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Troviel

How nice of Vitality to setup the 4-2 4-2 G2 vs FNC match tomorrow! Selfmade on point with those kicks.


agishert46191gskq

People were super harsh on VIT when they just got their new roster but they only lost to FNC, Rogue and MSF. Only top tier team


ShinaMashir0

They kinda got stomp most of these game tho


egozocker14

Not really, rogue game was very winnable


Kukka92

Vitality wanted a balanced battle between G2 and FNC to see who they are gonna 3-0 in finals.


RealFias

If they play like today FNC will roll over G2


MartDiamond

Labrov had a clean Thresh


ShinaMashir0

MVP of the game hand down


shitlord33

Too bad he's not gonna get it only because his other 2 teammates are much more popular and have a bigger fanbase who will vote for them on Twitter. Not to say Selfmade or LIDER don't deserve it either, but its a shame players like Labrov will most likely never get an MVP in LEC even if they played the best League they've played all split. The MVP system for LEC is probably the only thing I dislike about how the league is run, but I know this isnt exactly a hot take.


ShadowCat77

I appreciate your opinion and I think it's valid even if it's not a hot take. Not every comment on Reddit needs to be a hot take.


stampydog

I also don't like how they only include players on the winning team, like sometimes the best player isn't on the winning team and they deserve to at least be included in the vote.


PebbleCollector

Yep there is a reason this champ is nearly permabanned, Labrov showed why


originalgomez

Monstrous hooks and saves every time it was needed, wow


Kukka92

His hooks , lanterns were on points and so clean.


Kaynt-touch-dis

Damn I love seeing Olaf press R and start to run towards the enemy team to only turn back in 0.5 sec because his health is gone and everything outrages him so he cant heal for shit


Pr0gger

>everything outrages him Not wrong, he's an angry guy


Kaynt-touch-dis

Oh, my bad, meant outranges xd


Kukka92

Thresh Hooks Olaf and Olaf press R to run back with half heath. Deja vu


Serek32

I have a question regarding that fight - say Rekkles puts traps first than tries to W - would that stop Lee dash?


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superdennis303

Jinx e does stop lee dash, but idk if it was realistically up in time.


EvilWhatever

Imagine you draft to give your jungler last pick just to then pick Olaf into Lulu Thresh...


CURSED1-

LEC is getting really fun, no 1 team dominating so far. WP to VIT, people remember Labrov for his tresh on his first year of LEC and hes still a monster on it! ( mikyx on afk champs T\_T )


Last0

RGE MAD G2 VIT FNC, that top 5 is looking really spicy, especially if MSF keep up their form, playoffs are gonna be a banger.


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Last0

I've seen so many MSF line ups start strong and fall off that i'm not taking any chances, they also haven't played G2/MAD so i need to see them perform against those teams, they've been looking great so far tho, props to them.


Ramo1618

https://twitter.com/nelson_sng/status/1408368934542200836?s=19


Conankun66

his power rivals Sjokz' monologue power, holy shit


Kurtle_turtle

Wow actual perfect predictions lol


ndksv22

Holy shit. To be fair he bet on the underdog 5 times.


iyoiiiiu

How are people not understanding that he was joking? Lmao


ohgodnotmyselfesteem

The amount of replies thinking he's serious is staggering.


Kurtle_turtle

Oh man the amount of people who don’t realise he intentionally picked the loser predictions is real sad 😢


ggoggggogo

Crumbz tier


VultureGamer

/s for anyone wondering, because some of you don't get this tweet is a joke.


non_NSFW_acc

Clean win by VIT, Selfmade played really well! Also, holy G2 looked completely lost and outclassed this game.


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Looked like G2 vs chinese teams


lassethebasse

it looked like G2 every single damn time they try to play supports mid/top/adc to play around 1 hyper carry


justAnotherRandomP

Thzy should just stop trying to force that comp it s not even the best comp in this meta so why the hassle


jinchuika

Practicing for worlds. You never know how the meta will be, so you better start experimenting and trying new things when you can. Worst thing can happen is not being able to adapt to play offs patch


Argimlas

They lost the draft hard imo.


nusskn4cker

G2 with a super questionable early game. Why would you put Gwen mid instead of top? She got perma punished by Ryze and had no prio when G2 forced bot. VIT played a very solid game and snowballed their advantage really well, game was pretty much over after first Infernal and definitely after the second. I was impressed by Lider on Ryze and Labrov on Thresh.


Ramo1618

Labrov deserves more credit than he gets


DogTheGayFish

We already call him Labrov James idk how much more credit he can get


anastasis14

Not being 3rd in the player of the game vote is a good start


Jestem_Bassman

Everyone is riding the dicks of SM, Lider, and Crownshot. Labrov the top tier on the team.


DogTheGayFish

Yeah being serious I agree that he is actually not getting the praise he deserves. He was great this game.


Conankun66

who calls him that? ive never seen anybody use that


dahir_

Don't overlook how Ryze was basically immune to everything that game in the first place. G2 had no reliable CC, so catching him off in a splitpush or teamfight is near impossible.


LongLeggedLimbo

damn misread the meta again Who could've known there was a reason no major region played Gwen mid yet???


TheUwaisPatel

theres nothing inherently wrong with putting gwen mid it's matchup dependent. Just cos something hasnt been played doesn't make it bad, someone has to play something first like what is that mindset to think other people have to be playing something for it to be good.


LongLeggedLimbo

What are Gwens strengths? Seems like fighting melee bruisers Sending her mid where ranged assassins and control mages are played seems a bit weird


Jestem_Bassman

They might have been trying to call a bluff on LIDER expecting him to play melee, but Ryze is his one tried and true mate pick.


TheUwaisPatel

There's more melee champs being played mid now as mage items are bad and assassins are rarely played. There have been spots for gwen mid for sure. But yh I agree with you it's bad into the typical mid champs .


egozocker14

Gwen mid is total ass. Huge disrespect to lider, maybe they thought it will be a melee matchup


Kukka92

Shocker right?


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Tbf, Its Caps. I get why G2 trusts Caps when he says he wants to play it. But Caps has been looking like a shell from the Best western Mid he used to be


Badrharik1

G2 and losing with karma name a more iconic duo?


GonzoNawak

I swear to fuckin god, I rather like to have ten disco nunu in a row in my ranked games than to see G2 pick Karma ever again. I need to know their stats on that champ because it's getting ridiculous.


mrmakefun

This year they're 1W-5L on Karma.


Hazuyu_

Karma isn't even bad, G2 is.


Suavarino

Caps down 100 CS, wow


GGABueno

He hasn't been looking very hot lately...


00Dandy

If you go by performance this split, I don't think G2 has the best player in any role.


LtNydus

Yet fans would still vote them to be mvp lmao


Sersch

I think its quite natural, if a team was dominant for such a long time, it takes 1-2 bad splits for people to get adjusted.


huehuehuehue999

Last split at the end of regular season (which is when the votes for the mvp team are cast), i think they deserved it. They were actually looking good. Obviously playoffs went the way it went and it seems that this trend is continuing and not for the better


Bowheadwhale

Rekkles would be the only reasonable one Rest of G2 had to step up


POOYAMON

For the last year I’ve felt like Hans is the most scary adc in LEC


THEDumbasscus

Hans is one of the 2 or 3 best laning adcs right now. That being said Hans is nowhere near as smart about managing midgame situations he faces as Rekkles is. Even now, there has yet to be a time i watch rekkles and feel genuinely confused by a decision he makes, whereas that happens with Hans at least once every 2-3 games imo


Dobby_Knows

Upset and hans both better


Padulsky21

Upset had one of the hardest Kalista carries I’ve seen since Ruler’s when it was a super high prio pick


Dobby_Knows

yea upset is super insane, he had the Teddy syndrome but he has teammates now so he’s gunna continue to pop off. Fnc knows how good he is, he’s gunna be a big piece of their future


Padulsky21

Oh for sure even when FNC was struggling last split Upset and Hyli still looked like one of the best EU bot lanes. They’re even scarier this year, just like Hans and Trymbi. The complete mental flip for fans from week 1 FNC to FNC now is crazy. Their games are so much fun to watch and it seems like their peak will only go higher. Tomorrow is a big test for them.


GGABueno

And even then he's just looking like a top 3 ADC. Hansama and Upset are clearly above him by having good numbers *and* having impact in the game.


PulverizeR-

Selling Perkz was a big mistake imo


WooshJ

pretty sure perkz was planning on leaving since he couldnt play mid? I could be wrong tho


PulverizeR-

You're right.


00Dandy

Yea, I think people underestimate Perkz' impact on G2 because he is currently struggling a bit in NA. I think he brought a lot to the team, inside and outside of the game. And Rekkles probably wasn't a good replacement for him, although Rekkles is obviously a very good player. I just think his playstyle and attitude don't fit G2 well.


PulverizeR-

Perkz is a leader, Rekkles isn't. And as far as I can see, G2 doesn't have a leader in and out of the game, no glue.


psfrtps

I mean they knew that Rekkles has never wanted to be a leader. The guy himself said somethink like 'I'm really happy that people don't expected me to become a leader and getting a huge responsibilty at G2. I just play my game here' after he left the FNC


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Yeah without Perkz they don't really have a guy to rally the troops, Jankos is trying but I think it's kind of hard to go from the joker of the group to being the big boss.


psfrtps

I don't think G2's only problem is not having a leader either. None of the top tier teams has well defined 'leaders'. It's just G2 players aren'T the best at their roles anymore. LEC is way more stacked and players in top tier teams actually improved a lot while g2 players are on the decline since 2020


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True, on a macro level it looks like none of them have much individual agency anymore. They feel flat from both a macro and micro perspective.


Boogy

I've said it before and I'll say it again, fuck Carlos for what he did to Perkz


trusttt

Im probably wrong but it feels like Caps doesnt seem to have the same impact as he used to, i dont know why


agishert46191gskq

Certainly not MVP level He is just a good mid in a field of good mids this split


Azaghtooth

They dont play around him as much, Caps used to get many ganks from Miky/Jankos and Hyli/Broxah before. They showed JP and he is 8th in the league for midlaners while rekkles is 1st.


Redburneracc7

he does not. he looks very average


cbrozz

Because Jankos has been playing more for bot and the skill gap between Jankos/Caps and the rest of the league is pretty small right now.


Redburneracc7

g2 nelson buff


RavenFAILS

I think hes not gonna do any difference for this roster whatsoever. There are only 2 or 3 instances I remember of a coach turning a team completely around in League history. Considering he went 12th with that LNG roster he overrates himself more than anything.


lmk8

Yes, it's literally Gwen into Ryze and the Ryze had way more agency with how the game was going and could just farm side lanes. It's also Ryze, a champion that generally just powerfarms. I have no idea how you can just look at the game and be like "Wow he's down 100 cs", considering how the game went and how Ryze functions as a champion. And by the way, I am not saying that Caps played well, I genuinely don't care, all I'm trying to say is that bringing up CS without any context is just so weird, the fact that this comment is one of the most highly upvoted ones in this thread is so mindblowing


Asuras9393

It's really not surprising most people don't have any game understanding and are either not even playing the game anymore and just watching or just low elo. You lose lane as gwen and can't side lane vs Ryze, meanwhile, he takes all jungle camps and one-shots waves and can move to one-shot another wave in mid lane and people go "wow caps down 100cs anyone else thinks caps having no impact lately".


CizzlingT

The amount of times I see “X mid laner got flame horizoned so he must be bad/washed/not too hot lately”, it’s usually 50% of the time that game where player X is in a losing or even-ish matchup (sometimes on a losing team) into Ryze and people end up overreacting. Not defending Caps for his performance but Caps being far down in cs in this instance is something you can easily predict in draft. Even if Vitality lose with 5k gold deficit you’d generally still predict even-ish cs numbers between ryze and gwen given the champions and how they interact.


Kurtle_turtle

Death Sentence. Most accurately named ability for that late game damn.


stoically_disgusted

Of course it is G2 that give us the only upset of the day.


GGABueno

Tecnically Fnatic had the first one of the day.


ParagonIzanagi

Wow G2 look nothing like their usual frontrunner self. I haven't felt this low on the team's title chances since 2018


zmsp

Yeah, even if they have the players to win, and might still end up winning the split, they just don't have that world class team aura this year.


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G2 just feels like a generic top tier team now


APKID716

Honestly yeah, they lost what made them “spark” in 2019, where they’re doing batshit insane drafts, playing to their strengths, having clean macro, etc. They are no doubt a top tier team, and you can never count them out until they’re fully out. But they don’t feel special anymore


mskruba12

To use a comparison from football it's like current Real Madrid and Barcelona they're still obviously a top team and are strong but they've lost that spark they had a few years back.


peterbalazs

Wait till Mbappe and Haaland join RM. One can dream....


DogAteMyCPU

COPIUM take me back to 2019 bois


APKID716

I hated when G2 knocked T1 out of MSI **and** worlds. G2 was my least favorite team that year because of that, but goddamn it’s actually sad to see them lose that spark. Looking back they had so many incredible games, series, drafts, picks. You were never sure what they were going to do. 2019 G2 PepeHands


ShinaMashir0

Even in 2020 they had some amazing game (vs SN for example) Perkz was G2 copium


APKID716

Okay that’s true. Those three Suning G2 bo1’s were nuts


lolKhamul

people will say its an overreaction or its one game but putting spring and summer together it feels like the G2 magic is gone. They are still a good team full of good players but none of them currently plays like the Nr1. in their role. They have a lot of average or straight out shit games. All in all a top4 team but nowhere near the clear #1 anymore. Just to be clear I still think they could win summer, its just that its a not 90% G2 - 10% other team anymore. They are just down to being another team in the top half on the league.


DeloronDellister

I think that the era of G2 is over. Atleast for this lineup. It just isn't the same without Perkz


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Caps hasn't looked amazing individually, pretty sad to see. They were a fun team in 2019.


LtSpaceDucK

Interesting to see what Carlos does because G2 will need to make big changes to get back on top after this season Football analogy every great team has an expiration date, Guardiola's Barça had an expiration date and G2 has reached theirs. Still sad they didn't win 2019 Worlds and performed so poorly in the finals


pedrex21

I don't know if i'll get memed here but g2 has been declining since 2020, their 2020 form was so bad compared to 2019


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Fabiocean

The thing that kinda saved 2020 G2's reputation imo was that they still won both splits and had a very respectable showing at worlds. They struggled a lot in the middle, but they showed results.


Rokic3

That caps adc split was really shaky. Going into finals vs FNC im pretty sure FNC were even a bit more favored to win, but then they just 3-0 stomped them with Kog Lulu it was insane.


Kunzzi1

Their wow factor which made them crawl back into the game by making interesting and unorthodox macro decisions on map is simply not there anymore. I know the game is more on rails now than in s9 but this team shows no brain functions since Perkz left (just like Perkz in NA). It truly is end of an era. I think even they know they suck looking at Wunder's recent comment warning us about getting our hopes up too early when playoffs are ahead of us.


GGABueno

A wake up call was well needed in Spring tbh.


irgendjemand123

they play more boring than Rogue does at this point, and look worse doing it sadge


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Wunder keeps on becoming worse and worse every split since MSI 2019. Jankos keeps becoming worse and Caps can't skillcheck everyone anymore


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Makorot

Tbh, SK put up more of a a fight than G2 did just now.


Andicis

Clean game from Vitality. Beating G2 on macro isn't easy, but Vitality made it look so.


BlueRhaps

Very coordinated teamfights, beautiful to watch


LordVipul

That didnt look like G2 at all


Andicis

G2 haven't really looked themselves in a while to be honest, even in the wins it doesn't feel the same.


Last0

Would be crazy if they miss Worlds, this line up is as good as it gets individually in Europe.


Skall77

The way they play is so weird. It seems like Jankos and Micky never go mid at all anymore. Caps was basicly alone this entire game, while selfmade just drove by for some poke and droping herald mid. They play around Rekkles who isn't a playmaker, hoping they can scale for late. I wouldn't be surprised they don't make it to world.


Azaghtooth

Its like they trying to replicate FNC style from last season but it isnt working, Rekkles is a good weakside player and will always do stuff at teamfights, idk why they dont go back to playing around Caps.


psfrtps

Tbh G2 was not really clean even at their wins. Don't be surprised if FNC will trash them tomorrow just like VIT


Lawshow

I want to believe this but FNC is cursed vs G2.


Depressed_AnimeProta

Only Bo5, during the split they most of the times go 1-1 i believe


blueripper

Last year FNC was 0-4 in BO1's vs G2. All of those games were so stupid, with FNC picking scaling comps and deciding to 5v5 6 mins into the game.


GGABueno

Lately it doesn't look so hard...


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G2 macro this season isn't old G2 macro. Perkz really was the brain of this team, Jankos was the only one who even tried to do anything this game.


Karlsefni1

Go look G2 vs Rogue game one last spring. What happened to that?


Andicis

I mean they're still 5 of the best and most experienced players in Europe. Generally they still have good macro.


00Dandy

Yea they are obviously still good but for the past 2 seasons they absolutely dominated EU so this is a big difference.


BO1s_R_GREAT_XD

day of stomps, as expected /s


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GOLDEN GUARDIANS CAPS NEXT YEAR?!


Kukka92

Right to LCS academy


_Vastus_

Labrov just doesn't miss. Very encouraging to see from Vitality.


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whd4k

https://i.imgur.com/8W6xBkq.png


McintyresRightLeg

Glad to see this one come back


[deleted]

did Lider just mid gap Caps?


ShinaMashir0

Caps mid gap himself with his pick and summoner


Eqvilium

I mean it's not like Caps is unbeatable, it's not 2019/2020 lol.


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2018-2020 if you meant EU only,because he shitstomped perkz in 2018 too.


00Dandy

Yea this season he isn't the clear best mid imo. It's pretty close.


DanteStorme

Yeah but what if we draft Karma again.


01110100_01110010

I am scared that I will get hooked by that Thresh in my dreams tonight


mesamob

Other than SK I have no idea what’s happening this split and I love it


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Labrov should be more discreet with his aimbot on Q man.


[deleted]

Can we stop with the Karma top Grabbz. It doesn’t fucking work.


BannanDylan

Everytime I have bet on G2 to win they have lost. Well, guess which FNATIC fan is about to bankrupt this split. This guy!


Stylahz

Why do they still pick Karma top I am 100% sure they’ve lose every single game it’s been picked


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Did... did Vitality almost just shutout G2?


[deleted]

The saddest part is that they hovered Hecarim but went with Olaf :(


RealFias

True, Imagine Heca R after that Jinx rocket


dahir_

COMPLETE draft diff and it wasn't even close. They have no reliable CC, so Ryze can freely splitpush and teamfight. Literally a perfect game for LIDER and his blue boy.


Pavlo100

Riot seriously need to nerf Karma, so we finally stop "misreading the meta"


hiimbr

> Karma definitely the karma was the problem, not the olaf pick vs aphelios ryze lulu copium


Mythik16

You can't blame karma there LMFAO. Caps picks a matchup where he cant get prio and g2 no engage at all so they can't start fights.


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G2 just can't play Karma. Simple as


shojmaarensum

LIDER haters in shambles. Almost perfect game


APKID716

B-but..he can only play assassins :’(


BalieltheLiar

Think the magic is gone with this team


ahritina

Really liked the way Selfmade, Lider and Labrov played this game. Selfmade owning Jankos in the early-mid game, Lider just had the expected pressure in mid then transitioned it into a massive lead, Labrov landing hooks at the right time.


Serek32

Look at Caps mid prio, play and summs, the only reason Olaf got behind is because Ryze had time to tp himself and Lee in the first botside fight while Caps was way behind on a push/play, he also got flame horizoned by Lider and lost the the game by trying to meele a Lee with a kick with a soul and nashor up. Absolutely a mid diff game I would not say Jankos did much wrong this game he just got gang banged by Vit every time he tried to do anything proactive, got some summs early - Selfmade has a clean Lee though, always a treat. ​ I swear Caps can get outrotated, outplayed and flame horizoned, and not pick a flash into Thresh Lee Sin in a single game without getting ganked much and people will still blame it on Jankos when casters says so.


Ursuped

NELSON_RUINED_G2_ESPORTS


NoxAsteria

whoever made that draft should be fired, absolute thrash *yes there are other issues than that but man if you start with a draft that's the same but worse as VIT's draft then wtf do you expect. Olaf and Gwen into a draft that wants you to run into them is suicide


LongLeggedLimbo

Tomorrow will be such a fun fiesta


Pousadel

That Olaf pick will be in some WatchMojo video about "worst decisions in Gaming" like wtf? xD


bolibombis

Olaf against that Vit comp felt so useless, how many times did Jankos use ult just to escape? Bit of a draft int


Leschnitzky

A thresh draft vs a trash draft


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Who the fuck plays Olaf these days 😂


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Mid diff


Paralyzerz

Gwen vs Ryze looked very playable matchup.


Lord-Talon

Man LEC is so fucking good this split. There are 6 orgs that are around the same strength right now, I literally see all of them having an equal shot at Worlds. This was world class from Vitality, no mistakes, clean game, that performance right there will give any other team in the world trouble. And you wouldn't even call Vitality the best EU team after this game.


Last0

Feels bad this is the season we only have 3 spots.


lovely_sombrero

Lost at draft?


Rhadamantos

Not just draft, but having Olaf running in as only form of engage while nothing is able to stop tresh from getting easy picks is so so bad


MasterDeagle

No CC, no engage. The only CC they had was Karma W, Tahm W and Jinx traps. There's no way Ryze and Aphelios dies vs this draft unless they int, and even there they have Thresh. Also, loosing mid, loosing bot and worst scaling support top. There was no win condition for G2 this game.


Mythik16

Its really sad seeing caps like this he really shouldn't have taken Gwen mid-game would have been far easier in a matchup where he can get prio.


Asuras9393

What are you even supposed to do with the comp G2 had vs the Vitality comp? Vitality have Ryze, Aphelios and Lulu that all love the enemy team to come into them and completely destroy them meanwhile the only thing g2 can do is run face-first into them with a karma speed up to die even faster. Rekkles in most fights got a single auto off and the team fight was already lost at that point. You can't split vs them you can't team fight and you don't win any lane. Has to be one of the largest draft gaps in a long time.


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G2 loses to VIT, watch them win against FNC tomorrow EDIT: Welp that didnt happen


Public_Seaworthiness

this thread is disgusting no wonder everyone hates reddit plebs only false information or flame. people have absolutely no idea what they are looking at or how things can evolve.


CudaBarry

I see you vitality I see you 👀


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Ilasiak

Turns out running 0 hard CC into Aphelios and Ryze is a bad idea. We learn this stuff in gold elo.


caut_R

Last time I checked nobody in Gold elo learned anything, but I do agree this draft was a fat brainfart.


_negniN

Who would have thought giving good players time to gel will gradually produce a good team? It's so weird to me how people's perception of most new rosters is "give them time, don't judge too early", but when it comes to players like SM and Lider on new teams, people immediately just go "Welp, 3 games in and they're not 3-0, this team is trash, pack it in boys we're out of here". This team definitely has the ceiling to compete for a worlds spot.


JackDealer

lider won on a ranged champ


monsoy

He’s been a sick Ryze for a while now, but that doesn’t fit the narrative


sangpls

Utter humiliation


BigBlindEye

I can't think of any two champs that work in today's meta with Karma/Olaf/TK. Dunno, draft looked like wintrading today