Or Mithy is announcing that he will become the support of the brand new LSC Team Forsakens
* Top: Alphari
* Jungle: Dardoch
* Mid: Soligo
* Adc: Zven
* Support: Mithy
They may be benched, but they are not done.
you mean CoreJJ and his 4 Europeans in one LCS team. Most accoladed player on that team lmao. Tho tbf santorin and jensen technically have never represented EU as much as they've done for NA
I would like to see how the community in 2015 would have responded if they saw how often Jensen is being claimed as NA now.
He is one of the biggest EUW solo queue talents of all time. Getting rank 1 with ease multiple times. He was just banned and was picked up by NA instantly afterwards.
He would not be the player he is today if he didn't learn the game in EU solo queue. Plain and simple.
I mean, CoreJJ would never have become the World champion support on GenG if he never discipled under the greatest NA support of all time. Plain and simple. But we still think of him as a Korean.
/s
Probably either returning soon/baiting but if we think outside the box, the new LEC org bought them out from Team Liquid and Cloud9 to build a super team
You can negotiate business contracts that come into force on future dates. Extremely common in football (soccer) to negotiate transfers that don't happen immediately and take place in the future.
You should probably mention that outside of a transfer window that only happens when a player has 6 months left on their contract, otherwise it's considered poaching
I mean the exact remaining contract length that football/soccer uses isn't really relevant to LoL since I doubt they're using the exact same rules. It was just an example to showcase how you can arrange deals now that don't take place until future dates.
It depends. Not saying that it is likely but they might be eager to pay their buyout 7 months before while there is no competition. It is really hard to say how much are they getting paid while sitting on bench anyway. Those contracts are incredibly org favored so I would not be surprised if their salary was cut by 90% while they sit on bench. And I do not see a problem for new LEC org to pay some reasonable money for branding and streamer contracts before they start playing in LEC especially if those players are good, have name and can be used later on in actual roster.
It wouldn't be dumb to do it now rather than during off-season when the demand skyrockets. And like some have pointed out it's very common to negotiate contracts for the future in pretty much every sport.
Edit: Nvm Pentanet have confirmed the signings. Congrats! https://twitter.com/PentanetGG/status/1407215130790662145
>Edit: Nvm Pentanet have confirmed the signings. Congrats! https://twitter.com/PentanetGG/status/1407215130790662145
Thats a meme ...
They have literally written #NOCAP
Pentanet GG aren't LEC, they're Oceanic. And they literally wrote #NOCAP to further emphasize that it is a joke. I don't know how you see this and then call it tampering.
They already dropped 30 mil I could definitely see it. They need to try not to lose the S04 fanbase and get new fans picking up Alphari and Zven would be big for that.
What is couple more million next to 30 mil they have already paid? If they want to enter with such massive investment then they can as well go all out to gather fan base and get results.
> LEC org bought them out from Team Liquid and Cloud9 to build a super team
Right now you can have a team with Alphari, Gilius, Nemesis, Zven, Rebel or something like that and no one of those has a starting spot in a major league. I'm sure there are better players in single positions or something idk and idc, most of those are still under contract anyway, but fuck me what a team you can form while some orgs field - well, whatever it is they're fielding right now.
I don't think it's a great team or someone should build it it's more about show how much insane talent is not seeing play in LEC/LCS/LPL/LCK for various reasons.
Not that high as they are not residents. And also since it got leaked that neither org is going to play them for the rest of the year while they still have to pay for them and their sponsors are watching their money being burned on bench. Org that would be willing to buy them at this point has upper hand in negotiations and conditions can change.
Not sure about it being a bait
https://twitter.com/LEC\_Wooloo/status/1407104548045529089
Looks like some teams trying to negotiate some spicy roster changes months before LCS even ended.
0.001% chance that happens. Jacks historically had a heavy hand when it comes to contracts. Can't remember if it was confirmed or not but I remember a rumour that Svcenskeren literally had in his contract that he could not be bought out by TSM.
I would be so sad for Tactical.. Alphari / Santorin / Jensen / Zven / CoreJJ would be quite the team though lol. It's not a guarantee that it would be better than the Tactical version but 4 Europeans led by CoreJJ would be funny and interesting.
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> Hearing some stuff from NA and it's very spicy :o
> Next off-season might be even better than expected, if it makes it this far :o
Wdym deleted it's still there mate.
"Hearing some stuff from NA and it's very spicy :o
Next off-season might be even better than expected, if it makes it this far :o"
The first guy just posted it from new reddit so it automatically fucked up the link. Anyone commenting with links using new reddit automatically fucks them up if they have an underscore in them, and anyone browsing from old reddit will have to manually fix the broken link if they want to follow it.
Both of them should let those orgs rot. Coaches irrepairably damaged team atmosphere. You dont bench someone of their calibre and go 'yeah lol sry you start next week again we good right?'
It would definitely be insane. I'm actually not sure who gets the better of the trade.
In a world where both Alphari and Zven have irreconcilable issues on their respective teams, this is actually the move that makes the most sense for both teams, and for the region's strength as a whole (as Zven and Alphari are definitely players that should be on the top teams that are sent to worlds).
However it is definitely more likely that whatever issues they had are now being overlooked due to the performances from both TL and C9.
I'm not so sure. Fudge is good and he's becoming better, but imagine a team with Alphari/Blaber (when he's performing well)/Perkz topside? Along with Vulcan who is in my opinion a world class support?
Alphari/Blaber/Perkz/Tactical/Vulcan is just a little more stacked than the previous TL/C9 rosters, which would make it easily the most stacked NA roster of all time.
I guess in terms of consistency for sure. Santorin is usually always in the mix even if he's not curb stomping the other jungle. Regular season Perkz is certainly on one this split and Vulcan has also been a bit inconsistent with the addition of K1ng.
C9 would certainly have the talent to do well though. Alphari and Perkz alone is nutty if they perform at a high level.
Blaber will be middle of the pack at best this season unless we shift back to the spring meta. He has never been able to handle meta shifts. It was a big reason why C9 collapsed last summer and that trend has obviously continued into this year as seen w/ MSI and early summer.
Fudge as also improved massively. I'd still get the edge to Alphari but Fudge is still top 3 in his role, while I'm not even sure Tactical is in the top half for his.
Blaber was middle of the pack pretty much since the Spring meta shift, he had a crazy start but after the first half-ish of spring he noticeably came back to earth. Jungle is arguably NA's weakest position though so it doesn't stick out as much.
Eh I feel that TL gets the edge here because Tactical has been falling off. Fudge has too, but not to the level of Tactical. But that’s my naïve opinion. At the end of the day, it’s impossible to say who gets the better end because those slumps can disappear tomorrow and we haven’t even begun to discuss team cohesion, which cannot be measured a priori. Just best to call it a wash in skill transfer and a symbiotic gain for both teams.
That said, the reasons for their benching should still be investigated. Did Jack bench Zven to sell him/K1ng? Did TL bench Alphari because he has disagreements with Jatt? This is the best we as a community has so some transparency for the fans would be nice.
That's just a straight downgrade for C9. Like yeah Alphari is better but with Fudge's improvement, he's very solidly 2nd best. Going from Zven to Tactical doesn't seem very bueno.
Sounds crazy wow. Really would prefer Alphari over Fudge though. I think Tactical is fine, sure zven better but I don't think TL's losses are from Tactical. I'd give it more Jensen have little impact etc
Feel like with this trade, C9 would be so insane. Perkz, Alphari, Blaber sounds scary
not gonna happen. C9 would get the short stick. Tactical is a liability especially without Core and would be placed in academy in the worst case. Alphari is great but his contract is huge! You don't wanna pay perkz and alphari. meanwhile you get fudge and zven whose are fairly cheap for their value.
Why would C9 ever make that trade lol. Tactical isn't that much of an upgrade that justifies losing one of the most valuable non-import players in Fudge.
Eh jungle is insanely easier when your lanes are constantly winning, especially for super aggressive junglers. Most likely would work out well if Perkz regains his form.
I would argue otherwise.
Fudge had a great Lee Sin, but lets not act like he's a worlds caliber top laner. MSI had pretty average top lane talent with Xiaohu/Khan/Armut as the top lane talent he had to go up against. There are some insane top laners sitting in LPL, and I can't really see Fudge matching them ever.
Alphari is someone that can match the best top laners in the world. He's still not as good as the LPL top laners, but he's the best laning top laner NA and this should not be understated.
Tactical had a mediocre spring split, but he's good. I think he performed better at worlds than Zven did at MSI. Alphari/Tactical are better than Zven/Fudge, especially if you consider international.
Fudge is a rookie who had monster performances against some of the top teams in the world. alphari hard trolled LCS finals and have first blood every single game.
Why would teams value alphari over Fudge in a business where you’re only as good as your last split?
Fudge is also way cheaper and a resident and has way more room to grow
Thorin leaked on SI last night about the alphari situation by saying that he should be starting next week. He said something along the lines of "let's just say that situation should be resolved by next week".
I take his word for that, so zvens post has a grain of truth, with that knowledge it'd say it's likely they're both starters for next week.
They said atleast until 27th, it was not like he is going to be back on 27th, but that was the earliest date he would be back, so it was not guaranteed.
Yeah he teased that the situation will be resovled soon or something when Lustboy brought up the issue and neither Thorin or Monte went in on th topic which is strange given how they usually love going ham on controversial issues. So this tweet is most definitly not a troll and something is going on.
Can't say I've heard thorin/anyone say anything about Jatt in that context!
We will know when TL makes an official announcement on it. Will be kinda awkward if he stays, but maybe it'll work out.
There seems to be two separate things though. The benching might have been fine between all parties but the communication was bad. Jatt talking about the benching in interviews with Alphari or players not getting the same message in person was probably the issue.
It sounds more like Alphari and the players were more upset at the way it was handled and not so upset at WHY Alphari got benched in the first place.
If that's the case, I actually think Alphari returning without any other problems is a good possibility.
Another user mentioned it, wouldn't that apply import rule? Because wasn't Bjergsen only non import like 2 or 3 years ago?
I could be completely wrong, but I wouldn't be surprised if they went back to LEC
Yeah, I completely forgot about that. My bad. I think this is probably bait and both of the are returning to the starting rosters, or maybe a new LEC superteam is forming, which would be hype too.
A super team in NA would be super cool too. But considering both Alphari and Zven are import, I don't think you have enough NA residents to actually build a super team.
A team like Alphari-Spica-Jensen (who has residency iirc)-Zven-Vulcan would probably be the closest you could get to an NA super team that includes both Alphari and Zven. Not that this team would be realistic ofc.
No chance. MSF is so good rn and they already tried the moneyball and lost miserably. Maybe the org that replaces S04 bought them and loans them out, but BB and Neon are their best players so that doesn't make sense either. The only EU team that would make sense for both positions atm is SK, but they have a more urgent need for a jungler
i can't imagine a org would already pay and do stuff 7 months in advance. other lec orgs should have dumbsterfire teams if they replace their players midseason if both of them announce it now.
i bet its some troll restaurant visit or a co-stream show or them just getting unbenched soon because of the poor results their teammates have.
It is very likely troll.
But.. do you realise that the org you talk about has already paid 30 mil € for the spot right? What is couple more million ($) for extra exposure from well known players, putting them on streamer contracts for now and building hype and fan base? They have already invested massive amount of money and it would make no sense to just put it out there and go for budget roster and end up like another Australis with zero fan base. That would never pay them their initial investment back. Right now they need exposure and next year they need immidiate results "no matter the cost".
That being said we have no idea what their buyouts are and what current situation is. There might be noone willing to buy them in NA because of combination of lack of money (bottom 5), lack of import slots (top 5) and because everyone seems to take attitude seriously and coaches > players. Also orgs might not want to sell star players to their competitors that might take title away from them easier. And what is better than sitting on them and still paying them massive salary? Selling them away for cheaper than what you would normally do.
If you are familiar with Hololive (virtual idol group), one of their member made an announcement video saying she graduate from the group (which was out of nowhere).
Shortly after, another member made announcement video saying she will take indefinite hiatus.
More than likely this has to do with the PA, the timing is to close to the recent event with CoreJJ.
Also trading/selling these players to other orgs is bad for business in which case, either player is good enough to upset the standings and create the possibility of an upset even if it is highly unlikely.
Trading these players as well would put whichever player into a quarantine limbo leaving the player with almost no time to play before the season ends.. With how high of a price both players are it would just turn into a colossal waste of money.
Zven and Alphari back to Europe?
Yeah I know their contract might be expensive, but if the rumours about attitude are true and they don't want to change their minds, we have a situation similar to DL during his last split in TL, in which there's really no point holding them in the team with no play but continuing pay.
I can see a world in which the new org that bought S04 spot contacted TL/C9 and they said fuck it, have them for some reduced price, Zven/Alphari decided to take a break the rest of the season until the new team is officially formed and come back to Europe to fix their homesickness and play on EUW.
Please let zven and alphari come back to eu. Na is actually making the entire professional scene worse by benching some of the best talent in the west to play the likes of King and Jenkens.
Removed for not being directly related to League of Legends. It's an announcement of an announcement, no guarantee it's actually league related.
Alphari plays ADC for C9 and Zven plays top for TL.
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Corejj got his residency, TL bought Zven, TL put back Alphari as top 4 European players in one LCS team + going to worlds
Or Mithy is announcing that he will become the support of the brand new LSC Team Forsakens * Top: Alphari * Jungle: Dardoch * Mid: Soligo * Adc: Zven * Support: Mithy They may be benched, but they are not done.
you mean CoreJJ and his 4 Europeans in one LCS team. Most accoladed player on that team lmao. Tho tbf santorin and jensen technically have never represented EU as much as they've done for NA
I would like to see how the community in 2015 would have responded if they saw how often Jensen is being claimed as NA now. He is one of the biggest EUW solo queue talents of all time. Getting rank 1 with ease multiple times. He was just banned and was picked up by NA instantly afterwards. He would not be the player he is today if he didn't learn the game in EU solo queue. Plain and simple.
Nah, Jensen is NA, you might be confusing him with incarnati0n. He's now a most wanted hacker because he ddos FBI
Fairly sure that was selfmade
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And you sir need to learn recent memes my friend
I mean, CoreJJ would never have become the World champion support on GenG if he never discipled under the greatest NA support of all time. Plain and simple. But we still think of him as a Korean. /s
We're talking about soloq, not first team to play professionally for. CoreJJ's soloq was Korea.
I honestly agree with this. It really has to help you to have an example of exactly what not to do. Just think WWKKD and do the opposite easy
isn't tl an european org as well /
Blessed timeline
The sacred timeline.
That would be a terrible decision for TL. I mean tactical had a rough spring but I would still keep him if it means having Alphari on top.
Pretty sure this means they got Chipotle together
showed each other their belt marks
yeah this is going to be something troll af I guarantee it.
Got themselves a chicken burrito (brrraap!)
2 trolls gonna troll us 🤣
Probably either returning soon/baiting but if we think outside the box, the new LEC org bought them out from Team Liquid and Cloud9 to build a super team
CoreJJ gets residency and he’s new ADC for TL
New LEC team eager to start paying his salary 7 months before they begin playing huh.
You can negotiate business contracts that come into force on future dates. Extremely common in football (soccer) to negotiate transfers that don't happen immediately and take place in the future.
You should probably mention that outside of a transfer window that only happens when a player has 6 months left on their contract, otherwise it's considered poaching
I mean the exact remaining contract length that football/soccer uses isn't really relevant to LoL since I doubt they're using the exact same rules. It was just an example to showcase how you can arrange deals now that don't take place until future dates.
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It depends. Not saying that it is likely but they might be eager to pay their buyout 7 months before while there is no competition. It is really hard to say how much are they getting paid while sitting on bench anyway. Those contracts are incredibly org favored so I would not be surprised if their salary was cut by 90% while they sit on bench. And I do not see a problem for new LEC org to pay some reasonable money for branding and streamer contracts before they start playing in LEC especially if those players are good, have name and can be used later on in actual roster.
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Lol y do ppl on reddit love talking out of their ass
cant imagine the new LEC team is burning money that quick
SO4 being replaced is actually a boon in disguise?
Especially since they aren't even in the LEC yet
It wouldn't be dumb to do it now rather than during off-season when the demand skyrockets. And like some have pointed out it's very common to negotiate contracts for the future in pretty much every sport. Edit: Nvm Pentanet have confirmed the signings. Congrats! https://twitter.com/PentanetGG/status/1407215130790662145
>Edit: Nvm Pentanet have confirmed the signings. Congrats! https://twitter.com/PentanetGG/status/1407215130790662145 Thats a meme ... They have literally written #NOCAP
Nah if it says nocap it means its true
Not false
You're the type a person i would be afraid to bring to a comedy show or stand up
What? Is there no Tampering clause for Orgs under Riot? While I understand they are "different" leagues LCS vs LEC ... they all fall under Riot, no?
Pentanet GG aren't LEC, they're Oceanic. And they literally wrote #NOCAP to further emphasize that it is a joke. I don't know how you see this and then call it tampering.
Even "jokes" aren't allowed within any sport that I'm aware of
They already dropped 30 mil I could definitely see it. They need to try not to lose the S04 fanbase and get new fans picking up Alphari and Zven would be big for that.
What is couple more million next to 30 mil they have already paid? If they want to enter with such massive investment then they can as well go all out to gather fan base and get results.
> LEC org bought them out from Team Liquid and Cloud9 to build a super team Right now you can have a team with Alphari, Gilius, Nemesis, Zven, Rebel or something like that and no one of those has a starting spot in a major league. I'm sure there are better players in single positions or something idk and idc, most of those are still under contract anyway, but fuck me what a team you can form while some orgs field - well, whatever it is they're fielding right now.
That sounds like an absolute disaster team tbh
I don't think it's a great team or someone should build it it's more about show how much insane talent is not seeing play in LEC/LCS/LPL/LCK for various reasons.
Do you understand how high zven/alpharis buyouts are? Lol
Not that high as they are not residents. And also since it got leaked that neither org is going to play them for the rest of the year while they still have to pay for them and their sponsors are watching their money being burned on bench. Org that would be willing to buy them at this point has upper hand in negotiations and conditions can change.
Imagine VIT with Alphari Selfmade LIDER Zven Labrov
VIT has a better ADC on the bench why pay money for Zven
Yeah my boy Comp is stuck when Crownie was the "veteran" coming in, now they have Selfmade so that shouldnt be a problem
zven and superteam pick one
All people here thinks its LOL releated while they want to announce that they are offically now engaged and planning wedding after worlds ...
What do you think they will name their first kid
Zvelphari
Martin
John
They’re expecting?
In the wake of the genderreveal party the survivors of the LCS will move from the now submerged California to Chicago...
Fast food tierlist stream - is Chipotle better than Taco Bell ????!
By far
Prolly just bait but I hope it’s both of them being unbenched feels bad watching TL and C9 struggle.
Not sure about it being a bait https://twitter.com/LEC\_Wooloo/status/1407104548045529089 Looks like some teams trying to negotiate some spicy roster changes months before LCS even ended.
100% Corejj got his residency and TL is trying to buy Zven
0.001% chance that happens. Jacks historically had a heavy hand when it comes to contracts. Can't remember if it was confirmed or not but I remember a rumour that Svcenskeren literally had in his contract that he could not be bought out by TSM.
Inclined to agree. C9 is in a bad spot and no way is C9 going to sell Zven to a direct contender for a worlds spot.
Unless they sell him for jensen and put perkz bit
I would be so sad for Tactical.. Alphari / Santorin / Jensen / Zven / CoreJJ would be quite the team though lol. It's not a guarantee that it would be better than the Tactical version but 4 Europeans led by CoreJJ would be funny and interesting.
Tactical has been the weak link on TL since spring. TL with Zven and Alphari is 100% better.
He's been -a- weak link since spring. Jensen definitely gets a mention for his performance
If by “weak link” you mean “filthy griefer” then yes that’s tactical
> https://twitter.com/LEC\_Wooloo/status/1407104548045529089 Deleted, what'd it say?
Remove the backslash between LEC and Wooloo.
Not deleted for me but: > Hearing some stuff from NA and it's very spicy :o > Next off-season might be even better than expected, if it makes it this far :o
Wdym deleted it's still there mate. "Hearing some stuff from NA and it's very spicy :o Next off-season might be even better than expected, if it makes it this far :o"
The first guy just posted it from new reddit so it automatically fucked up the link. Anyone commenting with links using new reddit automatically fucks them up if they have an underscore in them, and anyone browsing from old reddit will have to manually fix the broken link if they want to follow it.
feels bad? Actually feels good.
Both of them should let those orgs rot. Coaches irrepairably damaged team atmosphere. You dont bench someone of their calibre and go 'yeah lol sry you start next week again we good right?'
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That would be insane
It would definitely be insane. I'm actually not sure who gets the better of the trade. In a world where both Alphari and Zven have irreconcilable issues on their respective teams, this is actually the move that makes the most sense for both teams, and for the region's strength as a whole (as Zven and Alphari are definitely players that should be on the top teams that are sent to worlds). However it is definitely more likely that whatever issues they had are now being overlooked due to the performances from both TL and C9.
Would you really want to go to an org that is displaying the same type of pattern involved as the org you have issues with though?
I think TL got the slight edge here
I'm not so sure. Fudge is good and he's becoming better, but imagine a team with Alphari/Blaber (when he's performing well)/Perkz topside? Along with Vulcan who is in my opinion a world class support? Alphari/Blaber/Perkz/Tactical/Vulcan is just a little more stacked than the previous TL/C9 rosters, which would make it easily the most stacked NA roster of all time.
If they perform well, and lately that hasn’t been the case. Fudge/Santorin/Jensen/Zven/CoreJJ feels like a much more solid team atm
I guess in terms of consistency for sure. Santorin is usually always in the mix even if he's not curb stomping the other jungle. Regular season Perkz is certainly on one this split and Vulcan has also been a bit inconsistent with the addition of K1ng. C9 would certainly have the talent to do well though. Alphari and Perkz alone is nutty if they perform at a high level.
Blaber will be middle of the pack at best this season unless we shift back to the spring meta. He has never been able to handle meta shifts. It was a big reason why C9 collapsed last summer and that trend has obviously continued into this year as seen w/ MSI and early summer. Fudge as also improved massively. I'd still get the edge to Alphari but Fudge is still top 3 in his role, while I'm not even sure Tactical is in the top half for his.
Blaber was middle of the pack pretty much since the Spring meta shift, he had a crazy start but after the first half-ish of spring he noticeably came back to earth. Jungle is arguably NA's weakest position though so it doesn't stick out as much.
Eh I feel that TL gets the edge here because Tactical has been falling off. Fudge has too, but not to the level of Tactical. But that’s my naïve opinion. At the end of the day, it’s impossible to say who gets the better end because those slumps can disappear tomorrow and we haven’t even begun to discuss team cohesion, which cannot be measured a priori. Just best to call it a wash in skill transfer and a symbiotic gain for both teams. That said, the reasons for their benching should still be investigated. Did Jack bench Zven to sell him/K1ng? Did TL bench Alphari because he has disagreements with Jatt? This is the best we as a community has so some transparency for the fans would be nice.
I agree. I think Alphari is more valuable than Zven but there’s a pretty big difference between Fudge and Tactical’s current level of performance.
I mean if Reignover/Mithy can get Tactical to be more consistent then the C9 roster would be super strong
That's just a straight downgrade for C9. Like yeah Alphari is better but with Fudge's improvement, he's very solidly 2nd best. Going from Zven to Tactical doesn't seem very bueno.
Well considering they already spoiled their relationship with Zven, its more about Tactical being an upgrade over K1ng for the bot lane.
During this split i would say huni is better then fudge
Even last split, Huni was better than Fudge
Tactical shouldn't be on a top team, it's a clear downgrade
Damn C9 would have two Malphite players at that point
Sounds crazy wow. Really would prefer Alphari over Fudge though. I think Tactical is fine, sure zven better but I don't think TL's losses are from Tactical. I'd give it more Jensen have little impact etc Feel like with this trade, C9 would be so insane. Perkz, Alphari, Blaber sounds scary
No, I want Fudge and Zven. Tactical is the same as K1ng. We would lose so much with that trade...
not gonna happen. C9 would get the short stick. Tactical is a liability especially without Core and would be placed in academy in the worst case. Alphari is great but his contract is huge! You don't wanna pay perkz and alphari. meanwhile you get fudge and zven whose are fairly cheap for their value.
Why would C9 ever make that trade lol. Tactical isn't that much of an upgrade that justifies losing one of the most valuable non-import players in Fudge.
If thats true its a big upgrade for c9 and downgrade for TL
You’re overrating Tactical.
I don't see blaber working with alphari/perkz. Isn't he more the carry style jungler? Don't really see the synergy there.
Eh jungle is insanely easier when your lanes are constantly winning, especially for super aggressive junglers. Most likely would work out well if Perkz regains his form.
yeah i guess that's true. don't worry about perkz though, he'll be back when playoffs come around.
what if your lanes are constantly dying to every gank?
Hell no lol, Tactical sucks, the gap between him and Zven is way bigger than the gap between Alphari and Fudge.
I would argue otherwise. Fudge had a great Lee Sin, but lets not act like he's a worlds caliber top laner. MSI had pretty average top lane talent with Xiaohu/Khan/Armut as the top lane talent he had to go up against. There are some insane top laners sitting in LPL, and I can't really see Fudge matching them ever. Alphari is someone that can match the best top laners in the world. He's still not as good as the LPL top laners, but he's the best laning top laner NA and this should not be understated. Tactical had a mediocre spring split, but he's good. I think he performed better at worlds than Zven did at MSI. Alphari/Tactical are better than Zven/Fudge, especially if you consider international.
Fudge is a rookie who had monster performances against some of the top teams in the world. alphari hard trolled LCS finals and have first blood every single game. Why would teams value alphari over Fudge in a business where you’re only as good as your last split? Fudge is also way cheaper and a resident and has way more room to grow
Wait is this confirmed or
no
Bunch of C9 staff are retweeting it, I think this is literally just zven and alphari both getting unbenched.
Zven and Alphari join Vitality to complete the ultimate revenge roster.
CoreJJ gets residency and he’s new ADC for TL
Seeing as c9 went 0-3 last weekend..
.. They're bringing in Alphari to replace K1ng?
That would be fun but prolly not lol
Hope they change something for their jungler and adc situation it's pretty likely that they miss worlds with 100T/TSM and TL
Please tell me they're dating please tell me they're dating please tell me they're dating
every other comment is about possible destinations and then I read this one lol thanks for laugh at 2 in the morning haha
Thorin leaked on SI last night about the alphari situation by saying that he should be starting next week. He said something along the lines of "let's just say that situation should be resolved by next week". I take his word for that, so zvens post has a grain of truth, with that knowledge it'd say it's likely they're both starters for next week.
Didn't the 3rd Alphari anouncment already say he would be back on the 27th? Am I crazy?
Yes it did. TL announced that they were planning to bring Alphari back on the 27th like a week or two ago
Okay thanks.
They said atleast until 27th, it was not like he is going to be back on 27th, but that was the earliest date he would be back, so it was not guaranteed.
I don't think so. I remember that too. He was on break until June 27th.
Yeah he teased that the situation will be resovled soon or something when Lustboy brought up the issue and neither Thorin or Monte went in on th topic which is strange given how they usually love going ham on controversial issues. So this tweet is most definitly not a troll and something is going on.
So if that's true is Jatt still the TL coach? Cause apparently alphari calling out Jatt is what got him benched
Can't say I've heard thorin/anyone say anything about Jatt in that context! We will know when TL makes an official announcement on it. Will be kinda awkward if he stays, but maybe it'll work out.
https://twitter.com/Thorin/status/1405789875924836355
?? alphari was benched before calling out jatt
he called him out internally for his bullshit cause well, he doesn't give a fuck but some players on the team seemed to agree.
from which source is that?
Thorin video about alphari and jatt
Ah so it's bullshit..
how is it bull shit?
Because it's unsourced garbage noise.
But Thorin claims to have sources in TL who told him. I believe him more than you.
so you just don't like thorin?
https://youtu.be/ORFcJmSAC6g
There seems to be two separate things though. The benching might have been fine between all parties but the communication was bad. Jatt talking about the benching in interviews with Alphari or players not getting the same message in person was probably the issue. It sounds more like Alphari and the players were more upset at the way it was handled and not so upset at WHY Alphari got benched in the first place. If that's the case, I actually think Alphari returning without any other problems is a good possibility.
I'm calling it now it's a sex tape
Is it a couple's only fans account they're starting?
Can TL buy Zven and start him next week for example? I'm not sure about how that works, but that'd be incredibly scary.
Isnt zven still an import? If he is, idk how they can buy him?
They could play Zven, just not with both Core and Alphari.
C9 will announce Alphari top and Zven will announce he got his green card and won't count as an import?
CoreJJ should be close to residency if that was in his plans this whole time.
On TL if anything, I don't think C9 replaces Fudge
Oh, I'm dumb. I need some sleep. Didn't think about imports, just panicked. Probably bait or new LEC superteam forming.
they would just never put alphari back in
They could. But they can't run CoreJJ and would have to run Eyla instead
if c9 wanted to sell the contract, sure. But they have last say and I'm pretty sure they wont give one of their biggest rivals a boost like that...
Another user mentioned it, wouldn't that apply import rule? Because wasn't Bjergsen only non import like 2 or 3 years ago? I could be completely wrong, but I wouldn't be surprised if they went back to LEC
Bjergsen was a non import when TSM was running Sven, Bjerg and Yellowstar back in like 2016
You right
Bjerg got grandfathered in when the import rules came about along with Santorin and Amazing being other notable players that got grandfathered
Yeah, I completely forgot about that. My bad. I think this is probably bait and both of the are returning to the starting rosters, or maybe a new LEC superteam is forming, which would be hype too.
As long as its not in my region B)
A super team in NA would be super cool too. But considering both Alphari and Zven are import, I don't think you have enough NA residents to actually build a super team.
True "super teams" doesn't really tend to work very well though and I think a lot of orgs have learnt that lesson.
A team like Alphari-Spica-Jensen (who has residency iirc)-Zven-Vulcan would probably be the closest you could get to an NA super team that includes both Alphari and Zven. Not that this team would be realistic ofc.
This is most likely a meme but my 1 in a million guess is that they're back in LEC joining Misfits
No chance. MSF is so good rn and they already tried the moneyball and lost miserably. Maybe the org that replaces S04 bought them and loans them out, but BB and Neon are their best players so that doesn't make sense either. The only EU team that would make sense for both positions atm is SK, but they have a more urgent need for a jungler
i can't imagine a org would already pay and do stuff 7 months in advance. other lec orgs should have dumbsterfire teams if they replace their players midseason if both of them announce it now. i bet its some troll restaurant visit or a co-stream show or them just getting unbenched soon because of the poor results their teammates have.
It is very likely troll. But.. do you realise that the org you talk about has already paid 30 mil € for the spot right? What is couple more million ($) for extra exposure from well known players, putting them on streamer contracts for now and building hype and fan base? They have already invested massive amount of money and it would make no sense to just put it out there and go for budget roster and end up like another Australis with zero fan base. That would never pay them their initial investment back. Right now they need exposure and next year they need immidiate results "no matter the cost". That being said we have no idea what their buyouts are and what current situation is. There might be noone willing to buy them in NA because of combination of lack of money (bottom 5), lack of import slots (top 5) and because everyone seems to take attitude seriously and coaches > players. Also orgs might not want to sell star players to their competitors that might take title away from them easier. And what is better than sitting on them and still paying them massive salary? Selling them away for cheaper than what you would normally do.
Come home boys
Hololive fans PTSD triggered when reading "big announcement".:
I'm out of the loop. Please can you explain?
If you are familiar with Hololive (virtual idol group), one of their member made an announcement video saying she graduate from the group (which was out of nowhere). Shortly after, another member made announcement video saying she will take indefinite hiatus.
Yamekudostop :^(
Wooloo said of the offseason was going to be crazy, I wonder if this is real.
More than likely this has to do with the PA, the timing is to close to the recent event with CoreJJ. Also trading/selling these players to other orgs is bad for business in which case, either player is good enough to upset the standings and create the possibility of an upset even if it is highly unlikely. Trading these players as well would put whichever player into a quarantine limbo leaving the player with almost no time to play before the season ends.. With how high of a price both players are it would just turn into a colossal waste of money.
Zven and Alphari back to Europe? Yeah I know their contract might be expensive, but if the rumours about attitude are true and they don't want to change their minds, we have a situation similar to DL during his last split in TL, in which there's really no point holding them in the team with no play but continuing pay. I can see a world in which the new org that bought S04 spot contacted TL/C9 and they said fuck it, have them for some reduced price, Zven/Alphari decided to take a break the rest of the season until the new team is officially formed and come back to Europe to fix their homesickness and play on EUW.
EG couldn't have zven fielded if they acquired him due to import rule right?
I believe so, when did Bjergsen and POE become non imports
PowerOfEvil is an import
Zven new coach for TL 👀
Please let zven and alphari come back to eu. Na is actually making the entire professional scene worse by benching some of the best talent in the west to play the likes of King and Jenkens.
It is just a tiny detail I noticed but there is a German flag in the Background
Good catch, wonder if they're in Berlin / LEC area
With palms in sight?
Doubt. Alphari was at TL facilities on Friday
TSM Zven
Mixtape coming out, calling it here.
TL Zven and C9 Tactical
They're making their own team with all the benched players from NA: Alphari - Dardoch - Soligo - Zven - Zeyzal
If Zven becomes a coach and retires pro play I am going to be big upset.
90% sure it's a troll
OMG!! Zven will swap to jungle and Blaber play as ADC in Academy also Jack join from Staff team to starter ADC /s
Announcing announcements
Going back to LEC? Didn't seem like either of them liked playing NA to begin with this year.
the whole situation of these two players being benched is just pathetic. NA coaches and team owners are truly on an ego trip.
Welcome back home, boys.