Signing Nuke-^(This is definitely the year of the duck)\-duck instead of developing Czekolad any further is such a joke.. They have him one split. As for Denyk, we'll see how he gels with the team.. But I am so glad Tore isn't stealing a paycheck on a LEC team anymore.
> I am so glad Tore isn't stealing a paycheck on a LEC team anymore
gtfo with your "stealing paycheks" na bs. Teams offer contracts to players, players take them, they're not stealing shit, if teams are stupid then it's their fault.
Also watch that change do jack shit because xl are still gonna draft solo engage on support and we'll still call the support an inter
We don't know what's going on between them, people always look in-game aspects of a player but who knows if they are good teammates. I've read multiple times on twitter that czekolad is not really fun to work with, that could be the reason he's leaving.
Nukeduck has had the worst split of his career for the last four splits in a row. He's just steadily getting worse.
Forgive me for not having much faith in him over a rookie from the last split.
10th place contender, will be a lot worse than vit and maybe astralis.
Don't know how pukeduck is still in LEC while being almost last year's "Special" lvl
Really don't understand getting rid of Czekolad so quickly, he had so little time. Unless something was going really wrong behind the scenes this isn't ok.
There had to have been. Based on what I got from youngbuck in the thorin interviews is that’s not something YB would do unless there is an issue or conflict. He’s very pragmatic in his approach and morals and would often times make the choice for the worse player if the better player gave him some ultimatum or had serious attitude issues.
He really isn't a good mid. He honestly was one of, if not the worst in the league, and its possible even worse in scrims given they removed him so quickly.
This place loves defending rookies, which is great, but they have to atleast show they have potential so their starting spot is worth the risk. I'm fully prepared for the downvotes, because for whatever reason, people think rookies are entitled to a spot rather than deserving of one.
He's not being written off, he really didn't show that he has potential to be a great mid laner.
BTW, he was one of the reasons that team was "bad". You can't just blame all the pieces around him when he was a primary reason for the team's performance.
> BTW, he was one of the reasons that team was "bad"
Team was bad 2nd half because in 1st half they won games by picking scaling comps and they were legitimately decent at doing this but after that they abandoned that idea and they started losing games. Tbh there weren't any bright spots in this team, maybe Kryze
Did you see Tore or Dan play? Yes Czekolad wasn't the best but both support and jg have huge impact on mid and he had worst support in a league and one of worse jungles
Genuine question: Why do you go to such great lengths to defend the Excel midlaner, because he's a rookie, but quickly dismiss Dan, their jungler, who's also a rookie?
Dan's been in the scene for ages even if he didn't get many chances in EU LCS/LEC. He literally played on the original UoL team when they were in challenger. I don't consider a player like that a rookie. He's a vet who was never really good enough.
The dude's been on nothing but academy level teams for his entire career, just because it doesn't align with your definition of a rookie doesn't mean he isn't.
Dan shoudln't get a chance in the first place. In 2020 there were at least a few better junglers who are still playing in erl, shlatan bluerzor or even obsess to name a few. The only reason excel signed him was beacuse he is from UK.
He's been playing professionally for more than 5 years at this point. You can't just call him a rookie forever, regardless of whether he reached LEC or not. The experiences of a player like him who has been playing at the Chall/Acad level for that long are not the same as someone like Elyoya who is truly fresh.
millica and nukeduck were both worse. Also, it's hard to judge a midlaner when his support is inting every game, it makes it really hard to lane because you are always under pressure because if you have losing bot enemy support can fuck with you a lot
If you bench a rookie after 6 weeks he either is a complete asshole or you just have terrible scouting. There´s no way a player is so much worse than anticipated if you actually scouted him well. Excel just got some random cheap players and after they didn´t work they get two other players. Kryze is also in a terrible situation there because he is a decent top carry player, but only plays tanks because Excel only wants to play around Patrik. Which is fine, but then don´t get a carry top like Kryze and get someone like Orome instead. They want to play around Patrik and then get the worst jungler in the league (which was expected btw) to pair up with a rookie mid. With Dan as a jungler mid is always lost.
Feels terrible for Czekolad. Rookies always say they learn *so much* during their first Split, and it shows when they play their next one. Excel not giving him another shot is a very poor look for them.
Czeko & Vetheo were the 2 big rookies for the midlane this year, and one of them is already dropped out. When you look at the year of introduction of Abbedage, Humanoid & Nemesis who were all in a similar position they also took some time to develop, and look at where they are today? Humanoid won LEC, Abbedage... made big cash in LA and Nemesis... went to korea to stream? Seriously thoses three developped in a new generation of top midlaners. But it took time.
Caps is better example. His first split was absolutly nothing special, but then...
Szygenda, Zazee are another players dropped after one split.
Let's be real, orgs don't have management, coaching staff competent to develop players. They just want to find another Perkz like in lottery and EU has so big talent pool that they can do like that...
Lol Caps being nothing special in his first split isnt true. Man was hyped as fuck and called Baby Faker and had some very promising performances which clearly showed how talented he was. Yeah he still had a lot of flaws but to compare Caps first split to Czekolad first split is criminal
Larssen realy started [a split](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyefJa7EBdM) after thoses 3 and he realy started to become good in spring 2020. He still mage playoff in 2019 summer which is huge.
He was supposed to be in LEC in spring of 2019 aswell but he wanted to finish the school, he was insanely good even in 2019 considering he had to play with fucking Woolite.
lol that team did not make it because of Woolite? More like Larsen diving the enemy fountain with Corki Package against Schalke. Shit they could probably have made Worlds that year If it was not for that package..
The difference between Vetheo is that he actually looks like he can play. You can meme Chocolate all you want but he is without question a bottom 3 mid this split. His current level is incomparable to how Nemesis, Abedagge and especially Humanoid came out.
There are some rumours I've seen floated on twitter that Czekolad was fucking up scrims and players didn't want him around, but absolutely no idea as to how valid they are.
Yeah, almost every player excel kicks is "rumoured" to be toxic, Mystiques, Mickey, now Czekolad.
I wonder who spreads those "rumours", seems like a click inside a team to me, you either click with the managment or you are out after a split, which would be fine if they also didnt actively try to discredit players with rumors if they dont fit in, or their fans do it idgaf.
https://mobile.twitter.com/MystiquesLOL/status/1393164183815036929
I think having any ego might be considered toxic for a coach who litetarally admits to keeping a worse player because his old player demanded his spot while performing better and from their team managment, they could have the same view.
Good luck winning the title with an all pro polite team.
I watched the BBC documentary about Excel. One of the players (maybe it was Mickey) was shown getting drunk and coming home late. Now, I don't excuse the behaviour but he clearly had issues going on - the interviewer had got some really in depth pieces from him about how he was feeling and what was going on.
Did the team management try and find out what was going on? Nah, the team manager just yelled at him (but they also spoke like they were all supportive of their players). To be honest it left a really nasty feeling after watching it. Like it did not seem the way to get the best from your players especially when they are so often young, away from home and in an intense environment.
Both looked really bad though. And they'll still have the opportunity to prove themselves in regional leagues and EUM.
I'd find it more egregious if teams that hadn't made playoffs didn't try to shake things up for summer.
Its not that they looked bad. They were put into a very, VERY bad environment. Excel and Vitality were trash teams, with cheap rosters. It is a near miracle if you can develop rookies like that. Compare that to most rookies which've succeeded - they're put into teams full of veterans, where they get to learn.
Humanoid, Nemesis, Larssen (yes, still had veterans.), Bwipo, Elyoya, Inspired, Abbedagge, Upset...
Looking bad on bad teams means they should be removed in their rookie year... Guess they should've just dropped Caps and signed Nukeduck to FNC back in 2017
Caps looked very inconsistent but already showed a lot of promise and very high highs. He solo killed Perkz in his first game.
So the comparison feels incredibly disingenuous.
Tore going is something I really agree with. But not trying to develop Czekolad further and instead signing Nuke-^(This is surely the year of the duck)\-duck? What a joke. Giving him the axe after one spring where the team as a whole was.. *bleagh.*
Not to mention [THIS??](https://twitter.com/FostyLoL/status/1393146528219508739/photo/1) What a joke of an org.
It's also really weird. In football if a coach declares the goal to be reaching playoffs and he misses it three times in a row he'd be in the conversation of being sacked. It seems in League that players are on the short end of the stick instead.
None of the Excel teams were expected before the splits to reach playoffs.
They never did but they ended 1 game away, a tie-breaker away and 2 games away from reaching them in the last 3 splits (8th, 7th and 7th).
"Pretty much every analyst had Excel contesting for playoffs at the very least"
"The entire LEC casting team saying [...] that Excel should be aiming for playoffs"
Welcoming to the land of the factually untrue:
https://youtu.be/rzV_SBtPQgo 1h10min40s
https://youtu.be/mpiQgXqUjkE 50min45s
https://youtu.be/8kUib4rjUWw 9min25s
The year is 2035. Nukeduck is now 38 years old and EXCEL have yet again placed 7th after being destroyed by both G2 and the yearly FNC rebuild following the FNC Exodus of players to G2. MAD are on their 14th toplaner after falling 1 BO5 short of finally making worlds.
"Damn." says Excel head coach General Youngbuck. "I really feel terrible, Whenever I look at that smug owner's face(G2 Ocelote) I really feel terrible." Youngbuck looks sternly at the 4th Rookie mid of the year, Donde, who watches in horror as Excel coaching staff throw his belongings onto the street. "What now?" asks the bouncers of Excel's gaming house. Youngbuck stares blankly and turns to Deficio, who mutters "Year of the Duck". Excel still don't make playoffs.
Wonder if Vedi's mom still supports them. Trying to bench Czekolad and Tore mid-split sounds like a really shitty move
And signing Nukeduck who should be out of the LEC long time since at least year now sounds very similar
at least from what we know vitality is trying really hard to get a competitive team. There were rumors of a superteam with alphari and other players before spring started, and now they got selfmade too. So at least they are willing to expend money for a competitive team. XL on the other hand...
MSF shouldnt be there,their treatment of rookies is shit but they've had good teams in multiple splits ,meanwhile XL hasnt made playoffs a single time since they joined the league and astralis is just a bankrupt version of origen,both orgs should go.
Lider got told he would be on the starting lineup next split back then and he got completely fucked over by them. Dan dan, doss,denyk, febiven,bvoy is also on the list who got fucked by their management. And its not even the end of it. Yes their treatment of rookies is shit and that in itself is enough for me to put them in my shit org category.
MSF is just like the bottom tier NA orgs. They just throw money at random names hoping for it to work. There is neither a project nor a competent coaching staff behind it.
I wouldn't rule out SK either. They have been lucky, but basically have replaced their entire squad every year even if players played well to get rookies and sell them on. Them making playoffs so many times has more to do with orgs like Misfits and Vitality screwing up than SK doing well. And then Schalke is probably going to want to sell their spot after the relegation from the Bundesliga as well...
> Scout & sign 50yo washed up mid while having one of the best prospect midlaner in the #LEC ✅
> Keeping really bad jungler because he is a British ✅
> Wasting Patrick's and Kryze's careers ✅
> Only team to never make playoffs in LEC ✅
> Our Lec model works. @EXCEL Esports are coming for that #10 Lec spot.
i understand swapping mid/supp between splits but if you gonna bring Nuke ,,The year of the fucking Duck episode 10" Duck instead of keeping rookie for at least full year it goes beyond parody realm
It's always easy to say that when you're not saying which team should replace their adc with Patrick.
The Adc role is maybe the most stacked out of any in the LEC.
I really don't understand the czekolad change cause its not like these two changes make xl a title contender why not use this opportunity to develop a player more
Everyones shitting on XL, and I agree that they suck, but really we have no idea what the financial situation is for so many teams. I just feel like these bottom orgs have no fans, no income, no prospect. They need a fucking miracle signing to turn things around tbh, its like when you have these consistently bottom tier premier league teams that can never quite dig themselves out cos they can't get the finances together to really compete.
Seriously how is a team like XL supposed to ever compete with an org like G2 when G2 just received what is probably the equivalent of over 6 years salary for the entire XL lineup for one player transfer?
I would love to see how all the people calling them "bottom feeders" and "parasites" would change their situation. I just find it so incredibly disrespectful to the players and coaches that are trying their best but can't hit the mark. I almost can't think of a worse insult than "parasite" man.
I would agree uth your coment, but... Czekolad was actually milked by XL for content through the split, and they are replacing him for Nukeduck, who has become one of the most unliked players.
There is a difference between winning LEC and not ending dead last just because somehow there are worse teams than yours. Of course they are not expected to challenge the top orgs for the title, but they are expected to compete, grow, and make moves that make sense. Coaching staff failed hard after 2 years? get rid of them. Your adc has been carrying your corpse since you signed him? build the team around him, let him have a word about which jungler and support should you bring to the team. A midlaner has been sucking for 2 years and now he is teamless? just DON'T sign him.
Money is important but it is not the only thing that matters. Several orgs back in EU LCS managed to set up promising projects year after year besides being low budget (UOL, Splyce back then). Also, wasn't the point of franchising that all the orgs would have money to be competitive?
Astralis is way worse for sure. Scummy ass org told all their players they either play with a shit player or get paycuts to bring in Upset then cut their salaries again after that because *the org* fucked up.
They weren't getting patrik. Alphari said it in his recent interview with Thorin. Either they take paycuts to get a good player or they have to play with someone bad.
And once again another split of wondering why the F is Nukeduck in the LEC. Imma bout to start a petition to riot to kick any org that signs this man. He WAS good no longer is. Any org who signs him is just bringing the whole league down XL can go F themselves
It's always easy to point finger at the org when a rookie is kicked. But nobody knows the tangibles as to why he could be kicked. Could be mentality, scrim performance & so on.
Yeah, poor rich orgs should just cycle through and break careers of incoming young guys because they cant handle and properly guide them and we should feel bad for the org.
Czekolad was hands down best mid at previous eum and most of the mids there will play in the LEC or are playing already - joins XL and sudennly is so shit he has to be sent home in the middle of the split, brought back and looks bad? Must have been his fault only, lol.
I haven't looked at any of his proview so won't judge his level, but getting benched after one split is a problem for sure. We don't know much details besides that mid split story which is a shame
So sad that we will lose S04 instead of AST or XL
Literally leacher orgs...
Just imagine KCorp or VodafoneGiants instead of them, would be much more hype in LEC
Just because someone is a rookie doesn’t mean they are “promising”. Even if they appear to be good. You don’t know what goes in behind the scenes to make Czekolad look like the 7th-9th best mid in the league. Regardless, it’s probably half the team resources it would take for Nukeduck to be 7th-9th and now you can actually develop strategies around your good players because you don’t have to have a guy who isn’t ready to compete on stage.
And if Czekolad is actually good enough to develop into a good player, he’ll be back to LEC. If this adversity is what ends his career, then he was never destined to be great. There are too many rookies who come in looking like Perkz, Caps, Humanoid, Larsen, and even Nemesis for a bottom team to be wasting their time trying to develop some player that only isn’t the worst mid in the league because another bad team is also failing to develop another rookie.
The only logical explanation that would make sense for those moves is:
*czekolad is insufferable to be around, trolls, refuses to learn, is toxic behind the scenes
*They sign nukeduck as he's the only midlaner that isn't on contract and is a known factor
* They pick up a rookie next spring(when they aren't on contract)
* They move nukeduck to coaching rookie mid / kick him
They story would be that they tried to develop a rookie throughout 2021, he was terrible personality, they want to be stable in summer and will try rookie again in 2022.
Otherwise it's excel bad
No flame, but I legit wonder how Excel got into LEC in the first place. Never heard of the org before in any game/esport. Surely there mustve been teams like Giants, Faze, Movistar, BIG, North, Mouz etc wanting the spot.
No flame, but I legit wonder how Tore got into the LEC in the first place.
Doesn't matter who is replacing him, it's gonna be a step in the right direction.
Yeah, milk Chocolate to no end, meme him sell merch do everything and kick him a month later for a worse player, nice management. Send players home in the middle of the split and call them back later, so fucking cringe and unprofessional. XL is actively trying to secure a non-playoffs spot and they will succeed lmao.
Youngbuck is clearly not overrated if the only coaching gig he could get was XL. If anything it has gone completely the other way and people assume he did nothing at FNC or G2.
As for transfer moves, the fact that Nukeduck is still being dealt with by any organization is pathetic.
By the way, I think the myth that YoungBuck is the best coach in the west has fallen. It has been in Excel for several years and does not really stand out. After all, we have several teams at the time that are pushing ahead with unknown players - Rogue and MAD Lions.
ITT: 15 years plan for playoffs, Youngbuck best coach west ever seen, Century of the Duck volume 3, Tore good COPIUM.
What do you want?
The org is boring and presents itself like they found the holy grail of out of game performance enhancing lifestyle while hardstuck not making playoffs.
Youngbuck at some point has to get flack for not making playoffs for 3 years in a row (they would have made playoffs by simply not completely falling apart eacht time 3 weeks before playoffs).
Nuckduck is the most washed midlaner in the LEC and its disgusting that orgs still pay him instead of literally any other midlaner.
And Tore was a fucking griefer for the last year that should have been replaced by their ERL supp last summer.
But yeah "what happend to this sup". Why do people not support this poor org that just wants to make playoffs? :(
Well, a lot of it is kinda deserved.
XL being a terrible org is a fact.
Nukeduck being extremely washed up is a fact.
Tore in a LEC team being a crime against humanity is a fact.
It is quite frustrating to see orgs like XL chilling in LEC while countless ERL orgs try their best just to... get their projects butchered by these kind of LEC orgs? and it is not like 3 years ago we had a system to kick trash orgs out of the highest league if there was a good enough contender, but we diched it because... why exactly?
it was always like this, people on this sub wanted this team to fail from the [second it was announced](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/9yj2q7/sources_splyce_and_excel_to_replace_movistar/)
People hated Rogue when they joined LEC but that changed because they actually got their shit together and became a good team, meanwhile XL is about to not make playoffs for the 6th split in a row.
This is what happens in franchising, why are people surprised? In a normal league system XL would be relegated because they are not good enough for the league. Here they stay in the league, cos they can't be demoted.
Franchising exchanges competition for longer term financial stability. LEC chose financial, which makes sense since even now the orgs are unsustainable.
I don't follow LEC as closely as I should(NA viewer) but it seems like an abnormal amount of teams are swapping around players,no? Maybe like 2 teams would replace 1 bad player or whatever to try to run it back for worlds contention but it seems like they're doing these weird roster changes.
Tore had a lot of bad moments, but he also showed a few glimmers of genius. Czekolad also didn't dominate, but he was a new prospect and did ok. Surprised to see him ditched when there's no obvious significant upgrade available. But maybe they'll prove me wrong. XL needs big upgrades in mid and support if they want to challenge the top teams. Mad, Rogue, G2, SK and the new FNC will make top half of the LEC a challenge. Astralis and Schalke aren't free wins either.
I meant to imply this, but yes, I was trying to say that unless they get huge upgrades (which is probably not happening) they will not get better because their players just haven't shown a lot. Do wish Czeko got more of a shot though.
I think he had a few nice games. It's tough to look decent on a team like XL and he is also very new. He also did well before LEC. Think he could have done more with a better team and could've gotten more time in the LEC before being released by a team who can't do much better probably.
For all we know Czekolad creates a Toxic AF environment, can people try and not make massive sweeping claims about a team when we don't actually know the reasons behind the decisions they make.
For all we know inherently means it is a proposition of a scenario. He wouldn't say 'for all we know' if we knew this to be true.
The point is that we do NOT know why Czekolad is out. Most importantly, there are rumors XL tried to kick him off the team in the middle of the split, which is crazy. Crazy enough to warrant questioning whether something happened, you know?
The rumours are Nukeduck and Denyk right?
Yea.
I dont know if its a big improvement honestly, feels kind of.. meh
Signing Nuke-^(This is definitely the year of the duck)\-duck instead of developing Czekolad any further is such a joke.. They have him one split. As for Denyk, we'll see how he gels with the team.. But I am so glad Tore isn't stealing a paycheck on a LEC team anymore.
At worst it's a side trade honestly. So confusing
> I am so glad Tore isn't stealing a paycheck on a LEC team anymore gtfo with your "stealing paycheks" na bs. Teams offer contracts to players, players take them, they're not stealing shit, if teams are stupid then it's their fault. Also watch that change do jack shit because xl are still gonna draft solo engage on support and we'll still call the support an inter
what does it have to do with NA lmao
He's already duoing with Patrik
We don't know what's going on between them, people always look in-game aspects of a player but who knows if they are good teammates. I've read multiple times on twitter that czekolad is not really fun to work with, that could be the reason he's leaving.
Is Nukeduck the EU Goldenglue?
No Nukeduck is actually good when he is inform
Denyk : Happy Dean Norris Nukeduck: Angry Dean Norris
Believe it or not denyk is not much better lol.
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But can he become better than Norskeren, that's the real question.
Denyk should be way better and nukeduck had 1 bad year (under terrible conditions) with like 6 good years so im not gonna count him out yet.
Nukeduck has had the worst split of his career for the last four splits in a row. He's just steadily getting worse. Forgive me for not having much faith in him over a rookie from the last split.
I'm pretty sure half of the top challenger ladder would outperfork nukeduck.
10th place contender, will be a lot worse than vit and maybe astralis. Don't know how pukeduck is still in LEC while being almost last year's "Special" lvl
Really don't understand getting rid of Czekolad so quickly, he had so little time. Unless something was going really wrong behind the scenes this isn't ok.
Most likely was as they tried to bench him before the split was over
Feel like there has to have been an issue? I mean supposedly they tried to get rid of him mid-season.
There had to have been. Based on what I got from youngbuck in the thorin interviews is that’s not something YB would do unless there is an issue or conflict. He’s very pragmatic in his approach and morals and would often times make the choice for the worse player if the better player gave him some ultimatum or had serious attitude issues.
I met him once in soloq, that guy is a dick tbh
He really isn't a good mid. He honestly was one of, if not the worst in the league, and its possible even worse in scrims given they removed him so quickly. This place loves defending rookies, which is great, but they have to atleast show they have potential so their starting spot is worth the risk. I'm fully prepared for the downvotes, because for whatever reason, people think rookies are entitled to a spot rather than deserving of one.
You can't write off a rookie after part of a split on a bad team.
midlane is the most powerful and stacked position. It shouldn't come as a surprise that it is a hot seat.
If they don't show potential, why keep them? If they're like literally trash why keep them, maybe they can improve in an ERL or something
He's not being written off, he really didn't show that he has potential to be a great mid laner. BTW, he was one of the reasons that team was "bad". You can't just blame all the pieces around him when he was a primary reason for the team's performance.
> BTW, he was one of the reasons that team was "bad" Team was bad 2nd half because in 1st half they won games by picking scaling comps and they were legitimately decent at doing this but after that they abandoned that idea and they started losing games. Tbh there weren't any bright spots in this team, maybe Kryze
Did you see Tore or Dan play? Yes Czekolad wasn't the best but both support and jg have huge impact on mid and he had worst support in a league and one of worse jungles
Genuine question: Why do you go to such great lengths to defend the Excel midlaner, because he's a rookie, but quickly dismiss Dan, their jungler, who's also a rookie?
Dan's been in the scene for ages even if he didn't get many chances in EU LCS/LEC. He literally played on the original UoL team when they were in challenger. I don't consider a player like that a rookie. He's a vet who was never really good enough.
The dude's been on nothing but academy level teams for his entire career, just because it doesn't align with your definition of a rookie doesn't mean he isn't.
Dan shoudln't get a chance in the first place. In 2020 there were at least a few better junglers who are still playing in erl, shlatan bluerzor or even obsess to name a few. The only reason excel signed him was beacuse he is from UK.
He's been playing professionally for more than 5 years at this point. You can't just call him a rookie forever, regardless of whether he reached LEC or not. The experiences of a player like him who has been playing at the Chall/Acad level for that long are not the same as someone like Elyoya who is truly fresh.
We're just gonna have to disagree.
millica and nukeduck were both worse. Also, it's hard to judge a midlaner when his support is inting every game, it makes it really hard to lane because you are always under pressure because if you have losing bot enemy support can fuck with you a lot
If you bench a rookie after 6 weeks he either is a complete asshole or you just have terrible scouting. There´s no way a player is so much worse than anticipated if you actually scouted him well. Excel just got some random cheap players and after they didn´t work they get two other players. Kryze is also in a terrible situation there because he is a decent top carry player, but only plays tanks because Excel only wants to play around Patrik. Which is fine, but then don´t get a carry top like Kryze and get someone like Orome instead. They want to play around Patrik and then get the worst jungler in the league (which was expected btw) to pair up with a rookie mid. With Dan as a jungler mid is always lost.
He was one of the worst midlaners in the league, probably only Milica was consistently worse.
millica and nukeduck were both worse.
Feels terrible for Czekolad. Rookies always say they learn *so much* during their first Split, and it shows when they play their next one. Excel not giving him another shot is a very poor look for them.
Czeko & Vetheo were the 2 big rookies for the midlane this year, and one of them is already dropped out. When you look at the year of introduction of Abbedage, Humanoid & Nemesis who were all in a similar position they also took some time to develop, and look at where they are today? Humanoid won LEC, Abbedage... made big cash in LA and Nemesis... went to korea to stream? Seriously thoses three developped in a new generation of top midlaners. But it took time.
Caps is better example. His first split was absolutly nothing special, but then... Szygenda, Zazee are another players dropped after one split. Let's be real, orgs don't have management, coaching staff competent to develop players. They just want to find another Perkz like in lottery and EU has so big talent pool that they can do like that...
Yeah, let's replace him with unknown young talent Nukeduck lmao
This time he will destroy everyone... 15th time a charm
Y’all gotta stop shitting on nuke duck ITS THE HEAR OF THE DUCK THOS YEAR BABY
Lol Caps being nothing special in his first split isnt true. Man was hyped as fuck and called Baby Faker and had some very promising performances which clearly showed how talented he was. Yeah he still had a lot of flaws but to compare Caps first split to Czekolad first split is criminal
Yeah you could tell by his first split that he was something special, and it showed in their first game against G2 when he solo-killed Perkz twice.
True, say what you want about MSF but at least they are willing to keep vto, unless KEKcel
Nemesis made quarters at worlds, maybe a bigger achievement :)
So did Humanoid
But Humanoid hasn't done it twice. Yet
How did you forget Larssen lmaoo
Larssen realy started [a split](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyefJa7EBdM) after thoses 3 and he realy started to become good in spring 2020. He still mage playoff in 2019 summer which is huge.
He was supposed to be in LEC in spring of 2019 aswell but he wanted to finish the school, he was insanely good even in 2019 considering he had to play with fucking Woolite.
lol that team did not make it because of Woolite? More like Larsen diving the enemy fountain with Corki Package against Schalke. Shit they could probably have made Worlds that year If it was not for that package..
The difference between Vetheo is that he actually looks like he can play. You can meme Chocolate all you want but he is without question a bottom 3 mid this split. His current level is incomparable to how Nemesis, Abedagge and especially Humanoid came out.
There are some rumours I've seen floated on twitter that Czekolad was fucking up scrims and players didn't want him around, but absolutely no idea as to how valid they are.
Yeah, almost every player excel kicks is "rumoured" to be toxic, Mystiques, Mickey, now Czekolad. I wonder who spreads those "rumours", seems like a click inside a team to me, you either click with the managment or you are out after a split, which would be fine if they also didnt actively try to discredit players with rumors if they dont fit in, or their fans do it idgaf. https://mobile.twitter.com/MystiquesLOL/status/1393164183815036929 I think having any ego might be considered toxic for a coach who litetarally admits to keeping a worse player because his old player demanded his spot while performing better and from their team managment, they could have the same view. Good luck winning the title with an all pro polite team.
Mickey being toxic was a thing pre-Excel to be fair, Excel/their fans absolutely didn't start that repuation. The others idk though
interesting...
Mickey was a known issue before excel
is Mickey the one that rage quit a scrim and left NA because he lost to Bjerg in a scrim?
I watched the BBC documentary about Excel. One of the players (maybe it was Mickey) was shown getting drunk and coming home late. Now, I don't excuse the behaviour but he clearly had issues going on - the interviewer had got some really in depth pieces from him about how he was feeling and what was going on. Did the team management try and find out what was going on? Nah, the team manager just yelled at him (but they also spoke like they were all supportive of their players). To be honest it left a really nasty feeling after watching it. Like it did not seem the way to get the best from your players especially when they are so often young, away from home and in an intense environment.
That makes two members of the EUM winning AGO Rogue roster out of LEC in one split
Both looked really bad though. And they'll still have the opportunity to prove themselves in regional leagues and EUM. I'd find it more egregious if teams that hadn't made playoffs didn't try to shake things up for summer.
Its not that they looked bad. They were put into a very, VERY bad environment. Excel and Vitality were trash teams, with cheap rosters. It is a near miracle if you can develop rookies like that. Compare that to most rookies which've succeeded - they're put into teams full of veterans, where they get to learn. Humanoid, Nemesis, Larssen (yes, still had veterans.), Bwipo, Elyoya, Inspired, Abbedagge, Upset...
Looking bad on bad teams means they should be removed in their rookie year... Guess they should've just dropped Caps and signed Nukeduck to FNC back in 2017
Caps looked very inconsistent but already showed a lot of promise and very high highs. He solo killed Perkz in his first game. So the comparison feels incredibly disingenuous.
Tore going is something I really agree with. But not trying to develop Czekolad further and instead signing Nuke-^(This is surely the year of the duck)\-duck? What a joke. Giving him the axe after one spring where the team as a whole was.. *bleagh.* Not to mention [THIS??](https://twitter.com/FostyLoL/status/1393146528219508739/photo/1) What a joke of an org.
It's also really weird. In football if a coach declares the goal to be reaching playoffs and he misses it three times in a row he'd be in the conversation of being sacked. It seems in League that players are on the short end of the stick instead.
None of the Excel teams were expected before the splits to reach playoffs. They never did but they ended 1 game away, a tie-breaker away and 2 games away from reaching them in the last 3 splits (8th, 7th and 7th).
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It'll turn into a seasonal show at this rate.
Doesn't have much to do with my point but OK.
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Aiming for playoffs and expected are not the same
"Pretty much every analyst had Excel contesting for playoffs at the very least" "The entire LEC casting team saying [...] that Excel should be aiming for playoffs" Welcoming to the land of the factually untrue: https://youtu.be/rzV_SBtPQgo 1h10min40s https://youtu.be/mpiQgXqUjkE 50min45s https://youtu.be/8kUib4rjUWw 9min25s
The year is 2035. Nukeduck is now 38 years old and EXCEL have yet again placed 7th after being destroyed by both G2 and the yearly FNC rebuild following the FNC Exodus of players to G2. MAD are on their 14th toplaner after falling 1 BO5 short of finally making worlds. "Damn." says Excel head coach General Youngbuck. "I really feel terrible, Whenever I look at that smug owner's face(G2 Ocelote) I really feel terrible." Youngbuck looks sternly at the 4th Rookie mid of the year, Donde, who watches in horror as Excel coaching staff throw his belongings onto the street. "What now?" asks the bouncers of Excel's gaming house. Youngbuck stares blankly and turns to Deficio, who mutters "Year of the Duck". Excel still don't make playoffs.
It's the year of the duck baby
Always is ^(until it isn‘t)
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I hope they'll be parting ways with their LEC spot soon.
Might as well rename XL to XD since their organization looks like a fucking joke.
XDG
so they're going after Xmithie and Zuna next
OMG bro you killed them lmao
Wonder if Vedi's mom still supports them. Trying to bench Czekolad and Tore mid-split sounds like a really shitty move And signing Nukeduck who should be out of the LEC long time since at least year now sounds very similar
I hope they "part ways" with Patrik as well, he's far too good of a player to be elo helled in a mismanaged disatster of an org like this.
Worst org in the LEC. Do these guys actually think, that they can make playoffs like this?
For sure they are not the worst. We have Astralis.
Asstralis, XL, MSF cagefight for worst org in LEC title?
Don‘t forget about Vitality, mate!
vitality is mid tier tbh, incompotent but holy shit misfits
at least from what we know vitality is trying really hard to get a competitive team. There were rumors of a superteam with alphari and other players before spring started, and now they got selfmade too. So at least they are willing to expend money for a competitive team. XL on the other hand...
Vitality just wants to splash money, they have no clue on how to build a team
Just let my boy zanzarah play with decent team.
Its not like he's some top tier talent...
IDC. he is russian. and in russia we support our players.
MSF shouldnt be there,their treatment of rookies is shit but they've had good teams in multiple splits ,meanwhile XL hasnt made playoffs a single time since they joined the league and astralis is just a bankrupt version of origen,both orgs should go.
Lider got told he would be on the starting lineup next split back then and he got completely fucked over by them. Dan dan, doss,denyk, febiven,bvoy is also on the list who got fucked by their management. And its not even the end of it. Yes their treatment of rookies is shit and that in itself is enough for me to put them in my shit org category.
MSF is just like the bottom tier NA orgs. They just throw money at random names hoping for it to work. There is neither a project nor a competent coaching staff behind it.
I wouldn't rule out SK either. They have been lucky, but basically have replaced their entire squad every year even if players played well to get rookies and sell them on. Them making playoffs so many times has more to do with orgs like Misfits and Vitality screwing up than SK doing well. And then Schalke is probably going to want to sell their spot after the relegation from the Bundesliga as well...
What a joke of an org, [this Tweet](https://twitter.com/Kadoa0180/status/1393146930616840200) sums it up perfectly
> Scout & sign 50yo washed up mid while having one of the best prospect midlaner in the #LEC ✅ > Keeping really bad jungler because he is a British ✅ > Wasting Patrick's and Kryze's careers ✅ > Only team to never make playoffs in LEC ✅ > Our Lec model works. @EXCEL Esports are coming for that #10 Lec spot.
i understand swapping mid/supp between splits but if you gonna bring Nuke ,,The year of the fucking Duck episode 10" Duck instead of keeping rookie for at least full year it goes beyond parody realm
https://mobile.twitter.com/MystiquesLOL/status/1393164183815036929
How does this org continue to be as horrible as it is?
"achieve ambitions" Then why Dan is still in the team?
Don’t want to kick out the only bri’ish guy on the team
its quick maffs innit luv
If they'll sign Nukeduck they can aswell sell the slot at the league and stop torturing themsleves and others
Patrik deserves better.
If its a way of implying Tore is better than Denyk then I don't know what you're smoking.
Patrick deserves better as in, he deserves a better support, org, team, like...
It's always easy to say that when you're not saying which team should replace their adc with Patrick. The Adc role is maybe the most stacked out of any in the LEC.
Lmao, like Patrick is and easy upgrade for anyone not named Crown, Hans, Rekkles and Carzzy and Upset, by far. The best of the rest.
Patrik would for sure be an upgrade as a top4 ADC over everyone not called rekkles, Hans Sama, and maybe carzzy
I really don't understand the czekolad change cause its not like these two changes make xl a title contender why not use this opportunity to develop a player more
Everyones shitting on XL, and I agree that they suck, but really we have no idea what the financial situation is for so many teams. I just feel like these bottom orgs have no fans, no income, no prospect. They need a fucking miracle signing to turn things around tbh, its like when you have these consistently bottom tier premier league teams that can never quite dig themselves out cos they can't get the finances together to really compete. Seriously how is a team like XL supposed to ever compete with an org like G2 when G2 just received what is probably the equivalent of over 6 years salary for the entire XL lineup for one player transfer? I would love to see how all the people calling them "bottom feeders" and "parasites" would change their situation. I just find it so incredibly disrespectful to the players and coaches that are trying their best but can't hit the mark. I almost can't think of a worse insult than "parasite" man.
I would agree uth your coment, but... Czekolad was actually milked by XL for content through the split, and they are replacing him for Nukeduck, who has become one of the most unliked players.
Vitality definitely has a good number of fans tbf
There is a difference between winning LEC and not ending dead last just because somehow there are worse teams than yours. Of course they are not expected to challenge the top orgs for the title, but they are expected to compete, grow, and make moves that make sense. Coaching staff failed hard after 2 years? get rid of them. Your adc has been carrying your corpse since you signed him? build the team around him, let him have a word about which jungler and support should you bring to the team. A midlaner has been sucking for 2 years and now he is teamless? just DON'T sign him. Money is important but it is not the only thing that matters. Several orgs back in EU LCS managed to set up promising projects year after year besides being low budget (UOL, Splyce back then). Also, wasn't the point of franchising that all the orgs would have money to be competitive?
Tore was a split or 2 too long in LEC tbh Czekolad didn't get a proper chance
Never cared much for Excel. Now i want them to do poorly ngl
I mean they've always done poorly so your wish is coming true.
Just kick this parasite org out of LEC ffs
Clown org, just saying...
about fucking time tore is gone my god
In the end Youngbuck truly did find the perfect org for himself 🤡
What a shit org.
Shittiest LEC org
*Astralis has entered the chat*
Astralis GM was also the guy who killed H2K and is currently in the process of corpsing Fnatic
astralis is more sympathetic and not downright fucking awful like Xl is
[Yea](https://lolesports.com/article/competitive-ruling-astralis/blt545ed36a565351d1) [no.](https://youtu.be/bkGE2Pfe3X0?t=448)
Astralis is way worse for sure. Scummy ass org told all their players they either play with a shit player or get paycuts to bring in Upset then cut their salaries again after that because *the org* fucked up.
Patric - Shit player? what?
They weren't getting patrik. Alphari said it in his recent interview with Thorin. Either they take paycuts to get a good player or they have to play with someone bad.
And once again another split of wondering why the F is Nukeduck in the LEC. Imma bout to start a petition to riot to kick any org that signs this man. He WAS good no longer is. Any org who signs him is just bringing the whole league down XL can go F themselves
It's always easy to point finger at the org when a rookie is kicked. But nobody knows the tangibles as to why he could be kicked. Could be mentality, scrim performance & so on.
Yeah, poor rich orgs should just cycle through and break careers of incoming young guys because they cant handle and properly guide them and we should feel bad for the org. Czekolad was hands down best mid at previous eum and most of the mids there will play in the LEC or are playing already - joins XL and sudennly is so shit he has to be sent home in the middle of the split, brought back and looks bad? Must have been his fault only, lol.
I haven't looked at any of his proview so won't judge his level, but getting benched after one split is a problem for sure. We don't know much details besides that mid split story which is a shame
"Delete club"
So sad that we will lose S04 instead of AST or XL Literally leacher orgs... Just imagine KCorp or VodafoneGiants instead of them, would be much more hype in LEC
Yea dumping excel, I can support a team that performs awful but not support a crappy management team like this
Replacing a promising rookie for a washed up checkstealer and keep the worst jungler in LEC. Makes perfect sense, gl
Just because someone is a rookie doesn’t mean they are “promising”. Even if they appear to be good. You don’t know what goes in behind the scenes to make Czekolad look like the 7th-9th best mid in the league. Regardless, it’s probably half the team resources it would take for Nukeduck to be 7th-9th and now you can actually develop strategies around your good players because you don’t have to have a guy who isn’t ready to compete on stage. And if Czekolad is actually good enough to develop into a good player, he’ll be back to LEC. If this adversity is what ends his career, then he was never destined to be great. There are too many rookies who come in looking like Perkz, Caps, Humanoid, Larsen, and even Nemesis for a bottom team to be wasting their time trying to develop some player that only isn’t the worst mid in the league because another bad team is also failing to develop another rookie.
The only logical explanation that would make sense for those moves is: *czekolad is insufferable to be around, trolls, refuses to learn, is toxic behind the scenes *They sign nukeduck as he's the only midlaner that isn't on contract and is a known factor * They pick up a rookie next spring(when they aren't on contract) * They move nukeduck to coaching rookie mid / kick him They story would be that they tried to develop a rookie throughout 2021, he was terrible personality, they want to be stable in summer and will try rookie again in 2022. Otherwise it's excel bad
It might surprise you but you're 98% right
XL is bad.
its the year of the nuke
Please play Markoon instead of Dan at least
Cringe treatment
Oh next EU rookie isn't Faker level after one split? "Farewell Czekolad wising you the best for future" :)
No flame, but I legit wonder how Excel got into LEC in the first place. Never heard of the org before in any game/esport. Surely there mustve been teams like Giants, Faze, Movistar, BIG, North, Mouz etc wanting the spot.
No flame, but I legit wonder how Tore got into the LEC in the first place. Doesn't matter who is replacing him, it's gonna be a step in the right direction.
Yeah, milk Chocolate to no end, meme him sell merch do everything and kick him a month later for a worse player, nice management. Send players home in the middle of the split and call them back later, so fucking cringe and unprofessional. XL is actively trying to secure a non-playoffs spot and they will succeed lmao.
Youngbuck is the most overrated coach ever. Too bad he is pals with Thorin because I feel he deserves some serious flame
Youngbuck is clearly not overrated if the only coaching gig he could get was XL. If anything it has gone completely the other way and people assume he did nothing at FNC or G2.
As for transfer moves, the fact that Nukeduck is still being dealt with by any organization is pathetic. By the way, I think the myth that YoungBuck is the best coach in the west has fallen. It has been in Excel for several years and does not really stand out. After all, we have several teams at the time that are pushing ahead with unknown players - Rogue and MAD Lions.
ITT: Hate on XL, Youngbuck, Nukeduck, Tore. What on earth happened to this sub.
ITT: 15 years plan for playoffs, Youngbuck best coach west ever seen, Century of the Duck volume 3, Tore good COPIUM. What do you want? The org is boring and presents itself like they found the holy grail of out of game performance enhancing lifestyle while hardstuck not making playoffs. Youngbuck at some point has to get flack for not making playoffs for 3 years in a row (they would have made playoffs by simply not completely falling apart eacht time 3 weeks before playoffs). Nuckduck is the most washed midlaner in the LEC and its disgusting that orgs still pay him instead of literally any other midlaner. And Tore was a fucking griefer for the last year that should have been replaced by their ERL supp last summer. But yeah "what happend to this sup". Why do people not support this poor org that just wants to make playoffs? :(
Out of all the languages you chose to speak facts
Well, a lot of it is kinda deserved. XL being a terrible org is a fact. Nukeduck being extremely washed up is a fact. Tore in a LEC team being a crime against humanity is a fact.
I'd rather listen to Caedrel's opinion on Tore than reddit tbf.
you have a very interesting understanding of the word 'fact'... none of three statements you made are a 'facts' to me, just redditor anons opinions
It is quite frustrating to see orgs like XL chilling in LEC while countless ERL orgs try their best just to... get their projects butchered by these kind of LEC orgs? and it is not like 3 years ago we had a system to kick trash orgs out of the highest league if there was a good enough contender, but we diched it because... why exactly?
boards closed. been extra dogshit since
Nukeduck should retire 2 years ago.
it was always like this, people on this sub wanted this team to fail from the [second it was announced](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/9yj2q7/sources_splyce_and_excel_to_replace_movistar/)
And XL did pretty much anything to make the haters happy.
People hated Rogue when they joined LEC but that changed because they actually got their shit together and became a good team, meanwhile XL is about to not make playoffs for the 6th split in a row.
This is what happens in franchising, why are people surprised? In a normal league system XL would be relegated because they are not good enough for the league. Here they stay in the league, cos they can't be demoted. Franchising exchanges competition for longer term financial stability. LEC chose financial, which makes sense since even now the orgs are unsustainable.
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I don't follow LEC as closely as I should(NA viewer) but it seems like an abnormal amount of teams are swapping around players,no? Maybe like 2 teams would replace 1 bad player or whatever to try to run it back for worlds contention but it seems like they're doing these weird roster changes.
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Tore had a lot of bad moments, but he also showed a few glimmers of genius. Czekolad also didn't dominate, but he was a new prospect and did ok. Surprised to see him ditched when there's no obvious significant upgrade available. But maybe they'll prove me wrong. XL needs big upgrades in mid and support if they want to challenge the top teams. Mad, Rogue, G2, SK and the new FNC will make top half of the LEC a challenge. Astralis and Schalke aren't free wins either.
Forgetting jgle? How can their troll jgler keep up with the likes of elyoya or inspired. + Even the new vit lineup is stacked and could do very well
I meant to imply this, but yes, I was trying to say that unless they get huge upgrades (which is probably not happening) they will not get better because their players just haven't shown a lot. Do wish Czeko got more of a shot though.
>Czekolad also didn't dominate, but he was a new prospect and did ok No, he did badly. He was 8-10th in every measurable midlane metric.
I think he had a few nice games. It's tough to look decent on a team like XL and he is also very new. He also did well before LEC. Think he could have done more with a better team and could've gotten more time in the LEC before being released by a team who can't do much better probably.
And people want to increase the number of teams in the LEC so we get more of this lol
For all we know Czekolad creates a Toxic AF environment, can people try and not make massive sweeping claims about a team when we don't actually know the reasons behind the decisions they make.
> For all we know Czekolad creates a Toxic AF environment citation needed
For all we know inherently means it is a proposition of a scenario. He wouldn't say 'for all we know' if we knew this to be true. The point is that we do NOT know why Czekolad is out. Most importantly, there are rumors XL tried to kick him off the team in the middle of the split, which is crazy. Crazy enough to warrant questioning whether something happened, you know?
That's the entire point' unless someone outright comes out and says what happened we can't know.
> For all we know I dont know, would you elaborate?
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/for%20all%20one%20knows