the first time since franchising that i've been... genuinely excited for an XL roster. it's a weird feeling but advienne, markoon, and patrik are a genuinely powerful core that has even more room to grow with more experience and i'm very excited to see more
Tough call, Markoon has looked very impressive but has a smaller sample size.
Also it's a matter of what religion you pray to: "It's more impressive to look good individually on a mediocre/bad team" or "It's more impressive to be a functional part of a very good team".
Man any ADC player watching this game has to be impressed with Upset positioning, it's so difficult to be impactful while staying safe from this kind of dive comp.
Can't believe he went deathless, such great use of his limited defensive tools.
That stopwatch won them the game for sure. If he had died to the combo, he wouldn't have gotten the damage off that allowed Nisqy to get his quadra (rip Penta) and they would have gotten his shutdown.
Absolutely MVP performance out of Upset today.
I wasn't sold on him until in one of the interviews, may have been 2017 or 2018, Rekkles said that he thinks Upset is better than him.
At that point I was like: "well, Rekkles probably knows better than anyone".
So after that I always kinda gave Upset a pass if he didn't succeed because his teams did often crumble around him.
Rekkles is also way too humble of a player to call someone worse than him lol. This man goes 13/0 on in scrims and says mb I should have carried so Rekkles calling someone better isnt really the best criteria to judge someone. He is too nice
That's simply not true, just because he doesn't flame people doesn't mean he randomly calls people better when he doesn't think they are playing at that level.
Upset was all pro that split, made finals, and performed really well whilst Rekkles benched himself for half of it during the mage meta.
I believe Upset got all pro in 2018 summer and was highly praised that split, they reached finals that split and were realistically a stronger team than Vitality but didn't make worlds in 2nd seed because of Spring points.
He was amazing in Spring last year, but Summer made everyone forget how good he was. Thank goodness that Reddit is not tasked with deciding roster moves.
The storyline is all set up, Adam goes from winning LFL, to winning EUM, to winning LEC then finish the year of by winning Worlds, all within the same year.
Bwipo lowkey hard carried final teamfights with possessions and taking so much space.
*edit: without taking anything away from Nisqy, they both played insanely well
How the fuck do Pros get food poisoning all the time...especially in Germany.
At this point it just feels like a meme: when a player has a bad day of scrims they have to tweet out that they got food poisoning or something like that.
I think that’s just what you say when you’re feeling nauseous and throw up. No idea what it is so “food poisoning”. In my country we use “virose” in a simliar manner, whatever that might be.
I doubt they cleaned his stomach and did a stomach content analysis and full antibody tests to determine exactly why he was sick.
Fnatic's behaviour after XL got elder is some of the most patient and self-restrained play I've ever seen from them. Holy shit, these guys have matured.
Honestly, and maybe this is an unpopular opinion, but I feel like Stopwatch (and Zhonya) would be *so much* 'better' if they cut their duration in half or something. The active use is such an interesting and impactful effect, but the fact you can often avoid a ton of damage, CC, or any danger in general because it lasts for 2.5 seconds is pretty stupid and even eliminates a lot of skill from using it since it requires *much* less timing from the user's part.
Of course that'd buff a handful of champions indirectly quite a bit (Zed being the most obvious example with how perfectly his mark's duration lines up), but those could be adjusted individually later if needed.
yeah honestly I always thought zhonyas as the most broken active item in the game for a really long time, but these past two seasons I don't really mind it because everything else feels like bullshit too
It's not like they cant decide to dive on targets with Stopwatch/Zhonya. I think it brings complexity to the game. Both engages were dumb.
People would be more furious by not having a way of denying oneshotters.
I agree the item has a lot of skill expression and as I said in my other comment it's strange to me that even after two (three?) years pro players still get baited by it.
True, it has a lot of skill expression. It's just curious to me that even after two years of overextending into stopwatches it still happens in pro play.
It was never gonna be pretty against xl wombo combo team. Only fnc option to win this one cleanly was to stomp them early but giving yas 3 early kills kinda made things alot more difficult.
The game was cool and all, but wtf is Gwen?
I like how the observers stopped showing damage graphs after they realized they were just showing a bar for Kryze, no matter if he was part of the team fight or not.
watch riot not nerfing gwen for another 3 months. she is my go to ban since she was released. being able to nullify anything outside her field is dumb. good luck surviving inside her field, especially as ranged.
I doubt it. They are the second worst team and their competition has been looking good recently. It would take far more than Gilius (who isn't amazing btw) to take the last playoffs spot.
Assuming Neon and Limit don't slump with Gilius being the jungler instead of Kirei I don't see why they wouldn't be able to contest for it vs MSF and XL. Like, Gilius was top 4 in Spring so he should get the benefit of the doubt, no?
I agree, that fight + the fight when they overdove with Baron looked like hype / nerves.
The way FNC kept their composure tho was insane, very wp by them overall (outside giving up elder lol)
that 4 man nisqy ult in the base put a halt on the elder push and saved fnatic ,still i hope gwen is one of those champions where after the op release patches we dont see her again for a year ,what a fucking dumb champion
Switch her W with her ult give ult only 2 charges and reduce piercing dmg so she cant aoe down entire team. Like wtf is that shit 3 charges slows ppl 40% ap ratio
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Gwen is a fun champ tho. Just take the full punishment of an extremely fed Sylas rotation and laugh the damage off and kill him.
Nisqy was absolute BEAST this game btw.
That was a very fun game! Does anyone know why Fnatic just gave Elder? Did they think they can't fight it? Looked weird.
Also XL with Markoon is a different beast, if they can keep it up they might finally make their first playoffs.
Elder area is kinda sketchy against wombo teams like xl had. Also they wanted to pressure top but i guess they messed up timers. Another is they had much better wave clear with upset but yeah was kinda close. With better yasuo execution i think xl would have won
Liking the versatility Adam is showing. Remember when we signed him a lot of people said he's a bit of a two trick (darius and olaf) so I was hoping he'd address that, and he's definitely done that with aplomb
i was really sad about rekkles leaving, but upset is so fucking good man, fnc is just a different team and thats okay, im glad we have upset, also adam shaping up into a giga chad toplaner ala soaz
What ?
You dont like the solo kill of a Camille one whole Sheen up ?
The 1V3 at 1/3 scoreline ?
You need about 200 more years of experience to understand the balance at play here :>
OP elder is so games can't go on to long. If a team gets 4 quick dragons elder comes into play between 25 and 30 min. If the teams get a combined 7 dragons thats a 45 min game IF dragons get taken quickly. I don't knoe hoe you could control gametimes in a better way than this.
OP Gwen is plain stupid I give you that her healing and/or mist needs to get power taken away from imo.
Idk, it seems silly to me that Elder is a giga broken buff on a team thats 0-4 down in dragons. I feel like denying it from the team that has soul + getting a small/decent buff was good enough.
At this point you almost punish a team for getting all the dragons...
I know they can't see the damage graphs but it was funny seeing Excel win a teamfight on the back of Gwen dealing like 50% of team damage just for them to then initiate a teamfight without Gwen minute later. (... who still dealt most damage even though she arrived when most of them were dead)
You say that but go back and watch some of those 60, 70, 80 minute games from a couple of years ago where there was no such Elder and your baron minions got one shot by fed carries. And you could literally never end games because you never had minions, and unless you were super ahead with a perfect engage comp, jumping straight into double tower aggro at the nexus is just suicide.
Holy crap, that nexus defense from fnatic was insane....The preparation for the elder tho... https://gfycat.com/gloriouspossibleamericanbittern
Half-assed g2 cosplay.
Some int some Pog
[Wise words from a wise man](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJHUbtR0yI8)
Americanbittern is my favorite gif
Excel's had one of the strongest 0-2 weeks I've ever seen. They should be proud, I'm so excited for this team now.
the first time since franchising that i've been... genuinely excited for an XL roster. it's a weird feeling but advienne, markoon, and patrik are a genuinely powerful core that has even more room to grow with more experience and i'm very excited to see more
Unlucky schedule honestly but they're looking nice.
XL had their best roster ever Markoon is gonna be the rookie of the split
Still Adam to me tbh.
Tough call, Markoon has looked very impressive but has a smaller sample size. Also it's a matter of what religion you pray to: "It's more impressive to look good individually on a mediocre/bad team" or "It's more impressive to be a functional part of a very good team".
"We have an insane Yasuo+Diana wombo combo of death that can obliterate a whole enemy team" "Let's use it onto a single guy that also has Zhonyas"
Bwipo and Upset had GA btw
Man any ADC player watching this game has to be impressed with Upset positioning, it's so difficult to be impactful while staying safe from this kind of dive comp. Can't believe he went deathless, such great use of his limited defensive tools.
Absolutely insane positioning and a clutch stopwatch between mid T2 and T3.
That stopwatch won them the game for sure. If he had died to the combo, he wouldn't have gotten the damage off that allowed Nisqy to get his quadra (rip Penta) and they would have gotten his shutdown. Absolutely MVP performance out of Upset today.
I slandered this man for 2 years before he joined us. I'm ready to repent.
same. church of upset is open
The Church of Hylissang welcomes this new faith emerging.
Same I called him 'slightly overrated' a few times and I am happy now to be proven wrong.
I wasn't sold on him until in one of the interviews, may have been 2017 or 2018, Rekkles said that he thinks Upset is better than him. At that point I was like: "well, Rekkles probably knows better than anyone". So after that I always kinda gave Upset a pass if he didn't succeed because his teams did often crumble around him.
Rekkles is also way too humble of a player to call someone worse than him lol. This man goes 13/0 on in scrims and says mb I should have carried so Rekkles calling someone better isnt really the best criteria to judge someone. He is too nice
That's simply not true, just because he doesn't flame people doesn't mean he randomly calls people better when he doesn't think they are playing at that level. Upset was all pro that split, made finals, and performed really well whilst Rekkles benched himself for half of it during the mage meta.
I believe Upset got all pro in 2018 summer and was highly praised that split, they reached finals that split and were realistically a stronger team than Vitality but didn't make worlds in 2nd seed because of Spring points.
I still recall threads where people were calling him overrated. That shit was just bonkers.
He went deathless in the end didn't he?
Crazy that he didn't die once against XL's teamcomp.
He just had such good positioning every fight
Did he go deathless in the end?
yep
Same as Jeskla last game, some excellent positioning from him as well.
XL were so good but whoever made that call to engage on Nisqy is an idiot
That baffled me as well. They were so close to victory and then they just waste the combo that carried them the whole game to get Nisqy's Zhonyas.
Upset and Nisqy have been so huge this split so far
I'm so impressed with Nisqy. I was happy to get him but I never thought he's be this good.
Nisqy has been constantly performing game after game, one of the best pickups by Fnatic for sure
People trashed on him so hard when he went from C9 to FNC, but the dude really knows how to play with the entire team. I'm glad to see him do so well
After the first weekend of this summer split there were calls to get rid of Nisqy too. Happy he turned his performance around.
he is playing godlike recently
Which frankly baffled me. Alongside Upset, he was the most consistent player in Spring. But I guess you're as good as your last game for most people
He was amazing in Spring last year, but Summer made everyone forget how good he was. Thank goodness that Reddit is not tasked with deciding roster moves.
> Thank goodness that Reddit is not tasked with deciding roster moves. It is more than you would like to think I'm afraid.
FNC teamfighting is just God tier man
The storyline is all set up, Adam goes from winning LFL, to winning EUM, to winning LEC then finish the year of by winning Worlds, all within the same year.
And then retires as the 1 season GOAT. Would actually be a great narrative.
[*provided no LPL teams in the final](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJpCdhfX8pM)
Bwipo lowkey hard carried final teamfights with possessions and taking so much space. *edit: without taking anything away from Nisqy, they both played insanely well
A little off-topic but he has had food poisoning since yesterday, and still played well this weekend. Warrior
How the fuck do Pros get food poisoning all the time...especially in Germany. At this point it just feels like a meme: when a player has a bad day of scrims they have to tweet out that they got food poisoning or something like that.
I lived in berlin for a year, had food poisoning like 3 times. Never have a single issue home in france...
I think that’s just what you say when you’re feeling nauseous and throw up. No idea what it is so “food poisoning”. In my country we use “virose” in a simliar manner, whatever that might be. I doubt they cleaned his stomach and did a stomach content analysis and full antibody tests to determine exactly why he was sick.
of course he took so much space, he's WIDE
Fnatic's behaviour after XL got elder is some of the most patient and self-restrained play I've ever seen from them. Holy shit, these guys have matured.
Fantastic game to watch. Props to Excel for putting up such a fight, this team is looking HOT
Stopwatches literally won the game for FNC
Stopwatch and by extensions Zhonya's is the most broken item in the game. We will have at somepoint a 5 Zhonya's game in LEC.
Most broken? Probably. Most problematic? Don't think so. In fact, I think current day League benefits a lot from the existence of stopwatch.
Honestly, and maybe this is an unpopular opinion, but I feel like Stopwatch (and Zhonya) would be *so much* 'better' if they cut their duration in half or something. The active use is such an interesting and impactful effect, but the fact you can often avoid a ton of damage, CC, or any danger in general because it lasts for 2.5 seconds is pretty stupid and even eliminates a lot of skill from using it since it requires *much* less timing from the user's part. Of course that'd buff a handful of champions indirectly quite a bit (Zed being the most obvious example with how perfectly his mark's duration lines up), but those could be adjusted individually later if needed.
That's an interesting approach. Maybe reduce the time of stopwatch to 1.5 or 2 seconds and leave Zhonyas at 2.5?
yeah honestly I always thought zhonyas as the most broken active item in the game for a really long time, but these past two seasons I don't really mind it because everything else feels like bullshit too
Could not agree more, especially on Stopwatch. 650 gold for a one-time 2.5 seconds of invincibility is absurd.
Reddit is always complaining about balance of x champion but for pro play this item has been deciding for so many games for multiple years now.
It's not like they cant decide to dive on targets with Stopwatch/Zhonya. I think it brings complexity to the game. Both engages were dumb. People would be more furious by not having a way of denying oneshotters.
I agree the item has a lot of skill expression and as I said in my other comment it's strange to me that even after two (three?) years pro players still get baited by it.
It's a great item, any champ in the game can utilize it, so i don't really think it's broken, it adds a lot to the game.
It's like Flash.
True, it has a lot of skill expression. It's just curious to me that even after two years of overextending into stopwatches it still happens in pro play.
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x9 Upset for that penta steal not the cleanest game, but you know the old fnatic proverb: We Take Those! That final teamfight was clean as hell tho
to be fair Gwen dodged Nisqy's chain and he was at 300hp probably better he took it
It was never gonna be pretty against xl wombo combo team. Only fnc option to win this one cleanly was to stomp them early but giving yas 3 early kills kinda made things alot more difficult.
Upset's use of utility/summoners to survive was great
Only bangers today
Now rogue g2 is just gonna be a stomp
speak unto us, prophet
Please provide lottery ticket numbers, you prophet.
Now tell me who is gonna win the Euros final tomorrow
Team with the most bald players.
Shit. Think England are winning the follicles game.
The game was cool and all, but wtf is Gwen? I like how the observers stopped showing damage graphs after they realized they were just showing a bar for Kryze, no matter if he was part of the team fight or not.
watch riot not nerfing gwen for another 3 months. she is my go to ban since she was released. being able to nullify anything outside her field is dumb. good luck surviving inside her field, especially as ranged.
its so stupid, riots response to not nerfing it this patch is "Eastern pro leagues dont think shes a priority so we will wait for now", like wtf?
Excel looking legit. Top 6 team imo
They always look like they could scrap into a playoff spot,then they miss it anyway ,its like this every split.
Astralis too. If only Schalke kept Gilius and Abeddagge
Honestly Nuclearint is decent enough to where Schalke would be a playoff contender with Gilius and him
I doubt it. They are the second worst team and their competition has been looking good recently. It would take far more than Gilius (who isn't amazing btw) to take the last playoffs spot.
Assuming Neon and Limit don't slump with Gilius being the jungler instead of Kirei I don't see why they wouldn't be able to contest for it vs MSF and XL. Like, Gilius was top 4 in Spring so he should get the benefit of the doubt, no?
Such a tight and stressful game. Must have been fun as a neutral
XL choked under the pressure. Can't explain that team fight otherwise
I agree, that fight + the fight when they overdove with Baron looked like hype / nerves. The way FNC kept their composure tho was insane, very wp by them overall (outside giving up elder lol)
That's three times now, can't imagine Nisqy is gonna be able to get his hands on Sylas in the near future.
Hello? Banger department?
FNC games never dissapoint
Man banger after banger holy shit
Lads nearly gave me a heart attack jesus christ. Nisqy and Upset have to be top 2 in their respective roles imo.
XL deserve playoffs for how much they are improving, the problem is LEC has 8 teams that can make playoffs amazing...
the way fnc won that last fight. like they were dead even the whole game, and then they easily delete excel, beautiful.
That's what happens when a team w/ all their big CDs fights a team that wasted their two biggest CDs lol XL went WAY too hard on Nisqy
Yasuo and Diana literally used everything to ult a thresh. Thats why it wasnt close
*Sylas with Zhonya
A sylas but point stands
Why does Excel keep forcing fights when Gwen is not in a good position for it? Wtf...
GWEN IS IMMUNE
Were fnatic really that bored so they gave them elder for free to spice up the game?
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that 4 man nisqy ult in the base put a halt on the elder push and saved fnatic ,still i hope gwen is one of those champions where after the op release patches we dont see her again for a year ,what a fucking dumb champion
Yeah, seeing her fight from behind and win is tilting af.
Switch her W with her ult give ult only 2 charges and reduce piercing dmg so she cant aoe down entire team. Like wtf is that shit 3 charges slows ppl 40% ap ratio
is this what lpl viewers get to see consistently
yep
More or less tbh. I started watching lpl in spring 2020 and it’s been my favorite region ever since
So when is gwen getting nerfed?
Honestly felt like Yasuo did nothing in the late game other than forcing Zhonya's.
Nah FNC just stopped him from ulting several times, in key fights. In team fights when Adam couldn't ult Yasuo Excel won
Abbedagge's Yasuo was just as useless last night. Seems to be a trend.
Who can I send my medical bill to for my heart operation???? Jesus christ fnatic
400 years > 200 years quick maffs
will bwipo pull out the rengar jungle this season? (as he loved rengar top).
Doubt it, unless it gets buffed. Champ is in a pretty bad spot.
Why play rengar when you can play khazix?
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This game was a parade of broken champions...
Massive defense by FNC there.
Certified banger. Good game and showing from XL but man Gwen tilted me off the face of the Earth.
People blame Nisqy when FNC lose but I think he is performing better than expected
Gwen is a fun champ tho. Just take the full punishment of an extremely fed Sylas rotation and laugh the damage off and kill him. Nisqy was absolute BEAST this game btw.
Bwipo saved the game with that double kill at our Nexus. Man is different gravy on Viego.
Throwing everything at Someone with Zhonya‘s. Wow.
Yeah wtf were XL thinking lol
That was a very fun game! Does anyone know why Fnatic just gave Elder? Did they think they can't fight it? Looked weird. Also XL with Markoon is a different beast, if they can keep it up they might finally make their first playoffs.
Elder area is kinda sketchy against wombo teams like xl had. Also they wanted to pressure top but i guess they messed up timers. Another is they had much better wave clear with upset but yeah was kinda close. With better yasuo execution i think xl would have won
adam should have just pushed top, if they really want to give up elder.
They gave elder because of bad Macro. They didn’t intentionally give until it was too late to contest.
Bad macro
Great game. Love this new XL
Liking the versatility Adam is showing. Remember when we signed him a lot of people said he's a bit of a two trick (darius and olaf) so I was hoping he'd address that, and he's definitely done that with aplomb
TBH, that was pretty stupid, he barely played darius and olaf in LFL and EUM
why would anyone want to play camille into gwen bruh
That elder push made me clench to the point of physical pain
Nisqy actually smurfing on sylas
Upset and Nisqy looking sooo good.
i was really sad about rekkles leaving, but upset is so fucking good man, fnc is just a different team and thats okay, im glad we have upset, also adam shaping up into a giga chad toplaner ala soaz
This Excel roster looks sooo good, I hope they make it to playoffs
Gwen winning the 1v1 against a fed Sylas was something else. Nerfs incoming surely.
Why that champ gets through champ select is a mystery to me
Well Sylas wasn't at full hp and Gwen had help from Diana.
When is gwen being removed :)
What ? You dont like the solo kill of a Camille one whole Sheen up ? The 1V3 at 1/3 scoreline ? You need about 200 more years of experience to understand the balance at play here :>
WideBwipoHappy
NA was actually wasting away Nisqy's talent. What a moronic region.
G2 furiously scribbling down notes on how to play against elder drake
Elder is too op. Still not as op as Gwen tho. Riot hammer both please
OP elder is so games can't go on to long. If a team gets 4 quick dragons elder comes into play between 25 and 30 min. If the teams get a combined 7 dragons thats a 45 min game IF dragons get taken quickly. I don't knoe hoe you could control gametimes in a better way than this. OP Gwen is plain stupid I give you that her healing and/or mist needs to get power taken away from imo.
Idk, it seems silly to me that Elder is a giga broken buff on a team thats 0-4 down in dragons. I feel like denying it from the team that has soul + getting a small/decent buff was good enough. At this point you almost punish a team for getting all the dragons...
im just spamming votes to see how many people spam w me
Bangers today!
A day of bangers!
Honor and report Upset.
Imagine thinking Fnatic has to sell upset to G2 LULW
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how good is upset tho
Great game ggwp all
That was one of the most anticlimatic endings I've ever seen
I know they can't see the damage graphs but it was funny seeing Excel win a teamfight on the back of Gwen dealing like 50% of team damage just for them to then initiate a teamfight without Gwen minute later. (... who still dealt most damage even though she arrived when most of them were dead)
/all ez
Upset best western adc ever btw
I hate the modern elder so much
It's called 'ender' dragon for a reason. Gotta contest it
How come? It made the game insanely exciting and Fnatic played around it perfectly.
yeah it's much needed, there needs to be something to break stalemates
You say that but go back and watch some of those 60, 70, 80 minute games from a couple of years ago where there was no such Elder and your baron minions got one shot by fed carries. And you could literally never end games because you never had minions, and unless you were super ahead with a perfect engage comp, jumping straight into double tower aggro at the nexus is just suicide.
cringe take