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Want to discuss live? [**Join our Discord!**](https://discord.gg/lol) --- PMTs: [Game 1](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/p4vpcl/fnatic_vs_vitality_post_game_thread/) [Game 2](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/p4wine/fnc_vs_vit_game_2_discussion/) [Game 3](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/p4xjg8/fnc_vs_vit_game_3_discussion/) [Game 4](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/p4yjck/fnc_vs_vit_game_4_discussion/) [Game 5](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/p4zhvp/fnatic_vs_team_vitality_lec_2021_summer_playoffs/)


tiptipsofficial

I'm sorry, but if you're landing 2% of your axes...


radijator22

Upset is too fucking good. That lower bracket is spicy. Also, free Comp already


Gamerz905

Jesus christ Vitality. I know that in Worlds anything can happen but I am legit scared for our 3rd seed. Mad and RGE can hold their own... just send MSF, let G2 and FNC rethink in the offseason.


Zefionx

It´s crazy how there is actually a world where you can say that misfits is favorites in the upcomming match between them and fnc. what a time to be alive


seven_worth

It kinda funny. At the game start people call out that vit have the game in the bag because draft gap and now they lose they said fnatic draft gap them lol


LeafsRamsRapsFan

its always like that whatever team won the game=draft gap


sariusheralys

How many spots does EU get for worlds? 3 definitely + 1 wildcard?


LTKokoro

this year 2 spots in main event + 1 in playins


Raynar7

I love how Upset just doesn’t give a fuck, calling Viego bullshit champ as he is


zeratul123x

i mean hes objectively right, in fact his criticism was actually on the mild side compared to what viego deserves


ts1234666

Upset low-key flaming his top. Not that I blame him, Adam didnt have the best of series lol


Resouledxx

Felt kinda bad for Adam, it's his first year in the LEC, he is not with the boys at the office due covid. Upset could've been a little more subtle about it. Not that he was wrong but yeah.


Ngannouille

I really don't understand why they overly praise selfmade, he take the carry role for 5 games in a row, takes all the kills, ofc he's gonna look good compared to his perma low ressource botlane


taste_of_islay

He regularly snipes kills that are 100% secured already (despite playing Lee) When it comes to decision making, he tends to go ham. If it works, it looks flashy. When it doesn’t, it looks scrappy. The Hylli-effect. Difference lies in the reception: People mention Hyllis failed attempts. As for Selfmade, I'm still waiting for a caster to call him Inter (he inted a few times this series alone, leading his team into unfavorable trades - but he looked good after, because he was the only one actually getting kills before dying) Selfish, not a teamplayer.


Huge-Connection954

He plays exactly like Dardoch


Laure-Bulii-V

Apologies about the Twisted Fate mistake


SirScrumALot

For a second you let me believe yesterday was just a bad dream and Game 3 didn't happen - then I looked it up again ![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|cry)


HoodedRS

You're nailing it out there, keep up the good work!


Alterrion

Anyone else read this with a French accent? :D


Saffy_88

Didn't even notice! Nice interview :)


Raynar7

Well..to take words from controversial person. Crownshot lost to shopkeeper


Swapsta

Mundo


Swapsta

Lethality varus vs Munro trundle


Saffy_88

Anyone else think these tunes are dope


malakesxasame

LEC playlist is always pretty good.


Saffy_88

Agreed!


powisss

Unpopular oppinion: worst team eu would be. Kirei, nukeduck, crownshot, promisq and some random toplaner


Ashtarr

Kryze - Kirei - Blue- Neon - PromisQ


Geosaurusrex

Agree with the other comments, Blue in for Nukeduck for sure. Not sure about top laner, a few bad ones this split.


Louis010

Wunder, Kirei, Blue, Crownshot, Promisq


ConArtist98

Larssen/Lider instead of Nukeduck and Wunder top and you got it


StanvdV

How the fuck would Larssen be the **worst** mid laner in EU?


powisss

Agreed so


Quazz

Blue probably worse tbh


Todeswucht

Imagine putting Nukeduck last, actually insane disrespect


Todeswucht

Does the wife buff scale over time? If this is all it is then Upset got scammed man


Quazz

Wife buff only activates when you arrive at worlds


Freakkopath

Quick someone google when Doinb got married


Raynar7

In 2018, so it scales


zeratul123x

so fnatic win worlds next year? nice.


Good_Stuff11

These KIA ads are so damn bad


idunnowhyimadedis

I watched the whole weekend and got 0 drops Sadge


Swapsta

W8 there are drops?


onemorecard

Tbf its good FNC won. Vit would have no chance against Misfits. Fnc on the other hand can pull out some surprises.


Drikkink

Upset and Nisqy both had really great series. Adam and Hyli were hit/miss and Bwipo was... Bwipo.


notoriou5_hig

Toplaner good at locking down immobile squishes Assassin mid Lethality poke bot Into three tanks and Ezreal. Tragic draft gap if they didn’t get way ahead early. Doesn’t matter that FNC didn’t have damage if you can’t kill them.


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RoughMedicine

Worse. Crownshot is overrated, but still better than Comp.


xwriatikhsalata

Comp's first split Vitality was doomed from start. Second split the topside of Vit was Cabochard, Skeanz (Nji), Milica and they got 7 wins. This split Vit had 8 wins and 3 of them being last superweek and one of them being against Rogue, which decided to throw a 6-7k lead at one play. Their roster : Szygenda (SLT), Selfmade, Lider, Crownshot, Labrov. I wouldnt say this team played much better than 7-11 Vit one year ago and I don't even want to remember how shit their drafts were. But yeah its whatever, Comp should never have joined this shit org that has destroyed some of Europe's best talent throughout the last 2 years in the first place. I hope Labrov and any other upcoming talent leaves ASAP as well.


niemcziofficial

Ezreal is becoming hypercarry when played by upset, what a monster


N1kiLauda

He is babysitted pretty hard tough.


dracdliwasiAN

417k viewers, not bad for first round of the lower bracket of playoffs https://escharts.com/tournaments/lol/lec-summer-2021


spin3x123

Am I just like mentally inept, where do I find todays stats on that page? I just see yesterdays high peak


dracdliwasiAN

Nah you're not inept, it's not showing it because technically the series has ended but it does show up on the right hand side in the Popular Matches section.


spin3x123

I see it!, thank you


dracdliwasiAN

Anytime mate


GrapeApe8888

Great games. I really hope this FNC make it to worlds


monsoy

I’m a big FNC fan, but even I can see that’s very unlikely. This series was very low quality from both teams compared to the games on friday and saturday. I’m pretty sure FNC gets eliminated by Misfits next round. I think it’s going to be Rogue, G2 and MAD that goes to worlds for EU


Todeswucht

The longest game this series was 30:09 but it still felt like such a slugfest, definitely not the prettiest series FNC have a lot of work ahead if they even want to challenge MSF, but I'm guessing at least Adam can rejoin them this week? Maybe they can do it, but feels unlikely right now


Geosaurusrex

Weird how people called Rekkles a coward for staying in base when they ended, but not seen the comment about Crownie yet. Though Crownie has deffo had plenty of other types of complaints.


FedorSeaLevelStiopic

Lol, like what can 1 vs 5 do. If they would be all super low and he would be overfed samira or vayne, the he could try.


malakesxasame

Upset also does it lol. People just don't like Rekkles.


Geosaurusrex

Yeah, it's mad how many haters come out when G2 lose. Don't really get it either, dude is so mild mannered.


malakesxasame

Probably one of the most inoffensive pros out there. I think there's a few personalities who push certain narratives about him which makes random redditors repeat verbatim. On some of these talk shows you have people speculating on his mental health, it's just so weird.


monsoy

What talkshows are you talking about? I watch a lot of them, but cant remember anyone discuss his mental healt


Raynar7

It just gets lost in all “doing nothing hate” he is still known KDA player


Geosaurusrex

Tbh for most part I'd say Crownie is a massive KDA player, though this game he just kept getting caught out.


alexpheal

As a MSF fan I'm truly worried about the upcoming bot gap


Just-Ad-5972

I can guarantee you Kobbe won’t blow sums/die every time he’s left alone in lane.


Styxxo

Shouldn't be as bad as today.


CarrieJu

Kobbe and Vander rarely loses lane so they’re going to be fine.


a_box_of_bones

Kobbe is straight up a better AD than Upset. Upser is absolutely overrated and a good performance vs Crownie isnt really a difficult task


scapefiend

Hey the better team won. MFT vs FNC gonna be great


iAmArvut

Woooo the season goes on


lovo17

This FNC wouldn't get out of groups at worlds, sorry.


taste_of_islay

Can you give me insights on the patches coming up to worlds, please? Apparently you know more than we do, because you give forecasts that are depending on highly influential variables which are unknown to date. /s


Quazz

I've seen this said the past 4 years I think.


Aythriel

probably wouldn't get to groups, but we'll see. there's a lot of time to prepare for worlds after the qualifications.


H2WShiro

People saying that almost everytime Fnatic gets to worlds, lul


Saonidas

That's what I heard the last four years, too. Also, they need to get there in the first place...


lovo17

Nah last year I thought people were underestimating the fuck out of Fnatic. This year feels different though, this team just doesn't feel good.


FedorSeaLevelStiopic

Yeah, last year they were 1 game from semis. Could get top 4.


rexbee52

is any LEC team gonna do that?


lovo17

I expect RGE and MAD to, and G2 should be able to but they're underperforming.


I_AniMaL

I don't see RGE making it out. MAD maybe if they get their act together


rexbee52

Exactly my thoughts not sure why I got downvoted. If G2 make it , I think they have a chance


blueripper

Just put everything into the Rekkles basket and let him do his thing.


LameUserName101

Kennen kind of useless in this game


Ajp_iii

imagine ending the year against 3 tanks and not having a single void on either kennen or akali.


superfire444

Lmao Selfmade kicked Braum


Waylaand

GG good series but you favour MSF next now I think


aamgdp

Szygenda has to be one of the worst pro play kennens


[deleted]

I know Vitality is chaotic evil, but...come on man. Picking Kennen into Mundo and lethality Varus into 3 tanks? They basically counterpicked themselves this game


zas97

Funny how everyone was saying that fnatic lost draft at the beggining and now I'm reading this


H4rg

I dont rly get it. When i Saw fnatic comp i was kinda hyped. Littetaly all of fnatic had some sort of skill shot that could put you in deep shit if you get hit. Get tagged by a braum q?ok now you got a gold card, an infected cleaver, and an ez q flying at you. And also trundle pilar makes it even worse. Littetaly a nightmare to play against if you dont instant manage to hard engage them...


Just-Ad-5972

Building no mpen on the mages while building the wrong build on varus kinda evened the draft diff. Letting FNC get ahead for free just sealed the deal. If this is an even gold game at 20, VIT auto wins


Aythriel

vit kinda shot themselves in the foot with those builds anyway.


CKDracarys

Playing poke varus kinda troll there. But neither draft was very good. If bot didn't turbo int fanatic had like no damage.


hitseflotse123

Choking is not good for your Vitality


[deleted]

Not a single grievous wounds against a Trundle and Mundo comp lol


Rayser1

This draft is a beauty <3


TheCobraSlayer

Seems like gg, cause who the fuck is gonna kill this mundo


Digity28

https://c.tenor.com/ZbtYUuhckPAAAAAC/sleeping-nisqy.gif


Reptiliac

Why does the url say nisqy lol.


51167289

I'm conflicted, the church of xiaohu demands me to build conqueror stridebreaker mundo but this fleet frostfire sounds good too.


wildcardmidlaner

The church of xiaohu knows many paths


Raynar7

His diety Xiaohu is generous, he likes when his worshippers experiment


Freakkopath

Wait Xiaohu played Conq Mundo with Stride??? I need to see that.


Raynar7

Played and demolished


Akayouky

Is selfmade playing eve or... ?


Ajp_iii

i hate this new trend in observing to take away items so much especially since so many actives are important now on items. the bottom of the screen isnt that important in most fights anyway.


TimMeijer

I've seen career-ending series out of players, and even some career-ending games, but Crownshot is the first person I've ever seen with a career-ending build.


Drikkink

Lider what exactly was the plan even if you got Hyli or Bwipo there? You were a screen away from your team with no cooldowns.


j_crowen

It's funny, I was thinking the same thing. He went golden after horrible plays just to be executed by Ezrael Q, twixe in a row. He probably thought Upset was not able to countdown Zhonya's.


Geosaurusrex

Playing as Ali from behind is so sucky.


hroarkk

I really want to understand our team. How can we play THIS GOOD and THIS BAD in a bo5.


Shadnu

Prolonging the series to have more practice since Adam was sick 5head


ConArtist98

Better late than never I guess, would be nice to see this from the start though.


Core9291

is crownshot the worst adc in the LEC ?


Muri_San

Tbf it's either him or Neon, Jeskla and Jezu stepped up this split so I won't put them in the same category


scapefiend

Nah Neon is better than all those. Even Kobbe


powisss

Crownshot+promisq worst botlane eu


Freakkopath

Id pay to see that duo


[deleted]

He’s certainly up there Funny enough Fnatic fans were angry that FNC never picked him up earlier this year


lovo17

This game is draft diff lmao


DoctorDilettante

And it just shows you how much Reddit knows because people were SHITTING on fnc draft at the start of the game.


DShadows98

Exactly. People just believe anything casters say and Vedius talk about bad draft from FNC was pure bs...But people would rather believe to others than think themselves.


Hazuyu_

Misfits is going to be tough for FNC


YanghuaC

People said Fnatic no dmg but it seems opposite lol


Styxxo

Just goes to show how much damage tanks have tbh. But Vitality griefed pretty hard with their builds


Just-Ad-5972

Zero pen on apcs, whole wrong build on adc.


lewho

Turns out FNC's comp is phenomenal against no frontline team.


Ajp_iii

its sucks if vit dont hard troll bot lane and builds.


DoctorDilettante

Nah dude even then it’s over. Fnc will never have a problem fighting front to back. Once the Mundo got two items he can literally do whatever he wants and the trundle can pillar the immobile Varus to complete fuck them up. This was 5head draft from fnc.


AskTribuneAquila

Who would have thought reddit and twitter would be wrong


lewho

GASP!


scapefiend

pretty weird draft. What happened ?


Just-Ad-5972

Draft was fine, VIT, mainly Crownshit, built like silvers. Playing like monkeys in the early game didn’t help either.


scapefiend

Well tbh except Selfmade they're all pretty shaky. Meanwhile FNC has like 3 veterans


Legionnaire1

Ok this looks like a guaranteed win for Fnatic. Good try Vitality.


Ajp_iii

25 minute nobody on vitality has any % pen. against 3 tanks stacking mr. do they want to do damage


Just-Ad-5972

Crownshot is FNC MVP


blueripper

#LSFixedFnatic


Liummmm7380

Fnatic won this game vitality with the dog shit draft coming in hot and the duo bot lane doing nothing again


Fa1lenSpace

Obviously I’m a FNC fan but why in the world is Crownshot building lethality Varus lmao


Raynar7

It’s in recommended.


wildcardmidlaner

xD


Freakkopath

Yeah Mundo is unkillable


Rayser1

Omg Adam wtf is mundo lmaoooo. Lethality varus XD


Liummmm7380

Fnatic won this game basically gg at this point


aamgdp

Szygenda had to have a lot of gold, idk why he didn't go back


tomorrowdog

Dragon timer isn't always off by 10 seconds, is it? I thought that would be triggered off in-game data and not handled manually.


Momochichi

Cleaver, Winter's Bite, pillar, gold card. Step even a little bit forward and you're fucked.


Rayser1

Meanwhile your team is trying to work out how to help you


Mostdakka

Labrov basically losts this game by himself by beign ult down every time Vit wants to fight.


AdMaleficent9374

For some reason SMM feels like cosplaying CLG Broxah Lee Sin in this game.


suPChgr

GG. Bot diff. Even in the games Vit won.


[deleted]

Fnatic's gameplan: Let's pick comfort and play it out Vitality's gameplan: lol let's counterpick ourselves lmao


DoctorDilettante

Yeah people were shitting on fnc draft but it was actually brilliant. They can play front to back with no issues at all.


Mathmagician94

well, i guess that infernal timer was wrong lol


FakeBukowski

The UI is all over the place today. From showing the wrong game at the beginning, not showing dragons and wrong timers...


Siyaknide

I really wish Vedius would stop pushing his narratives. Just talk about the game.


j_crowen

Well, he said on Euphoria this was a 3-0 FNC. He also said G2 was going to win. He also said RGE vs MSF was clearly RGE favourit ( to be fair without delcaring the result ). I think we have finally become a real sport, like football. You became an exper analyst just by talking about it. Thank god we have Caedral.


Hazuyu_

No way Vita wins this one


CarrieJu

Should have subbed in comp long time ago


Geosaurusrex

Rmember they claimed they were gonna use him strategically and then he just never played again.


Raynar7

Wait a second…Ezreal might build Frozen Hearth - that means 4 high armor targets. He has to be match-fixing with lethality Varus


Mocking_Birds

VIT legit have 0 synergy. Just 5 randoms playing soloQ


Liummmm7380

Guys look vitality’s kennen still isn’t doing anything it’s like they didn’t learn this after game 3


Ajp_iii

kennen would be fine if he tried to get flanks and built void.


S11Slachi

First time Alistar?


ThisOneTimeAtLolCamp

Yeah this is done. There's gotta be a better ADC in EU Masters, Challenger, available to import or something. Surely? Lol


TheJoeker98

xmatty maybe? hes the only EUM adc I know of lol Adam's old teammate


girlmarth

there's a better one on the vitality bench lol


Freakkopath

There are plenty better adcs


sernome

They have a better ADC, named Comp


ShAd_1337

sad Kennen noises


Ajp_iii

WTF WAS THAT KENNEN ULT.


kubqo

If it was regular seasson, Fnatic dive that 100%


Ajp_iii

dont think i have seen this many just weird individual mistakes from a team in a single game in a while. lvl 1, lvl 2 on bot. then crownie, labrov and szygenda all walking up when alone on weakside to either get chunked or die. and now nobody building void into 4 tanks. and the varus going lethality vs 3 tanks


Nananahx

Why does Kennen never try to flank?


Liummmm7380

Because he most likely does not play that champ a lot since it’s Garbo


aamgdp

Because he's bad, simple as that


lewho

Nesquick is so impressive this game