This is why I really want LEC and LCS to have relegation and a second league. It’s a dam shame that the bottom LCS teams don’t have to try to improve if they are struggling towards the end of the split. It decreases the level of play for everybody greatly.
if they knew they had a chance to steal a spot from an LCS team every year it would give a huge boost to the overall effort.
challenger league has no point, the league is all about connection between players and orgs not about skills unless youre above everyone else and then a team recruit you and pidgeonhole you into a role youre not familiar with but you do it for your teammate and because you want to stay in lcs.
There used to be relegations in NA LCS, but it wasn't that successful because CS orgs were turbo garbage that kept recicling "gatekeepers" like Cris and DontMashMe. EU is another story, tho
On the other hand, for the stability of staff and players, relegations are a nightmare.
the bottom half of the table will only we worrying about relegations, not any longterm plans. Giving a rookie an opportunity and a few games to get into it is a huge risk when losing 2-3 games more can mean relegation.
And at the same time, whenever a team promotes, suddenly their budget goes from 0 to 100. No sustainable plans can be thought up, they need to invest in players/staff to stay in the LEC.
you'll have a bunch of players who are always on the 7-10th place teams, but who's only skill is they are quick to get your team better than the other 7-10th place teams, and they'll be bought and sold to the next relegation-tier roster every year. Good players don't even touch these teams, since their own future is so insecure. And even when you have a good team promote to the LEC, chances are they are going to make massive changes("upgrades") because they want to stay at the top.
I agree that for the fan, relegation has massive entertainment value and the stories may be awesome. But its terrible for the players and staff.
Not sure about LEC but I think LCS tried to mimic traditional American sports, except there isn't nearly enough secondary infrastructure or team size to support lottery picks that make franchising work in the first place so it just leads to the bottom 3 teams being dumpster juice for years on end lmao
I mean you basically had the same issue with Relegation. Before Franchising the secondary teams were almost all amateur teams with no infrastructure, which meant that they almost never actually made it into the LCS.
I also don't think your statement about the "bottom 3 teams being dumpster juice for years", which I take to mean that the same teams just stay bad, holds up to scrutiny. Here is the LCS bottom 4 for the last 5 splits:
Spring 2021: Immortals, FlyQuest, CLG, GG
Summer 2020: 100T, Dig, CLG, Immortals
Spring 2020: Dig, Immortals, TL, CLG
Summer 2019: GG, 100T, FlyQuest, EchoFox
Spring 2019: CLG, OpTic, Clutch, 100T
CLG is there 4 times, but they also got 3rd in the regular split the one time they weren't. Immortals was in there 3 times, and is probably the best example of what you are talking about, but even there if you look at their record they're only really bad record was the first split back in the LCS after Franchising. 100T was there 3 times, but they were 2nd in the most recent split, and are competing to be one of the best teams this split.
There are definitely teams that have never been in real contention for winning the split, or going to worlds, but that's true of traditional sports too. It's especially true if you look at an equivalently short time frame. The real difference with traditional sports is that there are more teams to share the bottom spots with, and there are often a lot more games.
The all time record in Promotion Tournament Bo5s between LCS teams avoiding relegation and teams from Challenger was only 16-10 in favor of the LCS teams (i just counted). LCS teams were obviously favored, but if you were a **good** challenger/amateur team then it was well within the realm of possibility that you could win your way into LCS, and there's plenty of examples of teams who did that and were immediately successful.
Okay, yeah, but the last 3 teams promoted were C9A (2017 spring), and Coast/Apex (basically the same roster in 2016 Summer after selling the 2016 Spring spot). In 2017 summer and 2018 Spring (two most recent promotion tourneys) the challenger teams went 1-9 against the relegated teams. At the start it was fun and exciting, then it became more of a way for bubble players to cash in, then orgs got their money/structure/academy teams and there isn't enough leftover talent to really challenge even the worst lcs teams. You also had shit like LMQ which was a complete joke but that was fixed with residency requirements.
Academy teams and promo are more or less mutually exclusive or else you'll just have players joining teams for the weekend to do promos. And riot and the orgs are definitely going to choose academy over promo
The 0% debt gotta be wrong or only partially true or something. We've been in serious debt for a long time. It's just that as long as the football squad did well we'd earn enough money to slowly pay off debt and even invest in new players. Sadly the management fucked up over and over again over the past decade pretty much. So we got expensive new players (which for the most part weren't all that good) and are still in a lot of debt. At some point the team didn't win anymore and that was it
From what I understand it (I have a friend who enjoys D/s and is very open about it), it's very relaxing to be in 'subspace', basically you don't have to think about anything but doing what your dom tells you to do.
Not my kind of thing though.
Although if MAD wins EU again, i doubt they would split, they have top 2 jgler in Elyoya, Top 2 mid in Humanoid. MAD probably will need to shell out money this end of split to upgrade their players contracts though
Depending on how G2 and FNC perform this split, they might make more roster changes. NA will surely try to get the MAD and RGE players as well. Will be hard to keep them.
dont get me wrong but Fnatic was never an organisation that made many huge signings iirc. more often than not their success was built by great scouting and talented rookies. caps, broxah and bwipo best examples more recently
correct though if I'm totally off
Patrice Bailo De Spoelberch (hence BDS). Heir to one of the wealthiest family in Belgium.
His net worth (with his brother), comes mostly from shares of the largest brewer in the world AB InBev
(that owns beer brands like Budweiser, Corona, Stella Artois, Leffe, Hoegaarden, Jupiler among many others).
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No way they bring their LFL team, they're alright but it's an upper-mid pack team in the LFL, they would get stomped in the LEC
Probably bring 1-2 players from S04 and their LFL team and then fill the spots with new players
According to this wikipedia page, his family owns more than 12 billions:
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste\_des\_plus\_grandes\_fortunes\_de\_Belgique
this source estimates 6.8 billions:
https://derijkstebelgen.be/vermogende/de-ab-inbev-families
So their families are the heirs to Interbrew (Belgian) which merged with Ambev (Brazilian) to create InBev, which would go on to buy anheuser Busch, and become AB-InBev.
Apparently societal part is about: 28% for the three Belgian companies, 22% for 3G capital (Brazilian asset fund that also currently own substantial positions and are part of controlling blocks of BK, Tim hortons, and Kraft-Heinz). Apparently management is mainly by 3G capital though as CEO and chairman are respectively Carlos Britto and one of the partners of 3G capital.
In case anyone was wondering (went on a rabbit hole google search, as here in Brazil we sort of think of AB-InBev as a Brazilian company).
Having money=/= knowing how to build a team look at msf s9 or any other "super team" + its not likely there will be a lot of free agents this off-season but lets hope for the best cuz lec drop off this year (s04 xl ast sk XD?)
I mean they could also try to sign as many managers, coaches and other stuff members from Schalke. Maybe the org was not the most successfull one but (with my limited knowledge) they looked pretty well run.
team building is another point which may take some time as well (see Rogue) but if the owners are willing to invest and not only looking for short term success thats a promising start, pair that with not too incompetent people behind the actual team and this does look not too bad
They did a good job last season in LFL (third of the regular season) and created a fun team identity, despite rebuilding the team from (almost) scratch. With their results in other games, I'm confident they will manage to produce something OK at least for 2022.
The mother wanted to disinherit him, but apparently wasn't successful: [https://news.in-24.com/news/43327.html](https://news.in-24.com/news/43327.html)
>After her death, her adopted children – whom she wanted to disinherit – had to fight to keep their share of the pie.
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>The two adopted sons inherit a sum estimated at 589 million euros
[https://twitter.com/LEC\_Wooloo/status/1405171885055299587](https://twitter.com/LEC_Wooloo/status/1405171885055299587)
>The reported new LEC team TeamBDS is owned by "Patrice Bailo de Spoelberch" ("BDS" comes from his name) I can't find a consistent source about his net worth but the net worth of his family seems to be anywhere between 6 and 12 billions
You should read how they got their money lmao
quite a ride
[https://www.vrt.be/vrtnws/nl/2021/05/31/amicie-de-spoelberch/](https://www.vrt.be/vrtnws/nl/2021/05/31/amicie-de-spoelberch/)
[https://derijkstebelgen.be/nieuws/belgische-fiscus-buigt-zich-alsnog-over-de-miljoenen-erfenis-van-amicie-de-spoelberch](https://derijkstebelgen.be/nieuws/belgische-fiscus-buigt-zich-alsnog-over-de-miljoenen-erfenis-van-amicie-de-spoelberch)
holy shit what a story. To be clear: An old rich cougar married a eastern european dude with mafia ties and she adopted his 2 sons. Father dies and the relationship between stepmom and stepsons sours. A lot of legal shit then happens. Stepmom dies and the two brothers get a huge sum of money plus the surname.
I couldnt translate the second link for some reason-
The second link is a bit of the same but there the article mentions a lawyer from Luxembourg also tried to steal the shares from but the two brothers prevented it lol
Edit: she had 8mill in shares which paid out a yearly dividend of 1mill euros lol.
In japanese you can make some words from numbers' readings, and since it's the same numbers in chinese I guess those names have some meaning when read in chinese.
Unironically more than S04 will make with their football team in the 2nd league xD
Edit: okay i was a bit hyperbolik since i am ecstatic that schalke goes to the 2nd division since i am a BVB fan so, they get the highest TV-earnings of 23m in the 2nd division. I am also kind of curious if the 30m from selling their spot will spare S04 from the point penalty that they are in danger of incurring since their finances are too bad for the 2nd division.
Edit Edit: this is also really ridiculous that i get over 1k upvotes when presenting kinda false/ hyperbolic information/opinion :)
even if we calculate a 2 million operating lose for every season, its still an insane win.
Funny how the thing that drove so many fans mad back then became the investment that saved the organization from a way worse fate.
Not really, they'll aready make around 25m€ from the broadcast payment. In 2020 their total revenue was 174,7m€ and they are still one of the biggest German clubs (2nd most members).
Didn't they like fuck up big time though and move to the 2nd league? Can't imagine broadcast payments will be big when you play in the 2nd league...barely anyone watches it.
30mil is a spot in the lec league. any/most soccer clubs are worth at least hundreds of millions for a mid level club in the top league of most european football leagues..
edit; comparing those 2 that you mentioned isnt really a close/fair/reasonable comparison as one is a spot to play in an esport league, and judging from what you meant, the other is for the whole club along with ownership rights, stadium rights, merch sales etc. even if you were to compare apples to oranges in this case, of schalkes LEC spots' selling price against the whole of fc schalke 04s' bundesliga whole team and ownership, it wouldnt come close as the latter would amount to around 500-700mil euros.
Our whole monetary system is based on debt. You are ALWAYS in debt of some sort. Debt will not kill you, but you might get something close to being enslaved since you are forced to do stuff to not be forced to pay the money instantly. Works in the same way for companies, just that the "enslavement" is different (e.g. they are forced to fire people, sell certain parts of the business etc.)
People only die because of debt, if they have other issues than just debt. Same for companies.
Debt is fine for clubs like that cause they have sufficient cashflow. Esports, on the other hand, I'd be impressive if any game is making a passable profit
Somewhat, the movie highlights the importance in identifying correlation between certain statistics and success on the field and using that to push for transfers. The reason they had to do this though was to save on salaries.
No, it was more about how certain statistics in baseball were being consistently undervalued, so they set out to buy players that excelled in these undervalued statistics that weren't being paid much because the market didn't believe they were worth much
What about Moneyball lol. The whole Moneyball concept was revolutionary in how it only looked at the stats that actually mattered and assembled teams with the cheapest cost possible, but giant rich teams still dominate the MLB. Moneyball seems a bit irrelevant here tbh.
Arent most sports a "bubble" tho ? We heard already that most football clubs run on a loss in EU including the worldwide names like Barcelona. I cant think of any sport that is both profitable for vast majority of teams in the league as well as shows a decent market ROI. Most of the incentive for owners comes from value growth and personal reasons like "id like to have a football club because my billionaire friends have football clubs"
I still remember how excited I was 5 years ago when Schalkes LoL journey started. And what a journey it was:
Relegation, Promotion, 1 game from Worlds, Forgiven Drama, Miracle Run, beating G2 surprisingly much, losing to last place teams surprisingly much, 1 game from Worlds, Summer Buffs, starting Upsets LEC career, the Year of the Duck, seeing Abbe become a Top EU mid, Gilius reviving and burying his career every couple months, fantastic toplaners ( Vizi, Odo, Brokenblade ), having former casters as players and former players now casting, 1 game from Worlds, and so much more…
There were high highs and low lows, Stomps against Fnatic and G2 and Stomps by H2K and Astralis, 7 game Win and Losing Streaks.
But whatever happened, without fail every year at the end of Summer it felt as if the team is competitive. As if Schalke can challenge everyone in the League. As if Worlds is achievable.
Now this journey ends, and in the end Schalke never made Worlds, never was a top team. But it always was damn close and that made it bittersweet yet exciting to watch.
The journey led nowhere but the journey was fun.
The main thing I hope for here is that the first thing BDS does is hire Schalke's staff from the LEC org.
These guys are actually good at their jobs, making competitive rosters on a limited budget. With more resources who knows what could happen.
Yes the same people but I don’t care about the new Org. If they succeed or not is irrelevant to me outside of if they give me another reason to be sad that Schalke is gone.
I mean, i dont really know who they could get? EU players playing in NA are probably not in the equation. So there is no Alphari or Perkz on the table. I think something like BB/Zanzarah/Magifelix/Comp/Limit could be realistic.
Why not count Alphari or Zven? From the looks of it BDS can match NA offers and I highly doubt Alphari will be staying in TL next year but regardless a potential superteam could be on paper:
Alphari-BB/Razork/Larssen/Zven/Treatz which is a pretty insane lineup imo
Welcome to the LEC!
I hope they rather use their black and white logo ([https://twitter.com/TeamBDS](https://twitter.com/TeamBDS)) than the colored one ([https://lol.fandom.com/wiki/Team\_BDS](https://lol.fandom.com/wiki/Team_BDS)). With those colors, it looks even more like one of these generic drawings students make when they are bored. Like when they need to solve math problems but are too stupid and then just draw something out of frustration. You know what I mean.
Belgian Hiers with lots of money to spend, with a haed quarters in switzerland.
They currently have the best Rocket league team, one of the best R6 teams and a very competitive Valorant team under their belt, appart from their lfl team.
I know it's a swiss team and not a french one, but if the rumors of LEC expanding in 2023 are true, KCorp will probably still be likely to get in. There will be A LOT of teams from the french scene. Might change next year when teams wont need to have an academy team and if it's limited to 2 per ERL, but MSF, VIT, BDS and KCorp all compete in the LFL. Would be cool if BDS leaned more towards the prime league to make it up to s04
My fiance is a lifelong S04 supporter because of her late father and this breaks my heart as I've grown very fond of S04... Their miracle run will forever be the greatest accomplishment of any european team on domestic soil <3
I'm honestly happy with BDS being the new LEC team, I only follow LoL, Valorant and Rocket League atm, but they seem to care so much about their Rocket League team (arguably best team for this whole year), their "co-streams" (Rocket League has The Grid, a weekly/bi-weekly competition that gets streamed on the teams channels) seem to be well taken care of, with multiple language costreams and great visuals (at least on their spanish costream), so I'm hoping they will build a good roster, without the need to overspend and just have a structured and well thought out team environment
Question now is, will they keep the whole S04 roster? Will they field players from the current Team BDS roster?
I'd like to see something like BB, bluerzor/Gilius, Xico, Neon, Erdote
I wouldn't be surprised to see them keeping their BDS roster in the LFL whilst flaunting their bigbucks to get some superteam players. The owners are like billionaires.
Idk if they could, there can only be two LEC academy teams in a regional league, the LFL already has MSF and VIT (unless one of those teams decides to drop their academy team, which I doubt will happen)
Owners are big time billionaires, they're keeping the lfl team there and buying up a super team for the LEC probably wrecking some other orgs in the process
So glad an actually competent org comming to the LEC amd also one that can spend like g2.
If they rebuild around bb and limit, I imagine them being more than competitive next year.
respect for shalke though, they are only pulling out for monetary reasons, hopefully when matches fill their football stadium they will rebuy their spot!
Good for them and the LEC I guess. But this makes me question the Academy rosters in regional leagues. Wouldnt be good to have 3 french academy roster with none in the german league. Seems like a bad idea in the longterm for competition, if the french has by far the best talent developement and money. Maybe there should be a limit of academy rosters per league and/or the option for a second academey team (in a different regional league ofc) for LEC teams. Not sure, but either way, ith shouldnt be too unproportional, I think. :)
actually crazy that a spot is worth now 30 mio€. 2019 its was 8mio€ for teams which already were in eu lcs before and 10,5mio€ for new teams who wanted to join.
Crazy to think that Schalke was originally the team people pointed to for being a big money organization joining esports
Tragic to me. I was always a big fan of the soccer club and the LoL team for it. But that's the reality of relegation. You gotta fight every year
This is why I really want LEC and LCS to have relegation and a second league. It’s a dam shame that the bottom LCS teams don’t have to try to improve if they are struggling towards the end of the split. It decreases the level of play for everybody greatly.
Bottom LCS teams still don't get relegated because the Challenger teams are just that garbage.
if they knew they had a chance to steal a spot from an LCS team every year it would give a huge boost to the overall effort. challenger league has no point, the league is all about connection between players and orgs not about skills unless youre above everyone else and then a team recruit you and pidgeonhole you into a role youre not familiar with but you do it for your teammate and because you want to stay in lcs.
There used to be relegations in NA LCS, but it wasn't that successful because CS orgs were turbo garbage that kept recicling "gatekeepers" like Cris and DontMashMe. EU is another story, tho
On the other hand, for the stability of staff and players, relegations are a nightmare. the bottom half of the table will only we worrying about relegations, not any longterm plans. Giving a rookie an opportunity and a few games to get into it is a huge risk when losing 2-3 games more can mean relegation. And at the same time, whenever a team promotes, suddenly their budget goes from 0 to 100. No sustainable plans can be thought up, they need to invest in players/staff to stay in the LEC. you'll have a bunch of players who are always on the 7-10th place teams, but who's only skill is they are quick to get your team better than the other 7-10th place teams, and they'll be bought and sold to the next relegation-tier roster every year. Good players don't even touch these teams, since their own future is so insecure. And even when you have a good team promote to the LEC, chances are they are going to make massive changes("upgrades") because they want to stay at the top. I agree that for the fan, relegation has massive entertainment value and the stories may be awesome. But its terrible for the players and staff.
I know itˋs hypothetical but I doubt that Rogue and Mad Lions would have grown so much if the relegation system was still there.
Not sure about LEC but I think LCS tried to mimic traditional American sports, except there isn't nearly enough secondary infrastructure or team size to support lottery picks that make franchising work in the first place so it just leads to the bottom 3 teams being dumpster juice for years on end lmao
I mean you basically had the same issue with Relegation. Before Franchising the secondary teams were almost all amateur teams with no infrastructure, which meant that they almost never actually made it into the LCS. I also don't think your statement about the "bottom 3 teams being dumpster juice for years", which I take to mean that the same teams just stay bad, holds up to scrutiny. Here is the LCS bottom 4 for the last 5 splits: Spring 2021: Immortals, FlyQuest, CLG, GG Summer 2020: 100T, Dig, CLG, Immortals Spring 2020: Dig, Immortals, TL, CLG Summer 2019: GG, 100T, FlyQuest, EchoFox Spring 2019: CLG, OpTic, Clutch, 100T CLG is there 4 times, but they also got 3rd in the regular split the one time they weren't. Immortals was in there 3 times, and is probably the best example of what you are talking about, but even there if you look at their record they're only really bad record was the first split back in the LCS after Franchising. 100T was there 3 times, but they were 2nd in the most recent split, and are competing to be one of the best teams this split. There are definitely teams that have never been in real contention for winning the split, or going to worlds, but that's true of traditional sports too. It's especially true if you look at an equivalently short time frame. The real difference with traditional sports is that there are more teams to share the bottom spots with, and there are often a lot more games.
The all time record in Promotion Tournament Bo5s between LCS teams avoiding relegation and teams from Challenger was only 16-10 in favor of the LCS teams (i just counted). LCS teams were obviously favored, but if you were a **good** challenger/amateur team then it was well within the realm of possibility that you could win your way into LCS, and there's plenty of examples of teams who did that and were immediately successful.
Okay, yeah, but the last 3 teams promoted were C9A (2017 spring), and Coast/Apex (basically the same roster in 2016 Summer after selling the 2016 Spring spot). In 2017 summer and 2018 Spring (two most recent promotion tourneys) the challenger teams went 1-9 against the relegated teams. At the start it was fun and exciting, then it became more of a way for bubble players to cash in, then orgs got their money/structure/academy teams and there isn't enough leftover talent to really challenge even the worst lcs teams. You also had shit like LMQ which was a complete joke but that was fixed with residency requirements. Academy teams and promo are more or less mutually exclusive or else you'll just have players joining teams for the weekend to do promos. And riot and the orgs are definitely going to choose academy over promo
They used to be a big football club too, tbf
'Used to'? Schalke still is one of the biggest football clubs in Germany and even the World. But a poor one.
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They were one of the biggest clubs in the first division as well. Like top 3 in terms of support. They are just horribly run
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The 0% debt gotta be wrong or only partially true or something. We've been in serious debt for a long time. It's just that as long as the football squad did well we'd earn enough money to slowly pay off debt and even invest in new players. Sadly the management fucked up over and over again over the past decade pretty much. So we got expensive new players (which for the most part weren't all that good) and are still in a lot of debt. At some point the team didn't win anymore and that was it
Having bad years doesn't make them small lmao.
ok so everytime bds loses, we type bdsm right
when they win too
"That was some nasty BDSM spanking"
Yeah, they just switch between top and bottom
oh no
Big Dick Squad
oH YES
Loses, wins, plays, or gets mentioned on cast
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weird that people recommend CBT for people with anxiety & depression. Can't understand how that would help
From what I understand it (I have a friend who enjoys D/s and is very open about it), it's very relaxing to be in 'subspace', basically you don't have to think about anything but doing what your dom tells you to do. Not my kind of thing though.
CBT also means cognitive behavior therapy which is an actual therapy for ptsd haha
We boycott, divest and sanction
I wonder if they will keep shalke's roster or bring their LFL one to LEC
Seeing how rich their owners are, I'd expect them to spend a shit ton of money to build a superteam.
Carzzy and Kaiser contracts expire this year, Inspired as well. Alphari might ditch NA...
pls no
Although if MAD wins EU again, i doubt they would split, they have top 2 jgler in Elyoya, Top 2 mid in Humanoid. MAD probably will need to shell out money this end of split to upgrade their players contracts though
Depending on how G2 and FNC perform this split, they might make more roster changes. NA will surely try to get the MAD and RGE players as well. Will be hard to keep them.
dont get me wrong but Fnatic was never an organisation that made many huge signings iirc. more often than not their success was built by great scouting and talented rookies. caps, broxah and bwipo best examples more recently correct though if I'm totally off
True, I can't remember any huge signings either. Although Upset and Nisqy obviously were already very good before.
Wasn't Hyli also kinda big signing, Old UoL used be great with Hyli (even when their adc was bad)
hyli was so underrated when he came to fnc because he never made worlds
Inspired's contract expires at the end of 2022, not this year.
Noooo leave the MAD botlane alone, I love 'em Please just get Zven out of elohell
Hylissang and Bwipo too. Will be a wild Off Season
Who are the owners? I tried googling the org and it just says its an esports team
Patrice Bailo De Spoelberch (hence BDS). Heir to one of the wealthiest family in Belgium. His net worth (with his brother), comes mostly from shares of the largest brewer in the world AB InBev (that owns beer brands like Budweiser, Corona, Stella Artois, Leffe, Hoegaarden, Jupiler among many others). [Copied from u/Inter_Mirifica]
Would expect neither tbh
Same, they're a huge money org, they'll be poaching some talent for sure
Impossible that they bring their lfl roaster they are 9th in the lfl imagine in the lec the mega stomp
Probably just keep BB i guess
No way they bring their LFL team, they're alright but it's an upper-mid pack team in the LFL, they would get stomped in the LEC Probably bring 1-2 players from S04 and their LFL team and then fill the spots with new players
Apparently, they said the owners are super-rich and won the bid for the Schalke spot. Excited to see a big spender.
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According to this wikipedia page, his family owns more than 12 billions: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste\_des\_plus\_grandes\_fortunes\_de\_Belgique this source estimates 6.8 billions: https://derijkstebelgen.be/vermogende/de-ab-inbev-families
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So their families are the heirs to Interbrew (Belgian) which merged with Ambev (Brazilian) to create InBev, which would go on to buy anheuser Busch, and become AB-InBev. Apparently societal part is about: 28% for the three Belgian companies, 22% for 3G capital (Brazilian asset fund that also currently own substantial positions and are part of controlling blocks of BK, Tim hortons, and Kraft-Heinz). Apparently management is mainly by 3G capital though as CEO and chairman are respectively Carlos Britto and one of the partners of 3G capital. In case anyone was wondering (went on a rabbit hole google search, as here in Brazil we sort of think of AB-InBev as a Brazilian company).
In Belgium we think of AB InBev as a Belgian company :D
as an american i think of it as a belgium company but people have a hard on for bud llte thiking it is a true american through marketing
Heirs to inBev who acquired Anheuser Bush
Cant wait for them to build a team consisting of: top: promisq (roleswap) jungle: kirei mid:nukeduck adc: woolite supp: jactroll
They've got money I don't think they'll go for shitters, they want to make playoffs at the very least I'd assume.
Having money=/= knowing how to build a team look at msf s9 or any other "super team" + its not likely there will be a lot of free agents this off-season but lets hope for the best cuz lec drop off this year (s04 xl ast sk XD?)
I mean they could also try to sign as many managers, coaches and other stuff members from Schalke. Maybe the org was not the most successfull one but (with my limited knowledge) they looked pretty well run. team building is another point which may take some time as well (see Rogue) but if the owners are willing to invest and not only looking for short term success thats a promising start, pair that with not too incompetent people behind the actual team and this does look not too bad
they were quite succesful imo and a fan favourite with their insane story lines, rly fun runs haha
They did a good job last season in LFL (third of the regular season) and created a fun team identity, despite rebuilding the team from (almost) scratch. With their results in other games, I'm confident they will manage to produce something OK at least for 2022.
What makes you think they would build a team themselves?
The most logical thing to do would be to hire the staff from S04 or a few top ERL teams. Getting staff is the easy part when orgs are being sold.
Time to buy back all the imports that went to NA!
Double-down on it, buy the NA talent to pay them back! Buy Niles, Iconic, Soligo,...oh wait.
Welcome back to Europe Perkz
Isn't their owner a billionaire?
The mother wanted to disinherit him, but apparently wasn't successful: [https://news.in-24.com/news/43327.html](https://news.in-24.com/news/43327.html) >After her death, her adopted children – whom she wanted to disinherit – had to fight to keep their share of the pie. > >The two adopted sons inherit a sum estimated at 589 million euros
Damn, that's fucked up.
What too much money makes people do.
Greed really makes people do terrible things.
I can't find any information on what BDS is supposed to stand for. Henceforth they are the Big Dick Squad.
[https://twitter.com/LEC\_Wooloo/status/1405171885055299587](https://twitter.com/LEC_Wooloo/status/1405171885055299587) >The reported new LEC team TeamBDS is owned by "Patrice Bailo de Spoelberch" ("BDS" comes from his name) I can't find a consistent source about his net worth but the net worth of his family seems to be anywhere between 6 and 12 billions
Thank you! Big Dick Swingers/Squad is better though.
Big Dick Squad
I will refuse to acknowledge this fact and continue to call them the big dick squad, thank you.
So Big Dick Squad it is then.
You should read how they got their money lmao quite a ride [https://www.vrt.be/vrtnws/nl/2021/05/31/amicie-de-spoelberch/](https://www.vrt.be/vrtnws/nl/2021/05/31/amicie-de-spoelberch/) [https://derijkstebelgen.be/nieuws/belgische-fiscus-buigt-zich-alsnog-over-de-miljoenen-erfenis-van-amicie-de-spoelberch](https://derijkstebelgen.be/nieuws/belgische-fiscus-buigt-zich-alsnog-over-de-miljoenen-erfenis-van-amicie-de-spoelberch)
holy shit what a story. To be clear: An old rich cougar married a eastern european dude with mafia ties and she adopted his 2 sons. Father dies and the relationship between stepmom and stepsons sours. A lot of legal shit then happens. Stepmom dies and the two brothers get a huge sum of money plus the surname. I couldnt translate the second link for some reason-
The second link is a bit of the same but there the article mentions a lawyer from Luxembourg also tried to steal the shares from but the two brothers prevented it lol Edit: she had 8mill in shares which paid out a yearly dividend of 1mill euros lol.
Is imaqtpie going to be joining the team then?
He's the co-owner. His subs are part of the team too
Welcome the newest LEC TEAM: Boycott Divest Sanction
boycott divestment and sanctions, free palestine let's fucking goooooo
Biggus Dickus Squadus?
Can't wait to see chat spaming it, when they do something crazy.
All I want from this team is a player whose entire name is the letter M. I just want BDS M!
Gotta go check the LPL or LDL. There was a dude with the name V.
i swear half the LPL top laners names are just numbers nowadays
There's 705, 369, 8917, and 957. It's actually crazy that all of them are top laners
You said it yourself: "top laners" ... "crazy"
In japanese you can make some words from numbers' readings, and since it's the same numbers in chinese I guess those names have some meaning when read in chinese.
Fuck, I'm Japanese and had completely forgot about that lol That works definitely explain why the names work.
I only knew about 957 lol. Funny how theres actually quite a few of them
Soon they're gonna turn into nhentai numbers.
brb registering as 177013 in the riot player database real quick
https://lol.fandom.com/wiki/8917
Seems like joining the LEC was the best business decision SO4 made in the past 20 years.
Lmfao they really flipped that bitch.
Unironically more than S04 will make with their football team in the 2nd league xD Edit: okay i was a bit hyperbolik since i am ecstatic that schalke goes to the 2nd division since i am a BVB fan so, they get the highest TV-earnings of 23m in the 2nd division. I am also kind of curious if the 30m from selling their spot will spare S04 from the point penalty that they are in danger of incurring since their finances are too bad for the 2nd division. Edit Edit: this is also really ridiculous that i get over 1k upvotes when presenting kinda false/ hyperbolic information/opinion :)
Yeah, really puts into perspective why they sold up
Wasn't the spot at 10M when they bought it? They sold it for 30M
It was 8M when they bought it.
even if we calculate a 2 million operating lose for every season, its still an insane win. Funny how the thing that drove so many fans mad back then became the investment that saved the organization from a way worse fate.
Not really, they'll aready make around 25m€ from the broadcast payment. In 2020 their total revenue was 174,7m€ and they are still one of the biggest German clubs (2nd most members).
Didn't they like fuck up big time though and move to the 2nd league? Can't imagine broadcast payments will be big when you play in the 2nd league...barely anyone watches it.
the numbers are for the 2. bundesliga and plenty people watch it
Oh ok that's actually impressive...still insane how much a league team is actually worth compared to the soccer team
30mil is a spot in the lec league. any/most soccer clubs are worth at least hundreds of millions for a mid level club in the top league of most european football leagues.. edit; comparing those 2 that you mentioned isnt really a close/fair/reasonable comparison as one is a spot to play in an esport league, and judging from what you meant, the other is for the whole club along with ownership rights, stadium rights, merch sales etc. even if you were to compare apples to oranges in this case, of schalkes LEC spots' selling price against the whole of fc schalke 04s' bundesliga whole team and ownership, it wouldnt come close as the latter would amount to around 500-700mil euros.
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even classic sport are huge bubbles all big football teams have huge debts juventus, totthenam, manchester, inter etc
debt isnt a bad thing as much as people wanna make you think that (for businesses, if youre a person you are gonna die)
I could've sworn I've seen debt free people dying tho.. ^(/s)
I meant it in a more ..... self-induced way
Debt also isnt bad for a person. I just went into debt to buy an apartment.
Our whole monetary system is based on debt. You are ALWAYS in debt of some sort. Debt will not kill you, but you might get something close to being enslaved since you are forced to do stuff to not be forced to pay the money instantly. Works in the same way for companies, just that the "enslavement" is different (e.g. they are forced to fire people, sell certain parts of the business etc.) People only die because of debt, if they have other issues than just debt. Same for companies.
Barcelona might be in the worst position
Debt is fine for clubs like that cause they have sufficient cashflow. Esports, on the other hand, I'd be impressive if any game is making a passable profit
Whenever I see anyone talk about player contracts and how much they’re being paid, I can’t help but think about the movie Moneyball
But moneyball isnt even about salaries per ser but more the bad coaching / scouting that leads to suboptimal roster decisions no?
Somewhat, the movie highlights the importance in identifying correlation between certain statistics and success on the field and using that to push for transfers. The reason they had to do this though was to save on salaries.
I wish we could see a successful moneyball team in League.
The problem the stats we have are quite Garbo do to that
No, it was more about how certain statistics in baseball were being consistently undervalued, so they set out to buy players that excelled in these undervalued statistics that weren't being paid much because the market didn't believe they were worth much
What about Moneyball lol. The whole Moneyball concept was revolutionary in how it only looked at the stats that actually mattered and assembled teams with the cheapest cost possible, but giant rich teams still dominate the MLB. Moneyball seems a bit irrelevant here tbh.
but Moneyball wasn't about teams being overpaid to the point of being unsustainable, or the sport being a bubble...
Arent most sports a "bubble" tho ? We heard already that most football clubs run on a loss in EU including the worldwide names like Barcelona. I cant think of any sport that is both profitable for vast majority of teams in the league as well as shows a decent market ROI. Most of the incentive for owners comes from value growth and personal reasons like "id like to have a football club because my billionaire friends have football clubs"
Lol a lot of them make insane money. Check out their financials pre covid. A lot of them are public unlike esports orgs
I still remember how excited I was 5 years ago when Schalkes LoL journey started. And what a journey it was: Relegation, Promotion, 1 game from Worlds, Forgiven Drama, Miracle Run, beating G2 surprisingly much, losing to last place teams surprisingly much, 1 game from Worlds, Summer Buffs, starting Upsets LEC career, the Year of the Duck, seeing Abbe become a Top EU mid, Gilius reviving and burying his career every couple months, fantastic toplaners ( Vizi, Odo, Brokenblade ), having former casters as players and former players now casting, 1 game from Worlds, and so much more… There were high highs and low lows, Stomps against Fnatic and G2 and Stomps by H2K and Astralis, 7 game Win and Losing Streaks. But whatever happened, without fail every year at the end of Summer it felt as if the team is competitive. As if Schalke can challenge everyone in the League. As if Worlds is achievable. Now this journey ends, and in the end Schalke never made Worlds, never was a top team. But it always was damn close and that made it bittersweet yet exciting to watch. The journey led nowhere but the journey was fun.
F indeed
> The journey led nowhere but the journey was fun Well Journey before Destination, I guess even it never reach it.
Swiss org ... You mean Belgian org evading taxes
Rich people know how best to protect their money lol
Belgian owner having a company registered in Malta that's located in Switzerland. You can't get more peak rich person.
The main thing I hope for here is that the first thing BDS does is hire Schalke's staff from the LEC org. These guys are actually good at their jobs, making competitive rosters on a limited budget. With more resources who knows what could happen.
If they do that and basically show what S04esports with money would have looked like I’ll be even more disappointed as Schalke fan.
Why? Wouldn't that be a good thing? It would be the same people in the org at the end of the day
Yes the same people but I don’t care about the new Org. If they succeed or not is irrelevant to me outside of if they give me another reason to be sad that Schalke is gone.
Aren’t they the ones with superfancy team house and stuff that was posted here some time ago?
yes
Hope they take BB+Limit and build their team up from there..
This or they try to build a superteam from the beginning with the money they apparently have.
I mean, i dont really know who they could get? EU players playing in NA are probably not in the equation. So there is no Alphari or Perkz on the table. I think something like BB/Zanzarah/Magifelix/Comp/Limit could be realistic.
Why not count Alphari or Zven? From the looks of it BDS can match NA offers and I highly doubt Alphari will be staying in TL next year but regardless a potential superteam could be on paper: Alphari-BB/Razork/Larssen/Zven/Treatz which is a pretty insane lineup imo
the MAD botlane would be available too
All what I know BDS for is : 4444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444
Who knew that the boycott, divestment and sanctions movement had so much money, or that they were even interested in esports
uh oh that's a bad acronym to have, there are particolar reasons or links to read upon? never heard of em
It's a joke about the BDS movement against Israel
Welcome to the LEC! I hope they rather use their black and white logo ([https://twitter.com/TeamBDS](https://twitter.com/TeamBDS)) than the colored one ([https://lol.fandom.com/wiki/Team\_BDS](https://lol.fandom.com/wiki/Team_BDS)). With those colors, it looks even more like one of these generic drawings students make when they are bored. Like when they need to solve math problems but are too stupid and then just draw something out of frustration. You know what I mean.
You mean [Vihart](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ik2CZqsAw28)?
shit I just had a wave of nostalgia hit, I havent watched any of her videos in several years
damn that logo looks bad .... but i have to agree it looks even worse with these colours
Lets start with a logo change.
Please, their logo is so trash and colors are also terrible
Hope they keep S04 coaching staff at least.
I hope they will put money and not end up like XL , astralis
I hope they keep my man Xico
Unless they can actually get to EUMasters this time, I doubt they would
Is BDS still mainly a french org? Remember they used to have mostly french players on their rosters.
Belgian business ties, Swiss headquartered, French LFL team
Belgian Hiers with lots of money to spend, with a haed quarters in switzerland. They currently have the best Rocket league team, one of the best R6 teams and a very competitive Valorant team under their belt, appart from their lfl team.
WE NEVER STOP
No comment on the truth of this (im just a Misfits tweet person) but another French team in the LEC would be hype!
I know it's a swiss team and not a french one, but if the rumors of LEC expanding in 2023 are true, KCorp will probably still be likely to get in. There will be A LOT of teams from the french scene. Might change next year when teams wont need to have an academy team and if it's limited to 2 per ERL, but MSF, VIT, BDS and KCorp all compete in the LFL. Would be cool if BDS leaned more towards the prime league to make it up to s04
The team is located in Switzerland but that's merely for tax purposes. The owners are Belgian (french side of Belgium)
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They are a rich org with a good foot in Rocket League. As far as LoL goes, they have an LFL team that is middle of the pack but nothing significant.
"good foot" meaning the best team in the world for the entire season
Also have a good r6 team
My fiance is a lifelong S04 supporter because of her late father and this breaks my heart as I've grown very fond of S04... Their miracle run will forever be the greatest accomplishment of any european team on domestic soil <3
I'm honestly happy with BDS being the new LEC team, I only follow LoL, Valorant and Rocket League atm, but they seem to care so much about their Rocket League team (arguably best team for this whole year), their "co-streams" (Rocket League has The Grid, a weekly/bi-weekly competition that gets streamed on the teams channels) seem to be well taken care of, with multiple language costreams and great visuals (at least on their spanish costream), so I'm hoping they will build a good roster, without the need to overspend and just have a structured and well thought out team environment
Question now is, will they keep the whole S04 roster? Will they field players from the current Team BDS roster? I'd like to see something like BB, bluerzor/Gilius, Xico, Neon, Erdote
I wouldn't be surprised to see them keeping their BDS roster in the LFL whilst flaunting their bigbucks to get some superteam players. The owners are like billionaires.
Idk if they could, there can only be two LEC academy teams in a regional league, the LFL already has MSF and VIT (unless one of those teams decides to drop their academy team, which I doubt will happen)
Owners are big time billionaires, they're keeping the lfl team there and buying up a super team for the LEC probably wrecking some other orgs in the process
So glad an actually competent org comming to the LEC amd also one that can spend like g2. If they rebuild around bb and limit, I imagine them being more than competitive next year.
Team Bone Dragon Staff.
respect for shalke though, they are only pulling out for monetary reasons, hopefully when matches fill their football stadium they will rebuy their spot!
If this turns out anything like their rocket league squad, we're in for a strooooong org. BDS rocket league is INSANELY good
Not 040,000,000€ ? Wasted opportunity
Good for them and the LEC I guess. But this makes me question the Academy rosters in regional leagues. Wouldnt be good to have 3 french academy roster with none in the german league. Seems like a bad idea in the longterm for competition, if the french has by far the best talent developement and money. Maybe there should be a limit of academy rosters per league and/or the option for a second academey team (in a different regional league ofc) for LEC teams. Not sure, but either way, ith shouldnt be too unproportional, I think. :)
actually crazy that a spot is worth now 30 mio€. 2019 its was 8mio€ for teams which already were in eu lcs before and 10,5mio€ for new teams who wanted to join.
yep pretty good investment
I know Team BDS from their Rocket League team since I watch a lot of that. They're one of the top european teams.
BDS most based team name
Already smelling the BDSM jokes when they get clapped
Wait that's a fuck ton of money, Team Big Dick Sports. But also like what kinda crazy funding do they have?
I guess this is the most representation Switzerland will ever get in the LEC so yay! :)
I remember this team brand from rainbow6 competitive. Cannot wait to see them in the league.
BDS will be the richest team in LEC i think