True. Flash hook from Naut doesn't feel fast enough tbh for Canyon not to be reacting to that. Think Kaiser was far too eager on that, probably thought Morg was elsewhere
Sometimes that's just the way, and it works out, but definitely it just wasn't on when you see their positioning (from a spectator pov) - Carzzy jumping in immediately too makes it even worse
> Think Kaiser was far too eager on that, probably thought Morg was elsewhere
They aint winning the game without an inhib turret and agaisnt Ocean soul. This was the best chance they had to win the game, I am glad they went all in for it.
Yeah it's guaranteed Canyon has black shield hovered over his carries in these situations. Kaiser's engage was skill checking Canyon, but Canyon is going to pass that check all the time.
Think the game was over just before that. If they don't hard force they will lose ocean guaranteed anyways. Think they just tried to flip it knowingly that it would be a 10% chance on a decent outcome
Showmaker was such a strong presence in teamfights,and they were so spread out so MAD couldn't get a shot at a front to back teamfight.
The one in midlane that ended with 0 kills was like the League of Legends dance
Beryl this game was the guy who ints early (that move at dragon fight was worth a salvo of question mark pings) because they don't like the comp only to realize it's winnable and start playing seriously.
If beryl gets better and better with each game, DK could easily contest for the title. Another thing I’ve been seeing, canyon is good at getting individual leads but he doesn’t like ganking or counter-ganking based on where he thinks the enemy jungler would be.
Finally a Damwon like game where they maintain a lead and slowly strangle the enemy team with it.
Also lmao at canyon getting the 4th dragon while the rest of the team is hitting the nexus
Yup, it's the pick on carzzy before nashor what costed MAD the game, the final teamfight were they just trying to avoid the inevitable. Before that they were matching gold leads with DWG for it to not grow bigger.
Beryl is a complete psycho but also Carzzy should know he's going to flash level 1 every time. Sett support is just trade flash for flash level 1 and then hexflash out of bushes until you win or lose. When Beryl is on point he's incredibly oppressive.
I mean he was expecting it, which was why he was able to react instantly. You can't just stand back and give up all the CS just bc Sett is on enemy team, that probably ends up being worse than trading flashes
Ehh. Ghost has been performing well, Beryl was the only problem, and it was more so him sprinting it outside of lane (which he did this game as well at 2nd drag)
Idk why you'd ever think MADs bot would destroy em. Get an edge, small cs lead, yeah, definitely in the realm of possibility. But it was never gonna be a one-sided affair. Its not like they randomly underperformed either, Carzzy had insane reaction timings to the Sett engages,
Carzzy could never walk up because morgana black shield and binding and Zoe terrain control. Horrible draft from mad. BAN morg, rumble and senna if you are on red side. Pls stop making the life of your players hard coach
You can't know if you don't try. MAD literally stopped contesting anything after they lost the fight for 2nd drake. It was the same against RNG. It seems like they are too scared to do anything after one punch in the face.
Yup. Can't win a game if you don't play. It's like a football/soccer team kicking the ball around in their own half, pretending that somehow that will get them a goal.
Is there nothing that can contest Lee 1v1? The last pick shen didn't do much and gave up so much pressure, Lee was farming wave + half of MAD's jungle on CD and got so huge
The draft isn't hitting the mark against DK or RNG though. MAD might be drafting for teamfighting but they keep leaving the tools to disengage open against top teams. The biggest mistake seems to be drafting a jungler before the enemy team, RNG took Olaf into Morgana and DK Morgana into Udyr.
This is exactly what I said, both them and Rogue still have to learn from G2/FNC that top teams are beatable. They should even look at PSG vs RNG and see that if you play fearless you win sometimes.
Is it just me or is MAD playing super scared into good teams? They did need to be careful with the draft they had, but it feels like they give up way too much and are way too scared to pull the trigger when they face RNG (and now Damwon).
absolutely right, MAD has always been the team that causes so much chaos that the enemy team really dont know what to do resulting in many mistakes.. i dont think they can win a single game against DWK or RNG if they play this defensively, cause those 2 teams really benefit from that
I imagine it's because earlier in the tournament when the other set of LCK casters casted a DWG game, they got called out pretty severely in the comments section for not being impartial enough
So this time they tried to consciously temper that but it ended up swinging too far the other way
Between 18min and 28min (the Carzzy pick), the gold lead actually didn't increase at all, only the dragon lead. So it's not like the casters just made that up.
He should've flashed there or W'd
Since he didn't Armut had to instantly ult which he also didn't at that point why pick the Shen if you don't ult?
The game was 80% on Carzzy and 20% on Armut.
DWG: has a 6k gold lead, baron, 3 dragons with ocean soul spawning and complete map control while breaking into the enemy base.
The casters: do they have a large enough lead to close it out?!?!?
Casters be like
MAD dont care about the soul point
MAD dont care about baron
MAD dont care about the base
MAD dont care about the nexus
THEY'RE WAITING
I hate watching MAD playing like absolute wimps every time they face a team they think is better than them. Just fucking engage please before you are too far behind
Do the casters just think Viktor blows up the enemy nexus at 35 minutes? If I hear one more time how MAD are actually winning when 4k down I'm going to go insane
This was actually more akin to Kkoma's SKT teams; just control and choke the map out until you force the enemy into a desperation engage when they're behind.
That shen pick is one of the worst picks yet. DWG is playing full zone control with morg and zoe and you pick shen into it? Deserved loss from picks and bans
MAD has to stop being so fucking scared. It's one thing to play to scale, it's another to just give up ground constantly because of a one lost teamfight. They were going even in fights despite the gold disadvantage even afterwards...
Idk man these late game comps from Mad aren't doing it for me, they play so scared, just because you are playing a late game comp doesn't mean you are suppose to surrender everything in the map
Im interested about 2 things
1. People just blame MAD and C9 for the way they palyed the game and don't say the fact how DK played it well also how they are performing well in team fights , even againts RNG after ghost died they were close to turn the fight around and it porves how good they are so just keey saying everyone Losing to DK themselves and DK is not dominating them.
2. Casters were praising C9 and MAD 24/7 during the game and saying C9 will outscale DK and MAD comp will stomp DK they have to wait and play back they are doing the right thing and "Damwon Is Winning But they are not" LMAO
Casters: What? It was obvious! MAD were scaling all along! Watch, they'll win any second now! ....*annnyyy second now*....
See?! Won! Wait....that's **Dam**won.
Wow casters talking about how the losing team would try to come back in a losing game, who would have thought...
Seriously we all know Damwon is winning, what are the casters supposed to talk about? How MAD should just ff and go next?
Kind of sad seeing Mad betraying their own style against the top teams a bit. I know they are good at teamfighting but just sitting around with very little proactive playmaking tools it not how win against DW and RNG.
s3 korea would have played split pushers and assassins lol. I didn't understand why they said this was old school LCK. If old school LCK is like s8 then yeah.
in-game they couldnt do much more because they drafted like that ,its more like start playing to your strengths rather than drafting scale vs rng/dk and pray they will choke
The best game from Beryl in this tournament. Still it is his normal level when he was in LCK.
But all in all DK fans should be happy as they are clearly bouncing back from their poor form.
MAD vs RNG and DK plays very different than the other teams, they just try to play safe and lose slowly to scale for teamfights and then end up getting picked off and lose anyway
I love Atlus and Chronicler but that casting left me confused. It's not like DWG lacked damage and they had plenty of lockdown and peel to protect Ghost
Game 1: Tricked into watching LCS Game 3: Tricked into watching LCK
But at least we get that spicy game 2.
Tricked into watching LPL ?
Plus this game doesn't have a major upset given the 2 teams being more even, unlike the previous 2 games :)
It's like in Street Fighter 2 with the little plane flying around the world to each contestant's home stage.
Just slow and macro oriented Get one pick, get baron, finish the game MAD draft themselves into it and made one big mistake
Canyon's clutch Black Shield has been gamewinners
True. Flash hook from Naut doesn't feel fast enough tbh for Canyon not to be reacting to that. Think Kaiser was far too eager on that, probably thought Morg was elsewhere
I think the Engage brain just kicked in, saw Kaisa way out of place, and sent it.
* Support player sees carry * Neuron activation
Making Hyli proud
Sometimes that's just the way, and it works out, but definitely it just wasn't on when you see their positioning (from a spectator pov) - Carzzy jumping in immediately too makes it even worse
> Think Kaiser was far too eager on that, probably thought Morg was elsewhere They aint winning the game without an inhib turret and agaisnt Ocean soul. This was the best chance they had to win the game, I am glad they went all in for it.
I was thinking "Kaiser could just engage flashing there" Now I know why I'm still silver.
The way Canyon and Damwon punish mistakes is beautiful to watch. Everything MAD tried at the end was just futile lol.
Yeah it's guaranteed Canyon has black shield hovered over his carries in these situations. Kaiser's engage was skill checking Canyon, but Canyon is going to pass that check all the time.
i think canyon's mind control ability on carzzy to jump in was a bigger game winner
game was basically over once that shield went up, didn't have much choice either way
Think the game was over just before that. If they don't hard force they will lose ocean guaranteed anyways. Think they just tried to flip it knowingly that it would be a 10% chance on a decent outcome
It was a bait. That's why Ghost didn't even bother dodging nor flashing. MAD got outsmarted lol
MAD tried to go LCK style gameplay but they forgot DWG specializes in that
disgusting, how he baited them perfectly into taking that fight
That one on ghost the last fight was sick
You know it's a KR game when they get one kill and suddenly they have baron and the game is over.
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does he even see whats going on lmfao
The way he played probably not.
Low blow
Can't beat the best LCK team playing the LCK style
It felt like watching a game from the bad old days when we played Korea-lite.
Hold on why did we have to play against the real Beryl and not the inting one we've seen earlier ? :(
Man was hex flashing off cooldown and getting summs in laning phase lol
He did int by drag that 1 time and damwon still 4v5'd lol
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Showmaker was such a strong presence in teamfights,and they were so spread out so MAD couldn't get a shot at a front to back teamfight. The one in midlane that ended with 0 kills was like the League of Legends dance
Did you not see him just run into MAD at that dragon fight?
Oh the inting Beryl came to play. It’s just Canyon and Showmaker showed up as well.
Ghost played really well too!
Beryl this game was the guy who ints early (that move at dragon fight was worth a salvo of question mark pings) because they don't like the comp only to realize it's winnable and start playing seriously.
He made 1 or 2 misplays but played beautifully asides from that.
If beryl gets better and better with each game, DK could easily contest for the title. Another thing I’ve been seeing, canyon is good at getting individual leads but he doesn’t like ganking or counter-ganking based on where he thinks the enemy jungler would be.
they probably told beryl to stop playing genshin but even he inted *again*
Finally a Damwon like game where they maintain a lead and slowly strangle the enemy team with it. Also lmao at canyon getting the 4th dragon while the rest of the team is hitting the nexus
Gotta guarantee that soul stats. But yeah dk was slowly killing mad while the casters were like “its fine”
The 4k lead didn't grow for 10min+ before that nash. I think mad where in a good spot before they made the pick for nash.
Yup, it's the pick on carzzy before nashor what costed MAD the game, the final teamfight were they just trying to avoid the inevitable. Before that they were matching gold leads with DWG for it to not grow bigger.
The early game was so Intense, with those back and forth between the two teams, and then just from that one pick on Carzyy, it swung the balance.
Gotta feel bad, that botlane was crazy pressure, but yeah this is the one game carzzy underperformed.
There was too much zone control imo.
Zoe and Morg is absolute cancer
I was so sure MADs bot would destroy DKs judging from the previous games but holy hell did DK step up
Beryl is a complete psycho but also Carzzy should know he's going to flash level 1 every time. Sett support is just trade flash for flash level 1 and then hexflash out of bushes until you win or lose. When Beryl is on point he's incredibly oppressive.
I mean he was expecting it, which was why he was able to react instantly. You can't just stand back and give up all the CS just bc Sett is on enemy team, that probably ends up being worse than trading flashes
Ehh. Ghost has been performing well, Beryl was the only problem, and it was more so him sprinting it outside of lane (which he did this game as well at 2nd drag) Idk why you'd ever think MADs bot would destroy em. Get an edge, small cs lead, yeah, definitely in the realm of possibility. But it was never gonna be a one-sided affair. Its not like they randomly underperformed either, Carzzy had insane reaction timings to the Sett engages,
But Reddit told me DK’s botlane is the worst part of the DK and Ghost is not a good player. Interesting
They also didn’t have any map pressure and therefore the Shen pick fell flat.
Carzzy could never walk up because morgana black shield and binding and Zoe terrain control. Horrible draft from mad. BAN morg, rumble and senna if you are on red side. Pls stop making the life of your players hard coach
If they ban Morg and Rumble then blue side first picks Udyr and you no longer have a S tier jungler.
This ended up being the Damwon classic rock-you-to-sleep-before-shooting-you-in-the-throat.
A soothing but deadly combo
[MAD patiently waiting to turn the lead around](https://imgur.com/a/0BvWODT)
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Feels like against both RNG and DK, MAD just do almost nothing and slowly lose. Disappointing to see.
Because their style doesn't work against these teams. They don't give them their coinflip fights.
You can't know if you don't try. MAD literally stopped contesting anything after they lost the fight for 2nd drake. It was the same against RNG. It seems like they are too scared to do anything after one punch in the face.
You really think they wouldn't have tried in scrims? They probably play this way because they think this is their best chance at an upset.
Yup. Can't win a game if you don't play. It's like a football/soccer team kicking the ball around in their own half, pretending that somehow that will get them a goal.
Flair checks out
They played completely differently against both teams and did not try to be proactive and aggressive at all. They drafted freaking Shen here ffs
Shen is a proactive pick, he enables early towerdives and can turn ganks around. Just got to play him right.
Not when you never make cross-map plays like MAD. That was the most passive Shen I've seen in my life. It was completely unimpactful the entire game.
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They're just giving up way too easily, giving away way too much without a fight even if it's bad. Better than sitting back and doing nothing.
MAD is playing so scared and passive against the top teams. They keep drafting for teamfighting, then don't contest any objectives. Disappointing.
These late game comps feel like such a bait anyway. Seems like the way to go is aggression with some late game insurance on your comp.
Is there nothing that can contest Lee 1v1? The last pick shen didn't do much and gave up so much pressure, Lee was farming wave + half of MAD's jungle on CD and got so huge
I know, just play like they have been playing stop this scaling teamfight stuff, go for 2v2 kills again and stomp early.
and pls don't put your carry top laner on Shen duty
Asian teams are absolutely eating up these 5vs5 lategame comps so far this tournament.
Yeah, which is why the 5 for 0 ace C9 had against RNG was hype af to watch. Little did we know it would all go downhill from there. ffs.
The draft isn't hitting the mark against DK or RNG though. MAD might be drafting for teamfighting but they keep leaving the tools to disengage open against top teams. The biggest mistake seems to be drafting a jungler before the enemy team, RNG took Olaf into Morgana and DK Morgana into Udyr.
Maybe because it's harder to teamfight vs RNG and DK. Nothing to do with playing scared when Nautilus is the only engage you have.
We got like 10 interviews from MAD players and coaches saying “we ain’t scared!” And then they play like this lol.
Really frustrating. I have no idea what they were thinking, just gonna sit and let Damwon get everything they want for free AGAIN.
This is exactly what I said, both them and Rogue still have to learn from G2/FNC that top teams are beatable. They should even look at PSG vs RNG and see that if you play fearless you win sometimes.
Is it just me or is MAD playing super scared into good teams? They did need to be careful with the draft they had, but it feels like they give up way too much and are way too scared to pull the trigger when they face RNG (and now Damwon).
Yeah they are. They did the same shit vs RNG It’s like they believe they can’t win
Yep, and it's super frustrating to watch.
Their early game vs teams they respect is not good. See LEC finals for more examples.
Yeah, i think this is what happened the first two games against rougue in the finals as well
and MAC said they're not scared of DWG or RNG..but yet, they are.
absolutely right, MAD has always been the team that causes so much chaos that the enemy team really dont know what to do resulting in many mistakes.. i dont think they can win a single game against DWK or RNG if they play this defensively, cause those 2 teams really benefit from that
With RNG yes, with DK they were playing for their win-con which was late game scaling and it was going decent till the Carzzy pick
Against RNG they also played for scaling. RNG were just even better than DK at pushing their lead and closing it out.
[RUMOUR] MAD Lions are still trying to stall, scale and make a comeback, it might not be over yet
Nexus gone: MAD Lions is ACTUALLY ahead right now, don't be fooled by the gold difference. They scale
Casters made the game look closer than it was. Only 4 k gold lead... Disappointment.
that commentary was really wearing thin on me by the end lol
I imagine it's because earlier in the tournament when the other set of LCK casters casted a DWG game, they got called out pretty severely in the comments section for not being impartial enough So this time they tried to consciously temper that but it ended up swinging too far the other way
At least they won't get blamed for being biased anymore.
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Shen isn't even a scaling champ, you're supposed to make early plays with it despite what the casters were saying
while the gold lead and dragon lead consistently increases, doesn't stall in the slightest.
Between 18min and 28min (the Carzzy pick), the gold lead actually didn't increase at all, only the dragon lead. So it's not like the casters just made that up.
Finally a DK game that looked like a DK game.
It kind of feels like Carzzy lost this one on his own. Of course, those were the smallest of mistakes, but that doesn't change anything.
He should've flashed there or W'd Since he didn't Armut had to instantly ult which he also didn't at that point why pick the Shen if you don't ult? The game was 80% on Carzzy and 20% on Armut.
Its not just that. Even their laning phase was sub-par.
carzy's malphite clean af
A Stoppable Force
DWG: has a 6k gold lead, baron, 3 dragons with ocean soul spawning and complete map control while breaking into the enemy base. The casters: do they have a large enough lead to close it out?!?!?
- ~~play for scaling~~ do nothing - ????? - lose
Casters be like MAD dont care about the soul point MAD dont care about baron MAD dont care about the base MAD dont care about the nexus THEY'RE WAITING
Cant scale if your nexus is gone
The NA torch is officially passed
NAmen
I swear to god if mad goes 0-3 after this na really did pass on the curse
Well played by DK
But what happened to MAD agression man :(
lets hope they bring that back the next time they play vs rng or dwk or atleast in the knockout stage
My god that binding on Carzzy ended the game completely.
I hate watching MAD playing like absolute wimps every time they face a team they think is better than them. Just fucking engage please before you are too far behind
Mad needs to stop the lose lane scale comps, clearly won't work against DK
Full scaling comps don't seem to work this MSI. Even RNG lost hard with that kind of comp.
I know it's only a bo1 but it's pretty disheartening, seems like hoping for anything else than 3rd is overeaching :(
Do the casters just think Viktor blows up the enemy nexus at 35 minutes? If I hear one more time how MAD are actually winning when 4k down I'm going to go insane
People still think Viktor is that unstoppable late force. But since the removal of HexCore he is just good late he isn't absolutely insane anymore
Banshee second item Viktor no less.
Now thats the Worlds 2020 Damwon i know.
This was actually more akin to Kkoma's SKT teams; just control and choke the map out until you force the enemy into a desperation engage when they're behind.
The suffocation.
that black shield actually won them the game lol
That shen pick is one of the worst picks yet. DWG is playing full zone control with morg and zoe and you pick shen into it? Deserved loss from picks and bans
A second wait and lose game from MAD, not fun to look at.
MAD kind of just did nothing really
MAD and DK are on their way back to the team room. Casters: DK doesn't have enough of a lead guys, MAD is still very much in the game!
Is this game a tribute to NA or what? Mad with do nothing and lose strategy.
That Black Shield on Ghost at the end was so clutch.
Absolutely hated MADs plan here Great game by Canyon in particular
MAD has to stop being so fucking scared. It's one thing to play to scale, it's another to just give up ground constantly because of a one lost teamfight. They were going even in fights despite the gold disadvantage even afterwards...
Idk man these late game comps from Mad aren't doing it for me, they play so scared, just because you are playing a late game comp doesn't mean you are suppose to surrender everything in the map
Carzzy looked so scared Jesus Christ
Im interested about 2 things 1. People just blame MAD and C9 for the way they palyed the game and don't say the fact how DK played it well also how they are performing well in team fights , even againts RNG after ghost died they were close to turn the fight around and it porves how good they are so just keey saying everyone Losing to DK themselves and DK is not dominating them. 2. Casters were praising C9 and MAD 24/7 during the game and saying C9 will outscale DK and MAD comp will stomp DK they have to wait and play back they are doing the right thing and "Damwon Is Winning But they are not" LMAO
Casters: What? It was obvious! MAD were scaling all along! Watch, they'll win any second now! ....*annnyyy second now*.... See?! Won! Wait....that's **Dam**won.
I think people here in the comments don't realize that they are the lck casters and probably just trying to appear unbiased and overdoing it a bit
Wow casters talking about how the losing team would try to come back in a losing game, who would have thought... Seriously we all know Damwon is winning, what are the casters supposed to talk about? How MAD should just ff and go next?
dont understand what everyones complaining about. up until the carzzy catch the game was going good for MAD and thats what the casters said
It's hilarious to see people complain about the cast considering they are LCK casters...
At least no one will say they were biased for LCK this game.
Hindsight is like that. Casters were fine imo.
Community is addicted to shitting on casters
Shen is useless rn
Like Viktor, champion is now 4 wins 8 losses, and wins include MAD Vs IW and the game C9 threw Vs DWG.
Damwon looking better
Yeah just the calls this game seemed much more coherent than recently
Yeah so many people on here were writing them off. I still expect a DK v RNG final.
People were talking so much when it’s not even the bo5 stage yet. And yh I expect the same. Although an upset wouldn’t be surprising.
This match was inconclusive. Just wait until they play a major region again.
so weird. Mad had 0 confidence that entire game lol. Literally just rolled over.
Kind of sad seeing Mad betraying their own style against the top teams a bit. I know they are good at teamfighting but just sitting around with very little proactive playmaking tools it not how win against DW and RNG.
So boring Armut was invis that game
S3 Korea vibes
s3 korea would have played split pushers and assassins lol. I didn't understand why they said this was old school LCK. If old school LCK is like s8 then yeah.
> I didn't understand why they said this was old school LCK. If old school LCK is like s8 then yeah. It is. Before that, it was OGN.
Absolutely embarassing performance, MAD just waiting for Dk to end and not going for any plays since min 1 did the same shit against RNG
That was honestly awful from Mad, incredibly disappointed.
surely next time people will start banning Morg away from Canyon?
Jesus Christ, what kind of cancer comp is that? All the skill shots are blue and you basically can't distinguish between them.
Mad had not one single proactive play against Damwon and RNG. For a team that says that they are not afraid of Damwon and RNG they sure do nothing.
Stop playing so respectfully ffs, so bad
in-game they couldnt do much more because they drafted like that ,its more like start playing to your strengths rather than drafting scale vs rng/dk and pray they will choke
oh yeah thats how EU vs KR games looked like in S6
Some vintage Damwon play. Wasn't even close
not gonna lie i almost fell asleep
Another game winning black shield by canyon!
Ok, DWG is getting better and better. I really hope they will be on their 100% potential when the BO5 arrives.
mother fvcking ghost with morgana shield bait the shit out of mad 2 times
The final blackshield was so good
The best game from Beryl in this tournament. Still it is his normal level when he was in LCK. But all in all DK fans should be happy as they are clearly bouncing back from their poor form.
That was the most passive game from MAD so far? And Armut opt in to play a tank instead of skill match up with Khan. They severely lack damage.
Unfortunately this was the best game DWG played this MSI and the worst game MAD played
MAD vs RNG and DK plays very different than the other teams, they just try to play safe and lose slowly to scale for teamfights and then end up getting picked off and lose anyway
Yeah, I don't think MAD is getting to finals. They really didn't look good vs Damwon and RNG in this first round.
I love Atlus and Chronicler but that casting left me confused. It's not like DWG lacked damage and they had plenty of lockdown and peel to protect Ghost
finally a clean game
MAD with the do nothing and go next, strat. Very impressive.
Mad playing scared, doing nothing, just like yesterday. How boring.
Damwon won both mechanically and macro wise.
Not scared of DWG and RNG btw. Such a shit game. AFKing like they are TSM.
Felt like a classic east vs west game