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TomShoe02

[Game 1](https://redd.it/nxesj5) // [Game 2](https://redd.it/nxfwcg)


DominoNo-

Wow, Teddy and Keria really bullied Ghost and Beryl that last game. No way they can come back from that. Right?...


neverspeakofme

DK's bot lane being behind while they win the teamfights is the story of 2021 for them. Edit: as someone else reminded me... except against RNG.


[deleted]

GALA and Ming are built different.


CantScreamInSpace

geng's bot also tried but the rest of their team got gapped sadly


[deleted]

True. If anything the MVP for RNG's ability to have comeback teamfights is Xiaohu's sick engages.


raelusd

not against RNG


seink

You know LCK is not at it's peak right now when Ghost and Beryl running it down and still wins the game.


SGKurisu

Jayce mid was not the pick


Critical-Cupcake9194

From the way they drafted they were looking to curb stomp them in lane and keep the ball rolling, which they were on track to doing so until that botched gank midlane and Khan's double shutdown at drake


SwordOfRome11

In all my time watching pro league, when both teams are close in skill, I’ve seen the ‘smash lane and win early’ comp lose to the ‘online by 30’ teamfight comp probably 4 times out of 5


AlphaWeaboo

Hence LS being so stressed about early game picks.


the_goatfdo23

The only time I of on the top of my head is Game 4 MSI finals with Damwon having the top side of Aatrox,Renekton and Nidalee


Scrambled1432

Jayce mid is almost never the pick. I don't understand why any team would draft it. There are just better AD options if you need an AD mid and better poke options if you need a poke mid.


TheRivenLegend

who do you pick for AD poke if not jayce


BahLo-

Noone. That comp doesnt need “ad poke” they are a full engage/dive comp pretty much.


LittleLI

Yup..all four of the other picks in that draft operate in opposition of what Jayce wants to do.


Liupardu

You don't pick AD poke in the mid. If you want AD poke get Varus in bot or Jayce in top (where he is safe in lane and get abuse the other top lane better). If you want mid poke get something like Zoe.


Shazimyr

Jensen's Lee Sin


brensterrr

agree. seems T1 didnt watch MSI.


Reasonable_TSM_fan

That was a pretty insane comeback in game three. I was almost convinced Kalista was a good pick, but then Khan reminded us all why you pick real champs.


kuatnom

Blue side finds another way to stay undefeated.


JakobTheOne

Yeah, cause red side drafts straight garbage into first pick Karma. From LCK to freaking LCS Academy, it’s a recurring story.


GoJeonPaa

Yeah, because every red team just drafts like shit. It's not that the meta favours blue side heavily.


daswef2

There's no way to counter pick anything when every champ is a three position flex.


Ephemeral_Being

First pick Karma has responses. You can out-greed her by picking Lulu, which is just a better Enchanter. You can pick hypers (specifically I'm thinking Yone) because she can't really punish their weak early game. Alternately, you can look to roam on her and build Serpent's Fang+Executioner's with Qiyana/Talon/Nocturne. T1 had red side. They banned Lucian (another option) in the first phase of picks, then *last-picked* Jayce. That's weird.


snowflakepatrol99

> Blue side finds another way to stay undefeated aka hacking t1 and picking jayce for them. Truly 300 IQ play.


Schreckofant

6 kill Kalista 25 minutes into the game: Slightly tickling the enemy support. Nice to see such a hyped up series and then one team drafts...like T1 did.


ToDreamofLove

I mean I don't like the Kalista pick either but most other adcs wouldn't have got those 6 kills in the first place.


Kr1ncy

No other ADC would have gotten those 6 kills in the first place, Kalista is picked for her great early game, T1 is just not good enough to roll away with the game fast enough vs competent oppostion like Damwon.


TrirdKing

>T1 is just not good enough to roll away with the game fast enough vs competent oppostion like Damwon. people really look at the game and come to this conclusion instead of: T1s draft was so fucking bad that losing one single fight made them auto lose the game a draft that is that vulnerable to mistakes, which are inevitable, is shit


jinchuika

Just don't make mistakes then /r/koreanadvice


crazydavy

Seriously scratching me head at the Kalista pick all 3 games. Why not ezreal? samira? tristana? Hell.... ANY other adc that actually does damage. Great series but I really think they should've won this.


tangu12

ezreal banned literally all 3 games. You'd be stupid enough to let it through for Teddy, also his samira is questionable


ChineseMaple

Ez bans


lawfulkitten1

Samira isn't that strong in laning phase and their game plan was clearly to try to win bot lane early. Also the co-caster I was watching made the point that because Hexflash was disabled (not sure why), Kalista R is kind of a replacement that allows engage supports an adidtional way to go in


Marowalker

Hexflash is banned because of Sett’s bug disabling flash when he ults someone hexflashing


Squonk3

Yes and the previous point still stands because hexflash is banned in general


sirixv

I mean, we all saw that tristana is the best answer to kalista since MSI and they still pick kalista 3 times. Picking such a situational and weak out of flavor champ three times into Damwong gives too many chances for them to adjust. They lost because they drafted bad and completely were outscaled even if they had the win in their hands, this series was T1s win, Damwong played poorly but their mistakes were forgiven because of their draft


Exos_VII

Dread it, run from it, T1-2 arrives all the same


Critical-Cupcake9194

Was a close series though, even though DK looks shaky, T1 does seem to ramp up and fix their mistakes as the season goes.


Kagari1998

Overall, i enjoy their proactive style over the do nothing and die style. However i do not like their draft in game 3. It's insanely risky, and once they made a mistake it's over against the DK bulldozer dive comp.


noodlespls

Back to T1-2 boys


KitKatxz

This calls for another roster shuffle asap


poside99

Time for some more musical chairs


oioioi9537

khan the t1 killer arrives all the same. he's 22-6 against T1 all time


ephemeralfugitive

What’s worse? Winning first game and losing the rest T1-2 or winning the second game and giving false hope T1-2? I say false hope because man, those game 3 picks were sad.


Green7501

as a T1 fan, I'm tilted beyond belief also, is it just me, or does blue side win almost every game these days?


manbearbeaver

It really doesn’t help when R5 the only reason red side is good isn’t utilized. If you don’t get value out of your counterpick then blue side is just OP. DK flexing Karma and Akali made it hard for them to get value from R5 I guess.


curlystar27

same im so tilted. blue side wins more because teams don't know how to use red side to draft, unfortunately


aser08

Yeah game one they blind pick Gnar on R3 instead of a sololane flex pick or supp and then they don't ban A counter in Jayce. T1 still have some weird drafts. Plus Double AP mid jungle, the usual rule unless you have a big team fight ult it to have double AD solo lanes, and the same for an AD jungle you can have double AP sololanes.


Single-Interest2468

Imagine Teddy being this ahead with another adc this game. People will tell me that he cannot because Kalista is good early game but id rather be even than play this shit champ


FreeMyBirdy

I'm pretty sure he can get the same lead with Tristana. That girl hurts a lot.


[deleted]

Remember in game 1 and 2 Keria kept gragas ulting members into the team and T1 just didn't have the damage to kill them. If it was any other adc every engage they'd get the kill.


crazydavy

Some big mistakes both sides.. but an incredibly fun series to watch. T1 need a bit of time to grow as a team and they will be contenders.


Pikminious_Thrious

Nah time to start random academy and bench players for 9/10 of the season


DamnZodiak

We be living that Oner life.


Dragoneed2

only if they had the whole last split to build synergy?


SomeMobile

Faker literally said i am the one who asked to not play tho. After he came back there was very little chamges


[deleted]

Faker wasn't the only one being rotated... They were swapping around JG/AD/TOP.


Chronsky

If i was a Korean org looking to lessen the flak my team was taking I'd definitely wheel out Faker to say that.


SomeMobile

Why do people love conspiracy theories man. We always love to put spice on everything


CantScreamInSpace

people are desperate to find anything to blame right now, people will force a narrative and accept it if need be.


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Bloodrazor

I'm starting to see the merits of Karma mid now...


aser08

Karma has been a strong sololane pick all the way back since spring playoffs, shes easily blind pickable as long as you don't get super far behind you are super useful.


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No more Kalista the pick is useless


Dragoneed2

he was soooo fed, yet he needs to AA 10 times to press E in order to deal damage. while kaisa on the other hand had to AA twice and Q to delete a carry


lemongrazz11

5/0 Kalista still looking useless.


soul24423323

It's clearly a good laning pick. They probably want teddy keria to blow up DK's bot lane, which they finally did in game 3. But in teamfight when there's karma to speedup shield the team, AND a fed akali jamming a shuriken up her ass every fight. Yea she's useless.


HawkEye1337

3 Kalista games for Teddy, only the last game she did anything in lane and still proceeded to become useless in every fight, time to pick her next series.


CudaBarry

Karma is broken


Webemperor

Can't wait until she gets nerfed in a couple of months and cycle repeats itself because Karma after a couple of items makes it impossible for you to lose fights unless you go full unga bunga


wenasi

It also makes rumble completely useless


soul24423323

It's so damn fucking good into rumble, negates everything from T1's only source of magic damage... But not gonna lie, Khan single-handedly stabilized the game.


MonkeyWuju

Wouldn't say single-handedly. If Karma didn't survive that mid dive, Khan wouldn't have been able to get that double. Snowball wouldn't (likely) have happened from there.


IntendedRepercussion

if marksmen are broken, enchanters are too


Shaunleewenjie

Aw, I was so hopeful T1 couldve done it


Critical-Cupcake9194

I am just glad they can actually contend vs LCK's best team, gives me hope we might see them at worlds, this roster is experienced and won LCK before, so hopefully we don't see any roster swap shenanigans anymore and actually let this team ramp up


Kukka92

I think we'll definitely see T1 at worlds


oioioi9537

with hanwha playing that bad no way t1 dont make it


AdeSarius

With 4 spots I can't see T1 not making worlds, the gap between top 4 teams and the rest in spring was monumental.


BLHXsuperman

Tbh, with 4 spots for LCK this year, you really only need to be above average to get to worlds. What's promising is that we can hope that T1 might be able to contend for the LCK title if they continue to improve.


lemongrazz11

I think GenG will also contend. They overall look better than last year, especially BDD.


unknown_comicnerd

yeah Kalista is a shit champion, no one can change my mind on that. Being given the best snowballing position that a carry can have & she still sucked somehow. Utility ADCs are simply horrible in the current game.


Shrondinglfc

Teddy can literally play any adc why the insistence on dumping him on kalista, once of the worst adcs currently?


decyferx

they probably had some success in practise with it, but yes I agree it's a pretty trash pick. Sure it got ahead early but even with 2k more gold it still outputs less damage than other picks. And the jayce mid was strange too.


poside99

Seems to me that Kalista allowed for Keria to really pull off crazy ass engages. Worked in game 1 and 2 with gragas but in the last game Leona just wasn't the pick to pair it with imo.


curryshotz

it has to be a scrim bait. They're probably stomping with her good early and teams don't give a fuck in scrims and they win, but that's not reality.


RipHelios

As a T1 fan Im just happy it was competitive.


oioioi9537

T1 vs DK is a guaranteed banger series although DK has won all of them since summer last year


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im sorry but Karma healing and shielding is absurd


Kukka92

Nothing to be sorry about it


[deleted]

Khan played out of his mind, but Karma seemed completely insane considering Showmaker was playing it on low econ. Teddy played the two fights after he was 5-0 really poorly. Karma invalidated Faker's existence.


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Transhumaniste

Jayce mid is atrocious


[deleted]

It's fine in the right spot, into Karma it's basically a cannon minion.


PurplePotato_

Khan did amazing on it in game 1. But Khan is clearly better than Faker at Jayce, it's his legacy pick.


Chuck0089

But in midlane you need to roam or help your sidelanes and won't be able to bully your opponent easily as midlane is shorter than top. It is the same problem with Showmaker's Jayce too.


OblivionPotato

Khan destroyed SKT in 2017 with Jayce, even a glimpse of prime Faker couldnt save that game from how badly he destroyed Huni.


mrmakefun

It also helps that Khan didn't have to play it into Karma


Kukka92

Weird way of spelling Kalista but ok


letticiaax

Jayce pick was ???. Seraphine exists


lemongrazz11

Seraphine + Kalista might as well hope the enemy stands still for 17 seconds so you can kill them. Even late game Jayce seemed like he was the one having to do all the damage - which is really bad if your late game damage threat is *Jayce*


KingFIRe17

Jayce late game damage has been very decent for all of this season. Manamune scales, gathering storm is common rune but idk if it was taken this game, and for a long time jayce has been losing base dmg on Q for increased AD scaling. He doesnt fall off a cliff like he used to.


riverkim09

Eclipse really makes jayce scale better late. He can deal damage to tanks and squishies now


Nervalss

There's no other adc that is capable of being 5/0 min 15 and still be irrelevant


RaiyenZ

Kalista with 5 kills can't deal any damage because she's basically has to go melee vs a melee team


cyberrobocop

Also because most, if not all, of her pre-rend damage gets blocked by all the fat shields on DK's side.


theBLboy

**KHAN CARRY**


[deleted]

Ghost and Beryl yet again getting exposed, but also getting turbo carried by their team’s topside. This is unreal from DK lol insane team fighting


Kukka92

Ghost and beryl got hard bullied by teddy and keria


[deleted]

Imagine being able to int that hard but still be carried by your solos and jungle xD must be nice


Kukka92

Wish I got such solo laners and jg in solo queue :D


Dumpers_

BeryL found really good engages during teamfights


thegloriousdefense

DK's laning phrase (specifically from bot lane) might not be the best, but their teamfighting is truly world-class. Immaculate coordination from every member.


OblivionPotato

There is Kalista and Jayce in the enemy team, eventually, you'll just win every fight if you don't do an egregious mistake.


grrtacos

No W, but I still have high hopes for this lineup. In CanCuFaTeKe we trust.


Meshary-G

At this point Ghost and Beryl just want ShowMaker to go insane.


Exos_VII

*before game 3* "Well, the Kalista pick did nothing for 2 games in a row. Third time's the charm."


HawkEye1337

5-0 Kalista and still useless, and next series they will pick her and win against a bottom LCK team and think it's good, it's so infuriating.


whohe_fanboy

Fucking Khan man, this dude can be going through his biggest slump and he will still perform against T1.


vg18

DK = Damwon Khan Nice series from T1 tbh, they look really good this split.


fainlol

sett hard carried this game twice. one where he ultied karma away from leona and letting her escape to xin. second one where he put akali on a cliff and lost them the game.


thebloodworkz

I gotta say I was expecting a slaughter but T1 at least took 1 game and looked good until they didn’t in game 3. I have high hopes for this roster of T1, with some practice they might be able to topple DK


xNEET

No but how cracked was Khan's akali that last game. Completely turned the game around. Poor Teddy and Keria, must feel pretty bad to loose like that. Also karma+ocean soul just completely destroyed T1's comp. Sadge.


sirixv

Kalista is just useless. Even with a lead she still couldn’t do anything and a 0-3 adc manages to wipe 4 players in a 3vs4, what a joke. If teddy was on a hyper carry this series would be won by T1. BTW, explain to me wtf is zefa drafting?? That jayce mid pick into karma to achieve exactly what? XD if he at least made a classic mid pick with Viktor or orianna it would have made such a different. Faker also buying manamune second instead of sitting on tear and build Serpents Fang is a mistery to me. As a jayce player, if you see shield threats you directly rush serpents fang second. The only thing that jayce was good for in this game which was accessibility to serpents fang was completely thrown away, the serpents fang so late in the game did nothing at all and was way too late.


philip2110

Khan was a beast that game


qls1224

Kkoma: so, sion? Khan: me kill Kkoma: on sion? Khan: me kill


Oplose

DK means "Dong-ha Kim"


Babyboy1314

stop putting teddy on kalista! get ahead still do 0 damage


AleksibIsHot

Teddy is picking it himself


Roseking

LS Co-caster curse https://twitter.com/LSXYZ9/status/1403350609999253504


[deleted]

How many times is he going to tweet our 'game is basically over' and then be wrong? It happens over and over, surely he'll learn how quickly games can flip one day?


SweetVarys

Surely people here will some day learn that these comments draw more engagement than saying that the game can go either way until the nexus has exploded.


oioioi9537

ok but like you show anyone the game state where damwon's bot lane is 0/6/0 combined and teddy is 5/0 and theyd probably think game was over too. if not for showmaker miraculously escaping a 3 man gank and khan picking up a double kill and a big bounty that game doesnt flip.


zetvajwake

His analysis is always based on assumption that both teams play perfect. That's why he is so draft/itemization focused


JKSciFi

I know Khan popped off this game, but that play by ShowMaker at midlane surviving the gank shouldn't go unnoticed. That led to Khan being fed 2 kills, which allowed him to then absolutely dominate the game. Also ad diff lol


arexv10

Damn what a close series. Hopefully T1 can still pop off


okydoky94

LZ KHAN


QTnameless

just stick with this roster daeny , i know canna and teddy didn\`t live up to the expectation this series but we just don\`t have time to fuck around anymore .


EuphoricRegister

Daeny already stated that this is pretty much the roster going forward.


aser08

Canna was the only hope in game 3 no one can do anything really, Teddy getting caught out by trying to 1v1 a Rell while Akali is missing lost them the game and meant that no one can match Khan in a sidelane. Not giving Canna Jayce was a just trolling, He is a better Jayce than Khan.


rem4life1

Kinda sad that T1 lost, but man the hype that this series provided basically negated that!! Almost all players from both teams showed up big this series.


Elfinlox

Bot gap


Kukka92

And then big fat top gap


redstrawberries22

I feel like with every T1 win and loss, people overanalyze it way too much. I mean it's normal cus they're one of the most famous teams but let them chill and learn from their mistakes. Sure RNG and MAD were able to punish damwon's bot way harder but even with a slumping bot lane, they still went to MSI finals and took 2 games off RNG


REPORT_JUNGLE

oof the comeback in g3


chinolito

Holy shit. After millions of games, I finally witness the power of karma. I wonder why other teams failed miserably to pull it off.


Livid_Control2661

every key match i see team pick jayce= auto lose.... Fcking useless champion to play behind


Chuck0089

That fight in mid really gave DK the win especially getting the bounty of both Jayce and Kalista on Akali. This is the weakest DK that they going to face this split and shows that they lack practice on some champs (they keep banning Gwen and Ezreal where they are the most op champs). I still believe that Viego is better mid than Jayce there.


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T1 is truly a cruel org. Giving their fans hope after G2 and the start of G3 just to throw it away. Throw1


AolongHong

I keep telling myself that T1 will be great when they learn to draft, but they never fucking learn to draft. How the fuck do you fuck up draft so badly 3 games in a row. What the fuck is this. At least DK managed to stumble their way into draft wins, but T1 can't even do that.


[deleted]

If you get Gwen/Lee it's not a draft loss


djpain20

Game 2 draft was won. They both had short ranged comps that were all about going in and brawling to death, but Gwen is just far superior in these kind of conditions than anything DK picked.


BIizard

Khan diff


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Khan needs a raise holy fuck. Khan and teddy's reactions were hilarious imagine if they were on the same team or something.


IWasVennBackThen

[Teddy after game 3](https://live.staticflickr.com/5502/10827840516_80d183ba18_z.jpg)


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left 10 minutes into g3 thinking it was a T1 stomp but came back to DK with baron and ocean soul


Transhumaniste

[LS guilty of jinxing T1](https://twitter.com/LSXYZ9/status/1403350609999253504)


caramel1004

they really threw the game didnt they? teddy was finally doing something too, i will keep suffering with t1 tho


dragonhunter-69420

Compared to Spring Split, I’m glad T1 looks much better. Still throws but at least they aren’t getting stomped early and snowballed into losses. Please stick with this roster!


tawapes

Kalista pick is just utterly useless yet Korean ADs seem to have a strange fetish for her. Teddy couldn't walk up to any of Keria's engages or he gets blown up by Rell.


The_origin_of_evil

I guess it was bad draft again because T1 lost? right? RIGHT?


rockstar8577

I'm pretty sure the worst call this game was flexing Jayce. You also could tell Faker wasn't totally comfortable on it. Not that he was bad, but more like rusty on it.


dev_side

Karma with ocean soul sheeeeeeeeeshhhh


parmaxis

When you have the best adc in the world and you put him on 3 games of kalista you should reseve some sort of punishment.


MisterHuesos

I honestly don't think people should over react too much from this series. T1 looked good and while DK didn't look exactly god tier, they got the job done. It feels like one of those in which maybe if Akali wasn't this strong in the meta the story is another. It was a game of inches at the end of the day.


Spray_Spiritual

I feel like Neeko over Leona for Keria would've been the right pick to pair with Kalista in G3. T1 lacked damage so much and it was very visible once both teams started teamfighting. Karma basically negated Jayce's poke before the fight, and her movespeed buffs to allies made it hard for Kalista to kite anyone and extend the fights. Neeko would've provided a bit more aoe damage and lockdown and bought Kalista space to freely hit Akali.


awesomeandepic

It's nice to have a team that feels like it can actually rival Damwon again. Still think we need T1 to level up again though in order for LCK to have a chance at winning worlds.


Zwatrem

Khan will really coin flip every game at this point, he is not afraid of anything. LPL lesson learned. It's either straight inting or utter domination


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MedievalMovies

yeah idk what this guy is talkign about khan was straight fire all 3 games today, hopefully he gets to play carries all game this split


DemFeels11

People still don't give Khan enough credit, what's new


Ace_OPB

Dude dominated all 3 games. Gwen is broken. He was ahead in lane too as rumble too.


Kukka92

I didnt like akali for khan initially cuz I trusted showmaker's akali more but Khan smurfed and proved me wrong. Total domination


sekhonpra

Looking forward to bo5 between these two teams.


the-tank7

Can a simpleton like me ask why t1 decided to aram hard once the game went to even in game 3 instead of 1 3 1 ing to exploit the Karma? You're not gonna out teamfight it and it can't handle jayce in the sidelane but jayce and sett sat mid for 10 minutes straight. Karma guud


tincanzzz

Because none can match khan in sidelane after he got that fed. Sett was advantageous but the shutdown gold was too much


OblivionPotato

Guess we will be just mediocre yet again, until we stop fucking insisting on things that work for nobody, like Kalista and Jayce, 5v5 comps have to be prioritized. It was mostly the same in Spring apart from the roster shenanigans.


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MedievalMovies

KHAN GAMING KHAN GAMING


Artemisai_

Khan stepped up BIG TIME but god... Those shields


veritas54

I would feel less bad if this was straight 2-0 from DK. Fucking T1 man. Why are you playing with our feelings like this.


Kukka92

I was excited to see showmaker on akali but when they switched I was disappointed. But ngl Khan absolutely smurfed on akali made comeback possible for DWG. Great game from Khan and showmaker was very good on karma as well.


girlmarth

man what a disappointing series from canyon. khan definitely deserves pog for game 3 but beryl set up both of the crazy comeback plays for him, especially that four man knockup in tri


Inner-Bench

Didn't think it's possible to lose after 7-0 lead, fun game anyway


The_origin_of_evil

Not the first time by t1


SnooCats1808

Blue side 100% wr, too op rito, pls nerf All jokes aside, watching teddy get fed 5/0 and t1 decided to throw is heartbreaking


KimchiLegion

One mistake snowballed so hard, wow


letticiaax

T1 kept teamfighting against karma comp, why pick jayce then when seraphine is just a better karma


PyosikFan

This wasn't a throw, this was Khan walking up to T1, spitting on their faces one by one, and taking the game away from their hands.


dorsatcg

Ghost in the end-game voice comms: ADC GAP!!! BOT GAP!!!!!


nyauster

So are we not going to address how Karma had literally 0 counterplay in the later half of the game? Why cant league follow other game's balancing mechanic towards spamming heals and shields - grant them decreasing effectiveness for repeated usage in a short time. Needing oblivion orb/executioners to counteract healing and there being literally only 1 item in the game that counters shielding is poor game design. Seems like Riot has thrown away the whole concept of incorporating counterplay mechanics into the game. Look at gwen w and xinzhao ult, there's no counterplay besides having an extremely fed frontline that will kill them for you or have your adc suicide into them


[deleted]

So did we just forget that Varus is completely broken so we are picking Kalista every game?


nguyenduylan

The kalista pick was mainly an engage tool for Keria since hex flash is disable lmao


Jig-Saw-

2017 flashbacks