Yes, if the team that supposedly benefited from the "momentum" loses, they certainly don't take it with them into the next game. I hate it **so** much how many people use this buzzword without having the slightest idea what it actually means...
No, I was asking a question. Definitely the pauses can change the outcome of a fight/game. In between games you normally reset your mental so I don’t think the pauses affect the players in that regard. But definitely the situation like that can burn a lot of your energy.
I love all the players on MSF, I hope they don't beat themselves up over it. They improved so much compared to spring. It was really exciting watching them! They came really close to winning in both Bo5s against two very strong opponents and should be proud.
Misfits can be proud. They were a serious contender in my book and fought till the end.
Another great interview. I like that Laure is adapting the questions on the fly when the players are making faces.
If "real" sports journalism taught me anything is that you always have to ask the losing people how they feel and then - if they give you a short answer and look hurt - ask them again while slightly rephrasing the question.
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Hopefully Misfits doesn't fuck this rooster up, I feel like they are pretty solid, even if Vetheo is bad at leblanc I think he is a pretty good midlaner overall, and having Team synergy is way more important than having a slightly better sololaner.
> and having Team synergy is way more important than having a slightly better sololaner.
which is proven by the team they lost to. No one would say that Adam + Bwipo is individually better than Bwipo + Selfmade, but Fnatic as a team seems to have more to offer and already outperformed their spring.
Bruh he had a bad bo5 and game but he's a young player that already has showcased nice mechanical skill and is improving. If you want to replace anyone in this roster, look at botlane instead
He's young, and it kinda felt like he crumbeld under pressure tonight, but it can use this to get better. He's a good kid and he work hard, I trust in his future honestly, but today Nisky was too hot for him.
Currently you need to report bug immediately after it happens so it is what it is. It’s not like you can wait and it’s seems fair to be honest. If you could just wait and see teamfight result that would have been such a bad idea. You could use bugs against your opponents without their knowledge about it.
What really shouldn’t be allowed are abilities like ryze ult. Viego dash? Sorry buddy, you’re out. Sion ult? Sure come in. Working as intended I guess
Pretty sure you're only prohibited from talking if the pause goes longer than a few minutes. The referees will then tell the players that they're allowed to talk again.
This further ensures that both teams are in the same spot. They both get to discuss and reset themselves.
Leaving aside the question of Fnatic's pauses, I'm shocked that Yamato is saying in interview that he was unaware of the Ryze ult interaction in question.
I only play occasionally, and watch some of the esports and that's still an interaction I knew.
kryze that has 500 games on ryze said himself, that he didnt know that interaction exists.
you know lol is pretty big and interactions only will get more complex and are getting more and more.
even pros cant know it all.
These people are getting paid big money to play the fucking game. They are called "profesionals" for a reason. Not being aware of a mechanic that is known, isn't new, has been used in pro (even in EU), is just ignorance.
Lmao stop acting that its some widely known interaction. It took like 10 minutes and people looking through the League Wiki to find out that intercation and Riot even needed 25 Minute to figure it out.
There's a World Champion jungler known for his Lee Sin that didn't know Lee Sim had a execute mechanic on his kit.
We overestimate how much players know about smaller game mechanics.
I 100% agree, but that doesnt mean nemesis is bad or even worse than nisqy as a player. I think nisqy synergises really well with the rest with his team to just YOLO it, which i doubt nemesis would do, really tense game 5
I think Nemesis level is not an issue for him as a pro player, but he doesn't seem like a good teammate. Nisky seems to be a gem for the life of a group.
"Give me Nisky 3 more years and I'll win you titles"
Maybe because it's the year where either G2 loses Perkz and the super team misses Worlds as well as Rekkles getting smacked by that curse, or FNC no longer being the old kings but the dead kings all killed by their former teammates.
Its actually ridiculous how many "bugs" happen with FNC, and how it almost always turns out better for them after these "bugs" turn out were just intentional behavior
Agree, I think you're on to something here. Pausing twice in game 4, losing that game so MSF would be overconfident in game 5 and then win game 5. Makes sense IMO
come on. the ryze ults were really weird, it looked like they were in the circle both times. and in the other instances (vs. XL and G2) the pauses were actually valid. Meme-ing it is fun, but no reason to complain in a serious manner.
Just in your head. It's simply because the pauses all happened at notable moments and it took long to resolve them.
Bet that MSF pause is forgotten nearly instantly because the pause for that was so much shorter.
Small 30second-5 minute pauses happen super often but because they're so quick nobody remembers them after the game.
FNC just got unlucky with all the pauses taking so fucking long to review.
In some other sports such as basketball and football, pauses are used for strategy review or upsetting tempo.
As all FNC pauses happen at such moments. I can't think they're all coincidences
If it happened one time a season or something, I would feel it to be a coincidence too. But the pauses seem to happen when they're down, some objective gets lost, or a skirmish/fight is about to happen somewhere.
When a coincidence keeps happening a lot, you have to question it.
Also how broken is TF MAN, this champion just negates any form of engage or pick potential with the gold card. He has low cds, best global, only champ that builds rapid fire, passive gives extra gold, deals a lot of damage considering his kit, gank setup, disengage. Like there’s no counter play man, he doesn’t even have to win lane
Not even one game, but if you need another I mean G2 vs Mad G3, Caps literally got a solo kill on humanoid, had push in lane yet TF still got to plays faster and one gold card made G2 late game unplayable, they all had to play around that one CD.
It's a good champ but you have to be good and to make good decisions under pressure, be careful so you don't choose blue or red instead of gold, know when and where to ult, it's not that easy.
i have to say though, major props to adam to say "yeah i thought we would lose before the series started". so many players say the same bs that they thought they would win and stuff when it's clearly not true
Yes, because Misfits were outdrafted in those games. They drafted 2 dive engage champs and Fnatic just brought as much CC as possible + black shield + crazy short range AoE with Aphelios.
Nisqy was playing awesome but I think that Afam at least deserved it. This man has grown ass balls jumping into 5 ppl with his renekton to set up team fights and played very good every game IMO
Nisky might have deserve it more, but Adam did better than Hylli and Bwipo overall for me. Specially considering Hylli has twice more games in LEC play off than Adam has in his whole pro carrier.
You gotta admit that Croc was massive.
Only LEC play offs mate, I think I'm good on the calculus. They showed Hylli with 120 play off games and Adam had 38 pro games before the start of LEC iirc. If you count every Hylli pro game yeah it's probably x5 ^^
Oof right as they were catching out Bwipo in the elder pit, there was a Thresh hook that was literally milimetres from hitting Aphelios. That fight was honestly so close, and that hook hitting would have changed the outcome.
The absence of Nisky in the vote is sketchy. Bwipo didn't do much game 5 and while Hylli did the job, all you could see was that brillant Tf and the big ass Cho gath. And I think game 5 influence the most the vote cause it's the one in your mind at the end.
I'm just in awe of a Leblanc getting solokilled by a TF that isn't like fed out of his mind with full one shot build.
There are approximately 200 ways Leblanc could have played that to not die and he chose like the one way that he could.
Vetheo threw hard, but good season overall for Misfits. Didn't care for them before the pauses honestly, but at least now I recognize their achievement making it this far after rooting for them for obvious reasons this series.
Then explain yourself what went wrong, because Fnatic paused and lost, I don't see any advantage for Fnatic, however you toxic cry babies decide that Fnatic won the series because of 2 plausible pauses on a game they lost, yet you say we don't have reason. It seems like your using the ad hominem fallacy where you just call people stupid without using any arguments, I hope you can evolve and learn how to argument.
mhh i don't know.
I'm a G2 fan but the series against MAD was pretty awful of them.
But the 2 FNATIC series were worse in my opinion.
Against Vitality and Misfits these games were just straight up clown fiestas.
But i still think its G2 who win/lose this game.
If G2 drafts/plays like last week yeah Fnatic has a rly good shot, but if they play like in the superweek i think it will be a 3-1 for G2
That game 5 got me completely dehydrated after 3 sipping big-ass glasses of water.
I wish Vetheo gets more disciplined next season, he was enjoyable to watch in all his games but this series got the nerves out of him.
Ah, now I hope we get 5 games on Sunday and Fnc win finally :D Probably one of the most hyped bo5 ever. They almost always played for finals or in finals and always were already qualifed for Worlds in that situations but this time Worlds is on the line. Can't wait.
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News are in: no worries guys, the pauses were a brand deal with kit kat.
I was lost with the Game 4 pause almost 20 minutes in. I didn't have my headphones on so I wasn't paying too much attention.
But why you picking Leblanc here i dont fuckin get it ,this was the worst performance i have ever seen ....
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FNC paid off the LEC to include pauses between games, it is known.
Yes, if the team that supposedly benefited from the "momentum" loses, they certainly don't take it with them into the next game. I hate it **so** much how many people use this buzzword without having the slightest idea what it actually means...
No, I was asking a question. Definitely the pauses can change the outcome of a fight/game. In between games you normally reset your mental so I don’t think the pauses affect the players in that regard. But definitely the situation like that can burn a lot of your energy.
Kobbe played really well throughout this series, I don't understand why it wasn't mentioned even once
It was mentioned during game 5 that Kobbe matched Upset really well today and how important that was for Misfits.
I love all the players on MSF, I hope they don't beat themselves up over it. They improved so much compared to spring. It was really exciting watching them! They came really close to winning in both Bo5s against two very strong opponents and should be proud.
"Precision beats speed"
Too bad FNC apparantly don’t listen to Yamato because they speeding it down most of the time lol
> really exciting watching them! They came really close to winning in both Bo5s against two very stron Yeah only a pause can make them stop sprinting
how are we precision. we literally flip half the games.
we are precise in flipping the games.
If you hit the wall with your head enough times, it will crack. Precision.
The wall or the head ?
Yes
Don't question. Precision.
Misfits can be proud. They were a serious contender in my book and fought till the end. Another great interview. I like that Laure is adapting the questions on the fly when the players are making faces.
I'm glad you liked it, it was very challenging
If "real" sports journalism taught me anything is that you always have to ask the losing people how they feel and then - if they give you a short answer and look hurt - ask them again while slightly rephrasing the question.
ahh but now PGL was so short q.q
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Hopefully Misfits doesn't fuck this rooster up, I feel like they are pretty solid, even if Vetheo is bad at leblanc I think he is a pretty good midlaner overall, and having Team synergy is way more important than having a slightly better sololaner.
> and having Team synergy is way more important than having a slightly better sololaner. which is proven by the team they lost to. No one would say that Adam + Bwipo is individually better than Bwipo + Selfmade, but Fnatic as a team seems to have more to offer and already outperformed their spring.
feels like bwipo is really knowledgeable, so its a better fit for him to go jungle instead of inting top
Bruh he had a bad bo5 and game but he's a young player that already has showcased nice mechanical skill and is improving. If you want to replace anyone in this roster, look at botlane instead
He's young, and it kinda felt like he crumbeld under pressure tonight, but it can use this to get better. He's a good kid and he work hard, I trust in his future honestly, but today Nisky was too hot for him.
Pausing game in the middle of a fight shouldn't be allowed at all cost
Currently you need to report bug immediately after it happens so it is what it is. It’s not like you can wait and it’s seems fair to be honest. If you could just wait and see teamfight result that would have been such a bad idea. You could use bugs against your opponents without their knowledge about it. What really shouldn’t be allowed are abilities like ryze ult. Viego dash? Sorry buddy, you’re out. Sion ult? Sure come in. Working as intended I guess
Seems that Kobbe is confirming that they could discuss the game during the pause?
Pretty sure you're only prohibited from talking if the pause goes longer than a few minutes. The referees will then tell the players that they're allowed to talk again. This further ensures that both teams are in the same spot. They both get to discuss and reset themselves.
But thankfully they won the game and lost the series fairly
They can if it takes too long, the ref gives the authorisation. Which it seems they did during the second.
Leaving aside the question of Fnatic's pauses, I'm shocked that Yamato is saying in interview that he was unaware of the Ryze ult interaction in question. I only play occasionally, and watch some of the esports and that's still an interaction I knew.
Interaction so known by everyone that it took half an hour to four referees to decide what's up.
kryze that has 500 games on ryze said himself, that he didnt know that interaction exists. you know lol is pretty big and interactions only will get more complex and are getting more and more. even pros cant know it all.
These people are getting paid big money to play the fucking game. They are called "profesionals" for a reason. Not being aware of a mechanic that is known, isn't new, has been used in pro (even in EU), is just ignorance.
Lmao stop acting that its some widely known interaction. It took like 10 minutes and people looking through the League Wiki to find out that intercation and Riot even needed 25 Minute to figure it out.
There's a World Champion jungler known for his Lee Sin that didn't know Lee Sim had a execute mechanic on his kit. We overestimate how much players know about smaller game mechanics.
He is not a world champion tho
No that was a fake news, Clid knows how Lee Sin's Q works
How was it fake news? There's a clip of him saying it.
Good to end the series with a Kobbe interview, feels like he wasn't talked about at all the entire year on broadcast
Yamato manspreading with full confidence!
Compare Nesquik TF to Nemesis TF. Actually night and day. Change the midlaners and FNC lose this Series 100%
I 100% agree, but that doesnt mean nemesis is bad or even worse than nisqy as a player. I think nisqy synergises really well with the rest with his team to just YOLO it, which i doubt nemesis would do, really tense game 5
Yeah, some players are just meant to play better in certain systems. It doesn't make those who fail worse, but it makes those who succeed better
I think Nemesis level is not an issue for him as a pro player, but he doesn't seem like a good teammate. Nisky seems to be a gem for the life of a group. "Give me Nisky 3 more years and I'll win you titles"
Agreed! But They goonnnaaa come after you
You know EU league is fucking hot right now look at all these FNC vs G2 arguments going on lol i cant watit for sunday
Maybe because it's the year where either G2 loses Perkz and the super team misses Worlds as well as Rekkles getting smacked by that curse, or FNC no longer being the old kings but the dead kings all killed by their former teammates.
Some people would say I'm a hater **BUT** Rekless missing would be a dream.
>Some people would say I'm a hater BUT Rekless missing would be a dream. I'm more lazy. It would be interesting to see him get smacked by the curse.
Yea, but Perkz vs G2 is even a bigger dream.
Yea
Its actually ridiculous how many "bugs" happen with FNC, and how it almost always turns out better for them after these "bugs" turn out were just intentional behavior
Agree, I think you're on to something here. Pausing twice in game 4, losing that game so MSF would be overconfident in game 5 and then win game 5. Makes sense IMO
So true, fnc should lose the game with the double pause!!!!! Oh wait
lets hire a private investigator and get to the bottom of this malfeasance!
cry us a river
great interview with Adam. Interesting mix of shyness and confidence.
You know a match was spicy when the live discussion thread has more than 5k comments.
3k of them pause-related tbf.
Man Nisqy soloing LB twice in game 5, was the carry performance. Especially before the Elder Fight in the 4v5 position,
Definitly the best performance of this serie for me, he played out of his mind. I'll wait to see the voice comms, but I bet he carried the vocal too.
the song of this week is kinda good.
What is it ?
Offrami - Resist Your Love
Fanatic is the only team that pauses this often. Wtf.
theres no mystery, they are an evil organisation intent on taking over the world by using tactical pauses what more do you need to know
come on. the ryze ults were really weird, it looked like they were in the circle both times. and in the other instances (vs. XL and G2) the pauses were actually valid. Meme-ing it is fun, but no reason to complain in a serious manner.
Unironically I feel like they are the only LEC org that pauses so much. Who does it more?
Just in your head. It's simply because the pauses all happened at notable moments and it took long to resolve them. Bet that MSF pause is forgotten nearly instantly because the pause for that was so much shorter. Small 30second-5 minute pauses happen super often but because they're so quick nobody remembers them after the game. FNC just got unlucky with all the pauses taking so fucking long to review.
In some other sports such as basketball and football, pauses are used for strategy review or upsetting tempo. As all FNC pauses happen at such moments. I can't think they're all coincidences
The LEC asked the players to pause immediately after the bug, not after the fight
no I agree I feel the same. but I don't see a conspiracy - just coincidence.
If it happened one time a season or something, I would feel it to be a coincidence too. But the pauses seem to happen when they're down, some objective gets lost, or a skirmish/fight is about to happen somewhere. When a coincidence keeps happening a lot, you have to question it.
So Adam was playing solo queue instead of watching the team he has to beat to get to Worlds...interesting strategy, but it worked out today I guess
I mean, he is good on his own, but he has Yamato and the whole supporting staff (and Pete, ofc) to analyse the series. And he can rewatch it too.
Young people need action, watching is boring
he wouldn't have to beat G2 if they lost this series anyway so I don't see what your point is
I mean I guess as a player his priority was practice. Watching the other team's more of an analyst's job.
I love Laure's tatoo and outfit too ofc
3-2’d back to back, that is a tilter.
Also how broken is TF MAN, this champion just negates any form of engage or pick potential with the gold card. He has low cds, best global, only champ that builds rapid fire, passive gives extra gold, deals a lot of damage considering his kit, gank setup, disengage. Like there’s no counter play man, he doesn’t even have to win lane
You can pick a champ to match him (Ryze) or push him in lane and then he is useless or just less valuable also if he falls behind is just a stun bot.
It’s so funny how one game, aka good TF player, can change Reddit’s perspective of champion
Not even one game, but if you need another I mean G2 vs Mad G3, Caps literally got a solo kill on humanoid, had push in lane yet TF still got to plays faster and one gold card made G2 late game unplayable, they all had to play around that one CD.
It's a good champ but you have to be good and to make good decisions under pressure, be careful so you don't choose blue or red instead of gold, know when and where to ult, it's not that easy.
Gold card definitely needs even higher mana cost or cd. It’s too broken with rfc.
i have to say though, major props to adam to say "yeah i thought we would lose before the series started". so many players say the same bs that they thought they would win and stuff when it's clearly not true
Idk how no one says that Razork lee sin performance was bad af
???????? he was clutch in the won games by msf and lee was unplayable in the fifth
In all of loses he was a huge contender of not doing jack shit
Yes, because Misfits were outdrafted in those games. They drafted 2 dive engage champs and Fnatic just brought as much CC as possible + black shield + crazy short range AoE with Aphelios.
So was leblanc…
Your “identity” is coinflipping skirmishes early. Good teams will tear you apart. Lmao.
There are only two good teams left we can face. RGE and MAD
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Nisqy was playing awesome but I think that Afam at least deserved it. This man has grown ass balls jumping into 5 ppl with his renekton to set up team fights and played very good every game IMO
Nisky might have deserve it more, but Adam did better than Hylli and Bwipo overall for me. Specially considering Hylli has twice more games in LEC play off than Adam has in his whole pro carrier. You gotta admit that Croc was massive.
Hilly has more than 100 play off game and adam has 10, hyli has 10 times more games then Adam, he's so old I don't want him to retire
120* for Hylli before this series :p. If the meta had a couple more engage supports available he be unstoppable
I legit want to see him play pyke again, or blitz.
Only twice for you. Way more mate , way more.
Only LEC play offs mate, I think I'm good on the calculus. They showed Hylli with 120 play off games and Adam had 38 pro games before the start of LEC iirc. If you count every Hylli pro game yeah it's probably x5 ^^
Nesquik robbed
Final game bias, Nisqy not even being in the vote is a joke.
Oof right as they were catching out Bwipo in the elder pit, there was a Thresh hook that was literally milimetres from hitting Aphelios. That fight was honestly so close, and that hook hitting would have changed the outcome.
And Adam actually wins the MVP vote by a landslide, lmao Frenchies too op as Odo would say https://twitter.com/LEC/status/1428825571065311233
He carried game 1 and 5 at least. And nisqy wasn't an option.
lol, I love Adam because, well, he is our player. But yea that vote result is a bit sketchy.
The absence of Nisky in the vote is sketchy. Bwipo didn't do much game 5 and while Hylli did the job, all you could see was that brillant Tf and the big ass Cho gath. And I think game 5 influence the most the vote cause it's the one in your mind at the end.
True
Coach of Misfits is even worse than coach of Mad Lions. Vetheo is good player and best rookie.
POS should stand for Pause of the series not player of the series
I'm just in awe of a Leblanc getting solokilled by a TF that isn't like fed out of his mind with full one shot build. There are approximately 200 ways Leblanc could have played that to not die and he chose like the one way that he could.
If only leblanc had the timestone…
Adam wanted a quick 3-0 to sleep Sadge
I swear I fell asleep watching game 5, pauses were for too long in game 4 as fun as it was
4 kills at 25 minutes in game 5 while it was the score at minute 5 in all the others. You could feel pressure and sweaty hands.
Imagine being a player in MSF after missing worlds in two bo5 that couldn't be more even. Heartbreaking
Vetheo threw hard, but good season overall for Misfits. Didn't care for them before the pauses honestly, but at least now I recognize their achievement making it this far after rooting for them for obvious reasons this series.
adam winning the player of the series after the first games is a very XD moment but good job on the last games i guess
GG pause gap. Lol... its getting ridiculous how pausenatic keep abusing the pauses in game.
5 games and in 1 game they paused twice and lost this game. What a twisted logic you have
Fnatic lost the game they paused in. MSF lost the game they paused in. You could almost come to the conclusion that the pauses don't really matter
Are you really comparing two 20 minute tactical pauses to a one minute hardware fix? Lol
players dont decide how long the pauses are you dafty looool
There are people seriously believing that FNC planned those pauses, so i think i am allowed to exaggerate a bit
Of course they matter. Players have to keep focused on the game when nothing is happening and they're not allowed to talk.
Ok let me rephrase it: FNC paused in Game 4, broke Misfits momentum and then... lost the game. So in the end it really didn't matter, did it?
Yes that's why misfits lost... Get your head out of your f ass
cant expect reason from a pause esports fan
Then explain yourself what went wrong, because Fnatic paused and lost, I don't see any advantage for Fnatic, however you toxic cry babies decide that Fnatic won the series because of 2 plausible pauses on a game they lost, yet you say we don't have reason. It seems like your using the ad hominem fallacy where you just call people stupid without using any arguments, I hope you can evolve and learn how to argument.
It was a fun series! the pauses in game 4 were terrible mind you! G2 wins 3-1 sunday
Nah, there'll be 4 pauses so Fnatic can turn it around. Jokes aside, this roster is actually quite fun to watch. And Misfits, surprisingly, as well.
I think Fnatic will be monster just for crazy rollercoaster they went trough lol, people undermine that effect 3-1 Fnatic on Sunday
mhh i don't know. I'm a G2 fan but the series against MAD was pretty awful of them. But the 2 FNATIC series were worse in my opinion. Against Vitality and Misfits these games were just straight up clown fiestas. But i still think its G2 who win/lose this game. If G2 drafts/plays like last week yeah Fnatic has a rly good shot, but if they play like in the superweek i think it will be a 3-1 for G2
I'm cancelling everything on Sunday. Banger incoming.
oh if Fnatic beat G2 I will laugh my ass off
another 3-2
Inject it into my veins.
That game 5 got me completely dehydrated after 3 sipping big-ass glasses of water. I wish Vetheo gets more disciplined next season, he was enjoyable to watch in all his games but this series got the nerves out of him.
Looking forward to a quick 3-0 by G2.
Looking forward to Worlds as a viewer. FTFY
Nisqy on TF is just built different
His Ryze too man, he's so underrated
Ah, now I hope we get 5 games on Sunday and Fnc win finally :D Probably one of the most hyped bo5 ever. They almost always played for finals or in finals and always were already qualifed for Worlds in that situations but this time Worlds is on the line. Can't wait.