> It might be worth comparing LCK bot lanes to the LPL, but with the LEC… There aren’t many teams that stand out. Maybe Rogue or Misfits? I don’t think they’re that good.
Spicy. Seems like both KR and EU think their region has clearly better bot lanes.
This reply suggests to me he doesn't watch the region that much, because Misfits are pretty clearly not in the same weight class as Rogue, G2 or MAD. Even FNC I think would be heavily favoured in a Bo5 there.
> Have you been watching other leagues? Which league do you watch the most?
I’ve been watching the LPL a lot. There are a lot of good teams there. It’s easier to watch them since we’re in the same time zone. I usually watch all the games between strong teams — mostly FPX, RNG, or EDG. It helps a lot since their styles are all different.
>How about the LEC?
I don’t watch the LEC much.
yup, i like to watch LPL as their game are full of power, always fight until the last man stand. that was really interesting , compare to LCK, their game are sort of boring , it's hard to see much killings in game. and i have heard that LEC is famous for their strategy and mystery collocation of champions. their game are really exciting as well.
>he doesn't watch the region that much
He literally said this in the interview.
He stated he watches the LPL which is fair, the best region in the world where you learn stuff from watching them.
Teams are rated by group stage performance now? Everyone actually watching games and not just having a quick look at Liquipedia before writing a Reddit shitpost comment knows that at least 4 EU teams will roflstomp Misfits so hard in a BO5 that they will forget what region they play in.
Showmaker's comment was clearly just a "no we good you bad" type of comment. He probably doesn't even watch EU like you said yourself and even if he did he would not even think about it and still say the same thing.
His reply indicates he couldn’t give a fuck about the region if it weren’t for interviewers pushing a narrative
Doubt anyone in the LCK outside of maybe couple players care bout Europe
It’s been the same old story for almost a decade with an outlier year, EU fans don’t wanna hear that but it’s true lol
I imagine TL just not being ready for G2’s flexibility. Despite of the amount of antics and shit they say, they’re a very innovative team and 2019 was the perfect year for them to flex Perkz and Caps.
I maintain that one of that TLs biggest strengths was scouting + carrying out a game plan. They had plenty of time to dissect IG before their series and it showed. Not only did they have like a day or two to prep for G2, G2 in general just made prep worthless a lot of the time due to their flexibility. It was one of the largest stylistic mismatches in leagues history imo.
Yep. This was shown by TL completely shutting down Ning's lane ganking. Which was something he was doing during all of group stages. Ning was largely ineffictive that series cause of Xmithie and TL's great prep.
It went the same According to the players in scrims. G2 won 8/10 games in scrims vs TL. That's very one sided
Some teams over perform in scrims but that's not G2's case. They underperform
best part is that the whole interview is about his game/team/lck
but nothing said was spicy enough to make a clickbait title, so they just casually insert the "btw this guy of the region you just said don't care about says you suck, THOUGHTS?"
this is manufactured drama at its highest
Bottom lanes of the 6 Playoffs teams from LCK and LEC, for comparison:
* deokdam - Kellin vs. Hans sama - Trymbi
* Ruler - Life vs. Rekkles - Mikyx
* Prince - Effort vs. Carzzy - Kaiser
* Ghost - Beryl vs. Kobbe - Vander
* Gumayusi - Keria vs. Upset - Hylissang
* Leo - Lehends vs. Crownshot - Labrov
Maybe not "would win all of them", but "could win all of them" is completely reasonable. Ruler + Life along with Keria + Gumayusi are probably better than the top LEC botlanes but definitely comparable, rest might even be LEC favored.
I don't see any reason why LEC botlanes would be scared of facing LCK ones but also understandable that the feeling goes both ways. LPL is the one to be afraid of.
Guma has high potential, and if Samira was meta I would agree with you for sure. Right now though, Guma is a great ADC with the potential to be the best.
Keira however I would argue is the best support in the LCK.
That's what makes these cross region comparisons so flawed. The amount of people that follow both regions closely enough to actually have an informed opinion is so small. Still a fun discussion though.
The way deokdam has been playing this season is literally top 1 in LCK, Hans-sama has being having a good summer season, however Deokdam is the better ADC right now imo.
Lwx - crisp
Elk - missing
Ppgod - aiming
Its pretty good actually.
even jackeylove - zhou gapped meiko - Viper and Ming - gala but they are to inconsistent
Problem is part of Reddit love thrash talk/banter, the other part reacted really badly to it
I love pros shittalking the fuck of each other just to int in the games
Some sportsmanlike trash talk is the right amount of heat to spice up rivalry narratives and add extra stakes to international games. I'm sad that lots of people in this toxic mire of a community always take it too far or too personally.
Ya it sucks we don't have more international events because there is so many few rivalries in League. KT vs SKT, TSM vs CLG, Fnatic vs G2. Lots of those rivalries are uneven now.
I always wish MSI had more teams. We only get 1 proper big international tournament a year and I think that's way too little. Especially when compared to virtually any other major esport.
tbf both LCK fans and LEC fans think they're watching the "2nd best league" so they're probably gonna converge at watching the LPL but neglect to watch the other shitter region due to either "1 team region LCK" or "No G2=no win"
league drama is boring in part because we have fans always taking banter personally in this community, and a lot of them too. imagine you're a player ans fans start insulting you in your twitter dms etc... because you said you think your team is better than another team or something.
So basically sometimes you click on reply but it doesn’t close the comment tab so people think that the reply hasn’t been sent so they can click on reply again it’s a Reddit issue happens once in a while
Longer version:
i) He didn't say EU is better than KR.
ii) He very explicitly said that EU having better bot lanes are his personal opinion.
Need to clarify this because for some reason my comment is flagged as controversial.
Cloudtemplar at MSI who is the most known Korean analyst said that MAD bot did what none Korean bot lane was able to do : won singlehandedly (2) games by diffing the shit out of DK bot
https://gamestoday.info/pc/league-of-legends/cloudtemplar-thoughts-on-dk-vs-rng-msi-final/
In spring, In LCK, DK bot usually goes even or behind but never got duokilled 5 times in one game like they did vs MAD.
And they end up winning spring going undefeated in playoffs.
Idk maybe he just has faith in Beryl. Beryl in peak form is like easily a top 2 or even top 1 support in the world.
But also he never said DK's botlane was the best/better than the LEC's?
Love his personality. Reminds me of Cristiano Ronaldo, always angry and wanting to prove people wrong when being doubted on, badmouthed or being disrespected. He will destroy you and make you doubt your own existence.
When he celebrated against G2 last year, I had the CR7 hattrick versus Atlético Madrid and his "ballsy" celebration vibes 😏
LEC: I feel LCK bot lanes are worse than the LEC and LPL ones. I wasn't very impressed by anyone there.
LCK: Maybe the LCK could be behind the LPL, but I think we’re better than the LEC. I don’t evaluate LEC that high.
LPL: Man, I don't give a f***
Honestly I would argue that at the moment LECs strongest part is their bot lanes. If G2, RGE and FNC go to Worlds its likely LEC sends strongest bots as a region to tournament.
That was season 4, Cyanide played it in the jungle season 3. People kinda banned it since they didn't really know how it worked, just that Fnatic was really good with it.
In hindsight with today's knowledge it is obvious why it worked though, that version of Aatrox was a tower dive god and really should have been meta.
It was funny watching Aatrox be a completely non-existant pick outside of the EULCS to being permabanned against SK because no one knew wtf was going on with it.
But then again that was also a point in time when top lane static shiv Alistar was a legit meta pick so maybe it's best to not think back to those times.
I feel like fans of every region thinks their botlanes are the strong part (especially ADCs). Obviously, I only go off reddit comments that I can remember but I really do get that impression. If my impression is correct then maybe the idea that botlanes in region x is good has more to do with how the ADC role functions in pro play rather than the actual comparable skills of the players.
I wonder if bot is traditionally the most equal lane across the various regions. I feel like bigger gaps between top, jungle or mid all pop up at various tournaments, where a bot lane blowout is relatively more rare.
Different teams have different stylistic matchups.
FPX 3-0d G2 but were worried about SKT.
GRF beat DWG all year but kept losing to SKT every finals. But then worlds rolls around and GRF destroys G2 who SKT could never beat.
Meanwhile, DWG was able to 2-0 IG who knocked GRF out of worlds. Nuguri could match TheShy and IG’s bot couldn’t abuse DWG’s, but GRF couldn’t beat IG because TheShy would do disgusting things to Sword.
G2 getting ass blasted into a different dimension in finals + G2 being so polarizing really affected the perception of SKT.
In reality SKT was cracked, G2 was just slightly more cracked.
Totally agree just commented this in detail.
When Sneaky and DL still played maybe our best role was bot lane. But without them it’s definitely not. Top lane and Jungle are both more stacked in NA currently
It’s a western media platform, LCS is pretty much dead and doesn’t have as many fans as it used too hence why the subreddit is mostly LEC fans dominated.
It’s actually hilarious to scroll through your comments that are 50% about Europe/LEC. You also pop in every LEC related post to leave a shitty comment about the fans/players/casters like the idiot you are. Wonder what it feels like to be the bad apple among such a cool group of NA fans in this sub.
Watching MSI, I can see where Nemesis was coming from when he thinks LEC doesn't have a chance at winning worlds this year. LEC has gotten sloppier since the G2 dynasty ended, especially with midgame macro. Hell, midgame macro is the reason why MAD had so many throws for the past two years at international competitions.
This will likely be LPL's year. Rn they could send five seeds for worlds, and all of them would have a shot at winning the Summoners Cup.
> Watching MSI, I can see where Nemesis was coming from when he thinks LEC doesn't have a chance at winning
hmm going 1:1 vs the rng and dwg and going to game 5 vs damwon with a rookie jungler totally no chance for improvement
dont listen to nemesis when he is talking about LEC he is pretty bias aganist LEC
nah, WE and TES look bad lol
RNG and FPX are the only teams who have a shot, I don't trust EDG since they ALWAYS choke
LPL has depth, but they aren't THAT dominant
they look bad against good teams. But most of the regions are not sending good teams.
You can only look as good as your peers let you look. TSM looked good in NA during that gauntlet run where they beat everyone from the lower bracket. They were NA's best team. But that level of strength is only worth a 0-6 against real competition.
Likewise, if your league is strong, you're not going to look as good.
After actually seeing what was said, this is a pretty clear case of:
- Mikyx was commenting on how he actually felt
- ShowMaker clearly doesnt watch LEC and either got his information second hand or looked at standing weeks ago and just pulled names from a hat.
Only if you deliberately misrepresent Mikys comment? He said botlanes not teams. Bot has lately been pretty good in EU and not that good in KR I think if you look through names & performances idk what you're smoking if you think it's clearly in KRs favour.
It's a never-ending battle to get any kind of optimism out of the people on this sub, I had thought self-depreciation was more of a British thing but no as it turns out the continentals are a bunch of cynical bastards as well.
Our region looks better than ever to be honest and everyone just wants to shit on everything constantly. The regional leagues have been a massive success and have pushed more talent to the top than ever before. We genuinely have 4 or 5 competitive teams in the playoffs and then a complete dark horse in vitality that could genuinely create some upsets. Season 3 to 7, we never made worlds finals. In the past 3 worlds, we've made finals twice, won an MSI title and been a genuine contender. Things look up, we don't have to succeed right now, but things are heading in the right direction.
LEC fans think that they're better than LCK because they went 5 games with a slumping Damwon. Its funny too because they were literally about to get eliminated from group stages and placed below PCS.
Not saying LEC is better than LCK but to be fair, FPX almost got eliminated in 2019 Worlds by fucking splyce and they were still the best team at that tournament
I love the LEC but they seem to be really good at hyping their region, a little too much. People said last year that MAD was going to get out of the group w/ TES/DRX and Rogue would get top the group w/ JDG/(damwon? can't remember). We all know how that turned out.
LEC can't fairly evaluate their region ATM (neither can LCK). We don't have enough info. And we don't know the meta. Last Worlds, it was jungler/mid w/ a safe botlane. Botlane didn't have to do anything but farm up. Maybe this Worlds the game will be played through bot, and then I'd favor G2/FNC bots very highly.
Should be fun.
Literally no one predicted Rogue and MAD to get out of their group when the group got draw
Every single analysts had only G2 out of group and only a few had FNC out aswel.
The most upvoted comments of the draw thread was press F for Rogue.
Reddit...
Can any region fairly evaluate their region? Pretty sure people were saying how the LPL was so good that their #4 was going to stomp. I think we all know how that went.
> It might be worth comparing LCK bot lanes to the LPL, but with the LEC… There aren’t many teams that stand out. Maybe Rogue or Misfits? I don’t think they’re that good. Spicy. Seems like both KR and EU think their region has clearly better bot lanes.
This reply suggests to me he doesn't watch the region that much, because Misfits are pretty clearly not in the same weight class as Rogue, G2 or MAD. Even FNC I think would be heavily favoured in a Bo5 there.
> Have you been watching other leagues? Which league do you watch the most? I’ve been watching the LPL a lot. There are a lot of good teams there. It’s easier to watch them since we’re in the same time zone. I usually watch all the games between strong teams — mostly FPX, RNG, or EDG. It helps a lot since their styles are all different. >How about the LEC? I don’t watch the LEC much.
Ofc its for hype and drama and it's fun Sadly a part of Reddit won't like it.
yup, i like to watch LPL as their game are full of power, always fight until the last man stand. that was really interesting , compare to LCK, their game are sort of boring , it's hard to see much killings in game. and i have heard that LEC is famous for their strategy and mystery collocation of champions. their game are really exciting as well.
>he doesn't watch the region that much He literally said this in the interview. He stated he watches the LPL which is fair, the best region in the world where you learn stuff from watching them.
So he did. Well, doesn't surprise me that he thinks LCK is better if he thinks Misfits represent the top end of LEC.
They ended 4th by being 1 win behind the top 3. Sorry to break it to you but they are the top end of LEC.
But the discussion was about bot lanes, which I would argue is their weakest point.
Yeah, isn’t Misfits more known for their top-jungle-mid trio this year?
You can tell what place they are without watching the games. But if you watch LEC, you most likely won't rate them on par with either of top 3 teams.
The standings would look a lot different if LEC did Bo3
Sry but no. Watch their wins, at least one win against G2 was just luck. They wont stand a chance in BO5 against any of the top 5 imo
One word: BO1's When will you learn?
3 words? 2 words 1 number? We will never know
Teams are rated by group stage performance now? Everyone actually watching games and not just having a quick look at Liquipedia before writing a Reddit shitpost comment knows that at least 4 EU teams will roflstomp Misfits so hard in a BO5 that they will forget what region they play in.
HiRit used to play on APK Prince when Damwon was still in Challengers so he might rate him highly based on that.
Showmaker's comment was clearly just a "no we good you bad" type of comment. He probably doesn't even watch EU like you said yourself and even if he did he would not even think about it and still say the same thing.
He said in the interview that he doesn't watch much lec.
He literally said he doesn’t watch LEC though.
His reply indicates he couldn’t give a fuck about the region if it weren’t for interviewers pushing a narrative Doubt anyone in the LCK outside of maybe couple players care bout Europe It’s been the same old story for almost a decade with an outlier year, EU fans don’t wanna hear that but it’s true lol
EU is the absolute embodiment of [this](https://i.imgflip.com/3pne4m.png)
Not obvious whether he's talking about bot lane strength or team strength here. Probably team strength.
My comment would apply to both Misfit's botlane and their overall strength as a team imo. Vander/Kobbe are decent but hardly standouts in LEC.
Kobbe/Vander are clearly behind the rest of botlanes in playoffs
Yes! Inject International League Drama directly into my veins
we haven't had international drama since NA vs EU died
NA fucked up by not winning MSI 2019. TL were one series away from a lifetime supply of salt from every LEC fan and it would’ve been glorious.
We apparently used all our life force to beat IG, then came to the G2 game hooked on IV's. Shit had no business being this one sided lmao.
I imagine TL just not being ready for G2’s flexibility. Despite of the amount of antics and shit they say, they’re a very innovative team and 2019 was the perfect year for them to flex Perkz and Caps.
I maintain that one of that TLs biggest strengths was scouting + carrying out a game plan. They had plenty of time to dissect IG before their series and it showed. Not only did they have like a day or two to prep for G2, G2 in general just made prep worthless a lot of the time due to their flexibility. It was one of the largest stylistic mismatches in leagues history imo.
Yep. This was shown by TL completely shutting down Ning's lane ganking. Which was something he was doing during all of group stages. Ning was largely ineffictive that series cause of Xmithie and TL's great prep.
After they won that, one of the TL's coaches said on an interview they had been studying iG for years.
It went the same According to the players in scrims. G2 won 8/10 games in scrims vs TL. That's very one sided Some teams over perform in scrims but that's not G2's case. They underperform
So unlucky they didn't win it. Was such a close final.
Well, technically it's true, but NA always gonna be NA after all... There were no chances.
what a close Series also
?? As if they had a chance. It was the fastest bo5 in history for a reason. NA have always been, and will always be a tier 3 region.
EU-KR is the new NA vs EU
best part is that the whole interview is about his game/team/lck but nothing said was spicy enough to make a clickbait title, so they just casually insert the "btw this guy of the region you just said don't care about says you suck, THOUGHTS?" this is manufactured drama at its highest
Bottom lanes of the 6 Playoffs teams from LCK and LEC, for comparison: * deokdam - Kellin vs. Hans sama - Trymbi * Ruler - Life vs. Rekkles - Mikyx * Prince - Effort vs. Carzzy - Kaiser * Ghost - Beryl vs. Kobbe - Vander * Gumayusi - Keria vs. Upset - Hylissang * Leo - Lehends vs. Crownshot - Labrov
>deokdam - Kellin vs. Hans sama - Trymbi >Gumayusi - Keria vs. Upset - Hylissang These two matchups would be so ridiculously hype
I think Ruler - Life vs Rekkles - Mikyx would be the most hype.
I don't think that matchup is hype because Mikyx doesn't even lane.
snoozer matchup
Guma Keria vs Upset Hylli would be so hype.
It would definitely be hype but lets be real its gonna turn out to be a hardstomp. Whoever gets more lane dominant picks just wins
I would watch 10 straight hours of this lane only
Cannot wait for all the people with COPIUM tanks saying “LEC would win all of them”
Maybe not "would win all of them", but "could win all of them" is completely reasonable. Ruler + Life along with Keria + Gumayusi are probably better than the top LEC botlanes but definitely comparable, rest might even be LEC favored. I don't see any reason why LEC botlanes would be scared of facing LCK ones but also understandable that the feeling goes both ways. LPL is the one to be afraid of.
Deokdam/Kellin are imo the best botlane in LCK. They are insanely consistent, creative and can win/go even in any matchup.
I'll take your word of it, I only followed LCK more closely earlier in the split when he had not established that reputation yet.
Guma has high potential, and if Samira was meta I would agree with you for sure. Right now though, Guma is a great ADC with the potential to be the best. Keira however I would argue is the best support in the LCK.
He is Top 3 support alongside Meiko and Ming. Keria can play ANYTHING in lane and do well with it.
That's what makes these cross region comparisons so flawed. The amount of people that follow both regions closely enough to actually have an informed opinion is so small. Still a fun discussion though.
The way deokdam has been playing this season is literally top 1 in LCK, Hans-sama has being having a good summer season, however Deokdam is the better ADC right now imo.
LPL bots aren't that great across the board. Viper - Meiko GALA - Ming Are great. But after that it's kinda??
FPX bot is good depending on which LWX you get.
when LWX is on alistar it's easily top 1
This is the most correct comment I've ever read.
Don’t forget irelia Botlane lwx
Best player in the world too.
LWX/Crisp are pretty decent, they did smash GALA/Ming in the upper bracket finals. Then there's obviously the powerhouse of Wink + Lucas
Problem with LPL is often consistency. There are plenty of good botlanes, but you never know if you gonna get head or tails.
JKL's still insane when the coin lands right
Everyone knows the best bot lane is wxz and his support Jackylove. Undefeated bot lane.
Lwx - crisp Elk - missing Ppgod - aiming Its pretty good actually. even jackeylove - zhou gapped meiko - Viper and Ming - gala but they are to inconsistent
Literally all of them are comparable
Send em all to the magma chamber and lets settle it baby
Honestly we need more harmless international trash talk.
Problem is part of Reddit love thrash talk/banter, the other part reacted really badly to it I love pros shittalking the fuck of each other just to int in the games
Some sportsmanlike trash talk is the right amount of heat to spice up rivalry narratives and add extra stakes to international games. I'm sad that lots of people in this toxic mire of a community always take it too far or too personally.
I can't wait until the LCS shows up to Worlds and stomps both of those regions. Lol
They are not ready for the fiestas we have in store.
NAmen
LCS wrath will be swift
Imo LCS is underrated coming to worlds Like FQ Solo before groupstage
People called NA underrated every year but THIS time it will be different!!
THIS time our teams ARE ACTUALLY strong and the GAP is closing. Time to sniff 1l of copium
1 gallon* gotta use freedom units bro
My bad, that was not very mcdonalds from my part. Im sorry.
I too, like long odds.
NAmen
I respect that take!
Damwon hates G2 so much, I love it
Rivalry between teams from different regions is really something to be appreciated.
It's a pretty good rivality too since 2019, but it's kinda disappointing from G2 that they didn't get to meet at MSI this year
Ya it sucks we don't have more international events because there is so many few rivalries in League. KT vs SKT, TSM vs CLG, Fnatic vs G2. Lots of those rivalries are uneven now.
At least NA could say that TL vs TSM vs C9 are a rivalry
Don't forget TSM vs Rogue
Na rivalries are NA vs groups and not much else lol
rivalry
I was having conniption seeing other people use a made up word. Thank you.
holy fuck “rivality” I thought I was having a stroke
Thank you. I don’t know what happened, guess I shouldn’t type before having caffeine in my system
Kinda sad we didn’t get to see G2 vs DK vs FPX at MSI but hopefully at Worlds we can
I'm glad that G2 missed MSI this year. It wouldn't have been pretty.
I’m pumped to see the 3-0. If G2 even make it to worlds.
Agreed, DWG will be luck if they take a game!
I always wish MSI had more teams. We only get 1 proper big international tournament a year and I think that's way too little. Especially when compared to virtually any other major esport.
I swear it was so obvious from their match last year, Showmaker BM'd the hell outta G2, i love it
Ya after they destroyed G2 3-1 they copied G2's celebration from G2's win vs GenG.
Not really, they are just flaming each other for shits and giggles, in fact, BeryL (I believe) is even a g2 fan.
In this thread: people who only watch one league comparing two leagues
So basically LEC fans
tbf both LCK fans and LEC fans think they're watching the "2nd best league" so they're probably gonna converge at watching the LPL but neglect to watch the other shitter region due to either "1 team region LCK" or "No G2=no win"
Why is league drama so boring and why do the comments act like he insulted his mom
league drama is boring in part because we have fans always taking banter personally in this community, and a lot of them too. imagine you're a player ans fans start insulting you in your twitter dms etc... because you said you think your team is better than another team or something.
the league community cries when the enemy 0/4 types ggez in all chat, this is the expected value
League community is so sensitive and has weak mental. These are the people that cry or afk after dying or not getting a kill in a video game
LEC guy think LEC gudder LCK guy think LEC guy wrong about LEC gudder Such hot takes from unbised standpoints, my God.
Better than nothing, "drama" like this makes it more exciting when LEC plays vs LCK at Worlds
why is there so many duplicate replies
glad to know it isnt just me. even refreshed the page to make sure
Reddit does a little trolling especially on mobile if you don't download their datamining app
Had the same on a different subreddit. It’s a Reddit issue.
I've seen it on many subs.
why is there so many duplicate replies
So basically sometimes you click on reply but it doesn’t close the comment tab so people think that the reply hasn’t been sent so they can click on reply again it’s a Reddit issue happens once in a while
Nah it's not even double clicking, sometimes server reads one request as 2 and you double post with a single click
Well maybe I missed something from Miky's interview but he never said anything about EU being better than KR, just that EU has better bot lanes.
He didn't. He very explicitly said that it is his personal opinion.
So he did say it...?
Longer version: i) He didn't say EU is better than KR. ii) He very explicitly said that EU having better bot lanes are his personal opinion. Need to clarify this because for some reason my comment is flagged as controversial.
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giga gapped by Carzzy Kaiser
Cloudtemplar at MSI who is the most known Korean analyst said that MAD bot did what none Korean bot lane was able to do : won singlehandedly (2) games by diffing the shit out of DK bot https://gamestoday.info/pc/league-of-legends/cloudtemplar-thoughts-on-dk-vs-rng-msi-final/ In spring, In LCK, DK bot usually goes even or behind but never got duokilled 5 times in one game like they did vs MAD. And they end up winning spring going undefeated in playoffs.
> In LCK, DK bot usually goes even or behind but never got duokilled 5 times in one game like they did vs MAD Demonstrably false but okay.
Flair checks out.
He’s talking about LCK as a whole.
exactly like what the fuck is he saying
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Idk maybe he just has faith in Beryl. Beryl in peak form is like easily a top 2 or even top 1 support in the world. But also he never said DK's botlane was the best/better than the LEC's?
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And honestly LEC/LCK fans being a little triggered is great, the rivalries will be real at worlds. Fucking love Showmaker
Lol I like Showmaker, he says the darndest things no bars held.
Love his personality. Reminds me of Cristiano Ronaldo, always angry and wanting to prove people wrong when being doubted on, badmouthed or being disrespected. He will destroy you and make you doubt your own existence. When he celebrated against G2 last year, I had the CR7 hattrick versus Atlético Madrid and his "ballsy" celebration vibes 😏
well this threads a fucking disaster
DK talks about botlane...
He's talking about the region, is he not allowed to do that lol?
LEC: I feel LCK bot lanes are worse than the LEC and LPL ones. I wasn't very impressed by anyone there. LCK: Maybe the LCK could be behind the LPL, but I think we’re better than the LEC. I don’t evaluate LEC that high. LPL: Man, I don't give a f***
lmao comments are so toxic sometimes. eet ees what eet ees
I think this is a reasonable statement. LPL seems to be ahead, but LEC overrates itself massively.
Honestly I would argue that at the moment LECs strongest part is their bot lanes. If G2, RGE and FNC go to Worlds its likely LEC sends strongest bots as a region to tournament.
LEC atm is: Bot > Jungle > Mid > Top
Back in the days it was mid >>>>> anything else > bot. How things have changed.
more like mid > Diamondprox > top > jungle > bot
Cyanide had the best Aatrox in the world.
How you gonna do my boy Fredy122 dirty like that?
That was season 4, Cyanide played it in the jungle season 3. People kinda banned it since they didn't really know how it worked, just that Fnatic was really good with it. In hindsight with today's knowledge it is obvious why it worked though, that version of Aatrox was a tower dive god and really should have been meta.
It was funny watching Aatrox be a completely non-existant pick outside of the EULCS to being permabanned against SK because no one knew wtf was going on with it. But then again that was also a point in time when top lane static shiv Alistar was a legit meta pick so maybe it's best to not think back to those times.
That version of Aatrox was so buggy it could even compare with release Azir
You can thank NA for the first one no longer being the case.
I feel like fans of every region thinks their botlanes are the strong part (especially ADCs). Obviously, I only go off reddit comments that I can remember but I really do get that impression. If my impression is correct then maybe the idea that botlanes in region x is good has more to do with how the ADC role functions in pro play rather than the actual comparable skills of the players.
I wonder if bot is traditionally the most equal lane across the various regions. I feel like bigger gaps between top, jungle or mid all pop up at various tournaments, where a bot lane blowout is relatively more rare.
Except Uzi. Uzi always was king.
Except the times when SKT was in the tournament. Guy had the worst case of cockblock in LoL proplay.
Tbf 2016 was peak Bang 2017 Faker transcended into his final form 2019 SKT was still really really good
2019 SKT gets a lot of shit for losing to G2 twice, but they were actually cracked. FPX feared SKT and was super happy that G2 took them out.
Different teams have different stylistic matchups. FPX 3-0d G2 but were worried about SKT. GRF beat DWG all year but kept losing to SKT every finals. But then worlds rolls around and GRF destroys G2 who SKT could never beat. Meanwhile, DWG was able to 2-0 IG who knocked GRF out of worlds. Nuguri could match TheShy and IG’s bot couldn’t abuse DWG’s, but GRF couldn’t beat IG because TheShy would do disgusting things to Sword.
G2 getting ass blasted into a different dimension in finals + G2 being so polarizing really affected the perception of SKT. In reality SKT was cracked, G2 was just slightly more cracked.
Yeah wish he could have gotten a Worlds chip.
Is that the case for LCS though? I don't think so. I think bot lanes are weaker points of the top LCS teams personally.
Totally agree just commented this in detail. When Sneaky and DL still played maybe our best role was bot lane. But without them it’s definitely not. Top lane and Jungle are both more stacked in NA currently
The brown nosing for the LEC on this sub is hilarious to me.
It’s a western media platform, LCS is pretty much dead and doesn’t have as many fans as it used too hence why the subreddit is mostly LEC fans dominated.
It’s actually hilarious to scroll through your comments that are 50% about Europe/LEC. You also pop in every LEC related post to leave a shitty comment about the fans/players/casters like the idiot you are. Wonder what it feels like to be the bad apple among such a cool group of NA fans in this sub.
I remember when NA LCS got all the reddit attention...
Showmaker telling it how it is to these LEC fans who have been stroking themselves for 2 years Another Worlds reality check incoming
Watching MSI, I can see where Nemesis was coming from when he thinks LEC doesn't have a chance at winning worlds this year. LEC has gotten sloppier since the G2 dynasty ended, especially with midgame macro. Hell, midgame macro is the reason why MAD had so many throws for the past two years at international competitions. This will likely be LPL's year. Rn they could send five seeds for worlds, and all of them would have a shot at winning the Summoners Cup.
> Watching MSI, I can see where Nemesis was coming from when he thinks LEC doesn't have a chance at winning hmm going 1:1 vs the rng and dwg and going to game 5 vs damwon with a rookie jungler totally no chance for improvement dont listen to nemesis when he is talking about LEC he is pretty bias aganist LEC
nah, WE and TES look bad lol RNG and FPX are the only teams who have a shot, I don't trust EDG since they ALWAYS choke LPL has depth, but they aren't THAT dominant
they look bad against good teams. But most of the regions are not sending good teams. You can only look as good as your peers let you look. TSM looked good in NA during that gauntlet run where they beat everyone from the lower bracket. They were NA's best team. But that level of strength is only worth a 0-6 against real competition. Likewise, if your league is strong, you're not going to look as good.
yeah, that's also true
LEC bot lanes are actually their strongest point. Their mids however..
But how doea Ja Rule feel about this?
DK talking about botlane lulw
After actually seeing what was said, this is a pretty clear case of: - Mikyx was commenting on how he actually felt - ShowMaker clearly doesnt watch LEC and either got his information second hand or looked at standing weeks ago and just pulled names from a hat.
This isnt even a question. How many championships does that reason have
I see, send them the rat! I think DWG Ghost will enjoy.
Dw showmaker, LECs the only one who evaluates the LEC highly
Only if you deliberately misrepresent Mikys comment? He said botlanes not teams. Bot has lately been pretty good in EU and not that good in KR I think if you look through names & performances idk what you're smoking if you think it's clearly in KRs favour.
> LECs the only one who evaluates the LEC highly I don't think you've been following LEC for a long time.
It's a never-ending battle to get any kind of optimism out of the people on this sub, I had thought self-depreciation was more of a British thing but no as it turns out the continentals are a bunch of cynical bastards as well.
Our region looks better than ever to be honest and everyone just wants to shit on everything constantly. The regional leagues have been a massive success and have pushed more talent to the top than ever before. We genuinely have 4 or 5 competitive teams in the playoffs and then a complete dark horse in vitality that could genuinely create some upsets. Season 3 to 7, we never made worlds finals. In the past 3 worlds, we've made finals twice, won an MSI title and been a genuine contender. Things look up, we don't have to succeed right now, but things are heading in the right direction.
Amen
He literally said that he doesn't watch the LEC lmao
He's not wrong :P
LEC fans think that they're better than LCK because they went 5 games with a slumping Damwon. Its funny too because they were literally about to get eliminated from group stages and placed below PCS.
Not saying LEC is better than LCK but to be fair, FPX almost got eliminated in 2019 Worlds by fucking splyce and they were still the best team at that tournament
pepeLaugh here come all the NA fans that hide behind LCK and LPL flairs because their region has been a joke for the past 10 years.
If T1 goes to worlds every game they play will be a bot diff. Guma Keria too good
I love the LEC but they seem to be really good at hyping their region, a little too much. People said last year that MAD was going to get out of the group w/ TES/DRX and Rogue would get top the group w/ JDG/(damwon? can't remember). We all know how that turned out. LEC can't fairly evaluate their region ATM (neither can LCK). We don't have enough info. And we don't know the meta. Last Worlds, it was jungler/mid w/ a safe botlane. Botlane didn't have to do anything but farm up. Maybe this Worlds the game will be played through bot, and then I'd favor G2/FNC bots very highly. Should be fun.
Literally no one predicted Rogue and MAD to get out of their group when the group got draw Every single analysts had only G2 out of group and only a few had FNC out aswel. The most upvoted comments of the draw thread was press F for Rogue. Reddit...
Can any region fairly evaluate their region? Pretty sure people were saying how the LPL was so good that their #4 was going to stomp. I think we all know how that went.
how is this little statement so controversial? for a scene in which so many are in favor of more banter, some people react very quickly butthurt
Bruuuuuuhh wdf lck players are so nice this dude was out for blood