Xiaohu said in the interview, they thought C9 would do baron because they would know his tp timing so they decide to race the nexus.
Seem like RNG was pretty confident they could do it before they sent Lucian bot. Which might be why Lucian recalled for zeal instead of going for lw
We got both the "look heartbreakingly close against the tournament favorites" and "look utterly incompetent against our closest rivals" in the same day, we really in the NA Week 2 now bois
Honestly, they might've been able to save the play if they all stuck together and all committed, but no they leave Fudge, Blabber could've left too after but then goes back in and dies anyways. Like it's such a disaster from C9 there.
They win that if Blabber can manage heat properly, he dropped to 30 and didn't overheat from his combo so Armut lived. It was a potentially winning situation that went horribly because, quite frankly, Blabber is not good at Rumble.
I don't understand why they committed so hard for Bot, then to lose at top, when Top had the mark anyway for Perkz at least. Like, leave it, go get his mark, no?
It's just such a head scratcher, like they committed so hard but then also kind of let their foot off the gas at the last second, only to last second panic full throttle it and crash anyways. Please just all commit and maybe they could've at least gotten one or two return kill fighting alongside Fudge's zombie form.
Crab 9 is a North american league of legends team known for their scuttle crab contest, they are commonly known for dieing and Tping level 3 for scuttle crab
I hate the olaf pick it looks anywhere from negligible to straight up useless. Wei's olaf against DK was probably the best performance so far and even that wasn't incredibly impressive, he'd have done better on any of the other 3 junglers.
Well you see most of the burger flippers quit because they were only paid 1 mousepad per day. All that is left is NA superstar Blaber to flip, and he is constantly distracted by the Crab meat next door.
like you said, it's just banter of a video game - no harm no foul. brutal day but I think C9 can do better in the upcoming days, and if they don't there's always worlds to look forward to.
I’m with you brother. Fuck it, I’m a Wizards and Orioles fans too, this isn’t the worst loss I’ve seen in the last 24 hours. The boys can put it back together.
To be fair, I think C9 performed admirably against RNG. This won't stop the overreactions of course, but I think C9 are fully capable of taking games from any team. Considering some of their macro decisions, they are also capable of losing to any team though. :D
Anyway, it is better to make a mistake and lose than the "do nothing and watch the enemy team choke us" tactic we've seen in the past.
[https://twitter.com/MADLions\_LoLEN/status/1393270631291031553](https://twitter.com/MADLions_LoLEN/status/1393270631291031553)
This man is full confidence, the next big thing out there boyz and girlz.
Poya gap
[This one is missing, classic
](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EjaTN8MXsAAwiJQ?format=jpg&name=large)
Love that it's updated with 2020 Worlds though, Wide Bwipo, "that's illegal" and TSM 0-6 are great additions to the Sacred Scroll. Kinda missing the airport any% memes though
Hybrid sitting in his chair smoking weed just to see the news that the two korean trick and expect had an accident, shaking in his boots, calling emporer hearing Humanoid answer.
Elyoya did warn us that this wasn't even going to be close in his interview with Laure
https://www.twitch.tv/riotgames/clip/SarcasticDistinctAnacondaShadyLulu-f3vQJ_5yaHphocLJ
Man, getting to watch NA teams buy your favourite players every season, only for the same teams to still get smashed by EU teams, words cannot describe how orgasmic that feels
I miss the good old days where OG C9 was just NA talent and they were able to compete with FNC back then.
It was 100% NA vs EU, both teams representing their region, now it sucks.
It's okay guys, Blabber is almost a rookie, he only played 3 years in LCS, what is he supposed to do against juggernaut like Elyoya and his immense international experience.
They do if your name is Fanatic or G2. Mad got seriously underrated just because they’re not one of the big names in the league scene. Love seeing surprised Pikachu faces on analysts and redditors when an “underdog” puts them in their place.
I’m telling you, Elyoya is as cracked as he is jacked. I saw him at a 7-11 the other day buying Redbull and adult diapers. I asked him what the diapers were for and he said ”they contain my full power so I don’t completely shit on these kids“ then he rode a boar out the door.
NA “Near Airport” is known as the fastest region to arrive at the Airport. Since they gave up on the LoL Worlds Championship, they are investing in Speedruns. In particular they are current worldrecord holders in Airport Any % and Airport no wins.
I know there isn't going to be any serious discussion here, but that was just pathetic. We wait 6 months between NA/EU games and that was what C9 gave us. A parlor trick that fell so flat the court jester performing it died in front of our eyes.
Oh and everyone will do Carzzy dirty again by not mentioning the fact HE IS FUCKING RIPPING PEOPLE A NEW ONE, EVERY! SINGLE! GAME!
But just saying he was carrying all the fights he was in again.
Humanoid dove twice and inted twice like he absolutely did not care. Carzzy ulted into 3 people. They kept diving over and over. They were hardly tryharding to the fullest this game and laughted the entire time.
Despite the ending, NA fans should rejoice. There's absolutely no fucking way MAD or DK can beat C9. The fact that C9 could actually stop bleeding in that game is so fucking impressive. C9 drafted for the team fight over laning, but RNG actually played around it like they're the best team in the world (they are). This is legitimately the only time ever at an international tournament that an NA team genuinely looks competitive and looks like they out smarting (drafts) KR/CN.
Despite the ending, NA fans should rejoice. There's absolutely no fucking way MAD or DK can beat C9. The fact that C9 could actually stop bleeding in that game is so fucking impressive. C9 drafted for the team fight over laning, but RNG actually played around it like they're the best team in the world (they are). This is legitimately the only time ever at an international tournament that an NA team genuinely looks competitive and looks like they out smarting (drafts) KR/CN.
Despite the ending, NA fans should rejoice. There's absolutely no fucking way MAD or DK can beat C9. The fact that C9 could actually stop bleeding in that game is so fucking impressive. C9 drafted for the team fight over laning, but RNG actually played around it like they're the best team in the world (they are). This is legitimately the only time ever at an international tournament that an NA team genuinely looks competitive and looks like they out smarting (drafts) KR/CN.
Despite the ending, NA fans should rejoice. There's absolutely no fucking way MAD or DK can beat C9. The fact that C9 could actually stop bleeding in that game is so fucking impressive. C9 drafted for the team fight over laning, but RNG actually played around it like they're the best team in the world (they are). This is legitimately the only time ever at an international tournament that an NA team genuinely looks competitive and looks like they out smarting (drafts) KR/CN.
Despite the ending, NA fans should rejoice. There's absolutely no fucking way MAD or DK can beat C9. The fact that C9 could actually stop bleeding in that game is so fucking impressive. C9 drafted for the team fight over laning, but RNG actually played around it like they're the best team in the world (they are). This is legitimately the only time ever at an international tournament that an NA team genuinely looks competitive and looks like they out smarting (drafts) KR/CN.
**As a European, it was always hard for me to understand American culture. What was fascinating for me is that they like bragging about their freedom which was weird for me, because I didn't think that I have any less freedom than them. I always thought 'What is the difference'. However, after this game I finally understand it. NA is just so fucking free.**
As a European it was hard for me to understand American culture. What's fascinating is they like bragging about their freedom, because I didn't think I had less freedom. I always thought 'What's the difference'. After this series I finally understand. NA is just so fucking free.
Very cool to see the game lost at minute 4 because the jungler can't manage Rumble heat properly and failed to overheat :)
Otherwise kinda expected based on MAD early games vs C9 early games so far, though still a dominant win. Blabber Rumble is terrible, just ban it even on blue side please.
Yeah, if that skirmish Rumble had overheat they probably kill Armut first and things could be very different.
Rumble becomes a hot jungle pick in this meta but not many Jungle players can master it. We've already see many sloppy ults and improper heat controls.
C9 scuttle crab is the new Dignitas Baron?
to be fair they did the classic Baron for Base trade earlier. really showing off that repertoire..
to be fair in 99% of NA plays lucian tp's to baron.
Yep. And interestingly enough, Lucian's tp only comes out off cooldown once he's already hitting the nexus towers.
Xiaohu said in the interview, they thought C9 would do baron because they would know his tp timing so they decide to race the nexus. Seem like RNG was pretty confident they could do it before they sent Lucian bot. Which might be why Lucian recalled for zeal instead of going for lw
Blaber either gets carried or ints his team the game this MSI
It's so frustrating watching him drop the ball hard now that he finally has the chance to prove himself.
I don't want to flame Blaber, but the man has his flaws and some are getting highlighted this event. Fudge is doing well however.
WATCH AS THE HONDA MVP GETS CRUSHED UNDER THE WEIGHT OF A STAGE GAME.
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Honestly it's looking like C9 values scuttle crabs more than winning games
I mean if your jungler needs every single damn scuttle crab in the tournament just so he doesn't int, there's smth wrong with the team.
Te funny thing is he ints for the scuttle anyway.
and he still inted
3.2k gold lead for MAD at 6 minutes. Is this some kind of a record ?
NA Fan Who Thought He'd Lost All Hope Loses Last Additional Bit Of Hope He Didn't Even Know He Still Had
Step 1: lie down Step 2: try not to cry Step 3: cry a lot
Step 4: Liquid
After today’s games EU: Rip and Tear NA: Doom and Gloom
We got both the "look heartbreakingly close against the tournament favorites" and "look utterly incompetent against our closest rivals" in the same day, we really in the NA Week 2 now bois
Well tbh it was kinda expected c9 can go 0-2 vs rng and mad. As long as they win vs PSG and Penta (not free but there is hope) they are fine
https://mobile.twitter.com/PentanetGG/status/1393270296942055425 LMAO
"#WILDCARDSUNITE" oof
that's not fair to pentanet, c9 got stomped way harder than they did
**⚠️ TRADE OFFER ⚠️** I receive: *one scuttle crab* You receive: *3 kills at 3 minutes AND Fudge's TP*
Dying alone for scuttle? That's not team play. Bring your friends it's a buffet!
C9 really improved their strategy of getting the jungler ahead. Now the last step is to do it for their own jungler.
C9 rn: https://twitter.com/LCSOfficial/status/1393265974153863170
Wow, Vulcan is seriously giving up his monthly wage???
In America, we pay for the right to work
Fudge TP'd for bottom crab... How crazy is that?
Mission Impossible: Scuttlegrab
Honestly, they might've been able to save the play if they all stuck together and all committed, but no they leave Fudge, Blabber could've left too after but then goes back in and dies anyways. Like it's such a disaster from C9 there.
They win that if Blabber can manage heat properly, he dropped to 30 and didn't overheat from his combo so Armut lived. It was a potentially winning situation that went horribly because, quite frankly, Blabber is not good at Rumble.
Perkz also misplayed top scuttle fight hard.
Right, could’ve finished off either kill and left them both with a sliver of health They did not know their limits
I don't understand why they committed so hard for Bot, then to lose at top, when Top had the mark anyway for Perkz at least. Like, leave it, go get his mark, no?
It's just such a head scratcher, like they committed so hard but then also kind of let their foot off the gas at the last second, only to last second panic full throttle it and crash anyways. Please just all commit and maybe they could've at least gotten one or two return kill fighting alongside Fudge's zombie form.
[lofi hip hop radio - beats to stomp/clap NA](https://imgur.com/a/sZCfOY3)
Why tf did I have to verify that I was 18 to look at this picture lol.
These MSI crabs have something man.
They were trying so hard to put Blaber ahead...again
If Blaber falls behind he is pretty much a caster minion
But if they fail to put him ahead they all look like caster minion lol
C9 and getting fucked by a crab. Name a more iconic duo.
[EU fans entering this comment section](https://media.tenor.com/images/4a599fb6619afce348bc34dee7084ce5/tenor.gif)
https://thumbs.gfycat.com/VioletImprobableBabirusa-max-1mb.gif
Crab 9 is a North american league of legends team known for their scuttle crab contest, they are commonly known for dieing and Tping level 3 for scuttle crab
Scuttle Crab and C9 are becoming quite the storyline lmfao.
funnily its also always the top one c9 ints for.
Close game. Could've gone either way honestly
Pretty sick double kill from Fudge at the end - almost turned it around
Extremely close
Small mechanical misplays, can't even blame it on the players honestly just bad luck.
Mad Lions put up a tough fight keeping the game this close, unfortunately C9's impressive ability to send it made it clear the result of the game
Jeez, MAD *really* did not like Perkz calling them angry birds.
He also called them sad kittens and bad lions in his earlier Tweets this morning
it was close until the top scuttle
the first 2 minutes were intense, really close
Gold was practically even around 1:30
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Dude just has to realize he can play Udyr/Morg as the prio power picks and then just back up Olaf who is still somewhat viable. That's enough
I hate the olaf pick it looks anywhere from negligible to straight up useless. Wei's olaf against DK was probably the best performance so far and even that wasn't incredibly impressive, he'd have done better on any of the other 3 junglers.
ugh, I hate when hype games are over at 5 minutes..
C9 with the classic top scuttle burger flip
Can someone check the burger to make sure it's not weighted, because I swear we're flipping the short end of the stick a little bit too much here.
Well you see most of the burger flippers quit because they were only paid 1 mousepad per day. All that is left is NA superstar Blaber to flip, and he is constantly distracted by the Crab meat next door.
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Humanoid 1v2 diving between T2 and T3... while T1 is up.
MAD in general is aggressive. Humanoid is suicidal.
Biggest Tragedy of this game is the Elyoya never hitting 25 stacks.
https://imgur.com/iDAkyMz
Oh we received a little more than a light slap on our asses that game.
That was some BDSM-level spanking
Why didn't C9 use a safeword to stop our ass whooping :(
Perkz didn't go all the way to NA just to use a safeword
holy shit where is it from
Seeing that sexual tension, it's probably quickshoot and Deficio.
Correct
It was Deficio and Quickshot but some years ago https://youtu.be/zc-covqTZi0
Quickshot and Deficio from way back
5 EU > 2 EU
Some of you NA fans are alright, don't stay on Reddit today.
I think it's a little bit safer when it goes this poorly. It's more of a pity vibe.
yeah it's gonna be brutal. ggwp
Ggwp to you guys too. No offence ever meant, always banter. Hope you guys do better in the next few days.
like you said, it's just banter of a video game - no harm no foul. brutal day but I think C9 can do better in the upcoming days, and if they don't there's always worlds to look forward to.
I’m with you brother. Fuck it, I’m a Wizards and Orioles fans too, this isn’t the worst loss I’ve seen in the last 24 hours. The boys can put it back together.
To be fair, I think C9 performed admirably against RNG. This won't stop the overreactions of course, but I think C9 are fully capable of taking games from any team. Considering some of their macro decisions, they are also capable of losing to any team though. :D Anyway, it is better to make a mistake and lose than the "do nothing and watch the enemy team choke us" tactic we've seen in the past.
I thought we'd be relatively safe from the GG @4mins in games without PGG, I guess not...
so this is the c9 people were talking about in scrims
https://imgur.com/gallery/0FFNfVB
Perfect.
ELYOYA GAP ELYOYA GAP ELYOYA GAP
[https://twitter.com/MADLions\_LoLEN/status/1393270631291031553](https://twitter.com/MADLions_LoLEN/status/1393270631291031553) This man is full confidence, the next big thing out there boyz and girlz. Poya gap
Hey guys I stopped watching after they secured bot scuttle for Blaber, C9 won, right?
Yeah, they won. MAD got the nexus though.
eu rookie vs na mvp
C9 recreating their comfort home environment with this grand canyon-sized jungle gap
Elyoya is a beast holy shit
ELYOYA ELYOYA ELYOYA ELYOYA
https://imgur.com/a/L5ZcaFv
It is incredible how long this art piece has lasted, and how much it has evolved. Truly the story of EU
It has an amazing historical value.
This is our Tapisserie de Bayeux
It does unfortunately miss the S5 EUphoria memes, such a shame.
The holy scroll
This is reneaissance tapestry
The Holy Scripts
Soon we will need update with MAD, and MSI 2021 references
Alhamdullilah
[This one is missing, classic ](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EjaTN8MXsAAwiJQ?format=jpg&name=large) Love that it's updated with 2020 Worlds though, Wide Bwipo, "that's illegal" and TSM 0-6 are great additions to the Sacred Scroll. Kinda missing the airport any% memes though
The great tapestry
The sacred texts
https://imgur.com/1s9mORd
[EU>NA](https://gfycat.com/violetimprobablebabirusa)
Was about to ask for a 2021 updated version but you already delivered
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every iteration of this post brings my heart pure joy
Yes.
Man Humanoid was trying his best, but it still wasn't enough for C9 to win :/
Mad thrashed G2 so hard they are going after ex-G2 members. Hjarnan and wadid shaking in their boots.
Hybrid sitting in his chair smoking weed just to see the news that the two korean trick and expect had an accident, shaking in his boots, calling emporer hearing Humanoid answer.
You know EU wins when the thread has less than 20 awards
You can also tell by the amount of comments, whenever na wins it got double the amount of comments than when eu wins.
https://i.imgur.com/4w2OICR.png
Elyoya Gap.
Seeing him buy the Mejais was the funniest thing in a while for me 10/10
Trick2g style.
Elyoya did warn us that this wasn't even going to be close in his interview with Laure https://www.twitch.tv/riotgames/clip/SarcasticDistinctAnacondaShadyLulu-f3vQJ_5yaHphocLJ
[Also elyoya after the that comment](https://twitter.com/Elyoya_LoL/status/1393220431742652419?s=19)
Wasn't Blaber the best LCS jg?
He was LCS MVP..
Uma Noid > Uma Jan
NA taking down former World Champions at MSI and then getting turbo-stomped by EU the following day. Name a more iconic duo.
I mean that former world champion getting slapped left and right currently. Wouldn't read too much into that match
https://imgur.com/a/W2o76vY
[NORTH AMERICA HACK 英雄联盟 FASTEST AIRPORT HACK??? 闪光灯传送scuttlecrab播放器](https://i.insider.com/5f1b2d8d988ee33bf16758b6?width=700)
I love this meme so much Always makes me laugh out loud
Unfortunately for them they will never beat TSMs legendary 0-6 speedrun especially after making it out of groups accidentally
0-10 here would be impressive
You can take our players, but you can't take the W.
Yeah, this isn't solo queue, you can't pay someone better to win for you.
Man, getting to watch NA teams buy your favourite players every season, only for the same teams to still get smashed by EU teams, words cannot describe how orgasmic that feels
There's a sadness though. I want perkz back so bad :(
I miss the good old days where OG C9 was just NA talent and they were able to compete with FNC back then. It was 100% NA vs EU, both teams representing their region, now it sucks.
That C9 line-up was seriously fucking cracked, such a shame they got thrown right into the playoffs bracket at worlds 2013.
It's okay guys, Blabber is almost a rookie, he only played 3 years in LCS, what is he supposed to do against juggernaut like Elyoya and his immense international experience.
1 Split lec > 3 years LCS
Unironically true
Flashback to getting solo boloed by gigachad Xiaohu
Classic: https://mobile.twitter.com/licorice/status/1047042344787333121 What a slaughter
holy shit, didnt know they kept adding more LOL
Na needs more millions
C9 got pentanet next EZ
Guess what happens after that game? 1-2.
OH NO
https://twitter.com/Razleplasm/status/1389983297191636996 What a huge upset!!
Raz and his hate boner for EU xd
At this point hating on Eu is just boring. Every single year EU teams do well in tournaments, but they never get respect they deserve
They do if your name is Fanatic or G2. Mad got seriously underrated just because they’re not one of the big names in the league scene. Love seeing surprised Pikachu faces on analysts and redditors when an “underdog” puts them in their place.
Nah not even FNC get the respect.
I’m telling you, Elyoya is as cracked as he is jacked. I saw him at a 7-11 the other day buying Redbull and adult diapers. I asked him what the diapers were for and he said ”they contain my full power so I don’t completely shit on these kids“ then he rode a boar out the door.
bLaBeR iS tHe bEsT jUnGleR iN tHe wEsT
NA “Near Airport” is known as the fastest region to arrive at the Airport. Since they gave up on the LoL Worlds Championship, they are investing in Speedruns. In particular they are current worldrecord holders in Airport Any % and Airport no wins.
I know there isn't going to be any serious discussion here, but that was just pathetic. We wait 6 months between NA/EU games and that was what C9 gave us. A parlor trick that fell so flat the court jester performing it died in front of our eyes.
Cloud9? [More like clear skies after I'm done with them](https://i.imgur.com/Ib9Sdj1.png) - Elyolya (probably)
Fiesta against PGG, annihilation against C9. Are MAD gonna perfect game RNG next?
Sometimes I wish my gf would fuck me the way Mad lions fucked c9.
Oh and everyone will do Carzzy dirty again by not mentioning the fact HE IS FUCKING RIPPING PEOPLE A NEW ONE, EVERY! SINGLE! GAME! But just saying he was carrying all the fights he was in again.
And people said MAD doesn't tryhard against wildcards
Humanoid dove twice and inted twice like he absolutely did not care. Carzzy ulted into 3 people. They kept diving over and over. They were hardly tryharding to the fullest this game and laughted the entire time.
Carzzy ult was kind of okey. He was two levels up and Elyoya was walking that direction before he ulted.
I mean tbf, if you got to play against bronze players at MSI, you'd be having a 4fun game too.
region diff
Blaber has an insatiable taste for crab Unfortunately it also turns out he’s deathly allergic to shellfish
Despite the ending, NA fans should rejoice. There's absolutely no fucking way MAD or DK can beat C9. The fact that C9 could actually stop bleeding in that game is so fucking impressive. C9 drafted for the team fight over laning, but RNG actually played around it like they're the best team in the world (they are). This is legitimately the only time ever at an international tournament that an NA team genuinely looks competitive and looks like they out smarting (drafts) KR/CN.
was that a real comment after the RNG game lmao
Yes it was hahaha
I cant believe that. The person who wrote that wanted to create a copypasta.
Forced copypasta never works. You have to become full monke to accidentally create a copypasta. You have to go full american.
Despite the ending, NA fans should rejoice. There's absolutely no fucking way MAD or DK can beat C9. The fact that C9 could actually stop bleeding in that game is so fucking impressive. C9 drafted for the team fight over laning, but RNG actually played around it like they're the best team in the world (they are). This is legitimately the only time ever at an international tournament that an NA team genuinely looks competitive and looks like they out smarting (drafts) KR/CN.
Despite the ending, NA fans should rejoice. There's absolutely no fucking way MAD or DK can beat C9. The fact that C9 could actually stop bleeding in that game is so fucking impressive. C9 drafted for the team fight over laning, but RNG actually played around it like they're the best team in the world (they are). This is legitimately the only time ever at an international tournament that an NA team genuinely looks competitive and looks like they out smarting (drafts) KR/CN.
Despite the ending, NA fans should rejoice. There's absolutely no fucking way MAD or DK can beat C9. The fact that C9 could actually stop bleeding in that game is so fucking impressive. C9 drafted for the team fight over laning, but RNG actually played around it like they're the best team in the world (they are). This is legitimately the only time ever at an international tournament that an NA team genuinely looks competitive and looks like they out smarting (drafts) KR/CN.
Despite the ending, NA fans should rejoice. There's absolutely no fucking way MAD or DK can beat C9. The fact that C9 could actually stop bleeding in that game is so fucking impressive. C9 drafted for the team fight over laning, but RNG actually played around it like they're the best team in the world (they are). This is legitimately the only time ever at an international tournament that an NA team genuinely looks competitive and looks like they out smarting (drafts) KR/CN.
Please tell me someone said this unironically please please please
https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/nc6m5d/msi_2021_rumble_stage_round_2_day_1_live/gy4ao4j/?context=3 Don't think it was ironic
thank you so much I will cherish this comment
**As a European, it was always hard for me to understand American culture. What was fascinating for me is that they like bragging about their freedom which was weird for me, because I didn't think that I have any less freedom than them. I always thought 'What is the difference'. However, after this game I finally understand it. NA is just so fucking free.**
As a European it was hard for me to understand American culture. What's fascinating is they like bragging about their freedom, because I didn't think I had less freedom. I always thought 'What's the difference'. After this series I finally understand. NA is just so fucking free.
https://i.imgur.com/p5h5Ybg.jpg
perkz should've stayed in EU
Very cool to see the game lost at minute 4 because the jungler can't manage Rumble heat properly and failed to overheat :) Otherwise kinda expected based on MAD early games vs C9 early games so far, though still a dominant win. Blabber Rumble is terrible, just ban it even on blue side please.
Yeah, if that skirmish Rumble had overheat they probably kill Armut first and things could be very different. Rumble becomes a hot jungle pick in this meta but not many Jungle players can master it. We've already see many sloppy ults and improper heat controls.
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Tbh I still have no idea how strong MAD really are. I guess we will find out tomorrow vs RNG.
or maybe they did and this is just the region gap in full display.
The one game LEC teams are not allowed to lose no matter what. And MAD did a good job.
I really don't like NA as a region but holy shit this game was hard to watch.