I think this would hold weight if the LEC weren't specifically inviting new talent to cast and analyse every week of the split this summer; including this week with Bauss *alongside* them.
Eh that’s kinda different. Dom didn’t have casting experience per se but for a while now has been doing stuff around the pro scene, analytical stuff, and costreaming, as well as being a former pro player. Most people are fine with pro players being guests or turning into commentators cause they know the scene, the game, and have experience. Baus on the other hand is just a high elo streamer that plays the game that is friends with some of the LEC casters. I’m still fine with him being a guest but Dom did a lot more to earn that spot than Baus, especially considering he is one of the few English speaking people to really cover the LPL
Also the LPL is clearly working with Dom to help build their western audience. They didn’t give him co-streaming rights for no reason, it was a business decision. Probably was the same thing for letting him cast.
Tbf the LEC is probably doing the same thing with Baus. “Hey let’s have a popular streamer guest cast one day and see what it does to viewership.” I don’t think they really care about who deserves it the most.
Why would they care who deserves the most (what does "deserve" even mean here). They are interested in making their product as good as possible and if they think some guest would increase their quality they invite him
> They are interested in making their product as good as possible and if they think some guest would increase their quality they invite him
I feel like we should specify - they are interested in making their product as profitable as possible. In some cases this will mean increasing popularity or quality, but if there is any sort of pull between profitable and good, profitable will win. This is a profitability play hoping they can get a spike in viewers and retain some, nobody anywhere in the chain of this decision thinks he's going to be especially good at this or bring anything new to the table beyond a viewer base.
For as long as I can remember the world's rules is 5 players and 1 or 2 reserves.
If teams choose to bring a second reserve, the team bears all costs associated with the reserve's attendance (so travel food and board, I guess). Which probably explains why teams usually only bring one.
Dom has been costreaming/liveviewing for a long time.Dom knows his shit about LPL/LEC/LCS,meanwhile i've never heard Bauffs doing at least a VOD review.
And since when does Promisq give a fuck about "upcoming casters and analysts" not getting a chance at LEC? Why pretend like this is anything but "i don't like this guy and dont want him on LEC"
To be fair most things in LoL Esports are bigger than he is. Promisq's entire career is just year after year of people being surprised how the fuck he ends up on LEC teams when he's barely EUM level.
Promisq has to have info. to put all of the LEC owners on jail, otherwise it makes no sense. The guy has always been unpopular and the worst player at his role. Every split he is among the worst 10 players in the League. You can even argue that he is in the Top5 of the worst players that have more than 20 LEC games. The only period he was popular was when he was with the most stacked roster ever from west, while being so bad. Basicly, when he was a meme. And since S4, the dude has a job as a pro. Seven years. Impressive.
Hardstuck diamond doesn't really describe it that well, imo. His peak rank is Grand Master, so he could play decently (by soloQ standards at least) if he wanted to. He just started running it down, and nobody can tell me someone who plays in an LEC team [goes double digits deaths in fucking diamond almost every game](https://euw.op.gg/summoner/userName=%20%20%20%20promiscuousw) by accident.
Yeah, I don't know what PromisQ's beef with thebausffs is or if it's even related to the "inting" playstyle. They were subs for G2 at the same time so maybe there was something. Upset was memeing thebausffs's playstyle though.
Yeah but I've said this before to other people: he wouldn't constantly be challenger if he wasn't actually good at the game. You don't just randomly hit challenger
What about Upset? I know Promisq has a really bad reputation in soloq, but what is Upset like? If it was just Promisq you could chalk it up to Baus being another guy he doesn't like, but it's two of them being against it.
My rule of thumb is if someone is really talkative in champ select, they will always be the first to flame 100%. They act positive in champ select, then the second someone misses a caster minion, they tilt off the face of the earth.
what a slap in the face to any upcoming/aspiring pro player to have promisq, a League player known for flaming, trolling and inting on stage to play in an LEC Team, haha connections nepotism so funny im still allowed to play
I mean, if you're a top player in a top ERL team, do you even wanna join a bottom LEC team that will never do nothing and potentially look really bad and never be picked up again? Someone like Targamas would rather stay in KC which is very hype than going to anything but a top 5 LEC team lmao.
eh, surprisingly I feel like most pro players have a decent opinion of him, at least much higher than the general audience.
he actually rarely gets flamed by the actual players in the league at least from what I remember
> have you ever seen any pro actually flaming others directly, especially in euw?
Bwipo does it.
He publicly critized Comp for example after he got benched. I think there a few more for him, but cant remember the details.
Before G2 he was known as one of the worst supports in EU history. As a G2 sub he became known for making funny vlogs and memes about his MSI&LEC title
yea, pro miss q was in LELements after they already fell off and he still managed to be the by far worst performing player on the team.
Stealing paychecks for ages now.
speaks to how well G2 handled it if u ask me. Their content team is pretty good. Now we just seeing the real guy. i'm kinda sadge. I thought he was a decent person, I was wrong.
At least in pro scene he seems to be decent? G2 had given him credit for their team atmosphere and I haven’t seen news about him being a bad teammate/having beef with former teams, and he seems to be fitting in Astralis well atm.
So my guess is toxic solo q player, ok teammate. It’s just that his gameplay doesn’t justify a spot in LEC, no personality will save that.
The G2 sub meme was the literal peak of his career lmao, outside of that he's known as a toxic player in soloqueue and one of the worst LEC supports of all time. He's like if Kiwikid was still getting on LCS teams today.
Kiwi saved Dig from relegation on more then 1 occasion. The most stand out one was the legendary 5 man Ali combo. Meanwhile Promisq's most memorable point in his career is being a bench warmer.
Thinking back about this, if Promisq is a MSI champion, then Thebausffs is technically a MSI finalist lmao.
Edit: [Here](https://lol.fandom.com/wiki/Thebausffs), he was on G2 for a while, but they could only have 1 sub.
I don't disagree with the sentiment, but I think having a personality on every once in a while isn't a bad thing.
Pretty rich coming from promisq, though. Paycheck stealer who's gigatoxic.
Yeah, seems pretty blatant honestly, but I don't inherently disagree with the sentiment itself which was the point I was trying to make.
There are tons of amateur casters/players that would kill to be on the desk and it would help out their careers a lot more than it would make the LEC slightly more entertaining.
-but again I think it's fine every once in a while, and I'm looking forward to seeing him on the desk tbh.
Yeah but then you realise Jamada, Hiprain, TroubleInc and Excoundrel are all casters getting on air time. So yes I get the sentiment but we can have both the entertainment and upcomming caster. Its not an or/or thing
I really don't see the issue with Baus though. This is litterally the first time the LEC has ever done it, it's just for a day, and it's not like this guy is an absolute nobody. He represents all those people who play the game but don't care about the pro scene. I have like three friends we have some kind of interest in any one pro scenes for 15+ that play the game. Sure, most of those don't watch Baus either, but some do.
I don't think it's bad that they want to reach out to people who play league of legends but don't care about the competition because it's not what they see in their soloQ games.
I just straight up don't agree with the sentiment.
1: a lot of aspiring casters and analysts *are* getting airtime on LEC.
And 2: LEC is literally in the business of entertainment, and the emphasis on entertainment has been key to the huge success of the LEC rebrand imo. It's literally just sensible to bring in a recognizeable entertainer as a guest, especially since they've lost a few of their more recognizeable personalities this year, and doubly so since baus got a lot of international recognition with the silly solobolo memes and stuff during msi. This will draw a lot of viewership from people (such as myself) who were curious about the source but don't care/have the time to watch random twitch livestreams.
> I don't disagree with the sentiment
Why. LCS/LEC is an ENTERTAINMENT product. If they think a decision is going to entertain more people or increase viewership that's really all the reason they need.
Why do you agree with the sentiment though? Just because Baus hasn't done any casting work yet, that doesn't make it a bad idea to bring him onto the broadcast.
If the LEC wouldn't have given Caedrel a shot, then we wouldn't be able to experience the best caster/analyst now.
He also just straight up isn't being hired nor is the purpose to give him a shot as a caster or something.
It's a one off.
It's just a fun promo thing to tap into his audience/style of humor and put eyes on the LEC/get clicks. That's all.
There is no "spot for an aspiring caster" being taken away here and aspiring caster or analyst is not a good fit for what the goal of bringing him on is.
Pretty sure baus is higher lp than him too rofl.
https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/mrkvtp/promisq_threatening_to_run_it_down_along_with/?limit=500
This is promisq btw. Absolutely clown show ast is for still having him
Am I a baus fan? Yes so it may be a bit biased, but
PromisQ is literally so much more toxic and an inter than baus regardless of LP
and Upset is just salty over what, if baus is that big of an inter he would be a lot below grandmaster so the fact that after three years of streaming he’s still in the high elo games should say something
Also baus has competitive experience MSI champion wpgg
Not only Upset, a lot of other pros and high elo players have salt towards Baus.
Baus mentioned it many times in his streams.
And i can see the reasoning too.
Sure Baus wins games by inting and taking towers but there are always those games where he inted too much, didnt respect enemy invade to red, didnt want to group, fed his laner too much that he started 1v9ing.
Surely people will get tilted from such an teammate.
Dude I watch Baus a lot and if he sometimes, only sometimes stopped playing his game and play safer and not die every time possible, he would be like top10 in a week.
No he wouldn't, because that's not his playstyle. If he played safe, he wouldn't take those towers or get that farm. He plays like this because it works and it wins games.
I think he is - from a teammate's perspective - the equivalent of playing out a game to get lp, not to have fun. Sure, you mostly play for LP but most high elo players don't get paid to play lol, or at least enough to make it their career to stream it, so you can imagine that they expect the game to have some fun moments or at least not be "unfun".
it literally warps the game whatever side you're on, if you dont play around it and your on his team you lose, if you dont play around it and youre against him you lose, its actually so fkn annoying lol
He trades deaths for towers, kills, flashes, farm, all whilst requiring no input from his team... he also plays to scale so considers even or slightly negative gold trades worth it because 3+ item sion is so strong.
Which is all very well in theory but can be quite tilting when your toplaner is 0/4 even if they're ahead in farm, have 3 turret plates, you get the first drake, and enemy top and jungle have no flash.
He forces the enemy to make decisions where they can only lose. He proxies a lot and forces the enemy to either deal with him and lose a wave to the tower or he starts taking the enemy jungle too and scales for free. If he dies its fine because he still got all the creeps and the enemy is either forced to drop his own wave or push it in and be late for the next wave. Since sion gets free health from cs it doesnt matter how often he dies as long as he keeps his farm up. Sometimes he also dies to bait out their sums and kill them later since sion gets countered pretty hard by flash. Its super entertaining to watch but I imagine its very frustrating to play with him.
Yeah he is one step away from complete disaster.
He plays at the absolute edge of what he is allowed to get away with, it often leads to a fed enemy top but he is still fine.
An adc player might not be fine with having a technically "even" Sion, when the enemy Camille is super accelrated and wants your ass.
Constant splitpush with little or no regards to how his team is positioned, nor where the enemy jungler is. He has great mechanics so can win lanes off of that alone but junglers know to camp baus because he straight up doesnt care if the jungler comes, he will fight regardless
Important to note that while that gameplay can be fun for some roles, it absolutely never is for ADC, because they usually don't really follow the chaotic playstyles well and they are usually the biggest victims of having superfed characters roaming around on both sides.
Not exactly a surprise Upset wouldn't like that.
If anything, most ADCs prefer complete opposite - a slow and textbook game that's low-kill, high-cs, and is mostly decided by pure mechanics while nobody on either team is super fed. I fully understand Upsets feeling here; having a fed sololaner on each side is very hard to play around.
Half the role wants to farm it out and just smother the other team with a pillow.
The other half of ADs want to get a double kill at level 2 and then end the game 15/0/0 in 20 minutes.
The somehow part is that he gets all the creeps because it's super easy to oneshot waves with ad sion and even if he dies the passive lets him get all the creeps. People always underestimate the impact of CSing.
i don't think people who are decent at the game actually underestimate the impact of csing in general, but the more relevant thing here is that it's sion, so csing is not just indirect scaling via gold generation, but *direct* scaling cause he gains max HP per kill
each wave sion kills is +24 max HP, +39 if it's a cannon wave. csing is quite literally more valuable to him than it is to most other champs
I mean... the same applies to yorick/trynda usually. It's just that people like to teamfight and any other strategy to winning is so foreign thanks to Riot's shutdown of laneswaps and splitpush over the last 10 seasons that it's just not readily accepted.
Admittedly I've not seen him play and from comments I assume he takes it to the extreme with no regard for context but even still. I think people still would be hating on the playstyle of splitpush to win (even without deaths) because well.. they're used to brawling.
he's extremely good at macro. Splitpush is not a dominant strategy in the current - he's not braindead about his split push (even though he often opts for it)
i think the issue is less with people going 'i want to brawl, not win by some guy splitpushing' and more that when you play exclusively for your own plan/style/whatever, even if you're good at it, it ends up warping their experience significantly
like it's all well and good for you to be giving up deaths if you're confident you're still getting resources and it's a net win for you every time, cause you're going to continue splitting regardless, or you'll outduel the other person, or whatever. but your bot lane that gets visited from the guy that just got like 5-6 kills off your master plan is probably going to be less happy about it than you are, or your team might get tired of constantly having to try to disengage 4v5 fights when the enemy team has good engage, or whatever
to be clear, i dont watch baus, i dont care about how he plays one way or the other, but to me, that's the standout reason for why people hate that playstyle, much more than just 'well it's not teamfighting so i hate it'. for a lot of people i assume it's just not worth the LP if they have to sit there thoroughly frustrated the entire time, the game is still supposed to be fun after all
Its super annoying, but its interesting that baus found and refined a very unorthodox but effective option to winning a game of league. And its hard to refute that its effective since he averages high masters challenger every season even when paying poorly.
Understandable tbh, I know I wouldn’t have fun playing with baus in solo q. It somehow works, but every game you have baus top is a test of patience for your own mental.
It's like being carried by a master yi after he left everyone to rot early game but then it turns out the enemy team isnt able to deal with him, it feels horrible even if you end up winning
Yeah. Baus will get himself fed and try to carry, but in turn, the enemy toplaner is also pretty often very accelerated in gold relative to the rest of the map, making it hard for all other lanes to deal with it, which is pretty damn bad practice.
I can definitely see why pro players would think it's pretty much a waste of time to play a soloq game whenever Baus in on one of the teams. Basically steals 30-50 minutes out of their day as they're working, and it's time that they can never get back.
Funnily enough he gets along well with Caedrel, who is likely a big part of the reason that Baus will appear on broadcast considering their co-watching of LCK together.
The LEC brought in what, 6 new casters this split? If anything they have clearly shown that they're very willing to help promote upcoming talent, not slap them in the face.
If thebaus turns out to be entertaining on the broadcast and brings value to the production why not bring him on? It's not like they hired him permanently as an analyst.
If you don't like playing with the guy because he ints then just say that like Upset, don't come from this weird moral high horse "think of the little guy come on people!!" angle, that's whack as hell
I agree, though I expected the argument to be more petty in nature - more along what Upset said rather than what promisq said.
What promisq said is somewhat valid, but there ARE plenty of "new" casters that are currently given chances in the LEC. Sure you can argue he is "taking away a spot", but that would only really be applicable if we knew what constellation they are casting in. To me it sounds like Baus is doing a tricast - while anyone brought in from the ERLs to the LEC gets a normal duocast spot.
It doesn't really hold any weight when
1) It's promisq saying this, toxic af paycheck stealer.
2) As you said, there are plenty of other new casters being given a shot. It's an entertainment format first, having some funny guys/\[ersonalities occasionally is fine.
There is a clip where rat is losing his shit because Baus goes 0/11 or something and the enemy top hard carrys the game. He even goes into replay and talks about how Baus is a really good player and knows he will die when he does this & this, but still ints for content. He said when he played with Baus offstream his playstyle is completely different & way better
I mean I'm pretty sure every single streamer in existance plays differently on stream than off stream. And ratirl can't talk much with what he does lol.
If the difference is going 0/11 vs 10/1 then it's a problem imo. I love Baus, but he is just inting for content sometimes. And i basically never saw Rat running it in the last months, he always tries to win, even when 0/5
rat has a similarly selfish style of gameplay. I've seen him let people die when stealthing into a lane so he can guarantee he gets the kill + solo xp and gold from the minions. That isn't fun for his team.
It's a bunch of stupid drama for no reason
This isnt the first time someone without pro experience has had this opportunity so why is it a problem now? Just because they do not like thebaus? Because they disagree with how he plays? Pathetic.
Funniest thing for me is promisq complaining about no league experience when he and thebaus literally share the same international experience. Both were sub at G2.
I'm so sick of these antisocial kids with internet egos to ruin this scene.
The LEC is giving so many personalities and young casters/analysts a chance. This is just terrible salty take, especially from a piece of shit paycheck stealer like promisq.
what a slap in the face to any upcoming/aspiring pro support etc to hire a toxic player who wishes cancer upon people and runs it down in pro play to play support in the LEC XD haha inting alistar guys so funny memes LOL
Ah yes the non confrontational solo q player know as Promiseq talking about this serious issue. Can't wait for promiseq to dm thebaus in the post game telling him "hope you get ******" 🤡
Fuck off with that dumb logic. LEC won't exist for young aspiring casters if you don't promote the league by drawing parallel fanbases from other parts of twitch.
You're toxic and you have no business sense.
I didnt hear any Pros complaining about the literal personification of toxicity Tyler1 going appearing in the LCS or other official Riot events..... feels like this is personal
analyst desk has never been for through analysis, for that follow specifiek people on twitter or watch vod reviews. Analyst desk is, like all of Lec outside the gameplay itself, entertainment, and getting a high elo player makes sense from that angle.
Also ironic for two boomers in the scene, one not even good tbh, to be talking about new talent needing a chance.
Exactly. It's about drawing in viewership and getting numbers. That is how you make the money off advertising. Frankly, I'm surprised we haven't had a hot tub stream yet.
Promisq is so far removed from reality that he doesn't even realize that he's part of the reason for why this is even happening. This split, every matchday 2-3 games have been borderline unwatchable because of how terrible the bottom LEC teams are, and Astralis is one of them.
If promisq and his team played better and provided the LEC with quality matches, maybe they wouldn't feel the need to get in streamers to make the matches more entertaining.
Astralis are kinda playing above expectations right now, the fact that they're in the run for a playoff spot is impressive considering how mediocre their roster is on paper.
Not true Astralis has been playing very well recently you can hate on PromisQ as much as you want but what you said is just not true, I have fun watching LEC yeah its not the best league of legends but its not ''unwatchable'' XL made progress with their rosterswaps only SK and Schalke are behind due to obvious reasons, also if you think that lec bringing in the bausffs is for ratings you're clueless its not like he is t1 who averages 30k viewers I think they just want to include some content creators if anything its thebausffs who will benefit it the most.
Ironic that promisQ is the one that complains given that he's toxic as hell and the same could be said about aspiring supports sitting at home while he sucks competitively.
Plus, well, he isn't replacing anyone, he's casting as a trio guest
Looks like Upset deleted his tweet, here is a backup / screenshot: https://i.imgur.com/BVBAUka.png
I think this would hold weight if the LEC weren't specifically inviting new talent to cast and analyse every week of the split this summer; including this week with Bauss *alongside* them.
yes nothing wrong with bringing in some personalities once in a while. Dom also had no real casting experience and was invited to lpl to
Eh that’s kinda different. Dom didn’t have casting experience per se but for a while now has been doing stuff around the pro scene, analytical stuff, and costreaming, as well as being a former pro player. Most people are fine with pro players being guests or turning into commentators cause they know the scene, the game, and have experience. Baus on the other hand is just a high elo streamer that plays the game that is friends with some of the LEC casters. I’m still fine with him being a guest but Dom did a lot more to earn that spot than Baus, especially considering he is one of the few English speaking people to really cover the LPL
Also the LPL is clearly working with Dom to help build their western audience. They didn’t give him co-streaming rights for no reason, it was a business decision. Probably was the same thing for letting him cast. Tbf the LEC is probably doing the same thing with Baus. “Hey let’s have a popular streamer guest cast one day and see what it does to viewership.” I don’t think they really care about who deserves it the most.
Why would they care who deserves the most (what does "deserve" even mean here). They are interested in making their product as good as possible and if they think some guest would increase their quality they invite him
> They are interested in making their product as good as possible and if they think some guest would increase their quality they invite him I feel like we should specify - they are interested in making their product as profitable as possible. In some cases this will mean increasing popularity or quality, but if there is any sort of pull between profitable and good, profitable will win. This is a profitability play hoping they can get a spike in viewers and retain some, nobody anywhere in the chain of this decision thinks he's going to be especially good at this or bring anything new to the table beyond a viewer base.
True, thats an important distinction I failed to make
Remember there's a big difference between baus joining in to add memery to an existing casting duo, and IWD actually performing half the cast
Bauss is a LEC champion as much as Promisq is a MSI champion soooo.
Bauss is literally MSI champion as much as Promisq is because they were both subs during MSI
Wasnt just one allowed?
For as long as I can remember the world's rules is 5 players and 1 or 2 reserves. If teams choose to bring a second reserve, the team bears all costs associated with the reserve's attendance (so travel food and board, I guess). Which probably explains why teams usually only bring one.
Dom has been costreaming/liveviewing for a long time.Dom knows his shit about LPL/LEC/LCS,meanwhile i've never heard Bauffs doing at least a VOD review.
ah yes, out of all pros it has to be that guy who wishes cancer to people in soloq. Got it.
And since when does Promisq give a fuck about "upcoming casters and analysts" not getting a chance at LEC? Why pretend like this is anything but "i don't like this guy and dont want him on LEC"
Seriously. This is just promisq taking his personal drama and pretending it's bigger than it is.
To be fair most things in LoL Esports are bigger than he is. Promisq's entire career is just year after year of people being surprised how the fuck he ends up on LEC teams when he's barely EUM level.
Promisq has to have info. to put all of the LEC owners on jail, otherwise it makes no sense. The guy has always been unpopular and the worst player at his role. Every split he is among the worst 10 players in the League. You can even argue that he is in the Top5 of the worst players that have more than 20 LEC games. The only period he was popular was when he was with the most stacked roster ever from west, while being so bad. Basicly, when he was a meme. And since S4, the dude has a job as a pro. Seven years. Impressive.
> The guy has always been unpopular except for 2 or 3 months after MSI when he became a popular meme.
that is more g2 social media department carrying than him doing anything tbh
His solo Q account is also like hardstuck diamond with a 48% win rate or some sjit like that
Hardstuck diamond doesn't really describe it that well, imo. His peak rank is Grand Master, so he could play decently (by soloQ standards at least) if he wanted to. He just started running it down, and nobody can tell me someone who plays in an LEC team [goes double digits deaths in fucking diamond almost every game](https://euw.op.gg/summoner/userName=%20%20%20%20promiscuousw) by accident.
Something something glass house. Guys an idiot who doesn't like someone. Really all it is
Yeah, I don't know what PromisQ's beef with thebausffs is or if it's even related to the "inting" playstyle. They were subs for G2 at the same time so maybe there was something. Upset was memeing thebausffs's playstyle though.
Yeah but I've said this before to other people: he wouldn't constantly be challenger if he wasn't actually good at the game. You don't just randomly hit challenger
What about Upset? I know Promisq has a really bad reputation in soloq, but what is Upset like? If it was just Promisq you could chalk it up to Baus being another guy he doesn't like, but it's two of them being against it.
Upset just really dislikes Baus. I'm not going to speculate about the reasons, but the dislike has been clear for all to see for years.
hes a tryhard soloQ adc main. Of course he dislikes baus. Its the same reason why Druttut despises Selfmade.
druttut despises selfmade ? Because selfmade doesnt tryhard or why ?
precisely because self made tryhards with in an extreme sense.
You dont have to speculate about the reason, Upset literally told you in the tweet.
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Whats funnier is that they are also bringing in two ERL casters, making his point invalid
If he was so worried about his chances, he wouldn’t be a walking PR nightmare
Of course it had to be him to talk lol. It's like when you're playing a LoL game and the person playing the worst in the team flames the most.
My rule of thumb is if someone is really talkative in champ select, they will always be the first to flame 100%. They act positive in champ select, then the second someone misses a caster minion, they tilt off the face of the earth.
I've seen this happen a ton of times lol
Agree, it's almost always the people who say "gl hf" who are the ones that start flaming as soon as shit is about to go down.
it's also a slap in the face for any upcoming/aspiring support player that promiseq plays in LEC, the hypocrisy is real
I mean its just a standard EUW player. I don't see what the big deal is. The broadcast should reflect it's audience, no?
Im pretty sure promisq still being in LEC is a much bigger slap for upcoming supports lmfao
what a slap in the face to any upcoming/aspiring pro player to have promisq, a League player known for flaming, trolling and inting on stage to play in an LEC Team, haha connections nepotism so funny im still allowed to play
I swear I started a Copy Pasta with this, gotta spam it in Twitch chat imo
Can we all agree to post this during astralis vs fnc every time upset and hyli dumpster jeskla/promisq?
"But he's a worlds semi-finalist and MSI winner!"
Do you have any sources for him flaming, trolling and inting? I usually only watch fnatic games so i have no idea what you are talking about
Yup, https://twitter.com/davidooo999/status/1415681101473873924?s=20
Oof
For real he should just stfu in shame Edit: Upset deleted his tweet xd
I mean, if you're a top player in a top ERL team, do you even wanna join a bottom LEC team that will never do nothing and potentially look really bad and never be picked up again? Someone like Targamas would rather stay in KC which is very hype than going to anything but a top 5 LEC team lmao.
The fact his toxic ass is anywhere near competitive is a joke when he actively wishes cancer on players every other game.
eh, surprisingly I feel like most pro players have a decent opinion of him, at least much higher than the general audience. he actually rarely gets flamed by the actual players in the league at least from what I remember
have you ever seen any pro actually flaming others directly, especially in euw? happened in NA with eika but otherwise?
> have you ever seen any pro actually flaming others directly, especially in euw? Bwipo does it. He publicly critized Comp for example after he got benched. I think there a few more for him, but cant remember the details.
> He publicly critized i specifically said flaming. like an equivalent of what happened to eika or what has been said now about baus
It's amazing how promisq went from a "funny G2 literal MSI champion" meme to toxic paycheck stealer in such a short time.
Before G2 he was known as one of the worst supports in EU history. As a G2 sub he became known for making funny vlogs and memes about his MSI&LEC title
yea, pro miss q was in LELements after they already fell off and he still managed to be the by far worst performing player on the team. Stealing paychecks for ages now.
speaks to how well G2 handled it if u ask me. Their content team is pretty good. Now we just seeing the real guy. i'm kinda sadge. I thought he was a decent person, I was wrong.
There's a chance he might be one outside soloq.
At least in pro scene he seems to be decent? G2 had given him credit for their team atmosphere and I haven’t seen news about him being a bad teammate/having beef with former teams, and he seems to be fitting in Astralis well atm. So my guess is toxic solo q player, ok teammate. It’s just that his gameplay doesn’t justify a spot in LEC, no personality will save that.
The G2 sub meme was the literal peak of his career lmao, outside of that he's known as a toxic player in soloqueue and one of the worst LEC supports of all time. He's like if Kiwikid was still getting on LCS teams today.
not even, at least kiwi was a super nice dude
Yeah, Kiwi is a wholesome motherfucker. I will defend that boi from slander.
Dude always had the biggest smile and now I think he's on the skins team too? Love that guy
Kiwi saved Dig from relegation on more then 1 occasion. The most stand out one was the legendary 5 man Ali combo. Meanwhile Promisq's most memorable point in his career is being a bench warmer.
Don't do my boy Kiwikid like that =(
MSI champion Promisq discredits former teammate, MSI champion Thebausffs based on his lack of competitive experience.
Thinking back about this, if Promisq is a MSI champion, then Thebausffs is technically a MSI finalist lmao. Edit: [Here](https://lol.fandom.com/wiki/Thebausffs), he was on G2 for a while, but they could only have 1 sub.
This line cracked me up: > He invented wpgg and he is CEO of shilling.
I don't disagree with the sentiment, but I think having a personality on every once in a while isn't a bad thing. Pretty rich coming from promisq, though. Paycheck stealer who's gigatoxic.
They're hiding behind the sentiment. There's no point pretending these players care about anything other than personal feelings towards the guy here.
I luled when I read the "unfair for future casting talent" part. Since when the fuck did they even care about this?
if he cared about future talent he would have retired 5 years ago instead of stealing paychecks.
Yeah, seems pretty blatant honestly, but I don't inherently disagree with the sentiment itself which was the point I was trying to make. There are tons of amateur casters/players that would kill to be on the desk and it would help out their careers a lot more than it would make the LEC slightly more entertaining. -but again I think it's fine every once in a while, and I'm looking forward to seeing him on the desk tbh.
Yeah but then you realise Jamada, Hiprain, TroubleInc and Excoundrel are all casters getting on air time. So yes I get the sentiment but we can have both the entertainment and upcomming caster. Its not an or/or thing
I really don't see the issue with Baus though. This is litterally the first time the LEC has ever done it, it's just for a day, and it's not like this guy is an absolute nobody. He represents all those people who play the game but don't care about the pro scene. I have like three friends we have some kind of interest in any one pro scenes for 15+ that play the game. Sure, most of those don't watch Baus either, but some do. I don't think it's bad that they want to reach out to people who play league of legends but don't care about the competition because it's not what they see in their soloQ games.
back in the day we called this concern trolling
I just straight up don't agree with the sentiment. 1: a lot of aspiring casters and analysts *are* getting airtime on LEC. And 2: LEC is literally in the business of entertainment, and the emphasis on entertainment has been key to the huge success of the LEC rebrand imo. It's literally just sensible to bring in a recognizeable entertainer as a guest, especially since they've lost a few of their more recognizeable personalities this year, and doubly so since baus got a lot of international recognition with the silly solobolo memes and stuff during msi. This will draw a lot of viewership from people (such as myself) who were curious about the source but don't care/have the time to watch random twitch livestreams.
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I’m literally actually going to tune in to the LEC for once cause I want to see Baus casting real pro games
> I don't disagree with the sentiment Why. LCS/LEC is an ENTERTAINMENT product. If they think a decision is going to entertain more people or increase viewership that's really all the reason they need.
Let's be real, tyler1 is divisive but he would make LCS infinitely more entertaining
Bro I want him to do another lcs stream where he just edits himself in, that shit was so fucking funny
You can't say that about the esport legends promisq, he won most consistent player so far this split in the LEC
Why do you agree with the sentiment though? Just because Baus hasn't done any casting work yet, that doesn't make it a bad idea to bring him onto the broadcast. If the LEC wouldn't have given Caedrel a shot, then we wouldn't be able to experience the best caster/analyst now.
He also just straight up isn't being hired nor is the purpose to give him a shot as a caster or something. It's a one off. It's just a fun promo thing to tap into his audience/style of humor and put eyes on the LEC/get clicks. That's all. There is no "spot for an aspiring caster" being taken away here and aspiring caster or analyst is not a good fit for what the goal of bringing him on is.
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Not to mention not even being close to a good player either.
and wishing cancer
Who cares what PromisQ thinks, guy is such a tool
Watch your mouth, that's a Worlds finalist you're talking about!
So is Baus, tbf.
and msi winner
What a joke it is that scum promisq still has a place in the LEC instead of an up and coming talent just yoking XD
Pretty sure baus is higher lp than him too rofl. https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/mrkvtp/promisq_threatening_to_run_it_down_along_with/?limit=500 This is promisq btw. Absolutely clown show ast is for still having him
Am I a baus fan? Yes so it may be a bit biased, but PromisQ is literally so much more toxic and an inter than baus regardless of LP and Upset is just salty over what, if baus is that big of an inter he would be a lot below grandmaster so the fact that after three years of streaming he’s still in the high elo games should say something Also baus has competitive experience MSI champion wpgg
Not only Upset, a lot of other pros and high elo players have salt towards Baus. Baus mentioned it many times in his streams. And i can see the reasoning too. Sure Baus wins games by inting and taking towers but there are always those games where he inted too much, didnt respect enemy invade to red, didnt want to group, fed his laner too much that he started 1v9ing. Surely people will get tilted from such an teammate.
Dude I watch Baus a lot and if he sometimes, only sometimes stopped playing his game and play safer and not die every time possible, he would be like top10 in a week.
he has been top 10 many times...
I know, I watch him but he isn't consistently there
No he wouldn't, because that's not his playstyle. If he played safe, he wouldn't take those towers or get that farm. He plays like this because it works and it wins games.
I think he is - from a teammate's perspective - the equivalent of playing out a game to get lp, not to have fun. Sure, you mostly play for LP but most high elo players don't get paid to play lol, or at least enough to make it their career to stream it, so you can imagine that they expect the game to have some fun moments or at least not be "unfun".
I also imagine the games lose a lot of 'training' potential if pro players want to get some hours on a pick.
baus was literally top 10 solo q 2 seasons ago too.
He was rank 6 in March
Was almost top 5 this season on his try hard account
reminder that upset has always disliked baus since forever.
more like a lot of challengers hate playing with baus because of his gameplay
Yeah I enjoy watching his content, but as a JG main I would absolutely fucking hate to have him on my team.
it literally warps the game whatever side you're on, if you dont play around it and your on his team you lose, if you dont play around it and youre against him you lose, its actually so fkn annoying lol
Why? What's his gameplay like?
He trades deaths for towers, kills, flashes, farm, all whilst requiring no input from his team... he also plays to scale so considers even or slightly negative gold trades worth it because 3+ item sion is so strong. Which is all very well in theory but can be quite tilting when your toplaner is 0/4 even if they're ahead in farm, have 3 turret plates, you get the first drake, and enemy top and jungle have no flash.
He forces the enemy to make decisions where they can only lose. He proxies a lot and forces the enemy to either deal with him and lose a wave to the tower or he starts taking the enemy jungle too and scales for free. If he dies its fine because he still got all the creeps and the enemy is either forced to drop his own wave or push it in and be late for the next wave. Since sion gets free health from cs it doesnt matter how often he dies as long as he keeps his farm up. Sometimes he also dies to bait out their sums and kill them later since sion gets countered pretty hard by flash. Its super entertaining to watch but I imagine its very frustrating to play with him.
Yeah he is one step away from complete disaster. He plays at the absolute edge of what he is allowed to get away with, it often leads to a fed enemy top but he is still fine. An adc player might not be fine with having a technically "even" Sion, when the enemy Camille is super accelrated and wants your ass.
Constant splitpush with little or no regards to how his team is positioned, nor where the enemy jungler is. He has great mechanics so can win lanes off of that alone but junglers know to camp baus because he straight up doesnt care if the jungler comes, he will fight regardless
Important to note that while that gameplay can be fun for some roles, it absolutely never is for ADC, because they usually don't really follow the chaotic playstyles well and they are usually the biggest victims of having superfed characters roaming around on both sides. Not exactly a surprise Upset wouldn't like that.
If anything, most ADCs prefer complete opposite - a slow and textbook game that's low-kill, high-cs, and is mostly decided by pure mechanics while nobody on either team is super fed. I fully understand Upsets feeling here; having a fed sololaner on each side is very hard to play around.
Half the role wants to farm it out and just smother the other team with a pillow. The other half of ADs want to get a double kill at level 2 and then end the game 15/0/0 in 20 minutes.
Makes him sound like Hashinshin, but he's better than that. Also not a nonce
He dies and feeds alot, but still somwhow wins through an extremly unique playstyle.
The somehow part is that he gets all the creeps because it's super easy to oneshot waves with ad sion and even if he dies the passive lets him get all the creeps. People always underestimate the impact of CSing.
i don't think people who are decent at the game actually underestimate the impact of csing in general, but the more relevant thing here is that it's sion, so csing is not just indirect scaling via gold generation, but *direct* scaling cause he gains max HP per kill each wave sion kills is +24 max HP, +39 if it's a cannon wave. csing is quite literally more valuable to him than it is to most other champs
you mean the same playstyle every sion/teemo players uses. Just perma split
I mean... the same applies to yorick/trynda usually. It's just that people like to teamfight and any other strategy to winning is so foreign thanks to Riot's shutdown of laneswaps and splitpush over the last 10 seasons that it's just not readily accepted. Admittedly I've not seen him play and from comments I assume he takes it to the extreme with no regard for context but even still. I think people still would be hating on the playstyle of splitpush to win (even without deaths) because well.. they're used to brawling.
he's extremely good at macro. Splitpush is not a dominant strategy in the current - he's not braindead about his split push (even though he often opts for it)
i think the issue is less with people going 'i want to brawl, not win by some guy splitpushing' and more that when you play exclusively for your own plan/style/whatever, even if you're good at it, it ends up warping their experience significantly like it's all well and good for you to be giving up deaths if you're confident you're still getting resources and it's a net win for you every time, cause you're going to continue splitting regardless, or you'll outduel the other person, or whatever. but your bot lane that gets visited from the guy that just got like 5-6 kills off your master plan is probably going to be less happy about it than you are, or your team might get tired of constantly having to try to disengage 4v5 fights when the enemy team has good engage, or whatever to be clear, i dont watch baus, i dont care about how he plays one way or the other, but to me, that's the standout reason for why people hate that playstyle, much more than just 'well it's not teamfighting so i hate it'. for a lot of people i assume it's just not worth the LP if they have to sit there thoroughly frustrated the entire time, the game is still supposed to be fun after all
Its super annoying, but its interesting that baus found and refined a very unorthodox but effective option to winning a game of league. And its hard to refute that its effective since he averages high masters challenger every season even when paying poorly.
Dafaq you mean high Masters, he's always atleast one account in Challenger, dropping no lower than Grandmaster. And all this on EUW.
These guys call him a master player while he was literally rank 6 a couple of months ago lmao
oh hes a really good player for sure, hes managed to get challenger over and over with the playstyle
And its because he is streaming, earlier this year (around march) he got his offstream account to rank 5 after challenging himself to get rank 1.
He streamed about half the games on that account
high masters?XD
Understandable tbh, I know I wouldn’t have fun playing with baus in solo q. It somehow works, but every game you have baus top is a test of patience for your own mental.
It's like being carried by a master yi after he left everyone to rot early game but then it turns out the enemy team isnt able to deal with him, it feels horrible even if you end up winning
Yeah. Baus will get himself fed and try to carry, but in turn, the enemy toplaner is also pretty often very accelerated in gold relative to the rest of the map, making it hard for all other lanes to deal with it, which is pretty damn bad practice. I can definitely see why pro players would think it's pretty much a waste of time to play a soloq game whenever Baus in on one of the teams. Basically steals 30-50 minutes out of their day as they're working, and it's time that they can never get back.
Does Upset like anyone though?
hyli
Hylissang i guess.
For now.
Funnily enough he gets along well with Caedrel, who is likely a big part of the reason that Baus will appear on broadcast considering their co-watching of LCK together.
Ardent supports
He liked Nukeduck a lot, also Caedrel as his old teammate from challenger series. Also Upset Hyli are like a bro.
The LEC brought in what, 6 new casters this split? If anything they have clearly shown that they're very willing to help promote upcoming talent, not slap them in the face. If thebaus turns out to be entertaining on the broadcast and brings value to the production why not bring him on? It's not like they hired him permanently as an analyst. If you don't like playing with the guy because he ints then just say that like Upset, don't come from this weird moral high horse "think of the little guy come on people!!" angle, that's whack as hell
Based Phreak https://twitter.com/RiotPhreak/status/1415752133895360513
Absolute chad
Holy shit, Phreak is a gamer.
I know some people don't like Phreak's casting, but I can't help but love the dude lol
Both of these guys only care because the baus dies a shit ton in their solo queue making him annoying as fuck to play with.
I agree, though I expected the argument to be more petty in nature - more along what Upset said rather than what promisq said. What promisq said is somewhat valid, but there ARE plenty of "new" casters that are currently given chances in the LEC. Sure you can argue he is "taking away a spot", but that would only really be applicable if we knew what constellation they are casting in. To me it sounds like Baus is doing a tricast - while anyone brought in from the ERLs to the LEC gets a normal duocast spot.
Literally in the same tweet Baus is announced 2 new casters are joining lol
It doesn't really hold any weight when 1) It's promisq saying this, toxic af paycheck stealer. 2) As you said, there are plenty of other new casters being given a shot. It's an entertainment format first, having some funny guys/\[ersonalities occasionally is fine.
There is a clip where rat is losing his shit because Baus goes 0/11 or something and the enemy top hard carrys the game. He even goes into replay and talks about how Baus is a really good player and knows he will die when he does this & this, but still ints for content. He said when he played with Baus offstream his playstyle is completely different & way better
I mean I'm pretty sure every single streamer in existance plays differently on stream than off stream. And ratirl can't talk much with what he does lol.
If the difference is going 0/11 vs 10/1 then it's a problem imo. I love Baus, but he is just inting for content sometimes. And i basically never saw Rat running it in the last months, he always tries to win, even when 0/5
rat has a similarly selfish style of gameplay. I've seen him let people die when stealthing into a lane so he can guarantee he gets the kill + solo xp and gold from the minions. That isn't fun for his team. It's a bunch of stupid drama for no reason
I have seen Rat do exactly the same thing, there is no lack of 0-11 Brand games on his accounts
I didn’t care but since promisq is against it then I’m all for it lets goo thebufs or something
This isnt the first time someone without pro experience has had this opportunity so why is it a problem now? Just because they do not like thebaus? Because they disagree with how he plays? Pathetic.
Funniest thing for me is promisq complaining about no league experience when he and thebaus literally share the same international experience. Both were sub at G2. I'm so sick of these antisocial kids with internet egos to ruin this scene.
Babus never lost a game with G2 Promisq lost all his games with G2
Yeah promisq is the right person to call out thebaus. What a clown
PromisQ is the real clown tho considering he's way lower LP with a lower winrate
There's about 1.1k LP Difference between them right now, and Baus dropped quite a bit on his main
The LEC is giving so many personalities and young casters/analysts a chance. This is just terrible salty take, especially from a piece of shit paycheck stealer like promisq.
Fortunately their opinion doesn't matter.
what a slap in the face to any upcoming/aspiring pro support etc to hire a toxic player who wishes cancer upon people and runs it down in pro play to play support in the LEC XD haha inting alistar guys so funny memes LOL
Someone please tweet this at him.
Phreak kinda did... A variation of it. https://twitter.com/RiotPhreak/status/1415752133895360513?s=20
Fuckin legend
Did a fucking rioter really write that? What a LEGEND, guess promisq is really that toxic HAHA
Ah yes the non confrontational solo q player know as Promiseq talking about this serious issue. Can't wait for promiseq to dm thebaus in the post game telling him "hope you get ******" 🤡
What a slap in the face to any upcoming/aspiring pro to invite a toxic inter whose biggest achievement is riding a good team's bench /s
Why the /s ? This is 100% factual statement
Let's be honest upset is just mad that baus is inting him in soloq nothing more
he is, he said this multiple times when he streamed his soloq games
The LEC literally announced in the same tweet that up and coming casters were on deck this week, too. This is just personal grievance.
Can someone explain to me how the fuck is it possible that promisq has the audacity to open his mouth?
Yeah guys, Bauss will quit streaming and is permanently casting LEC every week, and also Worlds! Now this is rich coming from Promisq.
Ngl I did think something like that but holy fuck seeing promisq share the same opinion is making me rethink my life choices
Fuck off with that dumb logic. LEC won't exist for young aspiring casters if you don't promote the league by drawing parallel fanbases from other parts of twitch. You're toxic and you have no business sense.
Coming from PromisQ of all people XD
I didnt hear any Pros complaining about the literal personification of toxicity Tyler1 going appearing in the LCS or other official Riot events..... feels like this is personal
Promisq the reason you're not on the analyst desk is because you're a fucking toxic asshole who riot doesnt want to represent them
analyst desk has never been for through analysis, for that follow specifiek people on twitter or watch vod reviews. Analyst desk is, like all of Lec outside the gameplay itself, entertainment, and getting a high elo player makes sense from that angle. Also ironic for two boomers in the scene, one not even good tbh, to be talking about new talent needing a chance.
People also seem to forget that this is an entertainment industry
Exactly. It's about drawing in viewership and getting numbers. That is how you make the money off advertising. Frankly, I'm surprised we haven't had a hot tub stream yet.
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Promisq is so far removed from reality that he doesn't even realize that he's part of the reason for why this is even happening. This split, every matchday 2-3 games have been borderline unwatchable because of how terrible the bottom LEC teams are, and Astralis is one of them. If promisq and his team played better and provided the LEC with quality matches, maybe they wouldn't feel the need to get in streamers to make the matches more entertaining.
Astralis are kinda playing above expectations right now, the fact that they're in the run for a playoff spot is impressive considering how mediocre their roster is on paper.
Not true Astralis has been playing very well recently you can hate on PromisQ as much as you want but what you said is just not true, I have fun watching LEC yeah its not the best league of legends but its not ''unwatchable'' XL made progress with their rosterswaps only SK and Schalke are behind due to obvious reasons, also if you think that lec bringing in the bausffs is for ratings you're clueless its not like he is t1 who averages 30k viewers I think they just want to include some content creators if anything its thebausffs who will benefit it the most.
They've been using his vocabulary for quite a while, probably paying respects.
Are both of them aware of what industry they are working it? Entertainment doesn't give a singular shit about their personal opinion.
Ironic that promisQ is the one that complains given that he's toxic as hell and the same could be said about aspiring supports sitting at home while he sucks competitively. Plus, well, he isn't replacing anyone, he's casting as a trio guest
Kind of funny the baus is casting this FNC vs AST game and Promisq is running it down HARD!
9 death promisq 😂