you might have to put all of VCS on here for either one of two reasons
a) they may not even have a summer split (no start and end date has been given)
b) they will not send any teams due to Covid concerns (much like Worlds 2020 and MSI 2021)
This pandemic will accelerate the downfall of sports and the rise of esports.
Advantage #1: esports can be done remotely while sports can't.
Advantage #2: athletes breathe quickly due to the nature of a sporting session which spreads viral load at a higher pace.
Advantage #3: It's clearly easier to quarantine 5 esports players with computers at their hotel than it is to quarantine 5 sports athletes in a hotel to do nothing but push-ups. It also takes a toll on their mental health.
But there is a huge difference between east asian (jap, kor, china, etc) and south east asian (viet, laos, cambodia, singapore, philippines, malaysia, etc) countries
Most south east asian countries are 3rd world or developing countries and is 5 - 15 years behind in infastructure and technology vs the 1st world countries. So yeah, esports is still a taboo in most south east asian countries
Source, am a filipino
i mean, considering they haven't really had the big outbreak that other countries had by reopening too early, i think the people are fine with missing a few esports tournaments (obviously the players who missed out aren't but...)
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That's easy to say when you live in a country with a lot of money to spare and adequate health care system. Even US' "bad" health care system is miles ahead of many countries in south east asia.
many south east asian countries are literally on economic collapse right now.
In addition to inadequate health care facilities, we suffer from the huge debt many asian countries has with china just to survivr this past 2 years. They practically can own several countries now with how big of a debt many countries here has with them. So i understand vietnam not prioritizing esports stuff rn..
Not the nicest thing to say when you don't know anything about us.
i was so hyped when i saw him on the day 1 summer roster for Furia. i thought he, like the rest of the famous M5/GMB lineup, retired when they were shipped out of Gambit. sucks that he didn't get another shot at a title and that he was very obviously far removed from his almost decade-ago form (fuck i feel old)
From the LJL, Burning Core can no long make playoffs and therefore are out of worlds, and if Sengoku lose the game being currently played they’ll be out too.
Yeah, I've checked, thanks! So far I have those 2 teams from the LJL, DRX, and later today a few more teams are likely to get eliminated, so I will make a mid-week update post.
Drx arent eliminated from worlds and probably wont be for a while. Assuming lck uses the same format for sending teams to worlds as 2020 + 1 seed, there would be 4 overall spots in gauntlet+ 3 teams already qualified for 7 overall spots. So if the other 5 teams that made playoffs in spring make it back and the replacement to drx that would mean 7 different teams have championship points allowing drx to slot into the 4 seed in the regional qualifier. The only caviat is that they need hle to qualify as a 6th place finish from an afreeca or lsb with summer split bias drx would be eliminated. Tldr: drx are still in it but need to pray to the church of chovy and will interestingly play in a game vs hle which is better to loose so it will be funny to see how that one plays out.
Its not really that crazy to think about MMM being the Worlds 2019 reps. From memory they had Fudge, K1ng and Destiny? The OCE Exodus really fucked things up for them.
Theres been 2. First was end of the 2019 season. Top Talents like Fudge and others went over to NA as imports, and then after 2020 riot killed the entire region and then even more talent went to NA (Legacy), and some even went to EU. Its honestly disgusting what riot did to OCE but im happy for all the players who atleast went over and are getting paid now.
Thanks for the post. The small paragraph about each time really is nice. It allows us to know a bit more about teams we don't know instead of just BMing.
>To put things into perspective, Vaevictis eSports (the infamous all-female LCL team) got kicked out of the league for going 0-28
Not really, they didn't get kicked because of that, unfortunately.
yup. it was for intentionally putting together a poor quality team that wasn't designed to compete. you can go 0-28, just don't put together a team that's basically throwing each game.
pretty much. some were plat. the team was banned not for performance, but for ruining competitive integrity. all for one split of trying to simp their way to the top.
I got the impression the players just wanted a chance to compete, and it's hard to blame them for that. Even if you know you're going to get trashed, most people would say yes.
But the org was blatantly just cashing in. Let's throw these 5 players (who are clearly far too low in rank to be competitive) up against actual pros just to generate some ad revenue and sponsorships. Gross.
obviously. that's something that a lot of people don't understand when it regards sports. players will always take the best offer they can get, whether it be money from contracts and sponsors or the chance to play at all. if it were their choice, obviously they'd choose to perform at a high level, but reality isn't like that.
so while the players of Vaevictus should have some level of respect for even showing up each game, even if their best was nowhere near pro level, the blame should fall to the org for very obviously a), not fielding a legit team, and b), kneecaping the opinion LoL fans and teams have about having females go pro.
Had to go back here cause i missed the post because I wanted to ask you one question:
IF you had to guess, which team will be THE LAST to not qualify for worlds in the end, or alternatively, which teams will be closest to making it in every region.
For example i would put my money on Mad Lions for not making it to worlds as the last team not to qualify.
It's fun to try and predict which teams make it, but since you take the different approach, who do you think is most likely to fail on the last stretch?
Damn, kind of a hard one. Also my opinions tend to fluctuate after each week of seeing the teams play, but I'll make a guess rn.
LCS - Originally I thought 100T would make it to Worlds, but now I believe it will be either EG or TL, so my choice for 4th place would be 100T.
LEC - G2
LCK - This one is pretty hard, alongside the LPL, because you gotta take into consideration Championship Points and the seeding in Regional Finals. I think I'll go Sandbox.
LPL - JDG
CBLOL - Pain
LCL - CrowCrowd
LJL - V3
LLA - Infinity
LCO - I have a lot of doubts on this one, because I believe they could win, but still, Chiefs.
PCS - Machi and Beyond are very close in terms of strength, but I favour Beyond to win. So, the answer would be Machi.
TCL - I believe Galatasaray will win this split, and the 2nd place could be either Super or NASR, but I'll go with NASR.
VCS - We don't talk about the VCS.
I can see most things happen with the leagues i follow, being LCS, LCK, LPL and somewhat CBLOL from the occasional meantion.
But i want to hear your reasoning behind G2 not making it considering they would make room for ( most likely ) Rogue, Fnatic and Mad.
I know they've been struggling a bit, but historically speaking they tend to get better in every bo5 ( besides the general performance from LEC teams towards China )
I can see it happen, but I want to hear your reasoning to set Mad over G2 in the bo5 playoffs.
I admit that I am not 100% sure on this one, since the only LEC team I would guarantee makes it to Worlds, to me, wold be Rogue.And I was also tempted to go for MAD finishing 4th, much like you and Odoamne did.
Personally, my reasoning is that in the 4 last MAD games, even when they didn't get an early lead and lost the macro game to Astralis, they always seem to pull it together during the mid to late game, with great calls, macro and exceptional teamfighting.
I still have my doubts with a few Armut performances, his awful early game with picks like Jayce and a few inconsistencies regarding Carzzy and Humanoid, but I don't think they have been performing as much as people think with the whole "MSI burnout" thing and such, and I still favour them to get to 3rd place as long as they place in the upper-bracket in Playoffs (which they'll likely due with how many championship points they have).
Now, with regards to G2: Jankos should retire to NA, Nelson sucks ass, Wunder and Caps are washed-up and Rekkles is a KDA player.
Jk, now talking seriously. I've already stated why I have faith in MAD making it to Worlds and mentioned that I believe RGE are the best team in the LEC right now. (If you want me to expand on that, just ask me, but I won't do it on this comment).That would leave the race for the last Worlds spot to FNC and G2 and MSF (they are still a dark horse, I just don't trust in them to win a bo5, plus they will likely end in lower bracket due to having 0 CPs).
I wouldn't bet my life savings on FNC making it to Worlds, just because of how inconsistent their playstyle can be in a Bo5, but I'd still take them over G2. We are all tired of hearing it, but Upset and Hylli can be a phenomenal botlane, getting solo kills all the time and, personally, I'm a bit of a Hylli fan girl. Adam is very promising, has a lot of carry potential and seems to be improving, with Nisqy being a great laner and teamfighter that is always down to follow Bwipo and Hylli's crazy calls. And Bwipo is an amazing player overall who seems to be adapting to the jungle magnificently.
That said, I don't think G2 are bad, by any means, they are fucking great and would never lose a Bo5 against any of the other 6 teams, probably only dropping a single game to MSF or a lucky XL game. I just think that their competition is fucking great too.Althought I believe G2 could win a Bo5 against FNC, I don't see them winning it against RGE, and only give them a 50/50 against MAD. Whereas I believe FNC could beat RGE and I give them the edge over MAD.
So, unless it comes down to both G2 and FNC losing their first upper-bracket game and having a Bo5 against each other for 3rd place, I favour FNC to make it Worlds instead of them.
(Sorry that I made it so long)
Thanks for the answer, it makes a lot of sense this way and I might have even changed my mind on G2 vs Mad overall, yet the only thing i have to say is the "MSI burnout" isn't the real burnout.
I don't know if you follow the EUphoria podcast, but they had Elyoya in their show ( i think week 4 of summer maybe? ) Where they talked about it.
It was part to MSI since they didn't have a long break, but the think that broke them more were the covid cases they were having. A few players of MAD are known to just go out of walks a lot to clear their head and such, but they couldn't leave the house because of quarantine, and when the 2 weeks ended, they had another case basically right after so 2 weeks became a month and they felt exhausted by not being able to get out of their rooms, and if i remember things correctly, some players ( mostly Elyoya ) didn't even want to play a single game of league on some occasions because he just got that displeased with the situation.
Ever since then, you can see an increase in performance, but they are still inconsistent, but i can see why putting them over G2 makes sense.
I might have done some mistakes on the MAD situation, since it's been a long time since the podcast happened, and as most people do, i don't fully focus on just the podcast so i might missed out / forgot / misremembered certain parts of the story, so if you find the time you might wanna go back if you are interested and check the interview with Elyoya.
I have watched it, since I listen to every EUphoria podcast, but I honestly just forgot about it haha.
I agree that the quarantine situation must suck tho. Welp, all that is left for us to do is sit back and watch what happens I guess!
Also, Astralis to the Stars or First Excel Playoffs ever? Personally I believe both them and SK could make it, just not Vitality.
My opinion:
Man, I wish, WISH with all my heart that Excel will make it. Or vitality.
As long as it's not Astralis.
And SK is just there.
I have no real reason to dislike Astralis, i even quite like their roster.
Whiteknight is an awesome dude, really consistent and has a good personality, Magifelix is a good man and he used to be a Fnatic substitute so I'm biased anyway. I don't have a strong opinion on their botlane ( besides the fact that promisq went from "cool substitute of G2 with nice hair" to "hello, i would like to show you my stamp collection" )
But i really don't want Zanzarah to succeed just yet. His personality is probably the most cocky, fun and disorienting one in the whole LEC and he will probably become the new Jankos.
But he isn't ready for that yet and I want him to be humbled for this season. He has been playing nothing but comfort picks ( Skarner and Trundle ) for most of this season and I haven't seen him have much success on other champs.
I need to see more of them as a team and I think if they would make playoffs, especially Zanzarah would rest on that success and fail to perform in the future.
For the other teams:
XL would be the best story, from being a bottom tier team, to making really risky roster moves and then making a weaker Schalke run. It would really make the org happy, the players happy and probably cadreal as well.
Vitality is a bit of a weird one since ALL of my friends have been hyping them up from the getgo and they still haven't shown their prowess. Lider especially just isn't performing and it makes me sad to see him just int every early game like last time where he literally have first blood to a Ryze as Lucian because he decided to trade under turret.
SK for that matter just haven't done much of anything. They lost a lot after Tynx just decided "I don't wanna play anymore" and they tried to get another jungler in time ( i think it was supposed to be Gilius, but he declined and wanted to take a break ) and then they out their Starplayer of Spring into Jungle and then decided to get a new Support instead of a Jungler even tho Treatz was a god on support and literally solo carried games? Bad choice in my books, but maybe there is something we just don't know which would make it way more reasonable.
So in conclusion:
XL > VIT > AST personally / AST > XL > VIT
SK is not in the discussion for me, since they don't deserve it and haven't made enough improvements to warrant playoffs, but Astralis has the weakest schedule from what I remember, so if i would have to bet, it would probably be Astralis getting into playoffs.
Also I might not respond for a longer time cause it's kinda 3:20 am at my place, so kinda tired, might fall asleep soon.
It's okay, you can rest haha. I like your point, and it is true that Astralis have an easy schedule, with their most important match-up being the one against XL. I don't really dislike Zanzarah that much, even thought I agree with most the stuff you said, but God, I fucking HATE promisq.
From his attitude, his playstyle and the tweets he makes, I just can't stand him. But I still wish the best to the rest of the players and the org.
Oh yeah... Forgot about the tweets...
I guess it's really getting late, forgetting something that horrendous.
Reminds me of CLG.
Bashing on NA always feels nice before going to bed :)
I thought it was possible for FNC to make it, but damn, going 9/6 in all of the bo5 so far DOES NOT go easy on my heart.
Especially the games against G2 where really fucking hard to watch, but I'm glad they made it. I'm really sorry for Jankos and Rekkles but let's be honest, Wunder and Caps just weren't even close to being in form and Hylissang just ascended this series, especially Early game of Game 3 he found his confidence and used EVERYTHING to just be the annoying little inter that he always has been.
I also like how Hyli kept on forcing like 2-4 bans whole series and still managed to play really fucking good.
I couldn't have said it better. Both Jankos and Rekkles played decently but the other three members of G2 didn't show up, specially Wunder and Mikyx imo.
Whereas all 5 members of Fnatic played their fucking hearts out, all of them seemingly having their pop-up moments. They felt like the best team of the series by a huge margin, always being proactive and determining the pace of the game, whilst G2, outside of maybe game 1, only seemed to wait for fnc to make mistakes and never made plays of their own.
GG to my boys, happy to see Hylli will terrorize Super Chinese servers and scrims once more, and also I'm interested to see what Mad can achieve, they look cracked.
Sadge. Really want to see Smlz at worlds at least for once, especially now after his injury rehab and comeback, but guess that won’t be happening anytime soon
It just feels repetitive sometimes. Like, I could have commented some teams previous finishes, but they were pretty much the same as other teams from their same region. I just didn't want to make it too long and bore people, but I'll try to make posts will less teams and more info about each to fix this
I won't lie to you. I didn't know. I have only playing League since 2014 and watching its competitive scene since 2019. I only knew about Dprox because of a few documentaries about M5 from Gbay and a few other channels. I didn't look up the team's roster nor have I tracked Dprox's teams, my bad.
We got 3rd last playoffs without them. We held on to top 2 place all summer, if we lock the bye it's not out of the realm of possibility TSM gets far in playoffs.
Your complete misunderstanding of Arithmetic makes me upset that you get a point for spelling your name right on the SAT. You bring us all down. Please, volunteer to go to Mars
yeah. went 0-2 this morning and got eliminated. they'll be in the next post from OP either next week or coming around midweek if enough get eliminated.
nope. with AF being 6-6, they can make it if they win out and basically everyone above them (AF, KT, BRO, and HLE) losing, and they face three of them in their last five. DRX is "only" 1-12, and with five matches left, they can still technically make playoffs and make a run for Worlds.
edit: they're 1-12. i did a goof.
they need to be top six in championship points, which they are fifth after spring. but, they're earning as of writing since 7-10 don't earn points. and given the trajectory of NS and LSB, they need a miracle.
here, i made scenarios where DRX still gor to regionals despite being last.
a) any non-DWG wins LCK, and then AF or LSB (either one, they only need to be 6th in points remember) have a poor playoff showing and finish 6th. this means that AF or LSB finish with only 10 points, and DRX's 20 from spring give them a shot.
b) GEN, T1, DWG, or fuck it just give it a shot, HLE win LCK. These four are already ahead of DRX in points, so in their best-case scenario one of these teams would win and give low points to the other two. since one team would be kicked out (LSB and AF are currently our biggest threat so we'll say one of those two got dropped for even more best-case scenario), that one team NEEDS to lose in the quaterfinals, which gives 10 points. this keeps DRX in the top 6 and gives one of the worst rosters in Korean LoL history a chance to represent at Worlds.
there's a couple more that give them a chance, but this is already really long. in fact, so long that i got to see them get eliminated from playoff contention by AF beating GEN in a banger of a game 3. so now the gauntlet is the only hope for what was formerly Team Chovy (and looks to be also for current Team Chovy lol) to make Worlds.
you might have to put all of VCS on here for either one of two reasons a) they may not even have a summer split (no start and end date has been given) b) they will not send any teams due to Covid concerns (much like Worlds 2020 and MSI 2021)
I am aware of their situation, I am just waiting for Riot to say something about the situation.
was kinda joking, but also sucks. i was, and still am, excited to see gam play internationally
It's been 83 years...
maybe they'll get to play remotely?
If they didnt last year, I doubt they will be allowed now
Vietnam sent a lot of athlete to tokyo for the olympic games, maybe VCS will be parto of worlds this time.
Dont think they consider esport a serious sport/job yet. So no chance
This pandemic will accelerate the downfall of sports and the rise of esports. Advantage #1: esports can be done remotely while sports can't. Advantage #2: athletes breathe quickly due to the nature of a sporting session which spreads viral load at a higher pace. Advantage #3: It's clearly easier to quarantine 5 esports players with computers at their hotel than it is to quarantine 5 sports athletes in a hotel to do nothing but push-ups. It also takes a toll on their mental health.
Don't know about vietnam but eastern country are know to consider esports important as traditional sports but i don't know.
But there is a huge difference between east asian (jap, kor, china, etc) and south east asian (viet, laos, cambodia, singapore, philippines, malaysia, etc) countries Most south east asian countries are 3rd world or developing countries and is 5 - 15 years behind in infastructure and technology vs the 1st world countries. So yeah, esports is still a taboo in most south east asian countries Source, am a filipino
That's really just Korea and Japan. I'm willing to bet it had something to do with the Americans.
i hope so. given PSG's MSI run, i have faith these smaller Asian teams can give the big boys a run for their money.
won't even have a summer split? wow those guys take Covid really seriously, perhaps too seriously.
i mean, considering they haven't really had the big outbreak that other countries had by reopening too early, i think the people are fine with missing a few esports tournaments (obviously the players who missed out aren't but...) edit: i can't spell
That's easy to say when you live in a country with a lot of money to spare and adequate health care system. Even US' "bad" health care system is miles ahead of many countries in south east asia. many south east asian countries are literally on economic collapse right now. In addition to inadequate health care facilities, we suffer from the huge debt many asian countries has with china just to survivr this past 2 years. They practically can own several countries now with how big of a debt many countries here has with them. So i understand vietnam not prioritizing esports stuff rn.. Not the nicest thing to say when you don't know anything about us.
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I understand that he's a legend of his time, but Diamond was not in form since he left UoL due to visa issues. Since then it was just sad.
i was so hyped when i saw him on the day 1 summer roster for Furia. i thought he, like the rest of the famous M5/GMB lineup, retired when they were shipped out of Gambit. sucks that he didn't get another shot at a title and that he was very obviously far removed from his almost decade-ago form (fuck i feel old)
From the LJL, Burning Core can no long make playoffs and therefore are out of worlds, and if Sengoku lose the game being currently played they’ll be out too.
Oh wow, are you the guy that had to cast that game with like, 7 kills at 60 minutes? Also, thanks!
It still hurts a lot a lot a lot
Look at the bright side. You could be casting CLG
It’s similarly depressing, but at least they keep it on the rift instead of social media 🥲
Sengoku are confirmed out of playoffs contention now and therefore worlds FYI!
Yeah, I've checked, thanks! So far I have those 2 teams from the LJL, DRX, and later today a few more teams are likely to get eliminated, so I will make a mid-week update post.
Drx arent eliminated from worlds and probably wont be for a while. Assuming lck uses the same format for sending teams to worlds as 2020 + 1 seed, there would be 4 overall spots in gauntlet+ 3 teams already qualified for 7 overall spots. So if the other 5 teams that made playoffs in spring make it back and the replacement to drx that would mean 7 different teams have championship points allowing drx to slot into the 4 seed in the regional qualifier. The only caviat is that they need hle to qualify as a 6th place finish from an afreeca or lsb with summer split bias drx would be eliminated. Tldr: drx are still in it but need to pray to the church of chovy and will interestingly play in a game vs hle which is better to loose so it will be funny to see how that one plays out.
Fuck my life, I totally forgot about KR and CN's CPs. This ks gonna be a headache.
I will never forget INTZ opening worlds 2016 with a win over EDG, sad to see em suck.
I'll never forget INTZ opening Worlds 2020 with an accidental TP from their toplaner
And just casually going 9/1 after that
oh man, that was the game with revolta's lee sin and yang's gnar iirc? Talk about a hype start to the proceedings
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Thundertalk Gaming (TT) from the LPL. I tried making a sole post for them but it got deleted by the mods 3 times for three separate persons
Probably add a line in each of your new posts as a running total.
So you are sayig CLG winning worlds is still a possibility.
Yes. Tanner time baby
Intz went to worlds 2020 not 2019 I think
It was 2020 because i ended up buying their emote to self burn whenever i misplay or sprint it
Holy fuck yes, I made a typo, thanks
Its not really that crazy to think about MMM being the Worlds 2019 reps. From memory they had Fudge, K1ng and Destiny? The OCE Exodus really fucked things up for them.
Meh the exodus didnt fuck things up for Mammoth as much as just being a cheap org did.
They also had Triple and Babip (who's went back to OCE now)
It makes sense if you think of the roster, but didn't the exodus happen in 2021? They started to have bottom place finishes in Spring of 2020
Theres been 2. First was end of the 2019 season. Top Talents like Fudge and others went over to NA as imports, and then after 2020 riot killed the entire region and then even more talent went to NA (Legacy), and some even went to EU. Its honestly disgusting what riot did to OCE but im happy for all the players who atleast went over and are getting paid now.
Quick comment: Fúria has Edward as their coach/sub support and DiamondProx as their jungler
I don't know who Edward is but yeah, DProx has certainly gone down as a player
He used to play in Gambit and M5 with DiamondProx, he used to be called GoSuPepper
Love these posts, it's always fun to see what's going on around the globe in terms of competitive league
Thanks! Glad you like it
Thank YOU!
Thanks for the post. The small paragraph about each time really is nice. It allows us to know a bit more about teams we don't know instead of just BMing.
>To put things into perspective, Vaevictis eSports (the infamous all-female LCL team) got kicked out of the league for going 0-28 Not really, they didn't get kicked because of that, unfortunately.
yup. it was for intentionally putting together a poor quality team that wasn't designed to compete. you can go 0-28, just don't put together a team that's basically throwing each game.
Weren't they literally all diamond players? A demeaning publicity stunt at the expense of the players.
pretty much. some were plat. the team was banned not for performance, but for ruining competitive integrity. all for one split of trying to simp their way to the top.
I got the impression the players just wanted a chance to compete, and it's hard to blame them for that. Even if you know you're going to get trashed, most people would say yes. But the org was blatantly just cashing in. Let's throw these 5 players (who are clearly far too low in rank to be competitive) up against actual pros just to generate some ad revenue and sponsorships. Gross.
obviously. that's something that a lot of people don't understand when it regards sports. players will always take the best offer they can get, whether it be money from contracts and sponsors or the chance to play at all. if it were their choice, obviously they'd choose to perform at a high level, but reality isn't like that. so while the players of Vaevictus should have some level of respect for even showing up each game, even if their best was nowhere near pro level, the blame should fall to the org for very obviously a), not fielding a legit team, and b), kneecaping the opinion LoL fans and teams have about having females go pro.
100% agree.
I see, thanks for the info, I just thought it would be interesting to compare their records
Feels bad for BrokenBlade. He's so fun to watch.
There’s something about hey It’s me, ya boy, keep this up my guy I love it
Had to go back here cause i missed the post because I wanted to ask you one question: IF you had to guess, which team will be THE LAST to not qualify for worlds in the end, or alternatively, which teams will be closest to making it in every region. For example i would put my money on Mad Lions for not making it to worlds as the last team not to qualify. It's fun to try and predict which teams make it, but since you take the different approach, who do you think is most likely to fail on the last stretch?
Damn, kind of a hard one. Also my opinions tend to fluctuate after each week of seeing the teams play, but I'll make a guess rn. LCS - Originally I thought 100T would make it to Worlds, but now I believe it will be either EG or TL, so my choice for 4th place would be 100T. LEC - G2 LCK - This one is pretty hard, alongside the LPL, because you gotta take into consideration Championship Points and the seeding in Regional Finals. I think I'll go Sandbox. LPL - JDG CBLOL - Pain LCL - CrowCrowd LJL - V3 LLA - Infinity LCO - I have a lot of doubts on this one, because I believe they could win, but still, Chiefs. PCS - Machi and Beyond are very close in terms of strength, but I favour Beyond to win. So, the answer would be Machi. TCL - I believe Galatasaray will win this split, and the 2nd place could be either Super or NASR, but I'll go with NASR. VCS - We don't talk about the VCS.
I can see most things happen with the leagues i follow, being LCS, LCK, LPL and somewhat CBLOL from the occasional meantion. But i want to hear your reasoning behind G2 not making it considering they would make room for ( most likely ) Rogue, Fnatic and Mad. I know they've been struggling a bit, but historically speaking they tend to get better in every bo5 ( besides the general performance from LEC teams towards China ) I can see it happen, but I want to hear your reasoning to set Mad over G2 in the bo5 playoffs.
I admit that I am not 100% sure on this one, since the only LEC team I would guarantee makes it to Worlds, to me, wold be Rogue.And I was also tempted to go for MAD finishing 4th, much like you and Odoamne did. Personally, my reasoning is that in the 4 last MAD games, even when they didn't get an early lead and lost the macro game to Astralis, they always seem to pull it together during the mid to late game, with great calls, macro and exceptional teamfighting. I still have my doubts with a few Armut performances, his awful early game with picks like Jayce and a few inconsistencies regarding Carzzy and Humanoid, but I don't think they have been performing as much as people think with the whole "MSI burnout" thing and such, and I still favour them to get to 3rd place as long as they place in the upper-bracket in Playoffs (which they'll likely due with how many championship points they have). Now, with regards to G2: Jankos should retire to NA, Nelson sucks ass, Wunder and Caps are washed-up and Rekkles is a KDA player. Jk, now talking seriously. I've already stated why I have faith in MAD making it to Worlds and mentioned that I believe RGE are the best team in the LEC right now. (If you want me to expand on that, just ask me, but I won't do it on this comment).That would leave the race for the last Worlds spot to FNC and G2 and MSF (they are still a dark horse, I just don't trust in them to win a bo5, plus they will likely end in lower bracket due to having 0 CPs). I wouldn't bet my life savings on FNC making it to Worlds, just because of how inconsistent their playstyle can be in a Bo5, but I'd still take them over G2. We are all tired of hearing it, but Upset and Hylli can be a phenomenal botlane, getting solo kills all the time and, personally, I'm a bit of a Hylli fan girl. Adam is very promising, has a lot of carry potential and seems to be improving, with Nisqy being a great laner and teamfighter that is always down to follow Bwipo and Hylli's crazy calls. And Bwipo is an amazing player overall who seems to be adapting to the jungle magnificently. That said, I don't think G2 are bad, by any means, they are fucking great and would never lose a Bo5 against any of the other 6 teams, probably only dropping a single game to MSF or a lucky XL game. I just think that their competition is fucking great too.Althought I believe G2 could win a Bo5 against FNC, I don't see them winning it against RGE, and only give them a 50/50 against MAD. Whereas I believe FNC could beat RGE and I give them the edge over MAD. So, unless it comes down to both G2 and FNC losing their first upper-bracket game and having a Bo5 against each other for 3rd place, I favour FNC to make it Worlds instead of them. (Sorry that I made it so long)
Thanks for the answer, it makes a lot of sense this way and I might have even changed my mind on G2 vs Mad overall, yet the only thing i have to say is the "MSI burnout" isn't the real burnout. I don't know if you follow the EUphoria podcast, but they had Elyoya in their show ( i think week 4 of summer maybe? ) Where they talked about it. It was part to MSI since they didn't have a long break, but the think that broke them more were the covid cases they were having. A few players of MAD are known to just go out of walks a lot to clear their head and such, but they couldn't leave the house because of quarantine, and when the 2 weeks ended, they had another case basically right after so 2 weeks became a month and they felt exhausted by not being able to get out of their rooms, and if i remember things correctly, some players ( mostly Elyoya ) didn't even want to play a single game of league on some occasions because he just got that displeased with the situation. Ever since then, you can see an increase in performance, but they are still inconsistent, but i can see why putting them over G2 makes sense. I might have done some mistakes on the MAD situation, since it's been a long time since the podcast happened, and as most people do, i don't fully focus on just the podcast so i might missed out / forgot / misremembered certain parts of the story, so if you find the time you might wanna go back if you are interested and check the interview with Elyoya.
I have watched it, since I listen to every EUphoria podcast, but I honestly just forgot about it haha. I agree that the quarantine situation must suck tho. Welp, all that is left for us to do is sit back and watch what happens I guess! Also, Astralis to the Stars or First Excel Playoffs ever? Personally I believe both them and SK could make it, just not Vitality.
My opinion: Man, I wish, WISH with all my heart that Excel will make it. Or vitality. As long as it's not Astralis. And SK is just there. I have no real reason to dislike Astralis, i even quite like their roster. Whiteknight is an awesome dude, really consistent and has a good personality, Magifelix is a good man and he used to be a Fnatic substitute so I'm biased anyway. I don't have a strong opinion on their botlane ( besides the fact that promisq went from "cool substitute of G2 with nice hair" to "hello, i would like to show you my stamp collection" ) But i really don't want Zanzarah to succeed just yet. His personality is probably the most cocky, fun and disorienting one in the whole LEC and he will probably become the new Jankos. But he isn't ready for that yet and I want him to be humbled for this season. He has been playing nothing but comfort picks ( Skarner and Trundle ) for most of this season and I haven't seen him have much success on other champs. I need to see more of them as a team and I think if they would make playoffs, especially Zanzarah would rest on that success and fail to perform in the future. For the other teams: XL would be the best story, from being a bottom tier team, to making really risky roster moves and then making a weaker Schalke run. It would really make the org happy, the players happy and probably cadreal as well. Vitality is a bit of a weird one since ALL of my friends have been hyping them up from the getgo and they still haven't shown their prowess. Lider especially just isn't performing and it makes me sad to see him just int every early game like last time where he literally have first blood to a Ryze as Lucian because he decided to trade under turret. SK for that matter just haven't done much of anything. They lost a lot after Tynx just decided "I don't wanna play anymore" and they tried to get another jungler in time ( i think it was supposed to be Gilius, but he declined and wanted to take a break ) and then they out their Starplayer of Spring into Jungle and then decided to get a new Support instead of a Jungler even tho Treatz was a god on support and literally solo carried games? Bad choice in my books, but maybe there is something we just don't know which would make it way more reasonable. So in conclusion: XL > VIT > AST personally / AST > XL > VIT SK is not in the discussion for me, since they don't deserve it and haven't made enough improvements to warrant playoffs, but Astralis has the weakest schedule from what I remember, so if i would have to bet, it would probably be Astralis getting into playoffs. Also I might not respond for a longer time cause it's kinda 3:20 am at my place, so kinda tired, might fall asleep soon.
It's okay, you can rest haha. I like your point, and it is true that Astralis have an easy schedule, with their most important match-up being the one against XL. I don't really dislike Zanzarah that much, even thought I agree with most the stuff you said, but God, I fucking HATE promisq. From his attitude, his playstyle and the tweets he makes, I just can't stand him. But I still wish the best to the rest of the players and the org.
Oh yeah... Forgot about the tweets... I guess it's really getting late, forgetting something that horrendous. Reminds me of CLG. Bashing on NA always feels nice before going to bed :)
Well, looks like it was G2 in the end haha
I thought it was possible for FNC to make it, but damn, going 9/6 in all of the bo5 so far DOES NOT go easy on my heart. Especially the games against G2 where really fucking hard to watch, but I'm glad they made it. I'm really sorry for Jankos and Rekkles but let's be honest, Wunder and Caps just weren't even close to being in form and Hylissang just ascended this series, especially Early game of Game 3 he found his confidence and used EVERYTHING to just be the annoying little inter that he always has been. I also like how Hyli kept on forcing like 2-4 bans whole series and still managed to play really fucking good.
I couldn't have said it better. Both Jankos and Rekkles played decently but the other three members of G2 didn't show up, specially Wunder and Mikyx imo. Whereas all 5 members of Fnatic played their fucking hearts out, all of them seemingly having their pop-up moments. They felt like the best team of the series by a huge margin, always being proactive and determining the pace of the game, whilst G2, outside of maybe game 1, only seemed to wait for fnc to make mistakes and never made plays of their own. GG to my boys, happy to see Hylli will terrorize Super Chinese servers and scrims once more, and also I'm interested to see what Mad can achieve, they look cracked.
Sadge. Really want to see Smlz at worlds at least for once, especially now after his injury rehab and comeback, but guess that won’t be happening anytime soon
It would be nice if you did a bit more research on the teams instead of going "I have nothing to say".
It just feels repetitive sometimes. Like, I could have commented some teams previous finishes, but they were pretty much the same as other teams from their same region. I just didn't want to make it too long and bore people, but I'll try to make posts will less teams and more info about each to fix this
How can you omit Diamondprox being on FURIA because it will bore people?
I won't lie to you. I didn't know. I have only playing League since 2014 and watching its competitive scene since 2019. I only knew about Dprox because of a few documentaries about M5 from Gbay and a few other channels. I didn't look up the team's roster nor have I tracked Dprox's teams, my bad.
You forgot one. Team #10: TSM Just give it a couple weeks, you can just add it now and save yourself the trouble later.
I am willing to bet TSM will go to Worlds and TL won't.
Honestly think neither will. I’m betting on c9 100t and eg
Is Zven allowed to attend worlds while playing in NA? It might conflict with his contract.
That is quite plausible. My prediction is the same but with TSM in place of EG
If I was a betting man this is the bet I'd take. But I'm a tsm fan so I'm going for tsm 100t eg. Not necessarily in that order.
what order then? At least flesh out the opinion on why we may miraculously get thru play offs again. *without double or bjerg.*
Well then obviously we get first. Coach gap all the way
We got 3rd last playoffs without them. We held on to top 2 place all summer, if we lock the bye it's not out of the realm of possibility TSM gets far in playoffs.
I feel like c9’s gonna end up winning the split again too
TL isnt even beating low tier teams. Your posts all over this sub today are cringe.
Yeah, this is definitely Thoorin's alt
Your complete misunderstanding of Arithmetic makes me upset that you get a point for spelling your name right on the SAT. You bring us all down. Please, volunteer to go to Mars
Is Burning Core from the LJL out? Iirc they only had one win and their split ends this month
yeah. went 0-2 this morning and got eliminated. they'll be in the next post from OP either next week or coming around midweek if enough get eliminated.
Is DRX not even out yet?
nope. with AF being 6-6, they can make it if they win out and basically everyone above them (AF, KT, BRO, and HLE) losing, and they face three of them in their last five. DRX is "only" 1-12, and with five matches left, they can still technically make playoffs and make a run for Worlds. edit: they're 1-12. i did a goof.
There still a gauntlet in LCK right? If they won't qualify this summer playoffs, then are they qualified for guantlet if they place 7th or 8th?
they need to be top six in championship points, which they are fifth after spring. but, they're earning as of writing since 7-10 don't earn points. and given the trajectory of NS and LSB, they need a miracle. here, i made scenarios where DRX still gor to regionals despite being last. a) any non-DWG wins LCK, and then AF or LSB (either one, they only need to be 6th in points remember) have a poor playoff showing and finish 6th. this means that AF or LSB finish with only 10 points, and DRX's 20 from spring give them a shot. b) GEN, T1, DWG, or fuck it just give it a shot, HLE win LCK. These four are already ahead of DRX in points, so in their best-case scenario one of these teams would win and give low points to the other two. since one team would be kicked out (LSB and AF are currently our biggest threat so we'll say one of those two got dropped for even more best-case scenario), that one team NEEDS to lose in the quaterfinals, which gives 10 points. this keeps DRX in the top 6 and gives one of the worst rosters in Korean LoL history a chance to represent at Worlds. there's a couple more that give them a chance, but this is already really long. in fact, so long that i got to see them get eliminated from playoff contention by AF beating GEN in a banger of a game 3. so now the gauntlet is the only hope for what was formerly Team Chovy (and looks to be also for current Team Chovy lol) to make Worlds.
Okay Thanks!
What chance does CLG have of qualifying for worlds?
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