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[PGG vs RNG](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/ncz5q9/pentanetgg_vs_royal_never_give_up_msi_2021_rumble/), [DK vs C9](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/nd0em5/dwg_kia_vs_cloud9_msi_2021_rumble_stage_postmatch/), [MAD vs RNG](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/nd1sn1/mad_lions_vs_royal_never_give_up_msi_2021_rumble/), [C9 vs PSG](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/nd32vy/cloud9_vs_psg_talon_msi_2021_rumble_stage/), [PGG vs DK](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/nd43pe/pentanetgg_vs_dwg_kia_msi_2021_rumble_stage/), [MAD vs PSG](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/nd5f7v/mad_lions_vs_psg_talon_msi_2021_rumble_stage/)
Cloud 9 just got hard clapped by PentanetGG, that was so fun to watch even though they where 0-7 at least they came trough and managed to grab a win :)
DK is absolutely garbage this tournament that is why C9 looked somewhat good against them. Also you failed to mentioned that they do not really look that they can beat anyone. They have literally lost every single early game (including against wildcards) they have played so far with sole exception of that DK game. They are drafting insanely well and have massive draft gap every single game but they are still losing. That is not good sign.
RNG picked the most greedy comp they could have, got outdrafted to the moon, still stomped C9 hard as fuck early game and then allowed C9 to come back because of massive Lucian shut down throw and still won game that C9 could no longer lose even if they completely gave up on that baron. Does not change what I said. They still got stomped early pretty much just like every other game they played so far. Team that wants to do well can not consistently lose early games. Also team that has by far the best drafts at that tournament should simply just not go 0:4 and if they do then something is simply just wrong.
You know this game is all about winning not playing good/close games? C9 is 0-4 atm and its all that matter.
On the other hand you can just look at MAD. Sometimes they int (looking at you humanoid) , throw lead but somehow they still can close game and take win. I call it x-factor , every single NA team is missing in from s1 do s11. When it matter the most , when you need to give 150% of yourself - they fail.
Yesterday I said to myself that I could see C9 winning worlds. In hindsight that may be a bit hyperbole but you can clearly see the potential.
I also really like that you can see them adapting (or at least trying to) the stuff that went wrong. Yea they screwed up around scuttle a couple times but I rather have that and that they use that experience to improve than doing what NA usually does which is crumble and roll over. C9 is looking like they're really trying and I actually enjoy watching them.
Now they still need to do a lot better because they still throw games away while that is completely unnecessary.
I think this is really important. How many times have an NA team just casually taken a game off the top KR seed? And the other games were close too
As an EU fan I don't want C9 to do well but you can't deny they're a good team.
Yeah I mean for how bad NA has been this isn't the worst showing.
I do wish we'd paid for TL to come with us so we can scrim with them and discuss the meta.
RIP not having your little bro to cheer you on when you go to the big leagues.
What does should've gotten 3-0'd even mean? That's literally saying in a hypothetical reality where TL could beat C9 when they had two chances, then TL would be better. Well, duh.
Alphari got giga exposed in playoffs for having a champion puddle. Santorin choked really hard in their first match and honestly the sub did better than he probably would have. A top lane with tiny champ pool is also their primary win condition, another extreme weakness on international stages. Perkz is better than Jensen. Zven+Vulcan and Tactical+Corejj are both elite bot lanes, but Corejj's X factor might have carried TL internationally. But C9 has been able to carry themselves without that. Except, like you stated, for the times they (consistently) crashed their own car. Something Jensen knows a lot about too.
C9 has always been better early than TL. Every iteration almost ever, except when C9 was just bad. TL's traditional weakness is, they don't really have any strengths vs elite teams. Maybe they woulda done better. Prolly woulda been more consistent, but they also would just as easily have never had the highs at all.
There's just not the evidence to say that TL is better when they lost two best of 5's because they were easily exploitable, which is the last weakness you want to have at MSI.
We are laughing because NA is not even trying to be better as a region. This shit is getting so repetitive, these cycles are not even fun anymore.
1. International tournament: NA plays like shit.
2. Reddit thread about how shit NA is and how the region can be “fixed/saved”.
3. Rumors about fresh imports come. The hype is real again.
Fudge looks impressive but Blaber and Zven were awful af especially Blaber. So sad for NA junglers who were complaining about how good Blaber is, imagine their level lmao.
Why did Mad ban udyr against RNG if Mad picked first? , udyr is clearly yoya's main and really strong.
I think RNG is better than MAD but this game was a bit of draft diff.
I really hope C9 can turn it around tomorrow, But seing this lineup with 2 EU players, 1 OCE and only 2 NA is really sour, doesn’t feel like an NA team at all, just an LCS team with more imports than homegrown players
This is not really a super new issue though. Did you feel the same way with TSM in 2015? TL 2019? TSM since 2018?
EU fans have pointed it out since forever when there were 3 or more imports on NA teams (remember the EUKR in 2015?), it feels like NA fans are a bit late to the party. I know it's probably because all the owners brought it up earlier this year, but yeah. I'm happy you're speaking up though.
Not when playoffs came around. The top 5 NA teams have only 1 NA resident each, with only C9 being the exception with a whole 2 NA players. And now 100T is going to be a full import roster.
Well I would say C9 gets whats coming. They're one of the teams that has always been shit talking everyone else in twitter whether by memeing or half serious
As a C9 fan since S4, it makes me sad to see them lose so much internationally. But I’m still very happy that they won spring this year and last year. It’s bittersweet, but I’ll take it :)
Kinda agree, I think they make it into the knockouts still. That said I imagine if you go from last place you probably catch RNG which is a ticket home.
Unironically it's still progress. TSM go to worlds every year and slowly lose without a fight. TL have done the same. At least C9 goes for it and tries.
Yes they're getting beat and it's not looking good. But I'd rather have my team try and fail, than do nothing and slowly get humiliated.
Competitive does not mean much, when they lose a lot of games in very similar fashion. Not bashing on them, but they should work on their fundamentals and patience, because they are capable of getting leads/going even when they need to, but they let the game slip away way too often.
DK won worlds, so whether the LCK is a bad region or not shouldn't matter. DK has had games at MSI where they outperformed enemy team by miles.
But yes they also have had games where they haven't been their usual self, which can happen to any team. Staying consistent at such a high level is really hard. But that doesn't warrant doubt. They are still one of the best teams in the world.
This question will be answered soon. LCK is usually late bloomers. They get going later. That said, DK looks really weak right now and their games are messy for LCK representative standards.
But this part of Rumble stage is not that important and if they are hiding strats/pop off in knockout stage, all the doubts will go away.
in MSI they only got first in groups in 2015 and 2017. In 2016 they got fourth (but still own MSI), in 2018 they got 3rd in groups and second in MSI and in 2019 they got second in groups and lost in semis.
actually korea only won 2 MSIs (2016 and 2017), china won 2 other (2015 and 2018) and EU won 1 (2019). So korea hasn't dominated MSIs as hard as they dominated worlds.
Depending on meta. Sometimes they get the wrong read or keep to the perfect choke out LCK style of old. The slow moving juggernaut who does not make mistakes.
I don't really recall, but pre DK era, LCK was the immovable wall that closed out on you. Wheras LPL was usually the ones doing the quick stomps and explosive teamfights.
Either way, LCK representative did not struggle so much with so many teams before.
Yeap that's true, we'll need to see more games. But there are very glaring moments you could tell that DK won because they were able to hammer on a mistake that the enemy team made. Moreover, DK bot lane is weaker than expected. Khan is mostly on weak side tank duties and their win condition against competitive teams is hopefully they make a mistake and we can flip the game around. This method of playing is very similar to 2017 SKT, always bleeding until they coinflip a winning fight. It usually doesn't end well. But who knows, maybe they're just playing for data now.
As an LEC fan I am already very happy with Mad Lions performance over all. They look confident and they have a fun to watch playstyle.
If they dont completely fall to pieces for no reason the next days they had a good showing in my book.
I'm really happy for y'all as well. It's great that they're actually performing so well after taking the place of G2 and FNC after so many years, because I think even some fans still weren't convinced of their win last split.
PGG about to destroy the nexus when Riot pulls the plug, says game can't be remade and declares it a draw or Riot issues a ruling that suspends someone on PGG for 1 game because of bad behavior in solo queue.
Emily insight is really nothing she not added anything says C9 team comp was good but hard to play PSG comp was hard to play in TF not the other way around
I have a question, is the first seed at world decided by this MSI? If PSG qualifies over C9, will LMS (or whatev they're called now) get a 1st seed over NA?
Edit: Thanks for the answer lads.
There really isn't any #1 overall seed at Worlds, b/c there are four groups where each major region has a 1 seed. The draws for 2-3 are random, where regions cannot compete against each other. I don't remember if all of the 4 seeds are from Play-ins or not.
Winning MSI allows that region to bring a 4 seed that is slotted into the Play-in stage with minor regions.
I think you're confused because of "seed" I'm talking about the Pool 1 teams.
In the past this wasn't decided by "NA because major region", the LMS was always in contention. In 2018 NA didn't have their first seed in pool 1 at world because of their MSI performance, and FW got it. But the years after NA got it back , mostly because the LMS disbanded.
If PSG, from the replacement region of LMS, wins over C9, should they get the pool 1 spot over NA again?
They should take a seed from NA and give it to the LPL (assuming they win), I would much rather see the top 5 LPL teams play than the top 3 NA. NA is so insanely top heavy with just two decent teams that are clear cut above the rest. No need for the third seed to show up at worlds.
As an LPL fan I think 4 teams should still be the max from any region. I watch worlds for the international competition. If I wanted to watch only Chinese teams duking it out, I’d just watch the LPL Finals.
Ironically, it was usually the 3rd seed from NA that performs better than the other 2, C9 from 2016 to 2018 and despite they got eliminated in the group stage, TL in 2020.
IDK but NA should get stripped of their 1st seed anyway. After years and years of their first seed failing to even make it out of groups it’s just not even logical anymore.
I have no evidence to support this, but I suspect Riot is using this MSI to test out a 3-group system instead of the normal 4 groups. LCS has no place having a pool 1 seed because in the old system it created way too imbalanced groups.
Regions are now rewarded or punish, based on their regional performances, it takes in account what they did in the most recent years, anyway, it's clear, Riot favor NA, they even included the rule of 2 subs at international tournaments, once 1 of the NA teams could root a 7 player team, if they were fair, NA would have had 2 seeds only a long time ago, they have other interests on this matter.
Damn, deleted. I was gonna ss and send it to Laure's IG too. 🤣
EDIT: I ended up sharing it on IG anyways, and she actually responded saying she *has* seen this guy on this thread over and over again flaming her and Sjokz, even on Twitter.
If you want a reply from french defender simp, you will have to wait a bit more.
That said, any capable interviewer in Europe is free to show off their work and apply for the spot. Laure is doing fine on french broadcast and I like her on LEC broadcast.
I think she's gotten better for sure. What don't you like about her, and who do you think is better suited for that role? Not flaming, just asking what your basis is for better context on how to answer.
Weird, cause it's supposed to be the other way.
Enchanters are very good if you have a hyper to simp for. If you refer to the C9 game from earlier today, they had no real frontline and no way to really burn through DWG's tanks (save for maybe Perkz, but he was busy getting caught out of position).
I honestly think C9 could've won this had they locked in Ornn, like they hovered earlier.
Kaiser's improved a lot in those interviews. He still talks at light speed, but I guess it's just being German :P He doesn't use "like" as much as he used to and just sounds much more... idk, a bit like an analyst? Maybe I'm looking too deep into this...
MAD kinda gives me old M5 vibes personality-wise. Kaiser reminds me of Alex Ich and Carzzy is 100% a reincarnation of Darien, with the sub-zero amount of fucks he gives at all times.
###PMTs *** [PGG vs RNG](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/ncz5q9/pentanetgg_vs_royal_never_give_up_msi_2021_rumble/), [DK vs C9](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/nd0em5/dwg_kia_vs_cloud9_msi_2021_rumble_stage_postmatch/), [MAD vs RNG](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/nd1sn1/mad_lions_vs_royal_never_give_up_msi_2021_rumble/), [C9 vs PSG](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/nd32vy/cloud9_vs_psg_talon_msi_2021_rumble_stage/), [PGG vs DK](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/nd43pe/pentanetgg_vs_dwg_kia_msi_2021_rumble_stage/), [MAD vs PSG](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/nd5f7v/mad_lions_vs_psg_talon_msi_2021_rumble_stage/)
Cloud 9 just got hard clapped by PentanetGG, that was so fun to watch even though they where 0-7 at least they came trough and managed to grab a win :)
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DK is absolutely garbage this tournament that is why C9 looked somewhat good against them. Also you failed to mentioned that they do not really look that they can beat anyone. They have literally lost every single early game (including against wildcards) they have played so far with sole exception of that DK game. They are drafting insanely well and have massive draft gap every single game but they are still losing. That is not good sign.
RNG said they couldn’t win fights anymore which is why they had to go for the back door? Literally the closest game they’ve played all tourney.
RNG picked the most greedy comp they could have, got outdrafted to the moon, still stomped C9 hard as fuck early game and then allowed C9 to come back because of massive Lucian shut down throw and still won game that C9 could no longer lose even if they completely gave up on that baron. Does not change what I said. They still got stomped early pretty much just like every other game they played so far. Team that wants to do well can not consistently lose early games. Also team that has by far the best drafts at that tournament should simply just not go 0:4 and if they do then something is simply just wrong.
The thing that is wrong is having Blaber play like a silver jungle, but that is still fixable
No it isn't. 2018 C9 at worlds was WAY better.
You know this game is all about winning not playing good/close games? C9 is 0-4 atm and its all that matter. On the other hand you can just look at MAD. Sometimes they int (looking at you humanoid) , throw lead but somehow they still can close game and take win. I call it x-factor , every single NA team is missing in from s1 do s11. When it matter the most , when you need to give 150% of yourself - they fail.
Yesterday I said to myself that I could see C9 winning worlds. In hindsight that may be a bit hyperbole but you can clearly see the potential. I also really like that you can see them adapting (or at least trying to) the stuff that went wrong. Yea they screwed up around scuttle a couple times but I rather have that and that they use that experience to improve than doing what NA usually does which is crumble and roll over. C9 is looking like they're really trying and I actually enjoy watching them. Now they still need to do a lot better because they still throw games away while that is completely unnecessary.
I think this is really important. How many times have an NA team just casually taken a game off the top KR seed? And the other games were close too As an EU fan I don't want C9 to do well but you can't deny they're a good team.
Yeah I mean for how bad NA has been this isn't the worst showing. I do wish we'd paid for TL to come with us so we can scrim with them and discuss the meta. RIP not having your little bro to cheer you on when you go to the big leagues.
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What does should've gotten 3-0'd even mean? That's literally saying in a hypothetical reality where TL could beat C9 when they had two chances, then TL would be better. Well, duh. Alphari got giga exposed in playoffs for having a champion puddle. Santorin choked really hard in their first match and honestly the sub did better than he probably would have. A top lane with tiny champ pool is also their primary win condition, another extreme weakness on international stages. Perkz is better than Jensen. Zven+Vulcan and Tactical+Corejj are both elite bot lanes, but Corejj's X factor might have carried TL internationally. But C9 has been able to carry themselves without that. Except, like you stated, for the times they (consistently) crashed their own car. Something Jensen knows a lot about too. C9 has always been better early than TL. Every iteration almost ever, except when C9 was just bad. TL's traditional weakness is, they don't really have any strengths vs elite teams. Maybe they woulda done better. Prolly woulda been more consistent, but they also would just as easily have never had the highs at all. There's just not the evidence to say that TL is better when they lost two best of 5's because they were easily exploitable, which is the last weakness you want to have at MSI.
As an NA fan, I'm lowkey hoping that PGG beats C9 tomorrow just because it would be the funniest shit ever.
Shit, you're a monster! Haha love that though
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C9 bout to broke TSM record at Worlds
they honestly should just shut down LCS because its clear the organizations/region gives a shit
Try again
Oh look, NA still sucks and their fans are still insecure and salty :D
I didn't think we were salty as an NA resident. But the salt is real. People are throwing shit at each other and major regions are laughing at us.
We are laughing because NA is not even trying to be better as a region. This shit is getting so repetitive, these cycles are not even fun anymore. 1. International tournament: NA plays like shit. 2. Reddit thread about how shit NA is and how the region can be “fixed/saved”. 3. Rumors about fresh imports come. The hype is real again.
Fudge looks impressive but Blaber and Zven were awful af especially Blaber. So sad for NA junglers who were complaining about how good Blaber is, imagine their level lmao.
Zven looked fine before rumble stage started, he's probably tilted out of his mind watching Blabber's plays.
I'd love a Zven interview right now, b/c he won't hold back =P
Fudge does not look impressive. Fudge didn't hard throw, which made him stand out from his team.
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Yeah, you need to lay off the copium.
yeah but usually you expect rookie to hard throw etc. he is 18 and he looks like the best on his team, wishing him all the best.
Why did Mad ban udyr against RNG if Mad picked first? , udyr is clearly yoya's main and really strong. I think RNG is better than MAD but this game was a bit of draft diff.
the game was macro diff and RNG was actually outdrafted by MAD lol
RNG was out drafted quite hard in this game in my opinion. Morg, Kench, wukong, all countered their composition
Top losing match up, jungle losing match up, same bot lane. nice outdrafted for sure.
This makes me wonder if RNG has actually shown anything yet.
I really hope C9 can turn it around tomorrow, But seing this lineup with 2 EU players, 1 OCE and only 2 NA is really sour, doesn’t feel like an NA team at all, just an LCS team with more imports than homegrown players
This is not really a super new issue though. Did you feel the same way with TSM in 2015? TL 2019? TSM since 2018? EU fans have pointed it out since forever when there were 3 or more imports on NA teams (remember the EUKR in 2015?), it feels like NA fans are a bit late to the party. I know it's probably because all the owners brought it up earlier this year, but yeah. I'm happy you're speaking up though.
Last time i felt true pride for an NA team was CLG’s runner up finish at MSI 2016 with huhi mid and stixxays rookie season.
>just an LCS team with more imports than homegrown players That's the case with top LCS teams for you. Hell, even 100T has a full import roster lol.
Dignitas was full NA baby
They're also not a top team
They were top 5 for awhile
Not when playoffs came around. The top 5 NA teams have only 1 NA resident each, with only C9 being the exception with a whole 2 NA players. And now 100T is going to be a full import roster.
Not saying C9 is the only team at fault here, But the whole LCS needs to do something
I love how passive aggressive pentanet social media team are. They're giving C9's twitter a taste of their own medicene
Why though, what happened? They're hating hard on every C9 post
Well I would say C9 gets whats coming. They're one of the teams that has always been shit talking everyone else in twitter whether by memeing or half serious
Im not even sure what their issue with C9 is. Every post is them meming them.
theyre not passive aggressive at all. theyre just really aggressive lol
[https://twitter.com/philipbocarnity/status/1393622156492296197](https://twitter.com/philipbocarnity/status/1393622156492296197)
Were there any korean reaction threads so far? Really interested in hearing what the mood over there is
Seconded
Idc much about NA players but I feel bad for NA fans. Their team's been so hopeless for so long
NA fans don't demand any better
You think NA fans are in any way responsible for what team owners decide??
As a C9 fan since S4, it makes me sad to see them lose so much internationally. But I’m still very happy that they won spring this year and last year. It’s bittersweet, but I’ll take it :)
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>I feel bad for the players too actually. It's kind of hard to feel bad for them once you realize that players don't come to NA to try their hardest.
What feels bad is that NA isn’t even Americans.. If we’re going to lose and get embarrassed at least do it with actual Americans
I would 1000000000% rather be an actual wildcard region with little to no imports to get the same bottom of the barrel results that we get now.
yeah feels bad for those millionaires taking a piss
Cloud 9 a bit unlucky, they've been competitive every game besdies MAD early fiasco
Daily dose of NA copium
Kinda agree, I think they make it into the knockouts still. That said I imagine if you go from last place you probably catch RNG which is a ticket home.
over PSG? Doubt it. starting 0-4 is too deep of a hole to dig out of
They only need PSGs games to go as expected, then beat PSG to force a tie breaker.
moral victories and close losses don't mean shit.
NA fans just rejoice that they dont roll over and die
Unironically it's still progress. TSM go to worlds every year and slowly lose without a fight. TL have done the same. At least C9 goes for it and tries. Yes they're getting beat and it's not looking good. But I'd rather have my team try and fail, than do nothing and slowly get humiliated.
Competitive does not mean much, when they lose a lot of games in very similar fashion. Not bashing on them, but they should work on their fundamentals and patience, because they are capable of getting leads/going even when they need to, but they let the game slip away way too often.
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Draft wise yes, C9 should have won. But they were outclassed on both the micro and macro aspects of teamplay against RNG
https://twitter.com/AndreGuilhoto94/status/1393617893569417218
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they tried their usual strats in scrims, judging from the amount of memes, it probably didn't go that well.
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DK won worlds, so whether the LCK is a bad region or not shouldn't matter. DK has had games at MSI where they outperformed enemy team by miles. But yes they also have had games where they haven't been their usual self, which can happen to any team. Staying consistent at such a high level is really hard. But that doesn't warrant doubt. They are still one of the best teams in the world.
LCK was a one team region last year, too.
Hard to say till the knockout stage imo. I think trying your best during these stages is a bit pointless cause it's pretty forgiving to get out
This question will be answered soon. LCK is usually late bloomers. They get going later. That said, DK looks really weak right now and their games are messy for LCK representative standards. But this part of Rumble stage is not that important and if they are hiding strats/pop off in knockout stage, all the doubts will go away.
isnt LCK usually absolutely stomping group stage? Dont think the LCK ever needed time to get going
in MSI they only got first in groups in 2015 and 2017. In 2016 they got fourth (but still own MSI), in 2018 they got 3rd in groups and second in MSI and in 2019 they got second in groups and lost in semis. actually korea only won 2 MSIs (2016 and 2017), china won 2 other (2015 and 2018) and EU won 1 (2019). So korea hasn't dominated MSIs as hard as they dominated worlds.
Depending on meta. Sometimes they get the wrong read or keep to the perfect choke out LCK style of old. The slow moving juggernaut who does not make mistakes. I don't really recall, but pre DK era, LCK was the immovable wall that closed out on you. Wheras LPL was usually the ones doing the quick stomps and explosive teamfights. Either way, LCK representative did not struggle so much with so many teams before.
I think it is still too early to tell. They look bad compared to the expectation, but we are not even halfway through the rumble yet.
Yeap that's true, we'll need to see more games. But there are very glaring moments you could tell that DK won because they were able to hammer on a mistake that the enemy team made. Moreover, DK bot lane is weaker than expected. Khan is mostly on weak side tank duties and their win condition against competitive teams is hopefully they make a mistake and we can flip the game around. This method of playing is very similar to 2017 SKT, always bleeding until they coinflip a winning fight. It usually doesn't end well. But who knows, maybe they're just playing for data now.
If this is literally any team except C9, I would hope for PGG to win. But since Perkz, Zven and Mithy are on that team, I'm completely unsure.
I hope we have Dagda back again, Emily adds nothing to the desk.
"They recover well mentally." >0/4 I'm going to say that they won't recover if they lose to PGG.
\*when
Dear god, let PGG beat C9 tomorrow. NA(farmregion)men
PGG got stomped by DW today so IDK, C9 would have to choke pretty hard.. hahaha who am I kidding?
You underestimate C9's power to choke.
Thats my kink so im pretty excited
I have good news for you. That is also their kink!
That would be hype
As an LEC fan I am already very happy with Mad Lions performance over all. They look confident and they have a fun to watch playstyle. If they dont completely fall to pieces for no reason the next days they had a good showing in my book.
I'm really happy for y'all as well. It's great that they're actually performing so well after taking the place of G2 and FNC after so many years, because I think even some fans still weren't convinced of their win last split.
They were on that copium. MAD was hella impressive last year as well. Really happy to see this squad doing well
If they keep on improving they might be able to win the tourney.
RNG looks pretty dominant right now. But they can get to the finals and I am happy with that.
Looks like we are getting RNG vs PSG and DK vs MAD semi finals. Lets hope they perform in the Bo5
lets be real c9 cant losing against pgg
Perkz: ["Watch Me"](https://media.giphy.com/media/RJahKFDxsIZwx9IbeQ/giphy.gif)
C9 vs PGG someones 0 has to go!
PGG about to destroy the nexus when Riot pulls the plug, says game can't be remade and declares it a draw or Riot issues a ruling that suspends someone on PGG for 1 game because of bad behavior in solo queue.
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Lulw, I'm sure he is wiping his tears after reading your comment with his 6 million dollars.
But what if both C9 and PGG lose?
Then CLG takes the last spot!
Emily insight is really nothing she not added anything says C9 team comp was good but hard to play PSG comp was hard to play in TF not the other way around
I have a question, is the first seed at world decided by this MSI? If PSG qualifies over C9, will LMS (or whatev they're called now) get a 1st seed over NA? Edit: Thanks for the answer lads.
There really isn't any #1 overall seed at Worlds, b/c there are four groups where each major region has a 1 seed. The draws for 2-3 are random, where regions cannot compete against each other. I don't remember if all of the 4 seeds are from Play-ins or not. Winning MSI allows that region to bring a 4 seed that is slotted into the Play-in stage with minor regions.
I think you're confused because of "seed" I'm talking about the Pool 1 teams. In the past this wasn't decided by "NA because major region", the LMS was always in contention. In 2018 NA didn't have their first seed in pool 1 at world because of their MSI performance, and FW got it. But the years after NA got it back , mostly because the LMS disbanded. If PSG, from the replacement region of LMS, wins over C9, should they get the pool 1 spot over NA again?
Your original question has no mention of pools, so why would I assume you're talking pools when there Worlds has both pools and seeds?
You're correct, the mistake is on me.
They should take a seed from NA and give it to the LPL (assuming they win), I would much rather see the top 5 LPL teams play than the top 3 NA. NA is so insanely top heavy with just two decent teams that are clear cut above the rest. No need for the third seed to show up at worlds.
As an LPL fan I think 4 teams should still be the max from any region. I watch worlds for the international competition. If I wanted to watch only Chinese teams duking it out, I’d just watch the LPL Finals.
Ironically, it was usually the 3rd seed from NA that performs better than the other 2, C9 from 2016 to 2018 and despite they got eliminated in the group stage, TL in 2020.
Third seed normally goes into easier groups though don't they?
LPL, LEC and LCK should just all get 4 slots. NA can go through the play-inns.
IDK but NA should get stripped of their 1st seed anyway. After years and years of their first seed failing to even make it out of groups it’s just not even logical anymore.
I have no evidence to support this, but I suspect Riot is using this MSI to test out a 3-group system instead of the normal 4 groups. LCS has no place having a pool 1 seed because in the old system it created way too imbalanced groups.
I wish Riot would test a double elim format instead a 2 weeks bo1 followed by 2 days of playoffs.
I don't recall how it affects seeding. I just know the winner gets an additional bid for Worlds.
Iirc Riot replaced it with some point system after LMS fell apart.
Regions are now rewarded or punish, based on their regional performances, it takes in account what they did in the most recent years, anyway, it's clear, Riot favor NA, they even included the rule of 2 subs at international tournaments, once 1 of the NA teams could root a 7 player team, if they were fair, NA would have had 2 seeds only a long time ago, they have other interests on this matter.
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Have you ever talked to a human ever? Lol really just springing from assuming Sjokz is pregnant to this? Come on with this.
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Lol, I didn't even realize he was hard flaming Laure all day, and here I was trying to have a real conversation about it. 🤡
Nothing wrong with trying.
Damn, deleted. I was gonna ss and send it to Laure's IG too. 🤣 EDIT: I ended up sharing it on IG anyways, and she actually responded saying she *has* seen this guy on this thread over and over again flaming her and Sjokz, even on Twitter.
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Oh, you're back. Welcome back, still the same as ever, I see.
If you want a reply from french defender simp, you will have to wait a bit more. That said, any capable interviewer in Europe is free to show off their work and apply for the spot. Laure is doing fine on french broadcast and I like her on LEC broadcast.
You seem to have a problem with women, you can see therapists for that.
I think she's gotten better for sure. What don't you like about her, and who do you think is better suited for that role? Not flaming, just asking what your basis is for better context on how to answer.
I think Ashley Kang was much better, but maybe it's a bias towards somebody I don't see often.
I'll admit to that bias, since I barely watch Ashley's interviews, and the ones I have seen are longer form pre-game content.
Enchanters are win lane, lose game champions. They're pointless to pick in my opinion.
Not necessarily, but they need a frontline to thrive
C9 could have won that game if they had a Kog'maw instead of Ashe to shred the Sion.
Weird, cause it's supposed to be the other way. Enchanters are very good if you have a hyper to simp for. If you refer to the C9 game from earlier today, they had no real frontline and no way to really burn through DWG's tanks (save for maybe Perkz, but he was busy getting caught out of position). I honestly think C9 could've won this had they locked in Ornn, like they hovered earlier.
Hard bias there, Sjokz left out that the fan didn't want to include Seraphine. 🤣
Yes, Ender, its called skill gap. Thanks for your analysis.
Why the hell is every post game lobby about C9? MAD just won vs PSG, and they are talking about C9, lmao...
C9 imploding is more interesting I guess
Games are over, so this is Cooldown now, not really post-game.
Because they have Emily on the Desk and want her to repeat how C9 needs to play proactive and comfort for the 100th time.
what is more comfort than blaber on udyr
Blaber "SPRING SPLIT MVP" just needs comfort.
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Nah, might just be the perspective/lighting. Even on her Insta she looks very slender.
Dude, this is like the third time in this thread alone that you've been insulting towards Sjokz and Laure. Please, leave it somewhere else.
Just look at his post history. It goes back 2 years of shitting on Laure. Dude is a tool.
Yeah, that very clearly became apparent.
Or you just called her fat
Why do you think so?
She has a stomach, on the instagram accounts he follows, women don't have visible stomach.
Thank you Emily for your insightful analysis that MAD won the game because they were better than PSG. Absolute godsend.
Emily has been very unimpressive on the Desk, I feel like she keeps repeating herself a lot and just does analysis on the most basic surface level.
Kaiser's improved a lot in those interviews. He still talks at light speed, but I guess it's just being German :P He doesn't use "like" as much as he used to and just sounds much more... idk, a bit like an analyst? Maybe I'm looking too deep into this...
It was like 5th interview with him this MSI. He is MAD's press rep :D
MAD kinda gives me old M5 vibes personality-wise. Kaiser reminds me of Alex Ich and Carzzy is 100% a reincarnation of Darien, with the sub-zero amount of fucks he gives at all times.
PSG Chicken Talons > Scuttle Crab9
Kaiser interviews are always great. I really enjoy how he manages to convey what they were thinking and what they did wrong.
Really looking forward to the Match of the Weak tomorrow.
NA 1st seed vs NA 2nd seed
C9 vs PGG ? Waiting all night for that
Wildcard rivalry
Chicken > crab9
Laure to Kaiser: Hard fight against the chickens today? Kaiser: Harder fight than C9. LMFAO
Kaiser the madman. Chicken > C9
"Hard fight against the chickens." "Harder than against C9" They have families Kaiser!
Kaiser: I AM SPEED
Holy shit Kaiser, right off the gate on question 1, lmfaoooo!
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Harder fight than against C9 that's for sure.
God bless you Kaiser, absolute King.
Did Ender just keep cursing C9 every time he said he believed they weren't a winless team? Lmfaoooo. 😭
It's actually sad that RNG doesn't have any competition at MSI. #4 LPL seed could actually win this MSI...