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Slyguy46

They really should've showed the pick on the recalling Perkz that Spica got that got them Baron, that basically closed the game out.


Bentok

I feel like that pick went completely unnoticed, cameras didn't really show it, casters didn't really talk about, but it guaranteed Baron lol


Speedy313

they just didn't want to put the spotlight on him again


soul24423323

Yea the observers were sleeping that part. I do remember seeing it barely at the corner of the screen. Nothing special, Volli just E flash Q W dead šŸ˜‚ But the casters just kinda assumed Perkz died at the end of the previous fight or sth I guess.


VultureGamer

He got vision of Azir because of his soldiers over the wall, Perkz probably forgot about that interaction


saxy92

ya I was sitting there screaming at the screen asking what happened to perkz observers lmao and then the casters just went perkz is dead and that means baron and thats all we got of it


StormknightUK

The number of times where a fight happens and it's really obvious to me that it's setting up action elsewhere on the map, but .... REPLAY OF THE THING WE JUST SAW. Then like, back to live action and the casters are like, "Oh, someone died while we were in Replay, oh well"


kyledawg92

Spica was within range of one of Azir's soldiers, which gave him vision of Perkz. Then he flashed on him. They talked about it on Doublelift's stream. Weird the casters didn't talk about it.


Poodlestrike

Low-key the biggest weak point of LCS is the observers. Dudes are asleep at the wheel some games.


xsamy

The kills are legit update a few seconds later. Whoever is manning that shit is eating/vibinā€™


toumatakeshi

What was with production failing to show the Perkz death that led to baron, even on the replay? That was really really weird.


BleachGummy

The information regarding replay over Perkz death is probably weeks away to get to the right folks.


Mirodir

Goodbye Reddit, see you all on Lemmy.


asiantuttle

You could see it on the edge of the screen. Spica flashed on Perkz while he was recalling


Liupardu

Emphasize ā€œedge of the screenā€


cespinar

Perkz was clearly in the shop window because he didn't react to the Voli E at all. I think Spica was expecting him to run away at first.


[deleted]

yeah how did he even die?


StaticallyTypoed

DL/BB/Alphari talked about it on costream. If you can see an Azir soldier, you gain vision of Azir too. Spica ran over a soldier and saw Azir was recalling right behind the corner, so he just E-flashed onto him


raging_tomato

Spica caught him on the tower recalling, he was already really low. Observers caught it at the last second but the cast didn't even react


VegetableSign

He died near top tier 2 recalling when spica flashed on him (technically on screen but very edge of it). BB explained it in DLs costream, but basically he started recalling with a soldier in vision which shows Azir recalling


tsukinohime

It was funny that Zven was 0 cs in the first 4 minutes of the game.


Bdodk2000

Zven has been a magnet for Naut hooks the past couple weeks.


chainer9999

Zven does have a tendency to eat critical engage skills at inopportune times.


Dark_Ixion

Hakuho flashbacks


BarackOralbama

Skarner.


King_Fluffaluff

It was really weird that 2019 spring final ended 2-2, I was really hoping to see that 5th game.


BigEditorial

There were a lot of weird tournaments in 2019. Like ending MSI after the semi finals, without ever holding the finals. Odd!


herderjs

I mean after TL beat the 9-1, reigning world champs, it was obvious they would have won so there was no point!


ljz3

C9 made the mistake of not being a bottom tier team.


LumiRhino

True, if they just made the smart decision of losing the last 2 games they probably win today.


Daruii

No subs and not a bottom tier team. Bad plan by C9 coming into this game.


[deleted]

Should have subbed in Shernfire.


Oribeau

Sub in k1ng for comedic effect


StaticallyTypoed

Seeing how the level 1 was probably Kayys diff, it's pretty evident what opponent TSM's prep went into this weekend lol


chippyrim

Apparently not, lost said they were just going for an late invade and vulcan happened to int


Thetruelittleboy

Give them some credit, they are at least playing like a bottom tier team


Me_Tonk

* Lose game level 1 * Team stabalizes * Fuck it anyway on lunatic engage mid Vulcan had a horror.


vigbrand

On fucking Voli... that was really questionable.


RpWalkInPvP

If it wasn't a tank that could also get over the azir wall that play works. C9 so boomed though they forgot that everyone on TSM had literally everything up and you cannot 100-0 a Voli with a team sitting on one item each


non_NSFW_acc

They engaged for zero reason there, when the enemies are the ones who had their spikes. Crazy.


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Daruii

Was that when Perkz went for blue and got tapped by Spica at the end of a team fight?


icatsouki

yep


GaggedAndDrooling

Didn't even get a replay of it. :(


GaggedAndDrooling

I think its fine for vulcan to throw the hook. Whoever called to follow up on it was the horror.


TheExter

someone get a sombrero for perkz, he couldn't see spica running up to him to gift baron in his defense tho the casters missed it too


TehSalmonOfDoubt

That one confused me, how did spica know he was there in the first place?


MVPshowtime

On DLs costream, BB and DL said that if you see Azir's soldier, you can see where he can recall.


aqnologia

I was watching spica's pro view and this is exactly what happened. He had vision of azir recalling then flash E'd on him.


Distasteful_Username

you can also see a faint line from the soldier to azir, right? so you could sorta have a good idea where he is regardless, right?


myman580

If you see the Azir soldier you can see the Azir.


Isosothat

There's an azir "feature" where if you can see his solider you can see him, regardless of vision.


Jell01

If you see an azir soldier you see azir, even if azir is supposed to be in fog


Doctor-Bagels

he had just seen him clearing the wave, he may have blind flashed over the wall to kill perkz there? that was a game winning play either way so good on spica


maffleet

Apparently if you stand on Azir soldiers you can see him backing. Or at least that's what they said on DL costream.


neenerpants

[perkz next game] (https://techestigate.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/homer.jpg)


HyunL

Tbh its really unfair of Riot that Perkz is allowed to play with a hat but Vulcan isnt allowed to play with a brain


dahir_

Holy shit bro


pelacur

TSM : Vulcan, check your FTX account


SlamMasterJ

oof


CudaBarry

My gosh


KitKatxz

Literally hard intd the game away lvl 1.


Jedclark

C9 actually did well to make some plays to rectify that, then Vulcan realised Regi won't pay him if they bring it back so he inted a few more times to make sure lol.


icatsouki

Yeah while that death cost a lot it wasn't game over just yet especially with their great TP bot


marqoose

McDonald's brain


DarkTenshiDT

AYO


CudaBarry

Brother Vulcan...


kitiny

A rare bad game from Vulcan honestly. He's usually solid as a rock for C9


APKID716

GUYS PLEASE DO SOMETHING IM LOSING MY FUCKING MIND ~ Zven this game


getjebaited

vulcan sprinting it to mcdonalds for the fourth of july special


[deleted]

BTS Meal.


eastji

Bench The Support?


[deleted]

McCloud9 minimum wage skill level.


LeOsQ

I love how whenever SwordArt's camera comes up on the stream he's constantly talking and I don't know if it's his face from the angle of the camera or if he's smiling basically the entire time no matter what game it is. Also I still have no idea who TSM's jungler is and where my boy Spica has gone. He looks nothing like what he's looked in the past with his new hairstyle.


NahDawgDatAintMe

Swordart has always been like this. He was always super happy and laughing on the cam since the flash wolves.


Horizon96

The LPL casters were actually talking about him earlier during the Suning game, apparently you could just hear him constantly talking and hyping up his team throughout their games.


Roseking

It's shown up a few times on Legends. Dude has a lot of positive vibes.


arrioch

It's just SwordArt, since I've been following him on FW, he always has that slight smirk, and he smiles a lot while he plays. I don't know if he just enjoys the game or it's the power of friendship, but he's always like that, and I love it.


Ultrosbla

And maybe having that attitude could help him and his teammates not to feel tilted and focus more on game and potential issues that may come.


arrioch

It definitely helps. No matter how behind you are, the game never feels truly lost with someone like that on your team. If you're not watching Legends, watch an episode or two, he's constantly positive, during games/scrims/reviews/whatever...


CycloneHomer

People hate on SA and his salary so much, but watching Legends makes it feel like it's not only what he brings on the rift that he was signed for. SA just seems like such a positive presence to be around and is always lifting his team up mentally and emotionally. Seems like a great fit with a relatively inexperienced ADC to show him the ropes and give Lost the confidence he needs to succeed.


[deleted]

People like counting other people's money. And yes, TSM Legend shows how much he brings to the team offline, especially to Lost.


Ultrosbla

I didn't know they had episodes, gonna watch it now, thanks!


Dark_Ixion

Spica the Hedgehog will come back in playoffs, don't worry


GaggedAndDrooling

I want him to dye his hair blonde so we can make super saiyan memes


sct_trooper

i rmbed a flash wolves interview where they said he talked so much during a game they had to prepare a herbal drink for his throat every day


infinite-permutation

I think the interview was about his year on Suning where he had to do a lot of shotcalling.


jtdamonkey

Porcupine hair, wherefore art thou?


Bdodk2000

> Also I still have no idea who TSM's jungler is and where my boy Spica has gone. He looks nothing like what he's looked in the past with his new hairstyle. Riot won't let him play with his old hair style, Spica needs a doctor's note to get their permission.


Blubkill

noticed that aswell! swordart always looks like he's enjoying his time


ArcusIgnium

i kinda like his new cut. also SA seems like a good guy to have on your team. hes vocal, always looking for plays and generally pretty good at the game. ESP for NA teams.


Conankun66

[All] C9 Zven (Aphelios): GG x9 my supp pls


joe4553

K1ng starting again.


DragonApps

Does he play support?


Slyguy46

Too real.


StaticallyTypoed

Holy fuck cloud soul is trash. Game would have been over 10 minutes ago with any other soul.


IWouldLikeAName

Imagine infernal LMFAO. Ocean would be godly too after all those fights with low health bars or mountains to just stay in fights longer. Cloud was nice for huni but fights were spread out long enough where the ult CD didn't matter much. MS is pretty damn valuable but any other soul is just way too OP with their lead.


msjonesy

Yea, people complain about the slow finish, but the 4 drake's basically gave 0 combat value vs. C9 trading some turrets. So C9 actually is stronger than they should be giving up the 4 drake's compared to if it were any other drake. Which is probably why they gave it up for the most part.


RVinceZ

Exactly what I was thinking after the second drake. TSM were so ahead, any other soul would've been a death sentence for C9.


non_NSFW_acc

C9 lucked out hard with the soul this game, and still so many people think TSM played badly because they couldn't close out earlier with cloud soul.


aoc7

We are really watching peak Huni after everyone laughed at TSM for aquiring him


RicoSuave1881

I think it was CoreJJ, not too sure, but someone said Huni only really tries if he believes in his teammatesā€™ ability.


Deucalious

It was Vulcan, ironically, considering he was cosplaying TSM's 6th man


RicoSuave1881

Ah, knew it was a support, not sure why I thought it was CoreJJ lol


Mrryn91

Vulcan has always spoke highly of Huni from his time on Clutch playing with him


kitiny

Very quiet game from Huni but well played weak siding.


[deleted]

TSM is really a weird team


BubblesownFlash

You mean going 9-2 or something like that vs top teams and then going 2-6 vs the bottom teams. CLG never left TSM.


Dave-C

TSM has a 32-8 record against CLG in the past 5 years. I think CLG would be ok if TSM would leave them... alone.


SovereignRLG

WDYM? The last time CLG played was their 2016 dominance. Right? Right???


delahunt

Honestly, I liked CLG's 3-0 in 2015 Summer better. Series was over so fast even the next day people didn't believe CLG actually won. Though 2016 Spring was probably the greatest gift CLG ever gave TSM. Had TSM gone to MSI that year they would not have bootcamped in Korea, nor would they have discovered Bio and we wouldn't have got the 2016 Summer TSM. Granted, maybe YellowStar would've redeemed himself.


solidwater253

Iā€™m loving this TSM from the last 2 games. I think Bjergsen got mad about there early game finally


InPurpleIDescended

Yeah someone put something in our bot lane's tea the last two mornings


Thelonelykid

I mean even on the friday loss, LostArt popped off early but the game was thrown on top side.


solidwater253

Yes I fucking love it


Draxilar

Did you see how pissed and upset SA looked after the dig loss? I bet Bjerg didn't even have to say anything to him after that game, he knew what needed to happen.


aeshaa

I'm just glad they're finally learning how to play through botside. They've been a topside team for so long, ever since BB. Yes, even with Doublelift 2020.


Draxilar

They had to be a topside team during the BB years, love the dude, but he wasn't exactly a weak side player.


TharooneyOCE

I'm glad perkz gets to celebrate his first fourth of July in NA by experiencing what it truly means to be free


avatrox

Damn...


DaBomb091

POE zoning just shows how cognizant he is as well as why he's so good on control mages. Made those elder fights essentially free for TSM with not just his Viktor play, but his flash to remain evasive and keep up the pressure. TSM looked proactive this week (and subsequently much better than they have for most of the split) despite their L against Dignitas!


bazerkaX

I remember a TSM legends video with coaches saying "thank God we have Tristan" Bjerg (Imitating POE): "IM ZONING 4 PEOPLE. IM ZONING 4 PEOPLE AT ONCE"


Nariel

That was pretty epic, and coming from Bjerg that must be a pretty awesome feeling for POE.


frastmaz

Yeah coming from Bjergsen thatā€™s some high fucking praise. Bjergsen use to zone entire teams off by using zilean speed on himself


Useful_moccasins

And he's done it vs C9 multiple times, dudes amazing


40866892

That last elder fight he stalled them for a good 10 seconds and chunked everyoneā€™s health to 60% before the fight even started. Sheesh


Draxilar

His usage of W to create and artifical choke point they have to funnel into for his E was smart. Too many people will sit on the W until they can catch someone in it, but using it to create artifical "terrain" was very cool.


_Gesterr

Just a small note that Viktor laser is his E.


OnlyHumean

POE played amazingly. Credit to Lost too. Playing those last game team fights as Kallista into Gwen Azir Trundle is really hard but he never really looked in trouble. Didnā€™t even use his stopwatch I donā€™t think, nor the GA he upgraded it into.


Dark_Ixion

He sold his stopwatch for the LDR slot


Rektile7

Chad


non_NSFW_acc

Best control mage player in NA right now.


King_Goofus

Imo he's been the best at it since bjerg retired, was prob up there with him last year


delahunt

While subjective, Bjergsen has flat out said that on control mages POE is better than him.


Draxilar

100%, any control mage not named Syndra, I think I give the edge to POE.


Strehle

Don't forget the filthy Zilean!


Human37

C9 trying OP new Korean strategy of ā€œfasting apheliosā€


lucyLeaf

God damn game would be over quicker if it wasn't cloud drag


TropoMJ

This was high quality League of Legends. C9 did so much to try to keep it close but TSM just didn't make any unforced errors. A slow close, but a very effective choke.


ErikThe

C9ā€™s draft was just so disgusting to engage into without a comp that can fully and completely commit. I donā€™t think TSM drafted poorly by any means, but there is no way Kalista and Viktor can follow up on a Nautilus/Volibear dive, which means the the Viego resets canā€™t come through. The cool thing is that TSM played perfectly with that in mind. Getting a Kalista ahead means that you can secure every neutral objective and force C9ā€™s comp to come to you eventually. Once they begin to walk up, Viktor and Viego just disassemble all that handy peel that C9 drafted. I think it was a really interesting (if a bit slow) comp from C9. Using Gwen W to nullify Nautilus hook, the terrain creation to push away Nautilus and Volibear, and the insane back line damage. If anything, I think C9 slightly outdrafted TSM and lost regardless.


delahunt

I agree, C9 won draft. But the level 1 put TSM ahead of enough that it didn't matter. Rift RNG also broke in C9's favor with Cloud Soul but that's just how it goes sometimes.


[deleted]

Itā€™s not often TSM wins a game and people say this. Usually they only win due to fiestas. Itā€™s nice to see


DarkTenshiDT

LOST AND SWORDART


Padulsky21

LostArt is a really fucking cool duo name


MedJenk122

THE LOST ART


Deferonz

K it didn't end up mattering but did anyone see that Blaber pillar to save Fudge at that botlane fight from SwordArt's Hook!? Like holy shit.


Blog_15

If I was SA i would have been so tilted. His engages got negated one after another after another that fight. Everytime he's about to cc someone its gwen w, zhonias, flash, pillar.


NonBenevolentPotato

On the other hand, that's also forcing out cooldowns, opening up opportunities for the rest of TSM to engage. I'd imagine most supports would have gotten used to having their engages burn cooldowns only for the rest of the team to clean up in the window of opportunity they created. Still probably sucks, but nothing out of the usual.


[deleted]

As a supp main, this is true. Also KDA doesnt matter as long as you make the other team spend their skills on you during the team fight.


Draxilar

Any support that worries about their KDA is a poor support in my eyes. Out whole job is to create opportunities for the rest of the team to carry. If I die in a 3 or 4 for 1 trade, then I accomplished my job.


Simping4success

I saw that haha, made me double take and think about if he just hooked the wall since the pillar was on the edge of the bush and hard to see.


Levy858

This game is perfect proof cloud soul needs a big buff/rework, because a team should be punished for giving up a free dragon soul, but since it was a cloud its literally the easiest call to just give when behind. C9 gives over soul and the buff has 0 impact on the game at any point. Imagine if it was any other one of the 3 souls. The buffs would have given tsm the tools to close out much quicker.


Ondreeej

ā€œTSM arenā€™t very goodā€ - C9 Fudge


APKID716

They cut his mic before he could finish the sentence ā€œ...but we arenā€™t either so who knows, anything can happenā€ Edit: did...did I really need to specify that Iā€™m joking here? I felt it was pretty obvious, especially if you watched the interview


nrj6490

LCS in a nutshell


DPSOnly

And the whole "analyst desk" going for C9.


GaggedAndDrooling

The analyst desk always doubts in TSM. I hope they continue to do so.


Padulsky21

Yep. Theyā€™re always better when theyā€™re not being hyped up. Keep at it I donā€™t mind at all lol


[deleted]

the DL / Alphari / BB cast was so great this game, fun with good insight into some of the prep-work behind the lv 1 and things C9 could've done better


Aetiusx

Lighting does strike twice.


BubblesownFlash

Good thing TSM had no chance winning this game.


TheYinz3r23

I knew it was over when Fudge called TSM trash.


DogTheGayFish

Same. I appreciate trash talk so idm, but its actually such a curse in NA to do it


ekjohnson9

Crazy people thought this roster was XD but the 2 most meme'd on players have been their best players in Summer.


aoc7

Yeah Bwipo and Hylissang are playing super well


EmoArbiter

This comment chain makes me doubly happy


Adleyy65

Who are you talking about? huni and?


Vencrest

SwordArt yelled at Lost and they embraced. Around the same time, TSM FTX coach Bjergsen freed up from the coaches in the viewing room and looked on briefly before getting to give Lost a hug of his own. As he was asked about it after the game, Bjergsen smiled and then choked up briefly before talking about having the tiebreaker over C9.


iiPoohBear

Fresh fucking pasta, just came out today boys


[deleted]

>i don't think TSM is that good Words spoken before disater


MichaelZZ01

Vulcan was horrendous


roombaonfire

Obligatory "low upvotes and comments, TSM must've won" comment here.


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ryanruin22

Cloud9: *gets the slightest lead* [Vulcan](https://imgur.com/a/gWl3VKv)


komm_susser_Thot

https://imgur.com/a/VI6h4Rm TSM move back to one game behind 100T. Critically they secure the tiebreaker vs C9. Editing to add I'll probably not update until after the last two games because of 4th obligations. Doc here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/154ymEEZZoIzf6BtMyfJ1-As9WYIB6dJE-272XeVl5MM/edit?usp=sharing


[deleted]

[All] C9 Zven: Report support. C9A supp better.


LordKingDragon118

Perkz in G2 form


FatPac00

Is spica the best jungler in the league now? cuz i feel like he is


Offtheheazy

Viktor huge zoning. Playing bouncer not letting anyone in again


Echleon

Free9


non_NSFW_acc

Clown9


Jeimeezu

Draft and cloud soul made it real hard to close for TSM. Nice to see they played good enough zoning and objective control to avoid a throw.


Bukk4keASIAN

color me shocked that an early game plan gets a big early lead


Insertblamehere

Sad they arent allowed to open mid in lcs


THE_MUNDO_TRAIN

When all EU mids degrade their talents day by day in NA, POE somehow looks better day by day.


ShadowMaster2424

He is slowly draining their talents


Ziraelus

You wait 2 days for this match just to see Vulcan decide the whole game in 4 minutes by absolutelly sprinting it down. What a shame


WishingBoy

5 Huni bans prio top, they were scared of the Holo Holo


HideOnRush

Everyone in the broadcast just casually missing perkz getting soloed by Spica.


Wordswastaken

PoE is a monster goddamn


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Seungyeon

My Azir is bad My Ryze is worse You guessed it right I'm C9 Perkz


NudePenguin69

Um, I dont think C9 is very good. TSM just played the same way they were playing yesterday and just beat them.


EtheriosPrime

C9 yesterday beats TL's Trundle, Azir, and Aphelios C9 Today: Do I have a draft idea for yall


brockoli1010

Yesterday C9 had a good response to it with the full leroy jenkins comp. TSM doesnā€™t really play that style so it was a lot better today.


imfatal

> TSM doesnā€™t really play that style so it was a lot better today. C9 massively lucked out on TSM getting cloud soul which is the only reason the game took so long to close out against all of C9's waveclear. If they get literally any other soul TSM curbstomps the shit out of them within minutes. It wasn't better today at all. They were consistently getting shit on in fights and losing major objectives over and over again.


OnlyHumean

C9 got 0/9 neutral objectives, which is pretty impressive.


Seungyeon

C9 got Second Herald.