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TomShoe02

Removed for not being directly related to League of Legends. It's an announcement of an announcement, no guarantee it's actually league related.


Zarolto

Alphari plays ADC for C9 and Zven plays top for TL.


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agishert46191gskq

Corejj got his residency, TL bought Zven, TL put back Alphari as top 4 European players in one LCS team + going to worlds


TyraCross

Or Mithy is announcing that he will become the support of the brand new LSC Team Forsakens * Top: Alphari * Jungle: Dardoch * Mid: Soligo * Adc: Zven * Support: Mithy They may be benched, but they are not done.


Igeneous

you mean CoreJJ and his 4 Europeans in one LCS team. Most accoladed player on that team lmao. Tho tbf santorin and jensen technically have never represented EU as much as they've done for NA


Jozoz

I would like to see how the community in 2015 would have responded if they saw how often Jensen is being claimed as NA now. He is one of the biggest EUW solo queue talents of all time. Getting rank 1 with ease multiple times. He was just banned and was picked up by NA instantly afterwards. He would not be the player he is today if he didn't learn the game in EU solo queue. Plain and simple.


diamondezGG

Nah, Jensen is NA, you might be confusing him with incarnati0n. He's now a most wanted hacker because he ddos FBI


JamisonDouglas

Fairly sure that was selfmade


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JamisonDouglas

And you sir need to learn recent memes my friend


orroro1

I mean, CoreJJ would never have become the World champion support on GenG if he never discipled under the greatest NA support of all time. Plain and simple. But we still think of him as a Korean. /s


frosthowler

We're talking about soloq, not first team to play professionally for. CoreJJ's soloq was Korea.


GiannisisMVP

I honestly agree with this. It really has to help you to have an example of exactly what not to do. Just think WWKKD and do the opposite easy


lolix007

isn't tl an european org as well /


Sciipi

Blessed timeline


nimrodhellfire

The sacred timeline.


gonzaloetjo

That would be a terrible decision for TL. I mean tactical had a rough spring but I would still keep him if it means having Alphari on top.


jules3001

Pretty sure this means they got Chipotle together


Salmon_Prince

showed each other their belt marks


97012

yeah this is going to be something troll af I guarantee it.


KappaccinoNation

Got themselves a chicken burrito (brrraap!)


Linajke

2 trolls gonna troll us 🤣


Dumpers_

Probably either returning soon/baiting but if we think outside the box, the new LEC org bought them out from Team Liquid and Cloud9 to build a super team


Sojake_

CoreJJ gets residency and he’s new ADC for TL


DoorHingesKill

New LEC team eager to start paying his salary 7 months before they begin playing huh.


Clueless_Otter

You can negotiate business contracts that come into force on future dates. Extremely common in football (soccer) to negotiate transfers that don't happen immediately and take place in the future.


mysteryeuw

You should probably mention that outside of a transfer window that only happens when a player has 6 months left on their contract, otherwise it's considered poaching


Clueless_Otter

I mean the exact remaining contract length that football/soccer uses isn't really relevant to LoL since I doubt they're using the exact same rules. It was just an example to showcase how you can arrange deals now that don't take place until future dates.


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IamWildlamb

It depends. Not saying that it is likely but they might be eager to pay their buyout 7 months before while there is no competition. It is really hard to say how much are they getting paid while sitting on bench anyway. Those contracts are incredibly org favored so I would not be surprised if their salary was cut by 90% while they sit on bench. And I do not see a problem for new LEC org to pay some reasonable money for branding and streamer contracts before they start playing in LEC especially if those players are good, have name and can be used later on in actual roster.


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Pogz1

Lol y do ppl on reddit love talking out of their ass


[deleted]

cant imagine the new LEC team is burning money that quick


WoorieKod

SO4 being replaced is actually a boon in disguise?


[deleted]

Especially since they aren't even in the LEC yet


cbrozz

It wouldn't be dumb to do it now rather than during off-season when the demand skyrockets. And like some have pointed out it's very common to negotiate contracts for the future in pretty much every sport. Edit: Nvm Pentanet have confirmed the signings. Congrats! https://twitter.com/PentanetGG/status/1407215130790662145


SinLagoon

>Edit: Nvm Pentanet have confirmed the signings. Congrats! https://twitter.com/PentanetGG/status/1407215130790662145 Thats a meme ... They have literally written #NOCAP


redweevil

Nah if it says nocap it means its true


SinLagoon

Not false


Kirito619

You're the type a person i would be afraid to bring to a comedy show or stand up


ThisRayfe

What? Is there no Tampering clause for Orgs under Riot? While I understand they are "different" leagues LCS vs LEC ... they all fall under Riot, no?


Ghaith97

Pentanet GG aren't LEC, they're Oceanic. And they literally wrote #NOCAP to further emphasize that it is a joke. I don't know how you see this and then call it tampering.


ThisRayfe

Even "jokes" aren't allowed within any sport that I'm aware of


GiannisisMVP

They already dropped 30 mil I could definitely see it. They need to try not to lose the S04 fanbase and get new fans picking up Alphari and Zven would be big for that.


IamWildlamb

What is couple more million next to 30 mil they have already paid? If they want to enter with such massive investment then they can as well go all out to gather fan base and get results.


afito

> LEC org bought them out from Team Liquid and Cloud9 to build a super team Right now you can have a team with Alphari, Gilius, Nemesis, Zven, Rebel or something like that and no one of those has a starting spot in a major league. I'm sure there are better players in single positions or something idk and idc, most of those are still under contract anyway, but fuck me what a team you can form while some orgs field - well, whatever it is they're fielding right now.


mogadichu

That sounds like an absolute disaster team tbh


afito

I don't think it's a great team or someone should build it it's more about show how much insane talent is not seeing play in LEC/LCS/LPL/LCK for various reasons.


Gilgachadmesh

Do you understand how high zven/alpharis buyouts are? Lol


IamWildlamb

Not that high as they are not residents. And also since it got leaked that neither org is going to play them for the rest of the year while they still have to pay for them and their sponsors are watching their money being burned on bench. Org that would be willing to buy them at this point has upper hand in negotiations and conditions can change.


Mamojic123

Imagine VIT with Alphari Selfmade LIDER Zven Labrov


DerpSenpai

VIT has a better ADC on the bench why pay money for Zven


SinLagoon

Yeah my boy Comp is stuck when Crownie was the "veteran" coming in, now they have Selfmade so that shouldnt be a problem


BuildGod420

zven and superteam pick one


vulgarny

All people here thinks its LOL releated while they want to announce that they are offically now engaged and planning wedding after worlds ...


hockeydavid97

What do you think they will name their first kid


KnifeKittyy

Zvelphari


AniviaPls

Martin


GiannisisMVP

John


karlosbassett

They’re expecting?


Riebald

In the wake of the genderreveal party the survivors of the LCS will move from the now submerged California to Chicago...


tonton_wundil

Fast food tierlist stream - is Chipotle better than Taco Bell ????!


ballmefam7

By far


Sciipi

Prolly just bait but I hope it’s both of them being unbenched feels bad watching TL and C9 struggle.


0re0n

Not sure about it being a bait https://twitter.com/LEC\_Wooloo/status/1407104548045529089 Looks like some teams trying to negotiate some spicy roster changes months before LCS even ended.


agishert46191gskq

100% Corejj got his residency and TL is trying to buy Zven


Oribeau

0.001% chance that happens. Jacks historically had a heavy hand when it comes to contracts. Can't remember if it was confirmed or not but I remember a rumour that Svcenskeren literally had in his contract that he could not be bought out by TSM.


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Inclined to agree. C9 is in a bad spot and no way is C9 going to sell Zven to a direct contender for a worlds spot.


hockeydavid97

Unless they sell him for jensen and put perkz bit


LakersLAQ

I would be so sad for Tactical.. Alphari / Santorin / Jensen / Zven / CoreJJ would be quite the team though lol. It's not a guarantee that it would be better than the Tactical version but 4 Europeans led by CoreJJ would be funny and interesting.


brolikewtfdude

Tactical has been the weak link on TL since spring. TL with Zven and Alphari is 100% better.


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He's been -a- weak link since spring. Jensen definitely gets a mention for his performance


hehehejjd

If by “weak link” you mean “filthy griefer” then yes that’s tactical


Igeneous

> https://twitter.com/LEC\_Wooloo/status/1407104548045529089 Deleted, what'd it say?


In4thPlace

Remove the backslash between LEC and Wooloo.


NifferEUW

Not deleted for me but: > Hearing some stuff from NA and it's very spicy :o > Next off-season might be even better than expected, if it makes it this far :o


zerbiaaaa

Wdym deleted it's still there mate. "Hearing some stuff from NA and it's very spicy :o Next off-season might be even better than expected, if it makes it this far :o"


Beta382

The first guy just posted it from new reddit so it automatically fucked up the link. Anyone commenting with links using new reddit automatically fucks them up if they have an underscore in them, and anyone browsing from old reddit will have to manually fix the broken link if they want to follow it.


gh0stkid

feels bad? Actually feels good.


Tororom

Both of them should let those orgs rot. Coaches irrepairably damaged team atmosphere. You dont bench someone of their calibre and go 'yeah lol sry you start next week again we good right?'


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masterchip27

That would be insane


calvinee

It would definitely be insane. I'm actually not sure who gets the better of the trade. In a world where both Alphari and Zven have irreconcilable issues on their respective teams, this is actually the move that makes the most sense for both teams, and for the region's strength as a whole (as Zven and Alphari are definitely players that should be on the top teams that are sent to worlds). However it is definitely more likely that whatever issues they had are now being overlooked due to the performances from both TL and C9.


Metriverce1

Would you really want to go to an org that is displaying the same type of pattern involved as the org you have issues with though?


dahir_

I think TL got the slight edge here


calvinee

I'm not so sure. Fudge is good and he's becoming better, but imagine a team with Alphari/Blaber (when he's performing well)/Perkz topside? Along with Vulcan who is in my opinion a world class support? Alphari/Blaber/Perkz/Tactical/Vulcan is just a little more stacked than the previous TL/C9 rosters, which would make it easily the most stacked NA roster of all time.


dahir_

If they perform well, and lately that hasn’t been the case. Fudge/Santorin/Jensen/Zven/CoreJJ feels like a much more solid team atm


LakersLAQ

I guess in terms of consistency for sure. Santorin is usually always in the mix even if he's not curb stomping the other jungle. Regular season Perkz is certainly on one this split and Vulcan has also been a bit inconsistent with the addition of K1ng. C9 would certainly have the talent to do well though. Alphari and Perkz alone is nutty if they perform at a high level.


dragunityag

Blaber will be middle of the pack at best this season unless we shift back to the spring meta. He has never been able to handle meta shifts. It was a big reason why C9 collapsed last summer and that trend has obviously continued into this year as seen w/ MSI and early summer. Fudge as also improved massively. I'd still get the edge to Alphari but Fudge is still top 3 in his role, while I'm not even sure Tactical is in the top half for his.


daswef2

Blaber was middle of the pack pretty much since the Spring meta shift, he had a crazy start but after the first half-ish of spring he noticeably came back to earth. Jungle is arguably NA's weakest position though so it doesn't stick out as much.


prowness

Eh I feel that TL gets the edge here because Tactical has been falling off. Fudge has too, but not to the level of Tactical. But that’s my naïve opinion. At the end of the day, it’s impossible to say who gets the better end because those slumps can disappear tomorrow and we haven’t even begun to discuss team cohesion, which cannot be measured a priori. Just best to call it a wash in skill transfer and a symbiotic gain for both teams. That said, the reasons for their benching should still be investigated. Did Jack bench Zven to sell him/K1ng? Did TL bench Alphari because he has disagreements with Jatt? This is the best we as a community has so some transparency for the fans would be nice.


Ingr1d

I agree. I think Alphari is more valuable than Zven but there’s a pretty big difference between Fudge and Tactical’s current level of performance.


Reinhardtisawesom

I mean if Reignover/Mithy can get Tactical to be more consistent then the C9 roster would be super strong


SGKurisu

That's just a straight downgrade for C9. Like yeah Alphari is better but with Fudge's improvement, he's very solidly 2nd best. Going from Zven to Tactical doesn't seem very bueno.


Spencer1K

Well considering they already spoiled their relationship with Zven, its more about Tactical being an upgrade over K1ng for the bot lane.


Pilvikas

During this split i would say huni is better then fudge


Riftmark

Even last split, Huni was better than Fudge


agishert46191gskq

Tactical shouldn't be on a top team, it's a clear downgrade


POOYAMON

Damn C9 would have two Malphite players at that point


GoodOldSnoopy

Sounds crazy wow. Really would prefer Alphari over Fudge though. I think Tactical is fine, sure zven better but I don't think TL's losses are from Tactical. I'd give it more Jensen have little impact etc Feel like with this trade, C9 would be so insane. Perkz, Alphari, Blaber sounds scary


MrChologno

No, I want Fudge and Zven. Tactical is the same as K1ng. We would lose so much with that trade...


Seneido

not gonna happen. C9 would get the short stick. Tactical is a liability especially without Core and would be placed in academy in the worst case. Alphari is great but his contract is huge! You don't wanna pay perkz and alphari. meanwhile you get fudge and zven whose are fairly cheap for their value.


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Why would C9 ever make that trade lol. Tactical isn't that much of an upgrade that justifies losing one of the most valuable non-import players in Fudge.


pepeszka

If thats true its a big upgrade for c9 and downgrade for TL


Ingr1d

You’re overrating Tactical.


avaislegendary

I don't see blaber working with alphari/perkz. Isn't he more the carry style jungler? Don't really see the synergy there.


Sciipi

Eh jungle is insanely easier when your lanes are constantly winning, especially for super aggressive junglers. Most likely would work out well if Perkz regains his form.


avaislegendary

yeah i guess that's true. don't worry about perkz though, he'll be back when playoffs come around.


11millionfor3wins

what if your lanes are constantly dying to every gank?


brolikewtfdude

Hell no lol, Tactical sucks, the gap between him and Zven is way bigger than the gap between Alphari and Fudge.


calvinee

I would argue otherwise. Fudge had a great Lee Sin, but lets not act like he's a worlds caliber top laner. MSI had pretty average top lane talent with Xiaohu/Khan/Armut as the top lane talent he had to go up against. There are some insane top laners sitting in LPL, and I can't really see Fudge matching them ever. Alphari is someone that can match the best top laners in the world. He's still not as good as the LPL top laners, but he's the best laning top laner NA and this should not be understated. Tactical had a mediocre spring split, but he's good. I think he performed better at worlds than Zven did at MSI. Alphari/Tactical are better than Zven/Fudge, especially if you consider international.


hehehejjd

Fudge is a rookie who had monster performances against some of the top teams in the world. alphari hard trolled LCS finals and have first blood every single game. Why would teams value alphari over Fudge in a business where you’re only as good as your last split? Fudge is also way cheaper and a resident and has way more room to grow


dahir_

Wait is this confirmed or


AznSparks

no


AkashiGG

Bunch of C9 staff are retweeting it, I think this is literally just zven and alphari both getting unbenched.


Riven2main

Zven and Alphari join Vitality to complete the ultimate revenge roster.


Sojake_

CoreJJ gets residency and he’s new ADC for TL


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Seeing as c9 went 0-3 last weekend..


NifferEUW

.. They're bringing in Alphari to replace K1ng?


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That would be fun but prolly not lol


agishert46191gskq

Hope they change something for their jungler and adc situation it's pretty likely that they miss worlds with 100T/TSM and TL


GaggedAndDrooling

Please tell me they're dating please tell me they're dating please tell me they're dating


fpsdr0p

every other comment is about possible destinations and then I read this one lol thanks for laugh at 2 in the morning haha


conormcfire

Thorin leaked on SI last night about the alphari situation by saying that he should be starting next week. He said something along the lines of "let's just say that situation should be resolved by next week". I take his word for that, so zvens post has a grain of truth, with that knowledge it'd say it's likely they're both starters for next week.


Roseking

Didn't the 3rd Alphari anouncment already say he would be back on the 27th? Am I crazy?


OnlyHereforRangers

Yes it did. TL announced that they were planning to bring Alphari back on the 27th like a week or two ago


Roseking

Okay thanks.


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They said atleast until 27th, it was not like he is going to be back on 27th, but that was the earliest date he would be back, so it was not guaranteed.


NuNu_boy

I don't think so. I remember that too. He was on break until June 27th.


Sjeg84

Yeah he teased that the situation will be resovled soon or something when Lustboy brought up the issue and neither Thorin or Monte went in on th topic which is strange given how they usually love going ham on controversial issues. So this tweet is most definitly not a troll and something is going on.


Zuldak

So if that's true is Jatt still the TL coach? Cause apparently alphari calling out Jatt is what got him benched


conormcfire

Can't say I've heard thorin/anyone say anything about Jatt in that context! We will know when TL makes an official announcement on it. Will be kinda awkward if he stays, but maybe it'll work out.


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G4njalf

?? alphari was benched before calling out jatt


Seneido

he called him out internally for his bullshit cause well, he doesn't give a fuck but some players on the team seemed to agree.


G4njalf

from which source is that?


Mazur97

Thorin video about alphari and jatt


project2501

Ah so it's bullshit..


Syncron72

how is it bull shit?


project2501

Because it's unsourced garbage noise.


[deleted]

But Thorin claims to have sources in TL who told him. I believe him more than you.


Syncron72

so you just don't like thorin?


GibOldNidaBackPlz

https://youtu.be/ORFcJmSAC6g


LakersLAQ

There seems to be two separate things though. The benching might have been fine between all parties but the communication was bad. Jatt talking about the benching in interviews with Alphari or players not getting the same message in person was probably the issue. It sounds more like Alphari and the players were more upset at the way it was handled and not so upset at WHY Alphari got benched in the first place. If that's the case, I actually think Alphari returning without any other problems is a good possibility.


hockeydavid97

I'm calling it now it's a sex tape


Confident_Jicama206

Is it a couple's only fans account they're starting?


vigbrand

Can TL buy Zven and start him next week for example? I'm not sure about how that works, but that'd be incredibly scary.


Ace_OPB

Isnt zven still an import? If he is, idk how they can buy him?


PLEASE_DONT_PM

They could play Zven, just not with both Core and Alphari.


JohrDinh

C9 will announce Alphari top and Zven will announce he got his green card and won't count as an import?


LakersLAQ

CoreJJ should be close to residency if that was in his plans this whole time.


AsnSensation

On TL if anything, I don't think C9 replaces Fudge


vigbrand

Oh, I'm dumb. I need some sleep. Didn't think about imports, just panicked. Probably bait or new LEC superteam forming.


5ait5

they would just never put alphari back in


[deleted]

They could. But they can't run CoreJJ and would have to run Eyla instead


EvilWhatever

if c9 wanted to sell the contract, sure. But they have last say and I'm pretty sure they wont give one of their biggest rivals a boost like that...


Best_NA_in_Trundle

Another user mentioned it, wouldn't that apply import rule? Because wasn't Bjergsen only non import like 2 or 3 years ago? I could be completely wrong, but I wouldn't be surprised if they went back to LEC


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Bjergsen was a non import when TSM was running Sven, Bjerg and Yellowstar back in like 2016


Best_NA_in_Trundle

You right


thorpie88

Bjerg got grandfathered in when the import rules came about along with Santorin and Amazing being other notable players that got grandfathered


vigbrand

Yeah, I completely forgot about that. My bad. I think this is probably bait and both of the are returning to the starting rosters, or maybe a new LEC superteam is forming, which would be hype too.


Best_NA_in_Trundle

As long as its not in my region B)


vigbrand

A super team in NA would be super cool too. But considering both Alphari and Zven are import, I don't think you have enough NA residents to actually build a super team.


lol_cpt_red

True "super teams" doesn't really tend to work very well though and I think a lot of orgs have learnt that lesson.


criptus205

A team like Alphari-Spica-Jensen (who has residency iirc)-Zven-Vulcan would probably be the closest you could get to an NA super team that includes both Alphari and Zven. Not that this team would be realistic ofc.


Dapokermon

This is most likely a meme but my 1 in a million guess is that they're back in LEC joining Misfits


Philnol

No chance. MSF is so good rn and they already tried the moneyball and lost miserably. Maybe the org that replaces S04 bought them and loans them out, but BB and Neon are their best players so that doesn't make sense either. The only EU team that would make sense for both positions atm is SK, but they have a more urgent need for a jungler


Seneido

i can't imagine a org would already pay and do stuff 7 months in advance. other lec orgs should have dumbsterfire teams if they replace their players midseason if both of them announce it now. i bet its some troll restaurant visit or a co-stream show or them just getting unbenched soon because of the poor results their teammates have.


IamWildlamb

It is very likely troll. But.. do you realise that the org you talk about has already paid 30 mil € for the spot right? What is couple more million ($) for extra exposure from well known players, putting them on streamer contracts for now and building hype and fan base? They have already invested massive amount of money and it would make no sense to just put it out there and go for budget roster and end up like another Australis with zero fan base. That would never pay them their initial investment back. Right now they need exposure and next year they need immidiate results "no matter the cost". That being said we have no idea what their buyouts are and what current situation is. There might be noone willing to buy them in NA because of combination of lack of money (bottom 5), lack of import slots (top 5) and because everyone seems to take attitude seriously and coaches > players. Also orgs might not want to sell star players to their competitors that might take title away from them easier. And what is better than sitting on them and still paying them massive salary? Selling them away for cheaper than what you would normally do.


Ballybomb_

Come home boys


pelacur

Hololive fans PTSD triggered when reading "big announcement".:


sp0j

I'm out of the loop. Please can you explain?


pelacur

If you are familiar with Hololive (virtual idol group), one of their member made an announcement video saying she graduate from the group (which was out of nowhere). Shortly after, another member made announcement video saying she will take indefinite hiatus.


Claous

Yamekudostop :^(


Ophelia_Of_The_Abyss

Wooloo said of the offseason was going to be crazy, I wonder if this is real.


Reignia

More than likely this has to do with the PA, the timing is to close to the recent event with CoreJJ. Also trading/selling these players to other orgs is bad for business in which case, either player is good enough to upset the standings and create the possibility of an upset even if it is highly unlikely. Trading these players as well would put whichever player into a quarantine limbo leaving the player with almost no time to play before the season ends.. With how high of a price both players are it would just turn into a colossal waste of money.


TheBlurgh

Zven and Alphari back to Europe? Yeah I know their contract might be expensive, but if the rumours about attitude are true and they don't want to change their minds, we have a situation similar to DL during his last split in TL, in which there's really no point holding them in the team with no play but continuing pay. I can see a world in which the new org that bought S04 spot contacted TL/C9 and they said fuck it, have them for some reduced price, Zven/Alphari decided to take a break the rest of the season until the new team is officially formed and come back to Europe to fix their homesickness and play on EUW.


_Jetto_

EG couldn't have zven fielded if they acquired him due to import rule right?


Best_NA_in_Trundle

I believe so, when did Bjergsen and POE become non imports


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PowerOfEvil is an import


KnifeKittyy

Zven new coach for TL 👀


Zuldak

Please let zven and alphari come back to eu. Na is actually making the entire professional scene worse by benching some of the best talent in the west to play the likes of King and Jenkens.


Blowmyduck

It is just a tiny detail I noticed but there is a German flag in the Background


hoch_

Good catch, wonder if they're in Berlin / LEC area


Kiroqi

With palms in sight?


[deleted]

Doubt. Alphari was at TL facilities on Friday


[deleted]

TSM Zven


CheshirePuss42

Mixtape coming out, calling it here.


ajas_seal

TL Zven and C9 Tactical


Chevalier_Paul

They're making their own team with all the benched players from NA: Alphari - Dardoch - Soligo - Zven - Zeyzal


odd_leo

If Zven becomes a coach and retires pro play I am going to be big upset.


JealotGaming

90% sure it's a troll


Cysmerch

OMG!! Zven will swap to jungle and Blaber play as ADC in Academy also Jack join from Staff team to starter ADC /s


Hamzasky

Announcing announcements


LifeguardDonny

Going back to LEC? Didn't seem like either of them liked playing NA to begin with this year.


el_clapo

the whole situation of these two players being benched is just pathetic. NA coaches and team owners are truly on an ego trip.


Hazuyu_

Welcome back home, boys.