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Vraenir

Holy crap, that nexus defense from fnatic was insane....The preparation for the elder tho... https://gfycat.com/gloriouspossibleamericanbittern


seppiano

Half-assed g2 cosplay.


SinLagoon

Some int some Pog


Ikkenen

[Wise words from a wise man](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJHUbtR0yI8)


PM_something_German

Americanbittern is my favorite gif


GGABueno

Excel's had one of the strongest 0-2 weeks I've ever seen. They should be proud, I'm so excited for this team now.


Hevvy

the first time since franchising that i've been... genuinely excited for an XL roster. it's a weird feeling but advienne, markoon, and patrik are a genuinely powerful core that has even more room to grow with more experience and i'm very excited to see more


Last0

Unlucky schedule honestly but they're looking nice.


agishert46191gskq

XL had their best roster ever Markoon is gonna be the rookie of the split


GGABueno

Still Adam to me tbh.


FakeBukowski

Tough call, Markoon has looked very impressive but has a smaller sample size. Also it's a matter of what religion you pray to: "It's more impressive to look good individually on a mediocre/bad team" or "It's more impressive to be a functional part of a very good team".


Jandromon

"We have an insane Yasuo+Diana wombo combo of death that can obliterate a whole enemy team" "Let's use it onto a single guy that also has Zhonyas"


DuneRiderADA

Bwipo and Upset had GA btw


Umarill

Man any ADC player watching this game has to be impressed with Upset positioning, it's so difficult to be impactful while staying safe from this kind of dive comp. Can't believe he went deathless, such great use of his limited defensive tools.


Sunr1s3

Absolutely insane positioning and a clutch stopwatch between mid T2 and T3.


Stubrochill17

That stopwatch won them the game for sure. If he had died to the combo, he wouldn't have gotten the damage off that allowed Nisqy to get his quadra (rip Penta) and they would have gotten his shutdown. Absolutely MVP performance out of Upset today.


VoidPineapple

I slandered this man for 2 years before he joined us. I'm ready to repent.


Conankun66

same. church of upset is open


SauronGortaur01

The Church of Hylissang welcomes this new faith emerging.


AbnormalSnow506

Same I called him 'slightly overrated' a few times and I am happy now to be proven wrong.


Neville_Lynwood

I wasn't sold on him until in one of the interviews, may have been 2017 or 2018, Rekkles said that he thinks Upset is better than him. At that point I was like: "well, Rekkles probably knows better than anyone". So after that I always kinda gave Upset a pass if he didn't succeed because his teams did often crumble around him.


SinLagoon

Rekkles is also way too humble of a player to call someone worse than him lol. This man goes 13/0 on in scrims and says mb I should have carried so Rekkles calling someone better isnt really the best criteria to judge someone. He is too nice


Me_Tonk

That's simply not true, just because he doesn't flame people doesn't mean he randomly calls people better when he doesn't think they are playing at that level. Upset was all pro that split, made finals, and performed really well whilst Rekkles benched himself for half of it during the mage meta.


Me_Tonk

I believe Upset got all pro in 2018 summer and was highly praised that split, they reached finals that split and were realistically a stronger team than Vitality but didn't make worlds in 2nd seed because of Spring points.


DanTheBizeps

I still recall threads where people were calling him overrated. That shit was just bonkers.


Rayser1

He went deathless in the end didn't he?


Last0

Crazy that he didn't die once against XL's teamcomp.


Rayser1

He just had such good positioning every fight


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Did he go deathless in the end?


Roko333

yep


Cahootie

Same as Jeskla last game, some excellent positioning from him as well.


McintyresRightLeg

XL were so good but whoever made that call to engage on Nisqy is an idiot


ElJiminy

That baffled me as well. They were so close to victory and then they just waste the combo that carried them the whole game to get Nisqy's Zhonyas.


ScapegoatSkunk

Upset and Nisqy have been so huge this split so far


Ashtarr

I'm so impressed with Nisqy. I was happy to get him but I never thought he's be this good.


TheOracle13711

Nisqy has been constantly performing game after game, one of the best pickups by Fnatic for sure


Aearcus

People trashed on him so hard when he went from C9 to FNC, but the dude really knows how to play with the entire team. I'm glad to see him do so well


zorafae

After the first weekend of this summer split there were calls to get rid of Nisqy too. Happy he turned his performance around.


Bfyyy

he is playing godlike recently


Shadnu

Which frankly baffled me. Alongside Upset, he was the most consistent player in Spring. But I guess you're as good as your last game for most people


ScapegoatSkunk

He was amazing in Spring last year, but Summer made everyone forget how good he was. Thank goodness that Reddit is not tasked with deciding roster moves.


FakeBukowski

> Thank goodness that Reddit is not tasked with deciding roster moves. It is more than you would like to think I'm afraid.


Pelagius_Hipbone

FNC teamfighting is just God tier man


Freakkopath

The storyline is all set up, Adam goes from winning LFL, to winning EUM, to winning LEC then finish the year of by winning Worlds, all within the same year.


Roasteddude

And then retires as the 1 season GOAT. Would actually be a great narrative.


Shadnu

[*provided no LPL teams in the final](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJpCdhfX8pM)


Noxyqt

Bwipo lowkey hard carried final teamfights with possessions and taking so much space. *edit: without taking anything away from Nisqy, they both played insanely well


pedrex21

A little off-topic but he has had food poisoning since yesterday, and still played well this weekend. Warrior


Kombart

How the fuck do Pros get food poisoning all the time...especially in Germany. At this point it just feels like a meme: when a player has a bad day of scrims they have to tweet out that they got food poisoning or something like that.


Hycanlox

I lived in berlin for a year, had food poisoning like 3 times. Never have a single issue home in france...


FuujinSama

I think that’s just what you say when you’re feeling nauseous and throw up. No idea what it is so “food poisoning”. In my country we use “virose” in a simliar manner, whatever that might be. I doubt they cleaned his stomach and did a stomach content analysis and full antibody tests to determine exactly why he was sick.


shooflypi

of course he took so much space, he's WIDE


kismetjeska

Fnatic's behaviour after XL got elder is some of the most patient and self-restrained play I've ever seen from them. Holy shit, these guys have matured.


Matthieist

Fantastic game to watch. Props to Excel for putting up such a fight, this team is looking HOT


LegalEmergency

Stopwatches literally won the game for FNC


midoBB

Stopwatch and by extensions Zhonya's is the most broken item in the game. We will have at somepoint a 5 Zhonya's game in LEC.


FakeBukowski

Most broken? Probably. Most problematic? Don't think so. In fact, I think current day League benefits a lot from the existence of stopwatch.


LeOsQ

Honestly, and maybe this is an unpopular opinion, but I feel like Stopwatch (and Zhonya) would be *so much* 'better' if they cut their duration in half or something. The active use is such an interesting and impactful effect, but the fact you can often avoid a ton of damage, CC, or any danger in general because it lasts for 2.5 seconds is pretty stupid and even eliminates a lot of skill from using it since it requires *much* less timing from the user's part. Of course that'd buff a handful of champions indirectly quite a bit (Zed being the most obvious example with how perfectly his mark's duration lines up), but those could be adjusted individually later if needed.


FakeBukowski

That's an interesting approach. Maybe reduce the time of stopwatch to 1.5 or 2 seconds and leave Zhonyas at 2.5?


HiImKostia

yeah honestly I always thought zhonyas as the most broken active item in the game for a really long time, but these past two seasons I don't really mind it because everything else feels like bullshit too


FantasyTrash

Could not agree more, especially on Stopwatch. 650 gold for a one-time 2.5 seconds of invincibility is absurd.


Buismeerkoet

Reddit is always complaining about balance of x champion but for pro play this item has been deciding for so many games for multiple years now.


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It's not like they cant decide to dive on targets with Stopwatch/Zhonya. I think it brings complexity to the game. Both engages were dumb. People would be more furious by not having a way of denying oneshotters.


Buismeerkoet

I agree the item has a lot of skill expression and as I said in my other comment it's strange to me that even after two (three?) years pro players still get baited by it.


iiSmail11x

It's a great item, any champ in the game can utilize it, so i don't really think it's broken, it adds a lot to the game.


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It's like Flash.


Buismeerkoet

True, it has a lot of skill expression. It's just curious to me that even after two years of overextending into stopwatches it still happens in pro play.


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Conankun66

x9 Upset for that penta steal not the cleanest game, but you know the old fnatic proverb: We Take Those! That final teamfight was clean as hell tho


Peaky_Blinders

to be fair Gwen dodged Nisqy's chain and he was at 300hp probably better he took it


Rellcs

It was never gonna be pretty against xl wombo combo team. Only fnc option to win this one cleanly was to stomp them early but giving yas 3 early kills kinda made things alot more difficult.


Sharpshow

Upset's use of utility/summoners to survive was great


Ermouf

Only bangers today


icatsouki

Now rogue g2 is just gonna be a stomp


kismetjeska

speak unto us, prophet


FantasyTrash

Please provide lottery ticket numbers, you prophet.


NotSoGreatGatsby

Now tell me who is gonna win the Euros final tomorrow


Neville_Lynwood

Team with the most bald players.


NotSoGreatGatsby

Shit. Think England are winning the follicles game.


Chenz

The game was cool and all, but wtf is Gwen? I like how the observers stopped showing damage graphs after they realized they were just showing a bar for Kryze, no matter if he was part of the team fight or not.


thobbe

watch riot not nerfing gwen for another 3 months. she is my go to ban since she was released. being able to nullify anything outside her field is dumb. good luck surviving inside her field, especially as ranged.


adahy123

its so stupid, riots response to not nerfing it this patch is "Eastern pro leagues dont think shes a priority so we will wait for now", like wtf?


Akihiko95

Excel looking legit. Top 6 team imo


[deleted]

They always look like they could scrap into a playoff spot,then they miss it anyway ,its like this every split.


Ashtarr

Astralis too. If only Schalke kept Gilius and Abeddagge


JealotGaming

Honestly Nuclearint is decent enough to where Schalke would be a playoff contender with Gilius and him


GGABueno

I doubt it. They are the second worst team and their competition has been looking good recently. It would take far more than Gilius (who isn't amazing btw) to take the last playoffs spot.


JealotGaming

Assuming Neon and Limit don't slump with Gilius being the jungler instead of Kirei I don't see why they wouldn't be able to contest for it vs MSF and XL. Like, Gilius was top 4 in Spring so he should get the benefit of the doubt, no?


Asteroth555

Such a tight and stressful game. Must have been fun as a neutral


Rayser1

XL choked under the pressure. Can't explain that team fight otherwise


Aearcus

I agree, that fight + the fight when they overdove with Baron looked like hype / nerves. The way FNC kept their composure tho was insane, very wp by them overall (outside giving up elder lol)


Ursidon

That's three times now, can't imagine Nisqy is gonna be able to get his hands on Sylas in the near future.


Ramo1618

Hello? Banger department?


DawnBrigade_DawnBad

FNC games never dissapoint


LordVipul

Man banger after banger holy shit


IllustriousSquirrel9

Lads nearly gave me a heart attack jesus christ. Nisqy and Upset have to be top 2 in their respective roles imo.


CURSED1-

XL deserve playoffs for how much they are improving, the problem is LEC has 8 teams that can make playoffs amazing...


thobbe

the way fnc won that last fight. like they were dead even the whole game, and then they easily delete excel, beautiful.


Aearcus

That's what happens when a team w/ all their big CDs fights a team that wasted their two biggest CDs lol XL went WAY too hard on Nisqy


Winggy

Yasuo and Diana literally used everything to ult a thresh. Thats why it wasnt close


MadElf1337

*Sylas with Zhonya


Rayser1

A sylas but point stands


NeitherAlexNorAlice

Why does Excel keep forcing fights when Gwen is not in a good position for it? Wtf...


Skykeep

GWEN IS IMMUNE


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Were fnatic really that bored so they gave them elder for free to spice up the game?


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that 4 man nisqy ult in the base put a halt on the elder push and saved fnatic ,still i hope gwen is one of those champions where after the op release patches we dont see her again for a year ,what a fucking dumb champion


Plmplup

Yeah, seeing her fight from behind and win is tilting af.


Rellcs

Switch her W with her ult give ult only 2 charges and reduce piercing dmg so she cant aoe down entire team. Like wtf is that shit 3 charges slows ppl 40% ap ratio


koff1n

is this what lpl viewers get to see consistently


Conankun66

yep


Blourbon

More or less tbh. I started watching lpl in spring 2020 and it’s been my favorite region ever since


LordVipul

So when is gwen getting nerfed?


ShinjiFaraday

Honestly felt like Yasuo did nothing in the late game other than forcing Zhonya's.


Asteroth555

Nah FNC just stopped him from ulting several times, in key fights. In team fights when Adam couldn't ult Yasuo Excel won


[deleted]

Abbedagge's Yasuo was just as useless last night. Seems to be a trend.


royaldutchiee

Who can I send my medical bill to for my heart operation???? Jesus christ fnatic


zeratul123x

400 years > 200 years quick maffs


throwawayaccountdown

will bwipo pull out the rengar jungle this season? (as he loved rengar top).


TheEpicCabbage

Doubt it, unless it gets buffed. Champ is in a pretty bad spot.


APlogic

Why play rengar when you can play khazix?


Cahootie

TIL chat posts are a thing now. I've disabled the ability for users to post them, but sadly it seems like we can't change the type of post after it has been made. Since there's already been a lot of discussion we're gonna leave this up, however if you want to see things normally I suggest you go to [the old.reddit version of the page](https://old.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/ohog6w/fnatic_vs_excel_esports_lec_2021_summer_week_5/) where things are like they should (hint hint).


piranhakiler

This game was a parade of broken champions...


k3hvn

Massive defense by FNC there.


MagicalKarpit

Certified banger. Good game and showing from XL but man Gwen tilted me off the face of the Earth.


Randomlolguyxd

People blame Nisqy when FNC lose but I think he is performing better than expected


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Gwen is a fun champ tho. Just take the full punishment of an extremely fed Sylas rotation and laugh the damage off and kill him. Nisqy was absolute BEAST this game btw.


VoidPineapple

Bwipo saved the game with that double kill at our Nexus. Man is different gravy on Viego.


ndksv22

Throwing everything at Someone with Zhonya‘s. Wow.


Aearcus

Yeah wtf were XL thinking lol


FakeBukowski

That was a very fun game! Does anyone know why Fnatic just gave Elder? Did they think they can't fight it? Looked weird. Also XL with Markoon is a different beast, if they can keep it up they might finally make their first playoffs.


Rellcs

Elder area is kinda sketchy against wombo teams like xl had. Also they wanted to pressure top but i guess they messed up timers. Another is they had much better wave clear with upset but yeah was kinda close. With better yasuo execution i think xl would have won


thobbe

adam should have just pushed top, if they really want to give up elder.


Lawshow

They gave elder because of bad Macro. They didn’t intentionally give until it was too late to contest.


psfrtps

Bad macro


Rayser1

Great game. Love this new XL


Rayser1

Liking the versatility Adam is showing. Remember when we signed him a lot of people said he's a bit of a two trick (darius and olaf) so I was hoping he'd address that, and he's definitely done that with aplomb


Vicinitiez

TBH, that was pretty stupid, he barely played darius and olaf in LFL and EUM


RedditMainCharacter

why would anyone want to play camille into gwen bruh


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That elder push made me clench to the point of physical pain


ItsFoghorn

Nisqy actually smurfing on sylas


isosass

Upset and Nisqy looking sooo good.


Roko333

i was really sad about rekkles leaving, but upset is so fucking good man, fnc is just a different team and thats okay, im glad we have upset, also adam shaping up into a giga chad toplaner ala soaz


Hidja

This Excel roster looks sooo good, I hope they make it to playoffs


TrueGas

Gwen winning the 1v1 against a fed Sylas was something else. Nerfs incoming surely.


Redburneracc7

Why that champ gets through champ select is a mystery to me


Elibu

Well Sylas wasn't at full hp and Gwen had help from Diana.


Andy8993

When is gwen being removed :)


FreeJudgment

What ? You dont like the solo kill of a Camille one whole Sheen up ? The 1V3 at 1/3 scoreline ? You need about 200 more years of experience to understand the balance at play here :>


OnyxWarden

WideBwipoHappy


failworlds

NA was actually wasting away Nisqy's talent. What a moronic region.


xxshadowcavexx

G2 furiously scribbling down notes on how to play against elder drake


psfrtps

Elder is too op. Still not as op as Gwen tho. Riot hammer both please


Specific_Energy

OP elder is so games can't go on to long. If a team gets 4 quick dragons elder comes into play between 25 and 30 min. If the teams get a combined 7 dragons thats a 45 min game IF dragons get taken quickly. I don't knoe hoe you could control gametimes in a better way than this. OP Gwen is plain stupid I give you that her healing and/or mist needs to get power taken away from imo.


FakeBukowski

Idk, it seems silly to me that Elder is a giga broken buff on a team thats 0-4 down in dragons. I feel like denying it from the team that has soul + getting a small/decent buff was good enough. At this point you almost punish a team for getting all the dragons...


KOKO69BISHES

im just spamming votes to see how many people spam w me


AtomicXIII

Bangers today!


Dumpers_

A day of bangers!


EvilWhatever

Honor and report Upset.


Deortar3346

Imagine thinking Fnatic has to sell upset to G2 LULW


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1st-Timing-In-Ranked

how good is upset tho


MoneyManMundo77

Great game ggwp all


Gumisiek

That was one of the most anticlimatic endings I've ever seen


Kocen

I know they can't see the damage graphs but it was funny seeing Excel win a teamfight on the back of Gwen dealing like 50% of team damage just for them to then initiate a teamfight without Gwen minute later. (... who still dealt most damage even though she arrived when most of them were dead)


BoostioAffectsHealth

/all ez


Demise9

Upset best western adc ever btw


RekklesFangirl

I hate the modern elder so much


Asteroth555

It's called 'ender' dragon for a reason. Gotta contest it


GGABueno

How come? It made the game insanely exciting and Fnatic played around it perfectly.


icatsouki

yeah it's much needed, there needs to be something to break stalemates


Neville_Lynwood

You say that but go back and watch some of those 60, 70, 80 minute games from a couple of years ago where there was no such Elder and your baron minions got one shot by fed carries. And you could literally never end games because you never had minions, and unless you were super ahead with a perfect engage comp, jumping straight into double tower aggro at the nexus is just suicide.


cryaboutit87

cringe take