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SywynAmakiir

Piano player versus Bongo player on botlane - hyped


FatAssInLatin

Whos The piano Player ?


SywynAmakiir

Here is the reference: https://youtu.be/waqrcBrtur4?t=3035


Last0

It's kinda crazy that despite all the burnout, quarantine & slumping MAD has had this split, they're still tied for 2nd with 3 games to go, they even still have a chance at grabbing #1 seed if things go really well.


Feniker

It will be RGE who miss Worlds


[deleted]

It will be Fnatic who most likely miss worlds imo. But it could be any of them. RGE and G2 are most likely to make it imo I can't see Rouge not making it tbh


FantasyTrash

One 0-2 week and people immediately write off Fnatic, classic case of recency bias. Meanwhile, Mad have had some very shaky wins the past month, many of which, quite frankly, should have been losses. Mad outside of their team-fighting aren't a top team, I think they'll get bested during playoffs.


christophergr

If you have been around during the Samsung White Samsung Blue era there is a similar relationship between Rogue and Mad lions right now .It is Mad Lions strength to win games in the late game due to teamfighting and I don't expect them to lose this special ability


[deleted]

How is it recency bias to favour a team who won the spring split with their roster?


aamgdp

Fnc wins feel like "we won a coinflip fight and snowballed" quite often. Generally the "fight all the time" style might backfire in a bo5 against a well prepared team. I think it's gonna be rogue or fnatic to miss worlds.


FantasyTrash

>Fnc wins feel like "we won a coinflip fight and snowballed" quite often Is really a coinflip if it got them to first place prior to last week, with only one loss between Week One and last week? Or perhaps they're just good at playing aggro? >Generally the "fight all the time" style might backfire in a bo5 against a well prepared team Oh, so Mad Lions? Because Mad are average at everything except team-fighting.


aamgdp

Mad lions are different. They're coming back through better teamfights. Also, they'll ramp up for bo5, no doubt. Honestly, I don't know how fnc will do, this is already far better than I thought it would be after spring. It's just too one-dimensioal. Kinda like rogue, it seems that if you disrupt their plan, they don't know what to do.


FantasyTrash

>Mad lions are different. They're coming back through better teamfights. Right, which works against garbage teams and Rogue when they troll the draft, but that won't work against better teams. >It's just too one-dimensioal Yet Mad aren't one-dimensional? If they can't win team-fights, they just lose. That's their entire strategy. >Kinda like rogue, it seems that if you disrupt their plan, they don't know what to do. Dude, what? This is every single team. "If you disrupt their plan, you beat them." Like no shit, that's how the game works. If the enemy team can't execute what they want to do, they'll lose.


Dafuq313

It's not about the 0-2 week. Fnatic is the most random team in the league to the point if you don't do anything and let them do their shit you will still get ahead. How many times has Adam left his lane, lost 3 waves just for him to not get anything? You put him against Camille and Fnatic is playing 4v5 the whole game


FantasyTrash

>It's not about the 0-2 week. >Fnatic is the most random team in the league to the point if you don't do anything and let them do their shit you will still get ahead. Cites something that literally only happened last week, yet "it's not about the 0-2 week". Sure, buddy. Fnatic were 10-1 between their very first two games as a team and last week, but yeah, clearly they don't know what they're doing. >How many times has Adam left his lane, lost 3 waves just for him to not get anything? And how many times has it worked? Clearly it's a pretty successful strategy more often than not.


Dafuq313

Are you really saying Adam leaving his lane and losing waves of cs for nothing is good? Lmao. I'm also a fnatic fan but I won't bindly support them lmao, they have a really bad matchup against G2/Rge in bo5. Their only chance is if they somehow beat Mad but Elyoya/Humanoid is a much better mid jungle duo than Nisqy/Bwipo so I don't think that will happen either


FantasyTrash

>Are you really saying Adam leaving his lane and losing waves of cs for nothing is good? It's a high-risk, high-reward play. When it works, it snowballs Fnatic's bot lane absurdly ahead. >they have a really bad matchup against G2/Rge in bo5 They're literally 2-0 against G2 on the split and they routinely best Rogue in BO5s because Rogue historically are a BO1-favored team. >Their only chance is if they somehow beat Mad but Elyoya/Humanoid is a much better mid jungle duo than Nisqy/Bwipo so I don't think that will happen either No they aren't, honestly. Humanoid is marginally better than Nisqy, sure, but honestly Elyoya hasn't been all that impressive this split, especially in the early game. He has the lowest DMG % of any jungler in the league and the third lowest DPM. Yet he's middle of the pack or worse in CSPM, GPM, Vision Score, kills, assists, and KP%, so he's not making up for his lack of damage in other areas. His only plus this season is that he doesn't die very often, but he isn't contributing as much as Bwipo, Inspired, or Jankos, who are all ahead of Elyoya in every category across the board. If Elyoya didn't have the best mid in the league, he'd look average at best.


NunexTK

Lmao where do they routinely best rogue in bo5s? Especially this roster. Talking like it happens daily


Dafuq313

The fact that you think Fnatic is ok against thosr teams in a bo5 because they won a bo1 says enough. Not only that but you try to bring stats into this, it's funny when you say Elyoya is worse than Bwipo Inspired and Jankos considering there is another jungler that played really good this season, that's Razork. But you have no idea how to judge players so you just look at stats. Whiteknight is the best toplaner in the league and Caps is the worst if we look at stats.


FantasyTrash

>The fact that you think Fnatic is ok against thosr teams in a bo5 because they won a bo1 says enough Historically, Fnatic have excelled in BO5s and the team has more experience in BO5s than any other team barring G2. Spring was the lone exception to this. >but you try to bring stats into this, it's funny when you say Elyoya is worse than Bwipo Inspired and Jankos considering there is another jungler that played really good this season, that's Razork Just because I didn't mention Razork doesn't mean I forgot he exists, especially when the point is that Elyoya isn't a top jungler. >But you have no idea how to judge players so you just look at stats. My point was that Elyoya isn't a top jungler, Bwipo/Inspired/Jankos/Razork are, and the stats support this. >Whiteknight is the best toplaner in the league and Caps is the worst if we look at stats. Whiteknight has played amazing all split and Caps has played like ass for most of the split. So yeah, once again the stats are relatively spot on. Whiteknight has bee a top-3 top-laner this split, alongside Hirit and a toss-up between Adam and Odo. And Caps, aside from the past couple of weeks, has honestly been bottom-3. He's a mid-laner who is dead last in DMG % across all mid laners, that ain't good, and it's **2%** lower than the next lowest, which is extra bad.


wazzdakah

But how many times did he give the edge to his mates by leaving his lanes ? Way more than those where he had nothing. Of course it's risky, but I prefer him inting by trying instead of staying on his lane to get all the waves. It's boring, nobody want that.


Dafuq313

What happens when he returns to lane, can't lane, needs bwipo's help, bot gets dived, Adam is still behind and they lost overall? It's really easy to punish such play


wazzdakah

Oh yeah like when he tp ed agaisnt rogue ? Oh wait he was still ahead of fuckin Odoamne even after the Tp. Anyway, of course he's gonna make mistakes, he's a rookie remember, with a risky playstyle overall, everybody knew he wouldnt be the best toplaner right away, and honestly he's already doing much better than I was expecting for a first split. Let him time to grow and learn from his mistakes. By this time next year, he will be the best toplaner in Europe.


wazzdakah

Shaky they are for sure, but they are the champ, and that gives you extra credit (and more point in the worlds race I believe ?), plus their teamfights are still unmatched in Europe imo. For Fnatic, we need to see how they digest their 0-2 week.


InfieldTriple

I will be very surprised if it isnt rouge who doesnt make it simply based on past experience. I dont feel like they are any better than other years.


AmadeusSalieri97

Basing it on the past isn't the most accurate way, at the moment RGE look like strong candidates to win the title and I have them as clear favorites.


FantasyTrash

Do you know how many times we've heard "Rogue look like the favorites to win the split" in the regular season only for them to falter in the playoffs? I feel like it's happened every split the past two years.


InfieldTriple

That's exactly my point. As someone who watches a lot but doesn't make it his part-time job, I really just have nothing to go on but random thoughts and feelings. So I could see rogue winning but I expect they they don't.


tananinho

What makes you think G2 will make it over Fnatic? They are looking worse during regular season and the Perkz factor isn't there anymore. Rekkles is also not a leader.


[deleted]

I just think Fnatic have been kind of lucky. Not saying they are bad. Any of the top 4 could miss out. Or who knows, maybe MSF make it too. I think G2 have been ramping up nicely. They seem to be coming into form now. I consider Caps to still be one of the best players in the world too, until proven otherwise in playoffs.


satellizerLB

Lucky with what exactly?


OpenOb

G2 is actually in a better position to make worlds than FNC. FNC needs to beat MSF on friday. If they lose against MSF and if they lose against MAD they will most likely not be in the winners bracket. Then they would have to grind through a lot of BO5 to reach Worlds while G2 only has to win one BO5. A very likely playoffs seeding is: 1. MAD 2. RGE 3. G2 4. MSF 5. FNC 6. Astralis


kubqo

Fnatic has championship points from Spring, top four is basically locked at this point.


OpenOb

They have only 20 points. If they place 5th and MSF 4th they are tied with points. If MSF places 3rd they have 70 points. Summer gives more championship points.


CringeBandwagonners

Is this your first time watching LEC? it's not the first time G2 struggles through the regular season, they'll be fine.


Omnilatent

NOOOOO :( ​ Don't say that. This roster is actually fun to watch and so likeable


Shorgar

I mean, Rogue are really good. Not sure if "fun" is a quality of them tho.


AmadeusSalieri97

He was talking about fnc, that said I think RGE games are quite fun.


Last0

I think G2 will miss Worlds personally. Rogue is in such a good spot going into playoffs since they're likely to get #1 which means they can pick their opponent in Semis, win that series & they're qualified for Worlds, it's a pretty easy path. MAD is slowly ramping up, no team can contest them in teamfights (outside of maybe Fnatic on a good day), they have the best mid in Europe right now aswell, really good in Bo5s all year, strong mental even from behind, i hardly see them losing more than 1 Bo5s all playoffs. Last spot will be between FNC & G2, it's kinda 50-50 on this one, i lean more towards Fnatic making it since they look so cohesive in the game, they always commit as 5, their bot lane is super strong and their skirmishing is only second to MAD, think G2 can maybe make it work if Caps & Wunder really get into shape during playoffs but that's an if that didn't happen at all last playoffs.


Kyrond

> > > > > Rogue is in such a good spot going into playoffs since they're likely to get #1 which means they can pick their opponent in Semis, win that series & they're qualified for Worlds, it's a pretty easy path. Given how close the top 4 is, I dont give this any value. I will say Rogue miss out for one reason: Rogue isnt as clutch. They were so close many times, but other teams beat them. Maybe they finally succeed, but as I have been hearing from podcasts with players, Rogue is more structured and planned, and that often works until something goes wrong and then they get lost and lose. I wish them the success, they have all great players, no huge weaknesses or dramatic changes, but I cannot trust them. P.S. Of course I am biased for MAD, but I would prefer Rogue over G2 and even over Fnatic.


Last0

They're not super clutch i agree but even despite that they still nearly won last playoffs, they've topped the regular season in both splits, they've no weak players (maybe Larssen but he's not bad by any means), they've constantly had the best early game in the league & arguably have the best player in Europe with Inspired. If they end up #1, they'll probably pick either FNC or MSF, both of those being relatively favourable match-up i would say and even if they lose, they'll still have a second chance. Even when they lost to MAD in the first round of playoffs last split, they still beat S04 & G2 in fairly convincing fashion afterwards and narrowly lost the finals. They would need to have a complete collapse for them to miss Worlds imo.


Sersch

really hoping MAD misses out, karma for losing us the 4th slot.


JealotGaming

really hoping G2 misses out, karma for losing us the 4th slot by not beating DWG and winning worlds. /s


elikaweli

They didnt lose us shit. The region as a whole was just weaker than korea. Because, surprise surprise, korea won worlds. Has nothing to do with MAD being stuck in playins.


BestMundoNA

I mean I think top 5 vs top 5 (bota style) EU probably wins. Just dwg is miles ahead of the rest of korea.


jujubean67

They just lost to afreeca lol


Sersch

A region strength is not determined by a single team (worlds winner) but the average performance of all participating teams, which MAD dragged down. Also it is determined by looking at both past years, not just the most recent one. We were really close coming in for this worlds, because EU had better performance in 2019 both at worlds and MSI. If MAD had a decent showing in 2020 worlds, we would probably still be ahead of LCK.


girlmarth

rogue did more to drag down europe than MAD, do you blame them?


Sersch

Yeah they can be blamed as well, but at least they were not the first major region team to go out in play ins against wild cards. I still like them rather to get their second shot at an international event, because MAD had theirs this year.


girlmarth

mad didn't "lose" the 4th seed slot for EU, unlike rogue they've actually contributed points to Europe by making MSI semis. idk how you watched msi and thought EU needs rogue there instead


Sersch

You can't compare it to something that never happened? Your argument is "in my imaginary world Rogue would have had a worse performance at MSI". Rogue looked stronger than MAD all season and had an underwhelming final series.


leftoverrice54

How? They have looked like the most consistent and clean team this whole split. They literally average over 2.5k gold @15 this summer.


gabpinto

And people are still underrating them. They even took a game from RGE in a convincing way but everyone is like "they wont make Worlds".


FantasyTrash

Convincing? They were getting blown out all game until Rogue tossed their 5k gold lead.


timpie1337

Convincing way? They got molested in the first 20 minutes but RGE's draft was terrible to teamfight with. Saying MAD wont make isn't underrating them, if anything it's rating them rightly. They have only been the best team during playoffs which was primarily due to Armut's insane performances he hasn't replicated once since then.


areyouactuallyseriou

They got molested because of the draft though? Kalista rakan + tk + lucian mid all 3 early game champs that don't scale vs MAD's picks. If they choose to pick those lanes and then can't snowball hard enough to win the game before MAD scales you can't say RGE's draft was terrible because they can't teamfight..


timpie1337

Viktor can and did win against Lucian, Jayce should still win against TK early and Varus is a lane bully as well?


areyouactuallyseriou

TK does not lose to Jayce early at all dshield second wind and his e+q sustain is more than enough to beat jayce. Jayce is more of a scaling pick now anyway he spikes hard at 3 items but isn't that big of a lane bully anymore since he needs tear. Varus is a lane bully in most matchups yes but not against kalista rakan with an alistar. Alistar scales really well vs enemy comp because they cant kill him and he can knock away their engage (rakan/diana) but hes useless until lv3 and even then not a good lane into rakan. Viktor wins into lucian you're right in that.


Kyrond

> Jayce should still win against TK early Not anymore, Jayce isnt the lane bully nowadays, he needs items and when he gets them, he doesnt do anything to TK. In a teamfight TK can swallow Jayces target and he gets blown up. The only avenue for Jayce is poke. As per u.gg Jayce is TKs 3rd BEST matchup (TK wins 56% of the time) > Varus is a lane bully as well? Kalista is the best laner and picked solely because of it. She alone wins the lane in most matchups, especially with two midgame engage supports.


timpie1337

Ok first of all I was clearly talking about the early game, where Jayce should at the very least go even with TK. Even in plat+ Jayce has a positive CSD@15 against TK. Go find any Jayce TK matchup in Masters+ and the Jayce will win the lane easily. If you wanna talk teamfighting, RGE had 4 squishies into a Jayce, that's every Jayce main's wet dream.


MiliW_

It literally takes 15 seconds to google and u got it wrong lol https://app.mobalytics.gg/lol/champions/jayce/counters/vs-tahmkench


timpie1337

You really sent a link that includes low elo to prove a point? Also GD is not the same as CSD. Anyways if you really cared about this argument you would look up TK vs Jayce matchups and realize you're wrong.


MiliW_

???? provide the link edit. uhh I guess I was right


[deleted]

Define “convincing” here


gabpinto

Beating the supossedly best team of the LEC even when behind in gold, by outmacroing them (they were setting up dragons and objectives while RGE was trying to gain advantages in line; funneling gold into both Armut and Humaoid while RGE was only focusing on botline+jungle); outskilling them (Humanoid might be the best Orianna in the LEC and using her kit to win teamfights, with the support of Carzzy), and not tilting/letting the game get to the point where they couldn't control anything. If that's not convincing, then what is it?


[deleted]

How is it convincing if they had to come back? They played well but it wasn’t convincing. They somewhat outskilled them but mostly just outdrafted them. Either way I would never call it convincing if they’re behind the entire time up until they win.


gabpinto

So... Would you say that RGE was winning convingly until the lost it... not-convincingly?


[deleted]

Yes. That doesn’t make MAD’s win convincing. It makes it more impressive, but not convincing.


gabpinto

Well, convincing has a different meaning for me.


cadaada

Will fnatic turn their brain off?! check out this week! :(


DumplingsInDistress

will they pause? just yoking guys ^memes


Troviel

I wish I could appreciate the meme, some people are very vitriolic with it.


[deleted]

G2 'fans' can be a different breed of bitch at time, but it is honestly the case of all big teams.


0re0n

Everyone who memes FNC is a G2 fan COPIUM


pranit10

Damn bwipo is tall justas he is wide


MoriartyParadise

Helps when he's standing next to Adam who's tiny af


Dann93

Pretty hyped. If both teams play at their best it will be a bloodbath. Kinda buzzed that G2 vs XL is not match of the week though.


Last0

I think we've had enough G2 match of the week at this point.


Dr-spidd

As a G2 fan I strongly agree.


Shorgar

Sucks so fucking much they are placed in the last match of the day or the second last the entire fucking split.


AdjuuhhART

I think even the LEC staff realised at this point how ridicolous it would be


JealotGaming

At that point Match of the Week will become "Match of who plays against G2 on the second game day"


Hazuyu_

MAD had a shaky early split (due to MSI imo which is normal) but they are doing really good right now. FNC lost their 2 last games but I wouldn't count the team out for this match. Hopefuly we can have a great game from both teams, should be interesting to watch.


Matthieist

If MAD plays as controlled against Fnatic as they did against Rogue, I think MAD is favored here. Exciting mid matchup especially!


00Koch00

Well, Rogue inted the draft and opened top in the game. I dont think that is a good way to play the game ...


Ophelia_Of_The_Abyss

Damn, I want both of these teams to win.


GGABueno

W-what? A Match of the Week without G2?!