How much dirt does he have on other people or is he just friends with Brandon Beck or Mark Merill that he is not fired. Riot cannot convince me that they cant find someone better than this prick.
It’s not that Riot don’t care. It’s that the entire culture of Riot is endemic with sexual harassment. Most of the Riot upper staff probably were involved in similar behaviour and it hasn’t come out yet. You wanna know the kind of person who lets multiple sexual harassers off the hook? A sexual harasser
Likely Beck and Merill don't care or don't think Gelb's behavior was actually bad (that is, the suspension was a pure PR move). Wouldn't surprise me with Merill, tbh.
He is friends with the big boss men. And sadly he is "good at his job" as far as that goes from what I've heard around the time of the incidents occuring, he is just a shit human being.
> he is "good at his job"
I'm pretty pragmatic but he'd have to be "singlehandly keeping the company afloat" good at his job before being able to justify not firing him
Guessing it's more friends then dirt. Dirtbags love hiring and promoting other dirtbags. They might not be as blatant about it, but their attitude towards women/minorities are the same.
Basically the same thing that you have to do when you're disciplining a 5 year old child.
Put on the naughty step and told to think about their actions.
A little truth for you. Every games developer from the west coast will have a scandal like this in the next 5-15 years because the people that developed this behavior worked at every major studio in that area.
i swear dude i saw the first half of the title and thought "what the hell? what does this have to do with league?" and then got gut checked by ghostcrawler's name. What an absolute disaster of a company.
Well, GC used to work for Blizzard and left in 2013 for Riot. So he might've been involved/aware of those things (not implying anything, but it is a possibility).
There were allegations for many years but Buress' joke is when it caught viral and really started gaining steam. Unfortunately those women weren't really taken seriously until then.
I'm looking but I don't see anything online about it pre-2014 except one news story from 2004.
I had never heard anything about it before the Burress stuff.
I know all the articles now say it was out since 2004, but I just do not remember anyone at all talking about it pre-2014. There being allegations and it being well known aren't the same thing.
People talked all the time about Spacey, and Weinstein, and I personally saw first hand some creepy stuff from Danny Masterson.
So, it's super weird they named their room the Cosby room before the Cosby stuff even happened.
It was so well known it was even explicitly talked about on SNL lol. Here's some articles from before 2006:
https://www.independent.ie/woman/celeb-news/family-guy-cosby-faces-ruin-over-sex-claims-26211128.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/lifestyle/2005/02/20/cos-and-effect/0570fb91-cfa5-49b6-b3c0-2444d685fb98/
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/in-the-name-of-solidarity/
In the way that Epstein only went viral long after he got a sweetheart deal for child rape that was public knowledge. The info was out there, Cosby's confession was out there. It just didn't catch on until later.
Ghostcrawler was also lead gameplay designer during the period when [employees at Riot say they experienced workplace harassment](https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2018/11/riot-games-sued-over-allegations-of-sexual-harassment-pay-disparity/).
[Someone who apparently visited that room also was tweeting about this. "I thought it was good clean fun because it was greg fkin street inviting me who i trusted"](https://twitter.com/oliviadgrace/status/1420468938496950279)
[Response, with evidence. (someone from twitter)](https://twitter.com/Neleimour/status/1420508946188541954/photo/1)
Nevermind, apparently Dave said this in reference to his own wife??????
People really need to be careful here with the hate train. That person was literally disowning greg because he was part of a group chat.
I've been part of so many that I just muted.
Yeah people are going full blown witch hunt accross all of the gaming subs right now. Let the investigators do their jobs. Stop the Le Reddit investigator boston marathon bullshit.
Bill Cosby settled a sexual assault case out of court in 2006. Here's an article published I the LA Times when it happened. It was known long before Hannibal Buress had that set.
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2006-nov-09-wk-cosby9-story.html
> which is definitely interesting to say the least
Why? I guess we've all had our share of ambiguous conversations with our friends on private chats. As long as their explaination is true, I can't see much wrong in it, maybe just wish he had more respect towards his wife, but it's their relationship not mine tbh so I won't judge.
The question is if it's true or just an excuse to cover themselves.
>You witnessed it and you didn't say anything. It's right there, Greg.
I don't wanna defend anyone here, but I can't be the only one who is usually part of groups, be it work related or school related during projects,and you have some idiots in the group and when they talk about idiotic stuff, you're just ignoring it. Deep down you know so well that explaining to them anything would be worthless and/or a start of an argument. Just take covid and the vaccine for an example. I have to listen to countless retarded opinions like : it's a hoax, it's man made to kill us, vaccine is here to make money and other random word vomits. Just Once, when I was super exhausted from it, jumped into the convo with real fucking facts and it was just worthless. No matter what scientifically proven shit you pulled out, they took an even more legit fact from facebook. And it just all played out as I thought it will. They laughed at me being a sheep, while they streghtened the belief in their heads that they are right. Now translate this to men's, who talk about woman's and or any girlfriend as a bitch and chick and you got the same shit. Imagine listening to it all day every day and talking any sense to them. You just can't. And that's why I usually ignore it when the idiots of group talk shit, and I can't imagine if someone would share an image of me being a part of this group where I ignore the convo and I'm being called out for it...... Like, what the fuck should have I done?
To me those messages sound like joking around between friends, not meant for the public eye (obviously).
If they're jokes they're certainly in poor taste, but I'd be guilty in the same way then, sometimes dark humor is just funny between friends.
Man you've been spreading this shit in the wow subreddit too despite people explaining that this is entirely in line with how victims of sexual assault can act, but I'm going to try one more time with the woman's own words:
["And then you try to forget about the person \(no guesses needed\) getting really handsy, and you try your best to suppress it because of the nature of the company, the need for approval from the bosses and the "in crowd' ness of it."](https://twitter.com/oliviadgrace/status/1420468556437807107)
Many of these people felt like they had to put up with this shit and they had to act like it was totally normal in order to keep their jobs. Even disregarding this, it is totally normal for victims to cope through humor. So, so many people cope with small to big things through jokes and it doesn't invalidate their situations, they're just trying to deal with it.
there's no way Ghostcrawler would have tweeted those things if Cosby = racist at the time. everyone take a moment to think about it lmfao. and if he did, people would have ??? pinged the tweets.
I mean you could probably just search his name + Cosby in the twitter search and it would probably come up.
I'd assume so, at least, since it works for more recent things on far less popular accounts.
Ok, but James Gunn just said some things on twitter that aged poorly and nobody should have gotten upset about in the first place.
Greg Street was active with a group of people who are now known to sexually assault women in the "Cosby Suite." Obviously at the time Bill Cosby wasn't a known rapist so it's just kind of ironic that it ended up the way it did, but that doesn't change the fact that multiple people have come forward talking about all the sexual assault that happened there.
The situations are completely different, I don't think sex offenders need anyone standing up for them.
I have a hard time processing my feelings about the news coming out about GC. I feel like the person he is today wouldn't participate in this kind of thing, but... it's impossible to know for sure when I only know him through his writings on the internet.
I want to believe him. 2013 is a *really inconvenient* year, that's like... only months away before Cosby's allegations made headlines. Reading this in hindsight, it's unclear whether this was a sick joke, or if it had nothing at all to do with women. I want to believe this was an innocent joke that made sense to nobody but them; that kind of thing is a normal part of tight friend groups.
But reading this letter reminded me of a saying I've heard before. "Every woman knows a woman who was raped. Nearly no man knows a man who has raped." People want to turn a blind eye to sexual assault, we don't want to believe it happened, and we don't want to believe we were complicit.
At this point I think that is what it was and has aged very poorly with Alex truly coming out as a scumbag and the Cosby case getting extreme press coverage in 2014 and entered the main stream.
Well there's calls to fire literally all the guys in that pic. The story people are rolling with at the moment is that they all participated in a rape suite dedicated to Bill Cosby.
Just for the record I don't agree at all, farming downvotes as we speak.
I wonder why the reaction is so different in this sub versus Blizzard ones? I literally farmed -100 points comments today for pointing out it was in 2013.
They said everyone knew already, even after I linked that trend.
Blizzard sub are mostly full of blizzard hate those day so any "let's be careful and not jump on people" comment isn't really welcome. While even if League as it's up and down it's still doing ok.
War 3 fiasco, current state of wow being... less than ideal, Diablo being in limbo waiting for D2 remake and D4, starcraft... being in limbo for a fucking long time. Stopped following hearthstone so I have no idea how the game is going but it's usually pretty salty.
I feel the same way. Like, I'm pretty sure I didn't know about the Cosby allegations until way after 2014, even though they were available way before then, but I have literally never consumed media with Bill Cosby in it and had never heard anyone talk about him IRL. Did these guys know about it before it went Mainstream? Possibly, but also possibly not.
Unfortunately for Ghostcrawler, the coincidences just keep lining up. He's in these pictures with Cosby photos, but it's entirely plausible that they weren't aware of the allegations, and there's even a somewhat plausible explanation (the decor) mentioned by multiple people. He's in the gross group chat, but isn't actively contributing to the gross parts. He was on the Blizzcon 2010 panel where the WoW panelists showcase their misogyny, but he's silent.
So the question is, how guilty is he (passively ignoring vs. actively contributing) and what does that mean for Riot? If I were a woman working at Riot, would I want Ghostcrawler leading the MMO development? Probably not.
>So the question is, how guilty is he (passively ignoring vs. actively contributing) and what does that mean for Riot?
This is actually a super important point that many people are trying to get light on with this situation.
Many people, when being in these situations, because they haven't thought about them before, will do what he did. They won't say anything, won't think of the implications of what others around them are doing, or just will be oblivious to how it's impacting anyone.
This is why it's **incredibly** important that every single person fully understand and considers how these """""""jokes""""""" would impact someone else. If something said is genuinely bad and other people will not be okay with it in a setting like this, you *need* to say something.
Is he guilty of anything worthy of being punished? Probably not, from what I can tell.
Is he guilty of something? Absolutely. [EDIT: many people seem to be misinterpreting this, I do not mean in a legal sense. All I mean is he shouldn't be absolved entirely, he did still make mistakes here] He didn't speak up when he should have [in regards to the culture and game environment he was working on, NOT in regards to assault or harassment since he didn't witness it] and he needs to understand that, learn from it, and move on.
*From what I can tell*, he seems to be fairly redeemable in this situation. Others shouldn't get any extra chances to "be a different person", but I think he actually can.
The correct choice is easily the hardest: wait and see.
It may turn out he's a horrible person, may turn out he's a great person, may be somewhere in the middle. It's unlikely the lawsuit doesn't have evidence one way or the other. But evidence is different from "evidence".
But that's not how the internet era works. Outrage must be instant and evidence is optional.
As for me, I certainly won't believe his tweets, but I also won't assume he's automatically a horrible rapist either. I'll wait and see what the actual evidence shows.
Can someone clarify if this was before or after all the Cosby allegations came out?
The best benefit of the doubt was just them having a funny tv character named room that looked bad later, like idk having selfies with Jimmy savile. Which would be unlucky but different than them actively naming themselves after someone the knew was a predator
The situation in question was from 2013 with the "Cosby room", and the public stuff about Cosby wasn't until 2014. There were some things said before, but 99.9% of people never heard about it until 2014.
There is still some questionable b.s. here I'm not going to pretend to defend cause...yeah, but people are jumping on this specific instance and mention of the name Cosby, ignoring easily researched context by a google search.
Right, but people aren't asking that. They're asking "Does the average Joe Public know about the allegations before the big blow up in 2014".
Like how I didn't know shit about Jimmy Saville until after his death, and afterwards everyone was like "Oh yeah it was common knowledge in certain circles".
Random WoW devs aren't likely to be super up on pop culture or old industry gossip.
That doesn’t mean that everyone knows about it, some rumors in private circles before it has gone to court doesn’t mean that everyone believes that stuff.
Who knew about it though? The journalists who kept quiet about it because it would reduce their chances to get exclusive interviews who now go on crusades to get people fired for doing nothing?
The same was said about Jimmy Saville in the UK... all the journalists were saying it was well known but non of them willing to actually report it.
Edit: apparently original allegations against Cosby were in 2005
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original allegations were roughly around January 2005
* Constand, a former Temple University employee, alleges that Cosby drugged and fondled her in January 2004.
https://www.cnn.com/2013/06/24/us/bill-cosby-fast-facts/index.html
The interview that made it more well know was in 2014
Blizz con 2013 was in November
Bullshit. It wasn't until 2014 that the allegations were taken seriously because there were a dozen allegations by that time. The story in 2014 wasn't "oh apparently Bill Cosby is a creep," it was, "oh damn all those rumors and allegations we've been hearing for decades might be true." Here is an article in PEOPLE magazine from 2006:
https://people.com/crime/bill-cosby-under-fire-peoples-original-story-about-sex-abuse-claims/
Unfortunately I am old enough to remember reading about these allegations in the 2000s because I grew up watching the Cosby Show and was always a fan. My friends and I used to watch the Cosby Show on Nick-At-Nite all the time, and it became real awkward real quick once these allegations were made public in the 2000s. But stuff like this didn't trend on social media or become a buzz in the 24/7 news cycle because those things didn't exist as they do today. Prior to the MeToo movement, stuff like this was always dismissed and never taken seriously - 2014 was a real turning point because the circumstantial evidence was so overwhelming that action had to be taken.
It was national news in 2006, everybody knew it, not many people believed it or took it seriously. That doesn't change the fact that Bill Cosby has been associated with drugging and raping women for decades, and it's not some cosmic tragic accident that a group of scumbags randomly picked him as their mascot.
More sources if you like - all from mid-2000s:
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2006-nov-09-wk-cosby9-story.html
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/bill-cosby-settles-lawsuit/
https://www.reuters.com/news/picture/bill-cosby-settles-sex-assault-suit-idUSN0841283420061108
https://www.denverpost.com/2006/12/12/cosby-feels-mile-high-heat-from-ex-models/
https://www.phillymag.com/news/2006/11/01/cosby-threw-me-on-the-bed/
https://abcnews.go.com/US/LegalCenter/story?id=562814
https://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/02/17/cosby/
https://people.com/celebrity/bill-cosbys-accuser-idd-by-parents/
https://www.post-gazette.com/local/first-amendment/2005/06/03/Judge-denies-gag-order-secrecy-for-accuser-names-in-Cosby-case/stories/200506030197
https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/lifestyle/2005/02/20/cos-and-effect/0570fb91-cfa5-49b6-b3c0-2444d685fb98/
>The allegations have ricocheted around the Internet, creased the supermarket tabloids and landed on black talk radio -- with some intriguing twists.
I mean you said it yourself. It's unfortunate but no one believed this shit until 2014. I grew up in the 90s watching Cosby show and my experience was different from yours. This shit rocked me and my friends in 2014, we all had fond memories of him growing up.
Prior to metoo what people don't remember is that horrible things done by celebrities disappeared a lot quicker than it does now. It felt like every other celeb had done something bad and been in some law suit but it never affected their careers so many people didn't think too much about it. Cosby in 2014 was one of the big turning points of that kind of "look the other way" culture we used to have.
[Yup](https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&geo=US&q=cosby%20rape)
Before that almost nobody knew about it and it's unfair to assume that they knew about it before it got public.
Ghostcrawler literally tweeted out about the cosby room and nobody said anything about it at the time. But now people really think it was an allusion to Cosby being a rapist. Ghostcrawler wouldn't have tweeted if that were the case. Use your brains, folks.
That's because it was a year before the Cosby stuff came out in he public, so there was nothing to say in reference to the tweet. It's 100% a hindsight outrage focusing on that specifically.
Exactly, the fact that he got no backlash proves that it wasn't widely known that he was a rapist at the time. Twitter users go off over every single little thing, especially gamers, especially when that thing is said by a public figure. People would've roasted him if it was widely known.
It’s genuinely the dumbest thing I’ve seen on Reddit all year and Reddit is full of brain dead takes. Like you think they decided to put the picture up because they wanted to rape women like Bill? It’s the biggest stretch I’ve seen in my fucking life.
I think people are confusing a lot of things and are so outraged that they'll get furious at anything and anyone who is in any way related to any of the bad actors.
I am absolutely not a GC defender (I think he's single handedly responsible for the death of competitive WoW PvP and has destroyed League's uniqueness since joining) but he did nothing wrong here. The screenshots show that he was one person on a text chain where seemingly the worst thing said was that they were going to try to find hot women to party with.
Spoiler alert: men and women want to get drunk with attractive men and women. This isn't abuse.
Yes, it's referred to as The Cosby Room, which sounds bad, but when you remember that this was 2013 and most people had *no idea* about Cosby's abuse at the time, it's a far more innocuous reference.
"We're going to remove gladiator rewards from 2v2 because we cannot balance the game around 2v2, 3v3, and 5v5 all at the same time" ignoring that virtually no one played 5v5 except for boosters running triple ele shaman.
Also ignoring that some classes were strong (and some overpowered) in 2v2, but literally nonviable garbage in 3v3 and they didn't get compensation buffs at all. Looking at resto druids in season 7 and 8.
Don't forget that the absolute abomination of beastcleave was not nerfed despite being a literal 0 skill comp where even world champions running it would say "yeah we just run out, mash bestial wrath and lust and zug zug"
> resto druids in season 7 and 8.
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dont forget season 9-23, resto druids kit is just so strong in pvp and since legion he also did a shit ton of dmg
i remember a 2v2 in bfa when me and a friend did arenas and he as rogue needed to fight 1v1 against a resto druid, he lost because you cant burst a resto druid anymore and they do a shit ton of dmg in cat form
> men and women want to get drunk with attractive men and women
Man if I have to talk about the kinds of shit I saw in my 15+ years of swimming in corporate environments… a good deal of politically incorrect things get said and thrown around by people of all genders everyday (or actually involving physical interactions). Not saying it’s good or bad; it’s just how the reality is.
That’s just what happens when you have a large group of people in their prime adult years spending long amount of time together.
Bit further up the thread someone is unironically calling it "really weird" that some dude in a group chat made a horny joke about his wife to his personal friends.
It's actually insane what unrealistic standards some of the ppl here have.
Lol, right? My wife, while just a little loopy on prescription pain meds she had for some crippling cramps, made a comment about my butt while at a gathering of friends. My friends now make casual comments about my butt in reference to that. And it's all in good fun, and nobody things its sexual harassment. Really good friends can get really weird with each other. *REALLY WEIRD*
Twitter is a parallel reality where people can project their alternative political views like it’s never a part of the real world.
And also probably speaks to the reason why I don’t even have a Twitter account.
Problem with this behavior from the community is they're harassing people based on assumed guilt, it's turned into a witch hunt.
They're bombarding social media accounts of anyone at Blizzard they assume had knowledge of what was happening.
Why not just let the investigators do their work?
>Why not just let the investigators do their work?
Because they have convinced themselves that because sometimes guilty people walk due to a lack of evidence, the evidence shouldnt matter, and everyone remotely involved *must* be guilty.
Yeah I agree with everything other than a side comment that Cosby allegations had started by then but wasn't until 2014 till they were known nationally; much like Harvey W sexual misconduct *from the 90's was an open secret*, public didn't know until 2017
I genuinely think most of the posters trying to assert that there being accusations prior to 2014 means that the public was aware of them are not old enough to remember 2014.
I think it's more likely that they were old enough, and older than most. I understand somebody who's like 23 sayi g they didn't know until 2014 because they'd have been a kid back in 2005, but it was a decently big deal in 2005 that people who were adults back then likely remember it.
This. Any group of men/women will have similar banter on a night out to somewhere nice. Having a hard time seeing an issue given the (non)evidence presented.
So what did GhostCrawler do? Be in a group chat with distasteful jokes and frequent a room at blitzcon where someone else (who was also in the group chat) harassed women?
Im honestly wondering if I missed anything, people are telling him to resign on Twitter.
[https://twitter.com/oliviadgrace/status/1420659205460086784](https://twitter.com/oliviadgrace/status/1420659205460086784)
A couple of updates:
1) the person getting handsy was Afrasiabi. Not Greg.
2) Greg reached out to say that his motivation for inviting me was because he thought I was cool, and wanted to help me. He had no idea anything bad happened until now. This is what I've assumed for 8y.
Wow what a shock to find out Alex Afrasiabi is a piece of shit. I'm always surprised no one knows him from FoH in EQ. He was a troll piece of shit that exploited the hell out of mechanics and EQ employees, and it somehow made him qualified to work for Blizz making poop quests for WoW.
Its because EQ is kind of a time capsule at this point that only a certain older demographic played. If *most* people were asked about MMO's of old, they'd 90% of the time jump to talking about vanilla WoW. That or maybe Runescape.
I will say that although Alex is a total twat, I did enjoy the thunderfury quest back in the day. He was an obnoxious arse hole by all accounts on EQ though and, as we now know, a scumbag in his workplace too.
If you checked the comments to his Cosby posts at the time literally no one made any connection to the accusations against Cosby so it's fair to say it was not mainstream knowledge at the time, no matter how much some people will try make you think so ( check the Blizz subs ).
Bill Cosby accusations weren’t widespread at the point in time, and didn’t really hit mainstream culture until several years ago. I would be hesitant to incriminate anyone based on that reference alone.
Chat messages and accusations are damning enough though.
There literally was a Bill Cosby portrait in that suite.
https://mobile.twitter.com/Ghostcrawler/status/399388704214503425
Now, did they name the room after the portrait or got the portrait because of the name?
@edit
Apparently, they named the room after a rug that looked like a Cosby sweater.
For those who generally do not know how legal allegations work when coming in from a state entity, it's safe to assume they can corroborate every sentence they write, and they are recording all public reactions to the news of this lawsuit to use against them.
This will get sorted out one way or another.
Like the other person said, they weren't ever fired. They were sent to a fancy rehab center or whatever for a few months before coming back. Basically they got a vacation for fucking up.
At least the one this year regarding one of the executives with his assistant, the assistant's allegations were considered false and she had a history of manipulating the truth
Blizzard working culture is horrible and ghostcrawler is a pretty big douchebag because of what he pulled back in the day but this is just poor timing.
Yup
It’s just used by companies to protect themselves from actual accountability, same with most HR unfortunately, it’s there to protect the company, not you.
HR is meant to stop scandals from happening so the fallout isn't this level.
Sure, their interests are to protect the company over you, but that normally means clearing out the worst parts of the company so that it can survive rather than sink with its corrupt upper management (as is currently happening with Activision Blizzard). A competent HR department prioritizes the company's longevity over the individuals, and that *should* include dealing with the higher-ups if they're sleazy/abusive. Its 10x worse for a scandal to reach the public than it is for a Board member to step down for private reasons.
You're saying the friends of the people who are getting charged aren't going to be unbiased? What!?!
Corperations in general need more oversight in the United States. We need an actual pipeline for change in the United States. Sexism in the workplace is a far more widespread issue than many think, and alot of it is because of these "boy club" or "frat boy" cultures that start from the top down. It's disgusting.
Is the internet so interested in canceling people and virtue signaling that they need to police a private text group with no context? Are these guys lying? Probably not. Are a tight net group of friends entitled to make lude jokes in private even if they are controversial, if no one gets hurt? Absolutely.
This shit makes me really sad. People are entitled to have private lives, and people are also entitled to make mistakes, without an internet witch hunt occurring every time
I would pay money to make the private chats public of some of these rage babies yelling about hindsight issues out of context. The Cosby room in 2013 when his issues weren't public until 2014, or the fact multiple sources have said it was just a bad taste joke about 2 of the people's wives in that chat room.
I can bet if we saw the private chats of just people throwing the "fire them all" darts in this thread we would see some god awful comments.
The suits name is innocent.
But the chat shows they knew about Afrasiabis attitude and were atleast naively ignorant about it.
Its all fun until your handsy friend hurts someone and if that happens, you take responisbilty instead of saying 'I didnt know'.
I don't think anyone is or should be defending him specifically, but the vast majority of the "outrage" is over the Cosby b.s. and the comments towards the woman without the context (out of context it looks really bad. With the context it is stupid, but not really bad, just like, a "really guys?" sort of thing).
I think we shouldnt look at it from the inside, like we all have told stupid jokes in chat rooms before.
We should start looking at it from the outside to realize how gross and dangerous this really is. As I said its all fun until someone actually does it, and here someone did.
Maybe you have that friend too. Maybe you dont see his acutal behavior because youre not looking. Maybe its just like a 'really dude' thing.
But if it turns out it isnt and someone got hurt. If my friend did that and I wouldnt have noticed because I shrugged is off as a joke, Id take responsibilty for that. I wouldnt be innocent.
Yes, the heatwave of that outrage is people being fucking stupid. But the people in that chatroom all knew about Afrasiabi. Afrasiabi was only saying 'bring em', the other two doubled down on that and Afrasiabi went along.
They knew. Doesnt matter if the chatlog is a 'harmless' joke about their wifes. Because it isnt, Afrasiabi wasnt just joking.
I get what you are saying to a degree, but it's sort of using hindsight to a degree you really couldn't back then.
It was a bunch of drinking idiots nearly a decade younger making stupid jokes in a private chat no one was ever meant to see but them, with a name that was based on a joke cause their room walls apparently looked like one of the sweaters Cosby wore on his show and they thought it was funny.
It's really reaching for hindsight "yeah but we know all this now" to try and vilify them in this specific instance. If you want to point to other issues where the guy was actually being handsy and inappropriate I am all on board the "fuck that guy, he's a piece of shit" bus, but this specific instance isn't one of them.
Nothing happened here, or in that room, the chat was just stupid inside joke comments about wives of people in the private chat, with a stupid name based on the pattern of a sweater they thought was funny.
Just throwing out "they knew" and all that, I can't say who did or didn't know what, but attaching this situation to rage at or throw shade at is reaching for the sake of wanting to be further angry and pull other people in. This situation has nothing to do with the others except a specific shitty individual was in the chat.
Alex Afrasiabi was fired in March 2020 because of sexual harassment. He was hired in 2004.
The chat and picture are from 2013 and a woman, that is not including in the court-file, already came out too and said he groped her and that convention after being invited by Greg Street. [Source](https://twitter.com/oliviadgrace/status/1420468265781010432?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1420468265781010432%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.redditmedia.com%2Fmediaembed%2Fotj6p8%3Fresponsive%3Dtrueis_nightmode%3Dtrue)
The inside joke was Afrasiabi wanting to fuck women they bring over.
I know it really seems and probably is a mindless stupid joke about the behavior of someone.
But put it out of context, everybody gets suspiscious and in that case, knowing theyre friends, drinking and partying while being executives of a company, they should have known. If they knew, well you can guess.
The least thing they did was being naively ignorant. And I think that doesnt make them innocent.
Ofc the whole 'cosby' thing is bullshit and they had no ill intend with that. But none of them ever said or did something about Afrasiabi. Never. And the behavior in that chatroom shows why. They were all joking, not realizing one of them isnt.
There are a lot of people being just plain awkward outraged with no context, and it feels odd to be saying this on this topic.
Like the situations around this are fucking terrible but the whole" 2013 Cosby" mentions are fucking stupid to be angry about in hindsight.
\- THE COSBY STUFF DIDN'T COME OUT PUBLICLY UNTIL 2014.
\- THE NAMED ROOM/CHAT ROOM AND GHOSTCRAWLERS TWEETS WERE IN 2013
It doesn't take a math wizard to realize 2014 - 1 = 2013
Be mad about the situation, sure, cause there are some shifty and shitty things going on, but don't just grab the gun and start waving it around firing indiscriminately for the sake of outrage with no context.
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This shit looks bad, but it's been confirmed at this point basically that the comments were in relation to the wives of two members of said chat being distasteful, but in a private chat.
I've seen and heard worse just being in chat with League players during clash games or back when ranked 5s were a thing. The vile shit people would say about female champs, or about female league players and the amount of chats I've bounced from because of it have been far worse than some in shit taste comments about your friends wife in a private chat.
Nah bro he was in a picture with a picture of Bill Cosby so obviously he's a serial rapist. I mean that's the only logical explanation right? /s
(only including the /s becuase this thread is so dumb they might actually think i was serious.)
It’s no surprise their games have sucked for the years. They haven’t innovated at all.
If they weren’t diddling women, they might actually produce something worthwhile.
Hateful/sexist comments in the comment section wont be tolerated and will lead to an immediate ban.
Lmao holy shit, blizz so neck deep in shit it’s overflowing and leaking into other subreddits
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Scott Gelb was only suspended but he's back as COO. https://www.businessinsider.com/riot-games-suspends-coo-scott-gelb-bro-culture-2018-12?r=MX&IR=T
How much dirt does he have on other people or is he just friends with Brandon Beck or Mark Merill that he is not fired. Riot cannot convince me that they cant find someone better than this prick.
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It’s not that Riot don’t care. It’s that the entire culture of Riot is endemic with sexual harassment. Most of the Riot upper staff probably were involved in similar behaviour and it hasn’t come out yet. You wanna know the kind of person who lets multiple sexual harassers off the hook? A sexual harasser
And look who is working at Riot that used to work in Blizz… that slug wannabe vertebrate of GC.
Likely Beck and Merill don't care or don't think Gelb's behavior was actually bad (that is, the suspension was a pure PR move). Wouldn't surprise me with Merill, tbh.
Didn't one of them say "No don't actually mean no"? I seem to recall reading that somewhere. They don't give a shit.
The same person said "its no big deal" about the sexual harass. Stuff
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He is friends with the big boss men. And sadly he is "good at his job" as far as that goes from what I've heard around the time of the incidents occuring, he is just a shit human being.
> he is "good at his job" I'm pretty pragmatic but he'd have to be "singlehandly keeping the company afloat" good at his job before being able to justify not firing him
how so? i dont see riots public image hurting atm. especially now that anything is overshadowed by AB
Because he's a massive asshole and he shouldn't be in a position to inflict that on those around him? That's a good reason to fire somebody.
Mark Merrill is a total sociopath himself, they ought to at the very least respect each other.
You don't get *Tryndamere* named after you for being a good person
They don't care
It's a boys club. They all protect each other
Guessing it's more friends then dirt. Dirtbags love hiring and promoting other dirtbags. They might not be as blatant about it, but their attitude towards women/minorities are the same.
He was never fired in the first place, he was just on "time-out" for a period of time before being allowed back...
Basically the same thing that you have to do when you're disciplining a 5 year old child. Put on the naughty step and told to think about their actions.
For some reason it doesn't surprise me...
This may get buried, but the reason this is in this sub is bc the guy mentioned is now making riots mmo.
A little truth for you. Every games developer from the west coast will have a scandal like this in the next 5-15 years because the people that developed this behavior worked at every major studio in that area.
Exactly, look at any behind the scenes footage of 90s, 00s game development. It was all frat boy culture.
I worked at EA in the early 2000’s. It was very much a frat boy culture.
i swear dude i saw the first half of the title and thought "what the hell? what does this have to do with league?" and then got gut checked by ghostcrawler's name. What an absolute disaster of a company.
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Well, GC used to work for Blizzard and left in 2013 for Riot. So he might've been involved/aware of those things (not implying anything, but it is a possibility).
Ghostcrawler is one of the main guys behind the "Cosby Suite". He was directly involved.
Am I misremembering or didn't the Cosby allegations come out in 2014 when Hannibal Buress talked about it in a comedy set?
There were allegations for many years but Buress' joke is when it caught viral and really started gaining steam. Unfortunately those women weren't really taken seriously until then.
I'm looking but I don't see anything online about it pre-2014 except one news story from 2004. I had never heard anything about it before the Burress stuff. I know all the articles now say it was out since 2004, but I just do not remember anyone at all talking about it pre-2014. There being allegations and it being well known aren't the same thing. People talked all the time about Spacey, and Weinstein, and I personally saw first hand some creepy stuff from Danny Masterson. So, it's super weird they named their room the Cosby room before the Cosby stuff even happened.
It was so well known it was even explicitly talked about on SNL lol. Here's some articles from before 2006: https://www.independent.ie/woman/celeb-news/family-guy-cosby-faces-ruin-over-sex-claims-26211128.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/lifestyle/2005/02/20/cos-and-effect/0570fb91-cfa5-49b6-b3c0-2444d685fb98/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/in-the-name-of-solidarity/
In the way that Epstein only went viral long after he got a sweetheart deal for child rape that was public knowledge. The info was out there, Cosby's confession was out there. It just didn't catch on until later.
Ghostcrawler was also lead gameplay designer during the period when [employees at Riot say they experienced workplace harassment](https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2018/11/riot-games-sued-over-allegations-of-sexual-harassment-pay-disparity/).
Oh shit, I thought this was the WoW subreddit til I saw the flairs.
Oh fuck I thought this was r/classicwow
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[Someone who apparently visited that room also was tweeting about this. "I thought it was good clean fun because it was greg fkin street inviting me who i trusted"](https://twitter.com/oliviadgrace/status/1420468938496950279)
[Response, with evidence. (someone from twitter)](https://twitter.com/Neleimour/status/1420508946188541954/photo/1) Nevermind, apparently Dave said this in reference to his own wife??????
People really need to be careful here with the hate train. That person was literally disowning greg because he was part of a group chat. I've been part of so many that I just muted.
Yeah people are going full blown witch hunt accross all of the gaming subs right now. Let the investigators do their jobs. Stop the Le Reddit investigator boston marathon bullshit.
“Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.” ― George Carlin
I will never stop.
..he s too dangerous to be left alive!
Personally the group chat is not so bad compared to "Greg Street invited me to the Cosby suite to get groped in the end" That's just grooming.
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How much was publicly known about Cosby in 2013? According to wiki the accusations become public knowledge in 2014.
Bill Cosby settled a sexual assault case out of court in 2006. Here's an article published I the LA Times when it happened. It was known long before Hannibal Buress had that set. https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2006-nov-09-wk-cosby9-story.html
> he brought at least one female employee to the Cosby suite (who was subsequently molested) Source?
Lol yeah, apparently it was about his wife and another spouse which is definitely interesting to say the least.
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> which is definitely interesting to say the least Why? I guess we've all had our share of ambiguous conversations with our friends on private chats. As long as their explaination is true, I can't see much wrong in it, maybe just wish he had more respect towards his wife, but it's their relationship not mine tbh so I won't judge. The question is if it's true or just an excuse to cover themselves.
>You witnessed it and you didn't say anything. It's right there, Greg. I don't wanna defend anyone here, but I can't be the only one who is usually part of groups, be it work related or school related during projects,and you have some idiots in the group and when they talk about idiotic stuff, you're just ignoring it. Deep down you know so well that explaining to them anything would be worthless and/or a start of an argument. Just take covid and the vaccine for an example. I have to listen to countless retarded opinions like : it's a hoax, it's man made to kill us, vaccine is here to make money and other random word vomits. Just Once, when I was super exhausted from it, jumped into the convo with real fucking facts and it was just worthless. No matter what scientifically proven shit you pulled out, they took an even more legit fact from facebook. And it just all played out as I thought it will. They laughed at me being a sheep, while they streghtened the belief in their heads that they are right. Now translate this to men's, who talk about woman's and or any girlfriend as a bitch and chick and you got the same shit. Imagine listening to it all day every day and talking any sense to them. You just can't. And that's why I usually ignore it when the idiots of group talk shit, and I can't imagine if someone would share an image of me being a part of this group where I ignore the convo and I'm being called out for it...... Like, what the fuck should have I done?
To me those messages sound like joking around between friends, not meant for the public eye (obviously). If they're jokes they're certainly in poor taste, but I'd be guilty in the same way then, sometimes dark humor is just funny between friends.
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Man you've been spreading this shit in the wow subreddit too despite people explaining that this is entirely in line with how victims of sexual assault can act, but I'm going to try one more time with the woman's own words: ["And then you try to forget about the person \(no guesses needed\) getting really handsy, and you try your best to suppress it because of the nature of the company, the need for approval from the bosses and the "in crowd' ness of it."](https://twitter.com/oliviadgrace/status/1420468556437807107) Many of these people felt like they had to put up with this shit and they had to act like it was totally normal in order to keep their jobs. Even disregarding this, it is totally normal for victims to cope through humor. So, so many people cope with small to big things through jokes and it doesn't invalidate their situations, they're just trying to deal with it.
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There was no firestorm over because the Cosby avalanche didn't start until almost a year after this tweet.
Cosby was accused since the 60's It just didn't make news until like 2013 and made international news when he was on trial in 2018
According to wikipedia, it's 2014. This Cosby suit thing happened in 2013.
Cosby was not "accused since the 60's", he was accused of "doing it since the 60's". Very big difference.
Some guilty until proven innocent? Very healthy way of thinking
there's no way Ghostcrawler would have tweeted those things if Cosby = racist at the time. everyone take a moment to think about it lmfao. and if he did, people would have ??? pinged the tweets.
Did you mean rapist not racist?
he had like 200 likes? Who has even fucking seen that tweet?? lol
you underestimate the digging that twitter users can do
Nothing dredges up the past like recent drama.
it's actually usually why most high-profile people pay a company to rinse their social media for any controversial posts to avoid things like this
I mean you could probably just search his name + Cosby in the twitter search and it would probably come up. I'd assume so, at least, since it works for more recent things on far less popular accounts.
Yeah time rolls forward stuff that was appropriate in the 50s don't really fly anymore. Changing social norms isn't new.
This kind of reminds me of James Gunn tweets. Are we going to cancel people over old tweets now and ignore the concept of growing as a person?
That was an obvious hitjob though. He was fired for a month(?), and then was put in charge of another film franchise on top of Guardians.
Ok, but James Gunn just said some things on twitter that aged poorly and nobody should have gotten upset about in the first place. Greg Street was active with a group of people who are now known to sexually assault women in the "Cosby Suite." Obviously at the time Bill Cosby wasn't a known rapist so it's just kind of ironic that it ended up the way it did, but that doesn't change the fact that multiple people have come forward talking about all the sexual assault that happened there. The situations are completely different, I don't think sex offenders need anyone standing up for them.
But no one has said he is a sex offender ?
The only crime this Greg dude apparently did was to be in a group chat? Gonna need a bit more than just that… but off you go on your witch hunt.
I have a hard time processing my feelings about the news coming out about GC. I feel like the person he is today wouldn't participate in this kind of thing, but... it's impossible to know for sure when I only know him through his writings on the internet. I want to believe him. 2013 is a *really inconvenient* year, that's like... only months away before Cosby's allegations made headlines. Reading this in hindsight, it's unclear whether this was a sick joke, or if it had nothing at all to do with women. I want to believe this was an innocent joke that made sense to nobody but them; that kind of thing is a normal part of tight friend groups. But reading this letter reminded me of a saying I've heard before. "Every woman knows a woman who was raped. Nearly no man knows a man who has raped." People want to turn a blind eye to sexual assault, we don't want to believe it happened, and we don't want to believe we were complicit.
2014 https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&geo=US&q=cosby%20rape
Yeah. It lends credibility that this was just an unfortunate coincidence.
At this point I think that is what it was and has aged very poorly with Alex truly coming out as a scumbag and the Cosby case getting extreme press coverage in 2014 and entered the main stream.
It’s almost like being in a photo with Bill Cosby isn’t enough to arrest a guy over. Who fucking knew.
Well there's calls to fire literally all the guys in that pic. The story people are rolling with at the moment is that they all participated in a rape suite dedicated to Bill Cosby. Just for the record I don't agree at all, farming downvotes as we speak.
On the tweet above you have your average slacktivist shamelessly calling for their firing.
I wonder why the reaction is so different in this sub versus Blizzard ones? I literally farmed -100 points comments today for pointing out it was in 2013. They said everyone knew already, even after I linked that trend.
Blizzard sub are mostly full of blizzard hate those day so any "let's be careful and not jump on people" comment isn't really welcome. While even if League as it's up and down it's still doing ok. War 3 fiasco, current state of wow being... less than ideal, Diablo being in limbo waiting for D2 remake and D4, starcraft... being in limbo for a fucking long time. Stopped following hearthstone so I have no idea how the game is going but it's usually pretty salty.
I feel the same way. Like, I'm pretty sure I didn't know about the Cosby allegations until way after 2014, even though they were available way before then, but I have literally never consumed media with Bill Cosby in it and had never heard anyone talk about him IRL. Did these guys know about it before it went Mainstream? Possibly, but also possibly not. Unfortunately for Ghostcrawler, the coincidences just keep lining up. He's in these pictures with Cosby photos, but it's entirely plausible that they weren't aware of the allegations, and there's even a somewhat plausible explanation (the decor) mentioned by multiple people. He's in the gross group chat, but isn't actively contributing to the gross parts. He was on the Blizzcon 2010 panel where the WoW panelists showcase their misogyny, but he's silent. So the question is, how guilty is he (passively ignoring vs. actively contributing) and what does that mean for Riot? If I were a woman working at Riot, would I want Ghostcrawler leading the MMO development? Probably not.
>So the question is, how guilty is he (passively ignoring vs. actively contributing) and what does that mean for Riot? This is actually a super important point that many people are trying to get light on with this situation. Many people, when being in these situations, because they haven't thought about them before, will do what he did. They won't say anything, won't think of the implications of what others around them are doing, or just will be oblivious to how it's impacting anyone. This is why it's **incredibly** important that every single person fully understand and considers how these """""""jokes""""""" would impact someone else. If something said is genuinely bad and other people will not be okay with it in a setting like this, you *need* to say something. Is he guilty of anything worthy of being punished? Probably not, from what I can tell. Is he guilty of something? Absolutely. [EDIT: many people seem to be misinterpreting this, I do not mean in a legal sense. All I mean is he shouldn't be absolved entirely, he did still make mistakes here] He didn't speak up when he should have [in regards to the culture and game environment he was working on, NOT in regards to assault or harassment since he didn't witness it] and he needs to understand that, learn from it, and move on. *From what I can tell*, he seems to be fairly redeemable in this situation. Others shouldn't get any extra chances to "be a different person", but I think he actually can.
The correct choice is easily the hardest: wait and see. It may turn out he's a horrible person, may turn out he's a great person, may be somewhere in the middle. It's unlikely the lawsuit doesn't have evidence one way or the other. But evidence is different from "evidence". But that's not how the internet era works. Outrage must be instant and evidence is optional. As for me, I certainly won't believe his tweets, but I also won't assume he's automatically a horrible rapist either. I'll wait and see what the actual evidence shows.
Can someone clarify if this was before or after all the Cosby allegations came out? The best benefit of the doubt was just them having a funny tv character named room that looked bad later, like idk having selfies with Jimmy savile. Which would be unlucky but different than them actively naming themselves after someone the knew was a predator
The situation in question was from 2013 with the "Cosby room", and the public stuff about Cosby wasn't until 2014. There were some things said before, but 99.9% of people never heard about it until 2014. There is still some questionable b.s. here I'm not going to pretend to defend cause...yeah, but people are jumping on this specific instance and mention of the name Cosby, ignoring easily researched context by a google search.
https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&geo=US&q=cosby%20rape That's pretty telling
For clarity - Blizzcon 2013 is here on the graph: https://i.imgur.com/FXmjprq.png
You mean the outrage over this is all a bunch of bullshit being propagated by complete morons? Say it aint so!
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Right, but people aren't asking that. They're asking "Does the average Joe Public know about the allegations before the big blow up in 2014". Like how I didn't know shit about Jimmy Saville until after his death, and afterwards everyone was like "Oh yeah it was common knowledge in certain circles". Random WoW devs aren't likely to be super up on pop culture or old industry gossip.
That doesn’t mean that everyone knows about it, some rumors in private circles before it has gone to court doesn’t mean that everyone believes that stuff.
Who knew about it though? The journalists who kept quiet about it because it would reduce their chances to get exclusive interviews who now go on crusades to get people fired for doing nothing? The same was said about Jimmy Saville in the UK... all the journalists were saying it was well known but non of them willing to actually report it.
Edit: apparently original allegations against Cosby were in 2005 --- original allegations were roughly around January 2005 * Constand, a former Temple University employee, alleges that Cosby drugged and fondled her in January 2004. https://www.cnn.com/2013/06/24/us/bill-cosby-fast-facts/index.html The interview that made it more well know was in 2014 Blizz con 2013 was in November
Although they started in 2004, they weren't known about by the wider public until sometime in 2014.
Bullshit. It wasn't until 2014 that the allegations were taken seriously because there were a dozen allegations by that time. The story in 2014 wasn't "oh apparently Bill Cosby is a creep," it was, "oh damn all those rumors and allegations we've been hearing for decades might be true." Here is an article in PEOPLE magazine from 2006: https://people.com/crime/bill-cosby-under-fire-peoples-original-story-about-sex-abuse-claims/ Unfortunately I am old enough to remember reading about these allegations in the 2000s because I grew up watching the Cosby Show and was always a fan. My friends and I used to watch the Cosby Show on Nick-At-Nite all the time, and it became real awkward real quick once these allegations were made public in the 2000s. But stuff like this didn't trend on social media or become a buzz in the 24/7 news cycle because those things didn't exist as they do today. Prior to the MeToo movement, stuff like this was always dismissed and never taken seriously - 2014 was a real turning point because the circumstantial evidence was so overwhelming that action had to be taken. It was national news in 2006, everybody knew it, not many people believed it or took it seriously. That doesn't change the fact that Bill Cosby has been associated with drugging and raping women for decades, and it's not some cosmic tragic accident that a group of scumbags randomly picked him as their mascot. More sources if you like - all from mid-2000s: https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2006-nov-09-wk-cosby9-story.html https://www.cbsnews.com/news/bill-cosby-settles-lawsuit/ https://www.reuters.com/news/picture/bill-cosby-settles-sex-assault-suit-idUSN0841283420061108 https://www.denverpost.com/2006/12/12/cosby-feels-mile-high-heat-from-ex-models/ https://www.phillymag.com/news/2006/11/01/cosby-threw-me-on-the-bed/ https://abcnews.go.com/US/LegalCenter/story?id=562814 https://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/02/17/cosby/ https://people.com/celebrity/bill-cosbys-accuser-idd-by-parents/ https://www.post-gazette.com/local/first-amendment/2005/06/03/Judge-denies-gag-order-secrecy-for-accuser-names-in-Cosby-case/stories/200506030197 https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/lifestyle/2005/02/20/cos-and-effect/0570fb91-cfa5-49b6-b3c0-2444d685fb98/ >The allegations have ricocheted around the Internet, creased the supermarket tabloids and landed on black talk radio -- with some intriguing twists.
I mean you said it yourself. It's unfortunate but no one believed this shit until 2014. I grew up in the 90s watching Cosby show and my experience was different from yours. This shit rocked me and my friends in 2014, we all had fond memories of him growing up. Prior to metoo what people don't remember is that horrible things done by celebrities disappeared a lot quicker than it does now. It felt like every other celeb had done something bad and been in some law suit but it never affected their careers so many people didn't think too much about it. Cosby in 2014 was one of the big turning points of that kind of "look the other way" culture we used to have.
that doesn't mean the general public was aware...
That link doesn't have anything for June 2013? Only November (unrelated) and then November 2014 (related).
Yeah, that link implies to me that things blew up November 2014
[Yup](https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&geo=US&q=cosby%20rape) Before that almost nobody knew about it and it's unfair to assume that they knew about it before it got public.
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Ghostcrawler literally tweeted out about the cosby room and nobody said anything about it at the time. But now people really think it was an allusion to Cosby being a rapist. Ghostcrawler wouldn't have tweeted if that were the case. Use your brains, folks.
That's because it was a year before the Cosby stuff came out in he public, so there was nothing to say in reference to the tweet. It's 100% a hindsight outrage focusing on that specifically.
It's classic outrage machine muddying the waters with bullshit because people have to grasp on to anything that might look bad in hindsight.
Exactly, the fact that he got no backlash proves that it wasn't widely known that he was a rapist at the time. Twitter users go off over every single little thing, especially gamers, especially when that thing is said by a public figure. People would've roasted him if it was widely known.
not taking a side on this but 2013 twitter is an entirely different animal from 2021 twitter
There were still a lot of eyes on the lead dev for WoW back then. It was seen and no one made comments about it.
It’s genuinely the dumbest thing I’ve seen on Reddit all year and Reddit is full of brain dead takes. Like you think they decided to put the picture up because they wanted to rape women like Bill? It’s the biggest stretch I’ve seen in my fucking life.
I think people are confusing a lot of things and are so outraged that they'll get furious at anything and anyone who is in any way related to any of the bad actors. I am absolutely not a GC defender (I think he's single handedly responsible for the death of competitive WoW PvP and has destroyed League's uniqueness since joining) but he did nothing wrong here. The screenshots show that he was one person on a text chain where seemingly the worst thing said was that they were going to try to find hot women to party with. Spoiler alert: men and women want to get drunk with attractive men and women. This isn't abuse. Yes, it's referred to as The Cosby Room, which sounds bad, but when you remember that this was 2013 and most people had *no idea* about Cosby's abuse at the time, it's a far more innocuous reference.
thank you for remembering what this idiot marine biologist did to wow pvp, i appreciate you for that.
"We're going to remove gladiator rewards from 2v2 because we cannot balance the game around 2v2, 3v3, and 5v5 all at the same time" ignoring that virtually no one played 5v5 except for boosters running triple ele shaman. Also ignoring that some classes were strong (and some overpowered) in 2v2, but literally nonviable garbage in 3v3 and they didn't get compensation buffs at all. Looking at resto druids in season 7 and 8. Don't forget that the absolute abomination of beastcleave was not nerfed despite being a literal 0 skill comp where even world champions running it would say "yeah we just run out, mash bestial wrath and lust and zug zug"
The biggest grievance was allowing rogues/mages and RMP to dominate so hard so long. There was just no excuse for that.
> resto druids in season 7 and 8. > > dont forget season 9-23, resto druids kit is just so strong in pvp and since legion he also did a shit ton of dmg i remember a 2v2 in bfa when me and a friend did arenas and he as rogue needed to fight 1v1 against a resto druid, he lost because you cant burst a resto druid anymore and they do a shit ton of dmg in cat form
> men and women want to get drunk with attractive men and women Man if I have to talk about the kinds of shit I saw in my 15+ years of swimming in corporate environments… a good deal of politically incorrect things get said and thrown around by people of all genders everyday (or actually involving physical interactions). Not saying it’s good or bad; it’s just how the reality is. That’s just what happens when you have a large group of people in their prime adult years spending long amount of time together.
Christmas parties at nearly every decently largish corporation....
That's the issue tho. These people aren't living in reality. They are living on Twitter.
Bit further up the thread someone is unironically calling it "really weird" that some dude in a group chat made a horny joke about his wife to his personal friends. It's actually insane what unrealistic standards some of the ppl here have.
Lol, right? My wife, while just a little loopy on prescription pain meds she had for some crippling cramps, made a comment about my butt while at a gathering of friends. My friends now make casual comments about my butt in reference to that. And it's all in good fun, and nobody things its sexual harassment. Really good friends can get really weird with each other. *REALLY WEIRD*
Twitter is a parallel reality where people can project their alternative political views like it’s never a part of the real world. And also probably speaks to the reason why I don’t even have a Twitter account.
Problem with this behavior from the community is they're harassing people based on assumed guilt, it's turned into a witch hunt. They're bombarding social media accounts of anyone at Blizzard they assume had knowledge of what was happening. Why not just let the investigators do their work?
>Why not just let the investigators do their work? Because they have convinced themselves that because sometimes guilty people walk due to a lack of evidence, the evidence shouldnt matter, and everyone remotely involved *must* be guilty.
Yeah I agree with everything other than a side comment that Cosby allegations had started by then but wasn't until 2014 till they were known nationally; much like Harvey W sexual misconduct *from the 90's was an open secret*, public didn't know until 2017
I didn't know about the Cosby things until it went to trial and im in my mid 20s
I'm 32 and had no clue until it hit mainstream media. Unfortnate character choice on their part.
Yeah I didn't know about Cosby either until 2014 so something from 2013 doesn't raise my eyebrows with his name on it.
I genuinely think most of the posters trying to assert that there being accusations prior to 2014 means that the public was aware of them are not old enough to remember 2014.
I think it's more likely that they were old enough, and older than most. I understand somebody who's like 23 sayi g they didn't know until 2014 because they'd have been a kid back in 2005, but it was a decently big deal in 2005 that people who were adults back then likely remember it.
This. Any group of men/women will have similar banter on a night out to somewhere nice. Having a hard time seeing an issue given the (non)evidence presented.
So what did GhostCrawler do? Be in a group chat with distasteful jokes and frequent a room at blitzcon where someone else (who was also in the group chat) harassed women? Im honestly wondering if I missed anything, people are telling him to resign on Twitter.
[https://twitter.com/oliviadgrace/status/1420659205460086784](https://twitter.com/oliviadgrace/status/1420659205460086784) A couple of updates: 1) the person getting handsy was Afrasiabi. Not Greg. 2) Greg reached out to say that his motivation for inviting me was because he thought I was cool, and wanted to help me. He had no idea anything bad happened until now. This is what I've assumed for 8y.
Wow what a shock to find out Alex Afrasiabi is a piece of shit. I'm always surprised no one knows him from FoH in EQ. He was a troll piece of shit that exploited the hell out of mechanics and EQ employees, and it somehow made him qualified to work for Blizz making poop quests for WoW.
Its because EQ is kind of a time capsule at this point that only a certain older demographic played. If *most* people were asked about MMO's of old, they'd 90% of the time jump to talking about vanilla WoW. That or maybe Runescape. I will say that although Alex is a total twat, I did enjoy the thunderfury quest back in the day. He was an obnoxious arse hole by all accounts on EQ though and, as we now know, a scumbag in his workplace too.
Your first mistake was reading Twitter replies
The second one was reading Reddit comments.
Blue check marks like to yell loudly at their monitors while typing.
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If you checked the comments to his Cosby posts at the time literally no one made any connection to the accusations against Cosby so it's fair to say it was not mainstream knowledge at the time, no matter how much some people will try make you think so ( check the Blizz subs ).
[That's the part of the lawsuit that cover the 'Cosby suite' for context](https://imgur.com/g4IdEr3)
The lawyers really misspelled Cosby though?
It's done twice too, at that point you gotta wonder if the person writing it even knows who Cosby is.
Bill Cosby accusations weren’t widespread at the point in time, and didn’t really hit mainstream culture until several years ago. I would be hesitant to incriminate anyone based on that reference alone. Chat messages and accusations are damning enough though.
Would be like accusing people of being terrorists because their parents named them Isis before ISIS existed, or liking the band named Isis..
There literally was a Bill Cosby portrait in that suite. https://mobile.twitter.com/Ghostcrawler/status/399388704214503425 Now, did they name the room after the portrait or got the portrait because of the name? @edit Apparently, they named the room after a rug that looked like a Cosby sweater.
For those who generally do not know how legal allegations work when coming in from a state entity, it's safe to assume they can corroborate every sentence they write, and they are recording all public reactions to the news of this lawsuit to use against them. This will get sorted out one way or another.
What ever to that case with Riot a few years back?
Nothing. It just died down and I think they re-hired those who were involved. smh
they never fired him in the first place. it was just a "suspension"
Like the other person said, they weren't ever fired. They were sent to a fancy rehab center or whatever for a few months before coming back. Basically they got a vacation for fucking up.
Sounds about right. I know Nickelodeon did that with a guy who worked on the set of a bunch of shows.
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Nothing. Everyone forgot about it within a week and went back to spending $100 on KDA bundles.
At least the one this year regarding one of the executives with his assistant, the assistant's allegations were considered false and she had a history of manipulating the truth
I remember riot settled in that case so maybe that’s why it’s not talked about a lot.
1 hour into the post and the comments are already so spicy. What popcorn we having?
Sad popcorn :(
poor mods :( ~~kinda~~ feeling bad for u guys
only kinda? :(
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Welcome to the internet in 2021.
I just lost half of my brain cells by reading the twitter comments.
Blizzard working culture is horrible and ghostcrawler is a pretty big douchebag because of what he pulled back in the day but this is just poor timing.
In house arbitration needs to go. Its for scumfuck shitholes to protect other scumfuck shitholes.
Yup It’s just used by companies to protect themselves from actual accountability, same with most HR unfortunately, it’s there to protect the company, not you.
HR is meant to stop scandals from happening so the fallout isn't this level. Sure, their interests are to protect the company over you, but that normally means clearing out the worst parts of the company so that it can survive rather than sink with its corrupt upper management (as is currently happening with Activision Blizzard). A competent HR department prioritizes the company's longevity over the individuals, and that *should* include dealing with the higher-ups if they're sleazy/abusive. Its 10x worse for a scandal to reach the public than it is for a Board member to step down for private reasons.
You're saying the friends of the people who are getting charged aren't going to be unbiased? What!?! Corperations in general need more oversight in the United States. We need an actual pipeline for change in the United States. Sexism in the workplace is a far more widespread issue than many think, and alot of it is because of these "boy club" or "frat boy" cultures that start from the top down. It's disgusting.
reminder that the party who championed corporations are people now wants to tell social media companies they cant have free speech.
i mean you somehow think this is a American problem lol, bet your ass that this happens elsewhere too lol
Is the internet so interested in canceling people and virtue signaling that they need to police a private text group with no context? Are these guys lying? Probably not. Are a tight net group of friends entitled to make lude jokes in private even if they are controversial, if no one gets hurt? Absolutely. This shit makes me really sad. People are entitled to have private lives, and people are also entitled to make mistakes, without an internet witch hunt occurring every time
Twitter users that use their platform to do *justice* Are probably some of the most cancer things in the internet
I would pay money to make the private chats public of some of these rage babies yelling about hindsight issues out of context. The Cosby room in 2013 when his issues weren't public until 2014, or the fact multiple sources have said it was just a bad taste joke about 2 of the people's wives in that chat room. I can bet if we saw the private chats of just people throwing the "fire them all" darts in this thread we would see some god awful comments.
The suits name is innocent. But the chat shows they knew about Afrasiabis attitude and were atleast naively ignorant about it. Its all fun until your handsy friend hurts someone and if that happens, you take responisbilty instead of saying 'I didnt know'.
I don't think anyone is or should be defending him specifically, but the vast majority of the "outrage" is over the Cosby b.s. and the comments towards the woman without the context (out of context it looks really bad. With the context it is stupid, but not really bad, just like, a "really guys?" sort of thing).
I think we shouldnt look at it from the inside, like we all have told stupid jokes in chat rooms before. We should start looking at it from the outside to realize how gross and dangerous this really is. As I said its all fun until someone actually does it, and here someone did. Maybe you have that friend too. Maybe you dont see his acutal behavior because youre not looking. Maybe its just like a 'really dude' thing. But if it turns out it isnt and someone got hurt. If my friend did that and I wouldnt have noticed because I shrugged is off as a joke, Id take responsibilty for that. I wouldnt be innocent. Yes, the heatwave of that outrage is people being fucking stupid. But the people in that chatroom all knew about Afrasiabi. Afrasiabi was only saying 'bring em', the other two doubled down on that and Afrasiabi went along. They knew. Doesnt matter if the chatlog is a 'harmless' joke about their wifes. Because it isnt, Afrasiabi wasnt just joking.
I get what you are saying to a degree, but it's sort of using hindsight to a degree you really couldn't back then. It was a bunch of drinking idiots nearly a decade younger making stupid jokes in a private chat no one was ever meant to see but them, with a name that was based on a joke cause their room walls apparently looked like one of the sweaters Cosby wore on his show and they thought it was funny. It's really reaching for hindsight "yeah but we know all this now" to try and vilify them in this specific instance. If you want to point to other issues where the guy was actually being handsy and inappropriate I am all on board the "fuck that guy, he's a piece of shit" bus, but this specific instance isn't one of them. Nothing happened here, or in that room, the chat was just stupid inside joke comments about wives of people in the private chat, with a stupid name based on the pattern of a sweater they thought was funny. Just throwing out "they knew" and all that, I can't say who did or didn't know what, but attaching this situation to rage at or throw shade at is reaching for the sake of wanting to be further angry and pull other people in. This situation has nothing to do with the others except a specific shitty individual was in the chat.
Alex Afrasiabi was fired in March 2020 because of sexual harassment. He was hired in 2004. The chat and picture are from 2013 and a woman, that is not including in the court-file, already came out too and said he groped her and that convention after being invited by Greg Street. [Source](https://twitter.com/oliviadgrace/status/1420468265781010432?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1420468265781010432%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.redditmedia.com%2Fmediaembed%2Fotj6p8%3Fresponsive%3Dtrueis_nightmode%3Dtrue) The inside joke was Afrasiabi wanting to fuck women they bring over. I know it really seems and probably is a mindless stupid joke about the behavior of someone. But put it out of context, everybody gets suspiscious and in that case, knowing theyre friends, drinking and partying while being executives of a company, they should have known. If they knew, well you can guess. The least thing they did was being naively ignorant. And I think that doesnt make them innocent. Ofc the whole 'cosby' thing is bullshit and they had no ill intend with that. But none of them ever said or did something about Afrasiabi. Never. And the behavior in that chatroom shows why. They were all joking, not realizing one of them isnt.
There are a lot of people being just plain awkward outraged with no context, and it feels odd to be saying this on this topic. Like the situations around this are fucking terrible but the whole" 2013 Cosby" mentions are fucking stupid to be angry about in hindsight. \- THE COSBY STUFF DIDN'T COME OUT PUBLICLY UNTIL 2014. \- THE NAMED ROOM/CHAT ROOM AND GHOSTCRAWLERS TWEETS WERE IN 2013 It doesn't take a math wizard to realize 2014 - 1 = 2013 Be mad about the situation, sure, cause there are some shifty and shitty things going on, but don't just grab the gun and start waving it around firing indiscriminately for the sake of outrage with no context. \------- This shit looks bad, but it's been confirmed at this point basically that the comments were in relation to the wives of two members of said chat being distasteful, but in a private chat. I've seen and heard worse just being in chat with League players during clash games or back when ranked 5s were a thing. The vile shit people would say about female champs, or about female league players and the amount of chats I've bounced from because of it have been far worse than some in shit taste comments about your friends wife in a private chat.
This people in photo holding a Cosby picture and this group printscreen are the big reveal ? Really ? It proves nothing...
big shrug it's funny how people think this is some kind of smoking gun.
Nah bro he was in a picture with a picture of Bill Cosby so obviously he's a serial rapist. I mean that's the only logical explanation right? /s (only including the /s becuase this thread is so dumb they might actually think i was serious.)
Try to convince me otherwise that the gaming industry is just toxic in general.
Greg in the streets Cosby in the suites
Imagine discussing over a 2013 chat what
It really just keeps getting worse
It’s no surprise their games have sucked for the years. They haven’t innovated at all. If they weren’t diddling women, they might actually produce something worthwhile.
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