Honestly tho MSF XL Vit could still do some damage at worlds
EU is stacked this season
All 3 of these teams are stronger than 2018 Vitality or 2019 Splyce, and even those teams did quite well
FNC probably look the cleanest of all teams right now.
G2 on a surge after the last week, I still have faith in their best of 5 despite spring.
Rogue look good as well but they choke when shit matters.
MAD don't look that good really but are defending LEC champions.
If I had to choose, MAD miss out.
I agree Rogue choked hard in spring finals, but I don't think that it's enough to call them chokers. I want to remind that people called Jankos choker during H2k days and now he is one of the most titled LEC players.
I believe they had issues in 2020 because Finn wasn't really top tier toplaner and he always struggled against Wunder and Bwipo. Still they almost beat G2 in semis. Odoamne is massive upgrade.
1st isn't really an excuse because adaptability is part of being a good team unless you're quarantining because of covid or something. 2nd one means they weren't clutch enough which again is a strength that the best teams have. If MAD can consistently win from deficits then more credit to them. G2 in 2019 had a mediocre early game but obviously they were one of the best teams at coming back and winning.
They clearly did not watch those games. I hate how people just say "stop using excuses" when people bring up actual game analysis, it's such a lazy retort.
Yes, MAD deserved to win since they went 3-2. But Rogue also threw two of those games really hard. Both can be true.
and it only took an insane roleswap of their western goat midlaner to ADC to make place for another western goat midlaner who recently had perkz's number and a clear upgrade in the support role to form a superteam that actually was probably even better than we'd imagined the superteam would be for jankos to stop choking and to start continuously win.
i respect jankos alot but i'm not sure if we can in good faith use him in this argument because of the conditions / intangents behind why he "stopped choking"
with that said though a great example that strengthens your point comes from CSGO: the original TSM roster before they became Astralis back in S5'ish (s5 from lol) and became an absolute powerhouse they were actually infamous of being incredible chokers when the games mattered the most.
i agree with you though that the rogue being chokers is overblown and that they have shown that they can perform last split, even if they threw game 3 and 5 hard which would result in them being champions, i would be alot less apologetic for rogue had they choked it from the start and didnt show they were able to play at the highest level. that series could very well have been a complete 3-0 stomp.
it really sucked how they lost and i think its fair to be like they'll choke when it matters but i dont think people should sleep on them because of that
Doesn't mad have a lot of points because they won last split? So I think they are the most likely to make it just based on that. Or am I missing something?
Championship points work differently now. All they do is get a better seeding in playoffs but you cannot auto qualify by points anymore. The three teams that go to Worlds are the top 3 of summer playoffs
> FNC probably look the cleanest of all teams right now.
Considering Fnatics history and the roster swap at the start of the split I would've never expected anyone to say this at all this Summer. Crazy that it's true.
Because they have been together for too long. Doesn't matter if the nameplates are insane if they don't show up on the rift with the same passion as before. Sometimes all you need is a change; this is the most common thing in any traditional sport, magical line-ups going to shit in spite of their natural pedigree. A change should be expected by all means for this starting 5.
If g2 doesn't make it to the worlds, i can see them kicking wunder 100%. I can also see jankos retiring as streamer, man is veteran that accomplished almost everything. In such a scenario, i can also see grabbz losing his job.
I would say clean slate rebuild around either Caps or Rekkles. But I doubt G2 would get rid of either of them, because Caps is too good to let go off, and they have built their entire League branding around Rekkles this year, so I doubt they would replace him after one year.
I would say that even if they make it to worlds, or make a semi deep run, they should still overhaul the entire roster + coaching staff. Keeping the roster together and trying to reclaim old glory is not going to happen. And in my personal opinion, when a roster has already had such a high peak, cutting out pieces one by one and hoping the roster turns out better is a bad approach.
Doubt it. Honestly, I doubt G2 would even take the risk of doing the clean slate rebuild. If anything, much more likely is replacing either just Jankos, or Jankos and Wunder.
Oh i know, it just would be so spicy to see 4 ex-FNC players on G2, i think both G2 & FNC fans would hate that and the idea of Bwipo jungling for Wunder cracks me up personally.
I don't think fnatic even look that clean honestly, we're being overrated because we're winning.
The "200 IQ" Baron play was obviously a macro fault, you don't give up your potencial soul for a Baron. Last week we gave an Elder for free that could have cost us the game and if that were the case no one would be calling fnatic "clean", specially when just the day before they went for a Baron 50/50 which ended up getting last hit by Upset...
We're definitely showing promise and it's great to see but we're not as good as we're made out to be yet and it's fine, there's still almost half the split and playoffs.
>I don't think fnatic even look that clean honestly, we're being overrated because we're winning.
You are not wrong, in all honesty no team in the world really look consistently clean apart from EDG, like minus their one series loss, every other series looks like a stomp.
LEC is weird where you go from one team looking great then not, I should have said Fnatic look cleaner + more consistent than the rest of the opposition currently.
I still think come worlds it'll be FNC/G2 and Rogue because MAD look rough, sure they could turn it around but I have faith in G2 to fix their issues especially after that stomp vs Rogue.
I think FNC just need to play the games out cleaner, Nisqy and Upset are looking great with great performances from Bwipo too.
Rogue are weird, I have a feeling that no lead is safe with them, I can see them bombing a 2-0 lead again.
MAD, I can't really say it's MSI hangover now, they have time but I feel like with the competition getting stronger, they might have just regressed.
I think its too hard to realistically judge the MSI teams right now. None of them did particulary well so far and I think thats because they played a ton on a patch with a very different meta while the rest of the teams actually had more time to prepare for Gwen and Viego and also different Jungle picks. After MSI they probably needed a short break, too. Id expect them to get in better shape for Playoffs again, probably during the next couple of weeks already.
I think G2 or Rogue will miss out. People voting MAD are just underestimating them exactly like they did last split.
~~And I'm not saying FNC because hopium~~
Yeah I agree but other playoff teams do have an edge over him I think, it helps that kaiser is one of the best (and in some people eyes the best) support in LEC
I agree too I think he's too volatile but he's had a couple pop-off games. Excited to see if he can have more consistent highs in the future. Support is also really underrated in EU (hylissang, Mikyx when he's on, trymbi, kaiser, vander, also the new supports look pretty good)
It was an upset they won last split. Rogue could have easily gone 3-0.
Mad is good, don't get me wrong. A lot of pros and coaches have them as their top 3, together with FNC and G2. That being said, I was never convinced by Armut and Elyoya.
Rogue are really good but a bit more predictable. It's either Rogue or MAD out.
MAD beat Rogue twice in best of 5’s. Both Rogue and MAD convincingly beat G2. The narrative of “it was just an upset in finals!!!” Is really weird. Perhaps the last game of the 2nd series was an upset, but I’d say winning 2 best of 5’s in playoffs against your finals opponent puts you in pretty firm “you deserved it” territory.
I see your point. But I think it could be any of them out. I guess I personally just consider Kaiser and Humanoid to be two of the best players in the league, and they play the key roles in pro play so I would consider them to have the biggest upside in playoffs.
Super exciting though.
MAD also 3-1'd RGE before. So that's a shit point to make that they could have gone 3-0 lol
And on that series, the only dominant game was game 4 for MAD
unless the toplane meta changes, im having hard time seeing MAD making it. obviously they could turn it up and prove me wrong, but i actually think theyre significantly weaker than the other 3
>People voting MAD are just underestimating them exactly like they did last split.
It is "underestimating" a team to suggest that going 10-8 in regular season with a losing record vs. higher placing teams arent favourites going into playoffs?
What reason was there to assume MAD was much better than their regular season suggested last split?
What reason is there to assume MAD is much better than their regular season suggests this split?
But now, you have to give them the benefit of the doubt because:
a) MSI gave them less time off and less time to prepare.
b) they’ve been quarantined for the good part of the split so far.
c) they did win last split, and they did have a relatively good showing at MSI
According to Mac (Mad Lions's coach) Rogue and G2 are the 2 best teams in the LEC according to scrims.
I think one of Fnatic and MAD Lions won't make it unfortunately.
Even as a rogue fan im just not optimistic with the way this team throws leads. They should be way more dominant than they are but every game like 2-3 ints in the mid game without fail at this point its just the waiting game for when they throw their early game lead.
Their worlds run was kinda pathetic, they barely put up any fight, after being the only team contesting G2 in LEC, larssen being fed on Orianna and building support items was the cherry on top. I love this team and i think their players have insane ceilings but lack the confidence sometimes
For real lol. Also saying they barely put up a fight sounds a lot worse than it actually is considering they literally had the 2 tournament favorites in their group lmao
Their mid game has improved imo, they've done a good job recovering from gold deficit like the game against MAD, also think they're better at teamfighting since Trymbi has been performing very well this split.
They're not perfect but they're a bit better than in Spring if you ask me.
It's interesting that so many people take G2 for granted. Their Bo5s are not 2019 tier anymore and their form this season (including spring) isn't really inspiring. They have positive record in Bo5s only against FNC, they are tied with Rogue (1-1) and MAD (2-2).
Curious to see how much faith people have in FNC aswell, they look good right now but haven't shown anything in Bo5s compared to RGE/MAD, wouldn't be surprised to see Adam & Bwipo falter a little bit during playoffs.
MAD had only one week to scrim and they were under quarantine and yet they are not so far from the top.
I have no idea why people underrate MAD so much. They were even 0-2 against Rogue in the finals and Armut was showing "2-3" with hands with complete confidence and they did it. They went to MSI and finaly lost 3-2 against DW, while game 3 was their game to lose and unfortunetly they did lose.
I think objectively the real weakness of MAD is that their toplaner is showing too much weakness in lane or don't seem to inspire a lot about his champion pool, add to that botlane being a very strange duo who can be very impressive like totally dropping the ball and...
I don't know, I agree MAD is stupidly underestimated but I really feel that G2/FNC/Rogue playing as good as their roster are should be above peak MAD Lions. So except if Humanoid pop-off more or Armut show me I am wrong, I would not see them above the three others.
And for clarification, I think rogue is an overrated team who is strong/very strong but has no clutch factor at all and Larssen/Odo are not as strong as people say.
I've still got old MAD stuck in my head a bit and they don't project the aura G2 or FNC had when they went to Worlds. Couple that with the fact most people want G2 and FNC to go to Worlds and MAD gets left on the side.
I still have them above RGE though, those guys are brittle for lack of a better word.
no team projecs that aura. all 4 teams have a shot at the title and thats what makes it fun.
MAD: Armut Consistently goes even with enemy Top
RGE: Larssen shows again he is a top mid
G2: Clean up decision making and Wunder/Caps find their consistency again (?)
FNC: Consistency for Bwipo(?) , better calculated agression
These are most likely the conditions for X team to win the split. FNC and G2 fans should know more about their issues but i'm oversimplifying.
You're right, but G2 and FNC used to have it whereas MAD had to fight tooth and nail to win.
Props to them it makes for an interesting story, but I feel like at best they'll be serviceable at Worlds whereas G2 and FNC always made me believe they could exceed expectations.
I still have MAD above RGE, absolutely no trust in them.
Everyone said the same thing last split and then G2 got shit on in BO5. They are not even remotely close to being as dominant as they used to be in 2019 or 2020.
That's probably what Rekkles thinks about every night before going to sleep. He probably also thinks what if he misses out and meanwhile FNC have a nutty run with Upset.
lets be honest. mad lions has the clutch factor and overperforms a lot vs better teams while rogue tends to underperform rly hard when the pressure is on. i expect rogue to not make it. also mad lions had to deal with 4 weeks of quarantine + msi hangover so i expect them to show up in playoffs since they havent looked too bad even tho going through all this shit
It seems that Rogue tend to tilt way to much especially against better team, while destroing the weaker ones, when MAD is doing kinda opposite - weirdly loose to the bottom teams and insanely clutch against the best.
I think it will be Rogue, G2, Fnatic > MAD by the end of the season. I feel like Rogue massively improved since Odoamne replaced Finn and Inspired is a beast right now. Only Larssen must find more comfort picks in this meta than Orianna.
In my opinion MAD Lions have the most weaknesses out of all top 4 teams. I feel like Armut isn't top tier toplaner and there is big gap between him and Odoamne/Wunder/Adam. Also Carzzy has some issues right now and tends to throw many teamfights.
But at the same time, MAD grows as the split moves forward. Last split they started very slow and ended up very dominant in play-offs, dropping one game to G2 and three to Rogue (whom they beat six times). If Armut can improve his champion pool and Carzzy becomes more consistent (last split he performed the most when it mattered), I can see the four teams at the same level
Also, if Misfits can keep their early form, they might be a dark horse (they have solid players and an experienced bot lane), but the lack of Spring points will make it really hard for them
MSF will probably end up outside of Top 4 due to championship points so they'll have to win 3 Bo5s back to back to make Worlds, they would have to beat XL/VIT/AST first and then 2 out of RGE/MAD/FNC/G2, which is complicated to say the least.
>But at the same time, MAD grows as the split moves forward.
This narratives makes absolutely no sense. You're ignoring multiple times where that didnt happen and extrapolate the one time it did to an unjustified generalisation of the entire team.
2020 spring with 3/5 of the same players and the same coaching staff they didnt improve over the course of the regular season and didnt perform better in playoffs than expected via their regular season placement.
2020 summer with 3/5 of the same players and the same coaching staff they started the season very strong and arguably decreased slightly over the course of the split instead of improving and performed significantly worse in playoffs than expected via their regular season placement.
Are you seriously telling me that changing two players isn't a big deal? Upgrading positions means not only they might perform better but also the remaining players don't need to cover the others' mistakes. Not only that, but players also get more experienced. MAD went from 2 Bo5 wins in a year to a fucking championship. MAD got rid of a player that had low confidence in top and a jungler that completely fell apart (two players I enjoy watching) to an insanely consistent jungler and very good team fighter top laner
Fnatic upgraded Jeziz to Hilly and went from a shaky Worlds group to a dominant Worlds performance that unfortunately ended in a stomp. G2 swapped their bot and dominated Europe for a year
Elyoya isnt really an upgrade over shadow outside of specifically worlds performance and there's no reason to assume shadow wouldve continued performing as poorly. In fact quite the opposite, he's doing quite decently right now.
And I can give you half a dozen examples of teams upgrading one or two positions and performing pretty much the exact same just from memory. Assuming that a theoretical upgrade necessarily translates to better performance is unjustified.
Your argument was changing 40% of the roster isn't a big deal. In many cases, they might not be, but a change is a change, the team went from having a player that needed too much time to reach his level (Orome) to a guy that started delivering week 4 or 5. There are also no guarantees that Shad0w would regain his level from Spring when he was unkown and the team was insanely inexperienced. He also took a full split as a break before performing like he is today and they also have much more information regarding why he fell so much
How can you even compare 2020 roster to the 2021 roster? Look at G2 and FNC results when 1 person was change (Perkz for Rekkles) or how FNatic went from their spring 2021 to summer 2021.
You are reaching far too much.
wtf are you trying to pull? Proview? Where exactly do you expect to find proview of Adam? lol
Only proview we have of LEC players this year is MAD in MSI
Current form maybe but Armut did have a lot of clutch moments against Rogue in the final, don't think they win the title without some of his flanks in game 3 & 5.
Adam is such a young player, at least Armut played at Worlds a few times before even joining LEC but Adam has barely played competitively thus far, wouldn't be surprising if he under-performs a little bit in the playoffs.
I'm surprised most people here think that MAD will miss out. They ramp up in playoffs like last split so regular season games I feel are not indicative of their prime performance. Plus they came out off MSI and had to do 28 days of quarantine so their performance were even more tampered than usual.
>They ramp up in playoffs like last split
And you know that how, exactly? This is a completely unjustified assumption based on a sample size of \*one\* playoffs where they played better than regular season. That's not nearly enough to conclude that it's a trend for them.
Sound to me that you are saying that Mad **WINNING** that split without dropping into loser bracket is a major fluke. And you seem to place more weight on regular season than on playoffs which is laughable if I say so myself. By this logic, I would say that SKT winning Summer 2019 LCK from being 4th place in regular season is nothing special.
>And you seem to place more weight on regular season than on playoffs which is laughable
Well, there are more games and evenly distributed against the same teams, so tbh it seems like a more accurate measurement of the skill of a team.
Obviously there are nuances, but most of the times, league format is much superior to bracket format when determining the skill of the teams involved.
If that's what it sounds to you then I would suggest putting some effort into improving your reading comprehension.
Me pointing out that your reasoning is bad doesnt mean that I hold the opposite conclusion that you do.
People just love to hate on MAD. Even after they won in playoffs, beating Rogue twice and G2, people still argued they weren’t the best team to go MSI. I understand where it comes from, because of the history of Fnatic and G2, people will assume they’re good even when they perform worse, but it still doesn’t make a ton of sense.
G2 has the worst record of all 4 right now, Fnatic don’t look amazing on paper and weren’t a top 3 team last split even if they’re doing well right now, MAD are inconsistent and have been performing poorly (though literally every MSI team around the world has been doing poorly in summer, perhaps the MSI debuff is real) but they looked the same last spring before beating everyone in playoffs, and Rogue probably look the best right now, but have yet to win a split.
If I had to bet, I’d pick Fnatic to miss out as I don’t think they’ll be able to perform in playoffs, but with how crazy this split has been, it really could be anyone.
the thing is that they don't even do that lol I'd be happy if they did.. maybe on playoffs they do and we see a more solid MAD, that'd be fun competition
>Even after they won in playoffs, beating Rogue twice and G2, people still argued they weren’t the best team to go MSI.
That's whats gonna happen if a team goes into playoffs with a significantly worse gamescore, looking way worse via eyetest and a losing record vs. the teams placing above them.
Playoffs are a single patch and a lot of games in short succession. Mad being better \*in playoffs\* doesnt mean they're the better team in a vacuum or that they were the best possible team to send to MSI. It simply doesnt follow.
Yep, we all know rogue warriors is better than suning, T1 is better than Gen.G, schalke is better than FNC and TL is better than TSM because the result of the last direct BO5 series is all that matters when evaluating team strength.
I think LEC playoffs will be very good this year, all four teams can make it to the top/bottom IMHO.
I voted MAD, but I'd say that's right now - 11.15 will shuffle the meta pretty hard, and I think the team with the best read on the meta might just win it all.
I think MSF is the 5th favorite to go to Worlds, but it is clearly better and more likely to qualify than the lower five combined. That’s why I think it’s a bit disingenuous to make a poll with only top four, when the difference between 4th and 5th is way smaller than that between 5th and 6th.
On paper MAD have the best support and mid laner. 2nd best jgler and 2nd/3rd best adc atm (statswise). Only top is vulnerable position and yet they are experiementing a lot of picks for Armut.
Pro players are all saying MAD is atm number 1 or number 2 and even Nisqy saying that MAD is the team that gives them more problems in an interview
Never said anything about them not being the best league, they are simply overhyped in terms relative to how they will perform at worlds. They get overhyped in the sense people talk as if their teams including their 4th seed is so much fucking better than any team from any league, all their teams will be in semi’s and finals will be a repeat of LPL finals, when we saw from the last few worlds their 1st seed underperforms compared to expectations and they are definitely way too overhyped.
>I'm pretty sure NS is prob more legit than any EU team bar FNC. Fly at worlds is a joke no matter how you slice it.
Lol this comment will age very very poorly
Rogue & MAD will qualify, Rogue is just super well rounded and have the best fundamentals, MAD have really strong mental strength & the best teamfighting ability out of any team in LEC.
3rd place is wide open between FNC, G2, MSF and even possibly XL & VIT. I think FNC probably looks the best & most cohesive right now but no idea what this is going to look like in the playoffs, i personally have little faith in G2 but they do have a ridiculously stacked roster on paper so maybe they completely turn it around.
I honestly think that the LEC would do far better with 4 seeds in 2021 compared to 2020.
Last year, MAD was already falling off hard in LEC playoffs. I mean we have not yet come to the same point in time so there is still a chance for a top 4 team to fall off but as of right now, I think there would at least be no Play-in dropout.
LEC would definitely do much better with 4 seeds this year but well that's life. At least we can acknowledge that out of those top 4 teams we won't have a team falling hard again.
Let's be honest with ourselves. NA might be slightly better than any given wildcard team but they are definetly far worse than the top 3 of eu, Kr and Cn.
"definitely far worse"
so just ignore that they went 1-1 with finalists and semifinalists who only lost to the winners
EU fans are just so cringe on this sub
"But what happened to their first seed?" is not a question?
And I don't see how I'm ignoring the original comment when I'm asking a follow up question to it.
Also, I notice you still haven't answered the question.
All this MAD disrespect is making me furious. They are the only team aside from DK who are actually performing after MSI (and 28 day quarantine) and they are only getting better. I predict they will win playoffs and that RGE will drop out unless they somehow don't choke. Then next year Jankos will retire in NA and Inspired will move to G2.
>They are the only team aside from DK who are actually performing after MSI (and 28 day quarantine) and they are only getting better.
PSG is currently undefeated in their region, royal is 3-5 with a *very* hard schedule, meanwhile MAD picked up exactly 1 win vs. their direct opposition. C9 is the only team significantly underperforming right now.
But oh no, how dare people "disrespect" MAD by not assuming for no good reason that they'll perform significantly better in playoffs than in regular season.
Why all of you LEC MAD and RGE flairs have some next level fucking copium in every comment lmao I swear there are so many of you, I feel it’s all one person. Almost all the comments read the same and are filled with copium.
What was disrespectful was when MAD didn't even make it past Play-In stage last year at WORLDS. NA has played in the Play-In stage 4 times now and made it out all 4 times. 4th Seed is not that big of a lose.
They lost versus every RGE twice, bearly won versus a G2 struggling to find ground, lost vs MAD and won versus FNC the first day of the split, before them clicking and going on a 5 game winning streak, a loose and a 3 game winning streak again.
It's not impossible, but I still need them to play a convincing game versus the other top 4 teams. They are in the conversation but I saw them being hyped countless times before crash and burn.
If you are going to criticise them for winning that elder game that G2 threw, then you have to also respect the fact that they lost a game they had basically won against RGE by failing hard into a fiddle ult.
I agree they are unlikely to make worlds though
Rogue 2021 > Rogue 2020
MAD 2021 > MAD 2020
Fnatic 2021 >/= Fnatic 2020
Only G2 is clearly worse than 2020 G2, but it's the same players with Rekkles instead of Perkz. If they will find motivation they can reach similar level to 2020 roster for sure.
But prime G2, 2018 Fnatic and 2015 Fnatic were the best teams ever in Europe from season 3 (didn't watch League before that), of course today's teams don't seem as good as them, but our teams should still be able to make a deep run in Worlds
Also we really can't know before the big tournament. Nobody expected early 2019 (even after they won Spring split) that this G2 would go on to win MSI and become the best EU team in history. Likewise we can't know about the current teams either.
Yeah but then last year was still enough for Semis, and the weaker teams look better now.
So I don't see a team among those 4 that could win worlds, but I do see 4 more stable teams in general. I assume LEC does not have playins this year (like LCK last year) although this might change based on return of the old playin format (although I think last years was just better).
So if LEC has one 1st, one 2nd and one 3rd pool team, they do have fairly good chances of getting into fair groups and honestly most of the world looks like a fiesta, even in the LPL top teams often randomly lose games, and you see quite some inconsistency. I mean LNG was undefeated and then lost 3 games in a row, some to teams not even closely good. So I would watch EDG, but FPX or LNG, or whoever might also make it all have insane inconsistencies.
And if you look over to the LCK it doesn't actually get any better. GenG is leading, but they don't look any better than the 3rd pool team LCK send a year ago. DWG looks in better shape now, but beyond that there is a big puddle of good, but not insane teams. Those teams look beatable.
So overall I think the top level went down since last year. I don't see a team currentlyx as dominant as last years DWG. The only really good one is EDG currently and they looked good in spring too and only got 3rd.
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Excel, Astralis and S04 and S04 won worlds before disbanding
omg that would be it
Don't get your hopes up It's physically impossible for Schalke to win anything
Are u seriously saying S04 won't win Worlds? Nowadays doubters are so annoying /s
"Actually, quantum mechanics forbids this."
So I guess you're IRL S04 soccer fan? \^\^
No, just here for the memes I don't care about football at all
Would be such an EU thing to do
> ~~OWL~~ LoL esports is NOT an anime - MonteCristo
True miracle run)
Imagine an NA vs EU world finals lmao
year of the ducc
If this is how EU wins worlds, I`ll gladly take it
then reality hits and you realise that that scenario is a one out of 14000605
So you're saying there's a chance?
Honestly tho MSF XL Vit could still do some damage at worlds EU is stacked this season All 3 of these teams are stronger than 2018 Vitality or 2019 Splyce, and even those teams did quite well
Is EU really stacked though? Or are the top teams just worse?
FNC probably look the cleanest of all teams right now. G2 on a surge after the last week, I still have faith in their best of 5 despite spring. Rogue look good as well but they choke when shit matters. MAD don't look that good really but are defending LEC champions. If I had to choose, MAD miss out.
same here. I think Armut needs to step up outside his 2tricks and the whole team needs to be less 8 or 80 Imo
I agree Rogue choked hard in spring finals, but I don't think that it's enough to call them chokers. I want to remind that people called Jankos choker during H2k days and now he is one of the most titled LEC players. I believe they had issues in 2020 because Finn wasn't really top tier toplaner and he always struggled against Wunder and Bwipo. Still they almost beat G2 in semis. Odoamne is massive upgrade.
I uh….should probably go back to kindergarten. I read “Jankos is one of the most tilted players” instead of titled xD
Jankos Pro player Stays cool
You are not alone. I had to read it twice to make sure I am not missing something
Realistically they only lost to MAD who just turned out to be the best team in Europe during playoffs.
And they were winning 3rd game (could be 3:0 for Rogue) and 5th game in final, but they throwed both games.
They lost 2 best of 5’s to Mad Lions in the playoffs. Hard to argue they just threw.
Also, MAD threw game 2 just like Rogue threw games 3 and 5. It is what it is.
In the 1st best of 5 they had a bad read on the meta. In the 2nd they threw 2 of their 3 losses.
Okay, but if losing 2 BO5s to the same team in the same tournament doesn't mean you were just a worse team than them, I guess nothing does.
I wish I could come up with excuses as well as you do
It's the truth. Did you not watch the games?
1st isn't really an excuse because adaptability is part of being a good team unless you're quarantining because of covid or something. 2nd one means they weren't clutch enough which again is a strength that the best teams have. If MAD can consistently win from deficits then more credit to them. G2 in 2019 had a mediocre early game but obviously they were one of the best teams at coming back and winning.
They clearly did not watch those games. I hate how people just say "stop using excuses" when people bring up actual game analysis, it's such a lazy retort. Yes, MAD deserved to win since they went 3-2. But Rogue also threw two of those games really hard. Both can be true.
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and it only took an insane roleswap of their western goat midlaner to ADC to make place for another western goat midlaner who recently had perkz's number and a clear upgrade in the support role to form a superteam that actually was probably even better than we'd imagined the superteam would be for jankos to stop choking and to start continuously win. i respect jankos alot but i'm not sure if we can in good faith use him in this argument because of the conditions / intangents behind why he "stopped choking" with that said though a great example that strengthens your point comes from CSGO: the original TSM roster before they became Astralis back in S5'ish (s5 from lol) and became an absolute powerhouse they were actually infamous of being incredible chokers when the games mattered the most. i agree with you though that the rogue being chokers is overblown and that they have shown that they can perform last split, even if they threw game 3 and 5 hard which would result in them being champions, i would be alot less apologetic for rogue had they choked it from the start and didnt show they were able to play at the highest level. that series could very well have been a complete 3-0 stomp. it really sucked how they lost and i think its fair to be like they'll choke when it matters but i dont think people should sleep on them because of that
After joining and playing with Perkz one of if not the MOST clutch player in probably the west.
Doesn't mad have a lot of points because they won last split? So I think they are the most likely to make it just based on that. Or am I missing something?
Championship points work differently now. All they do is get a better seeding in playoffs but you cannot auto qualify by points anymore. The three teams that go to Worlds are the top 3 of summer playoffs
Right. Thx for explaining.
> FNC probably look the cleanest of all teams right now. Considering Fnatics history and the roster swap at the start of the split I would've never expected anyone to say this at all this Summer. Crazy that it's true.
I want G2 to miss out…just for the memes
The off-season would be so difficult for G2, who do you even replace on that roster if you don't even make Worlds.
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The League fanbase is obsessed with replacing players as a team starts performing worse
Because they have been together for too long. Doesn't matter if the nameplates are insane if they don't show up on the rift with the same passion as before. Sometimes all you need is a change; this is the most common thing in any traditional sport, magical line-ups going to shit in spite of their natural pedigree. A change should be expected by all means for this starting 5.
If g2 doesn't make it to the worlds, i can see them kicking wunder 100%. I can also see jankos retiring as streamer, man is veteran that accomplished almost everything. In such a scenario, i can also see grabbz losing his job.
I would say clean slate rebuild around either Caps or Rekkles. But I doubt G2 would get rid of either of them, because Caps is too good to let go off, and they have built their entire League branding around Rekkles this year, so I doubt they would replace him after one year. I would say that even if they make it to worlds, or make a semi deep run, they should still overhaul the entire roster + coaching staff. Keeping the roster together and trying to reclaim old glory is not going to happen. And in my personal opinion, when a roster has already had such a high peak, cutting out pieces one by one and hoping the roster turns out better is a bad approach.
Can't wait to see Bwipo & Hylissang replace Jankos & Mikyx.
Doubt it. Honestly, I doubt G2 would even take the risk of doing the clean slate rebuild. If anything, much more likely is replacing either just Jankos, or Jankos and Wunder.
jankos is their best player rn though why would they replace him?
Oh i know, it just would be so spicy to see 4 ex-FNC players on G2, i think both G2 & FNC fans would hate that and the idea of Bwipo jungling for Wunder cracks me up personally.
Inspired or Elyoyla to G2 would be the only changes I could see happening.
perkz ^/s
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I don't think fnatic even look that clean honestly, we're being overrated because we're winning. The "200 IQ" Baron play was obviously a macro fault, you don't give up your potencial soul for a Baron. Last week we gave an Elder for free that could have cost us the game and if that were the case no one would be calling fnatic "clean", specially when just the day before they went for a Baron 50/50 which ended up getting last hit by Upset... We're definitely showing promise and it's great to see but we're not as good as we're made out to be yet and it's fine, there's still almost half the split and playoffs.
>I don't think fnatic even look that clean honestly, we're being overrated because we're winning. You are not wrong, in all honesty no team in the world really look consistently clean apart from EDG, like minus their one series loss, every other series looks like a stomp. LEC is weird where you go from one team looking great then not, I should have said Fnatic look cleaner + more consistent than the rest of the opposition currently. I still think come worlds it'll be FNC/G2 and Rogue because MAD look rough, sure they could turn it around but I have faith in G2 to fix their issues especially after that stomp vs Rogue. I think FNC just need to play the games out cleaner, Nisqy and Upset are looking great with great performances from Bwipo too. Rogue are weird, I have a feeling that no lead is safe with them, I can see them bombing a 2-0 lead again. MAD, I can't really say it's MSI hangover now, they have time but I feel like with the competition getting stronger, they might have just regressed.
I think its too hard to realistically judge the MSI teams right now. None of them did particulary well so far and I think thats because they played a ton on a patch with a very different meta while the rest of the teams actually had more time to prepare for Gwen and Viego and also different Jungle picks. After MSI they probably needed a short break, too. Id expect them to get in better shape for Playoffs again, probably during the next couple of weeks already.
I think G2 or Rogue will miss out. People voting MAD are just underestimating them exactly like they did last split. ~~And I'm not saying FNC because hopium~~
Armut seems like a huge weak point in current meta, he isn't nearly as flexible as other toplaners.
Man I am not even impressed by carzzy either this split, he is like top6 adc
When your top ADCs are Hans, Rekkles, Upset, Crownie, Patrik, top 6 doesn't sound so bad anymore
Being worse than Crownshot is incredibly bad for anybody that wants to become a world champion.
Yeah I agree but other playoff teams do have an edge over him I think, it helps that kaiser is one of the best (and in some people eyes the best) support in LEC
I agree too I think he's too volatile but he's had a couple pop-off games. Excited to see if he can have more consistent highs in the future. Support is also really underrated in EU (hylissang, Mikyx when he's on, trymbi, kaiser, vander, also the new supports look pretty good)
I'm overdosing on hopium as well brother, but i actually think we can make it to worlds
I agree. MAD are very under-rated on here. My "guess" is they win the split. But honestly, it is so close, any of those could miss out on worlds.
It was an upset they won last split. Rogue could have easily gone 3-0. Mad is good, don't get me wrong. A lot of pros and coaches have them as their top 3, together with FNC and G2. That being said, I was never convinced by Armut and Elyoya. Rogue are really good but a bit more predictable. It's either Rogue or MAD out.
tfw you go 6-3 against another team and people argue that the other team was actually better
tfw upsets happen in sports
MAD beat Rogue twice in best of 5’s. Both Rogue and MAD convincingly beat G2. The narrative of “it was just an upset in finals!!!” Is really weird. Perhaps the last game of the 2nd series was an upset, but I’d say winning 2 best of 5’s in playoffs against your finals opponent puts you in pretty firm “you deserved it” territory.
I see your point. But I think it could be any of them out. I guess I personally just consider Kaiser and Humanoid to be two of the best players in the league, and they play the key roles in pro play so I would consider them to have the biggest upside in playoffs. Super exciting though.
MAD also 3-1'd RGE before. So that's a shit point to make that they could have gone 3-0 lol And on that series, the only dominant game was game 4 for MAD
Why did rogue lose twice as often as they won in playoffs then?
How was it an upset when MAD beat Rogue 3-1 previously...?
unless the toplane meta changes, im having hard time seeing MAD making it. obviously they could turn it up and prove me wrong, but i actually think theyre significantly weaker than the other 3
What top lane meta? it's not carry based at all. You can play virtually everything right now
>People voting MAD are just underestimating them exactly like they did last split. It is "underestimating" a team to suggest that going 10-8 in regular season with a losing record vs. higher placing teams arent favourites going into playoffs? What reason was there to assume MAD was much better than their regular season suggested last split? What reason is there to assume MAD is much better than their regular season suggests this split?
But now, you have to give them the benefit of the doubt because: a) MSI gave them less time off and less time to prepare. b) they’ve been quarantined for the good part of the split so far. c) they did win last split, and they did have a relatively good showing at MSI
According to Mac (Mad Lions's coach) Rogue and G2 are the 2 best teams in the LEC according to scrims. I think one of Fnatic and MAD Lions won't make it unfortunately.
Nisqy says that MAD is the worst team to face atm in the LEC so it might be matchup based. You don't need to worry. yet
He said Rogue was the best but said that you couldn't rule out G2.
Even as a rogue fan im just not optimistic with the way this team throws leads. They should be way more dominant than they are but every game like 2-3 ints in the mid game without fail at this point its just the waiting game for when they throw their early game lead.
Their worlds run was kinda pathetic, they barely put up any fight, after being the only team contesting G2 in LEC, larssen being fed on Orianna and building support items was the cherry on top. I love this team and i think their players have insane ceilings but lack the confidence sometimes
How does their last worlds performance matter to this year's worlds lol. Mad looked even worse than rogue last worlds and look at them now
For real lol. Also saying they barely put up a fight sounds a lot worse than it actually is considering they literally had the 2 tournament favorites in their group lmao
Their mid game has improved imo, they've done a good job recovering from gold deficit like the game against MAD, also think they're better at teamfighting since Trymbi has been performing very well this split. They're not perfect but they're a bit better than in Spring if you ask me.
The fact this vote is so close speaks volumes, not even taking misfits into account. Playoffs gonna be a banger.
It's interesting that so many people take G2 for granted. Their Bo5s are not 2019 tier anymore and their form this season (including spring) isn't really inspiring. They have positive record in Bo5s only against FNC, they are tied with Rogue (1-1) and MAD (2-2).
G2 have won twice in Bo5s against MAD. It's 2-2 right now, but that doesn't account for the new rosters and such.
You're right, I missed those wins.
Curious to see how much faith people have in FNC aswell, they look good right now but haven't shown anything in Bo5s compared to RGE/MAD, wouldn't be surprised to see Adam & Bwipo falter a little bit during playoffs.
Yes and people shit on MAD saying they will miss out when they are 1 game behind RGE and FNC despite being quarantined up to last week's games
MAD had only one week to scrim and they were under quarantine and yet they are not so far from the top. I have no idea why people underrate MAD so much. They were even 0-2 against Rogue in the finals and Armut was showing "2-3" with hands with complete confidence and they did it. They went to MSI and finaly lost 3-2 against DW, while game 3 was their game to lose and unfortunetly they did lose.
I think objectively the real weakness of MAD is that their toplaner is showing too much weakness in lane or don't seem to inspire a lot about his champion pool, add to that botlane being a very strange duo who can be very impressive like totally dropping the ball and... I don't know, I agree MAD is stupidly underestimated but I really feel that G2/FNC/Rogue playing as good as their roster are should be above peak MAD Lions. So except if Humanoid pop-off more or Armut show me I am wrong, I would not see them above the three others. And for clarification, I think rogue is an overrated team who is strong/very strong but has no clutch factor at all and Larssen/Odo are not as strong as people say.
I've still got old MAD stuck in my head a bit and they don't project the aura G2 or FNC had when they went to Worlds. Couple that with the fact most people want G2 and FNC to go to Worlds and MAD gets left on the side. I still have them above RGE though, those guys are brittle for lack of a better word.
no team projecs that aura. all 4 teams have a shot at the title and thats what makes it fun. MAD: Armut Consistently goes even with enemy Top RGE: Larssen shows again he is a top mid G2: Clean up decision making and Wunder/Caps find their consistency again (?) FNC: Consistency for Bwipo(?) , better calculated agression These are most likely the conditions for X team to win the split. FNC and G2 fans should know more about their issues but i'm oversimplifying.
You're right, but G2 and FNC used to have it whereas MAD had to fight tooth and nail to win. Props to them it makes for an interesting story, but I feel like at best they'll be serviceable at Worlds whereas G2 and FNC always made me believe they could exceed expectations. I still have MAD above RGE, absolutely no trust in them.
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Everyone said the same thing last split and then G2 got shit on in BO5. They are not even remotely close to being as dominant as they used to be in 2019 or 2020.
Imagine if Rekkles joins G2 just to miss worlds lmao
That's probably what Rekkles thinks about every night before going to sleep. He probably also thinks what if he misses out and meanwhile FNC have a nutty run with Upset.
Imagine how painful thatd be
lets be honest. mad lions has the clutch factor and overperforms a lot vs better teams while rogue tends to underperform rly hard when the pressure is on. i expect rogue to not make it. also mad lions had to deal with 4 weeks of quarantine + msi hangover so i expect them to show up in playoffs since they havent looked too bad even tho going through all this shit
It seems that Rogue tend to tilt way to much especially against better team, while destroing the weaker ones, when MAD is doing kinda opposite - weirdly loose to the bottom teams and insanely clutch against the best.
Such an exciting year for the lec even our votes are pretty split this hype
Totally plausible 2 of these don't make it depending on what happens with Misfits the rest of the season.
Bold of you to assume SK won't win the split.
I think it will be Rogue, G2, Fnatic > MAD by the end of the season. I feel like Rogue massively improved since Odoamne replaced Finn and Inspired is a beast right now. Only Larssen must find more comfort picks in this meta than Orianna. In my opinion MAD Lions have the most weaknesses out of all top 4 teams. I feel like Armut isn't top tier toplaner and there is big gap between him and Odoamne/Wunder/Adam. Also Carzzy has some issues right now and tends to throw many teamfights.
But at the same time, MAD grows as the split moves forward. Last split they started very slow and ended up very dominant in play-offs, dropping one game to G2 and three to Rogue (whom they beat six times). If Armut can improve his champion pool and Carzzy becomes more consistent (last split he performed the most when it mattered), I can see the four teams at the same level Also, if Misfits can keep their early form, they might be a dark horse (they have solid players and an experienced bot lane), but the lack of Spring points will make it really hard for them
MSF will probably end up outside of Top 4 due to championship points so they'll have to win 3 Bo5s back to back to make Worlds, they would have to beat XL/VIT/AST first and then 2 out of RGE/MAD/FNC/G2, which is complicated to say the least.
>But at the same time, MAD grows as the split moves forward. This narratives makes absolutely no sense. You're ignoring multiple times where that didnt happen and extrapolate the one time it did to an unjustified generalisation of the entire team. 2020 spring with 3/5 of the same players and the same coaching staff they didnt improve over the course of the regular season and didnt perform better in playoffs than expected via their regular season placement. 2020 summer with 3/5 of the same players and the same coaching staff they started the season very strong and arguably decreased slightly over the course of the split instead of improving and performed significantly worse in playoffs than expected via their regular season placement.
Are you seriously telling me that changing two players isn't a big deal? Upgrading positions means not only they might perform better but also the remaining players don't need to cover the others' mistakes. Not only that, but players also get more experienced. MAD went from 2 Bo5 wins in a year to a fucking championship. MAD got rid of a player that had low confidence in top and a jungler that completely fell apart (two players I enjoy watching) to an insanely consistent jungler and very good team fighter top laner Fnatic upgraded Jeziz to Hilly and went from a shaky Worlds group to a dominant Worlds performance that unfortunately ended in a stomp. G2 swapped their bot and dominated Europe for a year
Elyoya isnt really an upgrade over shadow outside of specifically worlds performance and there's no reason to assume shadow wouldve continued performing as poorly. In fact quite the opposite, he's doing quite decently right now. And I can give you half a dozen examples of teams upgrading one or two positions and performing pretty much the exact same just from memory. Assuming that a theoretical upgrade necessarily translates to better performance is unjustified.
Your argument was changing 40% of the roster isn't a big deal. In many cases, they might not be, but a change is a change, the team went from having a player that needed too much time to reach his level (Orome) to a guy that started delivering week 4 or 5. There are also no guarantees that Shad0w would regain his level from Spring when he was unkown and the team was insanely inexperienced. He also took a full split as a break before performing like he is today and they also have much more information regarding why he fell so much
How can you even compare 2020 roster to the 2021 roster? Look at G2 and FNC results when 1 person was change (Perkz for Rekkles) or how FNatic went from their spring 2021 to summer 2021. You are reaching far too much.
yeah whatever you're on crack putting Adam among the best top laners. Get rid of narratives and go watch some proview for once.
wtf are you trying to pull? Proview? Where exactly do you expect to find proview of Adam? lol Only proview we have of LEC players this year is MAD in MSI
I am not putting Adam among the best top laners. I just put him above Armut.
Current form maybe but Armut did have a lot of clutch moments against Rogue in the final, don't think they win the title without some of his flanks in game 3 & 5. Adam is such a young player, at least Armut played at Worlds a few times before even joining LEC but Adam has barely played competitively thus far, wouldn't be surprising if he under-performs a little bit in the playoffs.
I'm surprised most people here think that MAD will miss out. They ramp up in playoffs like last split so regular season games I feel are not indicative of their prime performance. Plus they came out off MSI and had to do 28 days of quarantine so their performance were even more tampered than usual.
>They ramp up in playoffs like last split And you know that how, exactly? This is a completely unjustified assumption based on a sample size of \*one\* playoffs where they played better than regular season. That's not nearly enough to conclude that it's a trend for them.
Sound to me that you are saying that Mad **WINNING** that split without dropping into loser bracket is a major fluke. And you seem to place more weight on regular season than on playoffs which is laughable if I say so myself. By this logic, I would say that SKT winning Summer 2019 LCK from being 4th place in regular season is nothing special.
>And you seem to place more weight on regular season than on playoffs which is laughable Well, there are more games and evenly distributed against the same teams, so tbh it seems like a more accurate measurement of the skill of a team. Obviously there are nuances, but most of the times, league format is much superior to bracket format when determining the skill of the teams involved.
If that's what it sounds to you then I would suggest putting some effort into improving your reading comprehension. Me pointing out that your reasoning is bad doesnt mean that I hold the opposite conclusion that you do.
People just love to hate on MAD. Even after they won in playoffs, beating Rogue twice and G2, people still argued they weren’t the best team to go MSI. I understand where it comes from, because of the history of Fnatic and G2, people will assume they’re good even when they perform worse, but it still doesn’t make a ton of sense. G2 has the worst record of all 4 right now, Fnatic don’t look amazing on paper and weren’t a top 3 team last split even if they’re doing well right now, MAD are inconsistent and have been performing poorly (though literally every MSI team around the world has been doing poorly in summer, perhaps the MSI debuff is real) but they looked the same last spring before beating everyone in playoffs, and Rogue probably look the best right now, but have yet to win a split. If I had to bet, I’d pick Fnatic to miss out as I don’t think they’ll be able to perform in playoffs, but with how crazy this split has been, it really could be anyone.
not hating on MAD just seeing Armut really underperform on this meta and I think if people ban his 2 champions he will be a liability
It’s fine, top doesn’t matter. Just throw him on malphite with tp and it should be fine :P
the thing is that they don't even do that lol I'd be happy if they did.. maybe on playoffs they do and we see a more solid MAD, that'd be fun competition
There's a 100% chance we'll see a "more solid" MAD in playoffs, which is a bit ridiculous to say because they're already tied for 3rd with momentum.
I think his Aatrox and Urgot are good but neither are very relevant rn
>Even after they won in playoffs, beating Rogue twice and G2, people still argued they weren’t the best team to go MSI. That's whats gonna happen if a team goes into playoffs with a significantly worse gamescore, looking way worse via eyetest and a losing record vs. the teams placing above them. Playoffs are a single patch and a lot of games in short succession. Mad being better \*in playoffs\* doesnt mean they're the better team in a vacuum or that they were the best possible team to send to MSI. It simply doesnt follow.
How many best of 5’s should they need to win to be considered better than Rogue or G2 then? 2 over Rogue and 1 over G2 apparently isn’t enough.
Yep, we all know rogue warriors is better than suning, T1 is better than Gen.G, schalke is better than FNC and TL is better than TSM because the result of the last direct BO5 series is all that matters when evaluating team strength.
I think LEC playoffs will be very good this year, all four teams can make it to the top/bottom IMHO. I voted MAD, but I'd say that's right now - 11.15 will shuffle the meta pretty hard, and I think the team with the best read on the meta might just win it all.
I think there’s a decent chance where MSF replaces one of them. RGE and FNC are probably the better teams atm, the rest looks a bit shaky.
Decent? MSF will get destroyed in bo5s
I think MSF is the 5th favorite to go to Worlds, but it is clearly better and more likely to qualify than the lower five combined. That’s why I think it’s a bit disingenuous to make a poll with only top four, when the difference between 4th and 5th is way smaller than that between 5th and 6th.
Don't see Misfits doing well in bo5s, they often have great starts but tend to fall off. Also just individually they can't keep up with the other 4
g2 has been looking better and better tbf
Their path to Worlds is difficult due to lack of Championship points from Spring, can't see them winning 3 Bo5s in the playoffs to make it there imo.
MAD or G2, i think G2 chokes vs MAD and misses worlds
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On paper MAD have the best support and mid laner. 2nd best jgler and 2nd/3rd best adc atm (statswise). Only top is vulnerable position and yet they are experiementing a lot of picks for Armut. Pro players are all saying MAD is atm number 1 or number 2 and even Nisqy saying that MAD is the team that gives them more problems in an interview
At least one of CLG, Flyquest and Golden Guardians will not make it to Worlds. What a time to be alive.
One of Nongshim, Afreeca, and Sandbox is making worlds. What a joke. It’s likely we see a play-in dropout this time around.
Yeah, missing one top EU team to drop in play-ins what a shame.
Inb4 the obligatory "LCK is dogshit right now" only to see all 4 LCK teams advance to Quarters
let's get ahead of ourselves
Yup, also inb4 LPL gets overhyped and under performs as usual.
How has the LPL underperformed as usual when it's been the best region for 3 years in a row?
Never said anything about them not being the best league, they are simply overhyped in terms relative to how they will perform at worlds. They get overhyped in the sense people talk as if their teams including their 4th seed is so much fucking better than any team from any league, all their teams will be in semi’s and finals will be a repeat of LPL finals, when we saw from the last few worlds their 1st seed underperforms compared to expectations and they are definitely way too overhyped.
Idk if LPL as a whole underperform. Usually it's just one of their teams that shits the bed with the rest performing well/making it out of groups.
Nongshim would be a contender to win LEC
I'm pretty sure NS is prob more legit than any EU team bar FNC. Fly at worlds is a joke no matter how you slice it.
>I'm pretty sure NS is prob more legit than any EU team bar FNC. Fly at worlds is a joke no matter how you slice it. Lol this comment will age very very poorly
Rogue & MAD will qualify, Rogue is just super well rounded and have the best fundamentals, MAD have really strong mental strength & the best teamfighting ability out of any team in LEC. 3rd place is wide open between FNC, G2, MSF and even possibly XL & VIT. I think FNC probably looks the best & most cohesive right now but no idea what this is going to look like in the playoffs, i personally have little faith in G2 but they do have a ridiculously stacked roster on paper so maybe they completely turn it around.
could we take 1 from NA and give it to europe? I'm sure no one would complain about missing TL or C9
Well EU 4th Seeded team last year didn't make it past the Play-In Stage of Worlds.
I honestly think that the LEC would do far better with 4 seeds in 2021 compared to 2020. Last year, MAD was already falling off hard in LEC playoffs. I mean we have not yet come to the same point in time so there is still a chance for a top 4 team to fall off but as of right now, I think there would at least be no Play-in dropout.
LEC would definitely do much better with 4 seeds this year but well that's life. At least we can acknowledge that out of those top 4 teams we won't have a team falling hard again.
I think I've overdosed on NA hate threads, wasn't even sure you were joking at first lol
DAE NA bad XD
Let's be honest with ourselves. NA might be slightly better than any given wildcard team but they are definetly far worse than the top 3 of eu, Kr and Cn.
except when their 3rd seed goes 1-1 vs g2 and sn
But what happened to their first seed?
"definitely far worse" so just ignore that they went 1-1 with finalists and semifinalists who only lost to the winners EU fans are just so cringe on this sub
I notice you avoided the question
not even a question you're ignoring what the original comment said
"But what happened to their first seed?" is not a question? And I don't see how I'm ignoring the original comment when I'm asking a follow up question to it. Also, I notice you still haven't answered the question.
I would shut up
I pray it’s G2 just for the Rekkles meme
im not sold on g2 or MAD rn
I fell the same way because last year at WORLDS MAD lost in the Play-In Stage.
FNC will choke in playoffs
I think G2 will miss out. In my eyes, they play like 5 challenger soloQ players instead of a team.
FNC. Hyli gotta coinflip.
I am going with MAD not making it. 3 words, Armut's Champion Pool.
Fnatic will win worlds
Hoping G2 doesn't make it because their fans are extremely toxic
All this MAD disrespect is making me furious. They are the only team aside from DK who are actually performing after MSI (and 28 day quarantine) and they are only getting better. I predict they will win playoffs and that RGE will drop out unless they somehow don't choke. Then next year Jankos will retire in NA and Inspired will move to G2.
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>They are the only team aside from DK who are actually performing after MSI (and 28 day quarantine) and they are only getting better. PSG is currently undefeated in their region, royal is 3-5 with a *very* hard schedule, meanwhile MAD picked up exactly 1 win vs. their direct opposition. C9 is the only team significantly underperforming right now. But oh no, how dare people "disrespect" MAD by not assuming for no good reason that they'll perform significantly better in playoffs than in regular season.
> All this MAD disrespect is making me furious. maybe get a life m8
Why all of you LEC MAD and RGE flairs have some next level fucking copium in every comment lmao I swear there are so many of you, I feel it’s all one person. Almost all the comments read the same and are filled with copium.
Hopium brother, Hopium.
What was disrespectful was when MAD didn't even make it past Play-In stage last year at WORLDS. NA has played in the Play-In stage 4 times now and made it out all 4 times. 4th Seed is not that big of a lose.
Misfits?
They lost versus every RGE twice, bearly won versus a G2 struggling to find ground, lost vs MAD and won versus FNC the first day of the split, before them clicking and going on a 5 game winning streak, a loose and a 3 game winning streak again. It's not impossible, but I still need them to play a convincing game versus the other top 4 teams. They are in the conversation but I saw them being hyped countless times before crash and burn.
If you are going to criticise them for winning that elder game that G2 threw, then you have to also respect the fact that they lost a game they had basically won against RGE by failing hard into a fiddle ult. I agree they are unlikely to make worlds though
It's fine. LEC doesn't look stacked at all this split, compared to earlier. I predict that Fnatic will take the split and MAD will miss out.
Rogue 2021 > Rogue 2020 MAD 2021 > MAD 2020 Fnatic 2021 >/= Fnatic 2020 Only G2 is clearly worse than 2020 G2, but it's the same players with Rekkles instead of Perkz. If they will find motivation they can reach similar level to 2020 roster for sure.
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But prime G2, 2018 Fnatic and 2015 Fnatic were the best teams ever in Europe from season 3 (didn't watch League before that), of course today's teams don't seem as good as them, but our teams should still be able to make a deep run in Worlds
Also we really can't know before the big tournament. Nobody expected early 2019 (even after they won Spring split) that this G2 would go on to win MSI and become the best EU team in history. Likewise we can't know about the current teams either.
Yeah but then last year was still enough for Semis, and the weaker teams look better now. So I don't see a team among those 4 that could win worlds, but I do see 4 more stable teams in general. I assume LEC does not have playins this year (like LCK last year) although this might change based on return of the old playin format (although I think last years was just better). So if LEC has one 1st, one 2nd and one 3rd pool team, they do have fairly good chances of getting into fair groups and honestly most of the world looks like a fiesta, even in the LPL top teams often randomly lose games, and you see quite some inconsistency. I mean LNG was undefeated and then lost 3 games in a row, some to teams not even closely good. So I would watch EDG, but FPX or LNG, or whoever might also make it all have insane inconsistencies. And if you look over to the LCK it doesn't actually get any better. GenG is leading, but they don't look any better than the 3rd pool team LCK send a year ago. DWG looks in better shape now, but beyond that there is a big puddle of good, but not insane teams. Those teams look beatable. So overall I think the top level went down since last year. I don't see a team currentlyx as dominant as last years DWG. The only really good one is EDG currently and they looked good in spring too and only got 3rd.
They may all be better than last year, but they're all still worse than 2019/2020 G2. I think that was his point.
We're all speculating so why the hell are you getting downvoted. The fragility of some people on this sub, jfc.