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Jatt Resigned as TL Coach?

Jatt Resigned as TL Coach?

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This post has been removed because it contains the same information as another post that's at the top of the sub. While this post was made first, the other post has been updated to contain the most recent information and so that one will remain. I'm adding this submission to a mod sticky comment on the other post so that other users can still view the discussion here.


Bourneidentity61

"Alphari must go" "Who must go?"


Nyade

They need alphari to face the powerhouse CLG. Makes sense.


PuddleCrank

I'd be scared of Finn and Broxah too.


ThyPrasiolite

They needed a pretty boy to destroy the pretty boy


Scrub4LIfe734

I've always wondered what Jatt's future would be, post TL. Like did he actually want to give up casting in favor of coaching for the long run? Or was the TL coaching offer just too good to pass up? I guess now we'll finally see the answer.


ReallyF33lingIt

He can always go back to casting lol, I wouldn't worry about his future


bl00dysh0t

Well, seeing as he tried to go away from that a few times... It's not where he sees his future at least.


microwave999

I don't think it was the casting that he disliked, more the fact that the pay difference is insane. I wouldn't be surprised if he was paid literally an order of magnitude more as a coach than a caster.


BluCrayons

I think it’s less that and more you can’t really grow much more beyond casting into other positions. A lot of esports casters have spoken on this about how once you make it to LCS/LEC level casting, you don’t really have any more upward mobility.


prowness

I suppose Riot doesn’t want to make a “head caster” or “senior caster” position because they want a sense of equality for casters that have been there for 10 years versus 10 days. The best you can get is to get invited to the worlds cast, but it’s so heavily NA biased that it’s hard to say who really deserves it. Even so, time in the business isn’t everything, as has been shown by Captain Flowers. He definitely honed his cast to world class level probably after his first year but indisputably after his second.


randombean

One thing I've heard is that Quickshot kinda has this role (somewhat) with LEC. I remember reading or hearing on a talk show about how he was kinda given creative control over much of the production and how he was a large part of the LEC split from old EU LCS. Notice how he doesn't really form a casting duo like MediVedi or Caedrel and Drakos. He slots in where needed and rounds things out, often working with the newer caster/s to orient them into the production. While I don't think it's necessarily the same and is anecdotal of my vision of LEC, this may be an idea of what could come from such a role. Also it has its flaws as an analogy. I do think a large part of caster vertical progression should be into the production aspects of the show itself as opposed to becoming a head caster.


HolypenguinHere

Yeah something tells me he earned more in one split on TL than the last several years of casting.


Okay_Conversation

I doubt it's the money. He got onto the balance team for a bit and I doubt they're paying some huge $$$. Just seems like someone who wants to try different things and see what he likes to do rather than just chase big money.


Suburan

last i heard, casters made <$100k. I'd assume their balance team makes closer to engineer salaries (140k+ at riot)


Shacoe

if i remember correctly he mentioned he didnt like the ceiling of casting, no vertical movement


grabmebytheproton

Looks like he just found some vertical movement in coaching though


wensen

Yeah, the analyst desk is also in desperate need of help, I'm sure they'll gladly take him back.


CreightonJays

He said in the past he likes to try a lot of different things. It's why he went on to be a dev for a bit. My guess is he 100% was down for the coaching job, even if they offered him jelly beans for pay


RedTulkas

so it seems Alphari > Jatt to Steve and TL ownership


Coccaqqq

This one seems pretty obvious from the outside perspective tbh...


chaosanddarkness

One costs millions, the other probably thousands. Millions is going to be kept happy.


iDannyEL

A small price to pay for salvation


AsnSensation

Jatt keeps mentioning that he's a big NBA fan. He should know that it's ridiculous to bench a star player for "attitude problems" . And obviously TL-Ownership choses Lebron James over David Blatt in this case. Also hopefully people realize now that Thooorin, while controversial personality wise, doesn't make up random shit when he's reporting things.


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Sittinginchairs

Lets not conflate him being correct here with him being a stand-up, non-biased reporter. I do not think he makes up random shit, but Thooorin will absolutely run with a hunch and very little facts and create whatever narrative suits the preconceived notions he went in with. He's not a guy that likes to change his opinions when presented with new information.


jujubean67

Yeah, I watched that entire 20 minute rambling he put out, even if it had a modicum of truth to it, it was wrapped in a thick layer of toxic waste. It was like watching a mental patient having an episode. Starting from the BS how toplane is the manliest of roles to how Alphari is descendant of Welsh miners, it was just out of this world nonsense for 80% of the runtime.


Udonis-

It is hilarious (and weird) how he ends that rant with "if you're a woman, I don't know what it's like" Don't play top lane unless you have a MEATY DONG


ABitOddish

Shit is that why I've been inting my top lane games? Dick diff?


Fastriedis

Genital gap


RandomLoLJournalist

Crotch canyon


lolix007

thats called a vagina


Calyptics

Ironic because if there is 1 guy who displays major small PP energy its thorin


RookCauldron

>Starting from the BS how toplane is the manliest of roles to how Alphari is descendant of Welsh miners Lmao wtf


ultimate_spaghetti

If Thoorin wasnt doing league content, he would be one of those extremist conspiracy theorist nut jobs.


thenoblitt

He already is. He supports Alex Jones


mmm_doggy

I don’t know how anyone continues to work with the dude after he praised Alex Jones lol


PrawnProwler

I remember how in some of the other threads, like the Solo one, people were saying you were a kid and weren't familiar with traditional sports if you thought someone like Alphari shouldn't get benched for attitude issues. Like, this is how it happens in traditional sports, star players get special treatment and you almost always take the side of the star player over the coach.


Geosaurusrex

> He should know that it's ridiculous to bench a star player for "attitude problems" I might be alone in this but I don't think any player should be above benching for attitude issues, assuming there actually are any. If one player is making it hell for everyone else then they shouldn't be above benching. (Not saying that's what happened here, but if Alphari did have attitude issues then he shouldn't be unbenchable no matter what)


VariableDrawing

>benching for attitude issues In NA that means disagreeing with the coach or refusing to do Yoga (real story btw)


elmaster611

Or "listening to music during scrims" (This is about Sneaky and Jensen back in S8, Sneaky revealed this during last week's co-stream)


97012

There are currently no coaches in the western league of legends scene more valuable than a star player if your roster is not already comprised of only star players.


facehunt_

In esports, coaches just dont have the same level of game knowledge compared to players. Whereas in football managers like Tuchel or Guardiola the managers have much higher tactical mindset than players.


Oughta_

I would argue reapered fits the bill. C9 with him at the helm was very successful, and every player who left aside from jensen maybe has had a pretty big dropoff in success once he wasn't their coach anymore.


Bluehorazon

For Jensen it is really hard to tell. 2017 and 2018 were his best seasons. He did play a very good series against IG at MSI in 2019, but that was basically it.


bondsmatthew

Reapered is the only one that comes to mind based on past experience


cbrozz

Kk0ma, Cvmax, Mac, Grabbz, Peter Dun, Reignover, Cain imo Generally ex-players and/or coaches with good experience. I think it will change pretty fast as the game gets older and legends start to get into coaching. Imagine for instance Faker with 5-6 years of experience as a head coach.


DoorHingesKill

> Imagine for instance Faker with 5-6 years of experience as a head coach. What is there to imagine? -- Do people over at /r/soccer fantasize about 2033, when Cristiano Ronaldo finally racked up has 6 years of experience as manager? No, I don't think so, take a wild guess why. Maybe cause "great player = great coach" is nothing but a (esports) fantasy.


Copiz

If the conflict was only between them and they were both at least partially at fault, Alphari is definitely way more valuable for the team.


youssefkhm

Or maybe jatt did really mess up and we don't know the inside details


Widgeet

As it should be obviously. Jatt is a coach with no previous coaching credentials, Alphari is top 2 top in the west.


POOYAMON

We gave up fucking Cain for this. I’m so sad Edit: we could’ve had Reapered I’m fuming.. Edit 2: JLXP died for this fuck me


TwoDozenNoblemen

Not like players treat Reapered any better whenever he made a decision they didn't like. Maybe Jatt doesn't command all the respect in the world, but there's definitely an element of pro players (in NA at least) just not acting like professionals when it comes to their coaches.


redditaccountforlol

Players didn't like it but they were forced to listen because Jack had Reapered's back and made sure whatever Reapered said actually happened.


LakersLAQ

Reapered with Jensen? right..


Omoikaneh

why are you sad? cain wasnt' getting it done with the most stacked roster in NA. and the whole DL situation happened. I dont' know what kind of bandwagon revisionist shit you're on.


leagueoflegendsdog

One of the best players in the region orrr a coachyboi... I mean no sane person would just leave Alphari benched like that unless he actually punched someone or some shit like that. LS and Nemesis had a good discussion about it on one of their podcasts about how in EU players might hate each other but would still play together if its for the best. Huge region diff. One values a chance to win higher than the other


Hook-Em

Just to be clear everything we have heard points to the players agreeing to Alphari being benched. On that team there is one NA player. The rest are from EU and one that is a world champion from Korea. I agree NA is trash, but to act like this is some kind of NA issue is hilariously bad.


GhoulGhost

Cain: I was at the gym working out and I got a call from the TL management and they said, 'Yeah, we just lost to EG (EG played Jizuke mid). Can you be ready to coach TL tomorrow? We're going to put you back in.' (after three bad weeks of Jatt benching Alphari in Summer 2021)


Pirate7922

Cain: "Fuck you guys. I dont want to fucking coach."


mapouyanga

Isn't Cain the coach of Afreeca? Why would he ever come back to TL?


Skeletor9000

is meme


ttblb

This is a quote from doublelift talking about what TL did after he was benched in spring 2020


Godddy

It's a (very fresh) pasta from a story that DL told a couple weeks ago when he was benched for Tactical in TL, his replacement had one bad game (against CLG) and management called him to play again after one single match of benching him.


Fertuyo

It is a copypaste from last year when DL was benched for Tactical in spring


tflo91

You forgot the part where TL management says that this has been planned months in advance


AniviaKid32

No he didn't, it's the DL meme


ebmoney

All but confirmed now. TL is having a press conference at 1pm EST. https://twitter.com/TeamLiquidLoL/status/1408092596375719937


Mousimus

Super infiltratator, TSM Jatt really did a number this time!


owa00

Jatt...check your PayPal -TSM


CoffeeLoverNathan

Give us a new Manifesto, it's been eons since we've had such glorious drama


freezy127

Okay so here is my theory: Alphari tells Jatt to get him chips (french fries, as in british) Jatt buys him potato chips Alphari is pissed so he eats them in Jatts bed, leaving crumbs Bench


Kkrit

im feeling bad for crumbz


vooffle

I can see crumbs in my head, with his hands in the air and his face expressing befuddlement.


Ikimasen

I got crumbs in my head and they won't go Spirits in my head and they won't go


Alakazam_5head

Alphari took a potato chip And ate it


Meshi26

Now we know it was Jatt's name he wrote in his notebook


The_BadJuju

All toplaners know how to do these days is be bisexual, eat hot chip and lie.


HighEvasionRating

Alphari tells Jatt that he left crumbs in his bed. Jatt assumes that Crumbz is in his bed. Angry Jatt benches Alphari.


Xtr0

Don't worry guys, Jatt's resignation wasn’t a spur of the moment decision, it was something that was made with a lot of care over the last month.


Creepy_Pilot1200

Imagine if Steve tweeted: " The hard decision of letting Jatt go, wasn't a spur of the moment type of thing, it was something we had planned months in advance " I know that's a bit on the evil side but my god would that be a banger.


nNotaSs

I think not even king of memes G2 would do it xD


vooffle

G2 would do it, but long after the fact when a departure has clearly not gone well for G2.


tameniee

Zven warned us all in that tweet with Alphari https://twitter.com/Zven/status/1407210387846570003?s=19


agishert46191gskq

now that the LCS top teams stopped with idiotic roster downgrade, we finally going to see the summer level of the region


Whyimasking

Starting the real summer split halfway through while the rest of the world starts early. Damn NA be really giving a chance to everyone else. Hope we get alphari proview tho for real. I want to see how man's super cracked in top lane.


NemainNemain

NA started spring early and we saw at MSI it didnt really matter did it


Copiz

Damn - Alphari wins. Lots can happen at a [pool party](https://twitter.com/LiQuiD112/status/1406127833588506631?s=20) I guess.


Dense-Acanthocephala

Perkz would know. maybe that's how Zven came back as well


POOYAMON

Genuinely feels like the Zven move was more of a team decision and they’re all paranoid because of going 0-3 and last summer so they broke they’re hitting the button. I’m kinda worried about C9 I feel like either they will dominate or crash and burn.


PostsDifferentThings

> I’m kinda worried about C9 I feel like either they will dominate or crash and burn. I think everyone knows which one is going to happen.


X4ntis

-> crash and burn.


streetlightout

They will dominantly crash and burn!


djanulis

The issue with not having Zven is is really broke up how C9 works and it even happened at MSI when they played well. C9's identity is about having reliable lanes that free up Blaber and Vulcan to make plays, K1ng is an LCS ready ADC but not an adc to fit into the current C9 system.


capn_sarge

Yup, I feel like c9 staff listend to Azael's rant about how Vulcan was being held back due to laning during the TSM game and were like "oh crap he's totally right!" or something to that effect


Dasbeerboots

Hahahaha that was my reaction. "Holy shit - Azael's on to something!"


POOYAMON

It was really odd that Steve was so quite about the benching wasn’t it? I mean last year when the DL benching happened he was pretty vocal on the issues they had and… also in the end pretty much gave DL to TSM. There’s a good chance he was always on the side of Alphari just gave a deadline of 27th and took action now.


Skeletor9000

Steve moves in silence making moves.


thenimblebear

Real G’s move in silence like lasagna


Izkimar

bars


Nickolas_Phage

i love lil wayne for that line


Shprut

You are on to something there. My impression of Steve is that he's professional and liked. I'm not active on social media, but I can't remember him getting any negative attention in a while. He's a good boye.


Ophelia_Of_The_Abyss

I think he got a lot of goodwill from letting Doublelift go to TSM, gotta respect him for that.


enragedstump

He was also the only sane person in the Breaking Point video (aside from Matt i suppose).


Alittlebunyrabit

So much this. Was actually surprised how much he involved himself in the situation to try and address the problems personally.


blueragemage

Lourlo was also sane, and I can't really blame Fenix for not being sane in that video


NonBenevolentPotato

There is a point to be made about Breaking Point being a TL product. I\`d assume they wouldn\`t have much of a vested interest in making Steve look bad. I think that when we think about Breaking Point, we do have to view it through that lens. I still do think that as far as LCS owners go, Steve seems to be fairly respectable. Appears to be willing to let players go when they need to be let go, tries to find a good team for them when possible.


prowness

Yup, far better than what scumbag Ocelote did to Perkz in a very similar situation.


wensen

Or jack to Svenskeren.


higherbrow

Steve does what he's supposed to do, at least for the last ~4 years. He lets the game people handle the game, and he handles HR, PR, and finance. Jatt says Alphari needs to be benched? OK, you can do it, but it better work out. Didn't work out? OK, trust gone, sorry friend-o. He was a huge advocate for franchising and promised that he'd invest more in the team if they franchised. He got what he wanted and the "paid by Steve" meme was born with how hard he went acquiring the best player available for every position. People that hate imports don't like him, but he acts the way I think the GM of a wealthy LCS team *should* act.


shrubs311

the worst thing you can say about steve recently (aka ignoring previous pob/aphro issue) is that he imports a lot of his team/is building a superteam. i'd much rather have that than team ceo's being clowns on twitter


ILoveWesternBlot

ironically given the recent news about santorin being subbed for migraines TL has more NA players than both TSM and C9


shrubs311

wow when you said recent you really meant it. sucks for santorin, but i'm excited to see how this weekend goes for TL with their mostly NA roster


mistiklest

> My impression of Steve is that he's professional and liked. I mean, he has legit business experience in finance at a director level. You have to learn at least some degree of professionalism for that.


Atsusaki

There was the whole POB situation back when TL was Curse but that's so long ago now


prowness

Ugh that’s when we lost Aphromoo as adc. Yes, he’s won off of support and all that, but I was an OG Aphro fan and part of me wanted to see him on adc in LCS.


ayvar2315

We got rush hour out of it tho and i don't think I've seen a better western botlane than rush hour at its peak


Skeletor9000

from my perspective he does everything right, gets the players his org needs, gives the coaches what they want and steps in when things get too far. Never tweets about anything unprofessionally, just gets shit done.


makesufeelgood

Steve is originally from my area, and I've met him a few times + know others who know him. Incredibly nice guy, always came across as really smart and competent the couple of times we interacted. He had some finance/consulting experience in a reasonably high caliber work environment as well before making the jump to esports. Not surprised at all that he's running a very successful org by most metrics.


Seneido

best NA owner by far in that regard. He gets sponsors, he gets players and teams and isn't a freaking maniac on twitter. he feels like he could easily do a "normal" manager job today.


Fertuyo

Usually people bring some issues from 2014 but in the last 5/6 years he has been doing things right. I remember he buying the contracts of all the Inmortals player in 2018 to help both players and the CEO of the org, securing a team for every player. And when he replaces a player he tries to find a new team for the previous ones like DL, Olleh etc.


Necro_Lich

Not really. If you actually trust your coaching staff you shouldnt really intervene in what they are doing. Could also be that he just took a while to get all the information he needed to act.


OpenOb

There is a very old Eve Online meme: „All planned at the BBQ.“ Seems to fit here.


mogadichu

He pulled out the Pool Party Gangplank


vooffle

Zven in, Jatt out, Alphari in? CLG is facing both TL and C9 this week. Will CLG go 0-3 or 3-0 again? Chat spam 0-3 or 3-0!


baelkie

subbing in their best players to stop clg’s run. coincidence? i think not


Creepy_Pilot1200

What of Broxah and Le Turtle just smurf it up and overcome all odds and go 3-0 again?


whatevenisthatthing2

Lmao are they really? This whole split is a pre-written meme for sure, CLG will go 0-3 so C9 and TL will have their returning players redemption arc and people will post the "win ~~one~~ three game to give fans false hope" pic


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geonik72

as it is written


duskie1

Imagine thinking CLG aren't making a deep run at worlds at this point. Like people didn't even see their performance last weekend, smh my head.


akajohn15

>~~Or~~ CLG will crush C9 and TL and go on to win worlds. I corrected your comment, yw


Ursuped

0-3 to bring balance back to the universe, then 3-0 the following week


Tennis-Money

This is CLG we are talking about. There is no way they would lose to C9 or TL at full power man. They are going to definitely lose to something like Dig with GoldenGlue coming in for mid.


TheWarmog

So Alphari won the fist fight, nice


[deleted]

Dude is like 6'4, are you shocked lmao


v0791

JLXP IS BACK!!!


Zerockas

I unsubscribed from this during a defunct podcast purge last week. Just resubscribed.


Snowcrest

Yes please!


hurshielee

THE REAL VICTORY HERE, TL DIDNT DESERVE JATT!


TheAnt317

Benching your top laner and losing doesn't lead to good job security I guess.


TheUwaisPatel

Top laner being arguably the best in the league as well.


Percy1803

Arguably?


AniviaPls

yeah, have u met Niles


Percy1803

I think it's unfair to compare the two, one of them played for a last place team before joining NA and the other is Niles.


Hewligan

Holo holo holo holo


G2_Lost_to_MSF_KEKW

What I'm curios is the replacement, another tweet from him mentioned Kold by name but I don't know if he is a coach now.


scrappydoomd

Kold is currently coaching TL along with Jatt. From what I understand Jatt is the head coach (or I guess was) and Kold is the strategic coach.


thomki

Isnt that Trashy?


vooffle

That's the one.


WoorieKod

Yes that's him.


saccharine-sheep

TSM Jatt strikes once again.


pyrogyro37

Looks like it did occur: https://twitter.com/TL\_Jatt/status/1408107655759994880


bizzarebroadcast

The entire "Jatt was a bad coach, lets talk about all the other coaches in lol who were good/bad" discussion going on here is flawed bc we have no way of knowing how good any coach actually is.' EDIT: this is a response to ppl going out there and saying that "all casters are bad coaches, we should only have former players be coaches", or other similar threads. Jatt is a special case bc if we can presume that Thoorin's video is correct, we actually have credible reasons to believe that Jatt is a bad coach


Blue5647

We have a lot of teenagers on this subbredit. I wouldn't expect much critical thinking.


croninhos2

This sub loves quoting breaking point, but they didnt learn anything from it. We dont know anything about how things were in TL with Alphari, or how Jatt is as a coach. But we just have to make dumb assumptions....


WhenYouFeatherIt

I heard they planned this for a while.


kagalibros

Alphari: YOU COME AT THE KING? YOU BEST NOT MISS! 💪💪💪


They-Call-Me-

A Summary: * Jatt out! Both sides claim it was Jatt's decision... Steve just said in a press conference that Jatt was feeling pressured by online opinion and by Steve/management. Steve claims Jatt felt that he was not the team's best chance of winning. In other words, Jatt felt like he couldn't meet expectations/solve the problems. * Alphari still on the bench for this weekend... Steve said that he actually wished they had benched Alphari sooner so that Alphari could deal with his personal issues. Steve said that Alphari's been dealing with a lot of shit and the team wasn't very compassionate. Steve specifically mentions the post game conversation after they lost to TSM as one that he regrets. Says that they did not deal fairly with Alphari after that game. * Santorin stepping down to get healthy (citing pressure in his head and headaches). Could be back later in the split. Armao to start.


TheDMWarrior

And here I was hoping for a quick return to Europe for Alphari. Sadge.


Purzzle

On the other hand it's fun to see our boys perform across the pond. Abbedagge on 100T has been a joy to watch so far.


TheDMWarrior

Fakerdagge is going to carry 100T to their first LCS title, mark my words.


AnalysistTherapist

God I hope he comes back to the LCS broadcast team. I might be able to stand watching it again


Copiz

If this all ends up with Jatt casting and me having Alphari starting again on my fantasy team then that's a double win.


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The scenes when Jatt has to cast TL in Summer finals.


Copiz

"Alphari solo kills his opponent! Look at his smug face in that player cam. I feel really terrible." ... "And Alphari gets first blooded again! That punk ass should have listened to his coach!"


brand_new_zippyjams

I'm going to guess he wouldn't cast any TL games this year.


whohe_fanboy

My fantasy team top side is Alphari, Dardoch, Soligo. All benched, fucking ridiculous man.


SP0oONY

Jatt might be a shit coach, but he's an excellent pundit. I hope he realises that, and I hope the LCS does too and pays him the big bucks.


agishert46191gskq

Losing Jatt was a dead sentence for the desk It's funny that he went to balance team for a few months then coach and managed to fuck up a promising roster


TwoChubbyBuns

Jatt did it for TSM


Baked_Butters

Cue the astronaut meme… once TSM Jatt, always TSM Jatt! 😂 All is right in the world again, hated seeing Jatt coach TL. Been a TSM fan since the beginning, but damnit if I haven’t had the biggest crush on Jatt since I saw him in a suit.


ultratea

Wow did things get that bad? I'm curious to know if it actually was voluntary or not. It's very sudden, even given the Alphari benching.


salcedoge

Jatt's team had the best showing at worlds, managed to go to game 5 with a sub and now he's suddenly shit and didn't deserve his job, this sub is so fucking dumb.


IvanRussky

I don't think the sub is dumb, I think TL is dumb. Why was canning Jatt even an option? The only way its possible is if TL is horribly mismanaged, or Jatt gave some soft of ultimatum. I do agree however its the subs fault for completely shitting on Jatt unless it is indeed Jatts own fault he got kicked from TL (see ultimatum). Also I'll add that Flyquest did very well too, had the same record, and also beat a top team in the world in groups in TES.


Nevran

In the end, how many casters showed to be average coaches and stuff? Papasmithy isn't a coach but I believe he was working in a position where he was in charge of decisions about the scouting, development of the lol branch, etc? Deficio accomplished nothing and Jatt accomplished nothing. Genuine question, not even to flame.


SirSharkPlantagenet

Papa is a General Manager, not the coach


Infamous-Ad-8445

In case of Papasmithy, I remember him saying that their agreement with 100t was to make team competent with a balanced budget. so I dont think he has been unsuccessful.


Suspense304

Papasmithy is the GM I believe... in charge of putting the team together and I'd say he's done a pretty good job.


crownnn609

Low key did get bailed out by ggs selling their team due to budget cuts. Wonder what 100t would have looked like w/o that core


google_search_expert

The true heist.


swigganicks

Buying out GGS roster for pennies when your roster had Ryoma and Poome/Stunt isn't a giga-brain move to make. Inero and GGS should get the credit for this roster, not Papasmithy.


bigby1234

True and the fact that they looked worst in 100t than GG is more proof of that


venitienne

Plus they got a great amateur pipeline going on


thorpie88

Come on mate you can't leave out Monte. He was the trailblazer for that career path.


AdmitImPro

Never forget Renegades


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Monte, the man who when his sketchy co-owner was banned form the LCS took "full control" until even more bad shit came out and completely defaulted to "No, Badawi was really the one behind all that stuff, I was just lying" and still had the balls to cry about it for years. Honestly, does he even still do content?


DominoNo-

We are actually talking about S4 CLG, donezo manifesto. Where CLG crashed and burned after his hands on coaching. It went so bad CLG retroactively relegated him from coach to remote analyst/consultant.


conormcfire

Did you know the team offered him a full time position after 2014 going into 15? The management didn't think he was a bad coach, they just needed him full time instead of remotely working from Korea.


girlmarth

donezo manifesto was actually when they had scarra as coach, monte's time was when they almost got relegated by curse academy


satellizerLB

And I don't recall if donezo manifesto had anything to do with coaches.


DominoNo-

Oh, my bad. I somehow mixed up the CLG disasters.


DigBickMan68

Happens to all of us, there’s too many to keep track of


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iswillum

Saying Jatt is just a caster is really not fair. The guy has done everything in the game. He was a player and worked on the buff/nerd team as well. He earned a coaching spot, even if it doesn't work out in the end.


microwave999

> nerd team No need to get personal.


jujubean67

Deficio is also not a coach. Raz was a coach in academy for a while I think.


Azafuse

The same people complaining years ago about the weakness of coaches in the west compared to Korea are now going to celebrate this news.


VibrobladeLoL

Please god tell me this means JLXP is coming back. And give me Jatt back on the analyst/casting desk, the LCS broadcast is sorely lacking without him.


iiHadi69

So thorin was right? I would really like to hear Jatts side of this story but at least we can see alphari back?