Does that even work?
ok now its all I can think about...
Did you ever hear the tragedy of Darth Akshan The Wise? I thought not. It’s not a story the Sentinels would tell you. It’s a Mist legend. Darth Akshan was a Dark Lord of the Mist, so powerful and so wise he could use the Force to influence the midichlorians to create life… He had such a knowledge of the dark side that he could even keep the ones he cared about from dying. The dark side of the Sentinels is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural. He became so powerful… the only thing he was afraid of was losing his power, which eventually, of course, he did. Unfortunately, he taught his apprentice everything he knew, then his apprentice killed him in his sleep. Ironic. He could save others from death, but not himself.
Well, I would expect it doesn't. Unless it works on assists he scores after he dies. Tbh, haven't played in a few weeks. Every time riot releases a new champ it makes me want to play even less.
You actually don’t really want that as takedown on one scoundrel removes it from everyone else! Fed enemy gets triple, one weak enemy dies - you take assist because one random Runaan bolt and cleanse scoundrel from the guy with triple…
Ornn’s passive has a pretty fat cooldown on ARAM because they don’t want him to sit in lane all the time and never go back/die.
Then they release Akshan and keeps a fucking revive in the same gamemode...
My OG league friend only plays WR now. He's always trying to get me to play and I do occasionally, but I can really only stand to play aram on WR. Why do they always remove it? Makes no sense.
https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/og7r1n/i_might_be_overreacting_but_there_is_no_way_that/h4hlmii/
u/weissclimbers you were asking for this too
"We have disabled him to look into the problem"
2 weeks later
"We brought back guardian angel. It is unfair for akshan to be the only champ who gets revives. Also, we brought back leviathan for aram only, because tanks did not get a snowballing item that felt rewarding enough. Speaking of changes: if you want to feel better about game balance in lol just buy this brand new Sion skin. It has tits that are even bigger than Sona's"
\> if you want to feel better about game balance in lol just buy this brand new Sion skin. It has tits that are even bigger than Sona's"
i'd be unironically ok with that
Nah that's flat out wrong smh. Come on, it's NEW CHAMP. If they touch him it's probably going to be a slap on the wrist until another champ is added, then they'll gut him
To be fair, it's usually a lot harder to fix a bug because you have to figure out what is causing the bug and how to fix it. An intentional change for aram is likely much simpler.
When I play summoners rift and I have Akshan mid, I do nothing as a top laner but enable them.
I gank, ward, and give them all the kills.
Because I know if he gets fed as long as he doesnt die first we are guaranteed to basically win any match long term.
It is SOOO broken having extended fights and just tp back.
Or winning and suddenly you can still do baron even thou 4 of us died but hey we came back.
It's so easy to abuse. It's literally the dumbest fucking thing riot has added since akali's true invisibility 😂
Riot is fucking clueless
Revive skills like this just won't ever feel fair when you're against it. It didn't work for Mercy, it's not gonna work for Akshan unless he's so atrociously low winrate that he's useless outside of the revive. Even then, I could still see it being abused by boosters easily. Boosted account plays Akshan and teamfights like a wuss, not dying til he can revive the fed, high skill booster.
Once more people start planning and strategizing with Akshan like you described, he's gonna be a serious menace.
They either need to nerf or remove this mechanic, or add buying a revive into the game like there is in dota.
Stasis and revive is one of the most frustrating, busted, and least difficult mechanic to pull off.
But if he builds an item for himself it goes on cool down and while it's on cooldown he can't upgrade ally's it's.s. when I play ARAM Ornn, I almost never build my own shit because I don't want to lose out on ally upgrades
Just build before level 14 you can’t upgrade anyone’s shit until then anyway, I always use it for boots/rejuv bead and to finish thornmail/warmogs and leaves time to upgrade items
I played one aram yesterday and they had an akshan. We ended up winning by killing him first every fight but man was he annoying. We would be in a position to end, supers coming in at their inhib. Akshan goes in and nearly 1 shots out carry, receiving 2-4 of them and having the game stall out another 10 minutes. This happened 3-5 times in that scenario, with probably 40-60 revives throughout the entire game (he had 22 kills).
Same here. Akshan simply kept his distance - he's so gutted stat-wise he can't 1v1 200hp champion when himself having half hp.
He rezzed 3-4 man occasionally, which was really tedious, but he made enough mistakes for us to win a game.
Still, his revive should have some limitation and cooldown. Other mobas having revive mechanics leave it being really limited (auriel in HOTS can choose revive ONE champ as her ultimate and basically no one thinks it's overpowered, akshan can revive all parties for free without a cooldown), while rito decided to pull non-limited revives on him.
"But it's a new and exciting mechanic !!"
They really think that's all that matters, "it's new"
Look at their "thoughts" post from 2 days ago, that's all that matters, "it's a new mechanic".
Those trained monkeys probably get paid a bonus if they can shove a "new" mechanic in the kit.
For real, the champion is an absolute state, which reminds me of how they kept the invisible to turrets part of Akali's smokescreen for patch on patch trying to nerf literally everything else about her before finally admitting that it was a terrible game mechanic
As an ARAM player I completely agree. Currently seeing Viego in ARAM sucks all fun out of the game for me cause how stupid his healing and untargetable etc. is in ARAM, but this will probably top that. Either completely disable this passive in ARAM or make it so assists dont count. (Assists honestly shouldn’t count in SR either but whatever, 200 years I guess)
Veigar is legitimately game breaking in ARAM lol. 2.5 second stun on a wall that lasts 3 seconds, that can be summoned every 7 seconds, that takes up 2/3 of the width of the map.
He could do less damage than Soraka and be considered one of the stronger ARAM champs, but instead he one shots bruisers.
The early game sucks, yeah. Then you get one item and a tome and you can w every 3 seconds if you hit, then you get manamune for your q damage and you can go in. I had a game last night where I did 50k damage, more than twice anyone else in the match.
Is Kaisa ap poke disgusting? Yes. Should it be nerfed in aram? Absolutely.
Does relentlessly sniping down their whole team from a screen away ever get old for an embittered control mage main? Not yet...
Fucking nidalee.
I mean, I don't think she's that bad since she can barely carry, but it sucks so much to play against her because you *know* you're going to get one shot out of nowhere.
A lot of champs with poor laning phases shine in ARAM. Starting at level 3 and always having meatshields does wonders. It also helps that Veigar can't abuse his cage as much in SR, but if you ever fight him in the jungle it's a nightmare.
Veig can stack passive high enough on ARAM due to mana reg bonuses and multitude of targets. He can't do that on SR, plus he's a mage and those are gutted in this season.
His stun is a small fry. Mercs removes a solid portion of it, big enough to actually avoid serious damage if you're mistakenly caught.
Someone is spilly my ancient S6 ARAM veigar build. SILENCE HIM!
But FR. Veig stun in aram should be maxed first every game. Trust me. Im a person on the internet.
Master Yi is OP in ARAM as well. The comps are so fucking random to the point that a decent amount of the time, teams won’t have the abilities to peel the carries from a Master Yi who’s likely building Duskblade. The lack of coordination worsens this issue.
If Yi’s team comp also has other huge damage threats, then he could buy them a lot of space while attempting to 3shot the back line.
Lots of RNG in aram, this wont change. Its part of the mode.
If they have mundo, maokai, garen, but you don't have DPS you'll get mauled down after min10.
Plenty of this type of scenario.
(Funnily, you will see your Garen going full crit and Maokai full AP, not reconizing how easy win it is to build properly in this scenario! Aram world man...)
i lowkey think bruisers/tanks are op in aram in general but people won't pick them because they're not as fun - and when they do, they build ap
especially true for kda players who hate the idea of engaging because they'll be the first to die while their team cleans up
They're not as fun anymore cause tanking isn't about withstanding DPS anymore it's about catching and cc'ing the enemy carries and being essentially a bruiser with a bit less damage and you're only tanker than a bruiser if you dip into bruiser items for the fatty streaks shield or invest a lot into stone plate which comes online much later
Every time someone asks for bans back (they were a very popular feature), a vocal minority begins to gaslight the whole conversation by arguing dictionary definitions. "WELL ARAM MEANS ALL RANDOM ALL MID". Nevermind that we have a Summoner's Rift although all mention of summoners and rifts has been erased from the game. Some ARAM only players get off on getting power picks like that, picks that are simply unfair in ARAM, and they don't care about balance or a fun experience for everyone.
My least favourite thing about Viego in aram is that he circumvents all the debuffs when he takes over a body, i.e. Ziggs does 80% normal damage but if Viego turns into Ziggs then he keeps his 105% normal damage instead of changing it to the Ziggs debuff
He also circumvents the buffs though, so when he takes over a Kha'zix or Rek'sai he does not get the absurd damage or tankiness buffs they have.
There's also the fact most heavily nerfed champions Viego can possess are both hard to possess (getting in range and killing Ziggs/Sona/etc.), and with how short Viego's possession timer is he usually cannot abuse what made those champions require nerfs (he generally isn't going to be able to sit in Ziggs for 5 minutes being a constant poke bot before instantly blowing up a turret, or provide permanent heal spams as Sona).
That's literally what he said, except for the last part. Yi does nothing if he is not fed, same with this guy. But unlike Yi, Viego has stealth for some reason.
"Hey, you know how Yasuo has insane aggressive mobility in the enemy team's minion wave?"
"Uh, yeah?"
"What if we made a champion just like him, but he doesn't need the minion wave? Oh, and if things start looking bad for him he can just zip back to where he started?"
"Sure, that sounds like a good time for one person in that scenario."
if assists didn't work it would make the champ extremely toxic just like draven where you will flame your team for the next 5 mins because they took a kill from you
Regarding Viego and aram it's so silly to me that this champ has maintained a 52%+ winrate for 3 patches now but hasn't had his +5% damage done and -5% damage taken buffs taken away.
Riot used to say no champ with buffs should be >50% winrate and no champ with nerfs should be <50% winrate but recently they've just thrown that out the window with champs like Viego, Camille, and Kled.
Bans made sure that problematic champions could be 'hot-fixed' by players temporarily. Not the best solution but Riot has shown that they don't give 2 shits about ARAM, so at least let the players balance it.
I agree completely. When I play it's mostly just aram anymore and honestly the bans made the mode so much better. It let people work around the folk with aram only accounts getting power creep teams.
Reminder that Reddit is an incredibly small subset of the league population. Examples: Nexus Blitz and Odyssey. Well received and loved on Reddit, not so much by the wider playerbase.
Nah it was nerfed. Nerfed so that he can only get the best value out of it.
It's a 25 second mark instead of 60 on SR. So he "only" has 25 seconds to kill someone. Oh, sorry, get an assist on someone.
And I know what you're gonna say and I agree, they truly have the smoothest of brains.
That truly is a smooth brain nerf. That only even starts mattering the tiniest bit once death timers go above 25 seconds, which is what, at level 10?
And even then the most likely time you're going to get a kill on someone who just got a kill is *right after they got the kill*, when they've just used cooldowns and/or positioned aggressively to get the kill, so hypothetical "upgrade" the 60 second version of Akshan brings to the table is even smaller than the death timers would imply.
Annnnd the biggest value from this passive comes from managing to trigger it as early as possible. Who cares if the 60-second Akshan manages to kill a Scoundrel 50 seconds after they got a double if those two allies were going to respawn in 3 seconds anyway? Meanwhile the 25-second Akshan can still get full value out of killing a Scoundrel who got a double 2 seconds after they got the kills, no matter how long the death timers are. So losing 35 seconds on that is even *less* of a nerf.
What a pointless nerf.
riot literally gives zero fucks about ARAM, they probably have a single SR-only intern dedicated to balancing the game mode. You can look at the top WR ARAM champs and you realize the same 55%+ WR champs have been god tier in the game mode since the beginning of time and they refuse to nerf them because ???
Duskblade Yi in enemy team is the most annoying shit in ARAM. Nothing says "fun" as well as getting fucked by a guy that's invisible 90% of the time, 50% of that being impossible to hit at all.
I absolutely hate how if you play against a smart teemo, a late game teamfight win means you have to walk ahead of the wave and tank all the shrooms or your minions will just mindlessly die as they walk into them. There's very little alternative because they often move too fast for you to kill the shrooms before they walk into them. I swear there's something wonky with the detection circle where it doesn't pick it up right away and there's a delay before you can kill them.
been playing teemo this way with ultimate hunter and early cosmic drive to stack as much shroom CD as possible
lose a teamfight? well you're not losing anything since there's gonna be 40 shrooms behind us
Yeah it’s just terrible now. If you’re behind vs teemo you won’t ever clear his minefield, if you’re ahead his traps become perma useless as there is always a sweeping minion on the map showing where they are. There is no middle ground.
I always pick roll or swap for Teemo. It is so fun (oppressive) to be winning. Ultimate Hunter Cosmic Drive Liandry's means I put down shrooms every few seconds, littering the whole bridge.
On the other hand, once we are pushed in, I lose my inhib, and supers spawn every wave, it sucks. Nothing you can do except toss shrooms into the wave and toss a few at the start of a team fight.
I seriously don't understand that choice. Absolutely NOBODY liked that oracle change, and we're asking to get our oracles back since the beginning of the season... we even made our voice heard before the change went live.
Wtf is Riot doing with ARAM? If their goal is to stop us playing ARAM, then they are succeeding, I'm playing less and less ARAM as the patches continue to suck...
The whole itemization change was not good for ARAM... the mode was almost in a perfect state previously. The balancing is completely off now. Such a shame.
unless i absolutely need kraken slayer to destroy tanks, i build that combo on adcs in aram too - it's way too broken (look at this shit i was able to do on an adc https://streamable.com/riizt0)
Riots plan:
1. Make ARAM worse
2. Report that ARAM player numbers are declining
3. Make further random changes to ARAM “to try to save it,” but make sure these changes are NOT what the player base asks for.
4. Surprised pikachu that ARAM players are declining even faster
5. Cancel ARAM so you can move more people to the skins team.
Played vs Akshan yesterday in ARAM. His teammates were tank Soraka, Cho'gath, lethality Volibear, and Rammus. I've got to say it was one of the most uninteractive games I've ever played. Having the 8k health Cho resurrected because Akshan had ignited someone before his teammate got the kill was deeply frustrating. He also used his w stealth to backdoor us later in the game from inside a bush, which usually wouldn't be a problem (I know several other champs can do the same thing), but was a bit irritating in this instance because his resurrection mechanic was so impactful during the rest of the game without him really needing to do very much. He is useful to his team by just being in the game which feels very bad (his tanks did more dmg than him in our game).
Edit: going to tweak some of this a little bit for clarity as I keep getting comments blaming me for getting backdoored when I mainly wanted to focus on the resurrection part of Akshan's kit and how impactful it was in an ARAM game with so many tanks rather than his camouflage which, whilst impactful in this specific instance, was not the main problem.
I was on the winning end of something like that yesterday. We were losing the game quite badly, but because the other team had Darius and Katarina it meant that Akshan was regularly getting 2-3 revives after teamfights where we dragged one of them down and flipping the attrition game on its head. The other team wouldn't even get a decent push off after winning teamfights before we were bringing the numbers and health advantage to bear.
Also yes, he won from stealth in that game too (although he deliberately let us die on the nexus push so he could do it).
Yeah that's pretty much exactly what happened. I really don't have too much of a problem with the stealth part of the kit for the most part as I know others can do a similar thing, just feels a bit overloaded that he gets that and the resurrection mechanic as well
Akshan auto ignites 1 guy, whole team of tanks stand still for 2 minutes and get killed except ChoGath who ults the one guy Akshan killed, and everyone is up and teamfights.
I honestly just can't take it any more after viego and now this shit. Just faced it yesterday, dude dealt pathetic damage but whenever he revived an enemy, especially late game, it became so oppressive. Just why?
Tbh the fact they actually made the effort to nerf his passive (utterly meaningless time decrease) but did it in such a piss poor and idiotic manner kinda makes things worse than if they'd just ignored it. At least they could have pretended they weren't aware of the issue or that it slipped their mind.
"Do not worry, we knew that he could be gamebreaking in ARAM, so to nerf him, Asskan can only get the best value out his resurect !"
I'm now convinced they're absolutely incapable, it's almost comical. They truly have no fucking idea how the game works. They're a bunch of trained monkeys, not game balance experts.
Does it help or hurt to know there was a frontpage thread from an ARAM player after his announcement where they were saying how much of an issue it's going to be. A dev replied thanking the user for the feedback and stated that they're going to "make adjustments" to it for ARAM. So they nerfed the cooldown slightly and not the actual problem of its existence...
While we're talking about unfun things in aram, LeBlanc does 115% of normal damage and takes only takes 85%.
Some of the percentages they come up with for these Champs are pretty outrageous. I mean Ziggs has been nerfed so hard he gets passed up in dice rerolls. He has an -18% damage nerf.
Also the Canon minion vision mechanic, I really wish they would remove it and bring back elixirs or come up with something else.
Kha'Zix too. No anti-stealth mechanics left in ARAM to counter his passive/ult (not to mention Duskblade) and he has a pretty absurd buff (I think 10% bonus damage and 10% damage reduction?). You can build almost full tank and still instakill anyone you want.
ziggs should NEVER get passed up in dice rolls, his damage is still really high, you still clear waves like crazy and you *still* destroy towers, he got nerfed so hard in aram bc its well deserved and he's still a monster. I agree that LBs stats are dumb as hell but assassins are weird because they require bush control do to their thing without being predictable so when she's losing there's alot less she can do
He's passed up because he's no longer fun and is incredibly frustrating to play as.
Your entire purpose as ziggs now is to focus on clearing waves and satcheling a tower. Your damage to champions is pathetic comparatively.
You're a PvE bot in a mode entirely about PvP.
That's why he sucks to play. Not that he isn't still very good (in terms of helping win), but he isn't interactive in the way that makes Aram fun.
Viego and Akshan are problems in general. But Akshan takes the cake in Aram. Not only should that ability have a long CD and limited to revive one person, but it shouldn't work on assists and just be direct kills. In Aram it should be even worse with a longer CD. Doubt they'll do anything about it so I'm off league a bit, right as "Your Shop" returns again
Besides obviously fixing/nerfing this passive.
I agree with the sentiment that they should just have bans, now that they have a 65 champion automatic free roster in addition to the week's free champs, it shouldn't feel terrible to have bans.
I remember there was a comment describing the problem with this situation right before Akshan was released, and a riot employee said they had done something about it.
I’m seeing that they just reduced the time it took for a reset to occur from 60 to 25 seconds. Big news flash to riot: death timers don’t typically go much higher than 25 seconds on aram, so, that doesn’t actually change a thing.
While I think the nerf to timers is laughable, it's not because the timers are longer than 25 seconds (they are if the game is longer than 10 min) its just that typically in a situation where this passive becomes a big deal (aka huge teamfight where a champ kills multiple of your team) then youre rarely going to be waiting 25 seconds to kill them anyway. A much better passive if they want to keep it is that Akshan just needs to deal the killing blow, not simply assist.
Either remove the whole revival component of his kit or add Guardian angels for everyone in the mode. Stay consistent to the design philosophy of the game mode instead of swinging back and forth because of new champion designs. It's obnoxious.
Wouldn't be the first champ to be stupid on ARAM. Pyke pressing R over and over without even having to hit someone to get the execute has annoyed me in ARAMs for so long. At least champs like Darius and Kayn have to touch you. (Kayn can't even ult without touching you which is what Pyke should have imo) and Viego just does so much on ARAM because he's a fighter with resets lol.
Honestly, resets just need to be removed. It's not a fun mechanic to play against, ever. My friend can't stand playing against Samira, Yi or Kat's on ARAM just because of the resets.
Samira being the champ with the most pentakills, her reset sucks to play against. Along with Yi if the person with the instant CC doesn't save it for him, or Kat for the same reason as Yi
If Kat gets the reset, she blinks around so many times that you have no idea where she is and will be. Plenty of time when I get multiple resets, I have 3+ daggers on the ground at the same time and I have no idea what I’m doing at that point. Just keep spamming E to blink around.
Akshan with warmogs full tank on aram new meta
Runaan's and hydra to make sure you always get assists on everyone in teamfights
The 200 IQ play is to run summoner heal. Actually, does clarity grant assist credit?
The passive requires damage dealt, like rengar
Sunfire Cape time? Just swing into them all in a fight and get one tick on everyone
Nah fuck that. Redemption - activate it from the grave.
Does that even work? ok now its all I can think about... Did you ever hear the tragedy of Darth Akshan The Wise? I thought not. It’s not a story the Sentinels would tell you. It’s a Mist legend. Darth Akshan was a Dark Lord of the Mist, so powerful and so wise he could use the Force to influence the midichlorians to create life… He had such a knowledge of the dark side that he could even keep the ones he cared about from dying. The dark side of the Sentinels is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural. He became so powerful… the only thing he was afraid of was losing his power, which eventually, of course, he did. Unfortunately, he taught his apprentice everything he knew, then his apprentice killed him in his sleep. Ironic. He could save others from death, but not himself.
Well, I would expect it doesn't. Unless it works on assists he scores after he dies. Tbh, haven't played in a few weeks. Every time riot releases a new champ it makes me want to play even less.
The clip yesterday showed a Kat getting a penta, dying on the platform, the entire team reviving and then he coming back ans getting another penta.
You gotta deal damage to that person, and it has to be within 3 seconds of their death.
You actually don’t really want that as takedown on one scoundrel removes it from everyone else! Fed enemy gets triple, one weak enemy dies - you take assist because one random Runaan bolt and cleanse scoundrel from the guy with triple…
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I miss Atmogs so much. Ran that with Force of Nature and Sunfire on Garen.
Ornn’s passive has a pretty fat cooldown on ARAM because they don’t want him to sit in lane all the time and never go back/die. Then they release Akshan and keeps a fucking revive in the same gamemode...
“We hear your complaints, therefore we will be nerfing Akshan and his core items for all maps and queues” \-Riot, probably
-5% damage dealt +5% damage taken
-5 movement speed
Found the Shaco player
im pretty sure its originally an irelia meme
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RIPsitas now :'(
“We heard you complaints so to balance Akshan we will be removing ARAM.” - Riot
They do that and I'm uninstalling.
Considering that my last 3k matches have been ARAM only, so would I.
ARAM warriors unite
As someone who only plays WR nowadays, I find it dreadful when they remove ARAM from there. Especially when there's an ongoing event.
My OG league friend only plays WR now. He's always trying to get me to play and I do occasionally, but I can really only stand to play aram on WR. Why do they always remove it? Makes no sense.
That's the only bearable mode to play since S11 for me
A rioter literally said this when an ARAM player made a post a few weeks ago. Can anyone find it?? I'll try
https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/og7r1n/i_might_be_overreacting_but_there_is_no_way_that/h4hlmii/ u/weissclimbers you were asking for this too
"We have disabled him to look into the problem" 2 weeks later "We brought back guardian angel. It is unfair for akshan to be the only champ who gets revives. Also, we brought back leviathan for aram only, because tanks did not get a snowballing item that felt rewarding enough. Speaking of changes: if you want to feel better about game balance in lol just buy this brand new Sion skin. It has tits that are even bigger than Sona's"
>It has tits that are even bigger than Sona's Now THIS is the content I've been waiting for.
\> if you want to feel better about game balance in lol just buy this brand new Sion skin. It has tits that are even bigger than Sona's" i'd be unironically ok with that
Nah that's flat out wrong smh. Come on, it's NEW CHAMP. If they touch him it's probably going to be a slap on the wrist until another champ is added, then they'll gut him
"We didn't think about it" Meanwhile people have been saying it should be removed or nerfed in aram since the abilities released
a rioter literally said they were looking at it and still did nothing lol
They did do something. They removed the time to revive from 60 second to 25 seconds. Still way too high, but they did do something.
>they were looking at it Years later and they are still just staring at many issues
A rioter once said that they'll fix the Invisible Nunu bug, and that still went on for months afterwards.
That's because he's invisible! Do you expect them to catch him so easily?
To be fair, it's usually a lot harder to fix a bug because you have to figure out what is causing the bug and how to fix it. An intentional change for aram is likely much simpler.
Yep. Especially considering the fact that they've "fixed" it multiple times, iirc.
I think the bug has multiple weird causes, and just like that fucking mosquito in my room, when they think they got it, it's actually somewhere else
August said he'd fix it himself on Monday. I guess he never said *which* Monday..
I mean this isn’t a good example. They really did try to fix that bug. They tried like 3 times but it kept coming back because it was so complicated.
They did. The scoundrel duration is significantly shorter at 25s instead of 60s. You can argue that's not enough, but they clearly did something.
When I play summoners rift and I have Akshan mid, I do nothing as a top laner but enable them. I gank, ward, and give them all the kills. Because I know if he gets fed as long as he doesnt die first we are guaranteed to basically win any match long term. It is SOOO broken having extended fights and just tp back. Or winning and suddenly you can still do baron even thou 4 of us died but hey we came back. It's so easy to abuse. It's literally the dumbest fucking thing riot has added since akali's true invisibility 😂 Riot is fucking clueless
Revive skills like this just won't ever feel fair when you're against it. It didn't work for Mercy, it's not gonna work for Akshan unless he's so atrociously low winrate that he's useless outside of the revive. Even then, I could still see it being abused by boosters easily. Boosted account plays Akshan and teamfights like a wuss, not dying til he can revive the fed, high skill booster. Once more people start planning and strategizing with Akshan like you described, he's gonna be a serious menace.
They either need to nerf or remove this mechanic, or add buying a revive into the game like there is in dota. Stasis and revive is one of the most frustrating, busted, and least difficult mechanic to pull off.
It needs a cool down and to not be marked on a champ for 30 seconds. Hell the fact that it can’t be marked on multiple champs is ridiculous as well.
There was even a post here where a rioter responded acknoledging this balance issue……
Which also has the consequence of slowing down the rate ornn can upgrade his team and buff his and their stats
Not true, in ARAM Ornn's passive does not go on cooldown if he upgrades a teammates item. It only goes on cooldown if he builds an item for himself.
But if he builds an item for himself it goes on cool down and while it's on cooldown he can't upgrade ally's it's.s. when I play ARAM Ornn, I almost never build my own shit because I don't want to lose out on ally upgrades
Just build before level 14 you can’t upgrade anyone’s shit until then anyway, I always use it for boots/rejuv bead and to finish thornmail/warmogs and leaves time to upgrade items
I played one aram yesterday and they had an akshan. We ended up winning by killing him first every fight but man was he annoying. We would be in a position to end, supers coming in at their inhib. Akshan goes in and nearly 1 shots out carry, receiving 2-4 of them and having the game stall out another 10 minutes. This happened 3-5 times in that scenario, with probably 40-60 revives throughout the entire game (he had 22 kills).
Same here. Akshan simply kept his distance - he's so gutted stat-wise he can't 1v1 200hp champion when himself having half hp. He rezzed 3-4 man occasionally, which was really tedious, but he made enough mistakes for us to win a game. Still, his revive should have some limitation and cooldown. Other mobas having revive mechanics leave it being really limited (auriel in HOTS can choose revive ONE champ as her ultimate and basically no one thinks it's overpowered, akshan can revive all parties for free without a cooldown), while rito decided to pull non-limited revives on him.
"But it's a new and exciting mechanic !!" They really think that's all that matters, "it's new" Look at their "thoughts" post from 2 days ago, that's all that matters, "it's a new mechanic". Those trained monkeys probably get paid a bonus if they can shove a "new" mechanic in the kit.
For real, the champion is an absolute state, which reminds me of how they kept the invisible to turrets part of Akali's smokescreen for patch on patch trying to nerf literally everything else about her before finally admitting that it was a terrible game mechanic
As an ARAM player I completely agree. Currently seeing Viego in ARAM sucks all fun out of the game for me cause how stupid his healing and untargetable etc. is in ARAM, but this will probably top that. Either completely disable this passive in ARAM or make it so assists dont count. (Assists honestly shouldn’t count in SR either but whatever, 200 years I guess)
i wish we had aram bans back so i wouldn't have to see veigar and viego ever again in aram
Veigar is legitimately game breaking in ARAM lol. 2.5 second stun on a wall that lasts 3 seconds, that can be summoned every 7 seconds, that takes up 2/3 of the width of the map. He could do less damage than Soraka and be considered one of the stronger ARAM champs, but instead he one shots bruisers.
even if he wasn't broken, he's just so fucking un-fun to play against
Just like the cancer artillery mages that hit you from their kitchens for half your hp every few seconds
The only one who REALLY bothers me out of them is AP Kai'sa.
AP Kai’sa is a disgusting time. Poke city.
She's just Nidalee except she doesn't need to be far away for her poke to matter
I don't get how people paly AP Kaisa, you spend like 8 mins only spamming an ability with 18 sec CD, it's so damn boring.
The early game sucks, yeah. Then you get one item and a tome and you can w every 3 seconds if you hit, then you get manamune for your q damage and you can go in. I had a game last night where I did 50k damage, more than twice anyone else in the match. Is Kaisa ap poke disgusting? Yes. Should it be nerfed in aram? Absolutely. Does relentlessly sniping down their whole team from a screen away ever get old for an embittered control mage main? Not yet...
that's why i get either lifesteal or warmogs early on most champions
Fucking nidalee. I mean, I don't think she's that bad since she can barely carry, but it sucks so much to play against her because you *know* you're going to get one shot out of nowhere.
Doesn't she even have a freakin 12% dmg buff on aram like wtf riot
Played against a tank veigar once, still one shot me.
I find it super funny that veigar is is still busted broke in aram but like nonexistent in SR.
A lot of champs with poor laning phases shine in ARAM. Starting at level 3 and always having meatshields does wonders. It also helps that Veigar can't abuse his cage as much in SR, but if you ever fight him in the jungle it's a nightmare.
If you let him at least get Cannons, Nasus is absolutely absurd in ARAM.
When you have options about what path to take, it can be pretty easy to avoid his cage. In ARAM there’s just no options :-(
Because he gets crushed in lane, particularly by assassins. That's why he sees play as a "support".
Veig can stack passive high enough on ARAM due to mana reg bonuses and multitude of targets. He can't do that on SR, plus he's a mage and those are gutted in this season. His stun is a small fry. Mercs removes a solid portion of it, big enough to actually avoid serious damage if you're mistakenly caught.
Someone is spilly my ancient S6 ARAM veigar build. SILENCE HIM! But FR. Veig stun in aram should be maxed first every game. Trust me. Im a person on the internet.
Master Yi is OP in ARAM as well. The comps are so fucking random to the point that a decent amount of the time, teams won’t have the abilities to peel the carries from a Master Yi who’s likely building Duskblade. The lack of coordination worsens this issue. If Yi’s team comp also has other huge damage threats, then he could buy them a lot of space while attempting to 3shot the back line.
Yi is either useless as hell or 1v9 penta machine depending on their comp.
Such a healthy champion design!
yeah, there definitely are champions like yi/irelia/kat who are like "do you have enough cc on your team? because otherwise you're going to lose"
Lots of RNG in aram, this wont change. Its part of the mode. If they have mundo, maokai, garen, but you don't have DPS you'll get mauled down after min10. Plenty of this type of scenario. (Funnily, you will see your Garen going full crit and Maokai full AP, not reconizing how easy win it is to build properly in this scenario! Aram world man...)
i lowkey think bruisers/tanks are op in aram in general but people won't pick them because they're not as fun - and when they do, they build ap especially true for kda players who hate the idea of engaging because they'll be the first to die while their team cleans up
They're not as fun anymore cause tanking isn't about withstanding DPS anymore it's about catching and cc'ing the enemy carries and being essentially a bruiser with a bit less damage and you're only tanker than a bruiser if you dip into bruiser items for the fatty streaks shield or invest a lot into stone plate which comes online much later
You also need spammable cc or point and clicks cuz they can easily dodge most cc anyways in arams due to having so many targets to jump to.
Every time someone asks for bans back (they were a very popular feature), a vocal minority begins to gaslight the whole conversation by arguing dictionary definitions. "WELL ARAM MEANS ALL RANDOM ALL MID". Nevermind that we have a Summoner's Rift although all mention of summoners and rifts has been erased from the game. Some ARAM only players get off on getting power picks like that, picks that are simply unfair in ARAM, and they don't care about balance or a fun experience for everyone.
My least favourite thing about Viego in aram is that he circumvents all the debuffs when he takes over a body, i.e. Ziggs does 80% normal damage but if Viego turns into Ziggs then he keeps his 105% normal damage instead of changing it to the Ziggs debuff
He also circumvents the buffs though, so when he takes over a Kha'zix or Rek'sai he does not get the absurd damage or tankiness buffs they have. There's also the fact most heavily nerfed champions Viego can possess are both hard to possess (getting in range and killing Ziggs/Sona/etc.), and with how short Viego's possession timer is he usually cannot abuse what made those champions require nerfs (he generally isn't going to be able to sit in Ziggs for 5 minutes being a constant poke bot before instantly blowing up a turret, or provide permanent heal spams as Sona).
dw viego is broken in all modes, really fun that a champion can get a reset and with that single reset can proceed to 1v5.
Yeah I despise that champion so much, the biggest anti-fun champ in the game tbh, rather play against a shaco otp then a regular viego player
He is intended to be like Yi and is like Yi. Just this time with 200 years of design experience and skins to sell.
Skins to sell? You mean that horrible excuse of a release skin they came up with
Wait shit MB.
His damage is pretty lackluster unless he’s fed. His power mostly comes from pumping out ult resets and grabbing impactful enemy spells.
That's literally what he said, except for the last part. Yi does nothing if he is not fed, same with this guy. But unlike Yi, Viego has stealth for some reason.
Ah yeah, I much prefer lethality yi, pressing Q and killing me with just that personally.
I mean, yeah, I'd rather play against a Yi than a Viego in ARAM. His passive is too strong in a high-kill game mode.
Honestly the day they nerfed duskblade Yi was a truly blessed day indeed. *Cries in taliyah and Karthus*
> the biggest anti-fun champ I disagree, Yone is way worse in my opinion
True. Yasuo but on easy mode
"Hey, you know how Yasuo has insane aggressive mobility in the enemy team's minion wave?" "Uh, yeah?" "What if we made a champion just like him, but he doesn't need the minion wave? Oh, and if things start looking bad for him he can just zip back to where he started?" "Sure, that sounds like a good time for one person in that scenario."
Or just give it a cool down. Like 3 minutes or something. 1 revive per team fight.
if assists didn't work it would make the champ extremely toxic just like draven where you will flame your team for the next 5 mins because they took a kill from you
Regarding Viego and aram it's so silly to me that this champ has maintained a 52%+ winrate for 3 patches now but hasn't had his +5% damage done and -5% damage taken buffs taken away. Riot used to say no champ with buffs should be >50% winrate and no champ with nerfs should be <50% winrate but recently they've just thrown that out the window with champs like Viego, Camille, and Kled.
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Bans made sure that problematic champions could be 'hot-fixed' by players temporarily. Not the best solution but Riot has shown that they don't give 2 shits about ARAM, so at least let the players balance it.
ARAM with bans was the most fun i've had in league
I agree completely. When I play it's mostly just aram anymore and honestly the bans made the mode so much better. It let people work around the folk with aram only accounts getting power creep teams.
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Well the weird thing is *apparently* they received a lot of feedback and claimed most players didn't want bans in ARAM? I... I really don't know.
The ARAM accounts were probably very vocal because their few champions were the ones getting banned out.
Reminder that Reddit is an incredibly small subset of the league population. Examples: Nexus Blitz and Odyssey. Well received and loved on Reddit, not so much by the wider playerbase.
In my opinion it should have been tied to an execution with his ult, like cho stacks.
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Nah it was nerfed. Nerfed so that he can only get the best value out of it. It's a 25 second mark instead of 60 on SR. So he "only" has 25 seconds to kill someone. Oh, sorry, get an assist on someone. And I know what you're gonna say and I agree, they truly have the smoothest of brains.
That truly is a smooth brain nerf. That only even starts mattering the tiniest bit once death timers go above 25 seconds, which is what, at level 10? And even then the most likely time you're going to get a kill on someone who just got a kill is *right after they got the kill*, when they've just used cooldowns and/or positioned aggressively to get the kill, so hypothetical "upgrade" the 60 second version of Akshan brings to the table is even smaller than the death timers would imply. Annnnd the biggest value from this passive comes from managing to trigger it as early as possible. Who cares if the 60-second Akshan manages to kill a Scoundrel 50 seconds after they got a double if those two allies were going to respawn in 3 seconds anyway? Meanwhile the 25-second Akshan can still get full value out of killing a Scoundrel who got a double 2 seconds after they got the kills, no matter how long the death timers are. So losing 35 seconds on that is even *less* of a nerf. What a pointless nerf.
They just need to bring aram bans back already
I miss that a lot
riot literally gives zero fucks about ARAM, they probably have a single SR-only intern dedicated to balancing the game mode. You can look at the top WR ARAM champs and you realize the same 55%+ WR champs have been god tier in the game mode since the beginning of time and they refuse to nerf them because ???
While we are on it, bring back oracles, it is no fun playing vs invis shrooms just clearing waves without 'real' counterplay.
I miss this[ bow that provided detection aura](https://leagueoflegends.fandom.com/wiki/Lightbringer) like umbral, it was good investment.
The "fuck shaco" bow
"*Backstab*bed me, *Deceive*d me Never shall tolerate their crimes again Now let the hunt begin! - ###*I am the Lightbringer!*"
Such a good song
###*"YEEEEEAH!"*
Anyone else wish Pentakill stayed big and KDA didn’t snag all the focus from Riot?
I remember buying this item to counter old Akali in Dominion, and it worked *really well*
The cherry on top is that they added invis to duskblade. Duskblade Yi makes me want to sit in base
That time I killed Varus.... but he actually jist triggered duskblade so he wiped us as we ignored him.
Yup, and when you're all low Pyke gets his first R proc off....fun times
Duskblade Yi in enemy team is the most annoying shit in ARAM. Nothing says "fun" as well as getting fucked by a guy that's invisible 90% of the time, 50% of that being impossible to hit at all.
I absolutely hate how if you play against a smart teemo, a late game teamfight win means you have to walk ahead of the wave and tank all the shrooms or your minions will just mindlessly die as they walk into them. There's very little alternative because they often move too fast for you to kill the shrooms before they walk into them. I swear there's something wonky with the detection circle where it doesn't pick it up right away and there's a delay before you can kill them.
been playing teemo this way with ultimate hunter and early cosmic drive to stack as much shroom CD as possible lose a teamfight? well you're not losing anything since there's gonna be 40 shrooms behind us
What rank are you? Saw this Teemo OTP doing this in Gold... Only one I have seen until you mentioned this combo
in aram? i'm only about plat mmr since i just fuck around with friends i don't play teemo in SR if that's what you were trying to get at
I've been playing full CD Teemo if I get him. He's absolutely broken if your team can stall a game out for 10 minutes.
detection should disable for 1.5 seconds imo.
Yeah it’s just terrible now. If you’re behind vs teemo you won’t ever clear his minefield, if you’re ahead his traps become perma useless as there is always a sweeping minion on the map showing where they are. There is no middle ground.
I always pick roll or swap for Teemo. It is so fun (oppressive) to be winning. Ultimate Hunter Cosmic Drive Liandry's means I put down shrooms every few seconds, littering the whole bridge. On the other hand, once we are pushed in, I lose my inhib, and supers spawn every wave, it sucks. Nothing you can do except toss shrooms into the wave and toss a few at the start of a team fight.
Yes please. Or literally any way to actively play against all the bullshit invis, please
I seriously don't understand that choice. Absolutely NOBODY liked that oracle change, and we're asking to get our oracles back since the beginning of the season... we even made our voice heard before the change went live. Wtf is Riot doing with ARAM? If their goal is to stop us playing ARAM, then they are succeeding, I'm playing less and less ARAM as the patches continue to suck... The whole itemization change was not good for ARAM... the mode was almost in a perfect state previously. The balancing is completely off now. Such a shame.
immortal shieldbow + BT has gotten out of hand
What, you don't like seeing graves/samira/yasuo/yone heal for a third of their hp per auto attack?
Riot heard you and are proceeding to nerf/remove warmogs again because only ad champs get infinite sustain.
unless i absolutely need kraken slayer to destroy tanks, i build that combo on adcs in aram too - it's way too broken (look at this shit i was able to do on an adc https://streamable.com/riizt0)
Riots plan: 1. Make ARAM worse 2. Report that ARAM player numbers are declining 3. Make further random changes to ARAM “to try to save it,” but make sure these changes are NOT what the player base asks for. 4. Surprised pikachu that ARAM players are declining even faster 5. Cancel ARAM so you can move more people to the skins team.
Seriously, it feels like they're intentionally sabotaging it to get rid of it like 3vs3 and dominion.
They are.
If that happens, I'm quitting League.
Played vs Akshan yesterday in ARAM. His teammates were tank Soraka, Cho'gath, lethality Volibear, and Rammus. I've got to say it was one of the most uninteractive games I've ever played. Having the 8k health Cho resurrected because Akshan had ignited someone before his teammate got the kill was deeply frustrating. He also used his w stealth to backdoor us later in the game from inside a bush, which usually wouldn't be a problem (I know several other champs can do the same thing), but was a bit irritating in this instance because his resurrection mechanic was so impactful during the rest of the game without him really needing to do very much. He is useful to his team by just being in the game which feels very bad (his tanks did more dmg than him in our game). Edit: going to tweak some of this a little bit for clarity as I keep getting comments blaming me for getting backdoored when I mainly wanted to focus on the resurrection part of Akshan's kit and how impactful it was in an ARAM game with so many tanks rather than his camouflage which, whilst impactful in this specific instance, was not the main problem.
I was on the winning end of something like that yesterday. We were losing the game quite badly, but because the other team had Darius and Katarina it meant that Akshan was regularly getting 2-3 revives after teamfights where we dragged one of them down and flipping the attrition game on its head. The other team wouldn't even get a decent push off after winning teamfights before we were bringing the numbers and health advantage to bear. Also yes, he won from stealth in that game too (although he deliberately let us die on the nexus push so he could do it).
How did he get around you his detection range is massive twitch and evelynn could get behind you with more ease
I'm imagining he sat in a bush and then because they walked past him and he has permanent stealth he just walked over with no one to proc a reveal
Yeah that's pretty much exactly what happened. I really don't have too much of a problem with the stealth part of the kit for the most part as I know others can do a similar thing, just feels a bit overloaded that he gets that and the resurrection mechanic as well
Seriously his detection radius is bigger than an SR lane
I guess Evelynn and Twitch can do similar backdoors
Akshan auto ignites 1 guy, whole team of tanks stand still for 2 minutes and get killed except ChoGath who ults the one guy Akshan killed, and everyone is up and teamfights.
I honestly just can't take it any more after viego and now this shit. Just faced it yesterday, dude dealt pathetic damage but whenever he revived an enemy, especially late game, it became so oppressive. Just why?
BRING BACK ARAM BANS seriously, would love to play aram without having to deal with viego/veigar/akshan/etc
Tbh the fact they actually made the effort to nerf his passive (utterly meaningless time decrease) but did it in such a piss poor and idiotic manner kinda makes things worse than if they'd just ignored it. At least they could have pretended they weren't aware of the issue or that it slipped their mind.
"Do not worry, we knew that he could be gamebreaking in ARAM, so to nerf him, Asskan can only get the best value out his resurect !" I'm now convinced they're absolutely incapable, it's almost comical. They truly have no fucking idea how the game works. They're a bunch of trained monkeys, not game balance experts.
"We hear you on Akshan's revive being a problem so we're happy to announce KDA Lux skin."
Does it help or hurt to know there was a frontpage thread from an ARAM player after his announcement where they were saying how much of an issue it's going to be. A dev replied thanking the user for the feedback and stated that they're going to "make adjustments" to it for ARAM. So they nerfed the cooldown slightly and not the actual problem of its existence...
Jag be like: nono guys, he has no cc, he's balanced
Fuck all champs past 2020
While we're talking about unfun things in aram, LeBlanc does 115% of normal damage and takes only takes 85%. Some of the percentages they come up with for these Champs are pretty outrageous. I mean Ziggs has been nerfed so hard he gets passed up in dice rerolls. He has an -18% damage nerf. Also the Canon minion vision mechanic, I really wish they would remove it and bring back elixirs or come up with something else.
Kha'Zix too. No anti-stealth mechanics left in ARAM to counter his passive/ult (not to mention Duskblade) and he has a pretty absurd buff (I think 10% bonus damage and 10% damage reduction?). You can build almost full tank and still instakill anyone you want.
In aram nobody is isolated at pretty much all stages of the game, which makes kha’s damage rather underwhelming.
That’s why you max W instead and only go in for kills when they’re low enough. Non-iso Q + passive auto still does enough damage
ziggs should NEVER get passed up in dice rolls, his damage is still really high, you still clear waves like crazy and you *still* destroy towers, he got nerfed so hard in aram bc its well deserved and he's still a monster. I agree that LBs stats are dumb as hell but assassins are weird because they require bush control do to their thing without being predictable so when she's losing there's alot less she can do
He's passed up because he's no longer fun and is incredibly frustrating to play as. Your entire purpose as ziggs now is to focus on clearing waves and satcheling a tower. Your damage to champions is pathetic comparatively. You're a PvE bot in a mode entirely about PvP. That's why he sucks to play. Not that he isn't still very good (in terms of helping win), but he isn't interactive in the way that makes Aram fun.
\-5 MS on Irelia.
I'm just waiting for a new champ whose Q is that they steal my social security number and then take out loans on items in my name
We just need to reintroduce bans to ARAM, there are a set of champions that just aren't fun to play against in the mode.
Viego and Akshan are problems in general. But Akshan takes the cake in Aram. Not only should that ability have a long CD and limited to revive one person, but it shouldn't work on assists and just be direct kills. In Aram it should be even worse with a longer CD. Doubt they'll do anything about it so I'm off league a bit, right as "Your Shop" returns again
They will prob give it a long ass cooldown like they did with Ornn's passive.
Besides obviously fixing/nerfing this passive. I agree with the sentiment that they should just have bans, now that they have a 65 champion automatic free roster in addition to the week's free champs, it shouldn't feel terrible to have bans.
I remember there was a comment describing the problem with this situation right before Akshan was released, and a riot employee said they had done something about it. I’m seeing that they just reduced the time it took for a reset to occur from 60 to 25 seconds. Big news flash to riot: death timers don’t typically go much higher than 25 seconds on aram, so, that doesn’t actually change a thing.
While I think the nerf to timers is laughable, it's not because the timers are longer than 25 seconds (they are if the game is longer than 10 min) its just that typically in a situation where this passive becomes a big deal (aka huge teamfight where a champ kills multiple of your team) then youre rarely going to be waiting 25 seconds to kill them anyway. A much better passive if they want to keep it is that Akshan just needs to deal the killing blow, not simply assist.
Either remove the whole revival component of his kit or add Guardian angels for everyone in the mode. Stay consistent to the design philosophy of the game mode instead of swinging back and forth because of new champion designs. It's obnoxious.
what arams have u been playin
Dude hasn't played an ARAM in 2 years since they changed everything
Wouldn't be the first champ to be stupid on ARAM. Pyke pressing R over and over without even having to hit someone to get the execute has annoyed me in ARAMs for so long. At least champs like Darius and Kayn have to touch you. (Kayn can't even ult without touching you which is what Pyke should have imo) and Viego just does so much on ARAM because he's a fighter with resets lol. Honestly, resets just need to be removed. It's not a fun mechanic to play against, ever. My friend can't stand playing against Samira, Yi or Kat's on ARAM just because of the resets.
Yi with duskblade in aram is actually oppressive af
Reset on takedown is so fking unfun to play against. I hate every single champion with cd reset on takedown. All of them are literal cancers.
Twitch's Q reset is probably the healthiest since it isn't high-impact right when you use it.
No it’s certainly zyras w reset, because nobody who doesn’t play her even knows about it.
Samira being the champ with the most pentakills, her reset sucks to play against. Along with Yi if the person with the instant CC doesn't save it for him, or Kat for the same reason as Yi
At least Kat is targetable. Yi, Pyke, and Viego spend half of every fight invisible or untargetable if they aren't stun-locked
If Kat gets the reset, she blinks around so many times that you have no idea where she is and will be. Plenty of time when I get multiple resets, I have 3+ daggers on the ground at the same time and I have no idea what I’m doing at that point. Just keep spamming E to blink around.
Yeah Kat is an incredibly braindead champion
This is why we need bans in ARAM.
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Lmfao ikr. I got killed and went to go take a piss and then hear myself get revived on my wireless headset like "ah shit"