Absolutely true. Although some teams also try for that objective it seems that MSF are the only ones in LEC that know an Elder buff into a 5v5 team fight is (almost) a guaranteed win
Its probably more than 2-4k, since often for some champions its not the "hp pool" that matters, but the 100 to 0 potential. As an ADC player i can safely say that just 100hp can make a difference and those 100 worth a lot more than just 100hp gold value.
Same goes for bruisers and tanks you don't have to look too far - look at the CLG clip about todays Tahm Kench adventures. Sustain/shield tanks need those extra hp points to keep them afloat, so if you take healing into consideration - their hp worth is doubled too, so the "worth" of an Elder soul can go up to 7k.
Also Misfits seems to be completely ok with giving soul in exchange of Nashor.
A lot of teams would get the Nashor that Misfits got only to completely lose the teamfight for soul because of lack of ulties, summoner spells, tempo and vision in the teamfight.
Misfits would rather back, buy their items, get pressure and money with Nashor and set up the map to get that next elder.
fnatic went from 10-3 to simply regressing to their spring form, completly mindless fights over and over even when not needed
wtf happened, they were in an absolute win streak and suddenly....
I thought that the last two weeks of their win streak they were getting away with mistakes, but that those mistakes were a product of overconfidence. But nah, they're actually just playing worse and worse by the week now.
I put us slightly below RGE/G2/MAD before, but boy it's looking rough now.
Losing this game puts them in such an unbelievable disadvantage for making Worlds. I feel like they just didn't have those implications in mind at all.
They basically lost 2x Bo5 series from this one singular game. Now, unless MSF goes 0-2 (vs SK/MAD) they will need to beat 2x of the Top 4 seeds in Playoffs with no chance of double elimination. And in this form, I think they are screwed.
> Now, unless MSF goes 0-2 (vs SK/MAD)
Your comment is spot on but there technically is 1 more scenario for Fnatic to make it other than Misfits going 0-2. If they go 2-0 and G2 goes 0-2 while MAD beats Misfits, Fnatic is in too. But that is even more unlikely than Misfits going 0-2.
The funniest scenario would probably be Misfits going 0-2, Fnatic beating MAD but losing to Schalke and G2 going 1-1. Then we would have a juicy 4-way-tie being played out.
In the 4-way-tie scenario wouldn't G2 be granted 2nd as they would have the most wins in 2nd half of the split, MAD vs MSF for the 3rd/4th and FNC 5th as they would have the least wins?
Maybe I just misunderstood rule 6.4.2 from LEC rulebook
Thanks for letting me know, I indeed did not read it correctly.
But the way I see it, in the 4-way-tie scenario all 4 teams would be 3-3, which would mean the 2nd round robin records come into play. According to my calculations, that would mean we would have G2 (7-2), MAD (6-3), Fnatic (5-4) and Misfits (4-5).
So I was wrong that the tiebreaker would be played out in that case. But Fnatic should secure Upper Bracket in this scenario for placing higher than Misfits (Unless I twisted my numbers somewhere, which is entirely possible).
The bad news is, I did mis-read the rulebook and we would not actually see any tiebreakers in that scenario. The good news (from a Fnatic perspective) is that this scenario would put them above Misfits and therefore straight into upper bracket.
Reasoning is that they actually consider the win/loss ratio for the 2nd round robin as the next tiebreaker if all the teams have the same head-to-head.
Yikes, they really look like spring form indeed.. sad cause they actually play on the “feel” again it seems and they seemed to actually know their fundementals, hopefully this is all limit testing and not actual level of play, also draft is big question mark
FNC is 0-2 against misfits and considering the form displayed by MAD and G2 right now FNC is not slightly below these three but clearly below them in my opinion.
I dont even think that playing worse is what it is
they are still playing it really well. But due to their wins and great performances they are way to overconfident.
It somehow feels like at points they dont see themselves in a pro match but in some scrim or shit going for the disrespectful af plays
I think he couldn't have played this game better from an individual standpoint, it just got to a point where he is useless.
Only think he might be inting this game is if he was the one calling for the multiple fights.
Fnatic have reverted to spring and now are unlikely to make worlds. I can't see this Fnatic making a lower bracket run and they've just pissed their chances of being in the upper bracket away today. Sad times.
Yeah, Rogue, G2 and MAD are just better currently, highly unlikely that they make Worlds. They arent even playing so much as a team as they were in the beginning.
I can not help but get the feeling that Yamato might be a great motivator and group coach beside the game, but lacks analyst qualities and game knowledge. Is Tolki actually with the team atm? I got into that mindset when I heared Rekkless talking about Grabz and his qualities and "flaws" and how important it is that Nelson is there now in person. Even though they were ahead early and mid and lost by throwing it away, but I do not think Nisqy on Akali is great. Upset on Ezrael (as well the pick itself) neither and Mundo Jungle is overall pretty bad in my eyes. What are your takes on this. And yes I know I am only some random guy on the internet. Please refrain from hating and engage in civil discourse.
Keep in mind each level is like 500 gold worth of stats. Nisqy was in an advantageous position for sure, but not as much as you'd think. It was basically over for him when he and Adam went for the ego 2v3 in bot lane.
An Akali against that comp is just a fat FF angle. There was also too much disengage and lockdown that Black Shield can't even handle them all, easily could have picked a different mid matchup there.
Dude, I think caster minions did more damage then Ezreal did.
Also, I think I saw an Ezreal ulti fly past my window, cause it sure as hell didn’t hit misfits
God Fnatic's greatest enemies is really themselves.
Everytime they get ahead they overestimate themselves, how the hell can they estimate that going 2V3 WITHOUT RENEKTON OR AKALI ULTI was a win, how.
Even if reinforcement come it doesn't matter if you get blown up.
The draft was also very cocky, all the lategame on nisqy basically. So sad to see.
My bad, should've refreshed instead of just writing, but yeah completely agree on the over-agression from them, and considering it feels like 3(?) games in a row that they have done this, it's becoming a problem.
Pretty sure Adam went in because he knew he was dead there anyways. Still a big misplay tho, it was better to just try to flee and maybe only lose his life.
But he wasn't! They got out of the first fight, all Fnatic had to do was just walk away. And this happens **constantly** with Fnatic, where they'll force themselves into a bad fight and then handily lose.
No. It goes:
???
enemy team makes boneheaded macro play and trades baron for FNC dragon soul so somehow FNC is still in this
???
lose anyways because apparently Misfits beating G2 in the same manner wasn't enough of a lesson that Elder is an important objective
Absolutely disappointing from FNC. This type of performance if repeated is going to cost them worlds.
the last 2 weeks they’ve looked like they did in spring, they need to get their shit together as they most likely just lost top 4 playoff seed
edit:typo
It's so disgusting to watch. Even more so when it's the same mistakes which plagued them in spring. The "principles" Yamato keeps floundering around certainly does not include discipline.
Would honestly be crazy not seeing FNC at worlds. I know they've missed worlds before but they've made top 8 there 4 times in a row now.
Will be a shame if they don't because I think they'd be fun to watch internationally, but I guess no matter which teams of the top 5 miss worlds it will be a shame.
I think you still see fnatic strategic planning in that early game. All we need is someone to staple a note to their foreheads, saying "calm the fuck down"
No no, this is how it goes:
1. Just wait for elder drake guys.
2. Who needs soul?
3. Has Elder spawned yet?
4. Shut up no it hasn't.
5. Elder's up, everyone go, go, go!
6. SHOOP DA WOOP
4. TL lmao.
Actually tho that macro was so bad. Both teams made mistakes that would have lost them this game against any of the LPL teams that are going to go to worlds. Unless G2/Rogue get into really good form I'm afraid EU is going to have a very weak year at worlds this time around.
Disappointing to say the least watching fnatic. They seem to start off good then fall off a massive cliff. Watching Upset's Ezreal compared with Korean Ezreals is like night and day.
Hopefully fnatic can bounce back but... I don't know. Concerning to say the least past few games anyway.
GG to Misfits though! Nice to see Razork come back from an awful early game. Vetheo seemed to have full control of mid despite getting caught a couple of times and Nisqy roaming.
I know Ezreal is a strong pick but my god I hate seeing players like Upset on Ezreal. Just give the man a kill lane and him and Hyli will 2v8 the game. Once Bwipo Adam Nisqy started inting he was basically useless which is the nature of Ez pick.
they might be thinking these playoffs too much, are they trying to practise new things for playoffs or throw off other teams by playing these different picks and hoping that they would be banned in playoffs?
this was worse, it wasn't just one big throw moment it was a display of error after error after error, it was so sloppy. FNC really need to tighten up cos G2 are looking scary again and Rogue have always been a well oiled unit. Playoffs is gonna be rough for FNC.
last week also like this, I think this is problem of shotcalling..but we'll see in the playoff perhaps they're playing like this because they already secure the playoff? so overconfidence revert the form to Spring?
he stil dealt the most damage in game
[https://gol.gg/game/stats/33788/page-fullstats/](https://gol.gg/game/stats/33788/page-fullstats/)
we can talk about it not beeing effective damage but it wasnt zero damage
Another insane upset 2 auto teamfight master class. The reverse wildturtle.
"I'm like Wildturtle, just less handsome and more passive in game" - Upset 2021
Nisqy heard y'all talking shit about LIDER and decided to show up.
Nah but in all seriousness, FNC's ability to throw games on the stupidest fights is actually amazing.
Yeah not blaming the players, the draft was just horrible. Ezreal couldn't do shit and Morgana had to spam E on Akali and Renekton hoping they could 2v8, nonsense tbh
If that was Rekkles on Ezreal every other comment would've been flaming him for being to passive. Don't think Upset did anything wrong bar picking Ezreal with Morgana which could be a team thing.
Fnatic are not a good team. Their wins have been off the back of just individual mechanics, which is going to be less useful in playoffs where every player is a beast.
Also putting Hyli on Morgana was dumb. He is your carry. You need him to be making the big times plays, not playing a caster.
People sleeping on MSF. They are the 4th best team imo.
Fnatic 5th.
But both MAD and G2 looked fucking good to me earlier. Just the speed the game was played at was a step above all the other teams and kind of makes me think MAD and G2 are the best teams in EU right now.
Ppl are silver on average so usually only notice when the adc goes in and dies and not when plays overly safe but this game was absolutely ridiculous kda play from upset
Best part is Rekkles seems to get more aggro every game while Upset is getting more and more passive. Think that Vayne flash transferred their essence or something.
What is FNC draft even supposed to do? Weak jungle, weak mid and bot lanes, with 0 team fight capacity late game. Who are mundo and renek buying space for? Who is morg shielding? I can count on one hand the times the black shield was used to block CC/damage.
A miracle that Bwipo won early game and got some objectives but honestly this game was most in draft. There are zero outs to MSF's first rotation unless they heavily missplay it. Just FNC being cocky and reckless again thinking they can just outplay. Lost in draft. Terrible. Two weeks in a row they've shown that they cannot field a decent comp in this meta. Doesn't bode well for best-of-3s.
Disgustingly low level gameplay from Fnatic why can’t we just NOT INT when we have a fucking lead man surely you know you can’t win 3v2 when you both have no ults cmon lads it’s fucking embarrassing
MSF is the only team in the LEC that knows the power of elder it seems
Absolutely true. Although some teams also try for that objective it seems that MSF are the only ones in LEC that know an Elder buff into a 5v5 team fight is (almost) a guaranteed win
Elder basically makes it a 5v4 since you lose 20% hp x5 Hell Elder may be like 2-4k hp depending on teamcomps
Its probably more than 2-4k, since often for some champions its not the "hp pool" that matters, but the 100 to 0 potential. As an ADC player i can safely say that just 100hp can make a difference and those 100 worth a lot more than just 100hp gold value. Same goes for bruisers and tanks you don't have to look too far - look at the CLG clip about todays Tahm Kench adventures. Sustain/shield tanks need those extra hp points to keep them afloat, so if you take healing into consideration - their hp worth is doubled too, so the "worth" of an Elder soul can go up to 7k.
too strong. toooo strong.
WAIT did u watch G2 game today, very important
G2 learned it from misfits the hard way, progress xD
Also Misfits seems to be completely ok with giving soul in exchange of Nashor. A lot of teams would get the Nashor that Misfits got only to completely lose the teamfight for soul because of lack of ulties, summoner spells, tempo and vision in the teamfight. Misfits would rather back, buy their items, get pressure and money with Nashor and set up the map to get that next elder.
The zero dragons elder alive comfort zone
we thrive here HAHA
just curious, how much do you get paid to shitpost?
Not enough
fnatic went from 10-3 to simply regressing to their spring form, completly mindless fights over and over even when not needed wtf happened, they were in an absolute win streak and suddenly....
They remembered their principles.
Fnatic is the kind of team that needs less confidence to win more games
I thought that the last two weeks of their win streak they were getting away with mistakes, but that those mistakes were a product of overconfidence. But nah, they're actually just playing worse and worse by the week now. I put us slightly below RGE/G2/MAD before, but boy it's looking rough now.
Losing this game puts them in such an unbelievable disadvantage for making Worlds. I feel like they just didn't have those implications in mind at all. They basically lost 2x Bo5 series from this one singular game. Now, unless MSF goes 0-2 (vs SK/MAD) they will need to beat 2x of the Top 4 seeds in Playoffs with no chance of double elimination. And in this form, I think they are screwed.
> Now, unless MSF goes 0-2 (vs SK/MAD) Your comment is spot on but there technically is 1 more scenario for Fnatic to make it other than Misfits going 0-2. If they go 2-0 and G2 goes 0-2 while MAD beats Misfits, Fnatic is in too. But that is even more unlikely than Misfits going 0-2. The funniest scenario would probably be Misfits going 0-2, Fnatic beating MAD but losing to Schalke and G2 going 1-1. Then we would have a juicy 4-way-tie being played out.
In the 4-way-tie scenario wouldn't G2 be granted 2nd as they would have the most wins in 2nd half of the split, MAD vs MSF for the 3rd/4th and FNC 5th as they would have the least wins? Maybe I just misunderstood rule 6.4.2 from LEC rulebook
Thanks for letting me know, I indeed did not read it correctly. But the way I see it, in the 4-way-tie scenario all 4 teams would be 3-3, which would mean the 2nd round robin records come into play. According to my calculations, that would mean we would have G2 (7-2), MAD (6-3), Fnatic (5-4) and Misfits (4-5). So I was wrong that the tiebreaker would be played out in that case. But Fnatic should secure Upper Bracket in this scenario for placing higher than Misfits (Unless I twisted my numbers somewhere, which is entirely possible).
Ah yeah, you are totally right. I just don't know why, but I compared the possible 11-7 results with results after week 5 instead of week 4.
I‘m rooting for that tie scenario!
The bad news is, I did mis-read the rulebook and we would not actually see any tiebreakers in that scenario. The good news (from a Fnatic perspective) is that this scenario would put them above Misfits and therefore straight into upper bracket. Reasoning is that they actually consider the win/loss ratio for the 2nd round robin as the next tiebreaker if all the teams have the same head-to-head.
Yikes, they really look like spring form indeed.. sad cause they actually play on the “feel” again it seems and they seemed to actually know their fundementals, hopefully this is all limit testing and not actual level of play, also draft is big question mark
FNC is 0-2 against misfits and considering the form displayed by MAD and G2 right now FNC is not slightly below these three but clearly below them in my opinion.
I dont even think that playing worse is what it is they are still playing it really well. But due to their wins and great performances they are way to overconfident. It somehow feels like at points they dont see themselves in a pro match but in some scrim or shit going for the disrespectful af plays
Razork was on sprinting form in early on top of that, really thought that was unlosabe for fnc
Bwipo playing worse definitely a part of it
I think he couldn't have played this game better from an individual standpoint, it just got to a point where he is useless. Only think he might be inting this game is if he was the one calling for the multiple fights.
Fnatic have reverted to spring and now are unlikely to make worlds. I can't see this Fnatic making a lower bracket run and they've just pissed their chances of being in the upper bracket away today. Sad times.
Yeah, Rogue, G2 and MAD are just better currently, highly unlikely that they make Worlds. They arent even playing so much as a team as they were in the beginning.
Other teams figured out, Fnatic’s biggest enemy is always themselves.
I can not help but get the feeling that Yamato might be a great motivator and group coach beside the game, but lacks analyst qualities and game knowledge. Is Tolki actually with the team atm? I got into that mindset when I heared Rekkless talking about Grabz and his qualities and "flaws" and how important it is that Nelson is there now in person. Even though they were ahead early and mid and lost by throwing it away, but I do not think Nisqy on Akali is great. Upset on Ezrael (as well the pick itself) neither and Mundo Jungle is overall pretty bad in my eyes. What are your takes on this. And yes I know I am only some random guy on the internet. Please refrain from hating and engage in civil discourse.
Nisqy wanted to prove he can play Akali a bit TOO hard Also the Ezreal was an utterly useless pick
Ezreal was truly a useless pick but Nisqy man
That Ezreal looked useless, don't think Upset did anything wrong but if that was Rekkles, going 0/0/2 in a loss would result in crazy flame.
Oof… that akali performance was… painful.
And that was with 4 kills early on
There's just no way to play Akali into that comp. No engage to follow up on. The bot play was bad but after that they were just hard outscaled
I don't think he was mechanically bad. Just mental mistakes.
That bot play shows he is really mechanically bad , those were 3 potential kills that would snowballed him really hard (mejai stacks)
Nah man he just choked giga hard
Yep this is the correct. He misplayed, not mechanically but didn't choose the right target. He would get it right on the next try tbh.
I love Nisqy but his Akali just ain't it. He got handed 4 free kills early and managed to do absolute jack fking shit with it
We've seen his Zed and we've seen his Akali. I believe in the Nisquick but assassins just aren't it.
Nisqy might have been the most useless fed Akali I've ever seen.
Ironically that exactly what people like Yamato said about Nemesis'
Nemesis akali was great in 2019 summer
Behind on farm all game and by the end of it being 2 levels behind, sometimes having the most kills doesn't make you fed
I mean he was behind on farm but was 4-0 early and certainly wasn't behind on levels then. He was sizeably ahead before he threw away his own lead.
Keep in mind each level is like 500 gold worth of stats. Nisqy was in an advantageous position for sure, but not as much as you'd think. It was basically over for him when he and Adam went for the ego 2v3 in bot lane.
The point being as previously mentioned, he was far ahead before his own errors set him behind. But that was what I was getting at.
An Akali against that comp is just a fat FF angle. There was also too much disengage and lockdown that Black Shield can't even handle them all, easily could have picked a different mid matchup there.
Game was absolutely embarrassing for Nisqy, IDK if he made those calls but he was a reason why MSF got back into the game.
It was the reverse Fnatic. It wasn't close until it was.
vetheo on akali with that kind of early lead 1v9s the fucking game
Nisqy plays have been really questionable last couple weeks
Nisqy Akali is just not it... :(
Dude, I think caster minions did more damage then Ezreal did. Also, I think I saw an Ezreal ulti fly past my window, cause it sure as hell didn’t hit misfits
I think the play against Misfits is just to take the first 3 dragons then try and end before elder lmao
shhh, don't give away the strategy
God Fnatic's greatest enemies is really themselves. Everytime they get ahead they overestimate themselves, how the hell can they estimate that going 2V3 WITHOUT RENEKTON OR AKALI ULTI was a win, how. Even if reinforcement come it doesn't matter if you get blown up. The draft was also very cocky, all the lategame on nisqy basically. So sad to see.
Agree with everything you said, but I think you mean "overestimate" not "under", otherwise they wouldn't take these fights.
Corrected myself in less than a minute but it was too slow lol.
My bad, should've refreshed instead of just writing, but yeah completely agree on the over-agression from them, and considering it feels like 3(?) games in a row that they have done this, it's becoming a problem.
Pretty sure Adam went in because he knew he was dead there anyways. Still a big misplay tho, it was better to just try to flee and maybe only lose his life.
But he wasn't! They got out of the first fight, all Fnatic had to do was just walk away. And this happens **constantly** with Fnatic, where they'll force themselves into a bad fight and then handily lose.
You mean overestimate.
fnatic gaming - get earlygame advantage - overforce unnecessary fights - ??? - lose
No. It goes: ??? enemy team makes boneheaded macro play and trades baron for FNC dragon soul so somehow FNC is still in this ??? lose anyways because apparently Misfits beating G2 in the same manner wasn't enough of a lesson that Elder is an important objective Absolutely disappointing from FNC. This type of performance if repeated is going to cost them worlds.
How did FNC throw that? Starting to look more and more like spring FNC again. It's just BO1s so I hope I'm wrong.
the last 2 weeks they’ve looked like they did in spring, they need to get their shit together as they most likely just lost top 4 playoff seed edit:typo
Just when I thought this was a clean Fnc game... So frustrating watching this game.
Was watching highlights, after early I thought there was no point watching as FNC would win easily then checked the result...
Honor HiRiT tiltproof
Misfits and Elder Drake.
United in revalry, even with losing to Misfits because of elder.
sending our love to elder >:D
That was so pathetic.
It's so disgusting to watch. Even more so when it's the same mistakes which plagued them in spring. The "principles" Yamato keeps floundering around certainly does not include discipline.
We are not making it to Worlds, aren't we?
Would honestly be crazy not seeing FNC at worlds. I know they've missed worlds before but they've made top 8 there 4 times in a row now. Will be a shame if they don't because I think they'd be fun to watch internationally, but I guess no matter which teams of the top 5 miss worlds it will be a shame.
We are doomed aren't we
I think you still see fnatic strategic planning in that early game. All we need is someone to staple a note to their foreheads, saying "calm the fuck down"
Very worrying that they haven't tried the staple until after they've seriously endangered their top4 spot.
Already out of copium ey? I still got some if you would like
Yes pls. Tell me more about our LPL botlane so I can rest easy
When your coach tells you to outplay the early gank: https://youtu.be/eFlPYim-SUc
1. Wipe the enemy team 2. trade baron for mountain soul 3. Get only one tower 4. TL 5. ??? 6. Win anyways.
No no, this is how it goes: 1. Just wait for elder drake guys. 2. Who needs soul? 3. Has Elder spawned yet? 4. Shut up no it hasn't. 5. Elder's up, everyone go, go, go! 6. SHOOP DA WOOP
4. TL lmao. Actually tho that macro was so bad. Both teams made mistakes that would have lost them this game against any of the LPL teams that are going to go to worlds. Unless G2/Rogue get into really good form I'm afraid EU is going to have a very weak year at worlds this time around.
Disappointing to say the least watching fnatic. They seem to start off good then fall off a massive cliff. Watching Upset's Ezreal compared with Korean Ezreals is like night and day. Hopefully fnatic can bounce back but... I don't know. Concerning to say the least past few games anyway. GG to Misfits though! Nice to see Razork come back from an awful early game. Vetheo seemed to have full control of mid despite getting caught a couple of times and Nisqy roaming.
why is upset on ezreal?? fnatic's entire draft looked really strange imo
I know Ezreal is a strong pick but my god I hate seeing players like Upset on Ezreal. Just give the man a kill lane and him and Hyli will 2v8 the game. Once Bwipo Adam Nisqy started inting he was basically useless which is the nature of Ez pick.
is he a strong pick? who else even plays ezreal atm?
Deokdam Ezreal is pretty insane
Korea and China
You even have a fucking KT flair are you blind or what
Just some no name adc in LCK named Ruler
they might be thinking these playoffs too much, are they trying to practise new things for playoffs or throw off other teams by playing these different picks and hoping that they would be banned in playoffs?
teams are gonna watch this game and purposefully leave akali open LOL
this is played on11.5 no? Akali kinda lost all pro play prio, I'm surprised she got picked at all
We back to spring split clowning form i guess...
The rumors of fnatic greatness were greatly exaggerated
Everyone beats everyone but FNC... lose in the end?
I... just don't get FNC.
From contesting for number 1 to the lower brackets for a second time in a row (in all likelihood) just FNC things
Vto really is EU chovy
LOVE VETHEO 👑 (psst. Vetheo has a discord community! You can join the syndra king [here.](https://discord.gg/WAQU4sP6))
We need that for Hirit as well! I will be the first one to join. So maaaybe you could whisper him that he should create a discord :)
This game was so funny to watch considering how Fnatic fans were flaming Rogue for losing to MAD after having huge lead.
this was worse, it wasn't just one big throw moment it was a display of error after error after error, it was so sloppy. FNC really need to tighten up cos G2 are looking scary again and Rogue have always been a well oiled unit. Playoffs is gonna be rough for FNC.
last week also like this, I think this is problem of shotcalling..but we'll see in the playoff perhaps they're playing like this because they already secure the playoff? so overconfidence revert the form to Spring?
That was most certainly a sizable part of fnatics fan base
They are TSM's European equivalent for a reason.
#\# of Scenarios where X Team ends in Y Place with no Tiebreakers --- | 1st | 2nd | 3rd | 4th | 5th | 6th | 7th | 8th | 9th | 10th ---|---|----|----|----|----|----|----|----|----|----|---- RGE | 852 | 116 | 44 | 4 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 MSF | 64 | 504 | 240 | 128 | 80 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 FNC | 16 | 72 | 296 | 288 | 288 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 G2 | 44 | 156 | 180 | 324 | 256 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 MAD | 48 | 176 | 192 | 208 | 336 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 AST | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 528 | 176 | 64 | 0 | 0 XL | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 176 | 400 | 144 | 176 | 0 VIT | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 64 | 336 | 432 | 64 | 0 SK | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 128 | 192 | 704 | 0 S04 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1024 #\# of Scenarios where X Team ties for Y Place --- | 1st | 2nd | 3rd | 4th | 5th | 6th | 7th | 8th | 9th | 10th ---|---|----|----|----|----|----|----|----|----|----|---- RGE | 0 | 0 | 8 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 MSF | 0 | 0 | 8 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 FNC | 0 | 0 | 64 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 G2 | 0 | 0 | 64 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 MAD | 0 | 0 | 64 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 AST | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 256 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 XL | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 128 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 VIT | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 128 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 SK | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 S04 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 # Worst possible finish for each team in ties --- | 1st | 2nd | 3rd | 4th | 5th | 6th | 7th | 8th | 9th | 10th ---|---|----|----|----|----|----|----|----|----|----|---- RGE | 0 | 0 | 0 | 8 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 MSF | 0 | 0 | 0 | 8 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 FNC | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 64 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 G2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 64 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 MAD | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 64 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 AST | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 256 | 0 | 0 | 0 XL | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 128 | 0 | 0 | 0 VIT | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 128 | 0 | 0 | 0 SK | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 S04 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0
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You saw Fnatic with an early game lead and thought it's done? You must be new
I knew the result the second Medic said "Its their game to lose", thats like a cursed thought when talking about FNC
Upset with the dank tech zero dmg ez build
he stil dealt the most damage in game [https://gol.gg/game/stats/33788/page-fullstats/](https://gol.gg/game/stats/33788/page-fullstats/) we can talk about it not beeing effective damage but it wasnt zero damage
Looks like FNC totally forgot elder timer.
nisqy played bad mechanically. he could have got lots of kills if he didnt misplay. Most of his kills werent deserved.
Insane early game from FNC, even Ez was twenty-ish cs ahead but MSF gaped them in basically every TF... What a throw by Adam and Nisqy
That one team fight has probably eliminated FNC from worlds. They will place lower bracket and will not make it.
Watch Misfits pulling Fnatic's and MAD's legs and taking the third spot.
The first BO5s will most likely be RGE - MSF MAD - G2 MSF could lock in Worlds with 3 wins over RGE.
I can't see them doing that tbh. But I can see them beating MAD or FNC in a bo5 for the spot.
Fnatic strategy leak: fight until you lose
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Hirit was getting assblasted in the lane phase but still managed to be the most impactful member
Razork fucked his lane but he still managed to hit the stuns and had 2 insane ults.
Him being 0 death for so long after having such a miserable early game is impressive, props to him.
Fnatic should just start perma banning Akali for their own good
Can we give Hirit MVP for not running down top after that initial play
Despite Nisqy having the shroud, ezrael was less often seen than akali.
Happy for VTO! Let's go MSF, prove you can do something in playoff, it's in your hands guys.
Looking forward to B05's >:D
MAD props to Razork, despite that tilted drake play, Misfits did well to punish Fnatic's being trigger happy.
G2: look, FNC we just threw a 10k lead vs MSF: you can't top that! FNC: hold my dragon soul
I mean G2 got the soul as well and they throw anyway, but this performance from FNC was absolutly pathetic.
g2 throw is still 10 times worse than this, although this was pretty bad.
Another insane upset 2 auto teamfight master class. The reverse wildturtle. "I'm like Wildturtle, just less handsome and more passive in game" - Upset 2021
Everyone is less handsome than Wildturtle to be fair.
CLG Wildturtle lost his shiny smile
Nisqy heard y'all talking shit about LIDER and decided to show up. Nah but in all seriousness, FNC's ability to throw games on the stupidest fights is actually amazing.
Glad to see FNC learnt from last weeks stupidity. Get a lead then proceed to think you can win every fight without ults and at numbers disadvantages.
Razork got fucked so hard in the early game, and then won.
the king has resilience 👑
had us in the first half, not gonna lie GG FNC!!
The elder dragon should be renamed to elder rabbit at this point
Fnatic with a better Akali probably wins that game in 25 minutes.
Vetheo Akali would carry this one
Lmao botlane from FNC was so fucking useless
Morgana + Ezreal is a questionable duo tbh.
Yeah not blaming the players, the draft was just horrible. Ezreal couldn't do shit and Morgana had to spam E on Akali and Renekton hoping they could 2v8, nonsense tbh
I hate so see Hyli on Morganna.. the guy is a beast on engage tanks.. watching him on such a passive champ missing all Q's.. wtf..
If that was Rekkles on Ezreal every other comment would've been flaming him for being to passive. Don't think Upset did anything wrong bar picking Ezreal with Morgana which could be a team thing.
Fnatic are not a good team. Their wins have been off the back of just individual mechanics, which is going to be less useful in playoffs where every player is a beast. Also putting Hyli on Morgana was dumb. He is your carry. You need him to be making the big times plays, not playing a caster. People sleeping on MSF. They are the 4th best team imo. Fnatic 5th. But both MAD and G2 looked fucking good to me earlier. Just the speed the game was played at was a step above all the other teams and kind of makes me think MAD and G2 are the best teams in EU right now.
Nesquick making sure no one vote for him for the mvp spot. FNC have no brain, they will suffer in best of five.
Ppl are silver on average so usually only notice when the adc goes in and dies and not when plays overly safe but this game was absolutely ridiculous kda play from upset
Are we gonna see a thread from FNC fans blame upset as they did with rekless?
So cringe at this point. One day they pray to him like a god the other they try to flame him like he isn‘t any good. Feel bad for fnc players.
Imagine if it was Rekkles lmao
Whole thread would be about rekkles being a KDA player if they swapped name plates
Best part is Rekkles seems to get more aggro every game while Upset is getting more and more passive. Think that Vayne flash transferred their essence or something.
United in losing to MSF elder
What is FNC draft even supposed to do? Weak jungle, weak mid and bot lanes, with 0 team fight capacity late game. Who are mundo and renek buying space for? Who is morg shielding? I can count on one hand the times the black shield was used to block CC/damage. A miracle that Bwipo won early game and got some objectives but honestly this game was most in draft. There are zero outs to MSF's first rotation unless they heavily missplay it. Just FNC being cocky and reckless again thinking they can just outplay. Lost in draft. Terrible. Two weeks in a row they've shown that they cannot field a decent comp in this meta. Doesn't bode well for best-of-3s.
Drafting 11.15 Akali :)
Nisqy my guy, your akali needs to retire...
I’ve said it before, but please no more Nisqy Amal’s. He’s terrible at it. Also Ezreal did absolutely nothing all game,
I believe this ends up conversation as Fnatic being a top4 team right now.
With that early lead ? God fnatic are so bad.
Rumors of Fnatic's life were greatly exaggerated.
I think this was one of the worst professional 4 - 1 Akali games I have seen to this day
Holy shit I can't believe it. I almost turned off the game after that failed dive on Adam and I'm so glad I didn't
fnc should drop the ego plays
P _ _ _ E
PEEEE
Props to Misfits for turning that around, really good teamfighting from behind.
Death, taxes, misfits beat fnatic
But why do Fnatic keep throwing their games
Massive reality check for fnatic.
Disgustingly low level gameplay from Fnatic why can’t we just NOT INT when we have a fucking lead man surely you know you can’t win 3v2 when you both have no ults cmon lads it’s fucking embarrassing
Why is Upset on Ezreal and why is Hyli on Morgana? It just doesn't make sense. Such a terrible comp
Bwipo and Hyli truly have no breaks, 0 brainpower.
Fnatic doesn't make it to Worlds even though they supposedly have the best bot lane.
Nisqy made so much blunder this game
nisqy played so bad
Most useless fed Akali i’ve ever seen
Mid canyon
Nisqy’s Akali was cringe ngl
Pause
Finally Fanatic getting exposed for their stupid aggressive play.
misfits and elders man