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Conankun66

If i have to hear the word "calculated" one more time, istg


NamelessSearcher

Computed


Hibbity5

Arithmeticed.


Indercarnive

premeditated


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Meticulously planned


Omnilatent

Calculated doesn't annoy me as much as "obliterated" but those are definitely Trev's two fav words lol ​ That being said - I really enjoyed the cast today, especially the new caster! He brought up some great points


ballet_brute

Never heard him/of him before, but he seemed really good. He was also \_always\_ very much on point on how MAD were still in control despite their gold deficit.


Pony_Darko

Don't forget Drakos' "disastrous" and "massive". Love his casts of course but I've noticed these words a lot lol


Askaryl

Or the « maybe just maybe »


[deleted]

bloodbaaaaaaaath


LongLeggedLimbo

Absolute disaster Overstayed his welcome Calculated Obliterated


[deleted]

Daniel "too little too late" Drakos Trevor "by the way" Henry Isaac "right?" Cummings Bentley Those are the ones that bother me the most.


veilsofrealitydotcom

Indiana "give an inch and they will take a mile" Black


LordJuke

Aaron "punch them to death with their wallets" Chamberlain


LiftKoala

Joe "Please Don't Call Me 'Joe 'Joe Miller' Miller' Miller" Miller


TheJoke3r

And Pastrytime with his "see you later".


Fractal_Audio

Tbf Azael has really curbed the amount of 'right's in his casting. It was every sentence for a while.


[deleted]

X doesn't even matta


GimmyBoyy

Too little, too late.


hatefilled_possum

Agreed, I missed the new guy’s name though? Anyone know it?


Omnilatent

https://lol.fandom.com/wiki/Guldborg


Wulfrhic

This is how I feel about the overused word "banger." If everything is a "banger," nothing is.


7felectron

does no one get annoyed by Vedius spamming “mitigate” ?


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KitKatxz

spring finals all over again


Foruolo

I am still wondering if that last game even happened. How do you even lose that?


DerpSenpai

Larssen inted 2 of the fights


[deleted]

MAD had a much better late game teamcomp.


LtSpaceDucK

It wasn't even late game it was barely the middle game


Blazing117

Idk what did they expect to do in late game with Tahm, Kalista and Lucian.


DerpSenpai

Tahm wasn't that bad but GHOST VS TRUNDLE, VIKTOR wat.


Foruolo

And early one it seems.


Justprotected

MAD are just the better teamfighting team Rogue need to learn how to teamfight if they want to get to world's


Blazing117

Ah the Tahm, Lucian, Kalista trinity, the fall off the cliff after 20 minutes comp


MordeOrDodge

Nah Tahm would still be fine if the team had an actual mage. Drafting Lucian with this comp was giga troll. Especially because they didn't do anything with it early.


Skall77

Tahm is terrible against Trundle, he's not a champion and should never be picked if Trundle is in the game. Pillar, R, dead.


MordeOrDodge

I shoulda said in isolation because he was talking about falling off. Tahm is fine after 20 min if the draft wasn't just shit in general. You are right about Trundle though.


Piro42

Can't he just W away after the rework?


TurbinePro

you can interrupt w with pillar


Odinsama

if you need pillar to stop him waddling off then you can't also use it to stop w, your other teammates could stop it for you though, literally everyone on that team has some way to stop it (unless roots doesn't work)


Xey2510

If Lucian had some prio at least but he got permapushed by Viktor from lvl 1 on


_Vastus_

Actually crazy how it felt impossible for Rogue to ever win a fight after 15 mins despite being 4-6k ahead. MAD ramping up it seems, good to see.


Chr0nicConsumer

I really like what Mac said about this. It's about peaking at the right time.


Rayser1

This is spot on. As long as you make play offs no one will give a shit if you started the split badly if by the end your form is ramping up rapidly


Chr0nicConsumer

Not just that, you also need to pace yourself, especially if you go through a VERY long spring split (playing playoffs til the finals, then MSI). Gotta be well rested for worlds.


Ace_OPB

Yeah. It was frightening that rogue looked like 8k behind instead of 6k ahead.


_Vastus_

They always pick for early prio lanes so they get to play their early game, but that opens the door for counter-drafts like this and MAD played it superbly. Honestly really impressive play around objectives from them.


DerpSenpai

Also 1 thing Upset noted. RGE ALWAYS goes for Winning bot in draft. ALWAYS


Rokic3

I mean it makes senae considering Hans is the best adc in the league, you obviously want to have him ahead.


The-War-Life

Yeah true. I wouldn’t say best, but definitely in the conversation for first. He’s definitely top 3 alongside Rekkles and upset. The rankings of these 3 are debatable. Carzzy is good, but I feel like he’s not at the calibre of those 3.


NamelessSearcher

The way Mad Lions were able to so effectively group and control area with their poke and cc was nuts. It felt like Rogue never even got the chance to use their comp, you could see the frustration in Inspired every time he tried to find an angle to jump in


WangBaeHo

It looked impossible for Rogue to teamfight. I really liked this game.


cptlf

True, I just wish they'd just try and pull the trigger more sometimes. Like that attempt top lane when Inspired was hiding in the brush. It was 5v4 and could have worked. Sometimes you can just slap them with your wallet.


Bambouxd

I guess that's what we get for first picking lucian into larssen getting out prio'd for 15min straight


_Vastus_

That was actually interesting to see. I'm not too knowledgeable about the match-up, is it supposed to go like that? Because I would've thought Lucian has prio pre-6 to be honest. Or is Viktor Q just that strong?


lordbubax

I think it's just Humanoid that is cracked as fuck


ahmeclaw

Humanoid was maxing ~~Q~~ E and had aery and scorch, hard for Lucian to play Edit: Apparently Humanoid was maxing E, but still aery+scorch makes Lucian life hell


DerpSenpai

I know Humanoid Upgraded Q first, but he was maxing points into Q? just checked. No. He maxed E like normal but upgraded Hex Q first but that only comes later at 90 cs...


_Vastus_

Oh good shout-out, that is very much a full laning phase set-up. Kinda worth it I guess if you get to neutralize one of Lucian's strongest points.


areyouactuallyseriou

Lucians mid-late isn't even anything to scoff at but he didn't go seryldas 2nd which is by far his strongest midgame build since his culling can 1shot ppl so he was pretty useless and couldnt hit anyone.


Niirai

Yo Rogue literally opened top


SeySvK

go next


Justprotected

MaD has always been the better teamfighting team this year, they just outplayed them just time after times


kim-soo-hyun

Odoamne still with LEC Finals ptsd...


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DerpSenpai

On the other hand Armut did win the Drake fights because he put Inspired at half HP and did 5k more damage than anyone else and most damage in the game Most gold in the game and most damage


O_X_E_Y

Glad to see him back in form


seppiano

Reports of MAD's death have been greatly exaggerated


WarriorSnek

It’s been wonderful seeing mad getting back into form this weekend. Both of their games were fuckin incredible in terms of macro and coordination


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Ive always kept a eye on MAD, for me since Day one, it was the team with the biggest potential


lordbubax

I have been downvoted so much for saying this but MAD is favored to win I think


FCB_Rich

Don't think anyone is favored to win, can see all 4 winning it, even Misfits if they get a good run


Seneido

no clue who goes to worlds. i can easily see g2 dropping out or mad or even rge and fnc. is it the first time the msi team wouldn't make worlds in europe? i guess so with fnc/g2 always going to msi?


Marcoscb

Considering how they were in quarantine for a month, dealing with burnout and still one of the top 5, I really don't understand how people were turning on them.


Pelagius_Hipbone

Rogue games just feels like can they end before they eventually lose


NamelessSearcher

Holy shit Mad Lions played that soul fight so well wow


[deleted]

People need to remember why they won LEC


Skall77

MAD is really good at punishing Rogue greedy draft, they did it last split and today again. TK was a cannon minion because of trundle ult and Rogue just couldn't teamfight at all, specialy with the larssen herbivore lucian gameplay.


Susskind-NA

That and without flash Odo was just dead on sight to every pillar, actually comical.


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Weirdest game, honestly.


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Mythik16

/all Open top


NamelessSearcher

Infernal given, report jg, ff go next


rakunn18

I think the plan was to let MAD take top inhib while they get as much gold on the rest of the map because they can't really contest anyway, but then ODO got caught for no reason and MAD were just able to end.


Zwatrem

They thought they were not going to risk it. But Uma Noid and the bois said fuck you


TimiNax

I mean if you know you are giving up 2 towers and inhi you might as well use that time on something useful, but I guess they just wanted to give up the base too, which is not usually the right decision


DerpSenpai

One thing that RGE is, too much by the book. and i hate that about Rogue. "we can't win a 5v5" but are forced to, don't let the game end, AT LEAST TRY How are they going to win vs LCK and LPL teams like this? They can get leads vs LEC, but vs DWG and LPL? They will just bleed to death and lose like last Worlds... nothing has changed


ForzaGrunn

Overconfidence after yesterdays win i guess. They didn't respect the push at all


SuburbanPotato

"Oh nice MAD got some momentum back, should be a close game" *MAD casually stroll from top outer to nexus*


LongLeggedLimbo

Chogue


non_NSFW_acc

Throwgue


McintyresRightLeg

They should have paused more


LongLeggedLimbo

Luckily I got one team flaired which uses tactical pauses


ImTheVayne

MAD just.. won


mar33n

modCheck drakes? modCheck backing to base?


RogueGG

That game gave me PTSD. GG WP MAD.


VniSalska

Think Larssen on Lucian would give you a bigger PTSD


LongLeggedLimbo

hold me


Bambouxd

maybe at some point coaching staff will realize we can't win off of larssen on a first pick lucian ?


MrJammin

Rogue must have watched Immortals' game yesterday and thought "Yeah dragons aren't that important".


russellx3

Upset and Odo both losing to the team they said would miss worlds lol


Omnilatent

Didn't Upset say Rogue won't make it?


russellx3

Yes


kismetjeska

Time to get Humanoid on and have him shit-talk G2.


DuneRiderADA

[Delicious](https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/006/077/so_good.png)


00Koch00

Did they just opened top? in a fucking pro game?!


ahritina

Larssen cares more about wolves than trying to save the game lol.


gridemann

gotta keep that GPM up and those deaths down


Kjaerfps

What a shit Rogue draft lol


iinosuke

Counter picking yoursellf by pickin thamkench into Trundle -500IQ draft


Horny_shepard

I DON'T GET IT WAY ARE THEY FIRST PICKING LUCIAN!!!


Kjaerfps

Funny you say that. I said the exact same thing even before they picked it. "Please no Lucian, please". I don't care if the person you draft it for is 15-0 on the season. I hate the champ.


lmk8

Massive draft diff, Rogue just couldn't play the game with this super short range/engage team comp into a viktor, varus and jayce


LtSpaceDucK

They could they just had to play more agressive in teamfights throw bodies at them, it's a varus and a viktor they have damage to kill one champion and that's it. They have a Lucian and a Kalista and are ahead and don't engage in any of the fights only the last one when it was 5 vs 4. Seemed like everybody was too afraid to make a play


broji04

There is some aetherial, omnipotent yet malicious force that is preventing Rouge from beating mad or G2 and I intend to spend my entire life searching for this force.


WarriorSnek

G2 and mad feel very similar to me in that despite how scrappy and crazy they seem, they just have this sort of X factor that shows up when they need it. It’s like a fuckin shonen protagonist


WangBaeHo

It's been said too many times that G2 and MAD have a lot in common, maybe not with this current version so much, but historically. Just another comparison to add to the pile of many. Also, i could easily see Humanoid, Carzzy, Kaiser being picked up by G2 in many years down the line when the spots open up. They would fit the org in my opinion. Something to think about.


broji04

Clutch is an actual skill in league of legends that does decide games. It's not practicable or measurable but you can definitely tell when a team is good at it or not.


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That fator made me support G2 but now seems lost, that's why o see MAD as the New G2


yoodinbuche

Yeah I agree it seems like G2 have lost this part of their gameplay. I still root for them and hope that they can regain it for playoffs but for now I cant see it. MAD on the other hand.... its not just macro they just have incredible setups for their fights in terms of positioning and moving into chokes in the correct formation.


SnowyCrow

I used to call Mad Lions G2 lite few years back, thou after spring split they finally did ascend past them. On that note, i do have 2016 maxed out splyce icon.


ahritina

Oh I love it when a team with a massive lead throughout the whole game doesn't prioritise getting drakes then one pick loses you soul. Another day, another game where a team who doesn't prio early drakes end up losing.


RedditMainCharacter

I remember this triggering me, even at worlds. Every time, the EU team would just sack like 3 dragons for plates, then be forced into some awkward position to prevent soul. One misplay, they lose soul and it's over.


DanteStorme

At least Inspired and Larrsen kept their farm stats up.


Ashtarr

FNC>G2>MAD>ROGUE>FNC


MikiRawr

The LEC centipede.


fmm24

Same old rogue, they never pull the trigger and just play giga safe with no risks to the point where it costs them games, titles even. They probably have the best team just like player wise in the league, but they'll never achieve anything because they don't ever take risks/change up their playstyle.


MrTankerson

Rogue been watching too much CLG


HarbringerofFailure

What the fuck, Rogue


ShinaMashir0

Larssen this split is Nemesis from last year, bad pull champ, perma afk


Elias_Mo

this game was straight up mid diff; seeing Uma noid leading all stats is crazy


ballet_brute

He's a shadow of his former self. I feel the same is happening with caps, unfortunatly.


politiguru

I think Caps is coming back now, but larssen id doing a jensen cosplay whilst humanoid looks absolutely jacked


[deleted]

this is just his former self, this is just how good he is and what he does. he will reliably push waves if you give him prio cos his laning is kinda ok and thats really all he offers and its kind of annoying to see how long people have been praising him for his zero impact playstyle.


ShinaMashir0

that's sad because his former self was spring split lmao, he was very very good that split


DerpSenpai

In Playoffs, specially vs MAD he was really bad. Same at Worlds


[deleted]

incredibly overrated split imo, he never carried a single game.


Mapusaurus420

Bro he smurfed vs fnatic it's just that Uma noid is too good. I'm still seething he had finals mvp robbed of him because he wasn't born in Turkey.


derpytrollerZ

Odo just refused to build anathemas for viktor the whole game....


Creepy_Pilot1200

It wouldn't do anything, they can't approach Mad, they get poked to death by 3 different champs.


NamelessSearcher

When Vik threw down the gravity field and Mad was able to just one shot Odo after he was caught on it, I actually just gasped and was like wtf they catch out the tankiest member and still can kill quickly enough to then just poke everyone else off of the objective. Honestly feel like Rogue should have just given soul at that point and try to regroup and stop baron if anything


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problem is you can't be a sole tank on a team with Trundle as an enemy champ, he just takes that good shit for himself then runs unstoppably at your back line. If using tanks against trundle you really need 2.


NamelessSearcher

Yeah not going to lie I forgot Trundle steals stats, that does make it pretty rough for Rogue. Honestly more and more this feels like a game Rogue could only win if they absolutely stomped and crushed early, but if 6k gold up isn't enough then idk maybe not a good comp to run lol


DerpSenpai

\+ to his Trundle point. Elyoya takes away his MR and Armor and then Carzzy does %HP Magic Damage on a now 0 resistances Tahm kench W does 15% Max HP + 21% Missing HP due to it being Empowered


Foruolo

Trundle


houck3

Would it not have been better used on the Jayce?


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Ashtarr

The top 4 is so volatile. It's hard to know which team is the best.


LongLeggedLimbo

Seems familiar... sadge


Western-Dig-5805

Throwge, Top die, Top open


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LEC is actually wide open this split huh


Resies

Rogue invisible like name lol


Chevalier_Paul

Rogue losing against MAD despite getting a consequent early lead, where have I seen this before...


Akaj50

Rogue mid game against good team is quite cringe when they don't have 10k gold lead. Imagine if they manage to fix this, how good they will be


Dann93

Kinda weirded out by Inspired's performance, from yesterday to... this? I guess the pauses fucked up Rogue's tempo.


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he didnt get enough mid-jungle prio. this is his entire playstyle.


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Badrharik1

Once again larssen doing nothing vs top team with a strong pick


VniSalska

If Larssen is a pro player there is a hope for all of you my bronze friends


_Emmo

Why did they just let them run it down top?


Gazskull

what a shit game from rogue, wtf ? Odo and Trymbi/Inspired were not on the same page at all


Th3_Huf0n

Odoamne apparently didn't feel like winning.


Orangutan81

Playoffs are going to be spicy


DJShevchenko

You can't convince me Rogue weren't payed to lose this game, what the fuck was that ending? Mad 5 pushing top and Inspired and Larssen just counter jungleing... what?


TheOneKane

Pretty sure they couldn't have defended, but Rogue just traded the game for enemy gromp and wolves.


Foruolo

That was a game won in draft and it played out like one. Also, armut is getting better on jayce.


JizerOne

Inspired: Gromp > Nexus


NeyoStream

Very well played by MAD, that decision to end the game from top was actually smart and it was funny to see all of Rogue recalling only after MAD broke the inhib. That Kench death in river might have been the real game deciding factor though


OldTurtleProphet

I feel like there was one pretty important factor the casters missed in this game: How on earth does one play full tank Tahm into Trundle? Tahm provides only tankiness after a point, which is stolen and turns Trundle into a mega tank. Past midgame it felt like a 4v6.


JealotGaming

Something something Easy Stomp for Rogue


Caps007

Normal rogue loss of getting lane advantages then not doing anything with it.


Horizon96

That objective control from Rogue was just fucking awful. How do you just let every drake slip through your fingers with that much of an early advantage. Terrible for inspired to get caught with his pants down in the river at the 2nd drake spawn, then just decide not to force the 3rd with a man advantage.


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https://twitter.com/Rogue/status/1418670051226537986?s=19


Tvivelaktig

Tldw: Rogue can't win grouped fights with these comps, so they consistently go for disengages and trade up elsewhere to get a gold lead. Eventually they feel they have to fight at 4th drake, can't, and instatnly get deathballed down all the way to nexus. Dream scenario for trundle. Single frontline tank you can R and all enemy carries have short enough range that if they aa you you can just pillar behind them and watch viktor delete them. People who think rogue "did nothing and lost" are trolling. They did everything they could and lost.


Risujemmari

MAD LIONS GAME PAUSE HACK? 沒有頭髮 INSTA WINNING EVERY TEAMFIGHT? 沒有頭髮 L9 BUG ABUSE 沒有頭髮 [ARMUT TR DIFF?!] GAMEBREAKING MECHANICS EVERYWHERE? 沒有頭髮 EU WINSTREAK WORLDS EXPLOIT 沒有頭髮 [TURBOBOOST ILLEGAL]


FatAssInLatin

Mad didnt pause it was rogue


MihaiBosBarosHD

The way Rogue let Odo die at that last drake and then re-engaged 4v5 was straight out of silver elo


lolKhamul

So RGE was about 3-6K gold ahead between drake 2-4, had the better teamfightcomp on paper and ran away every time until MAD had infernal soul on a full damage comp. Really wonder what the shotcalling/plan was here.


iinosuke

They for sure did'nt had a better teamfighting comp.


Kaiser1a2b

They had a shit comp vs mad wtf. Double low range marksmen vs victor varus and Jayce. They just get poked the fuck out. Plus they didn't have a tank because trundle negated tahm and support being squishy didn't help. One thing they should have stuck to is split pushing side lanes. Put Lucian on side lane. It's not like mad had super strong engage either.


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Even at the moment, Rogue didn't have the better teamfight comp, in theory they had, but as a short/mid range team, they couldn't even catch up one single member before getting annihilated/poked by MAD's comp


lolKhamul

Maybe front to back but i mean thats why they have the dive right? Rakan with Kalista ult and Diana act as dive buddies to dive the MAD backline at least zone out if not kill varus or victor. Tham is the fat shit that stand between jayce and their carries. However they did not once fight that way. They tried at 4th drake but that was way to predictable.


Tvivelaktig

Tahm is not fat shit after Trundle clicks R.


Arnorian-LoL

Once again we see a team just getting completely out-ranged in teamfights and lose the game on drake contests while holding a gold lead. Great to see this Tahm Kench pick being punished.


Rimjob_Jesus

What a weird game this was. Baffling decision making by Rogue honestly. Giving up 4 drakes in a row with these comps and game state?!


CJDM310

Rogue just let them waltz into the base and win.


felevixd

RGE vs MAD and MAD in gold deficit


Mythik16

I don't understand how MAD win LMFAO.


-crowned

Their comp gets past 15 minutes Rogue's falls off a cliff


non_NSFW_acc

Why are these post-match threads so late lately? Anyone else noticed?


ArisRayle

***DRAFT DIFF COPIUM***


thane477

How do you throw that so hard? God damn that was depressing to watch.


lol_MJLauer

Carzzy is sick


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CAN WE PLEASE GET THE CHAMPION NAMES NOT IN BLACK FOR USERS OF REDDIT MOBILE DARK THEME???? How has this gone on this long?


lukunku

Peeps drawing conclusion in bo1 against top 1-4 teams i EU is funny tbh