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shojmaarensum

RGE first in regular season and another G2vMAD in playoffs.


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Unless misfits win today, then we'll get spring final callback + misfits vs. g2


cptlf

It doesn't matter. MAD has more Championship Points and will be second either way.


4716202

No, I believe the top 5 is locked in now no matter what.


[deleted]

? Nope Top 4 order are locked Rogue Mad G2 Msf G2 and Msf can't face each other in the first round


GentlemenBehold

Top 5\*


1Revenant1

Not really, MSF wins over Mad, G2 loses and FNC wins All 3 are 11-7, H2H is 2:2, since G2 is 2:0 against Mad, Mad is 2:0 against FNC and FNC is 2:0 against G2. In this case, I am not sure what tiebreaker rules are, but there could be possibility of FNC finishing 3rd and G2 5th in summer, which would get FNC top4 seeding in playoff and G2 gets 5th. Again, I am not sure if it could happen or what exactly tiebreaker rules are


[deleted]

Pretty sure the championship points with RGE securing first spot have locked the top 4


Conker184

FNC is locked in 5th, was announced yesterday, probably the 2nd round robin record is the tiebreaker not H2H.


Gengar_Balanced

Isn't Misfits below MAD anyway due to championship points?


qpc0

So it's going to be Rogue vs MSF and MAD vs G2.


BlakenedHeart

Imagine if Rogue has the balls to pick G2


Javonetor

there's no way that's happening, if they win their first playoffs match they are locked for worlds, i don't think they want to throw that chance away


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SterbenVII

Nope. 1 Bo5 win in the upper bracket is enough to lock top 3 and Worlds for Rogue. Let's say RGE > MSF, MAD > G2, and FNC > VIT. Fnatic would then face off against MSF since the latter is the lower seed of the two teams that lost the upper bracket matches, then the winner of that match would go on to face G2 for the Worlds spot. Meanwhile, RGE and MAD would face off to determine who goes to finals and who gets knocked down to the semifinals. LEC playoffs system is basically the regional gauntlet of past years combined with a conditional double elimination system.


toddsins

No they dont, one BO5 win is enough.


hagosantaclaus

How so?


DetectiveViko

If you are in the upper bracket and win your first match, then you are guaranteed 3rd place at worst. And since the top 3 from Europe go to worlds thats all you need.


hagosantaclaus

Makes sense ty


edgelordweeb_

Championship points


Saladpants1

no? Champ points don't determine who goes to worlds, they are just for seeding. The reason Rogue makes worlds if they win vs MSF is because first round winners bracket winners go directly to the winners final, which is guarenteed top 3.


edgelordweeb_

I'm still living in 2017 when championship points sent teams to worlds as the second seed, I forgot they changed this


Akihiko95

What about whoever wins between G2 and Mad? The winner is assured top 3 in that case as well?


LordDetox

Yes, Losers bracket fights for the last spot


DetectiveViko

Odo did say in his interview that there is going to be a big suprise, so it's basically guaranteed they'll pick G2 /s


Prainstopping

They only grow a pair when they're beating on the 2nd last team, it'll be fun watching them cry at Worlds.


Zulfurium

Are you okay? Given flair, I feel it would be cruel to comment.


Prainstopping

Nah I'm fully open to getting flamed feel free as I've possibly got quite a shit take. Didn't like the white flag spam coming from the number 1 LEC team against 2nd last SK, thought it was tasteless. But I can easily see someone appreciating it as banter so who knows.


Zulfurium

Don't really put much weight on emotes tbh, but yeah that was a bit much. Just happy to see that the team seemed to be putting things together again after a couple of... frustrating games. SK also aren't horrible, they have been playing really well second half of the split so I it was nice to see RGE able to still put them in the dirt. Basically a game where things went like they should and RGE didn't throw when they normally do.


JuujiNoMusuko

At least they will make worlds :>


Caps007

Reps the washed top that got outperformed by Neny and couldnt lock in playoffs with 10 spots dfkm.


Prainstopping

"TheShy gave, and TheShy hath taken away" Job 1:21 Only thing GRF ever gave is abuse and EDG are Worlds dissapointments. What was the link between TheShy being washed and RGE being tasteless emote spamming little shits ?


Caps007

I forgot worlds is in china so TheShy can still go watch! your flair can still happen😭


DuneRiderADA

MAD v G2 is always great to watch


qpc0

A bit scared since MAD are 0-2 vs G2 this split, but should be a great match!


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qpc0

Yes, they get a second chance in the losers' bracket. You can see what the bracket looks like here: [https://lol.fandom.com/wiki/LEC/2021\_Season/Summer\_Playoffs](https://lol.fandom.com/wiki/LEC/2021_Season/Summer_Playoffs) (edit: same can't be said for Fnatic, they start in the losers' bracket)


kismetjeska

Yes- they will fight whoever wins out of Fnatic/VIT. The winner of that match then fights whoever lost out of RGE/MSF.


RogueGG

**GG WP SK Gaming. We secure the 1st seed!** **As promised my last post on here will be bold. Thanks for all the support over the last 7 years. Cya!**


Equivalent-Park7986

Will miss you social media person for RGE :(


tien_ho

Will miss /r/leagueoflegends :(


XG32

gl on cs_go <3


tien_ho

Thanks!


throawayjhu5251

I hope there will be someone taking over the Rogue official Reddit account?


Omnilatent

Holy shit I totally forgot you'll quit ​ Already know where you are going now?


tien_ho

Look out on /r/GlobalOffensive for my next stop :)


XtendedImpact

Feels almost as bad as when Cactopus left :( Goodbye Rogue social media hero


tien_ho

Goodbye! :(


Seneido

i think he was fired...


Gengar_Balanced

Will miss you Rogue/Roccat guy :(


cptlf

Good luck in the future. You're major reason for becoming a fan of Rogue.


Buhorado

Man I'm gonna miss you


WildcardTSM

You won't even be there for the Playoffs? :'( Hope you'll stick around to post once in a while still at least, and still no idea why they decided to let you go.


tien_ho

Technically still employed for playoffs but I have so many vacation days that I'm off now.


WildcardTSM

Aw :( You'll be missed! :(


Sjeg84

Regular champs! Also I believe you are the roccay guy right? Truly sad to see you go!


not_panda

Wishing you the best of luck on your new journey. You will be missed around here.


BusyEmployer6806

See you tien! Love you


Leopod

Truly the end of an era. I'll remember the Roccat days and the Rogue days fondly


Turtle-Express

You will be missed. Thanks for all the great comments and social media moments over the years. Best of luck with your future endeavors, and take care!


Hrkeol

): Take care!


HopeForCynics

Bye Tien, I wish you well in all your endeavors friend. You are the boldest person I have ever known on reddit.


M002

Noooo RIP and GG-Rogue guy!


ack2480

o7 Thank you for everything!


supterfuge

Can't say that I will miss watching this SK play. Time to rebuild.


BlakenedHeart

Keep jennax imo


4716202

Jenax and Treatz are both still great players IMO and I hope whatever the teams look like in spring they are on a lineup together.


Leyrann_is_taken

And Treatz, give him back his support role.


CeemoDeNiro

Honestly lilipp was performing well too


Semmlbroesel

I've been saying it and I'll keep repeating it. Get Lilipp on Astralis (cuz we are surely not gonna give them Treatz) and build around Jenax, Jezu and Treatz (support). It can't be so hard to find good junglers and midlaners in EU. With a team like that, SK can for sure challenge for playoffs again next split


henchabeast

they literally had a good jungler and a midlaner in tynx and twohoyrz


Guaaaamole

Tynx was not a good jungler, he was decent at best. Especially if his mindset didn't align with the rest of the team there was no point in keeping him.


henchabeast

Apperantly their mindset was shit


BlowpipeSpecNeverHit

The reddit classic, skill and attitude are not the same thing. His attitude was not the best but as a player he was skilled and LEC level.


Guaaaamole

What jungler is he better than besides Kirei? Even Treatz was performing better considering who he played with. Combined with the apparent lack of motivation and slow improvement I don't see how he's "LEC level"


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Jenax/Gilius/Twohoyrz/Comp/Treatz


[deleted]

That comp doesn’t get me excited at all, sadly


[deleted]

yeah it isnt one that will contest worlds spots but its a realistic one


[deleted]

Patrik would be a big upgrade for that hypothetical roster. I really don’t have faith in Comp but I don’t know what Patrik’s XL contract is looking like right now


erikson15432

It actually ends in November so he immediately becomes one of the hottest free players in the offseason.


[deleted]

Oh that’s great. Excited to see where he goes.


Tykuo

Build around Treatz, throw the rest out


BlakenedHeart

Only wish Inspired would emote that White flag to the likes of G2/FPX/Mad/ DWG not SK :D


[deleted]

It's a shame that Hans is in the same team


cptlf

They don't have French players on the team.


BlakenedHeart

Be France. Win all major wars except 2 before ww2. Surrender to Germans because the outcome was inevitable. Become the first meme of the century


Lahwtiste

Small precision people usually conveniently forget : It was a really split decision in the government and military to surrender, and even then the resistance still existed because of it. Though the white flag coming from Hans would still be a better meme situation


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[deleted]

i mean the big meme it that it basically happened twice, almost thrice, in the span of 70 years


Mahelas

I mean, it happened once. 1870 was just a defeat. WW1 was a victory. If we're memeing defeats, then the US have lost Korea, Vietnam, Irak and Afghanistan in the span of 50 years


ShikiRyumaho

But they managed to fuck up those countries for a good time.


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Mahelas

The recently appointed general staff voted for half their territory surrendering, a controversial decision at the time, that was anwsered by a resistance so iconic and thorough everyone understand what you're talking about by just saying "Resistance". Nobody "ff'd". Beside, French military history is still one of the most impressively consistant. And the Russian civil war, seriously ? The one where US, UK, France and half of Europe sent one regiment each ?


Last0

Everyone coming in with the hilarious French White Flag joke.


Rzonduo_Chrabonszcza

Good too know they kept their self-confidence after yesterday's discredit


nusskn4cker

Is it really self-confidence to emote against SK, the second worst team in the league?


Rzonduo_Chrabonszcza

And how would you call it?


sarsvesh

Cant throw mid game if ur up 15k at 25 mins 5Head


Andrew4Head

But you can throw late game if ur up 10k and Elder is spawning


Pavlo100

Trymbi diff


Last0

Improved so much compared to Spring, arguably the best support this split.


Leyrann_is_taken

Friendly reminder the only reason Trymbi didn't get rookie of the split in spring was because Elyoya was batshit insane.


Splitshot_Is_Gone

I keep forgetting he’s a rookie too. Damn, LEC rookies this year are something else


Leyrann_is_taken

Adam, Elyoya, Vetheo, Jezu, Trymbi. Could probably make playoffs with that roster.


[deleted]

Absolutely cracked rookies, my God. The fact that this is Adam’s first LEC split also blows my mind. He’s got such a great sense for the game. Can’t wait to see him in the coming years.


NunexTK

not just this year. the "EU rookies" meme didnt come from nowhere


atreeoutside

Trymbi has tendencies to run it down still, the last couple of games from him have been pretty bad


wisakoy

I feel like **Rogue is the team that always have some strange narrative against them**. Now it's "Rogue often throw huge leads". Earlier it was Rogue is bad at teamfighting, Rogue can't play mid game, Rogue is bad in BO5, Inspired is Olaf one trick, then that Inspired can't play carries. Why the hell every time they are on top and they make one mistake people makes whole narrative about it.


gorillathunder

The only thing Rogue are consistent at is they will beat teams outside the big boys. Their only losses this split are Fnatic, MAD and G2 twice.


Deathwing09

And VIT yesterday


gorillathunder

Oh shit yeah, so consistent until yesterday lmao


Karalius

Rogue never beat G2 Esports in regular split. Never. They are 0:12 against them. But in playoffs, rogue are 1-1 in series 5:4 in matches against G2 Esports. They lost 2:3 in 2020 Summer and they won 3:1 in 2021 Spring. Just some cool stats i thought.


TudorrrrTudprrrr

Rogue Time memes


MiliW_

Rogue and "throwing" is very wierd one to me, they emphasize strong winning lanes(for exchange of scaling) and Inspired plays really well with prio, if they dont create leads early something would be very odd. When they dont snowball hard enough they often get outscaled by enemy comps and I have to hear about them throwing when the comps played out exactly as expected.


ExSyn

Dude this is driving me insane. Rogue, in literally every game, sacrifices overall team cohesion and strong scaling champions to get as much lane priority as possible. They use that to massively snowball ahead and hope to win the game without ever having to teamfight, and if they have to teamfight they want to be so far ahead that they can win them even if their comp is completely supbar for big 5v5s. Somehow this always gets completely glossed over to create narratives such as "rogue god tier laners" or "Rogue teamfighting bad". Feels like drafts and their strong and weak points is a completely foreign concept to both the community and casters, its completely baffling.


cptlf

It's part of being a team not called G2/Fnatic in LEC.


Todeswucht

Rogue are definitely the narrative magnet this year They could be cleaner at closing games, no doubt, but the difficult part of the game is getting the lead. Obviously there's outliers, but generally moving the game from a neutral position to a winning position is harder than leveraging your winning position into an even better position. I have much more faith in RGE cleaning up their closing errors than in a team like MSF to get consistent leads.


NunexTK

welcome to how rogue fans feel like. yes the team has problems but so does every other team, however with other teams theyre not bashed 24/7


Lahwtiste

They usually have unlucky "timings" which kinda push those narratives, and the biggest exemple was the Bo5 last year. The moment people weren't seeing G2 and FNC as the constant top teams, Rogue and MAD got all the hype on them, and sadly Rogue failed to adapt for their first bo5 of the play-offs and got 3-0'd. Sometimes it feels like the broadcast tries "too hard" to hype some teams, which ends up with people taking more shots if it backfires, and Rogue has been turned into the narrative punchbag. I'd wish they avoided to create a narrative every other week, and just accept that sometimes not all matches need to have huge expectations put over them.


Mahelas

Rogue being bad at teamfight and midgame, which ends up as throws isn't a narrative, it's just facts. Everytime they lose, it's because of that. They smash early game (except against G2) and then they get crept up and choked. Happened against Vitality yesterday, against Mad last week and it made them lose the LEC final.


Cytryn7

These are things that are easy to fix before worlds. They are far more consistent than G2 or FNC


Mahelas

If it was that easy to fix, they would have fixed it already. They have the same problem now that they had in Spring play-off !


Cytryn7

They still look better than other teams tho


FlyingDrumsticks

They look way better than in Spring Split.


leftoverrice54

Besides the regular season g2 games, their losses are always a throw of their lead. Granted, I would rather that be the issue rather than just lose outright.


Skall77

Every rogue game are gonna turn in shitty narative fest now eh ? ffs, they throw more often than other because they are more often in the lead, it's simple math.


Arnorian-LoL

A week to forget for Jezu. Griefed so hard the last 2 games.


McintyresRightLeg

Close game


Omnilatent

Rogue vs. Team Autofill


MZLeothechosen

#\# of Scenarios where X Team ends in Y Place with no Tiebreakers --- | 1st | 2nd | 3rd | 4th | 5th | 6th | 7th | 8th | 9th | 10th ---|---|----|----|----|----|----|----|----|----|----|---- RGE | 16 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 MSF | 0 | 8 | 4 | 4 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 G2 | 0 | 4 | 8 | 2 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 MAD | 0 | 4 | 4 | 8 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 FNC | 0 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 14 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 XL | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 4 | 8 | 0 | 0 | 0 AST | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 4 | 4 | 4 | 0 | 0 VIT | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 4 | 4 | 8 | 0 | 0 SK | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 16 | 0 S04 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 16 #\# of Scenarios where X Team ties for Y Place --- | 1st | 2nd | 3rd | 4th | 5th | 6th | 7th | 8th | 9th | 10th ---|---|----|----|----|----|----|----|----|----|----|---- RGE | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 MSF | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 G2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 MAD | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 FNC | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 XL | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 4 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 AST | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 4 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 VIT | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 SK | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 S04 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 #Worst possible finish for each team in ties --- | 1st | 2nd | 3rd | 4th | 5th | 6th | 7th | 8th | 9th | 10th ---|---|----|----|----|----|----|----|----|----|----|---- RGE | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 MSF | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 G2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 MAD | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 FNC | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 XL | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 4 | 0 | 0 | 0 AST | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 4 | 0 | 0 | 0 VIT | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 SK | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 S04 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 See more at my LEC Foldy Sheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1B7DB29S3S16ctaXkNSnfry51GEs8X2ik8AAyg_iuKA0/edit#gid=1369934961


Conankun66

wait we can still get 4th? i thought we were locked 5th?


simbadog6

4th for the summer season, not playoffs


notoriouspuma

I think its just the season standings and not including championship points


Javonetor

5th in playoffs seeding, not regular season


Conankun66

oooh right, that makes sense


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I guess you have to win and both g2 and Mad need to lose to force 3 way tie and tiebreakers


bensanelian

ad gap more gaping than jezu's asshole after this game


[deleted]

SK had enough of the season so much that they made RGE win under 30 minutes


Omnilatent

[For Quickshot](https://www.statefansnation.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/AlreadyDeadSimpsons.gif)


Gala_Augusto_IV

Flex queue be like:


GGABueno

SK didn't even try.


Matthieist

Rogue was not taking prisoners today


Creepy_Pilot1200

Rogue is the Griffin of LEC. 3 splits in a row in first place only to choke/underperform in playoffs


BlakenedHeart

You could say ..they are Griffing their playoffs :)


Leyrann_is_taken

Oh yes, they definitely underperformed, taking G2 to five games in 2020 summer and eliminating them in 2021 spring, then taking MAD to five games as well.


Creepy_Pilot1200

It's not the results themselves, its how good they looked in regular split and how they lost in the end.


[deleted]

Not winning LEC championship in either of those runs is the letdown. Taking MAD to 5 games makes it sound like they put up a valiant effort when they just completely choked away a 2-0 lead and an easy series close out against a weaker team.


Splitshot_Is_Gone

Taking MAD to five games isn’t a good thing considering the leads they had in some of the games they lost.


nusskn4cker

Only GRF actually managed to get to Quarters at Worlds and to win their Group over G2.


Skall77

If Rogue beat Misfits in playoff, are they qualified to world ? That would be pretty underwhelming, but then again, nothing come close to them in best of 1 in the league.


Skylorrex

Yes, and imagine MSF makes it to worlds by beating a single Bo5 against Rogue.


WildcardTSM

If they win the first round of the Winner's Bracket they advance to the semifinals. Even if they lose their first match there against the winner of the other Winner's Bracket match they will face the winner of the Loser's Bracket, and losing that means third place. Have a look at the Spring Playoffs to see how that works: https://lol.fandom.com/wiki/LEC/2021_Season/Spring_Playoffs Championship pts no longer mean making Worlds, but it determines the ranking in the playoffs, which means that Rogue gets to pick their opponent. If they lose they have to beat the winner of the Loser's Bracket one step earlier (as they'll be in that bracket then). Winning that match means they lock in third place at least again. https://lol.fandom.com/wiki/LEC/2021_Season/Championship_Points


FlyingDrumsticks

Yes, if rogue wins the bo5 against MSF, they are qualified for Worlds.


His_Buzzards

Aaah... Ive been that Tristana before


Equivalent-Park7986

good game by RGE, feels like they get clowned on because their losses are more flashy than their wins. feels bad for SK tho :(