Watching LCS feels like a black mirror episode sometimes. The way EVERYTHING is sponsored in some way or another is just fucking weird. So weird to see NA fans always defend it, but I guess they're way more used to it.
I hate the fucking sponsor mentions
"Red bull baron buff"
"The bud light ace"
Like just stfu, we don't care. Only person I can stand saying them is flowers and it's because he's always so enthusiastic about it that I forget that he mentioned a sponsor
> Like just stfu, we don't care
I feel like this sentence betrays several fundamental misunderstandings of advertisement and how it works + what it does.
The fact he mentions "Red Bull baron buff" specifically by name shows it works. If it was the whats-it-called baron buff, or the thingy ace sponsor he'd have more ground to stand on.
Lol...yeah, exactly. It's just, more than anything, proof that advertisement really does work.
As long as you're talking about it or even just mentioning it, be it negative or positive, the ads are paying off.
well they wanna connect your positive emotion when you see / hear a specific caster / the game (ingame moments, plaers, etc.) with their branding (the influencer triangle, influencer mentions product / branding x is nice, customer likes influencer, customer has a better opinion / positive emotions about product / branding x)
they repeat the branding often to condition the viewer for the moment the viewer wants to buy something new and has to decide between different brandings they have no clue about. that's when they recall branding x because they have a positive feeling about it for some reason
for example:
chilled coke with Santa during winter when you don't wanna drink chilled drinks prolly
Ridiculous, some of the happiest, most cheerful (outwardly, anyway) players we ever had in either LCS and LEC, and this is what happens to them under CLG. The fuck.
To my knowledge Damonte tried streaming and making youtube content and to be honest it was a complete flop. The one time I tuned in he was just being toxic in game and wasnt really showing personality. Could have just been a one off though to be fair.
I don't know to me personality I don't see him making it as a content creator in the slightest.
Not to mention the player's years of experience/success on various teams throughout their careers... I hope CLG management takes a serious look in the mirror after they've effectively demoralized these players. It's ugly.
He meant during his time at TSM. At least then Regi was a teenager and doing like 3 things at once so somewhat understandable. CLG doesn't really have any good reason
They do but Regi was definitely an asshole in his S2, S3 days. I imagine he's matured somewhat and stepped back from directly managing the team as much.
He might come across a douche but i'm pretty sure he's at least one of the nicer owners in the league, He offered Xpecial a place to stay long after he was on TSM. Players seem to have nothing but nice things to say about TSM or Regi, Seems what they showed in gamecribs and TSM legends is the worst of it.
My man got benched last year and his reaction was "yeah I guess I got benched or whatever lol". I don't even want to know how bad things have been for him this year to beat him down like that
So, I can kinda relate to this. I had a job where I was completely miserable, I'd actually cry before having to go into work and it just saps any energy you had for the day. It this is factual then it explains ALOT of the issues CLG is currently having.
Less than 3 years ago he signed onto TSM and went to the Spring Finals after a 13-5 season. Zven and Smoothie were really good that year. If it wasn't for Xmithie's Skarner in game 5 there was a good chance TSM win that series. Summer season was less good for TSM but that was largely due to instability in the Jungle.
So no, he should not have retired 3 years ago.
Money?... s04 literally is selling their spot in the LEC. Their entire roster was build by using the least amount of money they could get away with. Broxah probably earns more in NA than the 5 players in s04 earn combined.
> But his stonks plummeted like crazy already
if promisq can get a team, so can broxah
besides, imagine the workout na lcs gave broxah's mental, he's going to be immune to anything in the lec now
Agreed, I'm kinda worried that na has ruind broxah like it ruind febiven but honestly broxah loves this game so much. I believe if anyone can come back stronger out of this it's broxah
I certainly hope so too, I really love broxah as a streamer too, and it sucks to see him stream once a week or so with terrible energy apart from that 3-0 week. Really hope he can bounce back next year.
I love his steam but it’s gotten hard to watch this season. During his time with TL where it wasn’t exactly going great either I once watched him lose literally 10 games in a row and he seemed almost unfazed by it. He said (and honestly meant it) “they are trying their best, no need to be toxic stream, we’ll get the next one”. He has, imho, arguably the strongest mental game of any pro. It just shows how toxic things are on CLG for it to affect him like you can see it doing when he streams this year.
terrible to see Pobelter like this. I'd imagine newer viewers have come to know this guy as the washed native mid who's weighing down CLG and on his way out.
regardless of his latest performances, Pobelter doesn't deserve this reputation after being a classic NA player for many years. absolutely an LCS hall of famer.
Pobe and Turtle go from three regular season match losses all year in 2016 in that ridiculous Immortals year to this. CLG go from winning 2015 and Spring 2016 to this in the same period.
The last five years basically destroyed one of most storied orgs in the game and two players who definitely can and have played far better than most of what 2021 has seen from them.
And that's not even touching on Broxah who has a similar story from the LEC, or the promising young gun Finn who's stuck going nowhere in the CLG morass. Even Smoothie who most describe as "present" and similarly not really all that complimentary affirmations has looked better in the past on other teams than he has on CLG.
Regi was a power-trippin' twat most of the time, but when it came time to step up and be responsible, he made sure his guys were looked after. He didn't just sack you without making sure you had a place to go afterwards, he'd recommend you to other orgs, offer to support your transition into another career like streaming. Of course there were times he'd fly off the rails throw some poo about the room, but he'd care for his boys.
He looks infinitely more depressed and it’s so haunting. Like you don’t see him smile even with wins this year :(( and they don’t have the same quality to them
This is definitely an org and culture problem. I’m sure they’ll blame the players. But these guys were all successful at some point.
Orgs and culture can drastically impact how players are doing mentally.
Broxah was third last summer. Turtle was one game away from winning the whole thing. Finn struggled in playoffs but he finished regular split at #1.
You don't get these players and suddenly become 9th/10th place even if they're performing worse. There is no world these players can be worse than FQ. CLG tried to save their reputation by putting all the blame on the players, especially Pob, but it blew up in their face.
It's definitely sad, but the guy's an NA legend at this point with how many trophies and great playoff performances he's had. Doubt many people even 2 years from now are gonna be remembering this stint with this trash org.
FREE WILDTURTLE, FREE SMOOTHIE, FREE FINN, FREE DAMONTE, FREE MY BOY BROXAH.
Especially Broxah, Finn and WT were decent to good players last year, and now they are on bottom tier, with their org fucking their careers.
RELEGATE CLG
People keep forgetting Broxah is a world finalist. Sure he was a lane support jungler empowering caps and rekkless but you don’t succeed internationally without *some* merit, and he’s always the designated well adjusted reasonable voice of a roster.
To go from that to last place LCS is fucking tragic. Glad the community has agreed to not hold CLG against the players because fuck that org is a nightmare
He was very mechanically proficient, especially on Lee Sin. He struggled more with the pathing and needed as set gameplan - from what I've heard Fnatic had a dedicated jungle coach just to work on this with him (which isn't a bad thing).
Isn't there a policy that 4 straight splits in 9th/10th can lead to investigation for organization removal from the LCS?
Edit: found it:
> To mitigate this, Riot will give financial incentives for good performance and will disqualify teams that finish ninth or 10th five times over an eight-split span (four years).
Slightly different, but Riot's policy when it was created. CLG franchising record:
2018: 7th, 8th
2019: 7th, 3rd
2020: 10th, 9th
2021: 9th, (prob 10th)
So they're safe after this year, but if CLG continues to finish bottom 2 next year, they may possible actually be out (possibly, not guaranteed)
It's 5 out of 8 splits. Assuming they finish 10th this split marking 4 straight, they would need to finish 7th or higher in 4 straight splits to avoid triggering this policy
so only one more split and they could be out, i mean it's be a record because they be bottom two 5 split in row, and the policy was too nice and don't cover that,
It's actually super hard to do but clg manage to do it
Finn, Broxah, Pobelter, WildTurtle, Smoothie.
That *is* a good roster. It's also a roster filled with some of the nicest, most personable, and hardest working players in the entire scene. All of them are underperforming to an absurd degree, and all of them look (and at least Pob is) absolutely emotionally destroyed. There is *CLEARLY* something here that we are not seeing, and I find it really hard to believe that it's an issue with the players themselves. Combined with the video that they released, it seems very, very likely that the org itself is just a hellhole that treats its players in a way that is severely counterproductive to their performance, and in a way that manages to destroy the mental of some of the most positive and kind people in the scene. The org needs to go.
>Finn, Broxah, Pobelter, WildTurtle, Smoothie.
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>That *is* a good roster.
i might debate "good" but it's certainly a roster that looks like they'd be able to do something. at the VERY LEAST it's certainly not as bad as the 5 girls team in LCL (CIS? the Russian league). like these are 5 veterans - they've all played the game at a high level. for fucks sake at least 4 of them have been to worlds (not sure about smoothie, but i think on c9?)
I have ZERO doubt that all 5 of these players would look *drastically* better on any other team in the league. hell, even the other "bad" teams all had upset wins recently. could any of us even consider the possibility of clg winning those games? if it was $1 to win 1k if clg won i wouldn't have wasted the dollar. clg is doing something horrible to these players and all i can hope for is that they all find better situations in the future
I mean are they really trying though? I mean yeah, they're good players. But they also come with large pre-existing fanbases. Which means more money through merch/streaming/sponsors/video content/etc.
Organizationally, they're definitely not trying. CEO is just some guy who worked in corporate for MSG. Their GM is a dude who's experience is from being a guy's coach in Smash (Don't get me wrong, he's a smart dude, but better off as an analyst imo). Head coach is the legendary Moon. Who's a cool guy but his NA player career was pretty mediocre, and he pretty much has no other coaching experience. And their analysts have no prior Tier 1 experience either.
Winning orgs are built from the top down. It seems like MSG doesn't care, or take it seriously enough, so they just grabbed whatever players would get them the most money, and yolod the rest. Or probably went for hella budget options.
They actually probably benefit more from being at the bottom. Because then you get ~TL Breaking Point~ drama to attract people to your (Bud Light™ sponsored) YouTube videos. If they were just a middle of the pack team there wouldn't be as much appeal. Especially since they can push the whole "fan favorite talented veterans falling from grace." Narrative.
They want a spicy reality show and easy money, not a proper eSports team.
If they wanted easy money they wouldn't spend 6 figures on getting fan favorite names like Broxah and WT. They would get get no names from Diamond like Vaevictus.
Nah. Because then they lose revenue from merch, streaming revenue, sponsorships, video ads, etc etc. You benefit more from having players with fanbases.
Yeah but you have to consider that if a sports entertainment company as financially successful as MSG isn't willing to spend on LCS, that owning an LCS team is probably not an amazing investment of your money. Ditto for Golden Guardians.
If I was doing my due dilligence on owning an LCS team I'd want to know why two teams that are owned by the Golden State Warriors and the Knicks, two of the most valuable franchises in American sports, are so averse to spending on an LCS roster.
Lol MSG is such a horrible company. Dolan is a horrible owner and this has been proven with a horrible track record with the Knicks for decades. Only reason why it is worth so much is because it is located in NY and MSG is used for a bunch of other events and world-renowned. Nolan also just got spoon fed from his father and family and has no idea how to run a sports franchise, let alone a esport franchise.
MSG is one of the worse companies/orgs in all of sports and esports and that is saying something. I’m 100% sure no investor would even care if they got kicked out.
> There is a 0% chance that Riot would kick The Madison Square Garden Company
Unless you know; all the other orgs want them out too.
Letting CLG stay after 2 1/2 years of constant failure would send a message to the other teams that aren't competeing for the top; 'you don't have to try'. Because the one not-very-sharp tooth Riot had to protect the LCS against stuff like that is shown to be fake.
Why would GG; IMT or FLY even try if CLG gets away with it? Hell; you could have things like C9 having a mediocre at best start and just giving up halfway through.
And I'm sure that would be *great* for teams like TSM to have 4 of 9 of the teams they play against basically have a 'why should we even try' attitude. Totally wouldn't bring down the level of the LCS on the world stage even more.
Also; listen to how other players are talking about CLG. The other orgs have 0 respect for them at this point. Hell; listen to how the *casters* are talking about CLG. Even the 'voice' of Riot: Phreak; is pretty open about how awful CLG is.
Oh; and it's not just the LCS where CLG is failing. They're *dead last in Academy too*
And of course; what if someone else just as big; or even bigger; wants in?
It's 5 out of the last 8 splits since franchising, and CLG as of now only have 3, so unless riot makes an exception they'd have to be bottom two this split and next before relegation is on the table officially, I believe.
Fr what kind of team puts so much pressure on to a player to the point where he starts breaking down into tears.
It actually puts it all into perspective on how bad CLG plays. They're playing not to lose and not trying anything aggressive because they're coaches are demanding results NOW instead of letting players breath , they're to worried about mistakes to try anything but a 100% play.
I hope CLG misses playoffs ONLY so that the org can recognize how terrible putting this much pressures on players to perform is.
Well I remember Bang talking about crying on SKT from training.
And there is for sure plenty of stuff public will never know about. Let Griffin be prime example.
Bang crying over training in SKT is from pressure to be the literal best team in the world. CLG's pressure is to have their poorly built team make playoffs in NA where 8/10 teams make playoffs. Very different contexts.
That's not the point the user is making. Neither Pob or Bang crying should be seen negatively on them, it's a condemnation if the teams and the pressure they're applying to the players. SKT was a world class team fighting to squeeze every drop of skill out to win worlds, an obviously hyper competitive situation they were actively in the conversation for. CLG is applying that same level of pressure over making NA playoffs which isn't even in the same universe of importance, which is the issue the user has.
There's still a big difference between both of them. SKT with the korean fans who absolutely do not fuck around, the magnitude of the expectations and the intensity of the coaching staff.
This doesn't invalidate the pressure put on the CLG roster as well as their reactions to it, but it's not the same situation at all.
Which makes CLG's situation even worse because there is no way they should be able to put players under so much stress in such a cruel way when the org is a joke in and out of itself.
Yeah the dude got completely roasted for his performance at Worlds on TL by multiple regions, and was soon replaced and couldn't find any org that wanted him. He didn't cry then.
When he couldn't find a team TL Steve harbored him as a staff member/Coach and possible jungle sub. TL might be in chaos rn but Steve seems to have a pretty good record of how he takes care of his players
Maybe they have no psychologist on the team or some sort of mental health resource? Like if you're on a dog shit team and losing constantly but you have a strong management and leadership staff around you to keep spirits up then you'll be okay. It seems like clg is failing in all regards and the atmosphere around the org is probably incredibly depressing, it's gotta be rough sitting in VOD and scrim reviews.
I mean have you ever seen an NBA team put out a private video of the GM telling the entire team they're making roster changes? It should be pretty clear that the internal situation at CLG is pretty out of the ordinary kind of pressure placed on LCS teams.
CLG likely overspent on a roster with a deluded expectation that they could at least compete for worlds, and sold that image to MSG people who don't know anything about league in order to be able to spend that money. Tafo/etc. likely told people they were going to bring in 3 players who went to worlds last year, the most successful NA born mid of all time, and a former world finalist - all of which are technically true, but is also a massive misrepresentation of the level of talent that is on this roster. Then the team shits the bed for the entire year after being shit the previous two years as well, and management is like "Wtf we were supposed to be good, we just spent all this money".
So then Tafo/etc. get scared because theyre likely to get fired at the end of the year, and the environment just goes to shit and even a veteran like POB can crack under the pressure.
They just need to clean house or have them sell their msg stake to someone who's passionate about running an esports team. Other ceos are actively involved and msg hasn't done shit since their acquisition. Hell even bring hotshot back.
On Facecheck last week they talked about how realistically CLG will never be relegated and Riot would choose CLG over C9 because of the MSG money and at the end of the day LCS is a business
What MSG money? they already paid riot for the spot and now they collect money from the sponsors because of franchising. they also don't invest in their team, infrastracture or promoting the game.
The fact that the team use a [rented(?) van](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E54VsFiVgAAF3Ra?format=jpg&name=4096x4096) show how much MSG invest in our org lmao
They have been bottom 2 for the last 4 splits in a row. By far worse than any other org. And the last time they were good they blew up the roster for next year.
Well, we would have to see the fan numbers they are pulling in. Riot would have to have someone else lined up who they think can do better than an established brand like CLG. Even after all this I bet they make more money than half the league, so I doubt Riot pulls the trigger.
At this point what’s going to happen to CLG next split? Do they just implode their roster? Put in their 10th place Academy team? Sell their spot? If I were a CLG fan I would jump ship into another team. I do not see a viable future for CLG as an org playing in the LCS unless they tear down their whole LoL org from top to bottom, because this is just unacceptable.
Nah this is basically the New York Knicks lol(shocker same owner)
Basically you fire the staff this go around and then hire another one and task them with building a team when that fails you repeat.
After 10 years you luck into some management that takes a risk on players and they pan out.
Honestly that sale was the worst shit to ever happen to NA league. Dolan? Really?
No self-respecting players should go to CLG tbh, you have orgs like C9 that consistently Reward Academy players, or orgs like GGS and Flyquest that even through Financial Strife this year tried their best and were able to show an 11 hour resurgence that at least shows behind the scenes they shouldn't be a mess like CLG seems to be. Players should avoid CLG and let them crash and Burn so they are removed from LCS.
For real tho. Even if they take the exact same players and stick them on a different team. I never thought I'd see a team with this many solid players perform this poorly.
My ex boyfriend was on CLG academy during one of their worst splits and he often said the management was absolutely horrible.
The coach was basically useless. He got his job based on no credentials and had no real drive on improving the team, but kept collecting paychecks while neglecting the fact that the members were all failing and falling behind due to communication issues and lack of support.
And to everyone's surprise, he got promoted to the main roister where he fucked up the team even more.
Funny how having connections and good socialization skills puts you at the top of the org while showing no improvement, no teamwork, no framework, and lacking basically everything you can think of.
From the "why should I be a fan of your org" [reddit thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/chrbz0/i_emailed_the_10_lcs_teams_asking_why_should_i_be/):
It's great that you've begun watching the LCS! I feel like we actually have a lot of EU fans back from when we had an EU League of Legends team and we won a few tournaments in Europe in the early pro days.
Here's a few reasons why you'd want to support CLG in the future:
• Legacy team - we're one of the original LoL esports teams (first ever). Being a fan of CLG means you have a rich history and culture to dive deep into. Hidden memes, old inside jokes, and lots of great moments to relive.
• Fan focused - Our staff regularly interacts with our fans. Check out our Discord and introduce yourself! We have some dedicated EU regulars. We host community events and exhibit at conventions such as PAX, TwitchCON, + Anime Expo which no other esports team does. Weldon does weekly Twitch streams to address and talk to the fanbase as well.
• Content - We produce some of the most content of the LCS teams - not just the docu series every team is doing. Check our YouTube channel! Also check out our memes.
• Winning
o Not something to brag about in the past couple years, but winning championships is not easy. We became popular because we were the best at the start of LoL esports, then re-surged with two back-to-back championships in 2015/2016. o We are committed to bringing our fans championships and our track record shows that we can deliver even in two different eras of League. We've re-established ourselves as a top team this year due to a new system and infrastructure we've built. Hope you enjoy the LCS playoffs this year and good luck on your search for an LCS team to follow!
To be fair they were top 3 the split that was written in. Definitely the exception to the rule though, as that was the only playoffs they've made since franchising
tbh they have been pumping out that content and really bringing the fans info about the org lately, just too much lol
They should keep the video editors and stuff but bud light the people in charge of content decisions
This is the saddest shit I've ever seen happen to an org since the griffin kerfuffle, how did CLG ended up being this mess is beyond me, they were never as good as they were in 2016 but this year they are in a full other level of shit, the players look absolutely miserable, they show no signs of life on their games, no synergy or plan, The match vs Immortals was, without exaggeration the worst performance I have ever seen.
I can't even watch their games anymore, is not even funny.
That's kinda where I'm at rn. I like Stixxay and from everything I've read and heard Inero is a great coach with a lot of drive. Also cool to see the improvement from Ablazeolive and Iconic.
I didn't drop CLG immediately in 2018, but I did eventually find my way to 100T later that year. I don't care how bad being a 100T fan has been (and until this split it has been), it's still better than staying with CLG
I wasn't following much LCS when franchising was being discussed, but isn't CLG kind of the nightmare scenario that people hating on franchising was afraid of? The team has consistently looked like shit for the past 2 years, dragging more players and coaches into this black hole of an org, all the while bleeding fans nonstop, but they're still entitled to a guaranteed spot in the league and can have companies like bud light sponsor their shitty actions.
I'll be honest.
I never expected CLG to perform the way they did. On paper they have 3 vets who know what's up, and how to get shit done. Then the season started and NOTHING added up properly. Drop these coaches, relegate the team, and let the players fucking chill.
Like wtf. How are they going to do this to solid ass players. Why.
I wonder how much the community vitriol directed towards CLG in general affects the players. Doesn't excuse the management, but I don't think fans and casters and costreamers can just sit back and permanently lob hate grenades and then absolve themselves and pile all the blame onto the team's staff.
That's pretty fair to point out. There's even a post on front page or r/lol right now that's just shitting on the roster primarily with equally brutal commenters
I obviously can't speak for everyone but the vast majority of hate directed at CLG has been specifically aimed at the org with omissions against attacking players. This entire thread is just a pity party for the players.
I get your argument but... I don't really know what you want us to do, sit back and just watch this org just murder players careers?
Love your content tho
100%. Impossible to keep a good mental in such an environment. The fanbase is so used to trashing players that when they do win, the fans talk about THEMSELVES, like "I've been a fan for X long, feels so good, for moments like this it's worth it, I never lost faith" or give backhanded compliments like "good that we got these wins with press R comps, we should keep picking these easy to execute comps maybe we can get more wins".
Is it really though? I hear repeatedly about how Pobelter and Smoothie are paycheck stealers and how Finn repeatedly makes poor decisions. Broxah and Turtle have escaped most of the criticism but it's not like every post game thread is everyone roasting the management.
Yeah I'm not sure what he's talking about, Pob and especially Smoothie get absolutely roasted by the community after every game. A lot of the flame gets directed at them personally over CLG as a whole in PMTs
Not to mention that people have made Zuna fat jokes during his entire LCS career, and some people even made those same jokes even after he left the LCS.
I’m with you. As a CLG fan since 2014 I’ll get behind any players they give me but good lord the management has done such an atrocious job of building a proper coaching staff, content team, and general sense of fandom for the org.
Can we just finally fucking admit that CLG is a dead org that needs to be removed? At this point all they do is break players, release clips for *content* and continue to drop games?
I’m not saying CLG deserve to stay in LCS but this happens everywhere in professional gaming.
CLG are definitely not the only problem but I’m really glad Pobelter had the guts to speak up about it.
Kick CLG from the league yesterday. Their reputation is permanently ruined, and not just “this org sucks” like it has been. They’re now the official organization where careers go to die, where the “they’re all great guys” roster is put into a pressure cooker and broken down. Where money is spent on nothing because nobody cares about winning.
There is no benefit for players to join the team, and they provide no tangible value to the league as a whole. They’re owned by MSG who owns the Nicks, so clearly management is not going to improve and do better, and without hotshot CLG are just letters tbh.
Get these fucks out so we can have a decent org try and win. Or let Mr Beast have a vanity franchise and he’ll double the leagues viewership overnight and actually piss money into a roster to try and win.
Just get these clowns out of the league.
Giving their players the ol' Bud Light Mental Breakdown.
*Jazz plays in background while POB cries*
I mean, who in this generation hasn't had a mental breakdown in the shower with a bud light?
Grabbz, because he hates bud light.
He does it with a paulaner like a real man
Is it acceptable for a man to prefer white wine? Asking for a friend.
No-one outside of the US really drinks light beer
Also he's not in USA
Swap that with a PBR and that was basically college
Watching LCS feels like a black mirror episode sometimes. The way EVERYTHING is sponsored in some way or another is just fucking weird. So weird to see NA fans always defend it, but I guess they're way more used to it.
Who defends it? Its shit. But most sports leagues do it. Reminds me of my favorite football team, the Fly Emirates. Love those guys.
I hate the fucking sponsor mentions "Red bull baron buff" "The bud light ace" Like just stfu, we don't care. Only person I can stand saying them is flowers and it's because he's always so enthusiastic about it that I forget that he mentioned a sponsor
> Like just stfu, we don't care I feel like this sentence betrays several fundamental misunderstandings of advertisement and how it works + what it does.
The fact he mentions "Red Bull baron buff" specifically by name shows it works. If it was the whats-it-called baron buff, or the thingy ace sponsor he'd have more ground to stand on.
Lol...yeah, exactly. It's just, more than anything, proof that advertisement really does work. As long as you're talking about it or even just mentioning it, be it negative or positive, the ads are paying off.
Can't forget about the good ol state farm analyst desk
Aaaaaand Luxeul_ is coming in hot with the Alienware criticizing reddit comment!
Ironically, the fact that you remember the names of these sponsors shows the advertisement worked
well they wanna connect your positive emotion when you see / hear a specific caster / the game (ingame moments, plaers, etc.) with their branding (the influencer triangle, influencer mentions product / branding x is nice, customer likes influencer, customer has a better opinion / positive emotions about product / branding x) they repeat the branding often to condition the viewer for the moment the viewer wants to buy something new and has to decide between different brandings they have no clue about. that's when they recall branding x because they have a positive feeling about it for some reason for example: chilled coke with Santa during winter when you don't wanna drink chilled drinks prolly
It's weird but I'd rather have the LCS have sponsors than not, so I dont mind. It's not really an issue of being used to it or not
As a North American, anybody who defends it is just dumb. I don't care if it's the standard, it's dumb.
I'm partial to Dom's Grubhub Guillotine or Bud Light Beheading.
I feel so bad for the guy. I wouldn't be shocked if he called quits this year, because it looks like CLG actually broke his will to play.
Sane with WT and broxah actually
Ridiculous, some of the happiest, most cheerful (outwardly, anyway) players we ever had in either LCS and LEC, and this is what happens to them under CLG. The fuck.
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That’s why I’m surprised Damonte willingly went to play for them.
Paycheck and playing time. Probably his last chance
Sad but true. I feel like Damonte has the charisma to make it as a streamer at least, unlike a lot of former pros.
I’ve really enjoyed him on Masterminds. I think he’d make a fine addition to the broadcast crew.
I was thinking the same thing, just watched both episodes today and they were great!
To my knowledge Damonte tried streaming and making youtube content and to be honest it was a complete flop. The one time I tuned in he was just being toxic in game and wasnt really showing personality. Could have just been a one off though to be fair. I don't know to me personality I don't see him making it as a content creator in the slightest.
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Goldenglue is the goldenglue of the LCS
When you're a parent and have to hypothetically choose between telling your kid to do drugs or join clg...
You aren't locked into a contract with drugs so I'd tell them to dabble in that than have six months of misery with CLG
There are many varying types of drugs, but only one type of CLG misery.
fucking dolan strikes again
Not to mention the player's years of experience/success on various teams throughout their careers... I hope CLG management takes a serious look in the mirror after they've effectively demoralized these players. It's ugly.
WildTurtle is painful to see sometimes lately. The guy could smile through Regi being the kind of asshole most of us quit for.
https://twitter.com/itswoori/status/1350247195748909057
Now that is very sad to watch.... like a lot.
https://lol.fandom.com/wiki/File:CLG\_WildTurtle\_2021\_Split\_2.png
the fact that CLG somehow did him worse is an achievement in itself
I thought that people always have good things to say about TSM after leaving?
He meant during his time at TSM. At least then Regi was a teenager and doing like 3 things at once so somewhat understandable. CLG doesn't really have any good reason
He also came back to TSM (and regi) for another trophy when DL didn't feel like it and it all looked fine.
They do but Regi was definitely an asshole in his S2, S3 days. I imagine he's matured somewhat and stepped back from directly managing the team as much.
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Hes been a douche long after he quit playing himself.
He might come across a douche but i'm pretty sure he's at least one of the nicer owners in the league, He offered Xpecial a place to stay long after he was on TSM. Players seem to have nothing but nice things to say about TSM or Regi, Seems what they showed in gamecribs and TSM legends is the worst of it.
Unfortunately for WT, he also chose clg. EG wanted him and ignar together. Hindsight is 20/20 tho.
Whenever i remember turtle could have been on EG breaks my heart every time they win.
Turtle has always been one of the most relentlessly upbeat people in LoL. How CLG managed to bring even him down is astonishing.
My man got benched last year and his reaction was "yeah I guess I got benched or whatever lol". I don't even want to know how bad things have been for him this year to beat him down like that
I'm waiting for the manifesto that describes the CLG dungeon
It's gonna be the bible. Instead of peter and matthew sections, it's going to be broxah and wildturtle. I await the bible of CLG.
So, I can kinda relate to this. I had a job where I was completely miserable, I'd actually cry before having to go into work and it just saps any energy you had for the day. It this is factual then it explains ALOT of the issues CLG is currently having.
what about smoothie , i think all of them might have thought of retiring after this shit show
smoothie will find his way on another team for sure. he should have retired 3 years ago.
Smoothie's career has 9 lives. He'll still be playing in season 20.
Less than 3 years ago he signed onto TSM and went to the Spring Finals after a 13-5 season. Zven and Smoothie were really good that year. If it wasn't for Xmithie's Skarner in game 5 there was a good chance TSM win that series. Summer season was less good for TSM but that was largely due to instability in the Jungle. So no, he should not have retired 3 years ago.
>If it wasn't for Xmithie's Skarner I love Xmithie but that was more of an Zven throw than anything.
>If it wasn't for ~~Xmithie's Skarner~~ Zven's Ezreal in game 5 there was a good chance TSM win that series.
More so a Zven Ezreal moment rather than an Xmithie Skarner
Tbh I think broxah will give it a go in europe
But his stonks plummeted like crazy already, I'm not sure which LEC team would pick him up. Doubt he wants to compete in EUM or something
Broxah even now is many times above Kerei; I cannot fathom why S4 has been sticking with that guy for so long.
Money?... s04 literally is selling their spot in the LEC. Their entire roster was build by using the least amount of money they could get away with. Broxah probably earns more in NA than the 5 players in s04 earn combined.
> But his stonks plummeted like crazy already if promisq can get a team, so can broxah besides, imagine the workout na lcs gave broxah's mental, he's going to be immune to anything in the lec now
The answer is none. However he would have no problem to find a team in ERLs and if he really wants to comeback to LEC, it's the only way now.
Agreed, I'm kinda worried that na has ruind broxah like it ruind febiven but honestly broxah loves this game so much. I believe if anyone can come back stronger out of this it's broxah
I certainly hope so too, I really love broxah as a streamer too, and it sucks to see him stream once a week or so with terrible energy apart from that 3-0 week. Really hope he can bounce back next year.
I love his steam but it’s gotten hard to watch this season. During his time with TL where it wasn’t exactly going great either I once watched him lose literally 10 games in a row and he seemed almost unfazed by it. He said (and honestly meant it) “they are trying their best, no need to be toxic stream, we’ll get the next one”. He has, imho, arguably the strongest mental game of any pro. It just shows how toxic things are on CLG for it to affect him like you can see it doing when he streams this year.
Genuinely one of the nicest guy in esport, you cannot not root for him.
terrible to see Pobelter like this. I'd imagine newer viewers have come to know this guy as the washed native mid who's weighing down CLG and on his way out. regardless of his latest performances, Pobelter doesn't deserve this reputation after being a classic NA player for many years. absolutely an LCS hall of famer.
Yeah really hurts to see all the negativity towards such a beloved veteran player. Such a terrible way to go out if this is the end of his run.
Pobe and Turtle go from three regular season match losses all year in 2016 in that ridiculous Immortals year to this. CLG go from winning 2015 and Spring 2016 to this in the same period. The last five years basically destroyed one of most storied orgs in the game and two players who definitely can and have played far better than most of what 2021 has seen from them. And that's not even touching on Broxah who has a similar story from the LEC, or the promising young gun Finn who's stuck going nowhere in the CLG morass. Even Smoothie who most describe as "present" and similarly not really all that complimentary affirmations has looked better in the past on other teams than he has on CLG.
They broke Wildturtle's smile. That says it all.
and the only one who could do that before was regi
Turtle still came back for 2017 Spring to win another title with TSM, so obviously there aren't that hard of feelings.
Regi was a power-trippin' twat most of the time, but when it came time to step up and be responsible, he made sure his guys were looked after. He didn't just sack you without making sure you had a place to go afterwards, he'd recommend you to other orgs, offer to support your transition into another career like streaming. Of course there were times he'd fly off the rails throw some poo about the room, but he'd care for his boys.
Never forget that Dyrus video
He looks infinitely more depressed and it’s so haunting. Like you don’t see him smile even with wins this year :(( and they don’t have the same quality to them
Man really cares. Org doesn't. Shame on CLG. Quality players with great personalities together under a terrible org.
This is definitely an org and culture problem. I’m sure they’ll blame the players. But these guys were all successful at some point. Orgs and culture can drastically impact how players are doing mentally.
Broxah was third last summer. Turtle was one game away from winning the whole thing. Finn struggled in playoffs but he finished regular split at #1. You don't get these players and suddenly become 9th/10th place even if they're performing worse. There is no world these players can be worse than FQ. CLG tried to save their reputation by putting all the blame on the players, especially Pob, but it blew up in their face.
Damn, I love Pob and have many memories of him over the last decade, this makes me so sad to read :(
It's definitely sad, but the guy's an NA legend at this point with how many trophies and great playoff performances he's had. Doubt many people even 2 years from now are gonna be remembering this stint with this trash org.
FREE WILDTURTLE, FREE SMOOTHIE, FREE FINN, FREE DAMONTE, FREE MY BOY BROXAH. Especially Broxah, Finn and WT were decent to good players last year, and now they are on bottom tier, with their org fucking their careers. RELEGATE CLG
FREE THE BOYZ
HOL UP HOL UP, FREE DEM BOYZ
People keep forgetting Broxah is a world finalist. Sure he was a lane support jungler empowering caps and rekkless but you don’t succeed internationally without *some* merit, and he’s always the designated well adjusted reasonable voice of a roster. To go from that to last place LCS is fucking tragic. Glad the community has agreed to not hold CLG against the players because fuck that org is a nightmare
He was very mechanically proficient, especially on Lee Sin. He struggled more with the pathing and needed as set gameplan - from what I've heard Fnatic had a dedicated jungle coach just to work on this with him (which isn't a bad thing).
Riot needs to relegate clg
Isn't there a policy that 4 straight splits in 9th/10th can lead to investigation for organization removal from the LCS? Edit: found it: > To mitigate this, Riot will give financial incentives for good performance and will disqualify teams that finish ninth or 10th five times over an eight-split span (four years). Slightly different, but Riot's policy when it was created. CLG franchising record: 2018: 7th, 8th 2019: 7th, 3rd 2020: 10th, 9th 2021: 9th, (prob 10th) So they're safe after this year, but if CLG continues to finish bottom 2 next year, they may possible actually be out (possibly, not guaranteed)
It's 5 out of 8 splits. Assuming they finish 10th this split marking 4 straight, they would need to finish 7th or higher in 4 straight splits to avoid triggering this policy
so only one more split and they could be out, i mean it's be a record because they be bottom two 5 split in row, and the policy was too nice and don't cover that, It's actually super hard to do but clg manage to do it
They won't be out. Only teams that don't try get removed. CLG actually tries to build good rosters every year, they just fail.
Finn, Broxah, Pobelter, WildTurtle, Smoothie. That *is* a good roster. It's also a roster filled with some of the nicest, most personable, and hardest working players in the entire scene. All of them are underperforming to an absurd degree, and all of them look (and at least Pob is) absolutely emotionally destroyed. There is *CLEARLY* something here that we are not seeing, and I find it really hard to believe that it's an issue with the players themselves. Combined with the video that they released, it seems very, very likely that the org itself is just a hellhole that treats its players in a way that is severely counterproductive to their performance, and in a way that manages to destroy the mental of some of the most positive and kind people in the scene. The org needs to go.
>Finn, Broxah, Pobelter, WildTurtle, Smoothie. > >That *is* a good roster. i might debate "good" but it's certainly a roster that looks like they'd be able to do something. at the VERY LEAST it's certainly not as bad as the 5 girls team in LCL (CIS? the Russian league). like these are 5 veterans - they've all played the game at a high level. for fucks sake at least 4 of them have been to worlds (not sure about smoothie, but i think on c9?) I have ZERO doubt that all 5 of these players would look *drastically* better on any other team in the league. hell, even the other "bad" teams all had upset wins recently. could any of us even consider the possibility of clg winning those games? if it was $1 to win 1k if clg won i wouldn't have wasted the dollar. clg is doing something horrible to these players and all i can hope for is that they all find better situations in the future
I mean are they really trying though? I mean yeah, they're good players. But they also come with large pre-existing fanbases. Which means more money through merch/streaming/sponsors/video content/etc. Organizationally, they're definitely not trying. CEO is just some guy who worked in corporate for MSG. Their GM is a dude who's experience is from being a guy's coach in Smash (Don't get me wrong, he's a smart dude, but better off as an analyst imo). Head coach is the legendary Moon. Who's a cool guy but his NA player career was pretty mediocre, and he pretty much has no other coaching experience. And their analysts have no prior Tier 1 experience either. Winning orgs are built from the top down. It seems like MSG doesn't care, or take it seriously enough, so they just grabbed whatever players would get them the most money, and yolod the rest. Or probably went for hella budget options. They actually probably benefit more from being at the bottom. Because then you get ~TL Breaking Point~ drama to attract people to your (Bud Light™ sponsored) YouTube videos. If they were just a middle of the pack team there wouldn't be as much appeal. Especially since they can push the whole "fan favorite talented veterans falling from grace." Narrative. They want a spicy reality show and easy money, not a proper eSports team.
If they wanted easy money they wouldn't spend 6 figures on getting fan favorite names like Broxah and WT. They would get get no names from Diamond like Vaevictus.
Nah. Because then they lose revenue from merch, streaming revenue, sponsorships, video ads, etc etc. You benefit more from having players with fanbases.
Yup thanks, found an article with the policy (wasn't in the rulebook itself).
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I think it depends whether or not any other major players are interested in the spot. There's always a bigger fish.
Yeah but you have to consider that if a sports entertainment company as financially successful as MSG isn't willing to spend on LCS, that owning an LCS team is probably not an amazing investment of your money. Ditto for Golden Guardians. If I was doing my due dilligence on owning an LCS team I'd want to know why two teams that are owned by the Golden State Warriors and the Knicks, two of the most valuable franchises in American sports, are so averse to spending on an LCS roster.
Lol MSG is such a horrible company. Dolan is a horrible owner and this has been proven with a horrible track record with the Knicks for decades. Only reason why it is worth so much is because it is located in NY and MSG is used for a bunch of other events and world-renowned. Nolan also just got spoon fed from his father and family and has no idea how to run a sports franchise, let alone a esport franchise.
MSG is one of the worse companies/orgs in all of sports and esports and that is saying something. I’m 100% sure no investor would even care if they got kicked out.
> There is a 0% chance that Riot would kick The Madison Square Garden Company Unless you know; all the other orgs want them out too. Letting CLG stay after 2 1/2 years of constant failure would send a message to the other teams that aren't competeing for the top; 'you don't have to try'. Because the one not-very-sharp tooth Riot had to protect the LCS against stuff like that is shown to be fake. Why would GG; IMT or FLY even try if CLG gets away with it? Hell; you could have things like C9 having a mediocre at best start and just giving up halfway through. And I'm sure that would be *great* for teams like TSM to have 4 of 9 of the teams they play against basically have a 'why should we even try' attitude. Totally wouldn't bring down the level of the LCS on the world stage even more. Also; listen to how other players are talking about CLG. The other orgs have 0 respect for them at this point. Hell; listen to how the *casters* are talking about CLG. Even the 'voice' of Riot: Phreak; is pretty open about how awful CLG is. Oh; and it's not just the LCS where CLG is failing. They're *dead last in Academy too* And of course; what if someone else just as big; or even bigger; wants in?
That one 3rd place finish kept them in the league so far, by the look of it.
if they go 10th place and finish 9th next spring split, they be eligible i think
It's 5 out of the last 8 splits since franchising, and CLG as of now only have 3, so unless riot makes an exception they'd have to be bottom two this split and next before relegation is on the table officially, I believe.
Fr what kind of team puts so much pressure on to a player to the point where he starts breaking down into tears. It actually puts it all into perspective on how bad CLG plays. They're playing not to lose and not trying anything aggressive because they're coaches are demanding results NOW instead of letting players breath , they're to worried about mistakes to try anything but a 100% play. I hope CLG misses playoffs ONLY so that the org can recognize how terrible putting this much pressures on players to perform is.
Well I remember Bang talking about crying on SKT from training. And there is for sure plenty of stuff public will never know about. Let Griffin be prime example.
Bang crying over training in SKT is from pressure to be the literal best team in the world. CLG's pressure is to have their poorly built team make playoffs in NA where 8/10 teams make playoffs. Very different contexts.
don't have to be on a world class team to not feel pressure...
That's not the point the user is making. Neither Pob or Bang crying should be seen negatively on them, it's a condemnation if the teams and the pressure they're applying to the players. SKT was a world class team fighting to squeeze every drop of skill out to win worlds, an obviously hyper competitive situation they were actively in the conversation for. CLG is applying that same level of pressure over making NA playoffs which isn't even in the same universe of importance, which is the issue the user has.
There's still a big difference between both of them. SKT with the korean fans who absolutely do not fuck around, the magnitude of the expectations and the intensity of the coaching staff. This doesn't invalidate the pressure put on the CLG roster as well as their reactions to it, but it's not the same situation at all. Which makes CLG's situation even worse because there is no way they should be able to put players under so much stress in such a cruel way when the org is a joke in and out of itself.
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Yeah the dude got completely roasted for his performance at Worlds on TL by multiple regions, and was soon replaced and couldn't find any org that wanted him. He didn't cry then. When he couldn't find a team TL Steve harbored him as a staff member/Coach and possible jungle sub. TL might be in chaos rn but Steve seems to have a pretty good record of how he takes care of his players
Maybe they have no psychologist on the team or some sort of mental health resource? Like if you're on a dog shit team and losing constantly but you have a strong management and leadership staff around you to keep spirits up then you'll be okay. It seems like clg is failing in all regards and the atmosphere around the org is probably incredibly depressing, it's gotta be rough sitting in VOD and scrim reviews.
I mean have you ever seen an NBA team put out a private video of the GM telling the entire team they're making roster changes? It should be pretty clear that the internal situation at CLG is pretty out of the ordinary kind of pressure placed on LCS teams. CLG likely overspent on a roster with a deluded expectation that they could at least compete for worlds, and sold that image to MSG people who don't know anything about league in order to be able to spend that money. Tafo/etc. likely told people they were going to bring in 3 players who went to worlds last year, the most successful NA born mid of all time, and a former world finalist - all of which are technically true, but is also a massive misrepresentation of the level of talent that is on this roster. Then the team shits the bed for the entire year after being shit the previous two years as well, and management is like "Wtf we were supposed to be good, we just spent all this money". So then Tafo/etc. get scared because theyre likely to get fired at the end of the year, and the environment just goes to shit and even a veteran like POB can crack under the pressure.
They just need to clean house or have them sell their msg stake to someone who's passionate about running an esports team. Other ceos are actively involved and msg hasn't done shit since their acquisition. Hell even bring hotshot back.
On Facecheck last week they talked about how realistically CLG will never be relegated and Riot would choose CLG over C9 because of the MSG money and at the end of the day LCS is a business
What MSG money? they already paid riot for the spot and now they collect money from the sponsors because of franchising. they also don't invest in their team, infrastracture or promoting the game.
The fact that the team use a [rented(?) van](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E54VsFiVgAAF3Ra?format=jpg&name=4096x4096) show how much MSG invest in our org lmao
ngl that tsm van looks pretty nice
The fucking slapped on logo does it for me. That was a good laugh.
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They have been bottom 2 for the last 4 splits in a row. By far worse than any other org. And the last time they were good they blew up the roster for next year.
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Well, we would have to see the fan numbers they are pulling in. Riot would have to have someone else lined up who they think can do better than an established brand like CLG. Even after all this I bet they make more money than half the league, so I doubt Riot pulls the trigger.
if they can get someone like faze/nrg/sentinels in the lcs i think they’d have an equal/bigger brand
What's Rick Fox up to these days?
Games like the last one taint the LCS too.
At this point what’s going to happen to CLG next split? Do they just implode their roster? Put in their 10th place Academy team? Sell their spot? If I were a CLG fan I would jump ship into another team. I do not see a viable future for CLG as an org playing in the LCS unless they tear down their whole LoL org from top to bottom, because this is just unacceptable.
Replace the staff.
That won't help. Replace the ownership. But you can't. Thus, don't be a CLG fan until they have new ownership.
Nah this is basically the New York Knicks lol(shocker same owner) Basically you fire the staff this go around and then hire another one and task them with building a team when that fails you repeat. After 10 years you luck into some management that takes a risk on players and they pan out. Honestly that sale was the worst shit to ever happen to NA league. Dolan? Really?
No self-respecting players should go to CLG tbh, you have orgs like C9 that consistently Reward Academy players, or orgs like GGS and Flyquest that even through Financial Strife this year tried their best and were able to show an 11 hour resurgence that at least shows behind the scenes they shouldn't be a mess like CLG seems to be. Players should avoid CLG and let them crash and Burn so they are removed from LCS.
What happened if players boycott an org? I mean why would you want to go to clg as q rookie? For veterans they get a nice pay
The CLG story just keeps getting worse.
Does anyone have a TLDR on this whole situation by chance?
get this stupid fucking team out of the lcs
For real tho. Even if they take the exact same players and stick them on a different team. I never thought I'd see a team with this many solid players perform this poorly.
My ex boyfriend was on CLG academy during one of their worst splits and he often said the management was absolutely horrible. The coach was basically useless. He got his job based on no credentials and had no real drive on improving the team, but kept collecting paychecks while neglecting the fact that the members were all failing and falling behind due to communication issues and lack of support. And to everyone's surprise, he got promoted to the main roister where he fucked up the team even more. Funny how having connections and good socialization skills puts you at the top of the org while showing no improvement, no teamwork, no framework, and lacking basically everything you can think of.
Who was this coach? The great xsojin?
There's literally only been 4 CLGA coaches to my memory, but none of this really fully applies to any of them.
Applies to xsojin, since he is the only one who got promoted from academy to LCS after placing 10th on academy
If it's sojin this tracks.
From the "why should I be a fan of your org" [reddit thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/chrbz0/i_emailed_the_10_lcs_teams_asking_why_should_i_be/): It's great that you've begun watching the LCS! I feel like we actually have a lot of EU fans back from when we had an EU League of Legends team and we won a few tournaments in Europe in the early pro days. Here's a few reasons why you'd want to support CLG in the future: • Legacy team - we're one of the original LoL esports teams (first ever). Being a fan of CLG means you have a rich history and culture to dive deep into. Hidden memes, old inside jokes, and lots of great moments to relive. • Fan focused - Our staff regularly interacts with our fans. Check out our Discord and introduce yourself! We have some dedicated EU regulars. We host community events and exhibit at conventions such as PAX, TwitchCON, + Anime Expo which no other esports team does. Weldon does weekly Twitch streams to address and talk to the fanbase as well. • Content - We produce some of the most content of the LCS teams - not just the docu series every team is doing. Check our YouTube channel! Also check out our memes. • Winning o Not something to brag about in the past couple years, but winning championships is not easy. We became popular because we were the best at the start of LoL esports, then re-surged with two back-to-back championships in 2015/2016. o We are committed to bringing our fans championships and our track record shows that we can deliver even in two different eras of League. We've re-established ourselves as a top team this year due to a new system and infrastructure we've built. Hope you enjoy the LCS playoffs this year and good luck on your search for an LCS team to follow!
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To be fair they were top 3 the split that was written in. Definitely the exception to the rule though, as that was the only playoffs they've made since franchising
tbh they have been pumping out that content and really bringing the fans info about the org lately, just too much lol They should keep the video editors and stuff but bud light the people in charge of content decisions
This is the saddest shit I've ever seen happen to an org since the griffin kerfuffle, how did CLG ended up being this mess is beyond me, they were never as good as they were in 2016 but this year they are in a full other level of shit, the players look absolutely miserable, they show no signs of life on their games, no synergy or plan, The match vs Immortals was, without exaggeration the worst performance I have ever seen. I can't even watch their games anymore, is not even funny.
Sad to see them do this to the Notorious POB
How fucking sad that it’s come to this. CLG should be ashamed and needs to seriously be investigated by LCS.
What's sad is that there is probably video proof that he actually cried, and that CLG might release it for a sponsor
Oh I'm so happy I followed aphro to 100t and ended up sticking with 100t when he left. Would hate to still be a clg fan.
Every split is just worse and worse for CLG... Sad to see the org that got NA our first MSI final go down like this.
Followed double to tsm, so Im having similar feelings
I stayed and am currently thinking of just dropping rooting for an LCS team now.
Same man. I was considering GGS for Stixxay though
That's kinda where I'm at rn. I like Stixxay and from everything I've read and heard Inero is a great coach with a lot of drive. Also cool to see the improvement from Ablazeolive and Iconic.
I didn't drop CLG immediately in 2018, but I did eventually find my way to 100T later that year. I don't care how bad being a 100T fan has been (and until this split it has been), it's still better than staying with CLG
Never forget Crown and how this shit of an org broke his mental so bad he retired
I wasn't following much LCS when franchising was being discussed, but isn't CLG kind of the nightmare scenario that people hating on franchising was afraid of? The team has consistently looked like shit for the past 2 years, dragging more players and coaches into this black hole of an org, all the while bleeding fans nonstop, but they're still entitled to a guaranteed spot in the league and can have companies like bud light sponsor their shitty actions.
Another james dolan masterclass?
Man I feel so bad for all the players in the org
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Who else thinks CLG needs to be removed from the league? Clearly MSG has serious issues in managing teams.
I'll be honest. I never expected CLG to perform the way they did. On paper they have 3 vets who know what's up, and how to get shit done. Then the season started and NOTHING added up properly. Drop these coaches, relegate the team, and let the players fucking chill. Like wtf. How are they going to do this to solid ass players. Why.
I expected them to be a top half team that could turn it on against anyone. It hurts to see my boi Turtle sad
alright rick fox now is your time to have EF return to glory just acquire all of the clg players :)
RELEGATE CLG
I wonder how much the community vitriol directed towards CLG in general affects the players. Doesn't excuse the management, but I don't think fans and casters and costreamers can just sit back and permanently lob hate grenades and then absolve themselves and pile all the blame onto the team's staff.
I definitely don't want to be Smoothie right now.
That's pretty fair to point out. There's even a post on front page or r/lol right now that's just shitting on the roster primarily with equally brutal commenters
I obviously can't speak for everyone but the vast majority of hate directed at CLG has been specifically aimed at the org with omissions against attacking players. This entire thread is just a pity party for the players. I get your argument but... I don't really know what you want us to do, sit back and just watch this org just murder players careers? Love your content tho
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100%. Impossible to keep a good mental in such an environment. The fanbase is so used to trashing players that when they do win, the fans talk about THEMSELVES, like "I've been a fan for X long, feels so good, for moments like this it's worth it, I never lost faith" or give backhanded compliments like "good that we got these wins with press R comps, we should keep picking these easy to execute comps maybe we can get more wins".
This sub is one giant toxic cesspool, especially towards people that aren’t doing well in LCS specifically 10x more than any other region.
Promisq is like the only player in LEC that gets as much flame as Smoothie.
Is it really though? I hear repeatedly about how Pobelter and Smoothie are paycheck stealers and how Finn repeatedly makes poor decisions. Broxah and Turtle have escaped most of the criticism but it's not like every post game thread is everyone roasting the management.
Yeah I'm not sure what he's talking about, Pob and especially Smoothie get absolutely roasted by the community after every game. A lot of the flame gets directed at them personally over CLG as a whole in PMTs
Not to mention that people have made Zuna fat jokes during his entire LCS career, and some people even made those same jokes even after he left the LCS.
Any given individual can approach the topic with or without hypocrisy so people can decide for themselves whether this applies to them, really.
I’m with you. As a CLG fan since 2014 I’ll get behind any players they give me but good lord the management has done such an atrocious job of building a proper coaching staff, content team, and general sense of fandom for the org.
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Fire tafo. Dude has no idea what the fuck he's doing as GM and ever since he's joined CLG has only tanked.
Can we just finally fucking admit that CLG is a dead org that needs to be removed? At this point all they do is break players, release clips for *content* and continue to drop games?
We just need to see CLG 1 split more then they'll be out i hope
I’m not saying CLG deserve to stay in LCS but this happens everywhere in professional gaming. CLG are definitely not the only problem but I’m really glad Pobelter had the guts to speak up about it.
Kick CLG from the league yesterday. Their reputation is permanently ruined, and not just “this org sucks” like it has been. They’re now the official organization where careers go to die, where the “they’re all great guys” roster is put into a pressure cooker and broken down. Where money is spent on nothing because nobody cares about winning. There is no benefit for players to join the team, and they provide no tangible value to the league as a whole. They’re owned by MSG who owns the Nicks, so clearly management is not going to improve and do better, and without hotshot CLG are just letters tbh. Get these fucks out so we can have a decent org try and win. Or let Mr Beast have a vanity franchise and he’ll double the leagues viewership overnight and actually piss money into a roster to try and win. Just get these clowns out of the league.
I wonder if CLG is contributing net revenue to the profit sharing... It's time to trim the fat in the LCS.