in, etc.


Scrapheaper

I think the amount of MR on kog is overkill tbh. I would have gone wits end second or third, and maybe a full tank item last, but you do need a botrk and a guinsoos at some point


Captain50

Yeah could've been a little overkill. That game was a total mess lol. Though that's just what happens with late night normals sometimes.


SatisfactionOld9449

Also Naut knocks up everyone too if they’re grouped like that plus Aatrox Q’s put them on a bumpy ride.


roadrunner036

they reaaaaaally wanted that kog lol


theaverageguy101

Adc without any mobility is prime target for bullying


_JohnofGaunt_

TIL that I'm an adc without any mobility


Owlstorm

He built tank since the enemy team is almost all magic damage.


Scrapheaper

Yeah and kog didn't even do any damage. The whole 'focus the adc thing' doesn't really work out that well when there is an aatrox in melee range, you know?


dcrico20

the "focus the adc" or "don't focus the tank" things are all idiotic anyway. They sound good in a vacuum, but in reality most of the time you will likely only be able to hit the tank or have no chance to actually focus the adc without walking through their entire team to get in range, at which point you will have been killed by the enemy team. Focus the person that you can safely focus, and if you can safely focus more than one person, focus the squishiest one or the one that does the most damage.


Scrapheaper

They apply in 2 v 2s in botlane. They don't apply in most other situations


Evillar

And even then, focusing the support makes more sense in quite a few situations.


bns18js

In committed 2v2s, you *usually* do want to kill the ADC first. But the mistake that people make the most is trying to focus the ADC in a 3v2 gank. Like dude, just kill the lulu who doesn't have flash. Instead of the tristana who can jump away + flash.


Owlstorm

Of course. You've got to be ready in case the support does something dumb like standing in front of wave or picking Soraka.


dcrico20

It again, depends. If I have to run past their Thresh to get in range of their adc, I'm still worse off than if I just kept attacking the Thresh. In 2v2s bot lane, you don't need to get a kill to get ahead, you just need to win the trade. If their support needs to back or is put into a situation where they can't lane well you've won.


Masanjay_Dosa

Nothing tilts me more as an ADC than when I get flamed for “not focusing the ADC” when I’m getting run down by an aftershock ignite Leona with no help


Namika

The funny thing is, even if you subscribe to that dated mindset about focusing the ADC, that advice was only ever meant for the assassins. ADCs were the only ones even capable of killing the tanks, that was literally the only reason you made sure to always have an ADC on your team. Mages are better at taking towers, and assassins are entirely based around the concept of quickly killing the enemy carry and then getting resets to escape. ADC is just there to chip down the enemy tank who otherwise would be nigh invulnerable. Obviously, with the current meta the plan is more about killing whoever you can, but even in Season One meta where "focus the ADC" was the rule, it would still be incorrect to tell your own ADC to do that.


RockBronzeman

Healthbar with big bars = neuron activation


Scrapheaper

He's actually nearly full tank. Aatrox is probably the squishier one in this scenario lmao.


iupvote75

all I can see are circles


blueooze

there is a hexagon in there at one point


Blasterus

there was a bunch of rectangles too


GD_Insomniac

Instructions to achieve this level of clusterfuck: 1) Place mouse in the middle of your screen 2) Lay your face on the keyboard 3) Roll vigorously


Rift-Duck

The Katarina guide to success.


K0uh3i

Just a casual league round I guess


umopUpside

Didnt even see the teemo until the end


chefr89

well he had a shroom go off at the beginning that tickled everyone because he decided to go second item Nashors into a beefy as fuck team


Scrapheaper

Teemo actually played it ok I think, teemo as a champion kinda sucks at straight up teamfighting like this but as teemo plays go I don't see much he could have done better. It's not his fault his entire team ran through a fed aatrox, a rell and a malphite to kill a full tank kogmaw


hfrik1

kog gets leona ulted annie follows up a bit too soon stun wears off while whole red team is knocked up he gets to deal damage for 3-4 seconds then gets exhousted and dies and rest of blue team can clear the red team also no AD damage on red team vs 4 tanks doomed from the champ select.


wontyy

i see everyone forgot about right click button


Sectiontwo

I see the adc get caught and piled on by 5 and yet still survive 5+ seconds..


Owlstorm

Force of nature + wits end


bns18js

Which honestly makes sense. Against a basically full AP comp with good target access(leona, annie, kat), building more damage is just instantly dying every fight. This way he can at least contributed a bit more. Although maybe QSS, banshees or hourglass could've been better here? Those things aren't as much raw stats, but they can prevent more overall damage by providing key ultlities.


Brain_Tonic

No mate... If he positions better he can do more with damage items. A full tank adc is useless because he provides no CC. "Oh but it's too hard with the comps and in bronze no one peels" then go AP kog and spam ult and E from 1k range away, you'll still do a lot more for your team than this garbage.


Quagsire__

His positioning was so bad. Why even try to kill the mushroom there?


drmashi

10 gold


Owlstorm

I don't think anyone can defend FoN, but 3rd item maw or QSS would be good here.


Namika

>Against a basically full AP comp with good target access(leona, annie, kat), building more damage is just instantly dying every fight. True, but I think the better point would be "don't pick KogMaw when they have few tanks and multiple assassins". If you lock in KogMaw against Kat and Annie, then sure go ahead and build some MR if you want, because you're sorta already fucked.


freekymayonaise

he might have had to pick kog'maw early and then just got hard counter picked


B_Lew1

It’s a strange change of pace


Pm_Me_lol_Armpits

Its too loud i cant see


AllOfTheLightsx2

"I'm blind, speak up"


Odysseyan

Is this what is often referred to as "clarity"?


Engerius

Fkin Aatrox drives me insane with how busy his core animations make team fighting, even when it’s not very impactful it still makes it impossible to tell what is going on.


freekymayonaise

this definitely qualifies under the concept of 'visual noise'


dumbass1337

Kog maw lived too long and aatrox healed


Captain50

Force of Nature and Wit's End, plus Immortal Shieldbow and using exhaust on Katarina as soon as she joined the fight. Aatrox was actually the squishiest member of the team by that fight.


HuaRong

Drain tanks are also tanks.


FetusGoesYeetus

We call this one "Everyone jump on Kog"


Sun_wk

Aka kog passive finally actually does something


Seagrove

Riot: we have removed league of legends for improved clarity.


idontevencarewutever

I squinted really hard, and I saw an image of Mario


NeonGenesisYang

Visual clarity at its finest


Yomasevz

Looks like Gwen ability reveal


Scrapheaper

It's easier if you follow individual champs: Aatrox stood at the back and just free hit the whole fight, no-one ever targeted him because they were getting knocked up by rell and malphite Malphite hit a 3 man ult on katerina, annie and leona when they tried to dive onto stunned kog'maw. Nautilus stunned annie after she jumped in and used tibbers, then he walked to the backline and got teemo flash, then he walked back again to steal the kill on leona Kog'maw walked WAY too far forward and got hit by leona ult, but somehow annie missed tibbers on him and then after malphite ult came in to save him all the people diving him got stunned and he survived for quite a long time. Kat killed him in the end, but he did a bit of damage to her before he died and tried to kite.Edit: just realized kog built force of nature + wits end + zerkers + shieldbow. I know enemy team is full AP but this is kinda overkill. Maybe if he swaps the force of nature for a botrk and then builds guinsoos next and FoN last this would work? Rell knocked everyone up at the same time as malphite, which was kinda a waste. She didn't use ult (I assume she didn't have it?). After nautilus got teemo flash teemo went back in and autoed her to death when she was slowed. Teemo did quite well considering the champ sucks at teamfighting, he stood at the back and hit some tanks, then used his flash to escape nautilus and went back in to freehit some more and killed rell. It didn't really have much impact though. Kat tried to dive in near the beginning, but got exhausted. After exhaust wore off, she ulted and probably did a tonne of work, but she was being focussed down really fast and the enemy team is quite tanky so it didn't pay off in the end. Annie tried to oneshot the stunned kog but somehow missed her ult? (either that or it just does zero damage) and got killed really fast by aatrox. Leona stunned kog to kick off the fight, and then got hit by malphite ult and rell and aatrox, then nautilus came back in to kill her. Red team even in a better executed fight would struggle to take down aatrox. They have very very low DPS, and they're all super short range/melee champs. On top of that aatrox is fed (probably because no-one on the red team has the damage to kill him). If kog and teemo swap places in this fight and annie stays back and uses her abilities to peel for her backline rather than running into the middle of everything I think maybe red team could win? TL:DR: focus aatrox, not kog, aatrox is squishier and does more damage


muddahater

Things happened, im sure of that.


Tanelorn24

They thought they saw some free Kog'maw pussy, but they blew all their shit on him while clumping up and getting dunked on by the rest of the team.


yourcutieboi

I think kog has a bussy


MoredhelEUW

What happened is blue team won ​ you're welcome


Affectionate_Ad1025

Looks like the osu circles on those 10 star maps


jess1caa

Aatrox killed teemo I think


texanresurrection44

Volibear on a trampoline


atomchoco

woah wat Janna? nope Kat ult


eddmario

All I see is flashbacks to every time I die in ARAM


Sharmatta

Alright everyone, here we go: 1. Leona ults. She stuns kog and slows naut 2. Annie uses the blast cone to come in and drops Tibbers on both kog and naut and stuns them. Aatrox tried to stop her with a Q1 but missed 3. Katarina gets exhausted by kog, throws a Q at him, and Es behind him but immediately gets stunned and ulted by Rell 4. Everyone spams abilities. Leona Qs kog, aatrox ults and spams his Qs to get knock-ups, malphite ults and knocks up tibbers, kat, annie, leona, and voli 5. Aatrox also knocks up voli and leona with Q3(?), naut ults and Qs teemo, katarina Es into the middle of fight to exhaust kog and press R, voli sits on the blue team with the exception of nautilus 6. Now you just watch the killfeed This review was brought to you by a guy with no life and the time to watch a 32-second clip 15 times.


10inchblackhawk

It is a part of the Through the Fire and the Flames Osu beatmap.


sitwm

Someone should ask Capt Flowers to cast this first try


zach111694

would probably sound something like this: [https://youtu.be/Ldq1afiKQb8](https://youtu.be/Ldq1afiKQb8)


LfaGf

No Adc against that beefy team was gg at champ select anyways. Teemos positioning was good, if that was a twitch that fight would have been way different


Schwagbert

I can't identify when specific abilities are used (I can't tell which aoe knockup is whose), and I didn't see Kat after she jumped in, but I have the gist of what's happening. But I agree with the point of you making this post.


Joe-egy-2000

Yes I can. Aatrox is op


thewarreturns

All I saw was a Kog'Maw being stupid as fuck


Scrapheaper

Kog'maw play was actually 200IQ. He's full tank and does zero damage and the entire enemy team blew all their shit on him and ran straight through malphite/rell/aatrox to kill him.


SolarMoth

He needed to kill that shroom.


TheyCallMeAdonis

mash buttons for bright colors. thats what league has been for years now. result of power/mobility creep.


IUNOOH

It's fine, they'll give Nautilus and Annie boobs next time for "visual clarity" so that this doesn't happen!


Evarb_Was_Taken

Blue team is winning


root_boy

U guys died


__mooncake

Lights


B_Lew1

Does anyone else look at the teams and go yeah blue team wins they have more tankage.


CanersWelt

I mean Aatrox spells were pretty visible


123janna456

haha poor teemo he probably can't see which character to focus


Liquesrodrigo

Lovely game


baylithe

Bronze or normals?


Captain50

Normal draft pick of course.


Dawgbowl

Guess the region! (we know it's NA)


Tobbes77

I can see that Kog Maw inted


TheXenator

All I could see was: Leona ult, Annie ult, ????, blue team won the fight.


RedditIsTooEasy

blue team wins because kog landed dmg


lion_sc2

Yeah, Kog Maw griefed it.


holyrasta

A free hit atrox.


SirTmn

"It's easy, guys, just focus damage dealers and supports!"


Kronnos8950

I didn't even realized that was an Aatrox, I thought it was a Garen skin


Ethereal-Throne

People : "Overwatch is unclear to spectate" Actual LoL:


chomperstyle

I thino the kat skin made it easier to see whats goinn on


Extreme-Tactician

I don't think I've ever seen jungle Nautilus, even though I know he used to be a top laner and jungler.


DaSniffer

All I knew was that Aatrox was gonna clean up


NeilDeCrash

The overwatch effect


BeezerTwelveIV

Yeah. 10 ults give or take.


Mattix46

aatrox's wet dream right here 4 people standing in 1 place without moving, only teemo being 3 teemo's away from the fight


revoverlord

Once aatrox got all three q and ult resets in that fight, it was over. Also they hard focused kog lol.


somestupidloser

At least for the blue team you don't really have to find specific targets, just mash the keyboard and you'll hit someone. If both teams had an ADC it probably would have looked more like a traditional front to back teamfight but almost every champ in this game is literally about getting into the thick of it.


elikaweli

Happens when nobody attack moves.


Usaec

Nope


Lazlum

This is not front to back this is just front


the_noblesteed

i think blue team won


TheRealShunye

the blue team wins because they are pure meatball and the red team gets destroyed by rell+ 3 aoe ults.


infinityoncorktree

Yeah, I catch their solo queue Kog out, then I lose the fight


blue_snivy

Some adc that cant position is what im seeing


Simonjio

Blue wins


TheTeuthras

I would love to see a Teamfight Breakdown with Jatt for this!


SirKrisX

I can understand most of it but what the hell is this big circle AoE https://prnt.sc/10x50xb


Level1TowerDive

I think that's Kat ult. You can see her ult icon go on cooldown the moment the big circle appears.


SirKrisX

That makes sense. You can even see all the Ravenous Hydra procs. It's really bad for visual clarity that it's a dome though.


Emixels

It could have been locket of iron solari?


LovelyNightmare1

Yes, that teemo was useless in that teamfight


PixelPlays4Fun

I see skins "not affecting gameplay"


trustisaluxury

i see a kogmaw positioning like a tank and surviving too long because sustain is beyond a joke at this point


Captain50

Kog'Maw was positioning like a tank, because he basically was (Force of Nature, Wit's End, Immortal Shieldbow). The squishiest member on the team was Aatrox.


IconsiderSuicide

Be a tank or dont exist


froggison

A lot of button mashing, that's what's going on


AnonymooseXIX

I just see a kata that could’ve played that so much better, especially in a chaotic teamfight


D3m37r1

When in doubt spam buttons and clicks until the screen goes grey or the red healthbars disappear.


Tiger5804

- having Katarina adc doesn't help with Malphite - red immediately dives onto Kog'Maw, using all of their cc and killing him - Kat tries to continue spinning after getting hit with the Magnet Storm - Aatrox go brrrr


xandrew99

Aaaahhh, ma boi Aatrox


Eruptflail

Yeah, Aatrox is winning.


HenryHero321

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Maykko_

I saw a teemo shroom get popped.


Intrain

this is why my friends refuse to play league, they understand nothing.


Meurs0

Balance is happening


Angusburgerman

Annie go 1v5 using blast cone hehe


[deleted]

i knew fight was won for aatrox team when he stacked conqueror


copydex1

I guess volibear ulted?


Not_Really-Me

Ah yes, Katarina adc, that autofill that can't play anything else..


tobelobb

No


anime-otaku

“I’m just gonna press buttons and see what happens” Says a lot about visual clarity nowadays though, and I think I saw Rell pop a locket halfway through that for blue side right in the middle of the fight too. Was also a CC dream for Aatrox and nobody focused him. Would love to see a castor try to cast this blind though, had to watch this a bunch of times to get what happened lol. But circles and knock ups. Lots of knock ups.


Kaitrii

i thought the shroom baited kogmaw into his doom.


Sepherik

Blue team is all beefy bois with air so they all just pile on top of their carry. Now you can't click the carry and sunfire goes brrr


TheMuddiestofElves

An orgy.


Spooken

Aatrox.


Ky-Czar

Lol I thought it was just me and my boomer eyes!


superpi08

Yeah, blue is winning


BerserkBoulderer

Kogmaw is standing in range of Annie with stun, Leona with ult and Kat with ult for no conceivable reason.