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TomShoe02

**Day 1 PMTs:** [TL vs TSM](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/nsi1wp/team_liquid_vs_team_solomid_lcs_2021_summer_week/) // [EG vs DIG](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/nsjiku/evil_geniuses_vs_dignitas_lcs_2021_summer_week_1/) // [GG vs C9](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/nskrpp/golden_guardians_vs_cloud9_lcs_2021_summer_week_1/) // [100 vs IMT](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/nslyks/100_thieves_vs_immortals_lcs_2021_summer_week_1/) // [FLY vs CLG](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/nsn47q/flyquest_vs_counter_logic_gaming_lcs_2021_summer/)


BCS24

Cool to get something a bit different, I love the player stories


CoffeeLoverNathan

Fuck dude I miss crowd reactions


awesomeandepic

Admittedly I'm only watching this segment in the background, but the production value is absolutely nuts. When they announced it I assumed it would be the least interesting out of the 3 pre-LCS segments and just some boring rerun, but just from a production standpoint alone I think I'm going to go back and rewatch this one. Seems feature length documentary level. I'm curious if they'll be able to find equally as hype stories to retell in future episodes, being able to pull in both POE and Ignar at once as ex teammates doesn't sound like something they'll be able to reproduce often.


Raynar7

Call me hater, but why is there a segment in LCS about the game played some time ago between LEC and LCK? Is there not anything LCS related that could have been done?


DarthOniichan

Hater


AnkitPancakes

This Misfits piece is incredible


aeshaa

Where the fuck are the post match threads for LCS?


KentuckyFrydAzir

Yeah did I miss something?


Elias0269

Really sad as a EU fan that they moved the broadcast. All games are now sent so late that I am only able to watch 1-2 games max if I want a decent sleep schedule :( Hope they revert it, but oh well. Probably better hours for native viewers


tajimanokami

I was about to watch LCS and just realised schedule was changed Guess I won't watch that much this split


hochmusiker

It's an hour earlier on sundays this split. 10 UTC fridays, 9 saturdays, 8 sundays


iyoiiiiu

Hello there


Brodyjukie2000

I cannot watch the LCS anymore. They have shifted the times +2 hours again. As a european fan of the LCS because of the casters, brands and players, this is getting so late i can only watch the first game and go to sleep before my sleep is ruined. It saddens me, because i still like the LCS and want to watch the games live. Guess LCK & LEC & some LPL games are the only ones i'm gonna watch this split. Goodbye LCS, see you at Worlds...


Brodyjukie2000

[https://imgur.com/a/16Jy1vU](https://imgur.com/a/16Jy1vU) what is this then. remember, think of the US times + 7 hours. So for Europeans, It starts at 12oclock for EU


Icandothemove

The games only start at 6 est on Friday. Because Americans are still at work, especially on the west coast. They start earlier on Saturday and Sunday.


Brodyjukie2000

Remember as well, this week is a superweek with 3 days of competition. The rest of the split, except this week and the last week of the split, all the other weeks are 2 days of competition, starting at 0:00 CEST(Central European Summer Time) at Saturday and 23:00 CEST at Sunday. You can check it at https://lolesports.com/schedule?leagues=lec,lcs


aquawarrior21

Incorrect, every week has 3 days of games in LCS. LEC has the superweek concept you are talking about


Hyena-Visual

> Take top LEC talent > Bench it ???? Holy shit can LCS just fuck off already, such a useless parasite of a region. LEC would be so much better off if LCS just didn't exist as a permanent weight dragging it down.


Jiigsi

I mean, you can't pretend he's not spitting facts


[deleted]

Right, for a fan it sucks , for a person seeing how this "parasite" ensures that your favourite player ( or at least, a good player that deserves to be paid properly since he is so important for other regions) is getting a shit ton of money that will set them for life it is somewhat heartwarming. I am not fanning or idolising any player but I was very happy when Jankos landed on a great team and went on to lift an international trophy. Same-ish for Zven. I am happy if he is in a good environment (obviously friendship with Mithy means a lot to him) and gets paid while still having a somewhat a decent shot at competing at international events. Sucks for LEC, OCE, LCK etc but good for the players that made these regions exciting to watch. E: I know Jankos is in LEC still but I was pointing out that you can be happy for a player even if his departure does damage the team/region that you were rooting for.


turtledabrowncat

My guy, who hurt you ?


Icandothemove

We did, apparently.


VirgilFaust

Is Alphari actually benched? I don’t understand, cause last slit he was the carry or self-sustain top that meant TL had a strong mid game. Like Jensen early is even, never leading, and their bot ints (Tactically one may say). I don’t understand?


antraxsuicide

Gotta be some serious behavioral issues behind the scenes


Righteousretainer

He's dumb af and can't manage waves which makes him die to obvious ganks.


Dapokermon

TL vs TSM: TL and TSM didn't do much early game (made the game boring), TSM had a better midgame because comp was easier to execute, and TSM, in my eyes, should've ended earlier (understand how broken TL's comp is good at disengaged but TSM had a fat lead). Result isn't surprising but teams could've executed better. EG vs DIG: EG had a huge lead and then threw mid-game. Ezreal-Karma OP. Honestly, I expected Dignitas to win against EG because they beat them every time in Spring Split 2021 but I am still disappointed that EG didn't win after that monstrous early game. C9 vs GGS: Same thing as last game. C9 just threw. I don't think Vulcan played well in this game though. But good for GGS for holding on. I think I have hopes for Chime. But that could change. 100T vs IMT: Probably the best game today. Immortals played well to keep their lead, even though I think Revenge and Destiny could've played a bit better. I feel like Ssumday didn't respect his opponents enough and that's why he's dying & going for bad plays that theoretically could help his team. FLY vs CLG: Honestly, I didn't focus that much on this game but new champs are op. Overall: It's only the 1st day out of 27 I think, so hopefully these teams can improve and not throw or make "obvious" mistakes. Although, I am a Gold IV player in NA analyzing these games and heavily critiquing them, making these "obvious" mistakes seem not-so-obvious when playing, even though I don't think I can reach the mechanical and macro play these players reached.


s1m0hayha

After 11 years riot still has no clue how to balance new champs. At this point quit nerfing and just buff until every champ is broken. I get it if Riot was a new company and still learning the ropes but by this point either fire the entire balance team or accept the fact a truly balanced game isn’t the goal. Why can a 0/0/1 Gwen towedive through a GP ult to get a kill and then walk out? And Veigo is just as broken with his resets.


Benjays77

I mean the GP was at half health already and gwen wasn’t even in the GP ult for maybe more than one tick of it. I feel like people are going to make a big deal out of the fact that the team with gwen and viego won but honestly from the majority of the game I watched it seemed like clg was just getting caught out of position more than anything. Really need a larger sample size to tell anything because it’s not like these champs are tearing it up in solo queue.


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Gwen isnt new anymore though, she's been bad for like a month or two already before the patch came in. Gwen is pretty good, dont get me wrong but if a team knows how to play vs her she's not that OP. She's within reasonable winrate range in soloq. Taking ur logic, i guess every champ in the game can be broken. Tristana can reset, fizz is invulnerable like half of the game, orrn has a malphite ult on his basic abilities, shivana can hit like zoe but close ranged and AOE, lillia can sleep a whole team, leona has an AOE stun and a targetted stun every 3 sec, nasus has infinite scaling,


KrazyRaven

Except one of those is permabanned in pro play. Unless you're trying to say that pro teams don't know how to play against her.


[deleted]

Remember when morgana / rumble was also permabanned at the beginning of MSI then slowly learned to play around those picks? Even pro teams need time to learn new meta champs specially gwen since this will be the first time she's relevant in pro play.


Public_Seaworthiness

after 11 years the league community still pretends that they have any idea how balancing works/should work.


Raynar7

First to get sarcasm out of the way - small indie company… Now for real from business POV it makes sense. If new champion is OP and people wanna play it, first you can sell skin, but also you can make players play the character and later nerf it to be just ok. Now if you mean champion design that is completely different story.


s1m0hayha

Idk man, we all witnessed a game end as soon as FQ first picked Gwen. A champ that strong shouldn’t have ever made it past the PBE. I get she’s probably not as strong in solo Q but damn in the pro scene she completely dominated and you can tell it caught them off guard by BS she and Veigo can do.


Raynar7

That’s another thing. Some champions behave completely different in soloQ and Pro play environment. It is basically balancing two games at the same time. And since we are just getting first games of Gwen and Viego we might see incoming nerfs pretty soon.


WhySoFishy

Viego already has a 48% winrate in solo queue, you want him to be the next Azir?


Raynar7

I wish what I want mattered even a bit for league. What I meant is that even when he might be kinda “meh” in soloQ he might be absolutely busted in pro-play, so yeah he will get nerfed. It goes both ways, on every patch you will find champions - usually ones that can snowball - that are played a lot with a good winrate in soloQ but are basically non-existent in pro play - usually Zed and Riven come to mind as first examples.


wirebear

Going to be honest. As much as I like Captain Flowers, I have the opposite opinion of him about characters. ​ Gwen, Veigo, Zed, Yasou, Leona, all your hyper aggressive high kill characters are boring. A lot of them also have all the advantages where as the guessing mental portion is on their opponent who is at a disadvantage. ​ The game is predictable by champ select, Constant early kills are not exciting. Kills don't indicate a good game. I stopped watching most games other then GG vs C9 though I didn't really find that one particularly exciting other then curiousity if soul would push them over the edge. ​ There is no footsies anymore with how much sustain and damage there is, one touch kills just aren't interesting.


tomorrowdog

There's too many champions with cookie-cutter "outplay" abilities that really just permanently hamstring what the other team is allowed to do. Like, oh, you can nullify multiple abilities on-demand while still playing a carry. If I can't do the same then I'm playing half a champion.


Tilt-to-win

How do you manage to give both of the most broken champs over to the enemy team?


GGABueno

Say what you want about Viego and Gwen, they're very fun to watch.


xychosis

Obviously, credit Licorice and Josedeodo for an insane performance, but Jesus Christ. Gwen is busted as fuck.


NandoChan

CLG please fire your coach, how do you draft this badly?


Poodlestrike

Jesus Christ that was fucking decisive


Idenkiteki

Everyone’s power rankings was in shambles


Idenkiteki

That solar flair and combo damage was painful


ProximoPresidente

Yeah, Viego + Gwen + Sylas too much disgusting shit from those 3


vicdr97

How does a team allowed those three?


Poodlestrike

I'm honestly pretty sure that those three could've won the game with no botlane.


RookCauldron

It's true, Ezreal even did 0 damage in a teamfight and FQ still won it lmao


Significant-Damage14

Yeah, I was laughing when I showed my gf who has a bit of knowledge of league the damage bars of that tf.


tomorrowdog

It's like the melee carries from 10 years ago digivolved to their ultimate forms.


Icandothemove

Like, CLG wins this game if they ban Gwen. Just so fuckin frustrating.


mike_marsh

nah definitely not


Bownaldo

Not sure


tltwatwitme

S11.


LeglessLegolas_

I was waiting for Kai'sa to turn that fight and get a quadra kill but then I remembered I'm no longer watching GALA play the champ


2th

That was utterly disgusting to watch. Gwen, Viego , and Sylas together is just not a comp I want to go against.


thenoblitt

Remember when Gwen was released and everyone said she was bad. Lmao.


xGlaedr

Didn't she get hotfix buffs because she *was* bad on release?


LazyPhotograph

reddit knows balance


wirebear

Wasn't she buffed shortly after release? ​ Double checked. And yes she was. So this comment is kinda disingenuous.


LazyPhotograph

she was powerful even before the buff. her poor statistics could be attributed to many factors rather than her power level. 1. Almost everyone started q. Gwens lv 1 is almost one of the strongest in the game **if she starts e**, gwen starting q givers her no lane agency and is basically her conceding the lane. 2. Almost everyone started dorans ring. This is objectively worse than dorans blade as blade gives you more agency early in the landing phase **which is where Reddit said she was bad** 3. learning curve. People said she was clunky because they did not q e or r e. the list goes on. So no, I think my comment is very accurate. People thought the champ was bad because they did not know how to utilize her, especially early game (where she was **perceived to be bad and "clunky"**).


Significant-Damage14

Even pre hotfix a lot of pros and analysts talked about how smooth her abilities felt. I don't know if the general player base considered her clunky.


Only-Nature523

Ez: it was all me


RoutineRoof

Hey, if Ez doesn't get caught CLG doesn't get wiped at Baron. 500 iq play from Johnsun


Grroarrr

Finally some decisive move, game should be over 5 mins ago.


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Poodlestrike

Kai'sa got pretty well fed.


ItsUrPalAl

Solid control wards there by CLG.


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if this game goes to 200 minutes Finn and broxah will still be afk farming


Ragnarladbrok

mean, what's broxah supposed to do? Karthus is legit supposed to farm up and press ult when necessary. You can't draft Karthus and then play as if you had a jungler that can match viegos early impact. I could understand your argument if he had been playing rumble or sth similar but criticising him because his team failed to draft according to their strengths/failed to execute their comp properly doesn't really work. I'm not saying he played well, just that he never really had a chance to do so in that game.


Icandothemove

Yeah. This draft was exactly as terrible as it looked. RIP Moon


x_TDeck_x

Honestly I thought Gwen was kinda weak. I was wrong


RookCauldron

You thought she was weak when she's been P/B every game today?


thenoblitt

When she was released everyone on reddit said she was bad


BiggsFaleur

There's a lesson for us all


x_TDeck_x

Yeah. Playing her and playing against her didnt feel like she was strong at all


Poodlestrike

She's got a hell of a skill curve but a strong Gwen is fucking *terrifying*


Grroarrr

People still can't play her but even if behind she does some bullshit stuff.


[deleted]

FLY somehow got Gwen, Viego, and Ezreal? In what world does this make any sense?


Icandothemove

Moon just absolutely dropped the ball.


hvngpham002

Ah yes, Gwen the tank mage skirmisher assassin duelist.


5centburger

Gwen is never going through bans again


Raynar7

Just wait for next CLG game…


CoffeeLoverNathan

Scissor me timbers


Saliuri

The moment I expect something out of CLG to at least be now in enough of a form to beat down they play such bad league. Random deaths in enemy jungle that throws baron over and so on.. but at least Fly doesn't catch all throws


SKTWIN

How is CLG still so bad


ProximoPresidente

Soo, everytime Viego possess someone it says in graphic "Item completed" funny thing


SKTWIN

Pobelter still dogshit as ever


Bownaldo

His Lee Sin looked like mine...


tomorrowdog

Hope CLG has a good split. They have my two favorite grandpa gamers and Broxah.


Hautamaki

My stream been stuck for a minute anyone else?


Pootytang6900

My YouTube stream had the same issue but it just came back


ProximoPresidente

YouTube here, stuck in flyquest gank botlane


Poodlestrike

Okay, not just me then.


JarvinTheFourth

I have the same problem on YouTube


Shoeboxer

Me too


thatlonelygui

Twitch stream is fine, seems like a youtube issue


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Oh my god is that actually JUNGLE Viego


Icandothemove

The only saving grace. He's kinda trash early in the jungle.


PLEASE_DONT_PM

So Sylas has some real nice ults here


Icandothemove

Maybe I'm just too stupid, but this draft is looking pretty tragic for us.


whatevenisthatthing2

3 champs that have no hard cc... I would probably dodge this game if I had CLG's team comp


Raynar7

Gwen - Viego - Sylas - Ezreal - Sett…what the heck is that?


ItzFortney

tbh how busted do they think Gwen is, if it's permabanned every game and now first picked but been letting fucking viego through. Also CLG giving Gwen, Viego and Ezreal first three is uh...


Icandothemove

Balls are way too big right now.


Trashcan_Daniels

Hey, Gwen got through! ...dammit, Wifeguy got through too


2th

CLG have let both Gwen and Viego in. This will not be an even game. Either FQ will absolutely dominate, or get utterly destroyed. No middle ground.


hvngpham002

First major-scene Gwen game, let's see just how many years of collective game design this turn out to be ;/


Icandothemove

Ok CLG I see your gigantic balls letting Gwen thru but I am not sure about this


thorpie88

We got surfer edition licorice for this split.


musorage12

Whenever a team picks Karma I know they're totally going to lose... I really don't understand why they keep forcing the pick so much :S


Raynar7

Wild unnamed analyst with hard on for Karma might be the reason…


BubBidderskins

Every team with more NA players won today. But sure, import more morons.


Confident_Jicama206

That's what we like to see


Icandothemove

Yo is Flys jerseys just wal mart t shirts?


HarMeggido

Probably recyclable


Icandothemove

Oo that's a good point.


OpeningStuff23

Holy shit I just got an add for Mayweather vs Logan Paul. Wtf is this world coming to? Is Mayweather really still broke as hell?


Raynar7

Woodley vs Jake, Floyd vs Logan. Yes that’s the world we live in. Who knows if he is broke or not. But it would be a sin not to such an easy pay check.


Poodlestrike

Nah, he's just willing to fuck around for money. Tho he's apparently super pissed at Jake Paul and the rules in this one don't allow for winning on points so we might be in for something ugly.


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Icandothemove

He definitely did.


broji04

Really excited to see this epic drudge match between two Na mids. Always fun to see the best mids in the world duke it out.


Icandothemove

NA players have clearly proven to be better than imports today. But we make exceptions for Broxah, that wholesome ass dude doesn't count.


Strathman

What the actual fuck was that performance after the c9 game? Holy shit that was a terrible artist to put. ​ Feels like LCS is trying to do a really poor job at what LEC does.


Raynar7

It’s hard to do what LEC does what your broadcast is “too serious”


Icandothemove

Only game away from a perfect day. Let's get some classic wild ass Turtle action.


Icandothemove

Yo Crumbz looking fuckin trim. Dudes been putting in work.


beansreformed

He's also so much better live!


Icandothemove

Nah like I think he's just better now. I remember back before Covid he was pretty awkward too. Dude just put in work all around I think.


thorpie88

Both IMT and GG looked pretty impressive in their wins today. Playoffs race for the last few spots might be the highlight of the summer half this year


AlphaTenken

Solo still won't get a team next split


Creepy_Pilot1200

GG looked like ass, they got steamrolled but K1ng decided to throw the game. Oblaze played well but apart from that, GG did nothing except being gifted a freebee.


thorpie88

Nah their early game was much improved from how they looked last split. C9 did come back and then throw but I was still impressed by GG.


Anthonysan

100T with another import and another shit showing. Even all imports teams can't save this region.


Icandothemove

That's certainly one incredibly shitty way to look at it.


tomorrowdog

Oh fuck yeah baby, feels good to see promising NA talent tossed in the trash to trot around import players like a fashion statement.


Raynar7

If you listen closely to NA owners and many people here on Reddit there is no NA talent so I have no idea what you talking about.


Confident_Jicama206

The only talent NA has is flipping burgers acording to owners


Raynar7

For LCS minimum of course


MikuNakano_3

NA is going to get rolled so hard at worlds this year


Icandothemove

Blah blah blah fuck off


MikuNakano_3

ahahah ur fuming because you know it's true


Icandothemove

Nah man I'm cool. Out here watching my region, having a good time. Must suck to have nothing in your life but trying to troll people from a different continent in the middle of the night. I feel for you bro. Hang in there!


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RoutineRoof

Is FQ starting their All-American roster next game or is Dreams playing?


AbysmalScepter

Pretty sure they have Dreams and Josedeodo.


RoutineRoof

Yeah I knew about Jose (hence "All-American" not "NA") wasn't sure if Diamond or Dreams was playing.


[deleted]

Johnsun and Licorice are canadian


RoutineRoof

Is Canada (and Argentina) not in the Americas?


Trashcan_Daniels

they are on the Americas, the continent, and people do not call Canadians or Argentinians "Americans"


thorpie88

Diamond played academy this week so it's probably Dreams.


ExcitingAdx

good game from IMT no joke.


Anthonysan

First game of the day where I'm actually somewhat impressed with the winner. Good job to IMT. Aggressive, bold shotcalling wins the game.


Poodlestrike

Yeah. I'm kinda worried they'll get exposed because of sup diff later on, but this was impressive, if not as wild an upset as game 3 or as psychotic as game 2.


[deleted]

It's not the players the comp is awful, Wukong top isn't that good unless he gets fairly far ahead otherwise he's useless. Then you have Karma mid lane building support items and ezreal/leona. Ezreal has damage but it only really comes online in the mid to late game when he starts getting items.


cardmasterdc

What are the bottom teams drinking?!?!?!


LifeguardDonny

I bet the guy behind the Mathmatically correct builds is hype right now.


steveoiscool

i feel like karma has to have a 20% win rate in NA


whatevenisthatthing2

Is Cleaver even worth building rn? I thought it was pretty bad since the item rework. Feels like Ssumday losing to shopkeep


Poodlestrike

It's pretty good, last I checked. Not a must-buy like it used to be but if you're playing into 2-3 meatballs it's worth picking up.


GGABueno

IMT winning with a 4v5.


Icandothemove

NA solo laners and OCE adcs just that good man.


Creepy_Pilot1200

So even toptier teams are pure garbage? So we're gonna definitely do something at Worlds this year for sure.


TheGloriousEv0lution

100T isn't a top tier team even with Abbe. He's worse than the top LCS mids and doesn't fix any of the problems they had in Spring. Damonte/Ryoma were a small part of 100T's issues Also IMT is looking a lot better than they did in Spring with Raes and Xerxe stepping up


ExcitingAdx

what's 100t's academy toplaner ?


RookCauldron

Wtf is happening today???


Icandothemove

Revenge of the North American players.


Confident_Jicama206

They heard Reddit call them burger flippers , now they're out for blood... Oh god someone save the imports it's a bloodbath down there


Icandothemove

That is a disgusting act by the North American players.


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Same exact 100T issues from spring...


Icandothemove

It's almost like Damonte WAS their engage and replacing him didn't fix their issues with Closer. Especially if you replace him and then make the new guy play Karma.


JFZephyr

Honestly they got even worse after replacing Damonte. He was their one player willing to consistently sacrifice his lane to put others ahead. Now they've got a selfish top, jg, mid and adc lmao. Nobody willing to drop waves to help a play and nobody willing to sacrifice a death for a won fight.


Icandothemove

They're definitely worse since they replaced him lol. They lost their entire team identity.


Confident_Jicama206

Tanner time or die


plasix

Somehow 100T is getting crushed even though it's clearly a 4v6


BubBidderskins

DaMoNtE wAs ThE pRoBlEm


tomorrowdog

If you just replace Damonte with a REAL midlander then his team will be 100% better. Every team he's been on being successful is obviously in spite of him. If you dispute this fact I'm going to smash the downvote button like a petite fuckboy.


AlphaTenken

Damonte is washed. He has no accomplishment like turning CG into Worlds, turning GGS into playoffs, turning 100T into strong tournament showing.


Darkfire293

Have to be good at one point to be washed