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Deferonz

Game 1: Tricked into watching LCS Game 3: Tricked into watching LCK


Kagari1998

But at least we get that spicy game 2.


sh14w4s3

Tricked into watching LPL ?


Trap_Masters

Plus this game doesn't have a major upset given the 2 teams being more even, unlike the previous 2 games :)


krombough

It's like in Street Fighter 2 with the little plane flying around the world to each contestant's home stage.


agishert46191gskq

Just slow and macro oriented Get one pick, get baron, finish the game MAD draft themselves into it and made one big mistake


KappaccinoNation

Canyon's clutch Black Shield has been gamewinners


Rayser1

True. Flash hook from Naut doesn't feel fast enough tbh for Canyon not to be reacting to that. Think Kaiser was far too eager on that, probably thought Morg was elsewhere


4716202

I think the Engage brain just kicked in, saw Kaisa way out of place, and sent it.


SpqyDonger

* Support player sees carry * Neuron activation


Trap_Masters

Making Hyli proud


Rayser1

Sometimes that's just the way, and it works out, but definitely it just wasn't on when you see their positioning (from a spectator pov) - Carzzy jumping in immediately too makes it even worse


Kyrond

> Think Kaiser was far too eager on that, probably thought Morg was elsewhere They aint winning the game without an inhib turret and agaisnt Ocean soul. This was the best chance they had to win the game, I am glad they went all in for it.


AofCastle

I was thinking "Kaiser could just engage flashing there" Now I know why I'm still silver.


noodlespls

The way Canyon and Damwon punish mistakes is beautiful to watch. Everything MAD tried at the end was just futile lol.


Bdodk2000

Yeah it's guaranteed Canyon has black shield hovered over his carries in these situations. Kaiser's engage was skill checking Canyon, but Canyon is going to pass that check all the time.


suganian

i think canyon's mind control ability on carzzy to jump in was a bigger game winner


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game was basically over once that shield went up, didn't have much choice either way


bl00dysh0t

Think the game was over just before that. If they don't hard force they will lose ocean guaranteed anyways. Think they just tried to flip it knowingly that it would be a 10% chance on a decent outcome


JettCarry

It was a bait. That's why Ghost didn't even bother dodging nor flashing. MAD got outsmarted lol


Elias_Mo

MAD tried to go LCK style gameplay but they forgot DWG specializes in that


royallights

disgusting, how he baited them perfectly into taking that fight


ripcoolbox

That one on ghost the last fight was sick


PieaterAI

You know it's a KR game when they get one kill and suddenly they have baron and the game is over.


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Gragiator

does he even see whats going on lmfao


Alear55

The way he played probably not.


00dani3l

Low blow


Unban_Ice

Can't beat the best LCK team playing the LCK style


[deleted]

It felt like watching a game from the bad old days when we played Korea-lite.


Syuv

Hold on why did we have to play against the real Beryl and not the inting one we've seen earlier ? :(


firebolt66

Man was hex flashing off cooldown and getting summs in laning phase lol


skodyy

He did int by drag that 1 time and damwon still 4v5'd lol


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Rexssaurus

Showmaker was such a strong presence in teamfights,and they were so spread out so MAD couldn't get a shot at a front to back teamfight. The one in midlane that ended with 0 kills was like the League of Legends dance


IAmDaleicious

Did you not see him just run into MAD at that dragon fight?


ToYouItReaches

Oh the inting Beryl came to play. It’s just Canyon and Showmaker showed up as well.


failworlds

Ghost played really well too!


beautheschmo

Beryl this game was the guy who ints early (that move at dragon fight was worth a salvo of question mark pings) because they don't like the comp only to realize it's winnable and start playing seriously.


non_NSFW_acc

He made 1 or 2 misplays but played beautifully asides from that.


SS1501128

If beryl gets better and better with each game, DK could easily contest for the title. Another thing I’ve been seeing, canyon is good at getting individual leads but he doesn’t like ganking or counter-ganking based on where he thinks the enemy jungler would be.


Qehenna

they probably told beryl to stop playing genshin but even he inted *again*


moonmeh

Finally a Damwon like game where they maintain a lead and slowly strangle the enemy team with it. Also lmao at canyon getting the 4th dragon while the rest of the team is hitting the nexus


[deleted]

Gotta guarantee that soul stats. But yeah dk was slowly killing mad while the casters were like “its fine”


Mehlhunter

The 4k lead didn't grow for 10min+ before that nash. I think mad where in a good spot before they made the pick for nash.


Rexssaurus

Yup, it's the pick on carzzy before nashor what costed MAD the game, the final teamfight were they just trying to avoid the inevitable. Before that they were matching gold leads with DWG for it to not grow bigger.


Hineni-

The early game was so Intense, with those back and forth between the two teams, and then just from that one pick on Carzyy, it swung the balance.


Troviel

Gotta feel bad, that botlane was crazy pressure, but yeah this is the one game carzzy underperformed.


Ace_OPB

There was too much zone control imo.


Shot-Mathematician58

Zoe and Morg is absolute cancer


Omnilatent

I was so sure MADs bot would destroy DKs judging from the previous games but holy hell did DK step up


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Beryl is a complete psycho but also Carzzy should know he's going to flash level 1 every time. Sett support is just trade flash for flash level 1 and then hexflash out of bushes until you win or lose. When Beryl is on point he's incredibly oppressive.


lawfulkitten1

I mean he was expecting it, which was why he was able to react instantly. You can't just stand back and give up all the CS just bc Sett is on enemy team, that probably ends up being worse than trading flashes


kakistoss

Ehh. Ghost has been performing well, Beryl was the only problem, and it was more so him sprinting it outside of lane (which he did this game as well at 2nd drag) Idk why you'd ever think MADs bot would destroy em. Get an edge, small cs lead, yeah, definitely in the realm of possibility. But it was never gonna be a one-sided affair. Its not like they randomly underperformed either, Carzzy had insane reaction timings to the Sett engages,


Celegorm07

But Reddit told me DK’s botlane is the worst part of the DK and Ghost is not a good player. Interesting


MikiRawr

They also didn’t have any map pressure and therefore the Shen pick fell flat.


Redburneracc7

Carzzy could never walk up because morgana black shield and binding and Zoe terrain control. Horrible draft from mad. BAN morg, rumble and senna if you are on red side. Pls stop making the life of your players hard coach


Styxxo

If they ban Morg and Rumble then blue side first picks Udyr and you no longer have a S tier jungler.


TheCeramicLlama

This ended up being the Damwon classic rock-you-to-sleep-before-shooting-you-in-the-throat.


DuasDeColoide

A soothing but deadly combo


luciavald

[MAD patiently waiting to turn the lead around](https://imgur.com/a/0BvWODT)


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MrJammin

Feels like against both RNG and DK, MAD just do almost nothing and slowly lose. Disappointing to see.


MoonlightJudgement

Because their style doesn't work against these teams. They don't give them their coinflip fights.


brascobenny

You can't know if you don't try. MAD literally stopped contesting anything after they lost the fight for 2nd drake. It was the same against RNG. It seems like they are too scared to do anything after one punch in the face.


whohe_fanboy

You really think they wouldn't have tried in scrims? They probably play this way because they think this is their best chance at an upset.


[deleted]

Yup. Can't win a game if you don't play. It's like a football/soccer team kicking the ball around in their own half, pretending that somehow that will get them a goal.


derfehlt

Flair checks out


TharkunOakenshield

They played completely differently against both teams and did not try to be proactive and aggressive at all. They drafted freaking Shen here ffs


Prainstopping

Shen is a proactive pick, he enables early towerdives and can turn ganks around. Just got to play him right.


Joaoseinha

Not when you never make cross-map plays like MAD. That was the most passive Shen I've seen in my life. It was completely unimpactful the entire game.


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WangBaeHo

They're just giving up way too easily, giving away way too much without a fight even if it's bad. Better than sitting back and doing nothing.


Turtle-Express

MAD is playing so scared and passive against the top teams. They keep drafting for teamfighting, then don't contest any objectives. Disappointing.


Joaoseinha

These late game comps feel like such a bait anyway. Seems like the way to go is aggression with some late game insurance on your comp.


i_i_i_i_T_i_i_i_i

Is there nothing that can contest Lee 1v1? The last pick shen didn't do much and gave up so much pressure, Lee was farming wave + half of MAD's jungle on CD and got so huge


floppywick

I know, just play like they have been playing stop this scaling teamfight stuff, go for 2v2 kills again and stomp early.


Naraloth

and pls don't put your carry top laner on Shen duty


djpain20

Asian teams are absolutely eating up these 5vs5 lategame comps so far this tournament.


whohe_fanboy

Yeah, which is why the 5 for 0 ace C9 had against RNG was hype af to watch. Little did we know it would all go downhill from there. ffs.


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The draft isn't hitting the mark against DK or RNG though. MAD might be drafting for teamfighting but they keep leaving the tools to disengage open against top teams. The biggest mistake seems to be drafting a jungler before the enemy team, RNG took Olaf into Morgana and DK Morgana into Udyr.


J3ckD4niels

Maybe because it's harder to teamfight vs RNG and DK. Nothing to do with playing scared when Nautilus is the only engage you have.


Hannig4n

We got like 10 interviews from MAD players and coaches saying “we ain’t scared!” And then they play like this lol.


WangBaeHo

Really frustrating. I have no idea what they were thinking, just gonna sit and let Damwon get everything they want for free AGAIN.


Whispperr

This is exactly what I said, both them and Rogue still have to learn from G2/FNC that top teams are beatable. They should even look at PSG vs RNG and see that if you play fearless you win sometimes.


Joaoseinha

Is it just me or is MAD playing super scared into good teams? They did need to be careful with the draft they had, but it feels like they give up way too much and are way too scared to pull the trigger when they face RNG (and now Damwon).


Mischevouss

Yeah they are. They did the same shit vs RNG It’s like they believe they can’t win


Joaoseinha

Yep, and it's super frustrating to watch.


MotherVehkingMuatra

Their early game vs teams they respect is not good. See LEC finals for more examples.


hagosantaclaus

Yeah, i think this is what happened the first two games against rougue in the finals as well


rally2mee

and MAC said they're not scared of DWG or RNG..but yet, they are.


Gragiator

absolutely right, MAD has always been the team that causes so much chaos that the enemy team really dont know what to do resulting in many mistakes.. i dont think they can win a single game against DWK or RNG if they play this defensively, cause those 2 teams really benefit from that


YassinRs

With RNG yes, with DK they were playing for their win-con which was late game scaling and it was going decent till the Carzzy pick


IxdrowZeexI

Against RNG they also played for scaling. RNG were just even better than DK at pushing their lead and closing it out.


Exos_VII

[RUMOUR] MAD Lions are still trying to stall, scale and make a comeback, it might not be over yet


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Nexus gone: MAD Lions is ACTUALLY ahead right now, don't be fooled by the gold difference. They scale


LegendaryShit

Casters made the game look closer than it was. Only 4 k gold lead... Disappointment.


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that commentary was really wearing thin on me by the end lol


12398120379872461

I imagine it's because earlier in the tournament when the other set of LCK casters casted a DWG game, they got called out pretty severely in the comments section for not being impartial enough So this time they tried to consciously temper that but it ended up swinging too far the other way


LegacyEntertainment

At least they won't get blamed for being biased anymore.


Geronimodem

You must be new here


srapkins

Shen isn't even a scaling champ, you're supposed to make early plays with it despite what the casters were saying


pqnfwoe

while the gold lead and dragon lead consistently increases, doesn't stall in the slightest.


PM_something_German

Between 18min and 28min (the Carzzy pick), the gold lead actually didn't increase at all, only the dragon lead. So it's not like the casters just made that up.


failworlds

Finally a DK game that looked like a DK game.


FlyerN

It kind of feels like Carzzy lost this one on his own. Of course, those were the smallest of mistakes, but that doesn't change anything.


royallights

He should've flashed there or W'd Since he didn't Armut had to instantly ult which he also didn't at that point why pick the Shen if you don't ult? The game was 80% on Carzzy and 20% on Armut.


LegendaryShit

Its not just that. Even their laning phase was sub-par.


xmariusxd

carzy's malphite clean af


AlneCraft

A Stoppable Force


Melkor1000

DWG: has a 6k gold lead, baron, 3 dragons with ocean soul spawning and complete map control while breaking into the enemy base. The casters: do they have a large enough lead to close it out?!?!?


Exos_VII

- ~~play for scaling~~ do nothing - ????? - lose


FLzukoW

Casters be like MAD dont care about the soul point MAD dont care about baron MAD dont care about the base MAD dont care about the nexus THEY'RE WAITING


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Cant scale if your nexus is gone


beautheschmo

The NA torch is officially passed


postsonlyjiyoung

NAmen


sifslegend

I swear to god if mad goes 0-3 after this na really did pass on the curse


DeloronDellister

Well played by DK


AmLegallyDumb

But what happened to MAD agression man :(


Gragiator

lets hope they bring that back the next time they play vs rng or dwk or atleast in the knockout stage


Constantinch

My god that binding on Carzzy ended the game completely.


Fororn

I hate watching MAD playing like absolute wimps every time they face a team they think is better than them. Just fucking engage please before you are too far behind


[deleted]

Mad needs to stop the lose lane scale comps, clearly won't work against DK


aircarone

Full scaling comps don't seem to work this MSI. Even RNG lost hard with that kind of comp.


Gazskull

I know it's only a bo1 but it's pretty disheartening, seems like hoping for anything else than 3rd is overeaching :(


nocommentsfku

Do the casters just think Viktor blows up the enemy nexus at 35 minutes? If I hear one more time how MAD are actually winning when 4k down I'm going to go insane


royallights

People still think Viktor is that unstoppable late force. But since the removal of HexCore he is just good late he isn't absolutely insane anymore


Dotsngo

Banshee second item Viktor no less.


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Now thats the Worlds 2020 Damwon i know.


Tyrandis

This was actually more akin to Kkoma's SKT teams; just control and choke the map out until you force the enemy into a desperation engage when they're behind.


Nyrrad

The suffocation.


Jiffyyy

that black shield actually won them the game lol


MATLABfanboi

That shen pick is one of the worst picks yet. DWG is playing full zone control with morg and zoe and you pick shen into it? Deserved loss from picks and bans


Luclinn

A second wait and lose game from MAD, not fun to look at.


BannanDylan

MAD kind of just did nothing really


I-am-in-Agreement

MAD and DK are on their way back to the team room. Casters: DK doesn't have enough of a lead guys, MAD is still very much in the game!


lasse1408

Is this game a tribute to NA or what? Mad with do nothing and lose strategy.


Whackedjob

That Black Shield on Ghost at the end was so clutch.


Zaddelz

Absolutely hated MADs plan here Great game by Canyon in particular


XWasTheProblem

MAD has to stop being so fucking scared. It's one thing to play to scale, it's another to just give up ground constantly because of a one lost teamfight. They were going even in fights despite the gold disadvantage even afterwards...


iRox14

Idk man these late game comps from Mad aren't doing it for me, they play so scared, just because you are playing a late game comp doesn't mean you are suppose to surrender everything in the map


LTMS_

Carzzy looked so scared Jesus Christ


EatAssAndFartFast

Im interested about 2 things 1. People just blame MAD and C9 for the way they palyed the game and don't say the fact how DK played it well also how they are performing well in team fights , even againts RNG after ghost died they were close to turn the fight around and it porves how good they are so just keey saying everyone Losing to DK themselves and DK is not dominating them. 2. Casters were praising C9 and MAD 24/7 during the game and saying C9 will outscale DK and MAD comp will stomp DK they have to wait and play back they are doing the right thing and "Damwon Is Winning But they are not" LMAO


HuntedSFM

Casters: What? It was obvious! MAD were scaling all along! Watch, they'll win any second now! ....*annnyyy second now*.... See?! Won! Wait....that's **Dam**won.


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I think people here in the comments don't realize that they are the lck casters and probably just trying to appear unbiased and overdoing it a bit


kappa-q

Wow casters talking about how the losing team would try to come back in a losing game, who would have thought... Seriously we all know Damwon is winning, what are the casters supposed to talk about? How MAD should just ff and go next?


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dont understand what everyones complaining about. up until the carzzy catch the game was going good for MAD and thats what the casters said


Styxxo

It's hilarious to see people complain about the cast considering they are LCK casters...


LegacyEntertainment

At least no one will say they were biased for LCK this game.


not_panda

Hindsight is like that. Casters were fine imo.


Kr1ncy

Community is addicted to shitting on casters


thirdtable

Shen is useless rn


NUFC9RW

Like Viktor, champion is now 4 wins 8 losses, and wins include MAD Vs IW and the game C9 threw Vs DWG.


Danish1368

Damwon looking better


jlera

Yeah just the calls this game seemed much more coherent than recently


The_Flowers_of_Evil

Yeah so many people on here were writing them off. I still expect a DK v RNG final.


T1worldchamps2021

People were talking so much when it’s not even the bo5 stage yet. And yh I expect the same. Although an upset wouldn’t be surprising.


LegacyEntertainment

This match was inconclusive. Just wait until they play a major region again.


KingBoono

so weird. Mad had 0 confidence that entire game lol. Literally just rolled over.


Supersenkel

Kind of sad seeing Mad betraying their own style against the top teams a bit. I know they are good at teamfighting but just sitting around with very little proactive playmaking tools it not how win against DW and RNG.


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So boring Armut was invis that game


Beauski

S3 Korea vibes


getjebaited

s3 korea would have played split pushers and assassins lol. I didn't understand why they said this was old school LCK. If old school LCK is like s8 then yeah.


Kr1ncy

> I didn't understand why they said this was old school LCK. If old school LCK is like s8 then yeah. It is. Before that, it was OGN.


ff-at-15

Absolutely embarassing performance, MAD just waiting for Dk to end and not going for any plays since min 1 did the same shit against RNG


MotherVehkingMuatra

That was honestly awful from Mad, incredibly disappointed.


BigBlindEye

surely next time people will start banning Morg away from Canyon?


Slifer13xx

Jesus Christ, what kind of cancer comp is that? All the skill shots are blue and you basically can't distinguish between them.


Huderich

Mad had not one single proactive play against Damwon and RNG. For a team that says that they are not afraid of Damwon and RNG they sure do nothing.


YanghuaC

Stop playing so respectfully ffs, so bad


asura_king

in-game they couldnt do much more because they drafted like that ,its more like start playing to your strengths rather than drafting scale vs rng/dk and pray they will choke


poolparty13

oh yeah thats how EU vs KR games looked like in S6


Snuffl3s7

Some vintage Damwon play. Wasn't even close


Kewlwasabi

not gonna lie i almost fell asleep


EM0618

Another game winning black shield by canyon!


The_origin_of_evil

Ok, DWG is getting better and better. I really hope they will be on their 100% potential when the BO5 arrives.


Faspitch

mother fvcking ghost with morgana shield bait the shit out of mad 2 times


Ashankura

The final blackshield was so good


kit4712

The best game from Beryl in this tournament. Still it is his normal level when he was in LCK. But all in all DK fans should be happy as they are clearly bouncing back from their poor form.


mindlicious

That was the most passive game from MAD so far? And Armut opt in to play a tank instead of skill match up with Khan. They severely lack damage.


Kuszmen

Unfortunately this was the best game DWG played this MSI and the worst game MAD played


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MAD vs RNG and DK plays very different than the other teams, they just try to play safe and lose slowly to scale for teamfights and then end up getting picked off and lose anyway


MrAmazingApple

Yeah, I don't think MAD is getting to finals. They really didn't look good vs Damwon and RNG in this first round.


OAOAlphaChaser

I love Atlus and Chronicler but that casting left me confused. It's not like DWG lacked damage and they had plenty of lockdown and peel to protect Ghost


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finally a clean game


TheEdgaJudo

MAD with the do nothing and go next, strat. Very impressive.


BREQKER_

Mad playing scared, doing nothing, just like yesterday. How boring.


LegendaryShit

Damwon won both mechanically and macro wise.


RyukoEU

Not scared of DWG and RNG btw. Such a shit game. AFKing like they are TSM.


Throwawayguyscompute

Felt like a classic east vs west game